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Could US be drawn back into war in Iraq?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 11, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: This is a FOX News alert. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle.

President Obama is about to deliver a statement shortly from Martha's Vineyard on the crisis in Iraq. We're going to have that for you live.

Now, today, the White House put out a photo of the president getting briefed on the battle against ISIS by this national security adviser Susan Rice. He was also briefed on the situations in Ukraine and Gaza.

After 15 targeted airstrikes, the U.S. is now sending arms to Kurds in Iraq in an attempt to help battle against ISIS.

Today, there are horrific reports that the Islamic terror network has buried more than 500 women and children alive from Iraq's Christian Yazidi minority.

As the terror crisis flares, there's a political crisis growing in Baghdad after Iraq's new president formally nominated a candidate to replace Prime Minister Maliki. But Maliki has no plans to step down and is accusing President Masum of carrying out a coup against the country's constitution. A lot going on in the world, a very busy day.

Let's talk about details on the ground. First, Eric, is the United States drawing deeper into a war in Iraq?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Well, I don't think so. If you listened to President Obama on Saturday morning, around I think 10:30, 10:00 or 10:30, he's basically said, look, here's what we're going to do. We're going to continue the humanitarian aid, drop the humanitarian aid. We're going to target airstrikes against ISIS areas which they did, seemed to have worked.

I mean, I talked about this earlier, I'm getting beaten up. I think it's right, though, I think 20,000 people have come off that mountain so far and I think the rest are on their way down because we've actually helped drive -- helped the Kurds drive ISIS back and allow those --

GUILFOYLE: Safe passage.

BOLLING: Safe passage to come down the mountain.

I think this is what they need to be doing right now. But one thing we didn't know, Iraq is a disaster. It's a disaster from top to bottom, from what's going on with ISIS versus the Kurds versus trying to take the whole country to Maliki, he was going to leave. He's supposed to leave. Now he's saying I'm not leaving. I think I'm going to stick around for a while, in the midst of all of this other stuff.

I mean, if the guy cared about Iraq, he would leave, turn it over the way it's supposed to happen and move on and let us figure out how to get ISIS -- push ISIS back. But wow, what a disaster. I'm not sure there's any saving Iraq.

GUILFOYLE: Greg?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Now, it seems like the first husband that won't leave. It's like she has already dumped him, but he's still hanging around, stopping by, you know --

GUILFOYLE: You know that happened.

GUTFELD: -- with flowers.

But, you know, but there's a biggest existential conflict going on here, which you asked, are we moving towards war. From a bigger said and Eric said it before, we've always been at war and we were always be at war because these people love war.

So, like when Obama says he's surprised by ISIS, I think he's surprised by a sneeze. Maybe he wasn't prepared for it. But the possibility is always there, and the idea of finding a reasonable Islamist. I mean, that's about as common as a redheaded Islamist.

There seems to be a real love for these kinds of insurgency among the young. To them, it's a sport with severed heads instead of soccer balls. That's the scary part, is that it somehow it appeals. It appeals to the young, the disaffected, until you crush it.

BOLLING: Can I follow up?

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: You know, you know why it appeals to them, because they've been fighting for 3,000 years.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: It's all they know.

BOLLING: It's what they know how to do and this is like, you know, the most extreme form of it, wow. They love that stuff.

GUILFOYLE: They're fighting retirement every step of the way. They wouldn't know what to do themselves.

BOLLING: Bigger question, is there any way to fix that?

GUILFOYLE: Is there, Bob? And what about the president language saying he was surprised by this? Do you believe he was? And if so, why? Why didn't he know?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, I believe he thought he was surprised by it and I think he wasn't alone, but they shouldn't have been surprised by it. Secondly, I think the decision of the United States to use selective bombing against ISIS is exactly the right thing to do. Arming the Kurds is a little late but it's there. The Kurds have taken back two towns now as a result of that.

GUILFOYLE: You're right.

BECKEL: This is beginning to remind me of the Balkans where we decided to fight that battle from the air and it was successful. I think if we continue to not put soldiers on the ground, but rather use our high- tech knowledge, ISIS is not that big. It can be dealt with. They're brutal, there's no question about it.

But the real question as Eric raises, for what end? I mean, do we have a government that we're supporting in Iraq.

Right now, Maliki, who's our favorite guy for that job years ago, has turned out to be a pariah. And he doesn't want to leave. He calls the other guy doing a coup. He's the one doing a coup.

And the United States ought -- they have disavowed him, but they ought to disavow him more strongly. Let's also keep in mind, he's very close to the Iranians and I've always had questions about this guy.

GUILFOYLE: Meaning his loyalties?

BECKEL: Yes, sure, sure.

GUILFOYLE: Jedediah?

JEDEDIAH BILA, CO-HOST: So, my concern is this winds up with boots on the ground, though, because these situations escalate. And if what we're doing right now isn't successful and you have cries from the likes of John McCain and otherwise to do more, does this wind up with the situation where we once again have boots on the ground, with no end game and no end strategy where we have American troops where we don't know really what we're doing there and whether or not we can ultimately mend the situation.

Do you worry about that, Bob?

BECKEL: Yes. I mean, that's one of the cases we entered into Iraq. I mean, we never had an idea where we were going particularly. And we were in a situation, we're in a country, that had been drawn up by the British after the first world war. It had thrown in three different distinct religious minorities, the Sunnis, the Shiites and the Kurds. And it's not surprising this happen.

Now, what happened was there's a strong man that took over, and Saddam Hussein and he kept it together by brute force. There are some rumors now that the military is beginning to turn against Maliki, some for him and some against him.

So, I would not be surprised he has civil war break out among the military.

GUILFOYLE: I want to talk a little bit about the situation with the Kurds, because, finally, they are able to get some of the weaponry that they have been desperately asking for for months to the United States, to the administration, perhaps now the CIA supplying those, the U.S. government saying, in fact, we're going to help them. Well, how do we expect them to do it, with bows and arrows and little slingshots? Because compared to the weaponry -- U.S. weaponry -- that ISIS had in its use, there was no fair fight.

I think that's what led to this escalation here where you have these horrific reports which jump started the U.S. into action by saying, 500 women and children buried alive. I mean, these are savages we're dealing with.

BECKEL: Keep in mind, we asked Maliki to transfer the weapons to the Kurds weeks ago and he refused to do it. And so, it required us then to go through Turkey and dropped the CIA --

GUILFOYLE: OK, we're going straight now to the FOX News desk where Shepard Smith is standing by.

SHEPARD SMITH, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Thanks very much. We're going to hear from the president in just a moment.

One of the things that you'll notice coming up here is the quality of the signal. CNN is the pull on this event. And they aren't -- they don't have a satellite on this side of the island because you just can't. The president is going to talk about the increasingly dire political situation that is now in effect in Iraq, what happens with Nouri al Maliki and based on that, how does it change America's actions in the days ahead.

We'll let our FOX stations across the country join us now.

Good afternoon from FOX world headquarters in New York. I'm Shepard Smith on FOX and MyNetwork station across the nation and on the FOX News station on cable and satellite around the world.

We're expecting the president to make a statement within the next minute on the political situation in Iraq. He's speaking from Martha's Vineyard where the White House says he's been getting regular updates on the ongoing airstrikes against Islamic State fighters in Northern Iraq, . that's another -- as another political crisis unfolds in the south in Baghdad.

Here's the situation today: the Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki is refusing to step down despite urging by the United States. In fact, al Maliki took to Iraq television to demand that he get another term.

In the words of a senior Iraqi official to "The New York Times" newspaper, al Maliki has, quote, gone out of his mind and lives on a different planet. The Iraqi president snubbed al Maliki by not nominating him for another term today.

The signal is weak but here's the president.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: -- in Iraq, including some important steps forward as Iraqis form a new government.

Over the past few days, American forces have successfully conducted targeted airstrikes to prevent terrorist forces from advancing on the city of Irbil, and to protect American civilians there. Kurdish forces on the ground continue to defend their city, and we've stepped up military advice and assistance to Iraqi and Kurdish forces as they wage to fight against ISIL.

At the same time, we've continued our daily humanitarian efforts to provide life-saving assistance to the men, women and children stranded on Mount Sinjar, and deployed a USAID Disaster Assistance Response Team to help. Some have begun to escape their perch on that mountain, and we're working with international partners to develop options to bring them to safety. I want to thank in particular the United Kingdom, France, and other countries working with us to provide much needed assistance to the Iraqi people. And, meanwhile, our aircraft remain positioned to strike any terrorist forces around the mountain who threaten the safety of these families.

This advance -- this advances the limited military objectives we've outlined in Iraq: protecting American citizens, providing advice and assistance to Iraqi forces as they battle these terrorists, and joining with international partners to provide humanitarian aid. But as I said when I authorized these operations, there is no American military solution to the larger crisis in Iraq. The only lasting solution is for Iraqis to come together and form an inclusive government -- one that represents the legitimate interests of all Iraqis, and one that can unify the country's fight against ISIL.

Today, Iraq took a promising step forward in this critical effort. Last month, the Iraqi people named a new President. Today, President Masum named a new prime minister designate, Dr. Haider al-Abadi. Under the Iraqi constitution, this is an important step towards forming a new government that can unite Iraq's different communities.

Earlier today, Vice President Biden and I called Dr. Abadi to congratulate him and to urge him to form a new cabinet as quickly as possible -- one that's inclusive of all Iraqis, and one that represents all Iraqis. I pledged our support to him, as well as to President Masum and Speaker Jabouri, as they work together to form this government. Meanwhile, I urge all Iraqi political leaders to work peacefully through the political process in the days ahead.

This new Iraqi leadership has a difficult task. It has to regain the confidence of its citizens by governing inclusively and by taking steps to demonstrate its resolve. The United States stands ready to support a government that addresses the needs and grievances of all Iraqi people. We are also ready to work with other countries in the region to deal with the humanitarian crisis and counterterrorism challenge in Iraq. Mobilizing that support will be easier once this new government is in place.

These have been difficult days in Iraq -- a country that has faced so many challenges in its recent history. And I'm sure that there will be difficult days ahead. But just as the United States will remain vigilant against the threat posed to our people by ISIL, we stand ready to partner with Iraq in its fight against these terrorist forces. Without question, that effort will be advanced if Iraqis continue to build on today's progress, and come together to support a new and inclusive government.

Thanks, everybody.

SMITH: The president speaking from Martha's Vineyard while on vacation, no doubt trying send a signal that the White House is on top of this whether the president is in Washington or at Martha's Vineyard.

But the elephant in the room here is Nouri al Maliki, whom he did not even mention.

You heard that the president of Iraq has now put a new prime minister designate in place. The prime minster designate has promised to be more inclusive. You know, the real problem has been that the Sunni, the Shia and the Kurds are not all represented equally in this government. And that those who are doing the fighting and some of who have joined with them say we don't have any prospects for a better Iraq, so we're not going to play along. That is widely around the world seen as the fault of Nouri al Maliki, who did not have an inclusive government as prime minister.

But Nouri al Maliki has refused to acknowledge that the president has said you must step down. Not only the president of the United States who didn't even use his name but the president of Iraq who says you're gone.

Nouri al Maliki has said, "I will not step down". He has called this a slight on the Iraqi constitution. He went to the microphones and spoke to a national audience at a very late hour and said he's going nowhere and that he will work to fix this problem.

So, they have the fighting in the north. The religious minorities on tops of mountains, starving to death and thirsty to the point where they're dying by the hundreds. And a political situation in Baghdad which doesn't allow the central government to help out with the problems unless and until Nouri al Maliki is gone, those steps have been taken to get rid of Nouri al Maliki, Nouri al Maliki says no way.

There's a standoff in Baghdad and a humanitarian crisis north of Iraq, and the president is now urging for calm, and the new government. The days ahead will no doubt be critical.

Stay tuned this FOX station if you're watching on FOX or MyNetwork stations across the country for complete local coverage and on FOX News Channels on satellite and cable where, THE FIVE will have analysis right now. I'm Shepard Smith, FOX News New York.

GUILFOYLE: All right. So, interesting comments from the president. Most notably, he did not mention al Maliki's name, deliberately, I think, Eric.

BOLLING: No, he recognized Prime Minister-designate Masum. Also, he said, President Obama said, we're working with our NATO allies. I'm not sure how we're working with our NATO allies. They're pretty silent on the whole thing.

I think more importantly, and this is where I tend to agree with President Obama -- Iraq needs to get themselves together and do this within. We'll assist with whatever we can, whenever we can, but they need to do this on their own. Otherwise, we're going to wind up with another 10-year war, going back into it, which I think say huge mistake.

Look, he's taking this day by day. I'm not sure what activity took him away from golf or whatever he did to come meet the podium. I'm not sure exactly what new information he gave us. I'm not sure why he did that press conference.

Did we learn anything new?

GUTFELD: The answer is, was he still wearing golf spikes because they didn't do any shots below the podium.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my gosh! This is scintillating analysis.

Honestly, well, can you get this? OK, Jedediah?

BILA: I think he's also need to be engaged on some level. So, even though he's been consistent, he's talking about humanitarian aid, he's talking about targeted strikes, I think he also needs to be present. Everyone knows he's on vacation right now. He's constantly labeled as being disengaged from this problem. Everyone is going to be talking about the fact that world is essentially crumbling in many areas, and he's away and distracted.

So, I think he felt the need to come to the podium and say, I'm working with the U.K., I'm working with France, we're on it. This isn't a problem that has an American military solution, but we are going to part of fixing it and here's how, to present a president that's engaged in the solution.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, anything you think he left out? It was important that he come forward, show his support and go on record.

BECKEL: Yes, I think what he left out was Maliki. I think he needs to send a shot directly at Maliki. I'm not sure Maliki is staying there on the basis of what. I mean, he doesn't -- unless he says -- he's got some military support behind him from the Iraqi military, he should be gone and there is a supreme court direct, they ought to order the guy out of office and pull a Richard Nixon here.

I mean, this guy has no right to be there. We installed him. He was the favorite going in, he stayed there. All he did is causing havoc ever since by not having representations of the Shiites and Kurds particularly. So, I think -- or the Sunnis and the Kurds particularly.

I think it's time for us to put even more pressure on it. In terms of our allies, I think he was talking about was helping them with humanitarian relief. I don't think he was talking about --

BOLLING: Yes, but what he said, though, Bob. On Saturday morning, he said all of this stuff. Everything he just said, he said Saturday morning. So, why did they interrupt THE FIVE to hear him say this?

GUILFOYLE: What do you think, Greg?

GUTFELD: I find it funny that he's blaming Maliki for not being inclusive. President Obama -- who has spent a good six and some odd years basically using every issue to divide the country.

BILA: He doesn't see himself as that. He sees himself as a great uniter of everyone.

BECKEL: Well, listen, it's a little different than that. I would be if Obama got to the end his term and he didn't leave, then I think you have a situation like you have with Iraq.

GUTFELD: Fair point.

BECKEL: I think that Maliki simply got to go. And I think -- look, if it comes to the case where you say to the military, no more support until this guy goes, I think they'll turn on him and they should. I'm glad to see the best fighters in that country, the Kurds, are now fighting and fighting effectively, I think ISIS is going to be pushed back for the first time.

GUILFOYLE: Let's hope so, from your mouth to God's ears.

Straight ahead -- did President Obama underestimate the threat of ISIS? Well, a lot of people think so. You're going to hear this answer on that, next.

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GUTFELD: It's getting pretty bad. Girls kidnapped. Children butchered. Men crucified. The massacre and the rape, the selling of women.

If you're looking for proof of real evil, you came to the right place. Evil spreads where there is no wall. Thanks to modern technology we get to see it all if we want. After all, there's just too much on TV these days. There's Kim, Kanye, Justin. It used to be easy to condemn evil, now who has the time? Preoccupied with online words as opposed to real deeds, consuming culture like popcorn, to the average American, the outside world is now a remote bizarre of competing hysterias and horrors.

Like a kid at a buffet, we walk past the stuff that we don't like. You can thank previous generations who fought and died for our disposable comfort. Some terrified kid less than half my age died on a beach in 1944 so that I'm able to binge-watch "Scandal" in my boxers. He grew up so I could remain a child.

And so, we ignore evil, but it's not ignoring us. Radical Islam is a political version of stalking. It doesn't take no for an answer.

But you know who gets evil? The people closest to it -- the Kurds, unlike your campus pacifist, has no luxury existence. That luxury, however, has run out. As we tweet, they terrorize, they choose suicide vests over selfies.

It's time we took this seriously, if not for your sake, at least for those you do care about, like the Kardashians.

GUILFOYLE: Look at Bob.

BECKEL: It's true, we all care about the Kardashians.

OK. I just want to show you this tape, then we'll go around the horn. President Obama on whether he's underestimated the power of ISIS, along with some commentary from Ron Fournier, exciting.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: Did we underestimate ISIL? I think that there's no doubt that their advance, their movement, over the last several months has been more rapid than the intelligence estimates.

RON FOURNIER, NATIONAL JOURNAL: This is a president who underestimated ISIS. He called them jayvee. He's the commander-in-chief or the underestimator-in-chief. So, I don't want him to underestimate. We can't afford the president underestimate this threat.

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GUTFELD: So, Jedediah, did he just kind of basically throw yet another group of -- he threw intel under the bus.

BILA: Exactly. Anyone else?

I don't think he underestimates, though. I think he knows exactly what these things are. I think he doesn't want to be involved.

He doesn't underestimate Putin. He knows Putin is a problem. He knows Hamas is a problem. He's not a stupid guy.

I think he just doesn't want to be involved at that level. And the hope is that the United States will sit back and let somebody else take the lead.

Ultimately, when he realizes that's not going to happen because that's not the way the world works, America is the leader of the free world, I think he jumps in. And that's why I think he's always late on Syria.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BILA: I think he's always late to the game because of that. He's just waiting to see if somebody else will do the job.

GUTFELD: Eric, do you think he confused ISIS with Darrell Issa?

BOLLING: Maybe.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: Ron Fournier.

GUTFELD: Yes.

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: That's a rumor that is very dangerous, I might add.

GUTFELD: Ooh!

BOLLING: This is different.

GUTFELD: Terrible.

BOLLING: I don't know if you've paid -- Greg, I know you have, we've spoken about it, but some of the stuff that's going on with these terrorists now with the children. Not only are the children fighting, the children are dying, the children are being buried alive -- children are holding up heads of decapitated fighters, children like 7 year olds.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: It's insane what's going on there.

But I'm not -- and let me just take back to the original comment, what do we do about it? I mean, do we really try and wipe terror off the map because I'm not sure that you can do that.

BILA: Not impossible.

(CROSSTALK)

BILA: No, I don't think it's possible. You put boots on the ground, everywhere?

BOLLING: You can kill a few cockroaches, but eventually, they're going to be breeding over there --

BILA: Somewhere else.

BOLLING: Yes.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I think in fairness to Obama, I don't think there's anybody that wrote anything about how fast ISIS was going move. I mean, I think that really was a surprise.

But beating evil around the world, it also, we should point out there's evil in North Korea, we've not been able to deal with that. In Uganda, in Cuba, in Argentina. We have not done those things because we're simply not in a position to do all of that.

The one thing we're focusing on, probably the most dangerous, which is ISIS. But we've got to keep in mind, there's evil everywhere, the United States simply cannot address it every place we go.

GUTFELD: That's true, but that shouldn't prevent us. Don't let perfect become the evil of the good. Did I say that correctly?

You try to kill as many as you can.

BECKEL: As many as you can.

GUILFOYLE: And why wouldn't you, because if you don't, then you hesitate and you choose to ignore and put on your sleep mask at night, and think everything is going to be OK in the morning and some other country are going to do the job, you're wrong. That's when women and children died because evil doesn't take nap in the afternoon.

BECKEL: Women and children died by the millions in North Korea.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but do something about it. Why I don't want to walk down the street --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: You want to have another North Korea or Korean War?

GUTFELD: Sure.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but I don't want to walk down the street and buy a $10 sandwich and people are dying around the world. No, I do not.

BECKEL: I think they would take you for enlistment right now.

GUILFOYLE: Take me for what?

BILA: For enlistment.

BECKEL: You could enlist right now.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, I would be great.

GUTFELD: You would scare me. That's for sure. But I'm a coward.

All right. Coming up -- is Hillary Clinton turning on President Obama? She was secretary of state once, but now, she's attacking his foreign policy. Does she have 2016 on the brain? Next on THE FIVE.

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BILA: With president Obama's foreign policy numbers tanking, many democrats have made the decision to distance them from the reeling commander in chief. The latest in those high profiles to join the chorus is former Obama Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She said when Obama chose not to arm Syrian rebels, he allowed ISIS to prosper. So, is this a principle stand from the former first lady or is she really just looking towards 2016? Karl Rove (inaudible).

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KARL ROVE, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: I thought it was interesting that she was so critical of the man that she served for four years. And it's clear because at the end of President Obama's eight years, it's unlikely that his foreign policy is going to be seen as a success. I'm not certain however that they're going to view this in the White House as anything other than political -- Hillary Clinton covering her political posterior in order to get nominated and elected in 2016.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BILA: So, Eric, what's going on here? Is she distancing herself because she's going to run for office or are there serious ideological differences here between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton when it comes to foreign policy?

ERIC BOLLING, THE FOVE HOST: First off, the Clintons and Obamas, they have never liked each other. Now, we're finding out for real that they're pulling back the curtains that they really truly don't. I think this -- number two, I think this is her first shot at 2016. And number three, it's her opportunity to become -- to make us -- try and make us forget about when said, at this point, what differences it make, because that has hung around her neck and would likely be there, unless she did something provocative like this, like saying I'm more of a war hawk than President Obama. I'm probably more of a Neocon War Hawk than a lot of -- maybe even, like I said earlier myself. But that makes her different -- that makes her different, that makes you say -- remember when she said this, not remember when she said.

BOB BECKEL, THE FIVE HOST: Let's remember, in fact, she was more hawkish than Obama.

BILA: She was.

BECKEL: Whether it was Syria, whether it was Afghanistan, whether it was Libya, and Syria. So, she has a record to back that up. What she did was, when Obama made her his choice, she fell in line like any cabinet secretary should. But she's got a case to be made. Now, the one thing, I think (inaudible) is the Russian thing because I'm convinced now that the Ukrainians are beginning to push the Russians back, Putin's got 45,000 troops on the border of Ukraine, I would not be that all surprised before the end of the week that Russia invades Ukraine.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, THE FIVE HOST: Yeah. I think he's right, they're waiting for us -- you know, take your eye off the ball while we can make another move here. That's classic Putin. In terms of Hillary, I agree with you, Bob, I mean, she's on record consistent, but these policies recommending them since 2008. However, she went radio silent for a while. Is that gonna hurt her? But then there's some of the inconsistent statements or people just agree that she was towing the line because of being, you know, elected in part of the cabinet.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Just very quickly, the innovative idea of using Karl Rove for a comment here is really different, let me point that out.

GUILFOYLE: We're doing well for that.

BILA: Is that smart strategy in her part?

GREG GUTFELD, THE FIVE HOST: First of all, this is the edge that Obama's going to give to all the democrats. He makes everyone look right because there's no one to his left. He's super aggressive. Hillary looks like a grown up Neocon (ph) republican. She's treating Obama like a drunk on a subway. She's quickly moving away while pointing it to everybody like, hey, stay away from that guy he's going to throw up on you. However, that raises the question, which I hate saying, where were you when you had the chance? You were drinking with him. You were drinking from the same trough of idiot ideas. Now, you are running for president, you through it all the way. I mean, we don't -- nobody remembers anything beyond the Benghazi hearings. Her stint as secretary of state is as memorable as a (inaudible).

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: But you said something very important after that. Yes, OK. She was more hawkish than, Obama. She fell in line like any other secretary -- cabinet secretary would or should. How about none, how about wrong, how about stand -- are you so weak as a secretary of state that you can't say President Obama is wrong on this. I think we need.

BECKEL: Well, if you do that, she have to resign.

GUILFOYLE: Which makes it a problem for the election.

BOLLING: OK. So, what's more important? Being secretary of state or really caring what was going on with the standing in the world?

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: You could ask that question but.

BOLLING: Well, if she wants to be president, I know it should be.

BILA: Well, I think we'll find out soon enough if it helps or her term.

Ahead, horror on the racetrack, as a driver hold another walking on the track trying to confront him. Do investigators think it's intentional?

Plus, racially charge riots in Missouri after police shoot and kill a black teen. And then look out, it's Shark Week, it's all coming your way in the fastest seven coming up next.

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BOLIING: We're back to the fastest seven minutes in news, cable broadcast or pay per view, three (inaudible) story seven spirited minutes. One assuasive (ph) host. First off, the story everyone is talking around the water cooler. Tony Stewart NASCAR superstar ran over and killed Kevin Ward Jr. in a Saturday night sprint car race. Watch.

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(VIDEO CLIP OF KEVIN WARD JR. GOT RAN OVER AT THE RACE TRACK)

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BOLIING: The speculation nation is on. Fire debating whether Stewart intentionally hit Ward, wanted to simply bump Ward to give him a message or Stewart innocently attempted to speed by a competitor walking towards among an active race track. That said, Tony Stewart is a hot head. Remember this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tony's not very happy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

(CROWD CHEERING)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: We'll throw it down very quickly, my two sense, he still deserves the benefit of the doubt. Considering the track conditions Kevin Ward's a radicand dangers idea to charge on active race. Bring it around, KG, your thoughts on this?

GUILFOYLE: I mean, you know, it's worth an investigation, he's the only person that's really gonna know whether or not there's -- you know, in the situation with the dust, the speed, you accelerate around the turns to say that this was an accident and I hope.

BECKEL: Intent matters in this one?

GUILFOYLE: Intent does matter and he's the only one knows that.

BOLLING: Yeah, exactly. How about you, Bob?

BECKEL: I think he should never have gotten out of his car and gotten to the led track.

BOLLING: Ward?

BECKEL: Ward. And I think Stewart should have probably anticipated there was gonna be some anger there. So, I think they're probably both at fault but I don't think there's a malicious homicide involved.

BOLLING: Maybe Stewart didn't know he hit Ward on the first time around.

BILA: I mean, it's possible, I don't know enough about impact and, you know, how that works to be perfectly on. I think it's gonna be really hard to prove either way, intent, as we were talking about earlier today. And I just -- it's horrible that he got out of that car. What would go through somebody's mind to think that you should get out of that car in be in that danger zone, it's beyond me.

GUTFELD: I mean, he was in a dark uniform. And he was running right out there. I can't -- I don't know how people can be so sure that he meant to do it. It's not running of the bulls. You got to stay in your car. So, I put myself in the I don't know category.

BOLLING: Just to tell you this very quickly and we'll move on, how many people get hit by cabs in New York City. I mean, literally no intent there and it happens quite often. All right, next stop, a very fragile calm(ph) in Ferguson Missouri after moment after rioting and looting occupied the night. Chance of kill a police after a police officer shot and killed an unarmed 18-year-old Michael Brown. The NAACP is there, Al Sharpton on his way to the scene, already rallying up that community pointing a finger at the Ferguson Police Department. Is this responsible or is this race baiting? Greg, bring it on this way. GUTFELD: I, you know, I always say you got to resist the media urge to create two opposing angry sides. The media loves when it's about race but that helps no one. And then, you have to warn all victims of crime no matter the color. And looting is the thing that hurts the cost. If you're outrage about what happened, looting doesn't help. As does the media's dependence on races in entry point and to stories like this.

BOLLING: And as of this mo -- we call a little earlier, we don't know if the cops who shot Michael Brown was black or white. I mean.

BILA: Right. We don't know the whole story and yet everyone has rushed to judgment once again. What I would urge, hopefully is that, pastors, that religious leaders can go in that community and really discourage any kind of violence that's obviously never the answer. And just try to keep the community intact because some of the footage that we've been seeing, horrific, scary of what this could turn into ultimately.

BOLLING: Why do we need Al Sharpton there?

BECKEL: Well, you can argue about Sharpton being there or not. He always shows up at these things. But here's the point, the -- the looting did not help the picture. It only -- that encourages a sort of stereotypical type of reaction of black community from people who are not there. But I'll say this, the police have a lot of explaining to do to shoot down an unarmed black kid who's on his way to college. Somebody, somewhere, made a terrible mistake. My own guess is that that officer ought to be in a minimum throwing off and put in jail.

BOLLING: All right, KG?

GUILFOYLE: Of course, there should gonna be, let's called not an ouster involve shooting. Anytime an officer discharges a weapon and a homicide or murder, of course, they're gonna have to clear it to determine whether or not it was a justified shooting. We don't have all the facts and circumstances. I caution people to become too involved with an opinion and create a situation like we're seeing here with the riots going on. True leadership is gonna encourage calmer heads.

BOLLING: All right, we got to go. I have to give this to you, Bobbie. This is really important. This is what we all wanted to talk about. It's like Christmas in August around my house. It's that time of year, Shark Week, the hugely popular Discovery Channel week of shark programming. By the way, this is the 27th annual Shark Week. And this year, Discovery has amazing shark footage.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoo!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're really big shark. It's like 13, 14.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was big. That was (inaudible) out of here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: OK, all right.

GUTFELD: You know what I have a problem with, that shark week, but Jaws for the last four decades we've been demonizing this beast of the ocean. That's -- we've made it a thousand times more dangerous than it really is. We should have socialism week. Because the socialism is experience the opposite treatment of sharks. Socialism has been painted with a friendly but not fatal face but it's killed millions. Socialism is a land shark. We should have socialism week.

BOLLING: With bigger teeth that sharks. KG, Shark Week?

GUILFOYLE: No, I love, I love, I love shark week. And I just love seeing sharks, like reading about them. I prefer to not be eaten by one, as much as I love them.

BOLLING: Jed, are you a shark fan?

BILA: Hey, I like sharks because of Jaws. So, I don't know what that says about me, but I think they're, you know, interestingly dangerous, you know, a little tease and all that. But the babies are cute though that should.

GUTFELD: Yea. Well, Hitler was a baby.

BECKEL: When I was younger I used to scuba dive a lot and I like it very much. I didn't run across many sharks. But now, friends who might still dive say that they see more and more sharks all the time because a preservation efforts. And so, when you have great white sightings of great white off the, along the coast, that tells me that there's a lot of sharks out there.

BILA: I ate shark one time, pretty tasty.

BOLLING: By the way, Shark Week 2014 broke all records last night.

GUILFOYLE: Wow.

BOLLING: Coming up, while the U.S. is dropping new bombs in Iraq, our commander in chief is closely monitoring it all from the situation room -- no, just kidding. He's going on vacation again and very busy working on his golf game. We're gonna discuss. Bob is gonna defend when we return.

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BECKEL: The President Obama is on vacation, and he's playing golf and a lot of loud mouths particularly republicans and republican consultant blow the hates(ph) who are now themselves on a five-week vacation are making that criticism from their own tennis courts or their golf courses, or in their favorite bar as in the case of many and some in the leadership. And I notice Karl Rove, we have that shot of him, he was out in, looks to me, like Arizona having a wonderful time. So, look, the president when he travels. I worked in the White House. And when the president travels, he travel -- I guess every committee communication could have or there's 1600(ph) (inaudible) any place else. He deserve a vacation, I'd rather have a rested president. And all these people that want to shoot their mouth off about it, go take a vacation you need it.

BILA: But how many vacations does he deserve? I mean, really, I haven't had a vacation in three years. Every time I turn around he need a vacation. I get it's a hard job, I know the grudge on vacation.

BECKEL: When was the last time he took a vacation?

BILA: I haven't take a vacation.

BECKEL: Yeah, when was the last time he took a vacation?

BILA: He's always golfing, he's always at the.

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GUILFOYLE: He's like in a perennial vacation.

BOLLING: He goes to Hawaii for two weeks, remember that?

GUILFOYLE: Well rafted.

BOLLING: Sometime he's been to Brazil, he's been to Spain. Look, I don't.

BECKEL: George Bush spent a month, a year a total year down in his, I don't blame.

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BOLLING: Is there anything that would be important enough for President Obama not to vacation?

BECKEL: I can't imagine what it is with the communication we have today.

GUTFELD: Another vacation. Another play. You know, when we go on vacation on The Five, someone will sit in when we're not here. It's a testament to Obama that they replace him with nothing.

BILA: We should have a sit-in president.

GUTFELD: Yeah. We should have a sit president, a guest president. Give Netanyahu one week.

GUILFOYLE: He should just move the White House to Hawaii. It's about time.

BECKEL: The White House is where the president is. And I think the rest of this stuff is just all, you know, everybody who shoots their mouth off about this thing just don't know anything about it, obviously.

GUTFELD: I like the guest president thing.

BILA: I think that's a great idea.

GUILFOYLE: Amazing.

BILA: I second that.

GUILFOYLE: Mitt Romney.

BOLLING: Can I throw something in here?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

BOLLING: You know how many days congress worked this year? 133 days. Congress work 133 days, 232 days off this year.

BECKEL: And that's a republican house and a republican senate which means that the republicans are taking a lot more time than the president.

GUTFELD: But if they work less, it's better for America, the less damage they do. BECKEL: Especially when it comes to republicans. Particularly when it comes to republicans I couldn't agree more.

GUTFELD: President Obama should backpack through Europe.

BECKEL: Yeah. There you go.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. Hilarious. Great idea.

BECKEL: This maybe the first congress in the United States, the House of Representative have never passed, never passed a major bill. Congratulations to Boehner.

GUILFOYLE: And the senate's not a.

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BECKEL: He already handles lot of dogs on your right. It's a very difficult thing to do.

BOLLING: How many are sitting on.

GUILFOYLE: Sitting on the (inaudible) right. How many?

BECKEL: How many?

BOLLING: Several hundred?

BECKEL: Several Hundred coming form the house with a bunch of right wing cooks send it to?

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BECKEL: All right. One More Thing is up next.

(CROSSTALK)

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GUILFOYLE: Well, it's time now for One More Thing. And I just wanted to have a little perspective on things that matter in life. And I had a great weekend. I spent it handcuffed. Take a look at these pictures from my little baby. OK. There's me, that's me in the kitchen. My little boy Ronan(ph), my godson Odin, they said we're gonna handcuff together so we can be together forever which is very, very sweet.

BECKEL: Where did the handcuffs come from?

GUILFOYLE: Obviously I got.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: Any way, Bob, the things children find. There's Ronan with the new book.

BECKEL: You know many kids don't carry handcuffs.

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BECKEL: Do you think they get that on your place?

GUILFOYLE: And then, Ronan did painting and doing a little clay art project. And that's the outdoor fire table in my backyard. And that's the father (inaudible) of my godson Odin (inaudible). They are looking so pretty. We had a great time. And they made some smores too and didn't get too many mosquito bites.

BECKEL: Did your kid bring your handcuffs back?

GUILFOYLE: Yes I did. Thank you. They still work. Bolling.

BOLLING: OK. So, we have a border crisis, we have a big problem. Serious to answers, we need answers to serious issues. Maybe ideas, I don't know, a fence, more border agents, e-verify. Those would be helpful. What's not helpful, roll some of video of filmmaker James O'Keefe dawning an Osama Bin Laden mask and crossing the Rio Grand. Stick like that doesn't work. We have, honest to God, serious problems at the border. O'Keefe, give it a rest, my man. Really?

BILA: Wow.

GUILFOYLE: OK. That was a little unusual. Greg, you're up next.

GUTFELD: All right. So, there's a group of guys called the Gregory Brothers that the only band that is able to use the tool of Satan known as auto tune for good. Here they are reworking five years old no liters, Pennsylvania news cast at the county fair.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you think about the ride?

(AUDIO CLIP FROM GREGORY BROTHERS)

GUTFELD: That was pretty.

GUILFOYLE: I like that. OK. So, Bob, you're up next.

BECKEL: That was great. In 1959 Albert Early who was a senior at high school in Illinois was going to an NAACP convention in the park in their hometown. And he was not allowed to graduate because he happened to go to the picnic which is in the white side of the park. Well, 55 years later, he was finally given his diploma. He was not able to go to college because he didn't have his diploma. And I can only say congratulations to you and those of you who are involve and denying him and his diploma. A fox on your house, a curse on your house, and a course on your soul.

BILA: Oh, wow.

GUILFOYLE: Anything else, Bob, you might wanna say?

BECKEL: Well, I'd like to say something further, but I have been kept quiet this week.

GUILFOYLE: You seem kinda tearful though and in a good mood.

BECKEL: I'm in a good mood.

GUILFOYLE: You're taking a Flintstone vitamin again, right?

BECKEL: Very good mood. I wanna talk about something else, but I'm glad I had the chance to do this.

GUILFOYLE: OK, Jed.

BALI: All right. I have a little girl power story for you. Female pitcher Mo'Ne Davis, she's 13 years old. She led her team into the Little League World Series. She threw a three-hitter on Sunday, an eight-0 victory. And she will become the 17th girl to play in the Little League World Series in 68 years. All I have to say is, you go girl. We are proud of you.

GUTFELD: Don't say you go girl. That's a banned phrase.

BALI: It might be banned, not banned in my world (ph).

GUTFLED: I love that. I played fast pitch softball.

BECKEL: So, this is a trap?

GUILFOYLE: All right. Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." "Special Report," is next. We see you here, tomorrow.

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