Washington wary of going to war with ISIS?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 22, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."


TANTAROS: Well, the battle against radical Islamists is stepping up as the Pentagon warns we may have to go into Syria to defeat them. ISIS savages who beheaded journalist James Foley are threatening to kill another American if airstrikes continue in Iraq, and I'm threatening to kill Bob if he does not shut off his cell phone.

Yesterday, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel issued a dire warning about the threat posed by the terror group.


CHUCK HAGEL, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: ISIL is a sophisticated and well- funded a group as we've seen. They're beyond just a terrorist group. They marry ideology, a sophistication of strategic and tactical military prowess. They are tremendously well-funded. Oh, this is beyond anything that we've seen.


TANTAROS: So, will Hagel's call bring us closer to the brink of war?

Strong language from White House adviser Ben Rhodes certainly makes it seem like a possibility.


BEN RHODES, DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: We certainly agree that any strategy to deal with the ISIL organization has to deal with both sides of the border, Iraq and Syria. And we've made very clear time and again that if you come after Americans, we're going to come after you, wherever you are, and that's going to guide our planning in the days to come. But when you see somebody killed in such a horrific way, that represents a terrorist attack, that represents a terrorist attack against our country.


TANTAROS: Ben Rhodes saying that the White House has made it clear over and over that they will come after ISIS and kill or anyone who threatens an American.

But, Eric, not such strong language out of the president this week at the press conference in Martha's Vineyard. Do you think the White House has the symptom mass to declare war on ISIS after this week's events?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: No, I don't think the White House -- this is something we talked about for a while, the Defense Department not lining up, I guess, ideologically with the White House, and for some reason now, the White House has decided they're going to play it soft. He did five minutes in Martha's Vineyard, but, John Kerry, who we saw this side as well, talking a tougher game than President Obama did.

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I'm really not sure why. Are they trying to, like, take care of their far left base and say, look, don't worry, we're still antiwar? Yes, but they realize that the Defense Department and the State Department thinks why this is a serious threat. We need to really take care of it.

So, here's the other issue, how do you do it? Now, everyone's like, OK, boots on the ground, boots on the ground, cut up the funding, don't, the -- it's come to me, all right, I think it's time to start droning the heck out of them, just comet the drone campaign, cut off the money. We talked a little bit about the money the other day. They have 80 -- they steal 80,000 barrels a day from Iraq alone. They also have another 50,000 barrels of oil from Syria.

So, we're talking 120,000 barrels a day. They can sell on the black market for half price. Maybe $50 a barrel. They're talking $5 million a day. They're well-funded.

So, what do you do? You go after them and, I guess, by all means necessary. I hate that -- look, you got to drone it, and if you have to have boots on the ground, I would be against it, but I guess maybe that's the best way to do it.

TANTAROS: Dana, what struck me today is that, again, the White House was on a different page than the Pentagon or then one of the cabinet agencies. You have Admiral Pickering today saying that we're going to continue to assess and monitor. Before, we've heard the president say this is just a jayvee team. Yesterday, Hagel said imminent threat. But we've seen this before even when it comes to Ukraine, right? Sanctions are working the president says, Vladimir Putin moves troops to the border --


TANTAROS: -- today, and they just don't seem to be on the same page.
Even we saw Hillary Clinton when she was at State say that al Qaeda was a threat, President Obama said that they were decimated.

Why such different messages?

PERINO: I think partly it's because they're not all in the same spot right now, and physically, and I -- one of the things I think the president could have done the other day would have been hard for them to make that decision, but I would have gone back to Washington, and I would have had the National Security Council meet in the White House, partly because I think they all just need to be in the same room and decide, OK, what is the vision, what are we going to say?

Because making sure that they're all saying the same things means a lot to us as Americans, but it's a very important message to our troops, to the intel community, to our allies, and to the enemy. So, you don't want to have any daylight between the two -- between any of them.

I thought Ben's comments today were great. I thought that's strength.
I like it. OK. Now where do we go from here?

So, I think that's a better job today of getting that on the right foot.

TANTAROS: Is it a problem when Ben Rhodes is giving tougher statements than the president?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, you know what? I have a problem with what Hagel said, this is like nothing we've ever seen before. That's horse poopy.

We have seen this before. This has been around for centuries -- 9/11, that happened, that's just as bad. The idea we have not seen this before, this is not new to anybody who understands the threat of radical Islam.
It's only new if you're been in a coma since 1998 or `94.

We need to worry less about optics and worry about -- be more concerned with options. It's time for America to be the crazy person on the subway that they are fearful of, that they are worried about.

You know, we've -- the last six years, we've been operating under a media academic complex, and it's failed us. Whatever happened to the military industrial complex, the military industry together do not fail.
It's time to reinvest in that.

We have to -- I have four solutions, four things to be done. We have to increase and not decrease the military, it's the best thing we do. You don't downgrade when you got somebody who wants to destroy you.

Number two, you got to reinforce the borders because as long as they are porous, anybody -- they don't have to fly planes anymore. They can walk. Champion and support intel, the role of intel, and the era of Snowden. We must accept spying as an adult reality, and we need to pursue pure energy independence, which is fracking and pipelines and nukes so we don't rely on these psychopaths anymore.

The fact is this is realigning our priorities. There's no downside to strength. We've mistakenly applied an "all in" mentality, the global warming, but we should be directing that to global terror.

PERINO: Or global warming won't matter.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's pointless.


TANTAROS: That's right.

Bob, another thing that struck me from the press conference today, Admiral Pickering said that we're going to continue with the limited strikes that they have been using, but President Obama has said those strikes were intended for humanitarian purposes to save women and children that you see the men, women and children.

So, what's the strategy? What's the mission? And he also said and I think he probably means this, but he said, quote, "We don't telegraph our performances," when asked what the United States prepared to do to attack ISIS.

And I thought, wait a minute, yes, we do, we actually telegraph exactly when we're going to punch or more likely than not when we're not going to punch by saying no boots on the ground or here's the pattern for troop withdrawal, this is how many people we're going to pull out and when we're going to do it. This is how we got bin Laden.

I mean, this is an administration that is constantly detailing what it's going to do.

BECKEL: Well, I received an interesting phone call last night from a friend who I consider the best guy in the intelligence community who said, "I watched "The Five" yesterday, Bob, and you're an idiot."


BECKEL: Now, I said --

TANTAROS: Was it Eric? That's something you would do.


I said, excuse me? He said, "Your assessment of this is about as stupid as one I've heard." Now, I said, let me explain this. Where you're right is the intelligence community and military do not agree on what they should do yet. There's still disagreement.

But he's very much -- he's a consultant to these groups. He thinks we need a Balkan-style operation, where you use intel, allies, bombing, continued bombing. And so, o you eventually, they wear themselves down, but an interesting idea.

He doesn't think that the -- beyond intelligence -- he does take the use special forces, but said about what -- why I was an idiot, as he said, and it still stings, Billy Boy, is that I didn't understand enough about the globalization of this group. That it had -- it doesn't have reaches globally, but people globally who reach into it.

Now, to the extent, he said, I'm to the sure they can reach back out again. I don't know that. He said, why take a chance on it?

So, I stand corrected on that. I -- when I hear it from somebody whose judgment I trust, I'll take it.

GUTFELD: That's why you don't take it from us.


GUTFELD: That is correct.

PERINO: Or the secretary of defense yesterday.

BECKEL: That's --well, that --

TANTAROS: So, you officially admit that they're not the jayvee anymore?

BECKEL: I don't -- I think they are a threat, a real threat.


BOLLING: Can I throw something out in the table hear? So, I heard President Obama time and time again since thing started or since the latest uprising with ISIS saying, no boots, no boots on the ground, and then you'll hear Chuck Hagel saying, we're going to need to do everything we can possibly do to make sure we eradicate ISIS, they're a global threat, something we've never seen before.

So, how do you line up when the White House is saying, talking on one side, will not -- I mean, emphatically no boots on the ground, and then his own Defense Department saying we need to be doing it. What do we suppose to believe?

We're sitting here watching these guys go, OK, so ISIS killing Americans. They say they're coming into America, they're coming after us, what the heck are we going to do?

TANTAROS: Don't you think there's probably disagreements, though, behind the scenes? I mean, it seems to me the Defense Department is fairly hamstrung when it comes to this situation between what they want to do and what they can do, and what the commander-in-chief is willing to do.

So, I get that. If he doesn't want to put boots on the ground, fine.
Rely on the Kurds, rely on the Iraqi army, do aggressive airstrikes, get a coalition, Dana. That's what President Obama is supposed to be doing good at going, coalition-building, but he's not even doing that.


PERINO: And actually, there's something that's happening in two weeks, that is a natural fit, and President Obama is going to the meeting.
It's the NATO meeting. It's taking place in Estonia, and President Obama will go there, and you wouldn't think of NATO as the place -- as the place where you find consensus to fight something in Syria. However, all of those NATO countries understand the real threat because we are threatened because of the Western passport holders, and by "Western," I don't just mean the United States, but all those countries in Europe as well.

So, that's a place to find a chance to actually sit down, not on Skype, or not on secure video, but to actually have a conversation with people and decide what is serious. I also think there's one other element that we have not mentioned here.

Bob, it's a good point that the intel and the military have different view points and different information, and that's why I would call the National Security Council together and start to build on that. But there's another entity we forget about, and that's Congress.

And just yesterday, the Government Accountability Office said that the White House violated the law when they did not inform Congress made the division to swap the Gitmo detainees for Bergdahl. They broke the law.
And the White House is kind of silent about it and the headlines and media was silent about it. Congress absolutely has a role in it.

And the president is going to expect buying in and support and help in funding for whatever sort of missions he decides to do, especially if it's just special forces, that boots on the ground that maybe people could accept, and he's going to need congressional buy-in as well, and right now, he does not have it.

BECKEL: Well, one thing, just to clarify this, and again, I go back to the friend, someone I do trust, is that there are people flying those planes that are not Americans. They are -- some of our allies that are involved in this. Obama has reached out to both Canada, Australia and South Korea, and Britain, and I believe they are actively involved in this trying very hard to do it in a way that maintains their capability -- their culpability rather. Somebody else said something to me last night, a former guy at the State Department who's said, you know, one of the problems of putting a lot of American military presence on the ground is, if you get other people to fight, which is this push on getting the Saudis to fight, some of these others who are directly affected by it, using U.S.
intelligence, U.S. arms, probably would be a pretty helpful thing.

GUTFELD: It is. But that's not the end game, that's not the solution. The solution here is to create a killing machine. America is the best at that, and there's so many positives, even if ISIS didn't exist, this is what we should be doing. It creates jobs, which is great for an economy, for military industrial complex, it enhances our security, which is incredibly important in this world.

The world is now the size of a phone booth. Anybody can get you. It eliminates death cults, good for the world. If you want to see what we can do in terms of killing is actually altruistic, for the betterment of our world. Getting rid of these ghouls is our duty and we're the only people who can do it.

PERINO: But that's President Obama doesn't believe that.


PERINO: Right? That was the whole point of this campaign.

BOLLING: Can I throw one -- throw a little firecracker on the table here, if -- yes, I would agree with you. And yes, by all means necessary, right? But he does it by going and not telling Congress, that would be considered all means necessary, and he's done it in the past, bin Laden kill, right? Congress didn't know about it until it was happening, right?


BOLLING: So, are we OK with him going around Congress by all means necessary, eradicating --


GUTFELD: Foreign policy, it's pretty much been done.

TANTAROS: What he's willing to do, he's gone around Congress to use drones.

BOLLING: My point is, and then we call him out.

TANTAROS: My issue is the one person that deserves to be killed, and I said this earlier this week, that ISIS terrorists deserve a bullet to the brain. Radical Islamists deserve a bullet to the brain. They're radical.
He wants to treat them like a criminal act.

He wants to bring back the man who beheaded James Foley, the murderous thug, and put him in court in the United States of America. To me, that tells us all we need to know about how serious --

BECKEL: You began this block by saying, do we want to go to war.

TANTAROS: All right. We've got to go, Bob.

BECKEL: The only thing, the fair war on nations --

TANTAROS: Directly ahead: even the left wing media is slamming the president for hitting the golf course immediately after addressing the brutal execution of James Foley by ISIS savages. Is Obama more driven to defy his critics and real world adversaries? Greg is going to break that down next, when "The Five" returns.


GUTFELD: So, even "The New York Times" is hitting President Obama over his golf addiction. According to paper, the president, quote, "long ago stopped worrying about what critics say, and after the outcry over Wednesday's game, he defied the critics by golfing again."

So, the president seems driven more by critics than common sense.
Maybe he wasn't planning on golfing after that grim press conference, but chose to because express concern that he would -- Dana.

Does Obama golf because FNC says not to? Does he do everything because FNC says not to? Once again, it's FNC derangement syndrome, afflicting those who are angry at FNC for being that one cheerleader who won't go to second base?

So, how do you get the president to do the right thing instead of the defiant thing?

Pull a Tom Sawyer and preach the opposite.

Mr. President, borders are yucky, let's `em all in ands have a slumber party.

Mr. President, let's hear more from Al Sharpton. He's a keen thinker and a real humanitarian.

Mr. President, fracking is bad. Windmills are good. Pipelines are deeply racist.

Mr. President, lay off the IRS. They're the real heroes. I can't wait until they enforce Obamacare.

Mr. President, keep listening to Val Jarrett, she's a pro.

Will the strategy work? Who knows? That's the thing. We don't know what O's thinking beyond golf, but he can't be in the sand trap forever, then again, maybe he could.

Andrea, is what Obama doing primarily to spite critics?

Sometimes I feel it is. It's like if we say, you should do this, he's purposely not going to do it. He's like a sullen teenager at times.

TANTAROS: I do think his behavior is passive aggressive. The more Republicans call for him to do something, he does exactly the opposite, and his spokesman today said that golf and the reason he golfs even though American journalist which was beheaded is, quote, "a good way for release and clearing of the mind." Which I just thought was outrageous to say.

So, maybe his people are on defense trying to spin it, but clearly the president doesn't care. We've always had a suspicion he doesn't care what the visual is of him, and you're right, I mean, during the commercial break, I was like, oh, he better not golf after this statement, he better not golf.

It was like eight minutes later, he's like, yes, they don't want me to golf, I'm going to golf.


TANTAROS: But I don't think he realizes how much it's hurting him and hurting the Democratic Party.

GUTFELD: Bob, you're an avid golfer.


GUTFELD: Should we stop criticizing him about golf so then he would stop golfing?

BECKEL: Oh, I don't think that will make him stop golfing.

BOLLING: That's a softball.


BOLLING: Put that over at the left field.


BECKEL: No, no, it's -- this is not new. From the very beginning, FOX News, you don't pay attention, but generally, he will go the opposite way people say. He'd been doing this in the beginning of his administration, it's not new. I think his decision to golf after that press conference was a bad one, but his decision to keep golfing, I think, is just fine.

I think he's trying to say, I'm going to do what I'm going to do here.
It's vacation, I deserve it, and he's going to continue to golf, and what if he played backgammon, I don't know.

GUTFELD: That's true. It could be worse, Eric. He could have a dorkier hobby, maybe this is good enough.

BOLLING: So, you hear the left and hear guys like the morning RINO and Mika in the morning say, wow, it's just a real plan of his, his plan is to show ISIS how cold he really is. He could golf while the family's crying in front of a press conference.

That's ridiculous. They weren't kidding. They're actually seriously kind of covering up for the ridiculous tone of the president took by going to the golf course.

Mark Levin says it was an addiction. I kind of related to that, I'm not sure --

GUTFELD: Where did he get that idea, though? Might have been from somebody saying that yesterday on the show? But I don't know --

BECKEL: I'm not saying who said what first, I'm simply y saying he said that.

I do think it's -- he doesn't care. He just is more concerned about
his personal life, his lifestyle. And that sounds cold but --

BECKEL: It is cold. That is really cold.

BOLLING: Bob, it's true. I mean, just point something out. Did he have to golf at that moment? We had just seen the beheading, we had just seen the family talking, he could have put -- he's had 170-something golf
games already. He could have put one off --


BOLLING: You keep doing this, Bob. You keep making excuses for the man time and time again. Enough. Just admit it once, OK? He's self- centered and cold.

BECKER: Would just be quiet for one second?


BECKEL: Thank you.

I said already today that I thought it was a bad choice to do it after the press conference. The idea that you should -- that the president of the United States cares more about his golf game than his country is -- which is essentially what you just said, is beyond me.

TANTAROS: But, Bob, his spokesman said it's a clearing of the mine.

Here's my point: when an American journalist is beheaded and another is held in custody and they're threatening to cut his head off, why do you want more mind cleared? I would not want to go somewhere to clear my mind.
I just think that's a really, really bad message.

BECKEL: So, you're agreeing with us that this is a guy that cares more about --

BOLLING: No, no. You're --

GUTFELD: I'm going to get Dana in here.

BOLLING: We will, but can you not clarify or classify what I said.

BECKEL: You just did that.

BOLLING: I'm saying he cares more about his golf game than America.
I'm saying he's a bad idea that he can go golf when things are really bad for America. I'm not saying he cares more about it, I'm simply saying he's terrible at --


BOLLING: Being tone insensitive.

GUTFELD: Dana, can you bring this to a close?

PERINO: Yes, I'll be very quick. Do you know who the happiest people are to go back to work next Monday?


PERINO: The White House press office.


PERINO: I think that I would have laid down in prompt of the golf cart and said run over me before you go on this course. You are not doing this.

GUTFELD: But if they run over, they wouldn't feel it. It would be a tiny speed bump.

PERINO: Yes, that's true. That's my short comment.

GUTFELD: What a short comment it is. That should be a segment.
Dana's short comments.


GUTFELD: That's an idea. Write it down, everybody. Short comments.

All right. Coming up, they are yelling at me now for no good reason.

A new report says Al Sharpton has become the administration's point person in Ferguson, and the media is quick to point out he's a changed man.
Why are the president and the press trying so hard to legitimize the Rev?
Details straight ahead.


BOLLING: Welcome back.

According to "Politico," the Reverend Al Sharpton is -- wait for it -- the White House's source for information and ideas on race in America.

Here are some of the comments emanating from the White House adviser on race.


REV. AL SHARPTON, ACTIVIST: Michael Brown is gone. You can run with every video you want. He's not on trial. America's on trial.

How can the young folks of the city believe in a system that would try to spit on the name and character of a young man who has not even been buried?

You got inches in this city, and the reason folks are outraged is when you keep pressing people down, anything will make them open up their minds.


BOLLING: White House adviser, allegedly.

Greg, Valerie Jarrett really likes this guy.

GUTFELD: This whole story line he's a changed man, he's dropped the weight, but he hasn't dropped the freight. When you look the Tawana Brawley, the deaths from Freddy's Fashion Mart, again, Google that, Crown Heights riots, I would respect him a lot more if he came clean and confessed his past sins, which there are plenty, and are horrifying. But if he came out and actually said, yes, that old Al Sharpton was awful, I am a changed man, I would listen.

BOLLING: Ands, what about this? Does he help any situation with race or is it just -- is he really there just to make sure that racial divide stays there, because that's his bread and butter?

TANTAROS: Juan Williams told me this afternoon that the reason why the White House, he believes, elevates Sharpton is because this goes back to Chicago, and it's partially the reason that Valerie Jarrett has elevated Sharpton. And it's because the Obama administration and his inner circle -
- the Jarretts, President Obama, his wife -- feel that Jesse Jackson isolated and froze out President Obama back in the day.

And so this is payback. This is retribution. They feel that they can dig the knife in a little bit to Jackson if they can elevate -- elevate Al Sharpton, which, to me is like really? It's that type of old-school racial politics? They would associate that with...

GUTFELD: That's to become better.

TANTAROS: There has to be. Because Al Sharpton's credibility -- Greg went through the list, but for me, the Tawana Brawley incident, I mean, that was just the end. I mean, just finished. He has no credibility as far as I'm concerned.

BOLLING: Dana, is it wise for the White House to be -- I don't know, even contacting Al Sharpton asking him his opinion on race, especially when you think, I don't know if President Obama, Eric Holder, Ferguson, you know. Ground zero seems to be Sharpton on all the issues.

PERINO: Al Sharpton's so skinny now, it's like the only thing he eats are his words.

BOLLING: Nice jab.

PERINO: Thank you. I was working on that while you were talking. I thought I might make sure I get it out there.

Could be a couple of things. One, Sharpton's good at P.R. and certainly good at self-promotion, and he has been able to establish good relations with the White House. And then so whoever -- that's just kind of how it works. Whoever then is the closest to them is providing information, and they think he's helpful, then I guess that he gets to have that voice in the room.

I do think that they are better served by some of the other African- Americans that serve in the administration and outside of it. For example, there's a lot of pastors around America that I think would be a much better guide than Reverend Al Sharpton.

BOLLING: Very interesting you bring up the pastors. There's been a few pastors on the network over the last couple of weeks, and if you ask them, where do you stand with Al Sharpton? They're reluctant to push back on Al Sharpton. I'm trying to figure out why that is.

BECKEL: You have to be careful. I have a long history with Sharpton which has not been the best. So -- but I'm not saying this out of any animosity.

But it is -- this goes back to, you know, the problem between Jackson and Louis Farrakhan, the Muslims who always had control, really, of a lot of people in the black community. They're very powerful, very strong. I think that Al is somebody who listens to other drummers.

Now, there is the head of the NAACP, the oldest organization in this country, who is an articulate, smart, bright person, and somebody needs to explain, I think, to white America so they understand that what the frustrations are in black America, but not to draw the conclusions that it's something that's been pre-deserving.

BOLLING: Can I move on to this? Because this is important. We want to get this out there. Equally as disturbing is how the liberal media takes this B.S. in hook, line, and sinker.

Check out these magazine covers. Mind you, we haven't heard a word under oath about the hands-up claims by Al, Jesse and the New Black Panthers. But look at that. That's "The New Yorker." That's Bloomberg and TIME all with covers, hands up. They -- are they trying this case before we have -- any one's even sworn in yet?

GUTFELD: But this goes back to you win Pulitzers with pictures like that. You don't win Pulitzers in times of calm. And it's like you saw the media before. They were reporting on, you know, fear of unrest, and now it's how long will the calm last? Now they've shifted gears, and now they're heading back.

BOLLING: OK. You win Pulitzers. You sell magazines with pictures like that, but is it dangerous to be putting those on the covers?

TANTAROS: Yes, because you sell magazines with racial divides, right?
You sell magazines by blowing up what, in their minds, is a white on black incident.

Where you really could do good journalism is going to the streets of Chicago and following the black on black crime. I mean, and if I were African-American, I would be outraged that more journalists are not covering what's happening in Chicago and more outrage that more journalists aren't covering what's happening in Chicago and more outraged that people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson don't head to those areas.

But look, the DOJ is pushing this entire thing. Eric Holder is one of the biggest race baiters in the country. He is -- Bob -- he runs that DOJ like the Black Panthers, allowing them to be outside of the whole situation. Absolutely abominable.

BECKEL: That's very, very strong.

BOLLING: Does somebody agree with Andrea and even have -- call him, maybe even call him a race baiter or maybe call him a race activist? Is that OK to assess?

TANTAROS: You know, he said a nation of cowards. The 350,000 Americans that died in the civil War, I think that they -- they're probably not cowards.

BOLLING: Can I just get a quick response from you guys? So these -- the magazines in convenience stores, in 7-Eleven's across the country, our kids walk in and they see that stuff. Are kids being affected? Are youth being affected by those covers?

PERINO: That's why media matters. Really, they have a huge impact, and that, in particular, group called...

GUTFELD: Doesn't matter.

PERINO: ... that group, yes, I don't like them either. Yes, of course it matters, and that's why it's so striking.

It turns out that the police officer did, indeed, have injuries as described by some of the reports. I don't know if he'll actually make it on the cover on any of those magazines.

BOLLING: Great point. If he does, put the shot of his medical shot.
Bob, do you want to comment on this before we go?


BOLLING: OK. Very good.

TANTAROS: He's mad at me.

BOLLING: Check out "FOX News Sunday" this weekend for what is sure to be a great debate between Ben Carson and Rev. Jesse Jackson on race and the police in the wake of Ferguson. Check that out.

But next, a follow-up to a spirited "One More Thing" yesterday. Do race -- relationship experiences before marriage have an impact on wedded bliss? Details when "The Five" returns.


PERINO: Do you ever wonder what's the key to a happy marriage? A new study from the University of Virginia says wedded bliss may depend on experiences before couples tie the knot. Three factors they say may hurt your chances at marital success include having a child before marriage, more dating experience while single -- you might have to think about that for a second -- and having a small wedding.

We touched on this yesterday in "One More Thing," because, Eric, Kimberly said she's had hope because he first wedding was 600 guests, her second wedding was 80 guests, and so she now thinks maybe the next thing to do is elope, like the three of us did.

BOLLING: Isn't that crazy? The three of us eloped.

PERINO: Not together.

BOLLING: Not together. With our spouses, and we're still all married in the -- well, whatever. Yes.

PERINO: What do you think of these chances?

GUTFELD: Don't use the word "still."

BOLLING: So I think there are two keys to it. I don't think it has anything to do with the size of your wedding or how old you are if you, like, meet the right person. Once you get married, the two keys -- we said it before -- you have to laugh. Your marriage has to be fun. You have to take every opportunity to do things that are fun, enjoyable, and laugh. I mean it.

BECKEL: I'm sure you do.

BOLLING: You can't go home and have more -- You have to keep it light. And date night. You've just got to make date night. No matter what, you've got to spend that time and go, "Let's go out, even though we're tired."

PERINO: And let the dogs sleep in the bed or not in the bed?

BOLLING: Absolutely in the bed. In the middle, on the pillow.

PERINO: There's a big debate about this.

TANTAROS: Bob, did you have date night, or was your problem date night with other women other than your wife?

BECKEL: Let's not get into details of that. But there's this one study that says it depends on how many people you have gone out with beforehand.


BECKEL: That's obviously a reason that mine didn't work out, because when you measure that in terms of 150 or 200 who were actually living human beings in the world that would go out with me.

TANTAROS: But why?



BECKEL: Well, you know why. Would you go out with me? No. But the other thing is I had a very large wedding. And the reason that works is because you get so many more presents. And that -- a lot of people think that's a good deal.

In my case, I had to pay for the thing, and my mother-in-law helped a lot, and it was really -- but it was. Let me put it this way. I'm glad you guys are in love. I'm glad you're happy.

PERINO: Thanks, Bob.

BECKEL: And I had a nice former wife, and two great children, and that's about as far as I'll go, because I could get in real trouble.

PERINO: There's Bob.

BECKEL: There's my former wife, her new husband, and her -- my daughter, and yours truly.

PERINO: OK, let me go out to Greg. A picture of your wedding day.

GUTFELD: First, I want to tell you the secret to -- I got ink on my chest.

BOLLING: Is that what it is?

GUTFELD: Yes. I wrote this once when I was drunk. Always -- the secret to marriage is always find beauty in what you love and ugliness in the others you lust. Which is sometimes impossible. It works.

BECKEL: That's a groovy statement, Greg.

GUTFELD: So I think I had the world's smallest wedding. That's me in line with my wife, getting our whatever you call it, the justice of the peace. You're supposed to blur those people to the left. Oh, you did blur them. Good, because I don't want them suing.

PERINO: I had...

GUTFELD: That's my wedding procession.

TANTAROS: Looks like you're intense.

PERINO: I had the same type of wedding. We didn't know the names of our witnesses.


PERINO: The last names, and so when the clerk asked me the -- what are the names of your witnesses, I said Darren and Amber. And he said, "What are their last names?" And I had to go in the hallway and ask them.

GUTFELD: It's as romantic as...

PERINO: It worked for us.

GUTFELD: It was romantic as a date (ph) at the DMV.

TANTAROS: Were you in America?


TANTAROS: Were you in America in that picture?

GUTFELD: No, that's city hall downtown.

PERINO: Yes, in America. She asked, in America?

BECKEL: Who's that -- who was that beautiful woman with you?

GUTFELD: Oh, that was my escort.


PERINO: Do you think any of these tips are worthwhile?

BECKEL: That would have been in my case.

TANTAROS: You know what? I've never been married. I have no idea.
I get a lot of advice about it. The best I've heard is eyes wide open before marriage and half shut after.

BOLLING: Can we throw the picture up?

PERINO: I like that.

Yes, you have a picture? Go ahead.

BOLLING: Yes, Jonathan (ph) said that we have our picture. I'm not sure which picture you have.

GUTFELD: Better not be in white linen.

BOLLING: It might be that one. That's the real wedding picture.
Wow, you guys dug deep for that one.

PERINO: I have -- my secret is that you need to be willing to let the other person grow. So...

GUTFELD: And get fat?

PERINO: Well...

GUTFELD: That's what happened with me. I put on 40 pounds.

PERINO: I hope that doesn't happen to me. Anyway, the other thing was don't always try to be right.

TANTAROS: Oh, yes right.

GUTFELD: Peter has given up on his rights.

PERINO: He asked me if I'd rather be right than happy, and they're not the same thing.

GUTFELD: There's no such thing as being wrong in a marriage for a woman. You can never be wrong. We're losing Bob.

PERINO: Up next, here are some of our favorite...

BECKEL: You're losing me. You've (UNINTELLIGIBLE) right now.

PERINO: We'll be back with our one-hit wonders next.


BECKEL: OK, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. We're all big music fans here at "The Five." Nobody's right. We thought we'd share our favorite one-hit wonders with you. Let's go around the table, starting with Andrea.

TANTAROS: Well, this is very hard, because there's so many that I like, and, like Michael Sembello's "Maniac," off of the "Flashdance" sound track or true.

PERINO: Like that one.

TANTAROS: Or Spandeau Ballet's "True."

BECKEL: "Spandex Ballet"? What?

TANTAROS: No. That "Tina Marie" one with "Lover Girl."


TINA MARIE, SINGER (singing): "I just want to be your lover girl. I just want rock your world."


TANTAROS: Rest in peace, Tina Marie. She did. She passed away either last year or the year before, but that is one of my go-to request songs of a D.J. when I want to shake it.


BOLLING: Good songs.

There are so many, it's incredible. "Ninety-nine" -- the one that is, I think, is the quintessential one-hit wonder, Vanilla Ice, "Ice, Ice, Baby."


VANILLA ICE, RAPPER (rapping): Ice, ice, ice baby. All right, stop.
Collaborate and listen. My brand-new edition. Grab a hold of me tightly, flow like a hawk, daily and nightly.


BOLLING: As Greg points out, he took that -- did that "din din-din- din-din" from Bowie "Under Pressure," but now you say you've got -- what, you've got two.

GUTFELD: He didn't make a dime.

BOLLING: Didn't make any money.

TANTAROS: I thought they were one-hit wonders that we liked.

BECKEL: Dana -- Dana, you're up.

BOLLING: I like that song.

TANTAROS: Oh, you actually like that?

PERINO: OK, my one-hit wonder is -- you'll be able to tell my age group, when you listen to "Come On, Eileen" by Dexy and the Midnight Runners.




GUTFELD: I hate that one.

PERINO: I love the brits early on in my life. You don't like them?

GUTFELD: No. I couldn't stand the way the guy dressed.

PERINO: Well, it was kind of shocking when you saw the video. That they were dressed like that.

BECKEL: All right. Greg.

GUTFELD: First, I want to defend one-hit wonders. Thousands of fans would love to have just one hit, so it's an achievement to have one hit.

Of course, I picked -- my favorite one-hit wonder, because you never heard another song from John Stafford Smith and Francis Scott Key after they collaborated on "The Star-Spangled Banner" in 1814.




PERINO: There's no music video.

Put your hand over your heart.

GUTFELD: Can I talk over this?

BECKEL: Very nice. Very nice.

GUTFELD: All right, anyway, it's interesting. They were never -- they never worked together again. So that's technically the greatest one- hit wonder of all time. I'm Casey Kasem.

BECKEL: Well, you know, a British guy wrote "Dixie." That's what he...

GUTFELD: I did my Wikipedia research.

BECKEL: Oh, really? OK.


TANTAROS: This is going to be bad.

BECKEL: My one-hit wonder is -- first of all, the music video was -- my song came out, in fact the -- never mind. Mine was something called "Patches." Anybody remember "Patches" out there? Got the song?




TANTAROS: Peggy Lee?

BECKEL: That's very sad about this. Because this is this dude is rich, and he falls in love with a broad -- woman down in this shanty camp.
And she -- he can't go see her. She gets upset. She jumps off the bridge and she dies.

Now, this is right during the singing (ph) song period, which was the guy on a railroad track to get his high school ring and got killed. A guy went on the track to get his wife a wedding ring and died.

TANTAROS: Real upbeat.

BECKEL: Yes. And the guy that went to the -- take a girl out. She gave -- he gave her a sweater to him because it was cold. And he wants to get it back, and she's dead. She's dead here. So he went to the graveyard and his sweater...



BOLLING: Wait, wait. Can I throw two more in real quick?


BOLLING: "My Sharona," the Knack, and Midnight Oil, "Burning Beds."

BECKEL: Nobody knows what the hell you're talking about.

TANTAROS: That's pretty good. I like my bumping song, though, "Relax." By Frankie Goes to Hollywood.

PERINO: "Let's Hear it for the Boys" by Denise...

BECKEL: OK. And one other we forgot is "Dana's All Right."

"One More Thing" is up next.


TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing." EB2016 will kick it off.

BOLLING: OK. So it's Friday and it's time for...


GRAPHIC: Fool of the Week.


BOLLING: All right. So Ferguson, Missouri, has been ripped apart by accusation of racial bias. Like throwing gasoline on a file, comments like these earned this guy the "Fool of the Week." Watch.


REV. AL SHARPTON, CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST: Now many young people out there are legitimately outraged and legitimately protesting. Some are taking advantage of the outrage, and we will condemn that. But when will law enforcement condemn police that shoot and kill unarmed young people?


BOLLING: Well, it's comments like that that Ferguson, Missouri, and America would be probably better served without you. Just zip it. "Fool of the Week."

TANTAROS: All right. Bob.

BECKEL: Well, this should have been an ongoing saga, but I must say it's -- it's been a rough, rough, rough week. I told you all about my daughter going to college. And she's left today -- this week to go to Boulder, to Colorado, and there she is.

And I've told you all before, if you've got them now for a couple more years, stay close to them, will you? Because it is a very, very painful week all the way around. So stay close to your kids.


PERINO: She's going to do great.

BECKEL: She is.

TANTAROS: And you'll go visit.

BECKEL: Yes, I will.

TANTAROS: All right. You'll be a hero in Boulder.

BECKEL: I doubt that.

PERINO: Parade. They're going to rename Main Street Bob Beckel Boulevard.

TANTAROS: Bob Beckel Boulevard.

PERINO: Pedestrian, guys. There's no cars. You'll like that.

OK. My turn?


PERINO: So it was another banner week for Democrats running for the midterms of the House of Representatives. I'm going to give you two examples.

Out in San Diego I've talked about this race before. It's Democrat Scott Peters. He's the incumbent. He's being challenged by Carl DeMaio.
Carl DeMaio is an openly gay man in a committed relationship. And this seems to be an issue for Mr. Peters. He continues to say demeaning things about gay people, rather than just debating on the issues. The DeMaio campaign after this week's slight has asked for an apology.

And then the second one over in Virginia, you have John Foust. he is challenging Barbara Comstock in Virginia's Tenth District. He said, in her mind that means giving tax breaks, blah, blah, blah, dot, dot, dot.

I don't think she's even had a real job. This is a woman that has done some pretty amazing things. And guess what? I know for a fact that she had a real job, because I once worked for her. She was my boss at the Justice Department. So instead of attacking people for being gay or being a woman, just debate the issues and let the voters decide in November.

TANTAROS: And by the way, Barbara Comstock is one of the smartest women out there.

PERINO: And she's going to win that one.

TANTAROS: A number of high-profile positions, actually, she's had.
Good one, Dana.

PERINO: Thank you.


GUTFELD: Yes. As we head into the -- our last major summer holiday, I guess you would call it. When you go away on vacation, you've got to be careful who you tell in your neighborhood when you're leaving.

I told a dog that I was going away for last weekend, and I came back.
By surprise, a little earlier, and this is what I found in my house. He had invited all the dogs into my pool. And it just -- it was just crazy.
You should have seen the living room. It was just disgusting what they did. Oh, my God. My home theater is unusable.

TANTAROS: I don't have time do my "One More Thing." But go check out that interview I did with Juan Williams. I'll tweet it out. It's great.
He talks about Jackson and has harsh words for Al Sharpton.

Set your DVRs so you never miss "The Five." Have a great weekend, everybody. We'll see you back here on Monday.

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