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New concerns about ISIS recruiting in the US

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 17, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone, I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5:00 in New York City, and this is "The Five." For weeks, the Obama political team has told us that ISIS poses no threat.

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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I want everybody to understand that we have not seen any immediate intelligence about threats to the homeland from ISIL.

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: There's no evidence to indicate that ISIL, right now, is actively plotting to hit the homeland. It is important for people to understand that.

JEH JOHNSON, UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF HOMELAND AND SECURITY: We know of no credible information that ISIS was planning to attack the homeland at present.

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BOLLING: Well, the president -- reiterated that claim today.

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OBAMA: Our intelligence community, as I said last week, has not yet detected specific plots from these terrorist against American.

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BOLLING: Now is today. But don't forget, this is the president who when politically convenient says he hears about stuff on the news. Obviously, Mr. President missed a big one today.

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CATHERINE HERRIDGE, Fox NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Newly released court documents allege that this Rochester man, Mufid Elfgeeh, was a recruiter for ISIS and was actively helping Americans travel to Syria. He also faces one charge of attempting to murder military personnel.

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BOLLING: So, we bring it around. Greg, your thoughts on President Obama continues to say, they don't pose a threat here, but, boy, everyday there's another one.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, the problem with this ideology is that anybody, it doesn't -- I mean, everybody always talks about these guys are nothing, they're incompetent. But you don't have to be an army to kill a bunch of people. All you need is a dirty bomb and ISIS is pulling that -- that stuff on the web, so it's very simple for anybody to kill. And this is why -- and I think that the best -- I would say the best solution solves multiple problems and I have it. This is why a heavily armed, heavily manned border is necessary, because it's gonna solve three problems, it's gonna prevent terrorists from crossing, which also solves illegal immigration at the same time, and it creates million of jobs when we need them. We need to return to the military industrial complex because a good - - how is an EPA if you're DOA? You can't have a domestic policy without protection.

BOLLING: Dana, did you watch -- did you catch the president's speech today? I was watching and I was waiting for that passion, waiting for that moment where you all kind of go, yeah, we got your back, Mr. President. We see this, but then again he wouldn't say we're declaring war, we're gonna go beat them. He kind of said, well, we have this great counter terror idea that we're gonna -- that's out strategy.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: It's interesting also to watch the president's speech and the Secretary of State John Kerry testify today because they were both saying it will -- they're dispassionately saying it will be a multi-year effort. But I don't really -- I was curious, how is that different from when they took office in 2008? I mean, that was the case at the time as well. What is the difference now? How did ISIS grow into what it is today? That is a question I think that we have to be vigilant about talking about. I think that the president is trying to keep everybody calm. He's trying to reassure people and they're saying that they don't have any credible evidence, yet. I don't know -- you know, if there is more credible evidence, they might then raise the terror threat level, which hasn't -- the Department of Homeland Security controls, they haven't done that yet and hopefully they won't have to. But I think the president is trying to walk a line that is not inspiring the kind of rallying of a nation that he might need right now from a policy and political stand point.

BOLLING: Bob, both side yell, people polled and they say President Obama is not doing enough, they're worried about his level of concern with the terror threat. Now, you would, kind of, agree with Obama on his level of concern...

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: First of all, the idea that they have these web pages how to make a bomb going on ten years, number one. Number two, this guy wasn't trying to get people into the United States, he was trying to get them out. And what he do, he recruited two FBI guys. The FBI clearly had a line on him. This was not an ISIS threat in the United States, this was somebody who fell for the ISIS ideology. And he try to get people to go but help...

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BOLLING: I didn't mean to cut you off. And I apologize, and a lot of people get mad when I do this, but we just clear something out. This guy in Rochester that they caught wanted to kill returning service people.

BECKEL: I understand that. I understand, there's a lot of nuts out there, they get attracted to this stuff. A lot of people gone over there and join ISIS. This guy was trying to get people to go and join ISIS and kill people coming back. But the FBI had it from the beginning.

BOLLING: K.G., he says he hears about stuff on the news, but then, we -- he's not addressing this homegrown terror issue.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: No, he's not because the new face of American jihad is anybody. It could be anyone. It could be anyone that's inspired by their tactics, by their ideology that wants to bring terror here to the home front, people that are here already. That's why we have to be vigilant. And I understand what Dana is saying that the president is trying to walk a fine line and not be an alarmist. At the same time you have to show some clear understanding that you know what's going on and convey that to the American people, so that they feel safe, that you're the guy that's making the decisions base on solid information, and that you have a plan. Dismissing it is not going to help anyone.

BOLLING: I wanna -- can pull out this next video? This is gonna highlight the disconnect between the White House President Obama who reiterated his claim that there will be no combat mission for American troops in Iraq or Syria. Take a listen.

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OBAMA: The American forces that have been deployed to Iraq do not and will not have a combat mission. As your commander-in-chief, I will not commit you and the rest of our armed forces to fighting another ground war in Iraq. After a decade, of massive ground deployments, it is more effective to use our unique capabilities in support of partners on the ground so they can secure their own country's futures.

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BOLLING: Well, that was the president today. Now we're getting breaking news as we speak, right now that Vice President Joe Biden just said, they'll determine boots on the ground according to or based on how the effort goes. I'm not sure what that means. It seems like President Obama says no boots, Biden says maybe boots. But then, there steams to be a disconnect here. The politicals say no boots on the ground. Meanwhile, the people in the -- the military and the defense experts seemed to be on a completely different page. Yesterday, it was Joint Chiefs Chairman Dempsey. And today, two more Army Chief of Staff, General Ray Odierno says, ground troops will be needed against ISIS, and now listen to Former Secretary of State Bob Gates.

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BOB GATES, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: The reality is, they're not gonna be able to be successful against ISIS, strictly from the air. So, there will be boots on the ground. If there's to be any hope of success in the strategy. And I think that by continuing to repeat that, the president in effect traps himself.

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BOLLING: That was Bob Gates. I'm sorry, Bob. Hold on, one thought. I will bring it over to K.G. So, we got the president saying one thing, absolutely not, we have the vice president saying maybe, we have the general saying probably. Wow.

GUILFOYLE: The truth is you can't rule it out. Who does that if hide (ph) a battle? Anything you're going to, if you're going in for a surgery, and the surgeon gonna say, nope, we're just gonna do one thing, it depends when you open the person up and you see what she needs to deal with, and you handle it. The same way here, I mean, it's naive. Everybody knows it, anyone with any military experience, you can't just fight it from the air. If you really are serious about achieving the goal of destroying ISIS, you can't just do it in the clouds, you need support, you need air support, you need ground support, you need the ships out there to be able carry on the mission and to be able to do these strikes and, in fact, probably double them up.

BOLLING: Bob.

BECKEL: Well, we probably -- we have all the ships and the airpower we need. I think what elicited the chairman and Joint Chiefs of Staff -- and he said, this is why I think Obama is making a mistake. I would not be so absolute about this. I mean, I think what the chairman said, as of now, we do not need troops out there. Now, that could change as the situation develops, so I would not -- as gates said, I think he's right about that, the president put himself in a corner. But right now, there is absolutely no reason and no evidence that we need to put people on the ground.

BOLLING: Dana, literally, -- after we came on air. So, in the last five or so minutes, Vice President Biden says, based on how the effort goes. He literally left the door wide open. Meanwhile, his plus, our boss, the president says absolutely not. Have you ever seen a bifurcated message like this out of -- one at White House?

PERINO: I have, on gay marriage. That is what Vice President Joe Biden did about, what was it a year ago? Three years ago? When he said, we're gonna be for gay marriage, and then President Obama just followed it up (ph) about four weeks later, he involves his policy. I actually think that Biden is doing the president a favor here. Biden will take the heat from the left to say, look, of course we're going to listen to advisers, of course we're going to listen to our military, we'll see how it goes, we are nimble enough and smart enough to see how this effort goes. It's not going very -- I mean, the coalition stuff is just a farce.

So, I think that they're gonna have to set themselves up for it. The other interesting this is that, when it comes to combat boots on the ground, I mean, is president Obama -- they can't tell us that -- whether we've got people on the grouped now, we clearly have people on the ground now. It's basically an open secret. It's gonna be the definition of what does that mean? I think what President Obama is trying say, I'm not George w. Bush. OK, we get it. We don't think that you are. We just want you to do the right thing, and nobody's going to criticize you for being President Bush if you decide that you need 5,000 troops on the ground to carry out the mission that you said is the most important thing in America today.

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BECKEL: I think that figure is gonna be, probably twice that by the end of -- within four, five months. You're right, that's different than putting ground combat troops on the ground, using Special Forces, it's just doesn't make sense.

BOLLING: He was very specific about that, but I don't think -- I didn't hear that out of Vice President Biden and I certainly haven't heard that out of the general. It's a very good point. When President Obama -- a couple of weeks ago, President Obama was perceived as being too soft on the ISIS terrorists, and then Biden came out and said we're gonna drive them back to the gates of hell. Remember that? Then all of sudden, oh, OK. So, we have tough White House. Is, Greg, is this the same thing going on here today with boots on the ground?

GUTFELD: Maybe. No more boots on the ground, everybody shut up.

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GUILFOYLE: Ground forces.

GUTFELD: Why do people fear ISIS? Because everything is on the table, including the table. We are dealing with a different kind of enemy, and what strikes fear in the west is our own leadership who are too timid, too timid to do what's necessary. What thing did we -- we did the west to make sure that people knew at the beginning that ISIS was not Islamic. That was the one concern for them, because they thought that that would reduce atrocities? No. Perhaps, if we say I in ISIS stands for insensitive, perhaps, maybe the left would support the war? I don't think so.

The most urgent issue that we have to make, is we have to match ISIS for blood thirst, war and vengeance. And they get clear that we are more than willing to wipe them out. They put out a great video with some amazing propaganda. We have an industry in Hollywood, an industry in Hollywood that would rather do Funny or Die videos about a childhood obesity. They create seriously awesome propaganda like that crap to scare the hell out of these losers. That's what we should be doing, we should be matching them, and we should be destroying them and not worrying about image and politics.

BECKEL: You put your finger on it when you said losers. I think that's -- I think if there was more active military people, active military people not former military people, who were saying that they thought they did need troops on the ground, it would leak out. Right now...

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GUILFOYLE: Bob, you're not paying attention. I mean, come on

BOLLING: What did he say?

BECKELL Well, he says exactly what Biden said. We hadn't seen how it's -- right now, it's fine.

BOLLING: Yeah. But he left the door open.

PERINO: That's what Dempsey said.

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GUILFOYLE: Bob, is Dempsey doesn't count?

BECKEL: Wait a second. What Dempsey said was, let's see how this goes now?

BOLLING: Bob, but President Obama didn't say that, he said absolutely not.

BECKEL: I understand that, but the idea that they're trying to get Biden and Obama in the same line, you got two people who say two different things. It's just...

BOLLING: I'm not bore (ph) with you, brother. I think there's time before that decision's made. But as Kimberly astutely points out as well, why tell everyone, why telegraph, it's a no?

GUILFOYLE: Get it done. And you know what I hate? I hate it when we sit there and you worry about this stupid semantic gymnastic. Like, show us some leadership, how to plan, get it done. Let's hear about how...

BECKEL: How do you know they're not getting it done?

GUILFOYLE: I didn't say that they weren't. But I'm telling you that we are wasting so much time with this sentence reconstruction and nonsense that we're not on the same page. Anybody knows you have to be able -- willing to do whatever it takes to get this job done. That's what I want to hear.

BECKEL: We have Special Forces there, we've got air force bombing, we've got navy setting in...

GUILFOYLE: Contractors, yes.

BECKEL: SO, I mean, why don't we give this a chance.

BOLLING: You know who doesn't...

GUTFELD: Give war a chance.

GUILFOYLE: I'm all for that.

BOLLING: You know doesn't want boots on the ground, beside President Obama?

BECKEL: I don't know.

BOLLING: ISIS. ISIS does not want American troops on the ground.

BECKEL: I'm sure they don't. They'll get beaten without having combat troops on the ground.

BOLLING: In that video, well-made video, they point out, they say, hey, President Obama you put American troops in the fight, we will kill them. They -- that mean -- that's...

BECKEL: The same crowd that said...

GUILFOYLE: But guess what?

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GUILFOYLE: All soldiers signed up to serve this country faithfully because they know they made need to go to war, to fight for freedom. We do not have a draft. People sign up. They want to get in on it. They wanna protect their country. They love it. They aren't conflicted.

BECKEL: They do not have to go to war. They do not have to go to war, they do not want to go to war. Why in the world...

GUILFOYLE: What are you talking about? You think the military and the armed forces -- wrong.

PERINO: You don't know that there are people in the military...

BECKEL: Well, there probably are some people in the military. Yeah. But I mean...

PERINO: They would like to take the fight to the enemy so that they don't need to fight them here.

GUILFOYLE: Correct.

BECKEL: And why do you think it may not work this way?

PERINO: I didn't say it wouldn't.

BECKEL: That's my point, why are we sitting here arguing?

PERINO: Bob, you have to say that former military people -- former defense people like Gates and Odierno -- you know, Bob, you know how this works. You know that people inside DOD and in the military are telling them that so that they can get the message out. That's how this works.

BECKEL: I agree with that, I think that's right. But I still think we've got an opportunity here to use our very robust advantage we have in technology and airpower and sea power. And we do not have to put ground troops in there to die.

BOLLING: Ever?

BECKEL I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. Nobody does either.

BOLLING: But you not knowing isn't what President Obama is saying.

BECKEL: We keep coming back to this.

BOLLING: President Obama says he knows.

BECKEL: Yeah. What did I say in my opening statement? I thought he got himself too closed in on him.

GUTFELD: Bob, reflex -- it's a political minds mentality that they don't understand the military because the military is actually competent and it works, unlike almost every other part of the government which is mired and graphed and self-indulge behavior. The incompetence in the White House and congress would never pass muster in the military. We don't understand that these guys signed up for a mission, a mission for them. It's actually a holy war. It's just as much of a holy war to them as it is to those guys.

BECKEL: Dana is right, we can't probably speak for them. And do you really think these guys get up at night and want to go put their bodies on the line?

BOLLING: We got to go.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: I would agree with that.

GUTFELD: That is true.

GUILFOYLE: They want to protect this country, they love it.

BECKEL: But you guys...

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GUILFOIYLE: Yes it is.

GUTFELD: Obama...

BECKEL: So hard.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

BOLLING: Let's leave it right there. Coming up, a house committee investigating Benghazi held its first hearing today, two years after the attack that killed four Americans. Some witnesses say requests for additional security were denied. You'll hear from them when we come right back.

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GUILFOYLE: More than two years after the attack, the House Select Committee on Benghazi finally convened today, trying to figure out what went wrong. Today, witnesses testify that request on the ground for extra security were repeatedly denied. Here's Former DHS Official Todd Keil.

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REP. JIM JORDAN, R-OHIO: You come here with the fact that the guys on the ground in Benghazi repeatedly asked for additional security and were repeatedly denied.

TODD KEIL, FORMER DHS OFFICIAL: Yes, sir, from what we saw.

JORDAN: And it was worse than, wasn't it, Mr. Keil?

KEIL: Possibly, yes, sir.

JORDAN: Yeah. Because what they asked for -- they said we need more, but what they had was actually reduced, is that accurate?

KEIL: Yes.

JORDAN: If you were an agent on the ground in Benghazi at that time, Mr. Keil, would you be lobbying for more help to come to Benghazi?

KEIL: I'd probably be doing more than lobbying. I'll be extremely frustrated and try to push every button I could possibly push.

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GUILFOYLE: All right, Greg, we need your reaction.

GUTFELD: Oh, I', sorry, I was just thinking about, when Ray Maxwell said that he knew of Clinton's people who had pilfered the Benghazi memos, I wonder if anybody had checked Sandy Berger's pants. But I realized most of you wouldn't get that joke but that happens...

GUILFOYLE: I got it.

GUTFELD: You did? Benghazi will always be a tragedy for Americans and a victory for partisans. Because it was -- even if it's nothing illegal happened, the cover-up was engineered by the White House and the media to keep an unsavory story out of the press and minimize in debate until Obama had won. So, the result is from this incredible foreign policy flaw, you have the beginnings of ISIS or ISISL, or icicle, whatever you want to call it. You got a Syria, Libyan, Israel all of these problems. And the worst part is the media still thinks they won, that they were able to cover this thing up, and what you have now is a complete and utter disaster.

BECKEL: You're saying all that stuff from Benghazi?

GUTFELD: Yeah, I think so. Because Benghazi was a sign of things to come of an incredibly fearful foreign policy that was afraid to call evil what it was. They called blamed everything on a video, they couldn't blame it on radical Islam. That's what ISIL saw and said, we have these guys on the run, let's rip them apart. That's my theory. It's just a theory.

BECKEL: It's a theory.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, I'll get you to follow up on that and then bring in, you know, what the non-Fox News Channel media, how did they handle it?

PERINO: Well, what I like about the hearing is a little different than other hearings that you see where there's lot of grandstanding by the members of congress. I think that Trey Gowdy, he was the congressman who was in charge, former prosecutor is running in it a way to say, look, I'm not gonna have a bunch of speeches by you guys, can I ask a question yes or no. And I thought Jim Jordan's questioning was actually very effective. So, it was a little bit different and refreshing, the kind of congressional investigation that you would like to see more often.

GUILFOYLE: So you're encouraged by -- you feel like Gowdy...

PERINO: They're allowing them to speak, they're not speaking over them. When we pull sound, you want to pull the most interesting sound. Sometimes that is a member of congress making a fool of themselves, that you did -- you did not see that in today's hearing.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Bolling, how did you take it? 

BOLLING: Can I just weigh in on this? Here's why -- Greg's right, it's the cover-up. Things were done wrong possibly, by it's always a cover-up. But don't forget what the cover-ups really mean. The day after Benghazi, President Obama made a speech and then he went to Vegas and did a fund- raiser the very next day. That's one. Number two, when the vice came back, President Obama and Hillary Clinton stood in front of the Drake (ph) bodies and mentioned the video in front of those, and we now know that at that point they had known it had nothing to do with the video. That's number two. And then number three, Candy Crowley go ahead -- went ahead in that debate and just leveled Mitt Romney's chances of winning the presidency by backing President Obama's inaccurate blaming of the video. And that's really, those three things. Once you realize when they knew it wasn't the video, how soon they knew it wasn't the video, then we know everything that happened after that was covered up by the administration. And you can try and not talk about it, Bob, or sweep it under the rug. But again, those things were done wrong and the cover proves it, they were complicit in it, and it's not a conspiracy theory.

BECKEL: I say, now that I listen to it, so far it's -- Benghazi is responsible for ISIS and all of this that's going on and Mitt Romney losing. That was a hell of a day that Benghazi, for the republicans to get beat. You know what I think? I agree. I think Gowdy is gonna run a good hearing here. I think a lot of these guys, what they're doing -- I'm only gonna say it, I can mention again, they're making a lot of good TV ads for this November's election. That's what this about.

GUILFOYLE: You know what? It's about four dead Americans that didn't need to die, could have been saved in about willful -- willful disregard for security requests. I'm listening to the experts and the people that were on -- No. And the people that were on the ground there that know the difference.

BECKEL: There's a lot of military guys.

GUILFOYLE: I'm just saying. Every time you disparage the situation and then you minimize the loss of life there, and I find it to be disrespectful.

GUTFELD: Can I point out that yesterday when we talked about this, I said that how the left wing hacks, which is work for Media Matters, press release, and it was like clockwork. Jessica Roy from New York Magazine regurgitated one their releases. I'm just reading it. I'm going all these facts sound familiar. And lo and behold, you know, how the FNC did 1,000 stories on Benghazi, that was a fact from Media Matters which she cites among other data that she got from Media Matters. So, it's really easy, it's much easier than doing original research to just read from a press release. So, when you compare something like Jessica Roy to Stephen Hayes, or Sharyl Attkisson, who are going out there and trying to their work. It's kind of sad how journalism has changed.

BECKEL: How do you compare that to the right wing groups that are running anti-Hillary...

GUTFELD: I wish they were better at it.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

BECKEL: They're running in eight states and probably funded by the right wing boys.

GUTFELD: But, I mean, the fact is, I get the press release and it's amazing how it is spoon-fed to the laziest hacks sitting in their lap tops covered Cheetos, waiting for their talking point.

BECKEL: ...about the politics in this. They're making politics.

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GUTFELD: ...waiting for pellets from Media Matters.

GUIFLOYLE: Bolling, we did hear, real quick, from Representative Adam Schiff on this today and he thought that was a compelling moment.

BOLLING: Do we have it? If we don't have it, he basically said Chris Stevens would have been surprised at the amount of security that is required at our embassies right now. And I'm just shocked that Adam Schiff would go out there and basically say that we're over securitizing, we're overprotecting our ambassadors and our consulates around the globe. I'm not sure he wants that on record, if, God forbid, another attack happens and someone's dies.

GUILFOYLE: You're right about that.

BECKEL: Have you been to the British embassy?

GUILFOYLE: All right. Up next on "The Five," we continue our discussion on the war on poverty, can America afford it? That debate when we come back.

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PERINO: We want to continue a conversation we had yesterday about the 50th anniversary of the war on poverty. As we reported, America has spent $22 trillion to fight that war, and yet still more people are living in poverty today than they were then.

So Greg, let me go to you. Because you wanted to mention the 22 million -- I'm sorry, $22 trillion that we've spent. But you also had a point that you wanted to make yesterday about work and the value of it.

GUTFELD: Well, I think the war on poverty is actually a war on the poor, because it replaced opportunity with dependency. But I was thinking about the $22 trillion which has been spent on something, and we've seen nothing become of it.

So if you look at 2014 -- and this is about 40 years later -- how vulnerable our country is security-wise. We're plagued by unemployment, debt, a crumbling society. Could it be that this is a country without $22 trillion, that we actually robbed our present and our future to pleasure the corruptors of our past? If we had that money, what could we have done with it? How much -- how many generations would be in better shape if that 22 trillion had been used in a different way, in a way that allowed for opportunities through businesses and trade schools and things like that?

PERINO: Not getting into that.

BECKEL: But what about it? You take it away from veterans and their hospitalization. Medicare for poor -- Medicaid for poor people.

GUTFELD: I think the 22 trillion...

BUSH: I also think the 22 -- on the Medicaid point, I think that that...

GUTFELD: That's not the -- let's talk about the war on poverty.

BECKEL: I know. That's a part of it. This 22 billion [SIC] includes Medicaid.

GUTFELD: Twenty-two trillion.

PERINO: Trillion dollars.

BECKEL: Trillion. Medicaid.

PERINO: If Medicaid worked better, I think that -- remember the study from last year that said that people that were on Medicaid from Oregon were actually worse off, health wise?

BECKEL: Yes.

PERINO: ... than they had been if they weren't?

BECKEL: God knows you can't argue the efficacy of these things. There's a lot of these programs that are just terribly run and terribly managed, and some of them are not necessary, for sure, but a lot of them are. And you go to veterans and Medicaid for kids. Nine million for the Department of Veterans Affairs, $7 million on Obamacare, and that was, by the way, the margin is now 51-41 disapproval.

PERINO: Fifty-one disapproval. It's the most durably unpopular domestic policy.

BECKEL: Well, it' s -- Medicare was much higher within the first three years. But anyway...

PERINO: Well, you would remember that.

BECKEL: I would remember that.

PERINO: Let me ask Eric Bolling about the way forward. What are the policies that could change?

GUILFOYLE: So happy here.

BOLLING: No, because I was literally saying, Greg talked about the $22 trillion that we've already spent. But going forward, what does it mean?  What's poor in America? A hundred and nine million people are receiving some form of assistance, and it doesn't include Social Security. But the $109 million nonetheless.

But 75 percent own a car; 31 percent own a second car, that's poor; 2/3 have cable; and 40 percent have flat-screen TVs. But there's one thing that 100 percent of the people receiving assistance do receive from the government, and that's the motivation to stay on assistance. Because if you work and earn, you come off assistance, you lose your freebies. So the motivation to not work and not earn is there, and if we keep raising the bar, which is the opposite of poverty. You're putting more people in that boat.

BECKEL: What do you call then you take the deductions on your house for mortgages. Coming back to you.

PERINO: That's not part of the war on poverty, Bob.

GUILFOYLE: It's not.

BECKEL: That's a war on richness is what it is.

PERINO: Bob suggested that there are programs that should be cut, but we still, Republicans and Democrats, they have a very hard time finding anything that they are willing to cut in the budget.

GUILFOYLE: They seem to lack the stomach for it, the political wherewithal, because they're worried about their constituents. I understand that. But you're elected to office to make tough decisions, and as Americans, of course, we care about poor people. We want to make sure that people that really need help and assistance are going to get it.

But we also have to do it in a responsible way that is manageable from a fiscal perspective, because how can we sustain this level of assistance which appears to be a burgeoning problem?

The Johnson war on poverty thing has really been, in my opinion, an abject failure. You have seen this generation continue to subsist on these programs, entitlements et cetera, and white people living below the poverty level, minorities, et cetera. Have we helped them out? Are we better off as a country because of the policies that we have put in place?

PERINO: You know the number that surprised me in it, Greg? Was the number of men, ages 25 to 55, that are just not working. White, black or otherwise. The number of men that aren't working in America, that surprised me.

GUTFELD: Well, you know, President Obama would blame that on the ATM machines.

PERINO: Oh, brother.

GUTFELD: They're replacing jobs. It cannot be government. It cannot be government.

BOLLING: One of the common themes, though, that I think either side of the aisle will agree on, or the reason why we're losing this war, even though we're spending more and more money on it, is the single parent. It's that more and more households have one parent.

BECKEL: That's true.

BOLLING: And the divorce rate is going up, and more and more are single- family households.

PERINO: The highest number...

BOLLING: That's making more people living in poverty.

PERINO: The highest number of single parent households ever.

BECKEL: And I think there's no question that contributes to this. We've seen that go, ever since the war on poverty. It has given some incentives, many times people that have single families and then that's causing more poverty.

But you've got to look at things like the Farm Bill. Neither the Republicans or Democrats have the guts to cut into that. That thing supports the agricultural system in this country way more than is necessary. I think there's a lot of these programs that need to be either cut or at least re-evaluated from a zero tolerance standpoint and go up from there?

GUTFELD: I mean, the -- what Bob's saying is brave because the other -- the other culprit here is the media and academic complex that deems anyone who questions such corruption of said programs as Grinches. If you dare to approach these things, you are cold white men who wish to starve children.

PERINO: The 2012 election was all about raising taxes on the one percent.  And yet today I read in "The Economist" about the increased -- the consumption tax in Japan, and now all of a sudden that's a big disaster for their economy. So anyway. There's logic and then there's feelings, and we have to figure out a way to compromise.

When we come back, Leonardo DiCaprio gets a huge honor from the U.N.. Greg is going to tell you all about it, next.

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GUTFELD: My dream came true: Leonardo DiCaprio has been named a U.N. "Messenger of Peace." Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon called Leo a credible voice in the environmental movement, which is like calling Jeffrey Dahmer a credible voice for stew.

Leo will speak at the U.N.'s climate summit, which makes sense, because both are dumber than a bag of spiders.

Fact: There's more Antarctic sea ice at any time since measurements were taken in '79, and the polar bears are doing fine. If only ISIS beheaded them, not humans, Leo might care about terror.

Global warming paused a decade and a half ago, just as CO2 levels rose 10 percent. That's according to NASA satellites, Bob, not Yoko Ono.

Sea level increases are small and may be slowing. Bad news for Obama's breathless hysteria, but great news for Al Gore's houseboat.

Finally, there's been no dramatic increase in extreme weather in modern times.

So imagine if stars like Leo focused on terror, not climate. Lives could be saved.

But terror doesn't get you to the party invites or allow indictments of America. Global warming hysteria is now a religion with gods, sinners and indulgences -- a cult that crushes those who dare to speak out.

Remember, corruption explodes when dissent is forbidden.

And so as rape and death spread globally, these dopes condemn carbon, an energy source that could actually save millions.

Leo may be an angel to the U.N., but to the rest of the world, he's got horns that kill.

So Eric, doesn't this reveal the absurd priorities that both the U.N. and most celebrities. You've got terror and they're looking at, like, rising sea levels.

BOLLING: Really. You hear this? He's going to put out a series of films, and one of them is called "Carbon." It's going to tell us -- it's going to tell the world is threatened by a carbon monster: coal, oil, natural gas and carbon-based forms of energy.

So -- and then what do you do? If you can't use the coal oil, natural gas, and frack. What are we going to do, Leo? Is everything going to be nuclear? They hate that, too. So why don't we just, you know, turn the lights off, and maybe we don't have to listen to Leo blab on. By the way, I love his films, but come on.

GUTFELD: You know what. He's talking about banning something that would save millions of lives in third-world countries who are busy and other toxic fuels. He's our generation's Rachel Carson, who you know, demonized DDT, which caused, you know, lives

PERINO: Yesterday we talked got Ebola and how President Obama is going to send troops. And we have this big major effort because we could have a global pandemic.

One of the things that would help the people of West Africa the most is to have access to more electricity.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: So that they could have better hygiene, they could have better running water.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

PERINO: And better education. I mean, all of those things -- Ban Ki-moon, the U.N. general director, he has said that he wants his legacy to be about climate change. That's what he thinks is the most important issue, while the world burns all the way around.

And in addition to that, when you talk about facts, the New York state government is fighting two major things. One, fracking...

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: ... even though the Department of Energy just came out with a study saying that it is safe. Still, the Department of Environmental Services under Governor Cuomo says no.

And in addition the Mohawk plant, the nuclear power plant, they're making it so difficult for them to relicense that you're definitely going to see increases in electricity prices for people in this area, people like DiCaprio says they care about.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: It doesn't make any sense.

GUTFELD: K.G., how does Leo get to all those exotic yachts and film festivals? I've never seen him on a Greyhound bus or dog.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. No, he always brings, like, the hot models with him.  That's how it works, you know, because he is a U.N. messenger of peace.  Did you know that? It's very cool. He's getting business cards printed at Kinkos.

So here's the deal. What does that have to do with climate change? Of peace? Because global warming is violent, engaged in jihad against the world? No way. You see what's going on here?

GUTFELD: They say they'll link climate change to terror, that areas where there are like droughts, there's -- instability is caused by weather. Bob, I think you agree with me on this, that for the left, climate change is their terrorism. Because western man is the terrorist.

BECKEL: First of all, speaking for the cults, of which there are hundreds of millions around the world who believe that this is a present and clear danger. I'm delighted to see he got this nomination.

We're going to have factual differences.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: You guys have talked about this; you don't think it's a big deal.  I think it's far worse -- far worse than terrorism is, and if we don't come to grips with it, it's going to cost generations down the road their lives.

GUILFOYLE: Ay, yi, yi, I can't. I don't understand.

BECKEL: I just asked if you could be kind enough to say you have an agreement on this. I believe this. We disagree.

GUILFOYLE: So what? But I have an opinion, too. Here it is, that sounds ridiculous. How can you say that climate change and global warming is more dangerous than terrorism?

BECKEL: Because it's what I believe. Because it's what I believe.  Because it's what I believe.

GUTFELD: All right. But the fact is, Bob, not everybody in the climate change world is like you, who welcome an opposing opinion. There is no debate. And when there is no debate, there's a...

BECKEL: I agree with that. I do.

GUTFELD: That needs to change. We need to have these...

GUILFOYLE: And none of that weird, awkward thing called ignorance to happen.

BOLLING: Do you believe in ghosts?

BECKEL: Yes, I do.

BOLLING: There you have it.

BECKEL: You don't believe in ghosts, right? Except for the ones that haunt Wall Street?

BOLLING: Nor in global warming, either one.

BECKEL: Neither one, huh?

GUTFELD: All right. Coming up, some of the NFL's biggest sponsors aren't happy with the way the league is handling their controversies. We'll tell you who's upset and what they're saying, next.

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BECKEL: The NFL is in the middle of another bad press week. First Ray Rice, and now Adrian Peterson. The Vikings announce they're deactivating Peterson indefinitely while he's under investigation for more than one incident of child abuse after initially allowing him to play.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE; We made a mistake and we needed to get this right. It is important to always listen to our fans, the community, and our sponsors.

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BECKEL: And it doesn't end there. Some of the biggest NFL -- NFL's biggest sponsors, excuse me, are publicly chastising and criticizing the league for their handling of these controversies, and they include names like Anheuser Bush, huge, and McDonald's and Visa. Eric.

BOLLING: And Pepsi.

BECKEL: PepsiCo, excuse me. When you get this, this starts to hurt at the pocketbook.

BOLLING: So a couple of things very quickly. You notice that was the owner doing this, deactivating Peterson, not the league, and that's important. We've been saying, or about what I have been saying here.

GUILFOYLE: Talk about the distinction.

BOLLING: Let the owners take care of this. That's where the employment contract is with. The players are with the owners of the teams, not with the league.

I think the league is responding. They put together a four-woman female panel to address domestic violence and I believe conduct. But my concern is, I believe there are four white women.

BECKEL: Absolutely.

BOLLING: I think there should be at least one if not more than one African-American woman. Because the league is predominantly African- American. I think you'd want to see that in that group, as well. So I think it's -- I don't think it's a bad week for the NFL. I think it's a good week. I think things are playing out. When money ask on the line, they have a tendency to win.

GUILFOYLE: They have a top-notch domestic violence prosecutor.

BECKEL: Dana, you've done crisis communications. Building and building on them every day.

PERINO: Very much so and I think what the companies are saying, the sponsors, that that's a reflection, not just of how, maybe the top management feels, but it's important for them from an internal employee perspective that they are responding to what their employees are saying, what kind of company they want to work for and if they are uncomfortable with the sponsorship then the top management is going to say so.

BECKEL:

GUTFELD: Interesting thing about the sponsors is that Bud Light is the league's official beer. I mean, it's weird; who knew that was a beer?

To use a football term, what we're seeing is piling on. You're seeing a lot of people scared of a threat of a boycott or a girlcott. Don't want to be sexist. So there's a lot of people making sure they're -- they don't look like a mob but they're leading a parade.

BECKEL: NFL going to come out and do something now?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, listen, they've got to. I think this is going to be one of the -- I don't know -- most interesting seasons, and let's see if they show some leadership in the community on this issue. They certainly, I'd like the first step of establishing that panel. They have a top notch former domestic violence prosecutor on there. So I think that's a step in the right direction, but I think they have to address the culture in the NFL when it comes to domestic violence issues, child abuse, et cetera.

BECKEL: I couldn't agree with you more. Eric, I think you're right. The teams have to deal with the people that they contract. The NFL is the one that sets the policy about how do you deal as a human being in their league. And I think they are now faced with one. I think they're going to have to come out very quickly and say something to try to stop this.

"One More Thing" is up next.

GUTFELD: What's wrong with saying they made a mistake?

BECKEL: That would be very good. It's just like the Vikings guy said, we made a mistake. And I think if the NFL came out and said, "You know, we let these things go on too long. We should have looked at it. And we'll look at it much more clearly."

GUILFOYLE: Let's do a better job.

BECKEL: OK. "One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Again.

BECKEL: Sorry about that.

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BOLLING: All right, time for "One More Thing." Greg kicks it off.

GUTFELD: It's time for...

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GUTFELD: Greg's Sports Corner.

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GUTFELD: Because I love sports. There's an exciting new draft pick for the Atlantic Robot Dogs. Check him out; this guy's amazing. He is -- he's a first round draft pick. He goes by the name of Robot Jasper. The great thing about him is he needs no food or water and he poops spark plugs.  Isn't that nice?

PERINO: Isn't that handy?

GUTFELD: Yes, it is. There's not a lot of cleanup there.

That's what he sees when he's running. This is the future of pets. Look at that, is that amazing or what?

BECKEL: What.

GUTFELD: Keep your warm at night, Bob.

BECKEL: I guess.

BOLLING: All righty. K.G., you're up.

GUILFOYLE: That was, like, so weird. Mine's good. OK. Mine is about babies. No, not the royals. Eva Mendez and Ryan Gosling had a baby girl.  I bet you didn't even really know, unless you obsess on "Us Weekly," that they were pregnant. So very excited for them.

GUTFELD: She was pregnant.

GUILFOYLE: They've been together for three years, and now they've got a baby girl. Welcome the bundle of joy. They met on a film together. Very sweet. Nice couple.

BOLLING: All right. Dana, you're up.

PERINO: So my "One More Thing" is based on Greg's blog. When we were talking about climate change, I didn't have a chance to mention, this is a global problem, so you kind of need a global coalition of the willing to come. President Obama and Ban Ki-Moon are having a climate conference on Tuesday, September 23, here in New York.

Let me tell you the countries who said they're not coming: Australia, India, China, Germany and Canada.

BOLLING: Big polluters.

PERINO: All the ones that you need in the coalition for global warming.

BOLLING: Big polluters. Bob.

BECKEL: My "One More Thing" is I want to -- this is sort of a shout-out to my niece, Tiffany Proto (ph), who is a pediatric oncology nurse in Ohio.  And this is -- September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. You know that every day 43 children are diagnosed with cancer, and the Institute of Cancer spends 96 percent of its budget on adult cancer and only 4 percent on children's cancer. So I'm very proud of her.

The cancer society, there's only 1 percent, by the way. So put your donations in the right place and think about kids, because there's an awful lot of them with it; and she has a lot of courage to do what she does.

PERINO: Very sweet, Bob. I like that.

BOLLING: OK. Today's September 17; it's the 217th birthday of the Constitution, signing of the Constitution in Philadelphia.

By the way, you can get a copy of one of these pocket Constitutions for a buck. Go on Amazon. You can find these. It's one of the best investments you can possibly do for your kids and always have it in your pocket like I do. But before we go, we have something important.

Come on, guys. He's out there. I see him.

GUILFOYLE: He's a good boy.

PERINO: I have someone here to walk me home.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness. Take the shot.

BOLLING: There's Jasper.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness.

BECKEL: Aaaa!

BOLLING: You never have to miss another one, you can watch Fox News live any time from your computer or smart phone. Whatever, you know the rest of the story -- Bret.

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