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Graham to Obama: Your fellow Democrats will have to carry your bags in 2014 and 2016, you should talk to Boehner, opponents if you want to accomplish anything

The president said the GOP has blocked every serious idea to strengthen the middle class. The only problem: It's not true. Is this part of an Obama pattern?


This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," July 15, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Back here in the U.S., President Obama just got caught. "Washington Post" fact checker Glenn Kessler giving the president three Pinocchios for saying this.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: So far this year, Republicans in Congress have blocked or voted down every serious idea to strengthen the middle class.


VAN SUSTEREN: And that is not the only time President Obama has claimed the Republicans in Congress have blocked every serious idea to strengthen the middle class.

Joining us, Republican Senator Lindsey Graham. In fact, he has also said it on July 20th, and he repeated it on July 1st. He got three Pinocchios from "The Washington Post," meaning that it is simply not true.

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM, R-S.C.: How many PinoCchios can you get?

VAN SUSTEREN: You can get four, but he got three.

GRAHAM: Well, he was short one of what he deserved. That's political spin.

VAN SUSTEREN: So, what's the story?

GRAHAM: Well, the story is that the House has passed 40 bills relating to improving the economy, building the XL -- the Keystone Pipeline, trying to find ways to repeal parts of ObamaCare that are costing us jobs like the 30 hour workweek requirement. And it all dies in the Senate. All the bills passed in the House have come to the Senate. We've never had a vote. When -- we've had 11 roll call votes in one year. Republicans have had 11 votes in an entire year in the U.S. Senate.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, you know, what I don't get though is the president. Why is he saying this? First of all, he's getting slapped around by "The Washington Post," I mean that's bad. I mean it's like "The Washington Post" is catching him. But you've got the Water Resources Reform and Development Act, you've got the Farm Bill, home heating emergency assistance through transportation.

GRAHAM: Right, right.

VAN SUSTEREN: You've got today -- tonight's House approved short-term to keep afloat the Highway Trust Fund, meaning you've got a lot -- I mean, even -- I mean, like why is he even like -- he must know he is going to get caught.

GRAHAM: If it's not about us, he's in trouble. When you don't have anything to say about what you've done and what you've accomplished and what you would like to do, you blame the other guy. And the reason that he's not talking about his accomplishments and his vision for America is falling apart through ObamaCare.

VAN SUSTEREN: Wait. If I -- if I had a law firm and I had a lawyer working for me whose strategy was to insult the other side and try to get a deal, I'd fire the lawyer. I mean, it's like, what a stupid way -- what a stupid way.

GRAHAM: Well, what else will he say? What else is he going to say?

VAN SUSTEREN: He doesn't have to say anything. He could pick up the phone, call up Boehner and say come up to the White House. You like red wine and I like red wine. We'll sit down and have a glass of wine and we'll at least have a conversation, a civil conversation, and we'll work towards solving these things. That would be good for starters. But insulting the GOP, it's just a lousy strategy for a leader compared to -- I mean it's --

GRAHAM: Well, see, that's the key phrase. A leader would try to bring us together, move the ball, you know, down the field. The pipeline is like 75 percent popularity. Repealing the medical device tax that came from ObamaCare that's costing thousands of jobs, there are 17 Democrats ready to vote for that.

VAN SUSTEREN: And those of us -- and you know what bothers me about that? Is that, I mean, that goes back to all these Democrats in these states where they have medical device manufacturers.

GRAHAM: Sign the letter.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, they were in the bill originally but they never bothered to read the bill when it was passed, ObamaCare. So then when it's passed, now all of sudden they're scandalized that they've got this horrible tax in it. I have no sympathy for them. I feel bad for the medical device manufacturers, but you not for these members of Congress who are going to get slammed at home.

GRAHAM: Here's the question: How do we survive for over two years with this? The president ran as a centrist. He had a really chance to change this country. He passed ObamaCare on a party line vote, the stimulus package with three Republicans. Rather than governing from the center, he's been in the left edge, and he seems not to be interested at all in trying to bring this together. And there's a lot we actually agree on.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, don't forget, right after he was sworn n 2009, one of the first thing -- at least it was reported -- he said that Republicans, when there's a discussion about the stimulus bill, is "I won." And election of -- it was like, it was right from the get-go. He, you know, he -- the -- he didn't understand governing.

GRAHAM: You know who's losing the most?

VAN SUSTEREN: The American people.

GRAHAM: The American people, but the Democratic Party is going to have to carry his bags in 2014 and 2016. He would do his party and his country well to sit down with John Boehner and other people who really do want to try to get some things done.

VAN SUSTEREN: Senator, nice to see you, sir.

GRAHAM: Thank you.