Obama defends use of executive power

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 7, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST:  Hello, everyone.  I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York city and this is "The Five."


TANTAROS:  Does President Obama have a clue as to what Americans want from him?  Well, he thinks he does. 


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  The American people want to see action.  I promise you the American people don't want me to just standing around twiddling my thumbs and waiting for Congress to get something done.  I'm going to have to make choices.  That's what I was elected to do. 


TANTAROS:  But the president might want to stop ignoring his abysmal poll numbers.  A new approval survey indicates more Americans are fed up with him than ever, amid new threats of executive action to grant amnesty to millions of illegals.

"The National Journal's" Ron Fournier is warning overreach on immigration would be explosive for the country. 


RON FOURNIER, THE NATIONAL JOURNAL:  He's been a polarizing president.  This would be a nuclear bomb that would blow open, that makes this country more divided in a way most Americans just don't want.  


TANTAROS:  And Charles Krauthammer thinks that that's exactly what the president and his party may have in mind to help them stay in power.  

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST:  We have a Charles -- 


CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR:  I think this is impeachment bait.  They really know it would be such a violation of the separation of powers, that it will raise impeachment talk.  I think Obama is cynical enough to plunge us into a constitutional crisis, to gin up the vote, to bait the Republicans into impeachment, as a way to save his party in the midterm elections.  


TANTAROS:  Is that what the president is doing, Bob, baiting Republicans into impeachment and possible overreach?  And then a constitutional crisis because he thinks it will help them? 

BECKEL:  I'm all for all of it.  Listen, if -- the Democrats used the word impeachment, what, four times as much as the Republicans, for good reason.  I mean, they want the Republicans -- they want people to think that that's a possibility.  The last time they tried to impeach a Democratic president, they got actually --

TANTAROS:  Twenty times more they use the word.  

BECKEL:  Twenty times more?  Well, you know, it happens. 

But look, are we kidding ourselves?  What is this about?  I mean, the immigration thing is about, he believes it strongly, so do I.  You can't get the thing through.  But it's also a good voting issue. 

And so, once again, the Republicans will figure out a way to get no Hispanic votes and Democrats will get them, and we'll be laughing all the way to the bank.  Except not this year maybe.

TANTAROS:  Before I move on, the Democrats really believe it's a helpful issue for them?  Because Republicans think it's a helpful issue for them this August.  You work on elections.  Do you really think the Latino votes in the midterm is going to be enough to --

BECKEL:  The Latino vote is always so low in a midterm election, if this gins it up 5 percent or 8 percent, it makes a big difference. 

Look, the Republicans all are going to show up.  We're going to get beaten.  We know that.  The question is how bad are we going to get beaten?  If we get enough Latinos in there, we'll get a chance to not get beaten badly.

TANTAROS:  Eric, if the president does use executive action on immigration, what do you think Republicans should do?  Do you think they should impeach? 

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST:  No, because that goes to --

BECKEL:  Yes, you do.  

BOLLING:  No, I don't, Bob.  I really don't.  I've never said -- I never even uttered the word I don't think on this show or anywhere, because it's a ridiculous -- it's a dead-end game, because everyone knows how it goes.  Send it over to the senate, they go, yes, right, OK, good-bye.

Here's what's going on, though, in my -- we have three months, right, before the midterm elections.  So, this immigration issue isn't about the midterms anymore.  This is about 2016.  This is about Obama ginning up the base, getting the Democrats really worked up over immigration so they can run out in 2016.  It's brilliant.  He's playing team baseball right now and he's doing well. 

I think it's too late for the Senate.  It looks like all arrows are pointing towards Republicans in the House, Republicans in the Senate now, probably likely going to flip the Senate.  And that's -- honestly, that's good. 

I think Obama is going to try and do something like executive order, 5 million illegals that he'll say are kids.  Meanwhile, they're not necessarily kids.  It's a longer ball game for him.

TANTAROS:  Perfect setup, Bolling, because Joe Biden, Dana, calls them "our kids," these illegals.  Take a listen.  


JOSEPH BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  These are not somebody else's kids.  These are our kids.  These are the children that lift the national ambitions of these countries aloft.  It's a tragedy for the countries who are losing them and for us not being able to solve every one of their problems.  


TANTAROS:  They are all Joe Biden's children. 

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST:  We all are.


PERINO:  I mean, I thought we were all Obama's children.  Oh, no, that's the wrong story.

OK.  I think president Obama actually wants to do something very consequential.  I think the base of it. 

In 2007, when he joined with Harry Reid to deny a comprehensive immigration bill from going through, and then he was running for president, I think that he was elected, believing that he was going to do some major things.  Get America out of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, provide universal health care, nationalize the health care system, and solve the immigration problem.

He's looking at a clock that the sand is running out of the hourglass very quickly.  He realizes he's got to do it.  Plus, you can imagine the pressure from the Latino community, from his base, and also the competing pressure of understanding you've got the problem with the midterm election. 

I don't think he's so much worried about the midterm election, and I think there are Democrats that wish he was, I think President Obama is thinking of this as a much longer game.  I also believe at some point, I don't think he was elected to make choices, I think he was elected to persuade people that he's got the right ideas. 

One thing that would really help is if we could come to a definition of amnesty, because it's such a moving target.  Anytime somebody says maybe we could do this, that then becomes -- that's the new amnesty.  And I think if we could just -- if we could have a floor that we all agree on it, the debate would be a lot more satisfying, and then polls might change.  And they might work against President Obama as well.  That would be OK as long as we're debating on the merits.  

TANTAROS:  It doesn't sound like he wants to debate, though.  And all it takes, Greg, is one Republican to talk of impeachment.  That's all they really need.  I mean, no one's really talking about impeachment now.  The Democrats are talking about it.

So, it does seem like a trap.  It does seem like there's setting up Republicans.  

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST:  Well, there will never be a floor.  That's the whole game.  They will never agree to anything, because that's the lie.  If you believe in a border, in what Vice President Biden is suggesting is, then you have no compassion. 

If you use this logic, you know, in every sense of the word, the fence around the White House is a hate crime.  You should never have locks on your apartment.  You should not lock your car door at night because that's bigotry. 

Acting unilaterally, because he believes that's what people want.  It's like that "American Idol" contestant who's convinced he 'a great singer, because none of his friends have the guts to tell him he sucks.  Right now, Obama has no idea what he's doing, but nobody's telling him what he's doing is awful. 

Can I state the obvious, too, about yesterday's press conference?  He's boring.  I mean, that's his secret super power.  If he was a super hero, he would be monotony man.  He could literally kill you with his words.  He's a soulless bureaucrat.  And he only comes to life with his chosen people which are the fund-raisers.  Everywhere else, he's aspiring as a test pattern.  

BECKEL:  Well, tell me, give me the name of a Republican who's not boring.  Mitch McConnell --


GUTFELD:  It's a good question.  This is the challenge for the Republicans.  Christie's engaging, Rand Paul has a sense of humor.  But they haven't found that guy yet for their side. 

BECKEL:  You know, you also got something today, you were right about that thing, I forgot Obama opposed that immigration bill back in --

TANTAROS:  He did.

PERINO:  In 2007.  

BOLLING:  Because it wasn't comprehensive enough, right?  Isn't that what they said? 

PERINO:  No, because they -- because it didn't go far enough, yes, on the left-hand side.

One thing about the compassion point the Syrian -- I'm sorry, the compassion point that Joe Biden is making.  I wonder if they're just kind of wearing on America's nerves, because it's hypocritical.  So, is it true that the Central American children are our children, but the Syrian children are not?  Are the children of Mosul who are being targeted by ISIS in northern Iraq, are they not our children, too?  What about the girls in Africa?  Are those our children as well? 

TANTAROS:  They are, according to the selfie diplomacy, bring our girls back.  So, those girls are technically our -- 


PERINO:  They selectively play the compassion card.  And I think it does actually -- it doesn't win them any hands.  

GUTFELD:  What about Republican children? 

PERINO:  They are not --


GUTFELD:  That's right.

TANTAROS:  Actually, they would love to take care of and have control of everybody's kids in this world. 

Can I ask you about a strategy?  What you think about this, what I think Republicans should do?  I think if the president acts on executive order, I think they should let the courts handle this one.  I do think the law is the way to go.  If the courts find him in contempt of court, let Obama try and defy a court order. 

But in the meantime, I think if the House were really thinking, they'd be sending a bunch of bills against that executive order.  Harry Reid wouldn't bring them to the floor.  But let senators like Mary Landrieu defend that. 

BOLLING:  Good luck.  Duck and cover --

TANTAROS:  I mean, they're going to be freaking out if they did that strategy.

BECKEL:  The one thing I would say -- first of all, you said Republicans are thinking.  That's an oxymoron. 

GUTFELD:  No, that's not -- you used that incorrectly.  

BECKEL:  I did? 

GUTFELD:  Yes.  

BECKEL:  Sorry. 

In any event, the other -- you know, the other thing, I would feed on Dana's problem, my problem with the compassion thing -- Joe, I love Joe, but he got to keep putting his foot in the mouth all the time.  It's inner city blacks who are also saying, what about us?  You remember the series of things we saw with those -- 

GUTFELD:  Right.

BECKEL:  -- when people were saying, what about us? 

BOLLING:  Texas, Chicago.

GUTFELD:  That's right.  I said that to Juan.  I said, why isn't the left coming out against amnesty?  Because the jobs -- they're going to lose jobs to the cheap labor, that other folks are going to take.  It's actually going to hurt those who need it the most. 

BECKEL:  Except that they're not going to take those jobs --

GUTFELD:  That's what unions -- but the unions feel the same way, right? 

BECKEL:  Well, they've actually opened the (INAUDIBLE) because they know that the people who are doing these jobs won't do it.  They won't get people to do it.  And that's why they keep --

TANTAROS:  No, it's always been a wedge issue.  It was in 2006. 

You bring up a great point, Greg, in 2006, the unions were so anti- immigration, because it was taking construction jobs away from their workers.  I think they probably got a deal with the White House that if we get this bill, let's roll all of the illegals into our membership, because that's the biggest issue facing the unions. 

Eric, what do you think about that?  What do you think about having this come crashing down on Senate Democrats before the midterms?  Just keep spending bills and let Mary Landrieu stand next to Harry Reid? 

BOLLING:  They want no part of it.  They're running ducking and cover -- everyone who's in a tight -- every Democratic senator who's in a tight race are saying, we're not going there with this one.  They don't want any part of President Obama, either, before the midterm elections.  They're distancing themselves. 

Joe Biden, they're our kids.  What -- and the difference between the Syrian kids and the Boko Haram kids, is it that they're here on our soil, so therefore they're our kids?  So, all you have to do is arrive here and you become an American child, Bob?  Surely, you don't agree, you don't subscribe to that.

BECKEL:  You know, what I don't understand is, honest to God, there are 11 1/2 million illegal people in this country and you're worried about 60,000 people kids on the border.  


TANTAROS:  -- to 100,000 to 200,000 -- 

PERINO:  I think that's hurting President Obama, is the conflating of the two issues.  So, earlier, about two months ago, the White House said, we have a humanitarian crisis on our border.  With the new influx of the ones that came this summer.  But then they have -- then they also, in the same sentence, talk about the 12 million who have been here for 20 years.  Those two things are not the same.  They could -- in 20 years, they could be the same.

But I think that conflating them is basically wearing people out.  And there's a real worry about more comprehensive legislation that no one reads in Congress.  So, unfortunately, I think they're at an impasse.  Everybody's going to be at an impasse.  But that might electorally work in the favor of --   

BECKEL:  I still think they'll get a lame duck immigration bill.

PERINO:  That's what you said last time.  

BECKEL:  I know.  But I think they will.  I think they will get it.

PERINO:  The last lame duck you said that, too.  

BECKEL:  OK, I'll say it again.  

TANTAROS:  You know, August messaging, too.  It sounds to me like the Republican Party is going to be talking about overcrowding in schools, bankrupting local city budgets.  I think that's pretty smart to do that.  As Dana points out, this compassion argument, it doesn't seem to be bearing out in the polls, because Americans are saying, what about my kids? 

GUTFELD:  Well, what's the most disturbing part of that poll?  What was it, 70 percent? 

PERINO:  Seventy-six percent.  

GUTFELD:  Believe that their children are not going to be better off than they were.  So essentially what they were saying is, the American dream that they believe in is dying.  The problem is, if you come from an ideology in which you believe the ideology -- I mean, the American dream hurts others, then seeing the American dream die makes you jubilant, to see the American dream, you want it contained, quarantined before it spreads to other countries.  You don't like it. 

BECKEL:  Let's keep in mind what this poll says.  Overwhelming, almost 90 percent of the Republicans, think these kids ought to be sent back.  When you get to independents, it's a lot closer.  And amongst Democrats, it's very strongly in favor of it.

I'll tell you, I think you guys -- you're right, it may be getting a little more than the people want to listen to.  In the end, from my standpoint, Republicans continue to figure out a way to drive the Hispanic votes away and go ahead and do it, because there are so many of them coming along, that you'll never going to elect a president of the United States --


GUTFELD:  Then you're admitting, then you're admitting an important point, that you're putting politics before the country.  

BECKEL:  I am.  

PERINO:  And before the children.

GUTFELD:  That's why I love you.

PERINO:  Where are the children going to be -- who is going to care for them? 

BOLLING:  There's illegal immigration solution to it.  Just literally triple quadruple your illegal immigrants and guess what happens, Bob -- everyone is -- why do Republicans don't jump on this, I have no idea, because it alleviates the opportunity for Democrats to say, you're anti- immigration, aren't you?  No.  We'll do it legally.  Let's do it the right way.

TANTAROS:  They got to be for legal immigration, no question.  

All right.  Next, there's breaking news in the Middle East.  Hamas has just issued a new threat to Israel.  One terrorist just appeared on TV to deliver it.  Eric's got the details. 

Plus, Sean Hannity just had a sit-down with Israeli prime minister Bibi Netanyahu.  You're going to see some of that exclusively, up next.


SHEPARD SMITH, FOX NEWS ANCHOR:  There is breaking news on FOX News Channel.  I'm Shepard Smith on the FOX News deck.

"The New York Times" is reporting, and the Pentagon is flatly denying, that the United States has just carried out bombing raids in Iraq. 

Here's what "The Times" is reporting:

American military forces bombed at least two targets in northern Iraq today to rout Islamic insurgents who had trapped tens of thousands of religious minorities in Kurdish areas, so in the north of Iraq.  Word of the bombings reported on Kurdish television in the city of Erbil came as President Obama was preparing to make a statement in Washington.  We have every reason to believe, but we have not yet confirmed, that the president is planning some sort of statement.  Kurdish officials say the bombing targeted fighters from Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, who had seized two towns, Gwer and Mahmour.  Residents who had fled those areas by car were honking their horns in approval. 

That's the reporting of "The New York Times."

Now, the Pentagon has flatly denied and just sent out a statement, over Twitter, "Press reports that U.S. has conducted airstrikes in Iraq completely false.  No such actions taken."

Anyone who's been with us throughout the day knows that the situation in Iraq has been deteriorating, and quickly.  Over the past 24 hours, tens of thousands of people have been trapped in the mountains in the Kurdish north.  These are Christians and other religious minorities there who have run from the fighting on the ground.  Remember, the Kurds have the Peshmerga, a very well-trained and very well-organized fighting force.  They ran out of ammunition as these Islamic state fighters were coming toward them, and they relinquished two towns. 

They're now, as we're told, on their way toward the town of Erbil.  And what's happened is, these religious minorities have been trapped up in the mountains.  Some 40,000 people are there, and those 40,000 people are said to be in extreme danger and expected to die in a matter of days if they don't get food and water. 

We know the United States is considering air drops.  We have presidential decision on that said to be imminent.  Whether that will happen or not, we can't yet know. 

The other problem is here, in the city of Erbil on this map, this is Mosul.  This is Mosul here and this is Erbil in Iraq.  This is where many of the United States military forces who have been sent over as advisers, as we put it, are conducting their operations.  ISIS is on the move in that direction.  They're very concerned about our U.S. military personnel there.

And the thinking within the Pentagon is, no one has confirmed this, that if these forces from the United States get in some sort of trouble, that there might be some sort of airstrikes.  One other thing, these Islamic forces have taken over the largest of its kind just near Mosul.  Their great concerns that they could either flood many areas with a 65-foot wall of power or cut off water and power.  So, a lot is happening in Iraq right now.  The headline is, "The New York Times" reports that the United States has carried out bombing strikes in two towns in Iraq, and the Pentagon has flatly denied it all. 

Updates when we get them.  I'm Shepard Smith. 

BOLLING:  All right.  We have other breaking news tonight.  The 72-hour cease-fire in the Middle East expires tomorrow morning.  And now, there's word that Hamas may not agree to extend it. 

The terror network says it's ready to resume a long war unless its demands are met by Israel.  Hamas spokesman listed the demands in an appearance on Arab TV today.  Hamas is insisting a blockade against Gaza be lifted and all the crossings into Egypt and Israel are open.

At a rally today in Gaza City, another Hamas thug said, quote, "Our fingers are on the trigger, and our rockets are trained on Tel Aviv."

Israel's prime minister is warning this great battle must be stopped now.  Sean Hannity got an exclusive interview with Bibi Netanyahu airing tonight.  Here's a clip. 


BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER:  If in this great melee, in this conflagration, this great battle, one of these militants, in this case the Shiite militants, backed by Iran, sponsored by Iran, if they have an Iranian nuclear umbrella, if Iran itself can intimidate the U.S. with intercontinental ballistic missiles carrying nuclear warheads, then we bring the history into a different threshold altogether. 

It's not a spin.  It's not a whim.  It is a clinical diagnosis of a pathological movement that is sweeping our area, but will soon come to a theater near you.  It has to be stopped, now. 


BOLLING:  All right.  So the rest of that interview is going to air tonight on Hannity at 10:00 p.m.  Bob, weigh in on what we heard both Hamas saying we're ready to fire, and Netanyahu saying, you better not. 

BECKEL:  I mean, if Hamas is saying those are the conditions, there's not going to be -- there's no way.  I mean, no way Israel is going to lift the blockade on Gaza.  So, it's a play on their part.  My assumption is, if they're going to continue it, that means they have enough arms to do it.

But what Netanyahu is saying is very important.  I mean, what he's basically is, and I think, frankly, it's a little over the edge, where he says if Iran intimidates the United States with an intercontinental ballistic missile, the Iranians are so far away from intercontinental ballistic missile, Greg's got a closer shot in his basement than the Iranians do right now. 


BECKEL:  The question is -- really, I mean, that kind of thing, I can understand why he says it, because it gins up people's response in this country and gets people scared, they don't follow up.  But the idea that Iran has got an intercontinental ballistic missile is so --

BOLLING:  So, the one thing that Israel is asking a demilitarized Gaza and if Hamas says we have our finger on the trigger, that's a pretty good indication they're not ready to lay down the weapons.  Can we roll the sound, everyone wants to weigh in on this.  Can we roll the sound of President Obama yesterday talking about the conflict? 



OBAMA:  No country would tolerate rockets being launched into their cities.  And as a consequence, I have consistently supported Israel's right to defend itself.  It is important to remember that Hamas acts extraordinarily irresponsibly when it is deliberately siting rocket launchers in population centers. 


BOLLING:  All yours, Greg.

GUTFELD:  OK.  Saying Hamas acting irresponsibly, that's like describing hijackers as being rude.  Built into that belief, a misguided belief is terrorists somehow can act responsibly, which is extraordinarily naive -- to keep using Obama's extraordinary.  When you add extraordinary to a word, it doesn't add value.

It's a stark contrast -- you were saying this -- between this and Netanyahu.  Here with Netanyahu, you have a man who puts a country before the world.  With Obama, you have somebody who puts the world before the country. 

BOLLING:  When my 15-year-old forgets to walk Freedom, that would be irresponsible, acting irresponsibly.  

Ands, your thoughts on -- an understand, huh?

TANTAROS:  He couldn't say extraordinarily evil.  I mean, he makes it sound like they forgot to fasten their seat belts.


TANTAROS:  Right?  He has harsher rhetoric for Republicans.  We've heard in that way.  And I also think the disconnect between the president and his spokespeople, or his cabinet secretaries is pretty glaring.  I mean, Jen Psaki had harsher words for Israel by calling them -- their action disgraceful over the weekend.  We hear the secretary of defense talking about -- troops lining up at the border to invade Ukraine, and Obama saying sanctions are working.  It's like he's not even talking to these people that work for him. 

But also, you know, I feel Netanyahu felt like he had to do what he had to do yesterday.  I don't think that he should come out and explain himself.  It felt like he was justifying because there's so much pressure to defend themselves.

I think Israel has their friends, they have their enemies, right now, they should focus on obliterating Hamas and the U.S. should step aside and let them do it. 

BOLLING:  Dana, you made a very, very interesting observation.  The difference between the two pressers.

PERINO:  All right.  So, there are two press conferences yesterday.  I don't think they were set up to duel with one another because Netanyahu's press conference in Israel was in the morning.  He did a press conference.  He conducted it in English.  And there was -- he spoke without notes, and from the heart and with passion, because he has a responsibility of protecting his people from rockets that are being lobbed at him.

In the meantime, President Obama's press conference, showing up an hour and 20 minutes late does not show there's any sense of urgency on your part.  And not -- there was no reason for the delay, and it wasn't -- I'm not going to harp on the delay, I just think it is symbolic --

GUTFELD:  To preempt our show, I mean, that's the real tragedy.  

PERINO:  Can I also mention?  I found today an article by Michael Duran, and it was in "Mosaic Magazine," it was a really good description about President Obama's approach in the Middle East.  It started at the beginning that instead of seeing the players in the Middle East at a rectangle table, he sees it as a round table. 

At a rectangular table, you have one side versus the other side.  At a round table, you have everybody as an equal partner.  So, that is why I think you see the constant attention.  You have America's traditional allies all think, with Israel, that America has changed its position. 

BECKEL:  Well, traditional allies are sounding nothing.  I mean, it's one thing for Netanyahu, look, he can be very, very eloquent when you're getting bombed in your cities.  Try to compare the two of them I think is not a fair comparison. 

By the way, this table thing, that's interesting.  You guys weren't born there, but the Vietnam War, they had to make a circular table to get everybody on the table.--


BOLLING:  All right, quickly.

TANTAROS:  We have changed our position.  We used to not negotiate with terrorist organizations.  Now, we have a president talking about returning to '67 borders, making these comments.  He didn't sound like he believed it yesterday.  I mean, he really did not sound like he thinks Israel has the right to defend itself.  

BOLLING:  We must run.  Make sure you catch all of Hannity's interview with Bibi Netanyahu tonight, 10:00 p.m. Eastern.

Coming up, an Ivy League student wants to protect herself from a predator but a school won't let her carry a gun on campus, so she may have to drop out.  You'll hear all about that from Greg, next.


GUTFELD: Dartmouth student, Taylor Woolrich, says, she may leave school because she can't carry a gun on campus, despite having a crazed stalker. When, Woolrich is 16, an obsessed middle age creep, not me, would follow her home from work. She filed a restraining order but he kept at it, promising to visit her at school and showing up at her front door. He's in jail. Found in his car, a noose, knife and gloves. To be fair, maybe he was on a scavenger hunt. Woolrich still lives in fear, but darkness won't budge, which I get. But if I were her, I would still pack heat.

Now, I get the concern about arming co-eds. I went to college once, I think. But, there are kids that same age who carry, it's called the military. They can handle it. Stalkers are called stalkers, because they don't quit, which means their target has just one recourse, boom. But this anti-gun push is more about the sexist notion that girls shouldn't have guns. Guns are deadly objects, but so are cars. Perhaps only men should drive.

The fact is, guns do more for female empowerment than modern feminism which prefers government as their protector, but legal ownership gives you real power, equalizing the battle you and evil. Afghani girls, the confidence from learning to shoot a pistol is far superior to any gender studies course, and a stalker is less likely to stalk if you can ventilate his groin, which is why a worrying (ph) bullet is the ideal rape whistle and the real feminist icon should be Annie Oakley, not Sandra Fluke. Hey, Andrea, should she carry anyway, like to just to say I'm not but carry?

ANDREA TANTAROS, "The Five" HOST: You know, I thought about this. If it were me, I probably would.

DANA PERINO, "The Five" HOST: Yeah.

TANTAROS: If you have a restraining order against somebody and the school is not guaranteeing your protection, if it were me, I would carry, and I trust myself with a gun. However, I agree with you on the concealed carry on campus. It makes me a little bit nervous. Frat parties, drugs, alcohol, what could go wrong. I mea, do we really want an open carry kegger? Do we want Niedermayer walking around on our Delta house? I don't think so, but, I am very.


GUTFELD: .ROTC remember?

TANTAROS: But they're responsible. In the military, they're responsible. The typical college kid, I don't know. I just think it's too risky and I also think Dartmouth is a private institution and they should be allowed to do whatever they want to do.

GUTFELD: Well, Eric, that's the point that Dartmouth, they said couldn't armed students could escalate an already explosive situation. Couldn't you say that about campus security?

ERIC BOLLING, "The Five" HOST: And there's the heart of the gun debate right there. Private property, do you have the right to say what, who can and can't carry on private property? And clearly, it's yes, you do, you can. You can disagree with it. Anecdotally, this past weekend, I'm in Arizona with my family. We go to the movie theater, swear t God, true story. Big old sign at the door says, no guns whatsoever, no bullets, no ammunition allowed in this movie theater. Thought number one is, wow, I feel vulnerable. I don't even want to go in here.

PERINO: Look at Colorado.

BOLLING: Thought number two was, these poor clerks that have to go and take money and put it in the register every single day, I'm telling you, to say no guns allowed is an invitation for bad things to happen from bad people. Don't you think?

GUTFELD: I agree completely. Dana, isn't an armed woman the best defense against assault?

PERINO: I think that, yes, if you're responsible. I would imagine. I can't put myself in her shoes. I've never been in that position, of being stalked would be distress.

GUTFELD: Both of your feet in one shoe.

PERINO: Maybe. The distress that she must feel, and then her parents must feel would probably lead her to a decision to maybe leave the school. And so, that becomes a marketing issue for schools, and if you maybe make a decision based on that, but I think Dartmouth has the right to have its rules.

GUTFELD: Bob, you're one an art in feminist, one of the first true feminists. Why haven't feminists picked up this whole pro-gun idea?

BOB BECKEL, ON "The Five" HOST: I can't answer for feminist organizations, but I can answer this, that is I'd rather have women having guns on campus than men, that's for sure.

GUTFELD: I agree.

BECKEL: And the idea -- Andrea's right, this is a private institution. The idea is letting people carry guns around, I frankly think, I've got to be careful here, because I got in trouble on this campus thing before, and not on (inaudible) be careful.

GUTFELD: I'm being careful, OK.

BECKEL: I think it's a bad idea for them to carry guns, and I think Dartmouth is exactly right to say.

TANTAROS: Dartmouth, these professors probably teach something else about your right to bear arms on private property.

BECKEL: Let's not get into that. They have to.


TANTAROS: Let's talk about the hypocrisy, huh?

GUTFELD: Ahead, one of the hard choices Hillary Clinton needs to make, is staying off TV. We'll show you her latest on-air disaster. This time it's on Colbert, next.  


PERINO: Politicians and late night comedy always make for a good mix, as long as there's something funny to say. But when it turns out like this, can anyone be taken seriously. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited the Colbert Report on Tuesday, where the comedy central funny man and featured host of the late show seemed very happy to play along with her stale routine. Take a look.


STEPHEN COLBERT, THE COLBERT REPORT HOST: I question your title. It's called hard choices, but there any real hard choices in here? Which would you rather fight, one horse sized duck or a hundred duck-sized horses?

HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: I try to find common ground between ducks and horses. They both grew up on old MacDonald's farm. We would have peace, peace here, peace, peace there. Here a peace, there a peace, everywhere a peace.

COLBERT E-I-E-I, oh, you're good!


PERINO: Now, some people might have liked it. And in fact, Greg, at The New York Times, David (inaudible), my (inaudible) says his name, he wrote, if Hillary Rodham Clinton decides to sit out the 2016 presidential race, she may have a future as a sketch comic, and he's not joking.

GUTFELD: That was manufactured by the Colbert Show to increase her popular appeal among that demographic, after a number of consecutive disastrous appearances on TV. So, Colbert from a provocateur to a propagandist, and it's sad, because he's a funny guy. I want to just erase it from my mind but it was spontaneous as a glacier and everybody is tedious. I need to forget that it was in my head.

BOLLING: So, he wrote, E-I-E-I, oh, you're good?


BOLLING: Let us make a quick point and then move on. She ain't no Bill Clinton.


BOLLING: He was on all the talk shows, whether sitting with.

PERINO: Arsenio Hall.

BOLLING: Arsenio Hall, yeah, playing the.

PERINO: Right? And so.

BOLLING: It was cool. She, not so much.

PERINO: When it's authentic -- some of the best comedic timing -- some of the best comedic timing in politics today, I think President Obama's got it. Chris Christie has it. So, when it works, you know, you can hit a home run with it. But when it is manufactured and not authentic, does it actually hurt you or does it not matter?

TANTAROS: I think it does. I think hurts you especially after a bad book tour. You do this stuff when you're on top. If she would have had a really strong series of interviews, maybe she could say, OK, safe to rain (ph), I'm gonna try and convince them I'm funny. The thing, she's never been able to convince people that she's funny. It's just not her same, I mean, as you point out, President Obama is very funny at those White House correspondent dinners. Hillary Clinton just doesn't have it. And especially, now, as I feel like her staff, which didn't do a very good job of briefing her on these tours, but they didn't have a lot to work with, should have said to her, OK, maybe not right now, you're former secretary of the state, let's wait n this, let's give it some time. She looks unserious, and it's not funny.

PERINO: And, Bob, what happens in our society when the comedians start protecting the politicians?

BECKEL: Well, again, first of all, that was badly done. I mean, I would not -- if I were them, I would like that erase, but here's the thing I have a problem with this. He likes her. You know, and, Greg, argues and you guys argue that these people are in the tank for Hillary. Yes. If I were -- had a republican on my show, I would not be in the tank for them, I would be aggressive. If I had somebody I liked, I would be in the tank so far, you would absolute it's premium gasoline.

BOLLING: Can I give an alternative motive? Who's going to take over the late show, right? For Letterman? He's sucking up to her now. So, he can get.

PERINO: To get an interview?

BOLLING: Yeah. So, if she becomes president, he's sure he'll have her.

PERINO: You have one last word?

GUTFELD: Well, OK, two things. What was sadder than that was the audience. The audience applauded like seals with head injuries. Every punch line they were howling. A buddy of mine joked her as a comedian, said the comedians are supposed to create this comfort. He did, but not in the way it was intended.

PERINO: I'm uncomfortable.

TANTAROS: And, Bob, said they loved her. She could vomit on the table and The New York Times would say.

GUTFELD: She almost did.


PERINO: It's amazing, and so she has to run for president. She'd be a rink of really good.


BOLLING: Can you get an audience survive for anything just put that clock (ph), can we try it?

PERINO: All right, up next, is it a bear or very hairy human? Something strange was just caught strolling around a neighborhood in New Jersey. I'm gonna try to figure out what it was, coming up.


BECKEL: This is a Fox News bear alert. Now, we've gone from nuclear weapons, Hamas, Israel, presidential politics, and what does a liberal get? He gets a bear. All right, now, there's a bear running around Virginia, supposedly, got on the internet -- no, in New Jersey. First of all, I wouldn't live in New Jersey, but the point is that a bear is running around on his back feet and people are saying it's not real, that this is just a hoax. So, Eric, you live in New Jersey. Is it a hoax?

BOLLING: A lot of bears in New Jersey. It looks like a hoax, but then there was a second video that came out later in the day, a collaborating video from another angle from a porch that showed -- look at that. It's so funny. It's too funny to watch. But, look, it looks like a bear to me. I'm going to go with it. It's legit.

BECKEL: Well, it is true that bears when they're injured walk on their back feet. That looks like sass -- what's his name? sasquatch. All right, Dana, you may have to say about this at all?

PERINO: Well, I've been -- just check one thing. We got the height of the bear, and we can confirm it is not Greg Gutfeld.

GUTFELD: You know, it is. It's a completely nude Robin Williams. If you watch the rest of this tape, he goes into his house and snorts two lines of coke.

BECKEL: There you go. You're also -- you're not from Jersey, are you?

TANTAROS: No, Pennsylvania.

BECKEL: Pennsylvania, that's.

TANTAROS: Easy, Bob.


BECKEL: Go ahead. What do you think? Do you think it's real?

TANTAROS: There's lots of bears in Pennsylvania.

BECKEL: Yes, there are.

TANTAROS: I'm not a bear expert. I've spent some time analyzing the video, though. This is not real, when he gets down on all fours, he cat crawls. Bears don't cat crawl.

BECKEL: Oh, I see.

TANTAROS: This is the whole.


PERINO: You were prepared for that segment.

BECKEL: Yeah, in Pennsylvania, how do you see (ph) in Pennsylvania, you can't drive the Pennsylvania turnpike, because everybody's shooting bullets across the street, so you know about bears, right?

TANTAROS: I wouldn't go that far.

BECKEL: You're from Allentown, too, right?

TANTAROS: I sure am.


BECKEL: Bear alert, and it's typical, liberal gets this one, and the liberal wants to get out of here right now. So, one more thing, is up next, I don't want to talk about this damn bear anymore.


TANTAROS: Time now for one more thing. Beckel's first.

BECKEL: I tell you, with all the polarization going on in Washington, and people arguing, democrats, and republicans, yesterday there was a conference on the U.S.-Africa relations at the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in Washington. And Michelle Obama had some -- did it with Laura Bush. Michelle Obama said about Laura Bush, Laura Bush set a high bar for me during her time in the White House. She's continuing to do outstanding good work around the world, since you know, her husband left Washington. And I consider her not just a role model, but also a friend. She's referring to the fact that the Bushes, when nobody else was willing to deal with the AIDS and African crisis, they did. And well deserved praise. I would also like to see the fact the two of them get together like that, get along. It seems to me, to be perfectly honest, and it's a good thing -- I think it's a good thing to sort of have Washington pay a little attention to something like that?

GUTFELD: It makes me sick to my stomach. I just thought I'd give the opposite of that.

BECKEL: I'm done.

PERINO: You're done?

GUTFELD: That was beautiful.

PERINO: You hate when people get along.

GUTFELD: I know.

BECKEL: I think it's nice, and having this is very nice, and look, she -- and I never thought the Bushes -- you know, I'm the first beater up Bush there is but I don't think they never haven't get up there.


PERINO: Don't beat around the Bush.

BECKEL: But I think they never got enough credit for Africa, so, that before, I'll say it again, I don't know why they didn't, but they did.


PERINO: OK. I'm gonna go ahead. We want to wish a very happy retirement to one of Fox News' greatest correspondents, Steve Centanni. He announced his retirement yesterday. He's been with Fox News channel since 1996. He's had a long, fascinating, very successful career. And Fox is fortunate to have had him as part of the network for so long. I just want to say, I remember in 2006 when Steve and his photographer, cameraman, were taken hostage by Hamas. Tony Snow, who was a longtime Fox News Anchor, and then he was White House press secretary at the time, I remember he would was working double time, running downstairs in the situation room, trying to make sure that everything was being done to help -- get Steve and Tony and Olag free. And thankfully that was successful. So, Steve, congratulations, and thank you for all you did at Fox.

BECKEL: Thanks to Tony's coordination on that, Fox and other networks took very well together, they never reported Centanni was picked up. (Inaudible) got on the phone, Tony was in the middle of it. I think they probably saved Centanni, they really do.

TANTAROS: He looks fantastic, too.

BECKEL: There he goes.

TANTAROS: Too young to retire. He looks great. What's your secret, Steve? Greg, hurry.

GUTFELD: Well, this is a story that Shep refuses to cover. The brutal and disgusting sport of musical chairs.





GUTFELD: Beautiful.

BOLLING: Oh, gosh. That's great.

PERINO: I love a rodeo.

GUTFELD: I know, you know, good news is, no one was injured. Although, they had to take the chair out and shoot it.


BECKEL: The woman running the dog around at the west minister dog show, and she's the big heavy leg, she slipped and she squished the dog.

BOLLING: Sorry, that was a movie.

GUTFELD: I love how you have to keep reminding him that was a movie.

BECKEL: No, it wasn't a movie. The movie was made off that woman.

PERINO: Did that happen in the '70s?

BECKEL: I don't know, it could have happened in 1890. I would have been there, but it was.

TANTAROS: Maybe you imagined it.

BECKEL: Quite possibly true.

TANTAROS: So, Andrew Governor -- Andrew Cuomo is the Democratic Governor here in the State of New York and he's getting quite a bit of attention but not from the media outlets that typically would give him some coverage for corruption. So, there's a number of news outlets that are covering the governor, just to give you the cliff notes version of this, for setting up a commission, the Moreland Commission in New York to investigate corruption. Well, it turns out Governor Cuomo tried to stop this commission from investigating him. A bit corrupt, I'd say. And guess what, media outlets aren't having it, including many of them in New York. This is a story that's not getting coverage on someone who's a very potential 2016 nominee. Here's some snippets of it.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The governor created a panel to tackle corruption, then systematically blocked it from probing anything related to himself.


JON STEWART, THE DAILY SHOW HOST: Say it ain't so, Andy. Say it ain't so.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This level of facts existed about, let's say, of Chris Christie? This would be on the network evening newscast every night.


TANTAROS: And there's a lot more serious journalists covering this story, but it's very important.


BECKEL: Let Gary get in here.

BOLLING: And gets a lot less coverage than bridge gate with Christie. Very quickly, my wife has been hounding me to get a flag at the beach house. I have to show you what she had put up. Take a look at this picture. There's the video. Show the picture very quickly.

PERION: That looks great.

BOLLING: It's the biggest flag on the beach. And you know what? Bigger is better when it comes to flag.

TANTAROS: That's great. All right, set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five."

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