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Michael Brown remembered at funeral with calls for justice

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 25, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello everyone I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Bob Beckel, Jesse Watters, Andrea Tantaros and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Today, more than two weeks after the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, a funeral was held for him. Big crowds turned out for the service including civil rights leaders like Jesse Jackson and children of the late Martin Luther King. Celebrities like Sean Diddy Combs and Spike Lee were also there and so were three members of the Obama administration. And then there was, of course, Al Sharpton who delivered the eulogy and use the platform to, once again, preached social change.

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AL SHARPTON, CIVIL RIGHTS: This is about justice! This is about fairness! America, it's time to deal with policing. Blackness has never been about being a gang or a thug. Blackness was no matter how low we were squish down, we rose up anyhow. The (inaudible) this boy's life must be answered by somebody. Justice is going to come! Justice is going to come! Justice is going to come!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: That was the eulogy, just saying, you know, in case anyone was confused by the tone there. But Andrea what are your thoughts, reflections on this?

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: It's just so sad, the funeral in general. It was just a very, very sad day but the tone of Al Sharpton I thought was way off pitch. I mean, it was really shocking and surprising. He took a very anti-police tone. It wasn't to me, if I were eulogizing Michael Brown it wasn't the way I would have eulogized. That young boy, I would have done it in a different way. He clearly was doing it for the benefit of himself which is clearly Al Sharpton. And this isn't a problem of policing. I mean, I'm sure there's instances that Sharpton can point to here and there, we don't know the facts of this, Sharpton still doesn't the know the facts of this, and the truth of the matter is more blacks are being gunned down by other blacks. It's not police killing blacks, it's blacks killing other blacks. And I think Al Sharpton would have really wowed the crowd if he would have just stuck to the legacy of Michael Brown and taken a more positive and more realistic message about the problems that are pleading (ph) the black community, the lack of father. And what effect that's having on young black men and black women. I mean, the breakdown of the American family isn't just in the black community either. It's in the white community, it's in Hispanic community. This is a nationwide problem. But Sharpton and others, they don't wanna talk about it. They don't wanna talk about reality. They wanna talk about messages that will pad their pockets.

GUILFOYLE: Greg. 

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah. I mean, this is Al Sharpton's Emmys. I mean, he chases cameras like Bill Clinton chases women. You know the -- Michael Brown's father called for a day of silence, which I thought was great. I would have pushed for a month or maybe even a year. The proportion of opinion to fact is so lopsided it's amazing that CNN just doesn't fall right over. But I think this is one of those instances where I do see an improvement in conversation and I hate that phrase but it seems to me, people are starting to embrace other opinions. Black communities maybe more willing to listen to black conservatives and moderates and less to the noxious white left that disguises burdens as help and ends up destroying and undermining their communities. For example, we keep talking about things like, you know, why aren't certain communities black and why are police white? And then they stop there. But they never actually go a step further and go, why is that? Why is that? And so I did my own homework on the fact that the San Antonio Spurs in 2013 had 10 players not from the United States, that doesn't represent San Antonio. The NBA in 2013 is 72 percent black, 20 percent white. The Pacers are 92 percent black. Does that reflect Indiana? These statistics are jarring but you have to take the next step and discuss why these statistics happened? How come young blacks don't want to be cops? Is it hard to find black applicants? Do they not want to be good at such negative connotations of black -- of policing that they don't want to be cops? How do you change that? Are blacks becoming officers and then leaving those cities? Who knows? But the fact is, we've got to get away from this duopoly of race, you know, protesters and non protester and start talking about the underlying issues then you made progress. And we are seeing new voices. We're seeing people that we didn't see before. Less Sharptons, more Ron Johnsons.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Good. So, Bob, your family has had quite a history of working in the civil rights with leaders. What do you think about today and the tone?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, you know, this is the one place that I'm gonna give Sharpton a bit of a break. I've been pretty tough on him over the years. But you've got to understand that in this community, they believe the facts are in. The average black believes this guys was -- this kid was murdered. It's not -- forget the facts. And this is what they believe. And it's in funerals like this, in situations like this in the black community in my experience where the steam gets off. Where you can go give that kind of speech like that and, you know, it's the same thing, Martin Luther King the one he used to do the repetitive line when he ended a speech. And I think that's what he was going towards. I hear what I Andrea say (ph) I think the kid -- there could have been a different kind of eulogy but I think for that audience it probably was the right one. Now, having said that, I think that it's time for Al to pack his bags and head back to MSNBC. We don't need any more of this in this town. Let's just bury this kid now, do it and let him rest in peace.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Jesse, at a certain point is he doing, you know, more harm than good because then it becomes more about Al Sharpton and less about the funeral and properly respecting the loss of life.

JESSE WATTERS, FOX NEWS: Right. I respect the message he said today. I don't know if I respect the messenger. Because if you look what we have here is Al Sharpton, he's getting paid NBC News. Comcast owns NBC News. Comcast is huge democrat donors. I think the CEO plays golf with President Obama, he's going out there and he is the man on the ground for the White House. And NBC News host. The National Action Network is tax exempt organization is coordinating fundraising voter registration for this whole operation strategizing about the media and the legal game, totally inappropriate. If this was the Bush administration and Fox News had a host out in the scene like this and they were pulling all these kind of high jinx. I think all hell would break loose. And the point now is NBC is getting ratings because of this, Sharpton's profiting and democrats are registering voters and I think it's totally inappropriate to Sharpton's point.

BECKEL: You know, if I could get a buck for every time we say amount this table, this was the Bush administration.

TANTAROS: Because it's true.

WATTERS: Wait. You're the first one though to say, well, it's Bush's fault.

BECKEL: No, no, no. That's not fair. I have not -- Bush has been gone too long, you know.

WATTERS: OK, really? OK. I will hold you that, that's six years.

GUILFOYLE: Let's have a little bit of decks (ph) to position. So you have on one hand, you have Al Sharpton. Then on the other hand, you have somebody like Ben Carson who I think has tried be (inaudible) he's been a pivotal leader as well in terms of black community and here's how he sees it. Take a listen.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

BEN CARSON, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: You take a group of young men and you raise them with no respect for authority, not learning to take on personal responsibility, having easy access to drugs and alcohol, they are very likely to end up as victims of violence incarceration. It has nothing to do with race.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: OK, Greg, you were touching on this.

GUTFELD: Well, yeah. I mean, it's good to see more conservative voices out there. They have to move beyond Fox. They have to be on other stations and they have to be able -- they have to be allowed to speak in other areas where previously they weren't. Most of the enemies of black conservatives aren't blacks because if you look at polling, blacks tend to be pretty conservative in areas that, you know, because they tend to be more religious. It's the white liberal that can't stand the black conservative because it's the black conservative who poses a direct threat to their ideology, the ideology that has poisoned their communities with high taxes, and unions, and crappy schools. Bob, I know you're laughing.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. How do you respond?

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: You made a few comments.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Listen, here's something to be said, though, about the black conservatives. You know, I was taken when -- what's the guy's name -- he's always on Hannity, the senator from Kentucky? What's his name?

GUTFELD: Rand Paul.

BECKEL: Rand Paul. Rand Paul. Sorry. I'm sorry.

GUILFOYLE: And he's so many (inaudible). 

BECKEL: No, no, no, no. Rand Paul went to Howard University to give a speech and he took a lot of courage to do it. And he said a good message. He was in Detroit. I think these black conservatives ought to go out and do it. I don't -- you don't find republican politicians going into black communities. They can get plenty of forum believe me. There are plenty of black churches out there that would love to have a white politician up there talking to them. But they won't go, they don't wanna go. You know, the courage to go. You're not gonna say... WATTERS: But you would think Allen West or Ben Carson has ever been to a black venue and spoke about black issues? Of course they have?

BECKEL: No, no, no. But what I'm saying is that they need to be -- there needs to be more of that taking place. I mean, part of this (ph) is an example here but it's not -- I can guarantee there a lot that have not been there.

TANTAROS: Well, I actually agree with you, Bob. Chris Christie that's how he was reelected in New Jersey, he went to neighborhoods where he was basically booed with people saying, I'll never vote for you, right to his face. And what are you doi3ng here. And he spent the time to actually convince voters why he cares about them. I mean, he has a lot of guts. But we know he's got a lot of guts and goes into these neighborhoods. I agree with you there. Ben Carson also made a point over the weekend where he said, I have seen cops use excessive force in certain situations and I do believe and I've said it right here, there is an issue with the police forces, not all of them, some of them, not New York City for sure, but some police forces that have viewed this citizenry as the enemy instead of becoming part of the citizenry. I think that's a definite debate that we need to have. But Ben Carson said that the police have also helped out a lot in these situations. And I think what they're doing in Chicago, the way Rahm Emanuel and the chief of police are lying and fudging the murder numbers in the windy city trying to pat themselves on the back. Because seven less people have been gunned down in the street in last year, why? Because people whose have become worse shots or because technology is better and more people are being safe? They are lying, Bob. Because more people have been shot, there are more shooting victims but Chicago doesn't want to count shooting victims. That they use fuzzy map, it's another Chicago-style cover-up and if I were in the black community, I would be furious that they are trying to snow us about who is getting murdered.

BECKEL: I don't know if a few (inaudible) can appreciate that. But Ben Carson, an interesting story about him, he admitted that he had stabbed a guy. And it was only for the guy -- the fact that the kid had a buckle being on belt (ph) that the kid survived. But Carson went on to say, but my mother made me read books. And when Ben Carson was coming up, the black community was much different. There was a family structure, there was more discipline. And today, the numbers and percentages of young black men growing up with two adult households are incontestable. So -- but I think Ben makes a very good point. You need to get that. But how the question, Greg did raise these issues exactly right, how do you get to that? I mean, I know the problems. I understand it. I understand we as liberals went too far in giving opportunities with all -- between dependency, but we can't create black fathers to stay home. We can't create women to not get pregnant. I mean, it's far more complicated I think than we give it credit for.

GUTFELD: But it's also like Andrea said it's not a black problem. It's a white problem.

BECKEL: Yeah. That's true. That's true.

GUILFOYLE: It's our problem as the country.

GUTFELD: Well, it's not my problem. It's not my problem.

GUILFOYLE: Except for Greg, except for Greg. Although he could...

GUTFELD: I have enough problems. I can't solve this one on my own.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: You have 99 problems.

GILFOYLE: We can't talk about that all to one.

WATTERS: But it is a little bit about race. I actually disagree with a little bit what Ben Carson said. There's a story out in Salt Lake City where there was a black cop and he shot to death an unarmed white man. Have you heard about that? No ones heard about that.

GUTFELD: The interesting thing about that story is the white man was -- I think he was wanted for something. But you don't hear anything about this story. So, the race component is more about the media.

WATTERS: It's about the media. You're absolutely right because they profit from it and divide and polarize from it.

GUILFOYLE: But there are people who also generate this. And that's the problem. I don't think it's helpful at all and in fact it creates a whole disproportionate reality that hen works people at. When you have people like Al Sharpton, if he really cared, he could do it in so much of a better way to bring people together instead of always looking where the divide is.

WATTERS: Well, he talks down to people because I think it's cool -- if he doesn't talk down to people, if he did, I don't think he'd have the street cred and he needs the street cred to stay profitable.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, where the divide is, the dollar is.

WATTERS: Right exactly. And going be back to what you say, in New York City 25 percent of the population is black. Two-thirds of the violent crimes committed by black people. And you have a lot of shooting taken place in these black neighborhoods. So, all of these cops rush into these neighborhoods, you know, when you call the cops, you're not saying, I want a white cop, I want a black cop. You're calling the police.

TANTAROS: You want help.

WATTERS: ...and someone's gonna go there to help you. A lot of times these cops are coming into these neighborhoods to help these black people, you know, to protect them and serve them.

TANTAROS: Well, in last year in Chicago, one of the big issues was that the cops were literally afraid to do their job because every time they were try and attempt to arrest the black teen, they had a lot of violence and riots in the streets and to impose a curfew. The ACLU would get involved and try and sue these police officers. So, you have police officers that don't have the backing of the city. They're scared they're gonna get sued and that's their livelihood. They don't wanna die, they don't wanna loose their pension, they don't wanna loose their job. They can't afford to go court and stand to provide for family. So, Greg's right. I mean, this -- it's these traditionally the white liberal groups that do this for political gain.

BECKEL: Now, that's not fair. There's a lot of people who where not Al Sharpton of the world that do this thing because they really believe that they're doing the right thing. Then you might not agree with our approach in things, I don't even agree with a lot of it that I used to believe in. But most liberals really do care about this. They are not Al Sharpton. He's not a spokesman for the rest of liberal community, you know, he gets out there.

WATTERS: So, why aren't the white liberals in Chicago?

BECKEL: What?

WATTERS: So, why aren't the white liberals in Chicago? Why a thousand white reporters go to Ferguson then none of them go to Chicago.

BECKEL: Well, because they are afraid to go to a community where there is a gang war going on over drugs.

GUILFOYLE: I just wanna get Bob a compliment. It's very nice a-block, Bob.

BECKEL: Oh, thank you.

GUILFOYLE: I found you to be reasonable and almost appealing.

(CROSSTALK)

WATTERS: That's a bit...

GUILFOYLE: I love it. I love it. Yeah. Well, you're making sense.

BECKEL: I don't know about appealing. That's a compliment (ph) right here.

GUILFOYLE: Next on The Five, investigators may be closing in on the terrorist who execute American journalist James Foley. The identity has emerge of the prime suspect. It's someone with ties to Bin Laden, Greg got the details ahead. And later, an update on that terrifying earthquake in California, stay tuned.

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GUTFELD: It's time for... Today I ask, what happens when you dismiss the devil yet the devil continues to grow? I speak of ISIS, a fight we don't want but a fight that wants us. Is wanting war on them actual war mongering? Not these days. If you think concern for the survival of our world is war mongering, then you gravely misunderstand the purpose of our nation's defenses. The belief that war must be wage does not require the believer to be a soldier. Let's simplify, would you not call the police because you never served as a cop? Do you need to be a fireman before you pull a fire alarm? It's that logic that involved this evil. The point of our military is to act with ruthless efficiency against proceed dangers, that's it, and our military didn't just stumble into this lifestyle. They actually chose it. I suppose for a media obsessed with a grievance, it's hard to understand that kind of service. I ask those who repeat no boots on the ground like it's some kind of talking ahead threats, why are we telling evil what we won't do? When you say it's not our fight to those whose only goal is to fight, who exactly are you pleasing? The very animals who find solace in our suffering. The time for binge watching homeland while surfing web for Kardashian's butt is over. The wolf is knocking at the door and he's hoping that we don't answer. It's time that we do.

GUILFOYLE: Agreed.

GUTFELD: So, KG, General Jack Keane said on, I think it was Fox Ed, probably need air power to track base of the Islamic state and let everybody else finish the job. Do you think that's possible without having to go down there and finding these guys?

GUILFOYLE: No, no. It's not possible. And, in fact, that's happening right down. So, when people say over and over, and yell on my face all crazy, you want boots on the ground, like that, that threats you were talking about, come on, we have operational forces on the ground right now. That's why we we're able to get the Intel and know where we can hit these targets, OK? And strike with efficiency and deadly force. They're gonna have to this strikes in Syria, they gonna to do it in Iraq. You've got to get the job done completely because otherwise they'll just change the letterhead and it will be a different group or a different name. But this is a substantial effort that they have forward right now in terms of ISIS. This cannot be ignored. I think they have everybody's attention now. I certainly hope that the White House finally gets it. So now what you're seeing is a lot more special operations of forces groups that are going in there. They've got -- now we're working with the UK and with MI-6 and MI-5 to go in and conduct these operations and specifically go in and take out the top command structure. That I think is gonna be very important coupled with the air strikes. You can't just do one thing over and over again and expect to get the job done right. It's much more complicated than that.

GUTFELD: Hey, Bob, I want to play you this -- Dan Rather, was on a network called CNN, not sure you've heard of it, talking about the idea of calling for boots on the ground.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAN RATHER, AMERICAN JOURNALIST: My first question to anyone who is on television saying we have to get tough, we need to put boots on the ground, we need to go to war in one of these places is, I will hear you out if you tell me you are prepared to send your son, your daughter, your grandson, your granddaughter to that war overt you're being the drums (ph). If you aren't, I have no patience with you and don't even talk to me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: So if I get -- it's an eloquent statement. It's sincere but it's not right.

BECKEL: Well, listen, I was having a meeting -- well, of course, if you know, you would have been invited, which is a liberal meeting this weekend. There's a group of liberals being...

TANTAROS: Sounds really fun.

(LAUGHTER)

TANTAROS: The whole city is one big liberal meeting every day.

BECKEL: As you can imagine, I get a bunch of crap when I walk into those meetings and it occurred to me, when were talking about, we don't want to go back to war in Iraq. This is not a war in Iraq. This is not the Iraq war. This is a war against the caliphate that has made the decision that wants to attack the west. Now, having said that, there is oppression for not having to put boots on the ground and that is put Intel on the ground for Special Forces like we did in the Balkans. We bombed the hell out of them, it took us about 18 months but they finally gave up. And I think that would be acceptable to the American people. It would be effective. Because otherwise, if we expect that we're going to bomb this thing forever and ever and ever, it ain't gonna work that way. I mean, somebody's got to pick up the man down there, we cannot carry this load on our own.

GUILFOYLE: But we are getting help now.

BECKEL: But I'm talking about Muslims, the Iraqi military.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, I agree. We have to get help from them.

BECKEL: And the Saudis would just get in it and, of course, they won't but they should get in it because they're the ones that most threatened.

GUTFELD: What scares me, Andrea, is this is the first time in history, I think, I'm not a historian, that religious extremism, radicalism, can marry now with nuclear weapons to actually achieve an apocalyptic vision. They use to able to talk about the apocalypse without succeeding. But all they need is a nuke.

TANTAROS: Yeah. It's very, very scary. And also we've learned that ISIS has drones. And so they are getting very, very savvy with their technology which they used to not be very savvy. But when you look at that terror week, the graphic that you had, this is a scary, murderous, Islamic cult. It's an Islamic murder cult.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

TANTAROS: I think we should stop calling them ISIS. I know that's what they call themselves. But it makes it sound like it's a flower or some kind of, you know, cold or something that you get. What is really disturbing to me, though, is -- and I actually do agree with Bob that we could launch a massive air strike, massive air strike and instead of boots on the ground being our young men and women with the boots on the ground, let it be the Kurds, the Iraqis and the Syrians. I mean, don't like Bashar al-Assad but I don't think we should have drawn that red line with him and then backed away because he, I mean, look, he is keeping them at bay. I mean, people keep saying the enemy of our enemy is our friend. It's kind of true in this situation that this...

GUILFOYLE: I wish he will do more because he's an evil guy.

TANTAROS: Real quick, over the weekend, one thing to have a lack of a strategy but, Greg, they can't even get on the same page, the administration. So, we have the CIA Mike Morrell warning that there's gonna be another 9/11 style attack or the potential for that. And then we have Dempsey, the joint chief coming out and saying, no I don't think that's true. And then walking that back out today. It's like, will the administration get singing off the same song sheet at minimum?

WATTERS: But it looks like the brass what they did was they talked to the politicians and they eased back on the warning because first they said it was the scariest thing that they'd ever seen, it was an apocalyptic threat. Now they're saying, oh, you know, that threats to the homerun. And who are we supposed to believe? Are we supposed to believe the same people that call ISIS Jay-Z (ph)? And it missed their whole...

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

WATTERS: Now we're supposed to believe that they are not an imminent threat? I don't believe...

BECKEL: There's not an intelligent person in this -- in our -- in the intelligence business not that they're saying this could be another 9/11 to cover their ass (ph). It's exact...

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: I think it's more than that, Bob. I think the have the intelligence...

WATTERS: OK. So then why are they...

BECKEL: They could -- and in fact it might happen. But I'm saying before, nobody -- before 9/11, nobody figured that. Now everybody figures...

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WATTERS: The administration is not all of a sudden predicting another 9/11. All of a sudden, now they are saying, wait, you know what, this is soft power that they are gonna use.

GUILFOYLE: That they look bad.

WATTERS: This is a regional thing. They don't have the capability or the desire to homeland. That's not true.

GUILFOYLE: And it's something that verbally CYA, it's another thing to legitimately cover...

BECKEL: Well, you forget about this administration's been bombing there for 30 days. I mean, this is not -- other stuffs was then (inaudible) but we've been in there fighting.

GUILFOYLE: And they should have done it earlier and they should have rescued the hostages when they have the opportunity too, when the Intel was press.

BECKEL: You're gonna hate me for this, but I think they're vastly overrated if they get superior forces against them.

GUTFELD: All right. Well, the point -- I think that it's a mistake to tell our enemy what we won't do.

TANTAROS: Correct.

GUTFELD: And rather, it's wrong. These guys are adults. They are adults. We are not sending children anywhere. These are adults that want to fight specially the combat unit.

TANTAROS: That's why he doesn't get it. But don't you think, they beheaded an American journalist. By now don't you think we would have at least killed 10,000 of those terrorists?

GUTFELD: Yeah.

TANTAROS: What are we waiting for?

BECKEL: From that's standpoint, vague (ph) we were killing in.

GUTFELD: Yeah, that's true. All right, ahead on The Five, some more controversy at this year's Video Music Awards and Miley wasn't the one causing it this time. Look you can clap your hands. Beyonce, as mother's day (ph), your VMA recap coming up.

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WATTERS:  President Obama's Martha's Vineyard vacation came to an end last night, and awaiting him back in D.C. are problems far greater than what club to use on his next golf shot.  From ISIS to immigration to Obama care and the economy, the president is faced with plenty of obstacles, and a lot of members of his own party aren't happy with how he's been handling them. 

Some Dems are grumbling just ten weeks after midterms, telling "The Washington Post" the president's approach to these conflicts spells, quote, "doom" for his party in November. 

OK.  So he's back from vacation.  We figured out what that two-day jaunt was.  He came back.  Everybody thought it was going to be amnesty, but he ended up going to the bachelor party of Sam Kass, the former White House cook.  Then he's coming back, and tomorrow, two fund-raisers, Andrea.  What's going on?

TANTAROS:  Hard at work.  It's his priority.

WATTERS:  That's right.

TANTAROS:  And he's going to focus on executive orders on immigration...

WATTERS:  Yes.

TANTAROS:  ... global warming and, because it's back-to-school time, banning cupcakes, because you know, cupcakes is the No. 1 enemy to kids out there.  That should be the priority. 

If you look at these Senate Democrats in their district, trying to campaign right now, they are in a full-blown panic, as documented by "The New York Times."  Some of them look so frenetic, it's like they're on crack.  OK?  Because Obamacare has destroyed one of the best healthcare systems in the country.  Iraq has collapsed in stunning fashion.  We have ISIS, this giant army riding around in our military tanks.  We have immigrants flying over the border, illegal immigrants, like they're going to Six Flags Great Adventure.  We have the NSA in our underpants.  I mean, what else is new?  And then we had Ferguson last week. 

If there was a Hollywood producer who put this in a story line for a movie, people would say, "It's not going to be believable, because all this bad stuff would never happen."  

WATTERS:  Let me pretend you're back in the White House right now, and you're advising the president on what to do.  So he's got immigration, the economy, health care.  He's all underwater.  He's all in the 30s, everything approval.  The international scene is a mess.  What do you tell the president to do to get things back on track?

BECKEL:  Well, I mean, I've advised the president before.  We went through a massive lost.  But the -- let me put it this way.  I would say, "You know, Mr. President, remember when I told you about ten months ago that Obamacare was going to be nothing in this election?"  Has anything heard anything about Obamacare?  No.  Immigration -- immigration is an issue. 

TANTAROS:  Back in the district. 

BECKEL:  No.  But it's just really not -- it's not polling.  Every pollster I talk, guys who used to be in polling, tells me it doesn't register. 

Now, immigration still registers.  Iraq slightly, but -- so in Obama's case, I think in the sixth year of the White House, my advice to him is, raise money and every president raises money to follow their party.  I don't care who it is.  And then stay away from -- from particularly red states. 

WATTERS:  Is this going to raise money and, OK, do it in private?

BECKEL:  Yes. 

WATTERS:  Andrea...

BECKEL:  Well, that's what they all do.

WATTERS:  Kimberly, Republicans are going to nationalize the election.  They're going to make this all about Obama.  Obama this.  The Obama brand is in tatters right now.  Is this going to be an easy pickup for the Republicans in the Senate or are they going to have to fight for this?

GUILFOYLE:  I would never say, easy because just when you think it couldn't get any better, the bottom drops out.  But look, this is -- look at the heading there, the most disconnected president that we have behind you.  It's really true.  He's so checked out.  What can you even say?  There's something seriously wrong with him.  Like he just doesn't get it. 

No.  I'm not kidding you, Bob.  You wouldn't like this job if you had to take care of him right now and all the things that he's done.  Name one thing that any of these Democrats can say has gone well that he has spearheaded.  Like, they don't have anything...

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL:  That -- here's the one thing you can say well.  They're going to be up against the Republican Party.  That's a good thing.

WATTERS:  That is true.  That is true.  There's definitely a chance to make them shoot themselves in the foot.

GUILFOYLE:  That's the problem. 

WATTERS:  Absolutely.  Now, he never does well in midterms, because he's not on the ticket. 

GUTFELD:  Right. 

WATTERS:  It's a personality driven candidate.  Are people going to come out and vote for this guy?

GUTFELD:  No.  He doesn't care.  I think he mistook the re-election for retirement, and he -- he's treating the White House like the PGA senior tour.  You know, he's going; he's playing some golf with his friends.  He's divorced the country, and he's moved out.  He's now living with his golf bodies. 

What's scary is his priorities, which are about as essential as a grad student majoring in gender studies.  What's hotter: global warming or global terror?  Global warming is based on hypothetical models but maybe with one degree centigrade over a certain amount of time.  Global terror could end this planet. BECKEL:  Global terror is caused by global warming. 

GUTFELD:  You're absolutely right. 

WATTERS:  Thanks, guys. 

Too much twerking leads to a wardrobe malfunction for Nicki Minaj at the VMAs, but her act was overshadowed by Beyonce, who confused a lot of viewers last night with very conflicting messages with her act.  Andrea has the details next. 

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TANTAROS:  Well, the 2014 Video Music Awards were held last night on MTV, and after last year's twerk-a-thon, Miley Cyrus was on her best behavior.  She might have even won some fans by having a young homeless man accept an award for her. 

Nicki Minaj took twerking to a new level and won a prize and could have won an award for the raciest act of the night, but then came along Beyonce.  But literally.  Mrs. Carter wanted everyone to know she's a feminist who believes in gender equality, but her over-sexualized performance of a song encouraging women to bow down left a lot of us very confused. 

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Feminist, a person who believes in the social political and economic equality of the sexes.

BEYONCE, SINGER (singing):  I know when you were a little girl you dreamt of being in the world.  Don't forget it, don't forget it.  Respect it.  Bow down, (EXPLETIVE DELETED).  Bow down, (EXPLETIVE DELETED).  Bow down, (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

(END VIDEO CLIP)   TANTAROS:  OK.  She sang "bow down" and then the "b" word, which I'm sure you can imagine.  Don't say it. 

GUILFOYLE:  No.

TANTAROS:  But Kimberly, during this performance last night, she had the word "feminism" on a big screen, and she was rapping.  Now, this is after she had all these women swinging around stripper poles and gyrating.  And the message was we don't teach our little girls that they can be sexual.  We don't teach them that they can achieve the same things as men. 

In what universe is she living in?  We teach our girls to be sexual.  That's half of the problem. 

GUILFOYLE:  Yes, I don't get it.  Isn't that what's happening?  It's fine.  It's great.  I mean, I think you can.  If you have a job, you can make money.  If you want to dance around on poles, you know, knock yourself out. 

BECKEL:  Look at you.  You did all that.  You're successful.  Come on.

GUILFOYLE:  You see what I deal with?  No, I did not have that job.  Just a delicatessen one. 

But you know what?  I liked the performance.  I think she's also auditioning for a future husband, to be honest for you, and making Jay-Z a little jealous. 

BECKEL:  So you've got -- a competitive field out there?  For No. 6?

You know, the only reason I was laughing was it sounds an awful lot like another -- I didn't say it.  I didn't say it.  You bleep it out.  This is - - come on, give me a break.  But Bounce-Bounce, whatever her name is...

GUILFOYLE:  Beyonce. 

TANTAROS:  Bow down.

BECKEL:  Bow down, bouncy?

GUILFOYLE:  Beyonce is her name.

BECKEL:  Bow down, Beyonce. 

TANTAROS:  No.  She was saying bow down and then a swear word that someone said on the set last week and got bleeped for it.  And I think she's talking to men.  She's not talking to women. 

BECKEL:  Oh, she is?

TANTAROS:  She's talking to men. BECKEL:  Nah. 

GUILFOYLE:  What does that mean, Bob?  Nah. 

BECKEL:  I know exactly what it means.  You know what it means?  What do you think it means? 

GUILFOYLE:  Somebody help.

BECKEL:  Shine my shoes?

GUILFOYLE:  Go to a commercial, please. 

TANTAROS:  Greg, what do you think?  Isn't she living proof that girls are encouraged, and they can achieve whatever they want; and they can be sexual?  I mean, the VMAs doesn't exactly have a problem encouraging women to be sexual.  Just think of Miley Cyrus. 

GUTFELD:  The greatest thing about pop culture is convincing women that acting like strippers is empowering. 

TANTAROS:  Yes.

GUTFELD:  It is absolutely empowering.  You're consumed by faith symbolism and hyper-sexuality disguised as freedom.  This is just a different kind of jail.  We're right now immersed in a country that is ran by the desires of 14-year-old girls.  It's been like this for decades. 

If you discovered a button that added two hours to your life, or two hours a day to your life, and you pushed that button.  And you would think, "OK, I have two extra hours of my day.  What could I do?  Could I write a book, start writing a book?  Could I write a screenplay?  Could I learn a language?"  No, you'd sit down and you'd watch the VMAs.  Because that's what sucks about our country, that we sit around and we watch this crap, because we passively absorb this garbage.  That's it. 

TANTAROS:  I passively absorbed the garbage last night when I came home.  I did enjoy some of it. 

GUTFELD:  I sound like an old man.

TANTAROS:  But Jay-Z -- Jay-Z came up on the stage.  I think that was a power room, to say, look, we're strong; we're together. 

She's using the "B" word in front of her little girl, Blue Ivy, in the audience, and wasn't this the same Beyonce that had the problem with the word "bully" or "bossy"?  Remember that campaign?  "Don't call me a boss."  But she can throw out the "B" word. 

WATTERS:  Personally I don't have a problem with Beyonce shaking around and doing the little stripper thing. 

BECKEL:  Yes.

WATTERS:  If she wants to do it, encore.  I'll watch that all day.

GUILFOYLE:  Yes.  And you are the father of twin daughters.

WATTERS:  Yes, but they're not watching this.  They're watching "Spongebob."  I mean, that doesn't matter.

BECKEL:  Dream on.

GUTFELD:  "Spongebob" is some kind of Satanist (ph).

BECKEL:  How do you know what -- what was that about mango or whatever the name was? 

GUTFELD:  Don't ever sponge Bob.

TANTAROS:  Nicki Minaj.

BECKEL:  It's Minaj?

GUILFOYLE:  It's you with gloves and a hat.

BECKEL:  What a name to carry around.

TANTAROS:  You know what, this segment is all turned around.

BECKEL:  Mango Mango.

TANTAROS:  Coming up next, we'll go live to the Bay area out in California for an update on the damage from that powerful earthquake and the threat of more aftershocks.  Stay tuned.

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BECKEL:  (UNINTELLIGIBLE), thank you.  We want to go to California, a state that suffered a major earthquake yesterday.  More than 200 people were hurt, and a good deal of damage in the Bay Area.  Let's check in with Adam Housley and that -- Adam. 

ADAM HOUSLEY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT:  Yes, Bob, in fact, there's still at least 90 different water mains.  A small -- a lot of them are smaller, but still they are leaking throughout this area.  And that's not good news, of course, for California.  We're in the middle of a major drought. 

You also have -- you mentioned over 200 people injured.  The good news is the two that were the most serious, we're told, are getting better. 

But as all of that happens, we're getting more assessment of the damage here, not only in Napa but parts of Sonoma, as well as Vallejo and nearby.  We're now in a winery called Papadella (ph).  And this winery is family owned.  When you think of Napa, you think it's a rich area; it's an expensive area.  But it's really blue collar. 

Take a look at here.  They're trying to salvage as many bottles as they can.  They basically had about 500 barrels come down on top of each other and on top of the case goods.  They're doing whatever they can to salvage some of the bottles.  They lost a lot of wine here.  They're doing what they can to save the wine that's still in the barrels, but they're getting some of these barrels.  They've got to first move all the cases out.  And as you can see, it's basically hand-on-hand going through this.  This will be probably a couple more days' worth to get them all done.

This gives you an idea, Bob, of the money that's lost here.  We're being told now the estimates are in the hundreds of millions of dollars.  Again, many of these wineries are family-owned.  They're small.  They employ 30 or 40 seasonal workers.  A lot of people out in the fields and driving cars.  And so it's not necessarily the fancy Napa you think of.  But Napa is recovering right now, Bob, and we have some time to go, still.

BECKEL:  Thank you very much.  By the way, we lost Greg when the story about the wine came out, so if you don't hear from him, he's having a fit. 

Now, listen, I have been through a very minor earthquake when I was in the Makiso (ph) in the Philippines.  I was on the 12th floor.  It's scary.  I mean, something starts moving like that.  You ever been through one of those? GUTFELD:  I never have.  I was shocked by something.  I saw MSNBC by accident today, and they had on Alexandra Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi's daughter.  And they were interviewing her: "What was your experience like, you know, suffering from this massive earthquake?" 

And she was complaining how she was at her -- Nancy Pelosi's estate vacation home in the Napa Valley and how it was a, quote, "tragedy" that all the vintage wine had been destroyed.  That was actually reported.

So you know, my heart goes out to all the victims, although let's put this in perspective. BECKEL:  OK.  Andrea, have you been in one?

TANTAROS:  An earthquake?

BECKEL:  Yes.

TANTAROS:  I was in the ocean when a small one happened in Greece. 

BECKEL:  It's scary.

How about you?  Of course, you were in California. 

GUILFOYLE:  I mean, come on.  All the time. 

BECKEL:  More than your four marriages.

GUILFOYLE:  There were two, and those weren't -- they weren't too shaky. 

BECKEL:  Were you there when they had the big one?

GUILFOYLE:  1989, 6.9 was the earthquake there.  That was really tremendous.  That was at the baseball game.  With my brother. 

But yes, they're very scary when you're in them, and I just want to say, and I've got a message from my cousin, lieutenant governor.  He says we really need to get the early detection system like Japan has and like Taiwan has so you can get a little bit more advanced notice.  Of all places, like we should have it in California.  It's very significant.  The threat that these businesses face, as well. BECKEL:  Yes.  Greg, did you know that the biggest fault -- the biggest fault line -- the biggest fault, it's not in California but it's New York City.  Did you know that?

GUTFELD:  I did not know that.  I was also in San Mateo during '89. 

You know what's interesting, though?  Compare the damage to countries in which similar quakes occur, where they don't have a system like we do, a system of capitalism, democracy.  Those cities cannot withstand a 6.0.  They're destroyed.  People die.  If you look at Haiti, you look at China. 

This is a reminder of how special and exceptional this country is, that we have a large earthquake.  The death toll is minimal.  It's because we know how to build things and we, believe it or not, have some regulation.

(CROSSTALK)   TANTAROS:  They do, but I want to speak to something more important, real quick.  NapaValleyWineries.com and NapaValleyVineyards.com are posting lists of all the family-owned wineries.  If you've going to buy wine in the next couple months, buy from a local business to try and... BECKEL:  That's very nice.  That's good they do it.  And again, give Greg that thing directly. 

"One More Thing" is up next.

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GUILFOYLE:  All right.  It's time now for "One More Thing."  Andrea, you're up. 

TANTAROS:  So two big stories from this weekend.  You remember the rapper that was in the car with Tupac Shakur, Suge Knight, well, he was shot over the weekend six times.  I guess they said, Jesse, he was shot six times and just walked out, moving on.  They said he's in very stable condition, but pretty surprising.  But yes, he is a very big figure in the hip-hop community.  It's just weird to hear that he was -- that he was shot because he's the one that was with Tupac when he was killed in Vegas. 

Also in Vegas over the weekend, Iggy Azalea, 99 problems, but it looks like she has more than just one problem here.  She fell off the stage during a benefit contest.  She laughed it off, but as someone who used to dance competitively, it's always a big fear.  She rebounded very well. 

GUILFOYLE:  Dancing is kind of dangerous. 

Greg, you're up.

GUTFELD:  That's why I retired early.  I couldn't handle it, you know. 

TANTAROS:  You fell off the stage?

GUTFELD:  I fell off the stage many times, and the wagon. 

BBC's Radio 2 compiled 100 of the greatest guitar riffs and had people vote.  They the Sex Pistols, Guns 'N Roses, T. Rex.  The one that they picked, No. 1 was "Whole Lotta Love" by Led Zeppelin, which is a great song. 

But they didn't choose mine, which was this one. 

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

(MUSIC: BLACK SABBATH, "PARANOID")

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD:  This is Black Sabbath, "Paranoid."  Probably the greatest riff of all time.  Ozzy Osbourne, come on. 

TANTAROS:  You know Ozzy Osbourne.

BECKEL:  Never heard of him. 

TANTAROS:  He bit the head off a bat.

BECKEL:  Oh, yes.

GUILFOYLE:  Oh, my gosh. 

WATTERS:  OK.  The Little League World Series, everyone's going crazy about this right now.  The CEO of the Little League wants to pay the players.  He's considering actually paying these little kids.  I mean, I don't even know how old these little kids are.  But they make about $80 million, about $25 million a year in revenue.  It's crazy.

My twin girls, I'm going to get them a bat, get them a glove, sign these girls up and make some dough.  There we go. 

BECKEL:  All right.  There you go.  I'm up here.  Seventy years ago this day, the allies marched into Paris and liberated France, and to this day, not enough Frenchmen appreciate the fact that we saved your butts, and you should be appreciative of it.  And we didn't go under the Vichy France, you know what I mean?

GUILFOYLE:  Now yet another war with another country Bob has.

Let's talk about something so cool and fun in New York.  How about whale sighting?  Fifty-two whales...

GUTFELD:  Boo.  Whales, overrated.   GUILFOYLE:  OK, look at that great shot.  So Gotham Whales, the group that tracks all the different whale sightings...

BECKEL:  In the United -- is that here?

GUILFOYLE:  In New York.

BECKEL:  In the city?

GUILFOYLE:  Yes, Bob. 

And so, OK, there's been 52 just this summer, which is really good news because obviously the water is clean enough and all the whales are...

BECKEL:  Thanks to the liberal policies.

GUILFOYLE:  ... coming back and reproducing. 

Thank you, Bob, for ruining that.

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