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New developments on passenger plane shot down over Ukraine

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 18, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Hello, everyone, I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Andrea Tantaros and Greg Gutfeld. It's 8 o'clock in New York City and this is a special edition of "The Five."

Tonight, new developments on the passenger plane shot down over Ukraine. President Obama says pro-Russian separatists are to blame. Did Vladimir Putin help them? That's what the world wants to know. Also tonight, Israeli troops are pushing deeper into Gaza and its ground offensive to cripple Hamas. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered them to prepare for a significantly wider campaign that could last up to two weeks. We have team Fox coverage. John Huddy is in Gaza City, Ed Henry is at the White House. But, first, we begin with Steve Harrigan in Kiev, Ukraine. Steve?

STEVE HARRIGAN, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: European crash expert officials from the OSCE are already on site in eastern Ukraine, but they say they are not being allowed to do their job by Russian-backed rebels. Here in the capital of Kiev anger remains white hot with fingers pointed straight at Russia. Officials saying this was an act of terrorism by the Russians. People on the street also pushing their government to respond with force to what they consider an outrageous action. It is difficult to form any analysis on the ground. That's because where the plane went down about 25 miles from the Russian border. It's still an active fighting zone. You can hear the sound of Russian-built Grad rockets as well as gunfire in the area. And getting to that territory is no easy feat with many of the roads with checkpoints or roads destroyed as well. All sides still pointing the finger at each other, but the real question is what is going to happen next? Will this be a motive for a possible cease-fire now that the global implications of this fight in eastern Ukraine have become clear to everyone? Both President Obama and President Putin of Russia have called for an immediate cease-fire but with tensions now running so high, that could prove to be a difficult challenge. Back to you guys.

GUILFOYLE: Thanks, Steve. Let's go now to Fox News John Huddy in Gaza City where Israel is stepping up its ground and air offensive. John?

JOHN HUDDY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, the past 24 hours has been some of the bloodiest and also most intense fighting. So far in operation Protective Edge. And some of that fighting has come very close to us. In fact, just about 10 minutes ago there was a heavy missile strike just behind the location where we are. And we're kind of on guard at this point because there has been several in this area. There was also incoming artillery fire across the street on a location along the coast here. And all day that's been the case since all this started last night. When ground troops started moving in over the Israel/Gaza border. We have seen and heard a lot of explosions, a lot of fighting to the north. And now troops are pushing even further into Gaza City. And a lot of that action has been in and around our location as I said. The number one objective here in operation Protective Edge is to go in and root out the underground tunnels, the network of tunnels created by Hamas throughout a network of them zigzagging under Gaza, Gaza City, north Gaza, east Gaza as well. And that's where troops primarily are staged right now. More than 70,000 troops are amassed at this point along the border. So, we're expecting things to intensify throughout the evening into the overnight hours and the early morning. Right now, according to my watch, it is just past 3:00 a.m. So this is when the things really start kicking off as we have seen the past 11 days. Back to you.

GUILFOYLE: Thanks, John. Now to the White House where Ed Henry has new reaction from President Obama today. Ed?

ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Kimberly, the president just got off the phone with a series of world leaders. He is headed to Camp David for the weekend. But before leaving was on the phone with the prime minister of Australia, U.K. talking mostly about trying to build support for getting international investigators into Ukraine to basically investigate the crime scene. Right now, we're told separatists are still armed on the scene, preventing investigators from getting in there. There is great fear here at the White House that evidence is going to be taken to Russia, including the black boxes. There is going to be a coverup. And that's something the president has been forceful on. What he has been less forceful on and a very interesting contrast in tone today between he and Samantha Power, his ambassador to the United Nations. At a news conference here at the White House. President is very cautious about what to do with Vladimir Putin. How to respond to Russia. If in fact they were involved directly or indirectly here in shooting down this jetliner. The president said we still don't have all the evidence. We don't want to get ahead of the facts. Also saying that you know, he is going to take the military option, the U.S. military option off the table. Republican John McCain says this shows the president's leadership has been AWOL. Listen.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: We don't see U.S. military role beyond what we have already been doing in working with our NATO partners and some of the Baltic States, giving them reassurances that we are prepared to do whatever is required to meet our alliance obligations.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R) ARIZONA: There is American - perception of American weakness throughout the world and we are paying a very heavy price for it. And we will continue to until we have restoration of American strength.

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HENRY: Big focus on what's next here. The president taking that military option off the table. So, the focus is on sanctions. The president today making the case that this should be a wakeup call for European allies to step up with tougher sanctions against Russia. But, so far, European allies have rejected that. They are worried it will boomerang on their own economies if they go after Russia number one. And number two the U.S. sanctions so far have had some impact on the Russian economy, but they have seemed to have had little impact on Putin and his actions. Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Ed Henry live from the White House. Thank you. All right, Eric, let's talk about next steps. Ed Henry mentioning some economic sanctions. What steps we need to take going forward. And of course, we also heard an update regarding the investigation. The rebels and separatists are still blocking access to that forensic rich crime environment to determine exactly what happened and who is responsible.

ERIC BOLLING, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: And I think the most important thing that Ed pointed out is that the president is cautious. If you think back 30 years -- 30 or 40 years ago when President Reagan was president, the Russians knocked down a Korean airliner .

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: 269 people died in that. President Reagan came out very forcefully with the Russians and they backed off. Ed is right. Sanctions, that's what we need to do. And I think Ed points out that the European Union is nervous about sanctions. Because frankly, a lot of the European Union gets a lot of their oil and gas from Russia and they are worried about any sort of maybe stoppage or prices going higher for them.

So you want to put some pressure on Russia. I talked about the earlier show that maybe we put some sanctions on Russia in the oil business. I got a better idea. I'm just, you know, thinking about this. Let's do, I don't know, let's help out the European Union with oil prices. If oil prices go higher, we will help them out, we'll ship them some oil, we will help them out with some natural gas. We will arrange for natural gas to go there. I will tell you they would immediately - immediately fix their problem with Russia.

GUILFOYLE: To provide an incentive for them to come stand side by side with the United States.

BOLLING: Correct.

GUILFOYLE: And pressing Russia with economic sanctions that will have meaning. You also heard John McCain speaking there. Greg, talking about sort of the absence of a leadership or meaningful input from the United States that the world leaders including and most especially Putin are not standing back when it comes to facing President Obama on this.

GREG GUTFELD, FOX NEWS: Yeah. I mean it, it seems like in certain crises, Obama is more MIA than Casey Kasem. Crime scene is ruined. It's not - but we have to understand, it is our crime scene. There was an American killed there. I don't know why we were asking Russia for help in this or any -- or - they have - what they are doing is they are violating a law. This is -- this is a crime scene that involves no Russians, as far as I can tell. So, this is about other countries finding their -- finding about their loved ones and finding out what happened. The other thing is, saying that there are no military options is a really stupid thing to say. Because there is a military option. And it is not -- it doesn't mean war, it means troops.

It means sending troops to certain countries nearby, which will tick off Putin and also a military option is building up our military. We are drawing down right now. Maybe it's time to build back up. Because the world is a dangerous place. It's an ugly place, and if we are not here to help fix the problem, then we are part of the problem. You can't maintain freedom unless you make some ugly, tough choices.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Andrea?

ANDREA TANTAROS, FOX NEWS: Well, Putin just feels that he can do whatever he wants because for years now we have been perceived as weak. I mean the president has made promises to the Russians, everyone remembers that open mike moment he is drawing red lines that he has not enforced. And now we are basically saying we trust you along with other countries to investigate this. They have already ransacked the crime scene. The black boxes are already gone. And then we hear that there may not be a black box on the ground. We also have this report coming from the Associated Press. One of the separatist leaders is trying to give this bizarre theory and this one is really incredible. That the people on the plane were already dead. Did you hear that one? I mean, the bizarre is really starting to come out. It's pretty obvious who was behind this. It's also obvious that President Obama is sticking to the template. When things happen, he just calls for an investigation, whether it's an international crisis or whether it's one here at home. And it's going to be no different.

BOB BECKEL, FOX NEWS: Now. We've got to go to a tease. So, thank you.

GUILFOYLE: No, we don't. I have a question.

BECKEL: I'm sorry. A couple of questions .

GUILFOYLE: Bob, I have a question for you because the critics are saying that the president gave a very measured dispassionate speech when he could have had an opportunity there to hold Putin personally responsible? Was this a missed opportunity.

BECKEL: No, it was not a missed opportunity. Let me say just three things very quickly. You talk about the Korean airline. Russia's backed up. They shot the thing out of the air, number one, number two, the idea about the military. Nobody in their right mind would consider military action in the Crimea. And he did say that he was willing to go allies in the Balkans to ensure them. So, I think that's a fair thing to say. This is the worst thing that could happen to Putin. What it is going to do, is going to galvanize the international community. And I think he is sitting back there saying I blew it. By the way, who is going to go get the black boxes? We are going to go in there, we're going to invade to get the black boxes?

GUTFELD: Yes. Absolutely.

BECKEL: Oh, you would. You'd invade .

GUTFELD: We already have people nearby. We should be going in there and getting that. That thing does not belong - that doesn't belong .

BECKEL: And this is John McCain ..

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BECKEL: John McCain never comes up with (INAUDIBLE) prepares, but he never comes up with an answer. What are you going to do?

GUTFELD: I gave him an answer.

BECKEL: You did but he didn't.

GUILFOYLE: Unfortunately .

BECKEL: These guys shoot their mouth up, but they don't come with an answer.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, unfortunately, time has been lost.

BECKEL: Yes, of course.

GUILFOYLE: Because the black box as another items have been removed from the crime scene that would be very helpful in the investigation.

BECKEL: And that is Obama's fault?

GUILFOYLE: No. Putin, Russia is saying that they will handle the investigation and they will let us know what happened.

When we come back, are Vladimir Putin's fingerprints on the downing of the plane in Ukraine? You will hear an intercepted phone call that may just implicate the Russian leader. This special edition of "The Five" returns in a moment.

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TANTAROS: Back now to the downing of the passenger jet in Ukraine. National security correspondent Jennifer Griffin has some Interesting new details on the investigation. Let's go to her live in Washington. Jennifer?

JENNIFER GRIFFIN, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Andrea, State Department Spokesman Jen Psaki confirmed earlier today there was one American on board Flight 17. A dual Dutch U.S. citizen traveling on a Dutch passport. Quinn Lucas Schansman. We have a photograph of Quinn, now I understand. U.S. officials repeatedly hinted earlier today at Russian involvement in downing the plane. The Pentagon confirmed it was a Russian-made SA-11 missile that brought down the Malaysian flight, fired from inside Ukraine adding the separatists could not have done it by themselves.

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REAR ADMIRAL JOHN KIRBY, PENTAGON PRESS SECRETARY: We see no hint that Russian support for the separatists has seized. In fact we believe that Russia continues to provide them with heavy weapons and other military equipment, financing as well and they continue to allow these Russian fighters to enter Ukraine freely.

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GRIFFIN: Just 20 minutes after the plane went down this man, Igor Bezler or Strelkov, as he's known, the self-proclaimed minister of defense for the Russian separatists is heard talking to a Russian military intelligence officer according to telephone intercepts released by the Ukraine government. The rebel commander is essentially reporting back to a colonel in the Russian military's main intelligence department inside Russia.

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IGOR BEZLER: The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first 200. We have found the first 200. A civilian, well, what do you have there?

MILITANT 2: Well, what do you have there?

BEZLER: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger aircraft.

SAMANTHA POWER, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: This war can be ended. Russia can end this war. Russia must end this war.

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GRIFFIN: Ukrainian officials say this is the smoking gun. These telephone intercepts of the separatists reporting back to Russian intelligence. Andrea?

TANTAROS: All right. Thanks, Jennifer. Lawmakers say there is no doubt Putin has his hands all over this.

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SEN. MARK KIRK, (R) ILLINOIS: It does appear the Buk missile system is so complicated that it would need the back up from a nation state like Russia. That would mean that Russian armed forces are directly involved in this wrongful death of roughly 300 people.

SEN. KELLY AYOTTE: It's a missile that came from Russia or it was from the separatists and it's a Buk-style missile. I mean, this came from Russia. Russia has their fingerprints all over it.

REP. PETER KING: If it's indirect. Maybe not an act of war, but certainly an act of criminal negligence and Russia would have to bear responsibility.

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TANTAROS: Senator Carl Levin went a step further. Quote, "Whoever did it should pay a full price? If it's by a country either directly or indirectly then it could be considered an act of war." OK, so, Eric, you referenced Reagan earlier. And I think you and I have agreed on a lot of different issues. We are not neocons, we don't believe in military action every time. But the president failed today to outline or else, what?

BOLLING: Yeah.

TANTAROS: If Putin does not take ownership of this?

BOLLING: And therein lies the problem. That's what a lot of us on the right are saying. Where's the strength? We are leading from behind. That's getting pretty old. Can we just focus in on Putin for a second here? This man does have the blood of all these people on his hands. There's no way that the Ukraine military has figured out a way to not only get their hands on this Russian Buk system. But to be able to deliver this missile on top of it as effectively as that. So, if it's separatists, then maybe Putin has a little bit of a buffer. But when you find out, which I'm guessing here, I'm speculating, you find out that they are actually Russian military personnel who fired that rocket, that's going to be right around Putin's neck. And that, in fact, is an act of war. And as Bob pointed out earlier, the international community will have to come forward and make them pay for that.

TANTAROS: Kimberly, it was a known fact, Ronald Reagan had a very cogent policy when it came to the Soviets. They knew that if they were to pull any funny business, there was going to be repercussions by the United States of America. President Obama took military action off the table today and has imposed very weak sanctions. Do you think the Russians are fearful?

GUILFOYLE: No, I don't. I think that they are not fearful at all. In fact, they have been pretty bold and brazen with respect to their response here. My concern, you look at this from, you know, a legal perspective. You see the crime scene. There is questions and concerns about whether or not that has been tampered with, whether or not the Russians have removed things from the scene. Then there is some questions about specific intent. Did they intend to shoot down a commercial aircraft or were they trying to shoot down something else? It doesn't matter. The law won't excuse it. Transferred intent. All the things we have to look at to determine who exactly should be held accountable and whether or not we can create a nexus between this act of terrorism and directly tie it to Russia.

TANTAROS: Greg, the Soviets did this twice. Once in the Carter administration. One in the Reagan administration. I don't think this is what Putin wants. A commercial airliner going down. I think it probably was a mistake. It doesn't help him. It doesn't make it look good. But I don't think he really cares at this point. Because the international community is not coalescing to stand up to him. And when we saw the Europeans, they tried green energy. It didn't work. Now they are still relying on Russia. You have talked about energy independence back here at home. It's one of these moments where you are like, see this is why it matters.

GUTFELD: I want to focus on the phone calls, because they seem. I think the Ukraine - like if I was Putin, you know what Putin is going to say? Obviously these were actors hired by the Ukraine. And it was planted because that's what you actually, you know, you are hearing things like that on RT, Russia Today, the most insane network on this planet. They made "Pravda" seem like Fox News. They were so far to the wacky, they are saying that Kiev, actually - you might have - the Ukraine might have actually shot down the plane and blamed it on the Russians. The fact is Malaysian -- the Malaysian Airplane flew over there to save fuel, which was a mistake, I think. And I think their airline is finished. And I think also, I think Russia Today as a network is finished. They have anchors quitting because they are lying to people. I think so maybe something good will come out of this. There will be no more Russia Today.

TANTAROS: Bob, you heard some Democrats that we quoted, Senator Carl Levin among others today, taking a pretty firm stance. Even Samantha Power. Can you see a bit of a Democrat divide in the next couple of weeks if they are separating from the president's response with something stronger?

BECKEL: No. Because just like Ronald Reagan, they are not going to be able to do anything about it. I can't think of one single thing that you talk about that airplane with Reagan. I don't see it. (INAUDIBLE) back to Russia's - let's just leave that aside. You know, I know you want to make Reagan your hero, so go ahead. But the point here is that this is, this I believe, will be the unraveling of Putin. I think that we were the only ones to put on sanctions. Obama was the only person who stepped forward. All those others wussy countries in Europe didn't do it. Now, they've got a chance to do it. I think Eric is right. We've got to give them oil if they need it. But we - I think this is going to be a real unraveling for Putin. And both domestically and internationally.

TANTAROS: It looks like a strengthening of Putin though.

BECKEL: No, it's actually .

TANTAROS: If the international community .

BECKEL: Shooting down of civilian airplane?

TANTAROS: And President Obama says military action is not on the table.

BECKEL: But why should have ..

TANTAROS: to be afraid of.

BECKEL: Who - (INAUDIBLE) because it builds action - What are you going to do? You are going to invade Ukraine? It's like listening to John McCain. Shoot your mouth off all you want. When you guys were in the opposition it's easier to say he is weak.

GUTFELD: You just move the troops close there.

BECKEL: I see, OK.

GUTFELD: That's what you do.

BOLLING: Not a bad idea. But also go at them where it really hurts Russians. The thing that really could hurt Russia is the dollar, the petro dollar .

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely.

BOLLING: And if you go ahead and subsidize the oil transfers to other parts of western and eastern - even Western Europe.

GUILFOYLE: Force them into a recession, an economic recession that's what you need to do.

GUTFELD: They don't want that.

GUILFOYLE: Squeeze them out diplomatically and squeeze them where it hurts.

All right. Coming up, whenever there is a crisis, President Obama always seems to be in a dining room rather than a situation room. Well, yesterday, he hit the fundraising circuit last night right here in the Big Apple. Just hours after the plane went down in Ukraine. We'll discuss his presidential priorities when we come back on this very special edition of "THE FIVE."

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GUTFELD: When mass murder is committed, someone must pay. And last night, someone did. Tickets for Thursday's Democratic Party fundraiser featuring our president went for 32 grand. Is it wrong to sigh? After Benghazi, it was off to a fundraiser. Amid the border mess it was off to a fundraiser. After this attack, well, you see the trend. It is comfort zone campaigning. It's emotional and substantial and driven by sloganeering. It's the opposite of governance, which is hard, substantial and driven by tough choices. The attacks shouldn't be a chance for a blow hard like me to jab the president. By why does he make it so easy? It's a leadership style where the choices are so weird even libs wonder where his hat is at. Even Josh Groban and Piers Morgan are scratching their poppy noggins. You know, it's bad. If he is playing it cool or is he not playing at all, I don't know. Sometimes he is like a teen retreating to his room with his comic books. As he claims, nothing is definitive. Separatists might have the black box. Why not demand its return? For all we now it's now with Snowden. Something tells me he won't leak that. So as France sails two assault ships to Russia, our foreign policy seems predicated on not rocking any boats. We don't want our guy to declare World War III, but it would be nice if we knew he was driving with at least one hand on the wheel. The bear may be loose, but for now it's Winnie the Pooh.

All right, Bob, I think I was fair. I'm not shaming him. I'm trying to coach him. Do you think he should have skipped the fundraiser?

BECKEL: I think he should have skipped the fundraiser. I mean I say this - This election is crucial for Democrats. And we are way behind right now. And it needs a lot of money. So, these things, the 32,000 don't happen very often, but that's not an excuse for not moving the thing. But leaving that aside. I think - what do people expect him to do? This notion that somehow he should just close ranks, go to the situation room and sit there and do what?

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BECKEL: No.

GUILFOYLE: Act presidential. Reviewing reports.

BECKEL: It is not -- wait, wait. It's not the president's job to go to the situation room over something he can do nothing about. He can't do anything about a downed aircraft in Ukraine.

GUILFOYLE: That's so inaccurate.

GUTFELD: He can do something.

BECKEL: What can he do?

GUILFOYLE: OK, guess what, he sits down and --

BECKEL: He's gonna catch the ambulance, he'd go --

GUILFOYLE: You want to hear. You want to hear.

BECKEL: Yes, go ahead.

GUILFOYLE: Right. Because he shouldn't be out worrying about whether or not his party has enough, you know, change and biscotti (ph) to win the next election.

He should be sitting at the table with National Security Council members and getting information, real-time updates about exactly what happened, what's going on because he's the President of the United States.

That's his job.

BECKEL: You don't think he's getting real-time updates when he's on Air Force One.

GUILFOYLE: No. I think when he's greeting people and taking -- doing photo ops, it's actually a distraction. His head then is not in the game.

And he's not getting those updates while he's talking to donors. I'm so sorry.

BECKEL: Well, he gets those updates all through the night last night. But even I, I said at the beginning, I didn't think he should be going to a fundraiser. I think that that is not good --

GUILFOYLE: Well, we agree.

BECKEL: But I don't think that the idea that, somehow, he's going to be able to do something about it any more than anybody else could do anything about what's going on in Gaza.

GREG GUTFELD, FOX NEWS HOST: Eric, here's a question to defend the President. Does he a stick to the schedule as part of a philosophy of representing business as usual, so people aren't worried, in a panic.

So, he says, "Hey, if I'm going about my regular day, so should do."

ERIC BOLLING, FOX NEWS HOST: Well, you know how yesterday we're supposed to be on the 5:00 o'clock but we weren't because something came up.

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GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: And even Fox News say, "You know what, something came up. Shuffles as you can see."

GUTFELD: Yes, yes.

BOLLING: And they did what they were supposed to do.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Stuff comes up. And when you're president, maybe you don't stick to the script.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: When Benghazi happens, maybe you don't go to Vegas. When, I don't know, Russia annexes Crimea, you don't go to do two fundraisers.

When the V.A. scandal breaks, you do two in Chicago that night. And then the big one when the border is literally being flooded with illegals, you go to the border but you don't go to the border.

You go to two fundraisers and you drink beer and you play pool. The man has checked out, Bob.

As much as you like him, he's not playing president anymore. He's playing future ex-president right now and he's arranging a lot of --

BECKEL: He's trying to hold on to the Congress.

BOLLING: He's putting a lot of his ducks in a row.

BECKEL: He's trying to hold on to the United States Senate. And it's very difficult to do it.

But if I were him, I'd do everything that I could to get that duck because that's going to determine his next two years.

GUTFELD: Yes, but politics shouldn't be around here in this particular issue. Andrea, he's No-Drama Obama. That was like the thing that made him so call.

That positive is now a negative. Wouldn't you say?

ANDREA TANTAROS, FOX NEWS HOST: It's definitely a negative. Why does it always have to be about him.

I mean, Bob says he has to hold on to the Senate because then, he'll have a bad upcoming two years. Well, guess what, we should all hold our breath because it's going to be a really bad next two years for everybody else in the country.

You said you're trying to coach him, all right. I just think he's uncoachable.

I mean, Bob says, "What do you expect him to do." I'll tell you what I expect him not to do.

I expect him to not have open-mic deal done about flexibility after elections. I expect him to not impose weak sanctions on Russia.

I expect him to not try and disarm our nuclear defenses. I expect him to encourage Ukraine to join NATO so they can be stronger.

And I also expect him to be strong. I mean, look, he can't impose our own borders, he's not going to be able to enforce the borders of other countries.

So, you know what I say, "Good." Let him go. I would much rather have him not playing in hard cities where real armies can march.

Let him call gay athletes, let him do war on women press conferences, let him talk about birth control and infrastructure. I don't want him playing on a global stage.

BECKEL: But the largest cut --

TANTAROS: Because he's going to model and mess it up. So, everybody hold your nose and hang on because the next two years are going to be crazy.

BECKEL: The largest cut in American Nuclear Forces was done by Ronald Reagan. Just want to make that clear.

The largest single cut in our nuclear warheads was by Ronald Reagan.

GUILFOYLE: Bottom line, the only way that Putin is in any danger from Obama is who is he's blocking the door to a fundraiser that Obama is late to get to. Otherwise, it's clear.

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GUTFELD: All right, ahead on THE FIVE, a passenger plane has just been shot down --

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-- and the State Department didn't think to put at the top of its agenda. That didn't sit well with Shep who was on air at the time of the briefing.

You'll hear what he had to say about him, next.

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BOLLER: We've had a ton of news breaking in the last 36 hours. In the news business, things begin hectic. Sometimes, things, news, get reported smoothly.

Other times, not so much. Check out poor Krystal ball over at MSNBC making the working mistake of not listening to the guest answer the question you just asked.

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KRYSTAL BALL, MSNBC ANCHOR: U.S. Staff Sergeant Michael Boyd is at the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine and says that he saw a missile in the air hit the plane.

He is on the phone with us. Sergeant, are you there.

MICHAEL BOYD, PRANKSTER: Yes, I'm here. Can you hear me.

BALL: I can. Please tell us what you saw there on the ground in Ukraine.

BOYD: Well, I was looking out the window when a saw a projectile flying through the sky. And it would appear that the plane was shot down by blasts of winds from Howard Stern's ass.

BALL: So, it would appear that the plane was shot down. Can you tell us anything more from your military training, of what sort of missile system that may have been coming from.

BOYD: Oh, you're a dumbass, aren't you.

BALL: I'm sorry, sir. All right, we're going to take a quick break.

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BOLLING: Now, look, there are a lot of things that went wrong there. She didn't listen to the answer, her producer put on someone who wasn't vetted well enough.

And she actually did say, "Live on the ground from Kiev," when that wasn't the crash site he was supposed to be, giving analysis from the crash site.

You want to be careful because it's like making fun of someone about the teleprompter and they're screwing up the teleprompter.

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GUTFELD: But that's my point. It's there for the grace of God go I And her name is Krystal Ball, so she should have seen it coming.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, gosh.

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GUTFELD: But, but, but, but I'm here to defend her because the producers think this is hilarious. A producer probably got fired over that.

So, I mean, you're going to make a mistake and you're going to hope that another network doesn't pick it up and make fun of you over it.

And, by the way, this happening during horrible breaking news, we weren't on. She was.

BOLLING: Hey, man, you make a very, very good point.

GUTFELD: We weren't on -- I mean, we didn't make a mistake because we weren't on.

BOLLING: And the point being, Kimberly, that there is a difference between --

GUILFOYLE: That we have Shepard Smith?

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: Well, no -- I just made that in the last block.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: Look, the Fox executives said, "You know what, let's not put an opinion show that's not used to interviewing people --

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: -- on air --

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: -- and interview 'BREAKING NEWS' people at the moment." Who do you call out on this one.

GUILFOYLE: Look, I mean, that's an executive decision. They should have made a decision that was smart and informed and said, "Listen, we're not going to put somebody on that doesn't have the experience, especially with this breaking news situation with information that is technical and more complicated."

I don't know what they were saying in her ear. Obviously, there was some confusion. It doesn't excuse that gentleman's behavior for being a little bit rude.

TANTAROS: It has nothing to do with Krystal Ball. I'm sorry, it does not.

Howard Stern has punked some of the most, I mean, experienced people in the news business. Oh, by the way, and in this building as well.

So, yes, the producers have a job to clear these phone conversations. The Sterns have been doing this for, what, 30 years.

I mean, if Krystal had listened to what he said, she would have said, "bubba vuy, bubba vuy, bubba vuy (ph) thanks," and made a joke of it and moved on and, you know, had fun --

BOLLING: Yes.

TANTAROS: -- with Sterns because that's what they do. But I don't blame this on her. I mean, you just can't. The Stern Show has done this a number of seasons.

BOLLING: Bobby, can I get this one. I know you want to get this.

You can forgive a rookie mistake -- a rookie for making mistakes but there's no excuse for a State Department spokesperson for completely fumbling the ball.

Here's what happened yesterday on Fox News when Jen Psaki started her briefing.

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SHEPARD SMITH, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Jane Psaki, the State Department Spokesperson, live.

JEN PSAKI, SPOKESPERSON, STATE DEPARTMENT: Today, the Afghan, I see began auditing ballots from the Afghan presidential run-off. The audit is being conducted in Kabul by the IC under close supervision --

SMITH: Well, this is just highly inappropriate, I would say. Today, a Malaysian Airlines jet has fallen from the sky over a war zone and the State Department is beginning with routine matters.

You figure it out. I can't figure that out. Jennifer Griffin, I can't believe what just happened.

(LAUGHTER)

JENNIFER GRIFFIN, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: That's the State Department, Shep. I'm not surprised.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right, we don't have time to read the tweet but she literally twitted a couple of minutes later on some ridiculous thing about -- out of her State Department Twitter account about a fashion article. Bob, dropped the ball?

BECKEL: Drop the ball, she would drop on her head. I mean, I just -- it's unbelievable to me that -- I mean, who in their right mind can walk out when these things are going on and talk about ballot count, which is probably going to be a screwed ballot count in Kabul, when this is going on.

And then talks about fashion. I mean, somebody has got to take this woman -- I mean, she ought to be the press secretary at the Department of Mines.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: Department of Mines?

TANTAROS: What?

GUILFOYLE: What are you talking about, Bob.

BECKEL: In other words, she should be -- would you have put her chief spokesman for the State Department. You can be --

GUILFOYLE: Hey, listen, --

BECKEL: -- on a day like that, she talks about vote cast in Kabul.

GUILFOYLE: I want to give the whole group pink slips, just to be honest.

GUTFELD: They're all like fresh-faced coeds. They're all named Jen and Josh. It's like the set of "Glee." Can't blame them.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: And they can't sing.

GUTFELD: They're so cute.

BOLLING: Are you ever going to cut her some slack, guys. I mean, this is --

TANTAROS: No, this is a -- this is a different situation than the last one we were talking about.

GUTFELD: She's a pro.

TANTAROS: She's not a serious person. I mean, she's not -- she is the queen of construction paper diplomacy. Remember, it was her with the sharpy and the magic marker and then the construction paper.

I think we have a picture of her. That's how we reached out to Ukraine, was, I believe, Jen with the picture --

GUTFELD: That's not happening.

TANTAROS: It's not happening.

(LAUGHTER)

TANTAROS: But um --

GUTFELD: See, we make fun of Krystal Ball.

TANTAROS: That's why I didn't do it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Oh, wait. There it is, Andrea.

BECKEL: Where did she come from. Does anybody know.

TANTAROS: Well, she came from the Obama campaign. And that's the problem. She's a campaign person. And campaign people can be snarky, they can do.

GUILFOYLE: She used to be our intern, Bob.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: They can do hokey little gimmicks and put out videos. You know, you know the type.

BECKEL: Yes, right.

TANTAROS: But they're not suitable for the State Department to be respondent to global crises on behalf of the United States.

BECKEL: That's like the -- that's like Pearl Harbor. She would have announced that there was -- somebody stubbed their toe in Alaska. I mean, come on.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: You really got to wonder what's going on in the State Department between, you know, what was going on --

GUILFOYLE: Benghazi.

BOLLING: -- Benghazi, Hillary, I mean, come on, guys. Get the State Department together.

All right, coming up, we return to the crisis in the Middle East.

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If you've been listening to the mainstream media, you haven't been getting the real truth about Israel's offensive against Hamas in Gaza. But stick around, you'll get it here.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECKEL: Is that Merle Haggard.

As the conflict between Israel and Hamas intensifies and Israeli troops enter the Gaza Strip, President Obama is calling for some measure restraint.

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BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: The United States and our friends and allies are deeply concerned about the risks of further escalation and the loss of more innocent life.

We are hopeful that Israel will continue to approach this process in a way that minimizes civilian casualties.

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BECKEL: But in a rare appearance on THE FIVE, Charles Krauthammer reminds us who really puts innocent lives at risk.

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CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: The U.N. agency had to admit, after delay of a day, that it found in one of its schools, 20 Hamas rockets hidden.

Now, this is the length of the depravity of Hamas. When even the U.S., the U.N., has to admit that it is obviously creating situations, hiding its weaponry among children, in fact, as a way to protect itself.

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BECKEL: What I find amazing here is Egypt calls for a ceasefire, right. And the Israelis said, "OK." And Hamas says, "No, we're going to keep going."

Now, I mean, Egypt has been feeding a lot of things to Hamas. Don't you find that interesting, Eric, that they would not even listen to the biggest power next to Israel in the area.

BOLLING: And because they did it, they're not getting supports throughout the Arab world, which is what I was pointing out earlier on the show.

They're on their own. Hamas is on their own. And they're going to completely get -- you know, Israel calls it mowing the lawn.

Every few years, the lawn gets too high and they mow the lawn and they do this. Promise, people are dying. Kids are dying.

Mostly, Palestinian or Arab Hamas kids are dying when they're trying to play soccer, so stop. It's your leaders' faults. They need to just agree to a ceasefire and this thing goes away.

Israel is not trying to take Gaza back. They're trying to stop the rockets from coming in to Israel. That's their issue. End of story.

And how do you think -- I was at the -- obviously, they got these rockets from Iran and they're getting them in somehow. I mean, it's surrounded but that's got to be Egypt doing some work with them and coming in from the sea, don't you think.

TANTAROS: Yes, they definitely have support. And they could have had a ceasefire, Hamas could have if they wanted to.

But they don't want to. I mean, they've been fighting for decades and decades and decades. And they don't know anything different.

And I was listening to another news network and they said, "Oh, the Palestinian children, the two boys who died on the beach."

What were two Palestinian boys doing playing on a beach when the Israelis gave ample heads up, they were coming. They dropped leaflets. They went door-to-door.

They did phone calls. They let everybody know, "We're going to finally fight back because we have no choice, so evacuate the area."

They don't want casualties. But Benjamin Netanyahu said it the best. He said, "The difference between us is we're using missile defense to protect our citizens and Hamas is using their civilians to protect their missiles. And they've been doing that for a while as part of their PR campaign so that they get sympathy."

BECKEL: Greg, the CNN reporter, I think, twitted or said something about "scum," they called the Israeli "scum" for sending in these -- their own rockets. What are they thinking. I mean, --

GUTFELD: It's an interesting thing. If those in the media who took their views -- their vitriolic views of Israel and actually had that directed towards parts of Africa, they would be called racists.

But you can get away with it, with Israel, primarily because Israel is often a proxy for America, it's a suitable punching bag when you can't hit us.

So, when you're going out -- when you're bombing Israel, it's kind of your -- their way of saying, "You're next."

BECKEL: Let me ask you something, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BECKEL: I'll give you an exact quote from Diana Magney who twitted us from CNN -- who twitted, "Israelis are on hill above Sderat cheer as bombs land on Gaza, threaten to destroy our car if I say a word 'scum.'"

Now, I mean, what -- it would take a mentality of a three-year-old to come up with something like that.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it's reprehensible and she doesn't have a job. So, what do you want me to tell you.

BECKEL: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: You know, there's no place for that kind of -- and, by the way, if you equip yourself with the fact, again, the Israelis go out of their way painstakingly to make sure there are not civilian casualties.

They call every phone registered in the building before they hit it. They dropped a small, kind of like a warning shot in the building to let everyone know to evacuate, OK.

They have every right to protect their country and their people. And Hamas murders children and buries them in a shallow grave. It's disgusting.

BECKEL: And they murder their own children.

GUTFELD: Did she really lose her job.

BOLLING: I think they --

GUILFOYLE: No fair.

BOLLING: -- yes, off the Israel Beat, yes.

GUTFELD: Twitter costs more jobs than Obama.

BECKEL: There you go. "One More Thing" is up next.

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TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing." Eric Bolling, kick it off.

BOLLING: OK, roll it.

All right, the fool of the week was in court this week. Jesse Ventura --

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-- is suing Chris Kyle, the Navy SEAL sniper who killed more terrorists than anyone else.

Kyle risked his life and, some say, gave his life for America. Jesse Ventura is actually suing Chris Kyle's widow.

Ventura made a living as a clown. He became governor of Minnesota. He hosted a TV show, blaming the government for 9/11. Jesse Ventura should be thankful for the men and women in uniform who protect our freedoms, our capitalism, and who protect his ability to make a living with so little actual talent.

"Fool of the Week," Jesse Ventura.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, good for you --

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-- because he's taken food out of the mouths of --

BOLLING: Thank you.

GUILFOYLE: -- Chris Kyle's children.

BOLLING: Family, exactly.

GUILFOYLE: Disgusting.

TANTAROS: Greg.

GUTFELD: OK. Well, you know what, it's starting. What was it, I lost my train of thought.

(LAUGHTER)

My sentence is starting. Horrible campaign songs. If you love annoying folk rock, feast your eyes on this -- or your ears, rather, on this folk song pod, whatever.

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Thank you for letting me finish.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SINGER: -- political cronies. Run, run, run, run. Run, Liz, run. We need a president. We need President Warren, president. We need President Warren.

GUTFELD: Anyway, if your --

(LAUGHTER)

-- if your ears aren't throwing up, they will.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, God.

TANTAROS: OK, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: OK, finally, "Homeland Season Four," people.

(CHEERING)

Take a look at the pictures. We have no sound.

(LAUGHTER)

But you can take a look at the pictures. That's Clair Danes. It's going to premiere on October 5th. I know that -- well, we're just alerting you because the trailer just got released.

BOLLING: Just in case between now and October 5th you haven't heard.

GUILFOYLE: Listen to me, you're like the stalker on "Homeland." Just released today.

BECKEL: Am I up.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BECKEL: Port Authority lieutenant, David Lim, is retiring. One of 16 people who lived through --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

-- the collapse of the north building is retiring after 34 years on the police force. He did heroic things that day.

Congratulations, lieutenant. Have a good retirement. You deserve every bit of it. And one other quick thing, --

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-- some nice people from Grand Rapid, Michigan gave me this just in case I get frustrated, which I throw --

BOLLING: Oh.

TANTAROS: Not me.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: We have to come back at 8:00.

(LAUGHTER)

TANTAROS: Look at what he did to his hair. He's going to be in hair for an hour. Don't hit my hair.

GUTFELD: OK. I think we made Krystal Ball look like Walter Cronkite.

GUILFOYLE: OK, yes.

TANTAROS: That is called a Dammit doll and I do not even want to know what you're going to do with that.

GUILFOYLE: We took pictures with it earlier with me on his lap.

TANTAROS: Right. We don't have time for my "One More Thing" but I'll just clarify very quickly. It's not Howard Stern's Show that does it, it's fans that prank call people.

Howard Stern does not encourage that kind of behavior. OK, got that clear.

That's it for us here. Have a great weekend, everyone. We'll see you Monday and at 8:00 p.m. tonight.

BOLLING: Yes.

TANTAROS: Yes, tonight.

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