Millennials' stance on socialism

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 16, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Doctor says it's positive. That's good, right?



Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and she swims laps in a sink, it's Dana Perino.

This is "The Five."


GUTFELD: A Pew poll, my favorite kind, finds that 43 percent of 18 to 29 year olds think socialism is OK. Meanwhile, 86 percent of their grandparents don't. So, why the gap?

Well, "Reason Magazine" reports that millennials think socialism is better than a government managed economy, even though socialism is a government managed economy and that's the point. As long as you don't know what socialism is, you're fine with it. In a way, it's like President Obama. Once you explain it, however, people run. Again, like President Obama.

Which explains why older folks detest this crud. They remember history and its bad guys all too well. These days, socialism is the sugar coated answer to coldhearted capitalism. Socialism is "let's share" to capitalism's "don't care."

No surprise. This silliness peaks in college. That incubator filled with academics who disguise coercion as compassion. They probably celebrated July 4th because it's Tokyo Rose's birthday, Bob.

On campus, it's the leftist job to keep kids in the dark because when they're in the real world, the drugs wear off, except in the media where bad ideas are kept alive by the incubator star pupils, which leaves the real work up to you and me, all of us here. To deprogram the brainwash, you must persuasively show them why capitalism means freedom, how a paycheck is yours and not Obama's, and that real compassion is defined by opportunity and not entitlement.

We've got our work cut out for us.



GUTFELD: Yes, Bob.

"Reason Magazine" -- I'm going to go to you, Kimberly.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yes, because Bob is waking up from his nap.

BECKEL: No, I wasn't. What are you talking about?

GUTFELD: He slept through that in your yellow. The problem is, they like, according to "Reason Magazine," they like socialism, millennials like it, because they don't know about it.

GUILFOYLE: They don't understand it. You're exactly right. It's like, what is this word with all of the syllables? That's the problem.

They were born after the Cold War, so they don't understand the misery, the degradation, or the loss of freedoms that comes with a socialist government. That's the problem. They're just sort of ignorant and they are a product of modern educational system, where socialism and entitlements are glorified.

GUTFELD: And built into the system.

GUILFOYLE: That's how it is. So, I mean, they really are kind of robotic in that sense that they don't understand because they don't have the benefit of history. I mean, just look at the man on the street stuff that we do here at FOX. People are like blissfully ignorant of history.

GUTFELD: You know, Bob, I don't think it's all millennials fault, because millennials are no dumber than we are. They are smart kids. They're just not getting the right nutrition.

Do you think socialism benefits from its name? You know, who doesn't want to be social?

BECKEL: Yes. Well, first of all, you made one mistake is drugs wear off. In some cases, they stay for a long, long time.

GUTFELD: That's true.

GUILFOYE: Interesting.

BECKEL: Let me just throw some thoughts to you. Sweden, Switzerland, Finland, Norway, England --

GUTFELD: Hitler, Stalin, Mao.

BECKEL: All of them socialist countries. Now, are they all there?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Wait a minute, wait a minute --

GUTFELD: Venezuela.

GUILFOYLE: He's looking for a good one in the heap.

BOLLING: They're socialist?

BECKEL: They are all socialists, yes.

BOLLING: OK. All right. Maybe I should move on then. If England is socialist -- I mean, how is England a socialist country?

BECKEL: Well, for you guys, that's socialized medicine, right?

BOLLING: If they are socialist, then they we're really screwed.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, I think we should edit your list.

BOLLING: Maybe you need a little refresher course on economics. Let me give you the difference --

BECKEL: I don't need a refresher course. You need a history course.

BOLLING: Let's talk about the difference between socialism and capitalism, OK? You may not like the extent to which we are capitalists. We may be overly capitalists, anarcho-capitalist. I know I am. I'm proud of it. That's why I wore this today.

Difference is profit motive. The profit motive makes you work harder. The profit motive makes you risk your own capital and labor. And the profit motive enables you to innovate and come up with new ideas that will help end up creating profits for yourself.

GUILFOYLE: Because you have skin in the game.

BOLLING: Let's talk a little bit about the profit motive. Countries like the United States of America, England, Brazil, Germany, where the per capita GDPs blow away socialist countries like China, Cuba, Vietnam. Vietnam is a $1,700 per person GDP -- per person GDP.

BECKEL: You say Germany is not a socialist country?

BOLLING: No, I'm saying it's a capitalist country. Yes, Bob. That's what I'm saying.


GUTFELD: They were socialist at once. Isn't it the Nazi party, was not a socialist party?

BOLLING: No, that was a while ago.

GUTFELD: Yes, it was a while ago, yes, dude, just a couple years ago.

Dana, OK. What Eric is saying leads to this question. It's not so much that socialism is being cheered. It's that people are so intensely anti- capitalists on campus and in government.

PERINO: I think that is true. I think there's another reason. I believe that a lot of millennials vote against their economic interests based on the social policy -- the social issues, right? So, they -- most millennials will align with the left when it comes to lots of issues that are on the table right now -- legalization of marijuana being one of them.

When you vote for a Democrat, however, you also are voting for not just on -- it's not a single issue. You vote on all sorts of things. So, they do tend to vote against their own economic interests.

But I can understand why millennials are confused. A lot of progressives will kick and scream over reining in Social Security, of funding Medicare, Medicaid, ACA, ObamaCare, but then they turn around in the same day and will have an event saying we need to spend more money on infrastructure. So, I can understand why they are ideologically confused.

Why --

GUILFOYLE: It's like a tic-tac-toe game.


BOLLING: Redistribution of wealth in a socialist economy, it would be perfect redistribution. I get where you are going with that, Bob. But you can't call a country that has certain aspects of socialism within it a socialist country. It's a capitalist system.


GUTFELD: Bob, your answer is, why are you calling Obama a socialist?

GUILFOYLE: He's writing little notes. He's writing Bolling's whole note - -

BECKEL: Can I make one point about this poll and about this, the millennials?


BECKEL: Has anybody known a generation, the beginning of their college careers or that age, going up to 30, that is not more left and more socialist and because they fall prey to those communist professors that do that to them. But seriously, I mean, this is nothing new. Why are you so excited about it?

GUTFELD: I think you're correct. But if you're a socialist by 25, technically, you're a loser, correct?

BECKEL: I don't know. I'm still a socialist and I'm older than that.

PERINO: And technically.

GUTFELD: Technically.


GUTFELD: Oh, painful.

PERINO: That was a joke.

GUTFELD: It was a joke.

BECKEL: That was one of the --


BECKEL: Last week, too, what is this?


PERINO: While you were writing your notes, I was making very salient points over here. And here's what I want, if I could say one thing about the poll -- these millennials, are just -- we're all trying to figure them out because it matters to us both politically, socially, and also economically. It's going to matter to us what they decide to do, what path they choose. A lot of them are ambitious, thoughtful. They're smart, they're funny, they understand social media, but they're also -- a lot of them are entitled self-centered people I don't want to be around.


PERINO: Should I name some?

GUTFELD: Yes, please do.


GUTFELD: Kimberly, I know --

GUILFOYLE: I learned something new.

GUTFELD: I do not blame millennials, I agree with Dana. They are smarter than I am on so many things but they got fed the wrong food. So, I thought before I come to you, we create an intro to socialism. Enjoy.

GUILFOYLE: OK, fantastic.



BECKEL: Did you ever --


BECKEL: Unbelievable. That is unbelievable. The biggest communist thugs and murders of all time, that's socialism?

GUTFELD: I believe it is. It's all the same fruit.

BECKEL: Oh, really?

GUTFELD: One leads to the other in my mind.

BECKEL: All the same fruit.


BOLLING: Yes, you're right. President Obama is serving that fruit cocktail of that right now.

BECKEL: Where is he putting all the bodies?

BOLLING: Here's what he says, he is one -- I didn't make this up. He's the one that said everyone deserves their fair share. That's communism. That's socialism.

He said, you didn't build that. We did that, the state did that for you. That's socialism.

GUTFELD: But I wouldn't lump Obama into that thing. I was talking about history.

BOLLING: No, he ran on class warfare.


BOLLING: Villainizing the successful 1 percent. That's what they are all about. And that in essence -- yes, it's a softer form of socialism.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, you don't support any of those -- I mean, come on.

BECKEL: Of course, why do you think he put it up there for? You said on the break, it would be fun if you put Bob in there and Greg will have fun about it, but I would have been a pain in the neck.

But you're right, historically, it has nothing to do with socialism. Nothing! But it's OK because it makes for good sound. It was very funny.

GUILFOYLE: But how could you -- but you can't disagree. Those are all leaders of countries that --

BECKEL: The three in those people, they probably murdered 100 million people. I don't think Obama has done that.

GUILFOYLE: Nobody is saying that.

GUTFELD: But you know what? Bob is making a pretty good point, that when you keep calling Obama a socialist, it doesn't help because actually, Obama is a likable person and he's not a socialist, and it makes socialism appear better when you keep saying it's Obama.

PERINO: But the roots of the policies are very interesting. And Jonah Goldberg's book "Liberal Fascism," that's why I learned a lot about it, because now -- if you follow politics today, you can trace it all back to the roots of that movement in the late 1800s, early 1900s.

BOLLING: And President Obama can have socialist tendencies without being linked to a communist dictator, fascist communist dictator --

BECKEL: How could you possibly say that?

BOLLING: Because it's all about the economic system, Bob. It's all about --


BOLLING: He's villainized the profit motive.

GUILFOYLE: He's talking about it from the an economic perspective, Bob.

BOLLING: That's the difference is profit motive. And Obama world, the Obamanomics, the profit motive is not a good thing. It's an evil thing. It needs to be taxed more.

GUILFOYLE: Now you have woken Bob up from a nap.

BECKEL: Because I love you so much -- will you stop with a nap all right? Just because you and I napped earlier, it's fine.


GUILFOYLE: You wish.


BECKEL: Because I like you a lot, I'm not going to really respond to that. But you really -- give me the shovel, OK?


BECKEL: You get so close to calling Obama and lumping him in with some of great dictators in history.

BOLLING: No, no, I didn't put him anywhere near that.

GUTFELD: No, he clearly said he wasn't --

BOLLING: It's a distinction between President Obama's form of socialism, economic socialism. That has nothing to do with fascist dictators that killed people.

However, they're both an economic system where the state rules all and people work for the state and they divvy up --

BECKEL: State rules all. Are you kidding me?

BOLLING: That's the perfect world. Remember fair share, how many times did he do a fair share speech?

GUTFELD: The good news, though, the good news, Dana, new survey says that 66 percent believe government is wasteful and inefficient. That's up 24 percent from 2009. That's got to be a good thing, right?

PERINO: There is something in here for everybody. On tax, conservatives could say that 58 percent of millennials want to cut taxes overall and liberals can say 66 percent want to raise taxes on the wealthy. They're all over the map. I don't think that they're really hard to pin down.

So, that could mean they are ripe for the picking. So, you just have to make really good persuasive arguments about what is in their best economic interests that doesn't cross the line for them into social policy that they can't support.

BECKEL: The problem is you're going to have a Republican Party that wants to do that, what you said.

PERINO: I agree.

BECKEL: You know, these are DNA transfer on personality, to begin with. You know, some of those people -- besides Teddy Cruz name one character in the Republican Party that you think is interesting.

GUTFELD: Let's stay focus.

GUILFOYLE: Rand Paul is interesting.

BECKEL: Rand Paul I agree with.


GUTFELD: Kimberly, the millennials are the most populous generation. They're capable. What advice would you give them?

GUILFOYLE: What would I give them -- OK, well, speaking to the FOX News interns today, I would tell them, you know, get after it. Be -- go for what you want to do. Pursue your dreams. Don't be afraid to take a no. Try again.

And go in and get the experience and do something you feel passionate about so you can contribute because likelihood is, if you're doing something that makes you excited when you wake up in the morning, Bob, you'll probably be successful. You're probably going to be successful at it.

BECKEL: You have gotten me so inspired. I can't believe it.

GUILFOYLE: I can tell. It's all over your face.

GUTFELD: Next on "The Five": great news, the border is secure. Harry Reid says it. So, it must be true. Stay tuned.


PERINO: In case you didn't hear, there's nothing to worry about at the border. How do we know? Harry Reid says so. How does he know?

Here's Harry.


SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV), MAJORITY LEADER: The border is secure. Martin Heinrich talked to the caucus today. He's a border state senator. He said he can say without any equivocation, the border is secure.


PERINO: A different lawmaker, Democrat at the border, argues otherwise.


REP. RON BARBER (D), ARIZONA: The people I represent in Southern Arizona and I have 83 miles of the border with Mexico don't feel secure. Don't feel safe in their homes. The border isn't secure from my perspective.


PERINO: What does the White House think?

Ed Henry tried to get an answer from Josh Earnest earlier today.


ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Senator Reid said, he put the majority leader's office right behind it, he said the border is secure. Do you agree with him?

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The administration under the president's leadership has dedicated significant resources to securing the border.

HENRY: You're saying it is secure?

EARNEST: The position of this administration is that we have made an important investment in securing the border.

HENRY: Not secure --


EARNEST: The president is supportive of additional security being added to the border.


PERINO: OK. And then, Senator Heinrich who Senator Reid was quoting just came out on the senate floor a little while ago and confirmed that the border is secure.

Interesting to me is that just two weeks ago, the White House was saying we had a humanitarian crisis on the border. I'm not sure how they think Americans are supposed to understand they think both things can be true?

BOLLING: Yes, I think Harry Reid is completely -- I don't know what he's smoking. The border is secure. I mean, I don't think anyone in either party thinks the border is secure by any means.

PERINO: Well, there was a senator, Heinrich, who just came out and confirmed what Harry Reid said.

BOLLING: Well, maybe they are smoking the same thing.

PERINO: It could be. Passing it around.

BOLLING: The border is not secure. As soon as they secure the border, then we can probably have some sort of comprehensive immigration reform because republicans would get onboard.

Can I just talk about how broken the immigration system is?


BOLLING: CBS high -- I'm sorry, NBC highlighted this teacher from Presidio, Texas. She's an aerospace teacher to high school kids that came over from the Philippines on a work visa. She couldn't convince immigration to let her stay. She was awarded numerous awards for being one of the best teachers in the state of Texas, and they gave her deportation notice. They gave her a deportation notice.

It took a Texas congressman to get her a green card so she could stay. Meanwhile, that's one example of a very, very amazing teacher doing great things with kids. Meanwhile, we have 57,000 illegal kids coming over. We have 1 million illegal adults coming across the border, storming the border, and we don't send them back. They are the ones that don't get deportation notices but these do.

This needs to be reformed. We need more legal immigrants coming over.

PERINO: That's interesting, because that's the question I wanted to ask Bob -- because, Bob, both parties, Republicans and Democrats, have used comprehensive immigration reform as a way to hold off legislation in order to get what they want on the right, more border security, and on the left - - for lack of a better word -- amnesty and citizenship -- path to citizenship for illegals that are here already.

Do you think now, though, that everybody agrees that bill is not going to pass this year? Is it time for both parties to say, OK, at least we can maybe do something piecemeal and solve the H1B visa problem or the entrepreneurial problem and just at least get that done this year?

BECKEL: I think -- I think there's a possibility of that. I think there's a possibility in the lame duck session you can get a more comprehensive bill. But, you know, the fact of the matter is, in San Diego, in California, the border is secure. In certain parts of Arizona, it is secure. In Texas, a lot of it is not secure because it's a very big, long piece of land to try to secure. But there are secure parts of the border. They're right about that.

And by the way, the people -- the Filipino woman who was being sent back, that happens many times -- too many times every year. But the fact is they are immigrants and that is what this country is built with. Among those million people who came across the border, I would bet thousands of them would make great contributions to this country.

PERINO: True. Let me ask you, Kimberly --

GUILFOYLE: And vote Democrat.

PERINO: I want to ask you --

GUILFOYLE: I'm just telling you. This is kind of politically convenient in many respects. Sorry to take a cynical viewpoint.


BECKEL: If you take the Democratic bill, the first time that someone got amnesty, you call it, could be --

GUILFOYLE: Those aren't my words.

BECKEL: The Republicans think as amnesty, it would take 18 years before they could vote, 18 years.

GUILFOYLE: You know what, Bob? Future building.

PERINO: Let me ask you, Kimberly, about this -- one of the border patrol agents, he thinks the main problem goes back to what we've been talking about for decades and that's the drug trade and drug cartels. From your experience, do you think that that's true?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, I think it's a very relevant, important point. I think he's right on.

When you talk to people that are there at the border that are seeing what's going on, on a daily basis, and having worked in Los Angeles, especially the influx of gang cases, largely traffic and narcotics, you see in real- time what's happening and where they come from and they come here to make money.

Now, listen, there are plenty of people that want to contribute and be part of a decent job and a great way of life and God bless them. But there is a right way to do things and there is an illegal way to do it. You have to respect the borders. You have to respect the laws.

What about all of the immigrants that came before? Because when you have this kind of porous border and it's fine if it's secure in some sections, but you are only as strong as the weakest link.

PERINO: Greg hasn't had a chance to talk yet, so that I can get him in.

I wanted to ask you -- you can talk about anything you want. But can I ask you about your perception of other media coverage of this issue and how that's maybe affecting the debate?

GUTFELD: Well, I love -- the media plays its role by saying it's anything but a violation of our country's sovereignty. And it goes back to my central point that Harry Reid might be the dumbest person on the earth but I don't want to rule out life on other planets. The borders are about as secure as Bill Clinton's pants. That is the point. Security is the obstacle for the far left.

Once you compromise the sovereignty of the U.S., the U.S. is no longer us. There is -- we become them. That's what they want.

BECKEL: Can I make one point here?

The problem with this border is there's no border in Mexico. Areas that are controlled by the drugs and they control everything. The elected officials, the police, that's where most people come across, because that's where most of the coyotes come across, the guys who are carrying drugs. You got a big stretch of land there which is dominated and controlled by gangs, and murdering -- 50,000 people have died there.

So, there is no border. The only border there -- there's nothing on the Mexican side to slow it down.

GUTFELD: What's interesting about Mexico is people can still go there and have a great time at a resort. For some reason, there are no problems when they don't want the problems.

GUILFOYLE: You are absolutely right. Having gotten engaged in Mexico twice in (INAUDIBLE)


BECKEL: Well, five times.

GUILFOYLE: No, twice.

PERINO: All right. Next, police in New Jersey are on high alert after getting threats from a violent street gang. The Bloods are reportedly vowing to avenge the death of a cop killer after cops killed him. Kimberly has the details, coming up.


GUILFOYLE: Nice song.

All right. Yesterday, we told you about the brutal killing of New Jersey police officer Melvin Santiago on Sunday. Santiago was ambushed in a parking lot by gunman Lawrence Campbell, who was later killed when more cops arrived on scene.

Now, police statewide are reportedly receiving threats from the Bloods gang seeking to avenge the cop killer's death. They've been warned to take the threats seriously.

Shockingly, a memorial had been erected in one neighborhood in honor of Campbell but it's since been taken down. The mainstream media has been silent on this story.

Having prosecuted gang cases with L.A. D.A.'s office, very intimately familiar with the Bloods, with the Crips, with a tremendous amount of violence that these gangs create in a community. And again, nothing is sacred, no life, especially law enforcement.

You see this situation go down and instead of an appropriate response, you see this brazen disregard for human life. And now, saying that they say they'll gonna avenge the cop killer's death. I mean, look, what do you make? Greg, you are shaking your head.

GREG GUTFELD, "The Five" HOST: Well, yeah. The sad part is gang violence is almost viewed as an acceptable part of life. In media -- in general, it's like the weather in Chicago you have a 40 percent chance of raining bullets. It's just the way things are. Why do gangs flourish? Because I think a lot of it is a fear of targeting gangs because they are made up of minorities, and you might be perceive this racist, witnessed the end of stop and frisk in New York City. That made minority neighborhoods way safer. They helped minority neighbors by getting the guns out of there but white liberals crushed it because they don't live in those neighborhoods.

GUILFOYLE: Eric, so the mainstream media is not covering the story. They don't seem to want to talk about it, bring it to the attention. It's an important case, and an important story to cover.

ERIC BOLLING, "The Five" HOST: We talked about the reporter yesterday from news to local news 12 who, I guess he resigned today. I heard that they were cutting him back to one hour a week. He's like, I can't make a living so he resigned. That's what I heard today. Just to get an idea of what's going on here. New York, New Jersey, adjacent to each other, this crime occurred in New Jersey very close to New York, but the drugs seem to become into New York Harbor area and it's going westward, and what happens -- I live 15 miles west of this place. There was gang (inaudible) a murder of a 19-year-old kid straight A student in my hometown. Six gunshots to the head, blow out the windows in car and left him in our hometown and they can't figure it out. I mean, it's insane how the gang violence is now spreading. Remember in the 80s it was huge in L.A. and then all of the sudden, they put a stop to it. The LAPD just -- they ended that. They had gang unit.

GUILFOYLE: Task force and gang unit, it's called the hard core gang unit.

BOLLING: What's happening here?


BOB BECKEL, "The Five" HOST: What's happening is that organized crime for the longest time controlled drug trafficking and it was taken over by gangs. The bloods that are coming in are coming into west coast bringing drugs into the biggest drug market in the country which is New Jersey, New York and Connecticut (ph) the tri-state area. And so, I'm not surprised they will use this as an excuse. We're gonna go defend our brother here, but basically what they're doing is bringing about 6 stashes with the heroin with them. And by the way, it's not as much coming in as it was in the port of New Jersey or New York. Most of it is coming from the west and most of it is coming out of Mexico and that's where we all fear, except heroin which has now picked up an enormous amount, based in my experience in the last five years. It's incredible how much heroin is out there.

DANA PERINO, "The Five" HOST: Coming in from where?

BECKEL: Well, that's coming in from Afghanistan and Thailand and they are bringing it (inaudible) through Marce (ph) is now going through Nigeria, coming over the Caribbean and up.

BOLLING: Want to hear something crazy? I'm sorry, Dana, I apologize but there's a heroin truck that was -- a van, riding through the -- you know, the white neighborhoods with kids with some money driving around dealing heroin out of the back of the van. They ended it busting it because the guy was so stoned.

PERINO: With the ice cream truck?

BOLLING: It was like a van truck, look just like that and they were selling it all out of the back. The guy happen to be so high that he forgot to go on a green light and cop pulled him over and busted him. It's insane the reach that these gang drug dealers have.

GUTFELD: They got to legalized it.

BOLLING: I would agree with that.

PERINO: I would say, first, I think it's remarkable how many young people choose to go into the police force still. Officer Santiago had not been on the force for very long. He love to -- he said before the reason that he wanted to go into policing is that he loved his community. He was a minority, too. So, obviously Hispanics are gaining in population. So, I do think that if we want to have more people like him join the police force, there has to be swift consequences and tough punishment to deter actions like this from gaining any sort of steam.

GUTFELD: Most of these people sentenced, they never fulfill their sentences, do they?

GUILFOYLE: Well, it depends. I mean, sometimes they'll do 80 percent or 85 percent depending on sentencing guidelines and that if there's enhancements. Unfortunately, yeah, unless it's some of the federal crimes, you don't do the actual exact amount.


GUTFELD: They call it a gun, you're out anyway.

BECKEL: That's why you have to clear these prisons out of marijuana -- people who got minor marijuana (inaudible) and put hardcore drug dealers in. They don't do that.

GUILFOYLE: But I have got really bad news for you, Bob.


GUILFOYLE: It's not the possession of marijuana people that are in the state prisons or in the maximum security prisons where these gang members go. So, there is actually nobody to kind of kick out when it comes to maximum security prisons, like Falcon Bay.


PERINO: We should do that.

GUILFOYLE: We should do it.

PERINO: We should. We shall.

GUILFOYLE: We shall do it.

PERINO: Do you want to go to break?

GUILFOYLE: Eventually. Coming up, Eric can't stop talking now or about one of his favorite news shows Tyrant about an American family in the Middle East. It's been drawing complaints from Muslim groups like here and he's going to tell you all about it next. Stay with us.


BOLLING: A Middle East Islamic dictatorship with Arab spring revolution under way, a dictator caught between killing thousands to retain power and a message that would send the world especially Americans. Egypt? Nope. Iraq? No way. An amazing new drama called Tyrant. Here's a clip.




BOLLING: Tyrant is awesome. The story line is ripped right from today's headlines, produced and directed by people who really understand geopolitics but not everyone loves Tyrant as much as me and my pal Ibrahim Hooper at care has a problem with the show. He says, in Tyrant, Arab Muslim culture is devoid of any redeeming qualities and is represented by terrorists, murderous children, rapists, corrupt billionaires and powerless female victims. In Tyrant even the good Arab Muslims are bad.

PERINO: And the problem is?

BOLLING: And the problem is.


BOLLING: He is completely incorrect. The problem is there are a lot of good Arab Muslims in the show. Probably, my good friend who is watching today, Ibrahim, you haven't watched the show yet, have you, sir?

PERINO: Yeah, but seriously, I would watch it, because I think that it's a good depiction of some story lines that you wouldn't see anywhere, but I want to note, has Ibrahim Hooper ever complained about anti-U.S. propaganda on any of the multiple channels in the Arab world, ever? Where Americans are depicted as every bad thing under the sun? I am sure that's never happened and if he wants to start going down that road, we can do to protect.

BOLLING: One of the.

PERINO: That was really on (inaudible).

BOLLING: One of the brothers who was born in this fictitious Arab country came to the U.S. and was educated and he is also the peace loving kind of guy. I don't think Ibrahim Hooper watched that part.

BECKEL: Ibrahim doesn't like me very much and I don't care. The fact of the matter is, Dana, just put -- made a very important point here. We have to put up with the worst, most despicable anti-western dialogue and crap that comes out of Muslim countries and you sit back here, your upset by one TV show. Come on, give me a break. We're the great state. Remember that? We're the great state. If you think we're the great state, get the hell out and go back home.

BOLLING: All right. (Inaudible)

PERINO: Greg, please (inaudible)

GUTFELD: The story is also that it's hard to make a show like this because it's politically insensitive. Meanwhile, you can do a TV show like Big Love, which is about (inaudible) or The Americans, which is -- has its sympathetic ambiguous portrayal of the KGB. So, you can do things that would be considered critical of American sacks (ph) or American types and that's OK, but you can't do this and it's because any entertainment industry reality is considered insensitive. Any time you approach a fact, it's mean. Imagine if C.A.R.E. oversaw a movie on 9/11 and it would be about how Muslims tried to that failed to land the fault to American planes.

BOLLING: The (inaudible). I think C.A.R.E., Kimberly, council on American Islamic relations. They're not very good at keeping relations, are they?

GUILFOYLE: I think they are losing focus. I mean, criticizing a show they haven't watched, and getting on some like band wagon PC nonsense, and instead they should be devoting their efforts to educating the public and taking a strong stand against Jihadist and against terror throughout the world. Instead they are focused on this show and not even looking at the full picture and whole aspect of it. They could do so much good with a voice that they have and I wish they would.

BECKEL: I was in Iran during (inaudible) as regime that was just before the ayatollah came back and we had taken a congressional delegation over there and there were hundreds of thousands of people were calling us every word. We were driven out of that country. I wish you had been there. It was a very safe.


BOLLING: His name was Douglas Hooper back then. Coming up, was it right for mom to be jailed for letting his 9 year old play in the park while she went to work? We'll debate that coming up.


BECKEL: Fox News alert. President Obama is delivering a statement right now about foreign policy at the White House. Bret Baier will have more on it in the 6:00 hour.

All right. Now to a truly absurd story, a South Carolina mother was arrested for the heinous crime of letting her 9-year-old daughter play -- is it heinous? Don't try to correct me (inaudible), in a park by herself. Debra Harrell, has been charged with a felony and sat in jail and now has been fired from her job at McDonald's, all in the span of two weeks. All this begs the question when do the rights of a parent supersede those of a child's safety? I'm not sure that that's the appropriate question to be asking here, because -- does anybody believe this woman is willingly put her daughter at risk?

GUTFELD: No. I don't think so.

PERINO: No, and I think the remedy to arrest her and separate her from her daughter was a really bad decision.

BECKEL: Absolutely. I mean.

GUILFOYLE: They overreacted in this case. There are so many cases I have seen them leave children in the care and custody of parents that they should not have in very dangerous homes where a child ultimately ended up deceased, very sad. But in a case like this, this mom is trying to work, trying to provide for her family. Doesn't have I guess the ability to make ends meet and also have a baby sitter. So, she thought let me let my daughter, making a judgment call about her being responsible, play in the park instead of sit in McDonald's all day, bad decision on her part but not something where you take the child away and go crazy on the mom. So, you just leave her in a hot car -- it's a tough situation. She should have brought the kid to work.

GUTFELD: When we were nine, I was alone all the time when I was nine.


BECKEL: You still are.

GUTFELD: No, but I mean, like when you are 9 years old, you can pretty much figure things out.

PERINO: I can walk four blocks to the elementary school and then I could do a back flips off of a metal bar onto the grabble thing all day long, but.


GUTFELD: Eric, what did you do when you were nine years old?

BECKEL: Is it not the case that this woman is among the lower income people in America, who cares, as Kimberly points out cannot afford the kind of day care that you need. And so, what are people supposed to do? Give her jobs up? I mean, she's got to do the best she can in a job structure where.

BOLLING: If my reason was correctly, she was jailed -- in which I don't think she should be jailed for leaving her 9 year old in a park. However, I got to think that's pretty negligent too. Leaving a 9-year-old unsupervised for hours at a time.

GUTFELD: That's what a parks for, right?

BOLLING: Hours at a time unsupervised. Listen, don't jail her but maybe, you know, consider either taking the -- I don't know. If the kid walks out of a park and gets hit by a car, then what?

GUILFOYLE: Or get kidnapped by a predator.


GUTFELD: Kids get hit by cars when they're nine on a bicycle.

BOLLING: But the negligence being you leave your kid unsupervised0 That there right -- there's no different.

GUTFELD: I don't have kids. But can't a 9 year old be unsupervised?

BECKEL: Yeah, sure they can. The other thing is.

(CROSSTALK) BECKEL: They have to think about taking care of their family because wage structure is so terrible that she has to make that choice and what are you gonna do? She gonna give up her job and then go on welfare?


PERINO: I was just gonna say that even if -- even if you raised the minimum wage to, let say it's $20, it's the downward spiral is that you have a baby sitters that charge more. So, it's a basically a wash. She's never gonna catch up. The goal is to get her a little bit of an education and had a minimum wage job be the one that she basically does just for a while to get by while she tries to do something better and more. That is the goal, answer isn't to throw a few more dollars at her an hour.

GUTFELD: But also, Bob, to get the men to stick around.

BECKEL: Yeah, that's a good point. But I think the other thing is.

PERINO: And pay.

BECKEL: City parks ought to pay for -- this is a great thing for summer employment for kids unemployed. Let them be baby sitters in parks. Let the city pay for that.

BOLLING: My point being, I think there's plenty of opportunities for low income people to have their children supervised whether it's in a park or.

GUILFOYLE: But it's about the family structure. So many people have their sister or brother, aunt, uncle, grandmother, in many cultures that takes on the role of the caregiver for the children while the, you know, better able younger family members can work and provide income to the family unit.

BECKEL: I think that's about the people who make more money as start you can pay for day care for the kids in parks in every city in America. One More Thing is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Liability to stop(ph).

GUTFELD: The answer for everything.


GUTFELD: It's time now for One More Thing. Let's go over to Ms. Kimberly Guilfoyle.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you.

GUTFELD: You're welcome. Well, that was wonderful. Let's move to Dana.

GUILFOYLE: I thought you would be happy because I don't have something about the royals in the U.K. I have something about essentially the royal family of America. JFK, Jr., 15 years ago today he passed. And I can't even believe how quickly time has passed. I remember where I was when I got this news and it was all over the TV and press and this was a bright, patriotic, such an interesting young man with such promise of a future. And I would have loved to see the things that he would have done for this country.

GUTFELD: Don't forger the young lady that died too.

GUILFOYLE: And it's just sad as well. Very sad the tragic loss and Ms. Bessette's sister who also died in the terrible plane crash. Anyway, thinking of him today and their family.

BECKEL: 15 years. Wow.


PERINO: Yes, OK. Do you ever wonder what would happen if you like, when you leave here, when you retire, if you'll get your name and portrait on the wall?

GUTFED: Never.

PERINO: It happens in state capitols. It happens in state capitols. You know, like part of the deal(ph) is that you run for office, you get elected and -- Bob, stop it.

BECKEL: I'm sorry.

PERINO: If you get elected and then you get your portrait up on the wall. Well, in Pennsylvania they had a problem because they had so many people that been convicted of crimes and usually having to do with breaking campaign finance laws that they wanted to take the portraits down but there was a compromise. Instead they kept the portraits up and they added a plaque. Check out Bob Mellow, this is a guy who was from Lackawanna County, he had a guilty plea to conspiracy to commit mail fraud and filing a false tax return. And so, they added that to the plaque just to make sure the historical record is complete. So, just be aware of that when you want your picture on the wall.


PERINO: It would be added to later.

GUTFELD: A plaque. OK. You guys know Liz McDonald. She works over at FBN. She's a redeye regular.


GUTFELD: She's a dynamo. She's a bag of laughs. And I'm not kidding, the real broad. Anyway, she got a new book out called Skirting Heresy. I wish we would show a picture of Liz McDonald. Skirting Heresy, it's the story of Margery Kempe. She wrote the first autobiography in the fourteenth century, she's quite a eccentric woman. I think she was patron saint of gossip, had 14 kids. It's a wonderful read. Go to Amazon and check it out. And Liz McDonald is a lot of fun.

GUILFOYLE: You mean buy it?

GUTFELD: But it. Bob.

BECKEL: OK. First of all, two more workdays Derek Jeter's girlfriend, I don't know if you can see this. Can we get closer?


BECKEL: Here's a reporter in England. He's trying to report on a shake-up of the cabinet.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh that's cabinet's prepared too. The last one, the one yesterday on what we can see is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you wanna take a pause? Do you wanna take a pause? You know, because I think he's talking non stop. You're OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, no. I swallowed a fly. That's all right.


PERINO: Did he really?

BECKEL: Let's go ahead. Erick.

BOLLING: I don't know if we have time? Do we have time? OK. If capitalism rocks number of reason, 200 million, check it out. Kim Kardashian in Hollywood. She's gonna make up to $200 million on this video game per year.


GUTFELD: All right. Don't forget to set your DVR.

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