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Obama's ISIS crisis; Battleground poll shows GOP with strong edge in midterms

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 3, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: She said she was 21.

Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling and she's fluent in Light-Brite, it's Dana Perino. This is "The Five."

For the first time in history we have two presidents. There's this man.

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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: They failed because like people around the world, Americans are repulsed by their barbarism.

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GUTFELD: And then there's this man.

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OBAMA: Despite the cynics, America's on the move. It's making progress. Despite all the opposition, they are workers who have jobs now who didn't have them before.

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GUTFELD: Again, this gentleman.

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OBAMA: Their horrific acts only unite us as a country and stiffen our resolve to take the fight against these terrorists.

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GUTFELD: Then this charmer.

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OBAMA: The belief that together we can build up our middle class then hands down something better to our kids. That's what built America, and America's best days are still ahead.

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GUTFELD: It's weird. Are we sure this is the same guy? I mean, this guy...

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OBAMA: And those who make the mistake of harming Americans will learn that we will not forget and that our reach is long and that justice will be served.

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GUTFELD: Can't be this guy.

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VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: They should know we will follow them to the gates of hell until they are brought to justice. Because hell is where they will reside! Hell is where they will reside.

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GUTFELD: I'd call him Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde but he's more like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Bean.

No wonder everyone is confused. Do we have a "Goofus and Gallant" presidency? Gallant with his pals, Goofus with us, passion for his fans, passivity for the rest of us.

And so with the world on fire, our president isn't. At our defense, he's as inspiring as a soggy cheerio, it's like watching someone take batting practice with a garden hose or teeing off with a rope or shooting pool with a butterfly net. Selena Gomez has more testosterone.

At some point, the president must admit we're under attack, not by Republicans or evil corporations but radical Islam. It's not Hobby Lobby, it's hell-bent madmen.

But perhaps it's odd for him to confront external threats when you've been taught threats are internal, an ideology cultivated by Ayers and Alinsky.

But like it or not, it's time to lead, and not from behind. In a world where everyone is behind, not being in front makes you an ass. It's time to abandon your discomfort over American power. You're not a unionist. You're not a community organizer. You're not an U.N. diplomat sipping Prosecco at an Italian mansion. You're the president of the United States with critical role as leader of the free world.

There were 43 before you. Let's make sure there's a 45th.

Bob, let me go to you first.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Please.

GUTFELD: Because I know you disagree with me, but I wanted to agree with you on one point. As long as President Obama bombs, does it matter if he's boring?

BECKEL: No, but let me take this to another level. This is going to cause, I know, some disagreement here, but I think what Obama said about things we need to do here at home. I think the terror threat is overwhelmingly overstated. I think that we're spending too much time and too much money, as if there are more kids killed on bicycles in the last two years than killed by terrorists in this country. We have altered our way of life. We're spending a lot of money and frankly, the obsession with this is getting to the point of world is not on fire, fire in certain places with a certain group of people that can be dealt with.

GUTFELD: It's a fire that spreads.

BECKEL: Well, you say that's a fire that spreads, maybe, maybe. We don't know that yet, and that's my point.

GUTFELD: But we've had...

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BECKEL: It's not right next door but it's not yet. And so I just, I think that, you know -- I know you disagree with me, but I'm just saying that there's a lot of other things I would rather deal with at least equally here at home as we do in this terrorist threat from the thugs in the Middle East.

GUTFELD: Bob would argue that it hasn't been equal since Obama has been president. That he's been obsessed with domestic issues like ObamaCare. Eric, Joe Biden on ISIS. Was that president Obama farming out his passion?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I don't know. Almost felt like, you know, the White House and the advisers' gone (ph), well, he's not going to do it, meaning Obama. Let's see if we can get Biden to do something to at least get people, you know, stirred up a little bit and let them think they are concerned about it. Bob, Senator Feinstein, Senator Franken, Senator Nelson and a handful of other senators, all democrats have said, President Obama's lack of strategy is a problem, it's problematic and he needs to develop something.

BECKEL: (INAUDIBLE)

BOLLING: Well, you just said ISIS isn't a threat.

BECKEL: God, man.

BOLLING: You did not say that we are overestimating the ISIS threat...

BECKEL: I think that we're -- yes, I will say that.

BOLLING: So Senator Feinstein, Nelson, Franken and a host of other senators don't think we're overstating the ISIS threat. They think Obama should come up with a strategy. Anyway, getting back from this morning, the presser overseas, he's -- President Obama says we're going to degrade and destroy and then he goes into something about making it -- making ISIS a manageable problem. Herpes is manageable. ISIS is deadly. We need to stop playing around with this.

GUTFELD: They're not all agree to that.

BOLLING: Another thought. Why aren't ISIS killing Russians?

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: I don't know. Maybe Putin is a little scarier than President Obama. We have a strategy for everything. We have a strategy to combat hunger. We have a strategy to combat obesity, but we don't have a strategy...

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: School lunches.

BOLLING: ... to combat the people.

BECKEL: Terrorists kill Russians everyday.

BOLLING: I have a strategy. Forget let's move. How about let's bomb.

BECKEL: Terrorists in Chechnya kill Russians everyday.

BOLLING: OK, but not ISIS terrorists.

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BOLLING: They are not lobbing off heads and showing the families.

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BECKEL: Well, maybe they don't do that. That's right, but don't say they don't kill Russians, of course they do.

GUTFELD: I want to show that what you're referring, to the kind of shift in perspective, what President Obama said first about ISIS and then later and then we can comment on that.

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OBAMA: Bottom line is this. Our objective is clear, and that is to degrade and destroy ISIL, so it's no longer a threat, not just to Iraq, but also the region and to the United States. We'll continue to shrink ISIL's sphere of influence, its effectiveness, its financing, its -- its military capabilities to the point where it is a manageable problem.

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GUTFELD: Kimberly, that shift from degrade and destroy.

GUILFOYLE: He's on the ground.

GUTFELD: Is that a shift in perspective, a wise shift, or was he backpedaling?

GUILFOYLE: Look, I don't think he knows what direction he's going. It's embarrassing. As our president we've got the guy on like the tricycle that kind of doesn't know which direction to go in, and the U.K.'s got a team in place, and they have got a leader in David Cameron that knows exactly what he's doing, so now today I find myself craving, craving the U.K...

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GUILFOYLE: ...and their leader because we don't have someone that has any idea. Now, I'm gravitating towards Biden because at least he has figured out who are the good guys, who are the bad guys, and he sounds like he actually cares about it and understands that this is a credible threat.

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BECKEL: You are talking about?

GUILFOYLE: I'm telling you that they are prepared and really ramping up in the U.K. to prepare themselves for any kind of terrorist attack, which is also what we should be doing. They understand the gravity of the situation and that the reach of ISIS and these terrorist groups can come to your front door. You don't seem to be able to get that.

BECKEL: I get it perfectly well. I think you over-get it.

GUTFELD: Dana, I get the idea we shouldn't be in a hurry.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: OK.

GUTFELD: But we should be forceful, and there just doesn't seem -- when you see that sharp contrast between the forceful nature of Obama internally and internationally it -- it kind of bugs you.

PERINO: Not just internally. It's about a minimum wage increase.

GUTFELD: True.

PERINO: Versus terrorism. Remember, Bob, two weeks ago I got bleached for saying a word that didn't really need to be bleeped but because I was so mad, because you were -- I was mad because you were talking about how the threat wasn't as big a deal, and then that night you got a phone call from somebody that was a good pal of yours that is notice know and they told you that you were being an idiot and that that was ridiculous.

BECKEL: About the potential for ISIS in that region, yeah, that's right.

PERINO: OK. Do you think you're going to get another call tonight?

BECKEL: No, because I don't think that he believes or do I believe that the United States is in an imminent threat of stuff happening and what we're doing is scaring ourselves and scaring our kids to the process and I want to see...

PERINO: Who is scaring the children?

BECKEL: What I want to see...

PERINO: You know what scares me, a president who seems to be asleep at the wheel. His affect is off, and he's not gonna (inaudible), where's he's so excited about domestic issues, I mean, he's like this.

BECKEL: You're not worried about it because it doesn't affect you that much, but -- for how Kimberly do.

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GUILFOYLE: Well, I do care.

PERINO: I want to pick up something Kimberly said. Dana Milbank had comment to the Washington Post this morning, he's comment was about, the president's -- this is his words, happy talk is disturbing to people and that if it looked like and seemed that he was more worried that they would have to worry less. I think that the White House will have something -- will have to answer to something from congress if they can get their act together to ask and I think that they will, and that is about the president's daily brief. Catherine Herridge broke the news yesterday about a former Pentagon official who said that -- in the president's daily brief at least since last January there's been specific information with specific targets regarding ISIS.

At this -- what could have happened between January and now, so that we don't -- that we might not have been in the crisis situation that we're in? Could we have stopped them from having a territory now the size of Great Britain? We've also shown the air strikes that the president ordered are very effective. So maybe they are working on some more of -- do you think that it's curious that while all things are going, especially in Russia and Libya, that this morning the National Security Council announced that Susan Rice, the president's national security adviser, who is supposed to coordinate a strategy across all the agencies, is going to China for a previously scheduled trip next week and maybe the Chinese are just going to help us in the Middle East. I just think on the week of September 11, I wouldn't have the national security adviser travel to China.

GUTFELD: Let me ask Eric this, because this is one -- I hate to say that I might agree with Thomas Friedman on anything.

GUILFOYLE: I can't believe it.

GUTFELD: I know. I'm sorry.

TANTAROS: Don't do it.

GUTFELD: But he made a point that the beheadings are meant to get us to overreact.

BOLLING: Sure.

GUTFELD: And I mean, that's true so you could see... 

BOLLING: Terror is meant to get people to overreact.

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GUTFELD: Should we not overreact?

BOLLING: I mean, think about this for one second. A guy tried to blow up a plane with his shoe, what, ten years ago, and within every -- every American has been taking off his shoe ever since then, that would be an overreact, that would be a definition of terror.

GUILFOYLE: Underwear bomber?

BOLLING: But guess what? The minute you don't and something bad happens, then -- then you lose. We really do need -- look...

BECKEL: Is that a strategy in (inaudible)?

GUILFOYLE: He's saying you can't afford to not react.

BOLLING: ...you're sitting back and you're just gonna sit back and like make fun of everyone else's common mistake.

BECKEL: I'm not making fun. I'm just asking.

BOLLING: Substantial and substantive to this debate. Here's what we are, we are America who is afraid of a 9/11 that's gonna happen in one week and one day. We don't know what our policy is, we don't know what our strategy is, we don't know what we're doing to combat any sort of terror threat that may be coming to our shore or happening from within, and we have a White House that refuses, refuses, to give us a definition of what they are gonna do and that's scary. What we need to do is tell them to let us know what they are gonna do so at least we can get behind something.

GUILFOYLE: But there are people who have a strategy and know what they want to do. The problem is the president is the last one to get it along and go along with it because he can't pull the trigger, he can't make decisions. He constantly equivocates, waits, waits, can't decide. That's why people like Rahm Emanuel left him.

BECKEL: He's not waiting, he's bombing every day. He's bombing every day, he is bombing every day and it's working, and it's working. And what is the strategy beyond getting rid of these guys?

BOLLING: Ample problem, make ISIS a manageable problem, what the hell does that mean? What does that mean? That's the last thing he said. We want ISIS to become a manageable -- can you define a manageable problem.

BECKEL: My guess is, he's probably not gonna do away with an entire group of people completely.

BOLLING: And so what, a few death American deaths is OK so that's manageable.

BECKEL: All I would say to you is that I think it's like saying you're gonna make all radical Islamists manageable or get rid of them all.

GUILFOYLE: I don't know how you can be rhetoric (ph), bad rhetoric, it's like he sat in on a business class in college and he heard the word make it a manageable problem. That's not what we're dealing with right now.

BECKEL: You said everybody else has a strategy can you tell me what they're...

GUILFOYLE: You're feeling that the terrorist ideology -- I know exactly what we need to do here, and I wish the president would get on board and figure it out.

BECKEL: Which is what?

GUILFOYLE: We need to continue with the bombings, we need to do something about Syria as well, we need to continue to be able to put men and women on the ground to make sure that we have reliable real-time intelligence- gathering. We need to take out the top and central command of ISIS right there, cut the head off the snake, and continue until they stop beheading people.

BECKEL: But do you believe that any of that is not happening?

GUTFELD: Wait, wait, but there's one thing that's not happening or we don't know that's happening. I want to ask Dana about this because we will never get it storm (ph)...

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GUILFOYLE: And cut off the financing.

GUTFELD: There seems -- does President Obama have any international capital to build a coalition at this point?

PERINO: This is a great question.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

PERINO: Yeah. In the Syrian red line situation, one of the questions I asked was who -- could you name who in the world is President Obama's best friend on the world stage? Who does he call when you know what hits the fan? Who does he call to say, you know what, we need to get this coalition together? Typically every president, you can actually name one.

BOLLING: Right.

PERINO: Reagan, Thatcher, Clinton, Blair, President George W. Bush with Koizumi or Aznar or even Blair later on. Obama seems to be a little bit alone and aloof, but that is not just my words, that is actually the narrative from everyone that saying that this is the way that he's decided to handle his presidency.

GUTFELD: Clooney and Daisy (ph).

PERINO: Right now at the meeting -- at the NATO meeting it could be maybe the president behind closed doors is a master of ceremonies bringing everybody together and they're gonna come out with a strong strategy.

BECKEL: But in fairness to him, nobody else is doing anything. He is doing something.

PERINO: But the thing is, the reason that people used to do things with us is because we led, as a leader of the free world, they came along and said we're with the United States.

BOLLING: Who else should be doing it, Bob?

BECKEL: You tell me.

BOLLING: How many beheaded Saudis have we seen? How many beheaded Russians have we seen, how many beheaded Brits have we seen so far?

BECKEL: Well, you saw a Brit do both of them, didn't you? The beheadings were done by a Brit, right?

GUTFELD: All right, we've got to be heading out. Ahead on THE FIVE Former President Jimmy Carter speaks out on terror calling on Muslims to turn to Allah in order to bring peace. Kimberly has the tape, next.

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GUILFOYLE: President Obama thinks one of the keys to defeating ISIS is to organize the Muslim world.

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OBAMA: What we've got to do is make sure that we are organizing the Arab world, the Middle East, the Muslim world along with the international community to isolate this cancer.

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GUILFOYLE: So what does Former President Jimmy Carter think? Muslims should turn to Allah to help bring about peace.

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JIMMY CARTER, FORMER PRESIDENT: We all Americans wanting to insist upon basic human rights, peace, freedom, justice and the treatment of each other as equals, and I hope that all of you will use the principles of Allah and our God to bring peace and justice to all.

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GUILFOYLE: Dana, what did you just say?

PERINO: I say, I think what he's saying is good. I think that's a good message, that he has a voice, they listen to him. I found nothing objectionable to what he's saying, I mean, we're not under some illusion that all of a sudden all the Muslims in the world are gonna see the light and become Christians, but he's saying the actual principle Allah -- you can read the text in a certain way certainly, but the vast majority of Muslims around the world are a peaceful people and they have -- there are radicals that are ruing their religion and are not enough Imams that are standing up to them, but you do have countries in the Muslim world that are starting to stand with us. Now, maybe that's because the enemy of the enemy is your friend and if that's the case then we should use this as an opportunity to make sure that we can forge a new way forward in the world.

GUILFOYLE: We'll take them. Eric?

BOLLING: So, I said it before, I think Iran needs to step up here. I mean they think they can and Iran they has this big huge -- they have political footprint in the Middle East with ACP (ph), if people see, if other Muslims see Iran pushing back on ISIS, I think that will help out quite a bit. Saudi Arabia has the will and the money and the location to do it. They need to do it as well, and Turkey needs to get involved, too, because they have a border with Iraq, and I think it's important for Turkey to get involved, too. So if you have those three countries, predominantly Muslim countries pushing back on ISIS, I think that's a great thing. I think they will go a long way and I hope they do. Iran has some leverage, threatens sanctions again if it gets to that if they don't get on board and play ball with us, threaten Iranian sanctions because they don't wanna go through that again, they were actually working, Bob, but you didn't agree with that. Can we stop calling them Islamic state, though? Can we call them something else? Can we call them Muslim terrorists, call them anything but Islamic state, they're not -- they don't represent Islam and they're not a state nor should they be recognized as a state. Call them anything, figure out another word.

BECKEL: That's a good point. By the way, I think the three countries you name is really the key to this thing and I think it's surprising we might have to find ourselves working with the Iranians, but this is a good place to do it. The Turks are vitally important to this, but the most important is the Saudis, and the Saudis have got to realize sooner than later that this is their fight, not our fight, at much -- at least as much their fight as it is our fight, but I agree with those three countries. Outside of that I can't imagine Egypt or anybody else having much of an impact.

GUILFOYLE: Greg?

GUTFELD: It's weird though because in a sense what we're seeing is that these new bad guys make all the other bad guys suddenly look good, and I don't necessarily buy that because these -- they've been beheading -- these radicals have been beheading for years, and it just happens to be on Twitter and it's well produced. ISIS is really just a better version of al Qaeda, it's like Bad Boys two or another 48 hours. It's a sequel so I have a problem also knowing that there are all these civil wars going on. How do you organize people who are at war with themselves? They are at war with themselves, and this might be the time. This might be the time that Islam decides to domesticate or tame its radical extremist factions but these radical extremist factions have been around for a long time and no one was tried to tame them. In history almost all religions have faced their extremist factions, and at some point they have been domesticated.

BECKEL: And they backed down in this case for the most part for hundreds of years. I think this is the time the Saudis are gonna finally decided that they back down, it's gonna cost them that half and 150 years when they lost their kingdom.

GUILFOYLE: Well, they'll gonna have to -- yeah, they gonna have to pay attention to it and hopefully it arouse enough to do something about it. We've got a full-screen quote that I wanna share with you, this is a new statement on the fight against ISIS from the United Arab Emirates. Islamic extremism is a Middle East problem, but it's quickly becoming the world's problem, too. It is a transitional challenge, the most destabilizing and dangerous global force since fascism. The UAE is ready to join the international community in an urgent, coordinated and sustained effort to confront a threat that will, if unchecked, have global ramifications for decades to come. Take it around the table, Bob, I'll begin with you.

BECKEL: Well, I think that they keep where this is the Emirates, I don't think they can do much militarily but certainly financially. The Saudis and Emirates have been supporting the Wahabis for a long time so that keep out of their backyard. If they can cut off the money there and if we can get these oilfields back ISIS will not have access so too much resource that they have in the past.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Eric, pick it up.

BOLLING: You know what, I think you're 100 percent right, the other -- yes, so they have this territory in Northern Iraq and part of Syria. There's some oil there, but the massive oil fields are in the southern part of Iraq. What you need to do is make sure they don't get that. And you're, Bob, start to take the oilfields back. You cut off the money, you cut off ISIS -- they can't go anywhere from there, they can only loot and steal a certain amount of gold out of banks and then they're done. So when these crazy Jihadists are, you know, dropping whatever business they were doing and coming to fight for ISIS, if they're not gonna be paid they're gonna stop doing it. They're gonna lose that...

BECKEL: I think you forget about Turkey. And most of these weapons, sophisticated weapons are coming through Turkey to them and I think the Turks would finally, you know, they have their own problems because they are in a major battle between secular and...

BECKEL: The other thing, can I just add this very quickly, kill the brand. Right now they are cool, like the Muslim, you know, you're 16, 17, 18 years -- you want to be an Islamist, you look at them, wow, they are winning, they're cool. Kill the brand. Destroy the name and show them what they are, show them -- ugly under belly of terrorism.

GUILFOYLE: Dana.

PERINO: I'll also say quickly, Ambassador Otaiba is a wonderful person and we're lucky in the United States to have him. The way that they could that is that they do have military assets and I think that they are willing to use them, he is saying so, but also from a digital standpoint ISIS is very capable...

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

PERINO: When it comes to spreading terror on their phones and I think that the UAE could put some muscle behind countering some of the propaganda that you see in the Middle East, and that would be very useful.

GUILFOYLE: I always like a good cyber-attack against the enemy.

GUTFELD: The other interesting point about this is that the Arabs brought up radical Islam. We haven't, I mean, our president won't and that's -- I mean, come on, if they're gonna do it, I think...

BECKEL: You can argue about Obama. It's amazing isn't? And when was the last time we heard radical Islam come out of mouth of Islamist?

GUTFELD: Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying. It's breakthrough for them not for to only have breakthrough over here.

GUILFOYLE: Wouldn't that be nice, any minute now, any minute now. No time like the present, especially given the week coming up. The ISIS threat here at home. Are members of the terror network already in America and able to strike? Stay tuned for some important updates next on "The Five."

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BOLLING: So 9/11 is just a week and a day away. Jihadists would love another victory on our soil. Could it be home-grown here in the USA? If you think that's not a threat, think again. Here's a happy home-grown jihadist, Troy Kastigar from Minnesota.

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TROY KASTIGAR, JIHADIST: If you guys only knew how much fan we have over here. This is the real Disneyland.

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BOLLING: Well, Troy died fighting for some al Qaeda types in Somalia in 2009. And how about these guys, Douglas McArthur McCain and Abdirahmaan Muhumed? Both just died fighting for ISIS in Syria. Three filthy animals, three jihadists, all three Americans from Minnesota. In fact, McCain and Kastigar were best friends at Robbinsdale Cooper High School.

Mr. Muhumed, nothing to see there, right? Well, he worked at Delta airlines at the Minneapolis Airport, and he had security clearance. Now bringing it around to K.G.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, they are here.

BOLLING: Wow.

GUILFOYLE: Getting anybody's attention at all? Bob? Come on.

BECKEL: No.

GUILFOYLE: You don't care?

BECKEL: Of course I do. I think we brought it on ourselves.

GUILFOYLE: They don't see this and go, "Yo, check me out over here, ready to go jihad, get my jihad on." They get it in place. They set it up and they wait for it, because they have the wherewithal. They have the focus.  This is their life. They have no problem dying for the cause. It's about religion.

BECKEL: I don't disagree with you that that's what they would like to do.  Whether they have the focus and the wherewithal is another question. We have invited so many Muslims into this country, and we have done a very poor job of vetting these people as they come in. And it's not at all surprising to me that there are a number of them that are very radical and that they are here. That is our problem because of our immigration process.

GUILFOYLE: Why do you think that we don't have any kind of credible threat here?

BECKEL: Because I don't believe there's a command structure here and an ability to do that the way there was before.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, these are two -- these are three American high school people from Minnesota. Two of them went to high school together. These are Americans. They're not foreigners who have come over.

BECKEL: I understand that.

GUILFOYLE: These are radicalized Americans. They fought -- they fought and died for ISIS.

BECKEL: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Would they be considered manageable problems?

BECKEL: No, no, no. I think they're three American -- all-American high school students who killed more children than any of them.

BOLLING: Manageable. Manageable problems. Dane.

BECKEL: That's not what I said. That's just...

BOLLING: One town in one American state. I mean, there's -- it's got to be more.

PERINO: Well, probably is, and that's what I think ever since the 9/11 commission issued its first report that their biggest concern is a home- grown threat so possibly a lone wolf situation. That's one of the reasons that we have the intel programs that we have in order to try to coordinate to try to find out if anybody...

GUILFOYLE: But the Boston bombing.

PERINO: ... in the states is talking to somebody outside.

Boston Marathon bombing is a great example. I worry -- I worry day. I don't worry much about the anniversary itself of 9/11, because I think that as soon as we worry about that date, then they might strike on the 12th, but it is good to be vigilant at all times, of course.

BOLLING: And, Greg, I -- you wonder why they went to Syria and wherever else, wherever Kastigar got killed. I can't remember where he got killed.

GUTFELD: I don't think -- I don't think they're typical terrorists. I believe that they are a mob of organized spree killers employed by a master that gives them meaning.

I don't think they're any different than people that go and shoot up schools, and we have to be very careful about romanticizing in the media the manic coverage of these spree killers. We have to treat them like the dirt bags they are.

We've got 340 million in this country, is that right? So this is why there are four things, maybe three things that are important. The Second Amendment. The citizen, the law-abiding citizen must have the ability to protect himself in case something were to happen. I don't think you're ever going to see a radical takeover of the United States as long as there are wonderful, beautiful guns.

No. 2, we need to enforce our borders so to make sure this stuff doesn't happen again.

And we do need spy programs. We need strong intel, the NSA. We've got to trust them. This is the haystack. These are the guys in the haystack.

BOLLING: All right. Can we do this very quickly? Let me just play a clip of former CIA operative Bob Baer. He says ISIS is already here in the U.S.  Listen.

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BOB BAER, FORMER CIA OPERATIVE: The people who collect tactical intelligence on the ground day to day, and this isn't Washington, but, you know, people collecting this stuff say they are here. ISIS is here.  They're capable of striking. They don't know what their plans and intentions are, but it's a definite concern. And the people who do this for a living are very alarmed.

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BOLLING: Bobby, you alarmed?

BECKEL: Huh?

Bolling: Are you alarmed?

BECKEL: I know Bob Baer, and I wouldn't -- I wouldn't even begin to comment. It would be beneath everybody here.

GUILFOYLE: So you can't engage in just personal attacks.

BECKEL: Personal attacks. This is not based on fact. I want facts.

GUILFOYLE: No, but Bob...

BECKEL: You've got to have facts.

BOLLING: I just gave you three guys.

BECKEL: This guy's. ISIS is (AUDIO GAP).

BOLLING: He stopped. Dana, your thoughts on whether Bob Baer is right?  If -- I just -- we can't bury -- we can't put our head in the sand and say they're not here. They're here.

PERINO: Of course not, and I think what you're hearing from some of these anonymous sources or the intel community, I've seen this before. They start to reach out a little bit because they are getting concerned that perhaps the United States is not taking this as seriously as they would like.

It is very confusing. When you hear messages like that and then you hear the president of the United States say, "Well, look, the world has always been a messy place. We just know more about it now because of social media," kind of a shrug of the shoulder. And then on the one hand, then he's going to degrade it. And then he's going to destroy it but he's going to manage it. There is reason for Americans to be confused.

GUTFELD: I think what we really need, and America has to take a page out of ISIS and start creating our own scary as hell propaganda.

GUILFOYLE: I agree.

GUTFELD: Why can't we go back to the way we did with Desert Storm, where we showed these PowerPoint presentations of people getting annihilated.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: It's time for us.

GUILFOYLE: There's some of those on YouTube.

GUTFELD: It's time for the United States to go, "OK, this is what happens when you do this. We destroy you." The problem is these guys want to -- they want to be martyred, so it's not a big deal.

PERINO: How about the underwear bomber video. Remember the underwear bomber video.

GUILFOYLE: Why don't we accommodate them, Greg. I am so happy to accommodate them.

BOLLING: The 72 virgins are waiting for you guys.

GUILFOYLE: Line up.

PERINO:  I have a better idea. Remember? We create a video that shows a mishap.

BECKEL: Oh, yes.

PERINO: And that you get to heaven and then you don't have your you know what.

BECKEL: That's two "you know whats," Dana?

GUILFOYLE: That's a little racy.

BOLLING: All right. We're going to leave it there.

PERINO: You know what.

BOLLING: Next on "The Five," your mid-term poll position update, and it's not looking good for Democrats, Bob. Stay tuned.

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PERINO: The mid-term elections are less than nine weeks away, and a new battleground poll from George Washington University shows the GOP with a strong edge. In states with a competitive Senate race, Republicans hold a 16-point advantage over Democrats.

And on a generic ballot, they've got a four-point lead, 46 to 42 percent.  Now, the reason that's important: in 2010, a year when the Republicans won enough seats to take back the house, the closest they ever got on the generic battle was dead even. So that, I think, is significant.

Bob, you had a chance to talk to one of the pollsters today. I did yesterday, but I like your take. You're always good on this stuff.

BECKEL: I think -- I think you have to worry about, and all the interventions that I've looked at over my career, there certain things that are just givens. They're not -- it's not theory; it's math. And the math is that the intensity factors have generally, by Labor Day tend to be consistent, and so if they're consistent the way they are now, that is a real problem.

The other thing is that the Democrats find themselves for the first time, I think, in a long time without an issue at all to go into this with.  There's plenty on the Republican side. And so when you get down to talking about minimum wage and Social Security will be next, you've got some problems.

But the other real problem here is that let's remember that most of these people who are up for re-election now won in a landslide victory for Obama in states where they should not have won.

And so this country has a tendency to correct itself. And so if I were the Democrats, my own numbers now are for 52 and 53 for the Senate. I don't think the House is going to be that big, but it could change.

But the problem is that after Labor Day, there's very little here that moves things around. And the idea -- I said yesterday trying to not nationalize this election. This election has been nationalized, and there's very little you can do to turn that around. There may be one or two that survive it, but there may be one or two surprises.

So I'm not at all optimistic. I would like to be, but I'm not.

PERINO: All right. Eric, what is your takeaway from this poll?

BOLLING: So as you get closer, I think we would drill down into the individual races a little bit better. Let's stay a little lofty here on this for a second.

Herd psychology, when things start to happen and snowball and momentum starts to build, it's very real. You think about in stocks. All of a sudden everyone likes a stock and they all pile in. You think about, in sports betting, the lines can actually move.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: Nothing's ever changing. Everyone says what does he know. Let's get in, too.

Steve Schmidt this morning said something smart. Now I don't like him for some of the things that went on with Sarah Palin and whatnot. But he said something very, very smart. He says he sees this as a wave election, and it will be such a wave that it will carry races like Ed Gillespie in Virginia, who probably was an underdog, into a victory. And I think that makes a lot of sense.

PERINO: I don't know. Ed Gillespie and I are close friends, so I hope that he wins.

BECKEL: That would be -- that would be -- that would be the kind of way that it's not. There's not enough water out there to make a wave that big.

PERINO: Let me ask you, Greg, on immigration. I think that this week we saw the president's team behind the scenes say they were going to do something on executive -- through executive order.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: And they said they weren't until after the election, so I think that immigration was actually working against them on the campaign trail.

GUTFELD: Well, this is where I disagree with Bob. Bob says they don't have any issues. They do have issues here, just wrong on every side of them. So the only way a Democrat can win on things like immigration is to act like a Republican, which makes you ask if they -- why didn't they -- why don't they decide to act that way all the time, not just before an election?

Ask yourself if this is how constituents want you to be at election time.  Perhaps they should just be that all the time. Like a child is suddenly acting good around Christmas. Why don't you act good every single damn day of your life?

BECKEL: The electorate that's just going to be there wants you to be like that. Overall electorate does not.

GUTFELD: Don't -- don't just cross-dress. Get the sex change.

PERINO: Yesterday or today, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who is the head of the Democratic National Committee...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, boy.

PERINO: ... was in Wisconsin. She's campaigning against the incumbent governor, Scott Walker, who's actually doing quite well in the polls.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

PERINO: This is how unhinged some of the Democrats are becoming. This is the leader of the Democratic Party, chosen by Obama. "That Scott Walker has given women the back of his hand. I know that is dark. I know that is direct. I know that is reality. What Republican Tea Party extremists like Scott Walker are doing is they are grabbing us by the hair and pulling us back."

GUILFOYLE: How sad.

PERINO: "It's not going to happen on our watch." What do you make of that?

GUILFOYLE: Inflammatory abusive rhetoric. That shows how bad they know it is for them.

PERINO: I agree.

GUILFOYLE: You send her out there. She's acting like a political hack.  She has nothing to substantiate those comments which are quite egregious that she's making. I think it's sinful when women make comments like that and accuse men of false crimes against them, basically being a misogynist and having no regard for women or the advancements that we have made.

Very irresponsible of her. Shows they'll say anything to win. And just real quickly, this is why Obama is pivoting again to domestic issues, because all the polls across the board show he's underwater when it comes to the economy and all these crucial issues that they need to run and win on.

BECKEL: The gender gap has always been overstated. It is a gap between married women and women who are single and who are minority women.

PERINO: And it's a huge gap. That's a huge gap.

One of the races that some people thought could actually be in trouble was the minority leader, Mitch McConnell in Kentucky, but a poll just came out right before the show, several of the polls, but one of them a CNN poll, 50 percent, he's ahead of her -- his opponent, Grimes.

OK, ahead. How young is too young for kids to have cell phones? We're going to find out if Greg actually has one. One company is actually making them for 5-year-olds. We'll tell you who next.

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BECKEL: Yes. A lot of parents like to keep tabs on their kids by giving them cell phones to use when they are not at home. But what about for kids as young as 5? Do they really need them?

Sprint just made a special one for them, and those kids are up to 12 years old called a WeGo device, whatever that means.

All right. Eric, you've always worried about your kid with a cell phone.  What do you think?

BOLLING: I think he got his first cell phone at 10. It was -- it seemed OK, and I'm not sure what other things -- I think kids need to be in contact with their parents. I mean, there's a lot of crazy people out there. I don't have a problem with it, bottom line.

BECKEL: I had -- I had -- I didn't have cell phones stuck on them from the time they were young but I did have...

GUILFOYLE: You put -- you put a GPS.

BECKEL: I put a GPS in their cars, yes. I mean, they didn't know about it, and they're not very happy about it.

But I think there's a certain advantage of it. And the other thing that bothers me, it does hurt them socially, because they don't talk to each other. You know, they sit there and they text, and they don't know how to write.

GUILFOYLE: They don't know how to write?

BECKEL: They don't.

GUILFOYLE: What do you mean?

BECKEL: Have you ever read that stuff? It's not correct.

GUILFOYLE: They text.

GUTFELD: It hurts them socially if they don't have one. If they're in a classroom and everyone else has a phone, their life is over. But I think it's great, because it shuts them up. Remember the old phrase. I think it was Aristophanes. Kids should be seen and not heard.

Once you give them the phone they never talk. They're too busy going like this. The day they're born they should get it. It's easier than for us to steal their bicycles and their candy. But the fact is, it shuts these brats up.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

BECKEL: What did you think about when kids have cell phones in classrooms?  What do you think about when kids have cell phones?

GUILFOYLE: You should be focused on your academics. Check your cell phones at the door or in your cubby or something like that. But I'm not opposed to children having at a certain age -- and I think it has to be specific to that child. The parents have to make a decision about their maturity and how responsible they can be.

You can program a phone, have a lot of limits on it, and they can just like call home or 911 or Angry Birds on it.

BECKEL: You can also get on the smart phones a lot of the material that you would not normally want them to see.

PERINO: But this is made specifically for kids, so I think that the market is answering a demand. Besides, how many kids do you see everywhere, they're on their parents' phone playing a game.

GUILFOYLE: Constantly.

PERINO: Might as we will have their own.

BECKEL: Yes, you're right about that. Well, they're here to stay.  Nothing you can do about it. "One More Thing" is up next.

GUTFELD: All right, Bob. What energy.

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GUTFELD: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Dana.

PERINO: OK. So you know I'm a big fan of sports.

GUTFELD: Really?

PERINO: And there is the basketball world cup, like the world cup thing of basketball. The world hoop thing that is happening in Spain, but you've got to see this because our team, the USA, was playing New Zealand. New Zealand decided to do a little traditional war dance for them before they got started.

GUILFOYLE: So hot.

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PERINO: OK. So great -- I give them points for style, but the USA still won, 98-71.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. We don't intimidate easily, Dana.

GUTFELD: No.

PERINO: At least not on the basketball stage.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

But let me tell you about my favorite warrior that just came in to the world, yes. And momma did her job well. God bless Jenna Lee and Lace (ph); had a beautiful baby boy, Brian Mark Babbin, born in the early morning hours of September 3, weighing in at 7 pounds 11 and a half ounces, 20 and a quarter inches in length. Jenna, you beat me. Well done.

He is named Brian after his grandfather and father, and he is the third Brian Babbin, so they are calling him Trace, which is super cute. And his middle name, Mark, is in honor of Mark Allen Lee, who is a Navy SEAL teammate of Lace (ph) and friends. Very close friends. And he was killed in action in Iraq on August 2, 2006.

Jenna is doing fantastic. So is Trace. And just feast your eyes on that beautiful baby boy. And I'm wondering what he's doing with his first moments of life, if we could take the next picture, please. He's watching "The Five."

GUTFELD: Turning the...

GUILFOYLE: That's great.

PERINO: Scaring that child to death. That's what...

GUILFOYLE: I know. I hope he didn't look at Bob too long.

Anyway, congratulations to the happy family.

BOLLING: Yes. Congratulations, you guys. Awesome, awesome stuff.

OK. So if you love dogs and you love video like we do, check out this new GoPro item. It's just...

PERINO: Oh, I want this.

BOLLING: Yes, it looks -- it's fantastic.

GUTFELD: Just what we need.

BOLLING: He was strapped, this guy Walter, a little dog named Walter, was strapped with a GoPro. It's a harness. It's called Fetch. And look how fun this is. Can you imagine how much fun Jasper would have?

BECKEL: The helmet people?

BOLLING: No, no, it's a camera on Walter's back, and he can go in the water. It's fantastic. By the way, GoPro, go underneath.

GUILFOYLE: You have to get this for Jasper.

BOLLING: If you don't have a GoPro or if you don't have GoPro stock, even better, you probably should look into it. Everything is going to go GoPro.

GUILFOYLE: That's awesome.

GUTFELD: I actually have a GoPro for my GoPro. It's amazing.

All right. Time for this.

GUILFOYLE: What an innovator.

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GUTFELD: I hate these people!

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GUTFELD: So this video, this video is about two years old. Here you have a bunch of people putting a ladder in a Dumpster, helping a couple of little baby bears, cubs, if you will, to climb out of a trapped Dumpster.  Pretty adorable, huh?

Well, now that was two years ago, so imagine the size of those cubs now and the fact that they can eat you. I hate these people! All right -- Bob.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. You like anything that's a baby.

GUTFELD: I had my son here for the weekend, and he said something, which is why I started the show the way I did, about whether he had to get up every day and worry about terrorists.

And I said to him that I think that this country is well prepared for this, and you ought to go about living your life, son. Play football. Enjoy the fall; grow up and be a good kid. And I know you will be.

This is not Hitler. This is not Stalin. This is ISIS. They'll be beaten.  They'll be beaten quickly. So don't waste a second of your time worrying about it. Let us big adults who think we know what we're talking about talk about it.

GUTFELD: All right. Nice one, bob.

Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." "Special Report" up next. See you tomorrow.

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