White House: Obama's policies improved global 'tranquility'

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 15, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."


PERINO: If you asked President Obama about the security situation around the globe, here's what he'd tell you.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If you have to choose any moment to be born in human history you choose this time. The world is less violent than it has ever been.


PERINO: That was rockets falling down on Israel, a civil war in Syria and Russia's invasion of Ukraine. "The Wall Street Journal" says President Obama's tenuous foreign policy may have actually fueled today's international conflict.

Ed Henry asked his press secretary about the claim and wasn't expecting this response.


ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: How does the White House react to the notion that the president is a bystander in all these crises?

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I think that there had been a number of situations in which you've seen this administration intervene in a meaningful way. It has substantially furthered American interests and substantially improved the -- you know, the tranquility of the global community.


PERINO: "The Washington Post" is taking note. Dana Milbank says, "Tranquility? Where, in Iceland?"

David Ignatius calls the president's foreign policy overly cautious. Ron Fournier of "The National Journal" has one diagnosis for the lack of direction in the White House. He says, "Obama leans on three words that should be virtually banned from the vocabulary of any leader: I, me, and my."

And maybe it's time for a shakeup. That's what "The Post's" Fred Hiatt is suggesting. "What a president needs are people who will challenge his thinking and, when necessary, tell him news he would rather not hear."

Eric, let me start with you. When president Obama -- we know that he reads editorials, he's pretty involved in looking what the Washington cocktail circuit is saying about his presidency. I think there's a major disconnect, because it's one thing to say something on the cocktail circuit. It's another to get so frustrated that you start writing it on the editorial pages. But still I don't think the White House thinks it has a problem. Do you?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yes, he wasn't being earnest, was he, really? Look, you name three things. But we didn't name Iraq, Boko Haram, North Korea, I mean, the globe --

PERINO: Central America. I mean, we could have gone on.

BOLLING: Yes, Central America, the flood of illegals coming into the country. He could have gone on and on. So, no. He's wrong. It's not more tranquil than it's been. He's not providing tranquility to the world. It's probably more dangerous that it's been in decades since, I guess, Ronald Reagan calmed things down quite a bit.

Can I go from foreign policy to domestic policy -- to domestic stuff right here right now? Over -- I'm sorry.

PERINO: Well, it is all about foreign policy.

BOLLING: Just let me do this. Over the weekend, this translate why this stuff matters, why Josh Earnest saying that kind of stuff really matters. I was with one of my best friends in the world over the weekend, a small business owner.

He was paying a thousand dollars a month for health care. It jacked up under ObamaCare to 1,700 bucks a month. And the point he was trying to make was, look, I voted for the guy. I can't understand what he's doing. I hear these scandals. These things are going on. I just don't get it.

It's not working for me as a small businessman. It's also not working for -- you know, the public.

When you look back, where are we in the world? We're -- I don't think we're perceived as the powerhouse we used to be. It starts right here at home from the economy. I think that's where he's really lacking.

PERINO: That's -- OK, so, I'm just going to pivot it back over to foreign policy and just ask Andrea that question about the campaign coming up. I heard something very interesting last night from somebody at an event that they think -- this is somebody who follows politics quite closely -- that the Republicans could actually run in 2016 a candidate whose platform is basically, I will restore America's global leadership, America's position in the world.

It's very unusual for a campaign, I think, to be run on foreign policy. Do you think that's even possible?

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: I don't know because I don't have a crystal ball and I don't know exactly where the heads of the American people will be at that time.

If I'm to assume that we're going to continue with this instability across the globe, then it could be a good platform. However, foreign policy, if you look at the priorities of the American people, it's not number one. I mean, as Eric points out, domestic issues are number one. So, I don't know who was saying that.

I just -- I have not seen in recent years any candidate run with foreign policy as sort of the lead platform issue. It's usually the economy, or something bigger. I mean, Obama did hope and change. So, it could be part of a larger theme.

But the president gets a lot of things wrong. First and foremost, he says nobody would have wanted to be born at any other time but now. I actually wanted to be born in the '60s so I could have been older in the `70s, and experience that whole disco era. So, he gets that wrong.

But, you know, Josh Earnest talks about -- he was asked about the bystander presidency -- it's not just foreign policy, Dana. I mean, he's a bystander when it comes to veterans affairs. He's a bystander when it comes to the border.

There's a link between all of these issues that he's just not engaged in. And the problem that I have is earlier this week it was announced the feds were going to look into NFL locker rooms. They wanted to look into prescription pain killer use.

So, now, people are saying it's not that he's just totally checked out, he's engaged in things that aren't priorities. And really, if you should be rifling through anybody's locker, it's not the corner back in the NFL locker room, it's Josh Earnest's desk. I mean, what kind of individual that's totally sane and not on any kind of mind hallucinogen would say that it's tranquil in the world? I mean, that's just crazy.

PERINO: He might regret -- well, maybe not regret, but that might have been a word, Bob, that he wishes he wouldn't have used. You could see, he's like thinking and you could see the word cloud was in his head and he chose tranquility.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Tranquility.


Let me ask you about Fred Hiatt, because one of the things that -- his editorial board director for "The Washington Post," he suggests that President Obama needs a new national security team within the White House, someone to challenge his thinking. But I wonder if you think that would actually make a difference because President Obama hasn't really listened to anybody on his national security team before. If you look most recently before the Syria red line, Panetta, Gates and Clinton, all part of the inner circle, told the president their recommendation was to do something that the president ultimately chose not to do.

So, do you think that changing the national security team would make a difference?

BECKEL: I don't -- you know, every time, generally in the sixth year of the presidency, you always hear this call for getting rid of the White House staff. The difference is -- the problem is you can change all you want, you're not going to change the man. And in this case, Obama is in to the max (ph). He listens to a couple or three people.

But I want to go back to this one point about tranquility. It was not a good word, but you talk about Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan in the period of time when Ronald Reagan was in office, we had an actively, about four or five civil wars going on in South America. We have about five or six going on in Africa. He sent -- Iran/Contra scandal was going on.

He sent missiles to the Iranians. He -- we lost 2,000 marines in one day one Reagan's watch.

So please you got to look at history. You just can't say -- a lot of bad things going on now? There have been for years. I want to know a period you think that's more tranquil than this. Generally.

PERINO: Well, you're asking me.

Eric, you want to respond to that?

BECKEL: No, no, I'm just saying generally. I mean --

BOLLING: I think the period after, that -- you know, maybe Reagan's third, fourth, fifth year in. He solved the Cold War. He solved -- to say that Ronald Reagan is responsible for, you know, a marine barracks being blown to smithereens.

BECKEL: He sent them in there.

BOLLING: But to say he's responsible, they blew the barracks up, Bob. They didn't --


BECKEL: You said that Obama's responsible for the world I don't talk about.



PERINO: I want to get Greg in here.

GUTFELD: I'm thinking about what I'm going eat.

PERINO: OK, what are you going to eat tonight? I know that song. But let me ask you this. Let's just say the world is always messy.

GUTFELD: Yes, it is a mess.

PERINO: The difference being President Obama inherited the leader of the free world and one of the complaints from some people has been that he has declined to assume that position and drive it home.

GUTFELD: Yes. Well, he is doing something by doing nothing, because instability is his ability. For example, his tear down the wall moment is happening right now. Unfortunately, that wall is our wall. It's the border. That's an interesting contrast. By not doing something he's watching something happening, he's not a leader as much as he is a facilitator of an ideology. America in a weird way is his class project for a grad student whose designs are coming to fruition.

As far as tranquility increasing, why are people storming our borders? He completely disproved the claim that people are coming here because of gang violence. In fact, it's his policies that are attracting these people here. He's not a magnet for immigration he's a linear accelerator.

The world right now, Bob, is as stable as a Pier 1 shelf. And Obama is as removed as Flight 370. Nero fiddled but Obama is playing the whole damn orchestra. He has gone.

And he doesn't mind. He's playing golf. He's going to these amazing parties that none of us have -- will ever be invited to.

The belief is and then I'll stop, the belief is when you visit somewhere, you're supposed to leave it better off than you were when you entered. Obama got it backwards. We gave him America. In return, he gave us Detroit.

BECKEL: The -- let me just -- I have to ask you, when was America's borders not under siege, one. The 11 million people who are here illegally before Obama got here, most of them got here after the last, when Reagan and others did the immigration reform bill.

This has been going on a long time. This is nothing new. So, you can hang all that on Barack Obama. In fact, there are probably fewer coming in now than there were during those periods.

GUTFELD: But here's the difference. Never in my lifetime has a president were -- in which -- no matter what the conflict is, whether it's the IRS, the DOJ, the borders, has the political analysis been about him. It's not about the country. It's about how it affects him. How he feels. Does he feel good about this?

In both elections, we were about saving America when in fact we were anointing a savior and they focused on him and not this chaos that has been created around here. That's why nothing gets fixed. To him, America is not country. It's a trophy wife.


BECKEL: That's a good and thoughtful point. I think that's right.

TANTAROS: The only tranquility is the White House. Maybe he's saying that because he's sitting in a very quiet, tranquil White House like a day spa that doesn't realize there's a problem.

Now, Bob, you say the world has always been full of conflicts and things like this. The difference is, though, President Obama has created and made worse certain conflicts.

BECKEL: Like what?

TANTAROS: OK, like Egypt.

BECKEL: He created Egypt?

TANTAROS: Let me finish, please? He asked the president of Egypt to step aside. He did it. They celebrated. Democrats celebrated and said democracy will hit the people of Egypt. That has not happened. The Muslim Brotherhood took over.

Iraq is another example. They trumpet this as one of the greatest accomplishments for their administration. We know that's not the case, OK?

What happens is, if there's a problem, and it's been made worse, you don't quit on the problem. You go back and fix the problem. So, President Bush came back with a surge. President Obama goes and creates havoc and then leaves and doesn't solve problems.

BECKEL: I would suggest to you that there was a million and a half people daily in Egypt and the generals in Egypt who got rid of Mubarak, not Barack Obama.

TANTAROS: And I would also point out, too, that he doesn't listen to the generals of this country. So, when you say, like Ron Fournier said, bring in some new staff, he doesn't listen to them anyway. And he has his own is attorney general saying that we're at a dangerous time. "This is the most frightening since I've ever seen since being attorney general" -- a little bit different than tranquil. So, they should get on the same page.

BOLLING: May I, Robert, correct a couple of things that you said. Number one, 200-plus marines not 2,000 marines --

BECKEL: Excuse me, you're right.


Also, under President Obama, Clinton, Bush and Obama all had about the same number of illegals coming across the border. President Obama sent the fewest back. So, you're wrong on that one as well. You say he's probably doing a better job than prior presidents. You're wrong.

BECKEL: The question, how many have -- forget sending back, how many have come in during his six years?

BOLLING: The point being about a million a year and fewer than 400,000.

BECKEL: So, 6 million of the 11 million here because of Obama?

BOLLING: I don't know how many have come and gone, Bob, since the border is more porous under Obama than Bush or Clinton.

BECKEL: That's just absolutely ridiculous. That is absolutely ridiculous.

BOLLING: Well, you can look the numbers up if you want.

PERINO: And, also, we can agree that unaccompanied minors that is the crisis, that's why we're asking the taxpayers to fund $3.7 billion worth of emergency funds to deal with a problem that has happened on this watch.

BECKEL: I also think we ought to give a little credit to the fact that the first plane load of kids went back today. And I think that's a good start. And I think there's also going to be -- this thing I predicted --


BECKEL: It is a start, Eric. It's a start. No kids are going to back.

BOLLING: Fifty-six thousand nine and six left.

BECKEL: That's right. And you'll see another plane tomorrow and another one after that and another one after that.

TANTAROS: I doubt it.

PERINO: OK. If I don't go, then there's going to be no time for Bob's segment at the end and he'll be mad. So, up next, a reporter could lose his job for something he said about young black men while covering the murder of a police officer. He's reportedly been suspended. But does he deserve to be? Greg has those details coming up.


GUTFELD: Remember when Eric Holder called us a bunch of cowards for not discussing race. Tell that to reporter Sean Bergin who, according to "The Blaze," was suspended for taking Holder's advice. Reporting on the brutal premeditated killing of Police Officer Melvin Santiago by a black man in Jersey City -- the reporter linked hatred of cops to a lack of fathers in the black community.


SEAN BERGIN, REPORTER: Now, it's worth noting we were besieged, flooded with calls from police officers furious that we would give media coverage to the life of a cop killer. It's understandable. We decided to air it because it's important to shine a light on this anti-cop mentality that has contaminated America's inner cities. The underlying cause for all of those, of course -- young black men growing up without fathers. Unfortunately, no one in the news media has the courage to touch that subject.


GUTFELD: So, his boss suspended him. Maybe they should. I don't know.

Sean is a reporter, maybe he should leave the opinions to gas bags like me. But I don't know.

My guess is that's not the only reason they kept him home -- a white guy commenting on black communities, that's a no-no. If he had been black, maybe it'd be different. Who knows?

Still, Holder's nation of cowards, Bergin decided to speak up and he paid for it. Meanwhile, some citizens set up a memorial for the slain. But not for the cop, for his killer -- the killer that shot Santiago while he was in his car. Santiago was only six months on the job policing a community he was trying to help.

The memorial is disgusting, a toxic shrub in a barren field.

So, how do such things grow? Well, in a climate where bad stuff cannot be discussed without being punished, how can it not? Fear is the fuel that cultivates the worse in all of us, so maybe we are cowards on race, but not by choice. The suspension of a reporter for a strong comment sends a message to all, better to be a coward than unemployed.

So, Dana, when I was -- you know, when you're watching, he's a reporter but he was doing commentary. He was responding to the fact that people are upset that they were talking about the, I guess, the background of the cop killer and he wanted to shed light on the anti-cop mentality.

But should he have brought that up? Was that incorrect, do you think?

PERINO: I'm not sure how this local station runs things, but I love local news. Anywhere, I go, I love to watch it. And there, on occasion, you do -- there's like a commentary or it's kind of like ombudsman. He was responding to the fact that the station has been called by lots of people with complaints. So, he's explaining why.

GUTFELD: Police officers, too. Right.

PERINO: Here's the other thing, it was in the teleprompter. That wasn't an off the cuff comment. So, if the bosses are so upset by it, it wasn't as if somebody didn't check it. That's what I don't understand about these suspensions and apologies for something like that.

GUTFELD: Yes, Eric should he have said that, right place, wrong time?

BOLLING: You know, and I -- look, I'm all for free speech. I get it. But he was on a news program.

Don't kill for me for this -- but here's I think where he gets himself in trouble, when he says: the underlying cause of all this, of course, young black men growing up without fathers.

The "of course" part is his commentary --


BOLLING: -- I'm not sure that part -- he may have ad libbed that.

PERINO: Right, maybe.

BOLLING: And I think that's what probably got him in trouble, is that just two little words. Know your venue. If you're doing news, be careful. If you're doing commentary, they would be smart to throw commentary --

GUTFELD: They put it up there.

BOLLING: They should put commentary right under it. At the end of "CASHIN' IN," we do commentary at the bottom. So, you know this is coming from my opinion, not from the station. The station is kind of pushing back on what he said.

BECKEL: You do commentary of the whole show.

BOLLING: Yes, but we're an opinion show, that's the difference. I mean, everyone --

GUTFELD: Everybody (ph) has a commentary below it.

BOLLING: This isn't necessarily a news show, this is a commentary, opinion show and therefore, we can give our opinion.

BECKEL: I just weigh in on this. The thing that bothers me about it is not all kids in the -- who are black who don't have fathers hate cops.

GUTFELD: Right, or kill cops.

BECKEL: And the implication here is that this was the catch all answer to the problem of the -- of cops being killed in Jersey City, in black communities, all because of no fathers. I would bet you, there have been cops killed with kids who had fathers and not had fathers. I think the idea that somehow this guy becomes a sociologist about what happened in the black community is way beyond his grade.

GUTFELD: Well, the thing is, I guess what he was trying to say, Andrea, and he probably should have had statistics, is that in the city, there's a large number of missing fathers. There are families without fathers. And there's a lot of high crime. And he should have said, you know, A equals B equals C, or he should have done that, rather than this.

TANTAROS: Yes, he basically started with he's black. Then he ended the equation with and he shot somebody. And the B in this was because he came from a single parent household, which I just think is a tenuous, really weak causal link because single parenthood is I think a problem that transcends race. It's not just limited to the black community. This is a national epidemic.


TANTAROS: And you see kids who commit murder who are white, you see black kids commit murder. So I don't think that using single parenthood and trying to make the direct link to killing a cop was a good idea.

Also, single moms account for one quarter of American households. So, then, is he implying that one in four households is raising cop killers. So, again, I mean, I don't know what he was trying to say. I think he was trying to make the point that there's an epidemic of crime, but to link it to single motherhood is bizarre. And we know that the wife of this cop killer came out and she said that she wished her husband killed more.

So, clearly, this guy is surrounded by evil. He's a mentally disturbed man who married evil, who believed in evil. And evil exists in all colors, white, black, Hispanic, you could go on and on.

BECKEL: Well, I think that was very well said.

One thing we didn't mention here is the one thing that bothers me enormously is that there would actually be a monument to a kid who killed this cop. I find that -- I mean, in the community, the community should have risen up immediately and done away with that. It is just obscene in every way I could possibly imagine.

The idea of honoring somebody who killed a police officer is -- and you wonder why there is the sense of people who don't understand the inner- city, why they have a sense that there is this stuff goes on all the time. It does not.

TANTAROS: Well, and real quick, it was a cop out, too, by saying society made him do it. It's just basically what he was saying, instead of personal responsibility which I just don't buy.

GUTFELD: Yes. All right. We got to move on. Coming up next, Chris Chris, Jesse Watters, Weird Al Yankovic, interesting.


BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.

Good news. The fastest seven is back and faster than ever. Three smart stories, seven swift minutes, one smooth host.

First off, go big or go home. If that's not Chris Christie's 2016 campaign slogan, it should be. You're welcome, camp Christie.

Now, check out this big movie-like trailer touting the superhero governor of planet Eart.


NARRATOR: This summer, from the makers of --

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: Together, we began to clean up the mess of the past -- pensions, health benefits and debt service.

There's no other way to fix a severe problem like this but with pain.

NARRATOR: Hang on to your seats.


BOLLING: That's not a real movie, but you know what, that's a great trailer.


BOLLING: I like that.

GUTFELD: You can make almost anything interesting if you have a trailer voice in a world that nothing is for certain except for Chris Christie.

I don't know. I think he should be doing something else. He should be touting his weight loss and saying I've made myself slimmer, let's do the same to the budget. That would make more sense to me than this.

BOLLING: What do you think, Dana? You don't like this?

PERINO: That's a good point.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

PERINO: Why do you think I don't like it?

BOLLING, CO-HOST: I don't know --

PERINO: No, I like it. I think it's -- look, I think there are -- it's very difficult to break through the clutter of all the news at the moment and I think it was creative and fun, and this is a different way to break through and get a message across.

BOLLING: Bobby, what about making go bigger or go home.

BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, let me tell you, smoothie. The --


BECKEL: I think it was pretty smooth. Pretty slick. I like it.

Yes, I mean, look, why not? Anything that's different. In politics, you get through the clutter of all this crap. People pay attention to that.

BOLLING: Well-presented.

Dana, do you like this trailer?

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: I wrestled with what to say about it because I know it's hard to create interesting things in politics and usually what happens is it's hokey and not funny. Oh, gosh I probably know the people that did this video. But I guess it's better than what we typically see from --

BOLLING: Yes, we always complain about Republicans are boring.

GUTFELD: Yes, at least they are trying. They're trying.

BOLLING: They're trying.

All right. How about this one?

BECKEL: They got a long way to go.

BOLLING: Next up, Jessie Watters is the head lifeguard in Watters world. A very corky place, indeed. So, when Watters visit, the liberal limits of Vermont whacky thoughts fly high and low. Watch.


JESSIE WATTERS, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Do you think we should be killing terrorist there's so they don't hit us here?


WATTERS: Why not?


WATTERS: It's wrong to kill terrorists.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's wrong to kill anybody.

WATTERS: Even terrorists?


WATTERS: How would you fight the war on terror?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let's be friend. Let's work together.

WATTERS: You want to be friends with al Qaeda?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want the entire world to know that we're all connected.



BOLLING: Ands, you can do what you can do with that one.

TANTAROS: You know, what the administration agrees exactly with this woman. I mean, we sit and we laugh, but it's a similar mindset, right? We have to be nice to them.

My favorite part of this and I have to say this is one of my favorite Watters world, I watched it last night, and just belly laugh, was when he asked some guy about money and the guy said I don't believe in money. He said, where did you get those sunglasses? He goes, my parents gave them to me. He goes, where did they get them? He's like, money.


TANTAROS: Very funny.

BECKEL: First of all, I mean, it's -- I've been to Vermont a lot, and done politics. This is not very representative of Vermont, believe it or not. This woman -- but this is Jesse's genius. He can find people like this and it's like the genius of the producer of this show. It's selective editing and you get yourself a good story.

BOLLING: I don't know. How -- Vermont is pretty liberal.

PERINO: Yes. Well, you know, that was the place where two of the towns, Brattleboro and Marlboro, they actually passed laws in their towns to arrest George W. Bush and Dick Cheney if they ever came to Vermont for war crimes. There's actually law, they passed a law. So, they are -- let me just say about her. The great things about the United States military is that it goes and fights wars so that she can have an innocent mind --

GUTFELD: Stupid.

PERINO: He was probably 8 years old when 9/11 happened, right? It's totally distant. So, I'm going to give her a little bit of a pass.

GUTFELD: That's an interesting point.

PERINO: She's not in charge of the drones.

GUTFELD: Yes, it does -- it reflects a specific group of people that have divorced themselves from the reality that there's good and that there's evil. She believes there's no evil -- if you just talk to somebody, these are the first people to die when the invading hoards arrive, because they'll go to shake the hands of the enemy. The enemy will shoot you because the enemy respects their enemy, but they hate the appeasers. But the appeasers always die first, Bob.

BECKEL: What is wrong with feeling --


GUTFELD: Because it's wrong. That is more dangerous. A pacifist is more dangerous than any enemy because they're happier --

BECKEL: Happier --

BOLLING: I got to get this in. Speaking of happy, that's a perfect segue.

For Pharell's song "Happy" is all the rage this summer. Now, check out Weird Al Yankovic's parody called "Tacky." It's hilarious.


BOLLING: Go ahead, Greg. You don't think --

GUTFELD: Oh, no, the great thing about Weird Al, I'm not a huge fan, but he started off sending the accordion version of "My Sharona," called "My Bologna" to Dr. Demento. And it go huge. And this is a good message for people, that you don't necessarily have to chase your dreams. If you do something you like, people will find you and it became huge by doing that.

If you're a Dr. Demento fan, very Sunday, three hours, you'd have a come and take me away, fish heads, Weird Al, it was a great time to be growing up and listen to the radio.

BOLLING: Yes, he was fantastic.

PERINO: Remember last week when we did, what was the album, the first album that you bought?


PERINO: Not long after the one I bought, I loved "Beat It" when Weird Al did that Michael Jackson cover, I thought it was hilarious.

BOLLING: He's good.

PERINO: I loved it. I don't think that one was very good, though.

BOLLING: He's releasing eight separate videos eight days in a row, Bob. Your thoughts?

BECKEL: I don't know who he is. He reminds me of a guy who was a porn star in a sequence of porn star movies.

PERINO: Oh, yes, I know that guy.

BECKEL: Yes. Do you?


BECKEL: You have never seen a porn movie, haven't you? I didn't think so.

TANTAROS: All I can say is I'm just glad we had Watters world in this block, because it seemed like a really slow news day. C-block equals cheesy.

BOLLING: Coming up, two of the dumbest thing politicians have ever said. Andrew will show you the ridiculous tape, coming up next.


TANTAROS: Well, politicians on both sides of the aisle say some pretty stupid things on occasion. Take former Missouri congressman and Senate candidate, Todd Akin. His comments on rape were a big reason behind his 2012 Senate defeat. Last night, he addressed those comments and showed that he may not have learned from his mistakes.


MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS HOST: What you said that was so controversial was first of all, you said it was very rare to become pregnant from rape, and then you said if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try and shut the whole thing down.


KELLY: Do you believe that today?

AKIN: Well, look, here was the point. The legitimate rape comment was an abbreviation. It is an idea of a legitimate claim of rape.

KELLY: Let's restate it. If it's a legitimate claim of rape, the female body has a way to shut it down. Do you believe that?

AKIN: The word I should have added is quite simply, that stress plays some part in fertility.


TANTAROS: But what about politicians who actually reside in power. Remember when Nancy Pelosi said this after the Hobby Lobby decision?


REP. NANCY PELOSI (D), CALIFORNIA: We should be afraid of this court, that five guys should start determining what contraceptions are legal or not. That court decision was a frightening one that five men should get down the specifics of whether a woman should use a diaphragm and she should pay for it or her boss. It's not her boss's business.


TANTAROS: Last night, Megyn Kelly dismantled the minority leader's claim.


KELLY: And she went so far as to say that, just a couple of quotes, "This is a scary court, we should be afraid of it. The five guys who start determine what contraceptions are legal" -- false. Not true.

Then, she says, "That five men could get down to the specifics of whether a woman should use a diaphragm" -- false. She's blatantly misleading the American people. It follows a narrative, Bill, which is about, sort of this pejorative, small sort of victimization of women. We need be protective from the big bad men who want to hurt us. It's bull.


TANTAROS: OK. So, it prompts the discussion then, Dana, about talking about women's issues as a whole, right? So, you heard Todd Akin. He stuck his foot in his mouth and there have been other instances where, for example, Mike Huckabee made a comment about a woman's libido. And we've said here like, just don't talk about this kind of stuff, like you just end up sticking your foot in your mouth. But when should Republicans talk about it or can they talk about it.

Mitt Romney tried to talk about binders full of women, and he was assailed for basically saying that he wants to bring more women into his administration.

PERINO: They never understood that. Basically, what Romney was saying is he had an old fashion version of LinkedIn. That's what he was asking for. He wanted resumes of women because he wanted to promote more of them.

But the rhetorical overkill to attack somebody on the Republican side, man or woman but usually men, is basically it's like shooting fish in a barrel. It's almost too easy. So, in my opinion, when Nancy Pelosi says it's very frightening, the Supreme Court decision, that men would get that specific, I actually think what's more frightening is that the government got that specific in the first place, at the Department of Human and Health Services actually listed the names of contraceptives that the government was forcing companies to pay for.

I would take it all the way back and I focus on economic issues.

TANTAROS: Well, Greg, she got the wrong law too, because Pelosi said it's none of a business owner's business about birth control, and that's basically what the court said, Ms. Pelosi. What about Republicans talking about women's issues? I mean, Greg, should they stay away from it?

GUTFELD: No. Politicians should talk about whatever they want to talk about. That's how you find out if they are crazy. And then it's our fault, if we put these people out there who are nuts.

And it goes back to my point, you just can't be right. You got to be persuasively right.

I don't know. You know, I want these idiots to go away. Now, it's different for non-libs. Pelosi, and Harry Reid, and Harry Dean, is that his name? No, Dean. What's his --

BECKEL: Howard.

GUTFELD: Howard Dean.

What's his name, the screamer?

PERINO: Howard Dean.

GUTFELD: Joe Biden, Eric Holder, Warren, they all say dishonest, stupid stuff but few people hold them accountable because the press shares their assumptions. But if a non-liberal makes one mistake and one slip up, you're dead. There's no way out. That's why it's so important if you are running as a conservative or libertarian, you can't just be right, you have to be persuasively right. You have to be impeccable.

BECKEL: Greg, this guy Akin said this two years ago.

GUTFELD: I know.

BECKEL: You don't think by the time he got a show like this, somebody should have said to him, you know, you're going to get this question.

GUTFELD: That's my point.

BECKEL: You might figure out a way to answer it in a way that's going to be helpful.

GUTFELD: That is my point. And I don't even know. It's like, I don't know. That's my point.

BECKEL: Republicans keeps stepping in it.


GUTFELD: It's the same guy. Why is he here, I don't know.

TANTAROS: Eric, Democrats make comments about men. Harry Reid says men are going to beat their wives if they don't get jobs. Nancy Pelosi makes comments about five white guys. They can get away talking negatively about men, but no one holds them accountable.

BOLLING: I'm just trying to figure out why he would decide he's going to go on Megyn's show. I mean, really --

GUTFELD: There's a book out. Why are we having him on?


BOLLING: We're having him on because it's good TV. And it probably rated last night. And so, that's why we were doing it. I just can't figure --

PERINO: It probably helped.

BOLLING: It means that much, do you really need to write a book?

PERINO: It probably helps to have Megyn dismantle somebody like that to prevent others from doing the same thing.

BECKEL: Well, there's an awful lot of Republicans like --

PERINO: Oh, please, Bob? Take it back!

BECKEL: No, no, not -- I said there's awful people who have been nominated in these position who have gotten themselves in these position. Remember Nevada?

GUTFELD: Don't you hate when people get themselves in trouble, Bob.

TANTAROS: Bob knows that.

A new mom is the first to be thrown in jail in Tennessee under a new law that made it a crime to do drugs while pregnant. Not everyone is behind this controversial law. Bob's going to tell you why, next.


BECKEL: A Tennessee mom is sitting in jail just days after giving her birth because both she and her newborn tested positive for meth. Twenty-six-year-old Mallory Loyola was charged with assault under a controversial new state law that makes it a crime to take drugs while pregnant.

The ACLU is already vowing to challenge the law, saying it violates the privacy rights of pregnant women and discourages addicts from seeking treatment.

All right. Greg, what do you think?

GUTFELD: Well, I don't know. That's bad, I say, for her to use drugs while having a baby. But you know what? I got say, I've never met a woman in my entire life who initiated her drug habit. It's usually considered to by a guy, usually an older guy. A guy cannot be busted for a crime like this because he's not carrying a baby.

But drugs and alcohol are not the same for men and women. And I think it's a big issue. I think there should be some leniency on women.


PERINO: Well, she is an adult. At some point, the protection of a child and an innocent life, I think that's something we have to be for. So I think that she should be in trouble for it. I hope that there is treatment for it.

But I don't know. I've never done drugs. I don't understand. She said she smoked meth or how you do it, four days before she gave birth. That's -- isn't that -- that's a choice. Maybe she's an addict but she made a decision. And I think she should have to pay for it.

TANTAROS: This is where I think the pro-choice community gets in a little bit trouble.

PERINO: I agree.

TANTAROS: Because they've argued because this -- you know, this isn't a fetus, right? Third-party isn't a fetus. Well, it's a child now who is born addicted to drugs. And they get in the same type of trouble when they argue about partial birth and other things because the progressives don't think this is a problem. If the ACLU would have money well spent they would get these women into treatment rather than equal protection under the law, which to Greg's point is, it doesn't really make sense, because men can't get pregnant.

But I don't think there's any winning argument. I don't think either side wins when they argue this. It's too tough.

BECKEL: Are you sure you want to pass?

BOLLING: No, I could. Look, it's child abuse. That's exactly what it is. What's the difference between abusing a child when it's in the womb right now or when it comes out? If you are feeding drugs to an infant, it would be the same thing. So, I would call that --

BECKEL: I've struggled with this since this topic came up. And I tend to come down on both Greg's -- addicts, a lot of these -- particularly young women who have babies 15, 16, 17 years old are introduced to drugs by pimps and other people who are bad guys and I would not throw them in jail.

However, I think to Dana's point about 26 years old by that time, you know you're aware and if you're going to use methamphetamine, probably the worst thing you can use, even more than crack, it's probably going to be a sure thing is you're going to have a child born who is not well.

PERINO: Can I mention one last thing?


PERINO: So, she said she smoked meth six days before she gave birth. If on that day she had been hit by a drunk driver and she and the baby had been killed, that drunk driver would have been busted for two lives. And - - it's still substance abuse. So, to me, she has to be responsible as well under the law.

TANTAROS: And there should be a carve-out for women who go and seek help.

PERINO: Agree.

BECKEL: "One More Thing" is up next.


PERINO: It's  time now for "One More Thing."

And Eric first.

BOLLING: OK. So, Derek Jeter, the Yankee is retiring this year. But you don't have to be from New York or a baseball lover to appreciate the effect that he's had on America. Take a look at this commercial. Watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Derek Jeter, number 2.




BOLLING: It goes on and on. Spike Lee, Jay-Z, it's just a great commercial. Check it out.

By the way, the all-star game airs tonight, Fox Broadcast Network, 7:30 coverage starts, 8:00 game. It's worthwhile. Check it out.

BECKEL: American League wins.

BOLLING: I'm not taking that bet.

PERINO: I'm glad you reminded me, because I'm going to watch that.

Andrea, you're next.

TANTAROS: OK. An update on what Eric Holder has been doing that you won't hear in the mainstream media. So, the Justice Department has been busy extracting a $7 billion fine from Citigroup. Yes, a group specifically in the company that Jack Lew heading.

Where's Jack Lew now? Oh, he's the treasury secretary. Just an update on that one, that was an administration was going clean up Wall Street. And then this, no investigation on the IRS scandal.

However, the Justice Department, you'll be pleased to know, is investigating a controversy in Nebraska where during a Fourth of July parade, they ran a float that had an outhouse on it saying President Obama presidential library. Eric Holder, lickety-split, investigating with the civil rights investigator what happened there, but still no investigation into the IRS.

Back to priorities, don't you think?

PERINO: Perfect lead into mine, because what else does the government trying to hide from you? A few weeks ago, they did a big document dump about ObamaCare in which the government suggested to insurance companies please don't raise those premiums just yet. And if you lose money, we will bail you out.

That is actually in the document that just came out, first broken by and then, "Los Angeles Times" picks it up. Now, "Forbes."

So, just so that you know, ObamaCare continues to be a bitter pill for most Americans.

BECKEL: Am I next? Because it's a perfect timing on this.

PERINO: Oh, you get to be next.


BECKEL: ObamaCare -- since ObamaCare came into effect, there are 9.5 million people fewer people uninsured in America, and of those who have new insurance, 74 percent find it favorable who are Republicans.


BECKEL: Yes, right. See, you dismissed that. You put that crap out from "Town Hall" and you dismissed.

PERINO: It's not crap. It's in -- I can actually read it, "Los Angeles Times," "Forbes."

BECKEL: It's a legitimate poll. So, people like it. You guys just don't accept --


PERINO: -- people love ObamaCare.

TANTAROS: Bob, you start on the cocktail --

GUTFELD: All right. I have to read my horoscope. So, today tells me, whatever else you do or don't do today, don't let anyone make important financial decisions for you. Also, stop strangling ducks in the park.

PERINO: Does this mean if you're a Virgo, your birthday is coming up.

GUTFELD: That's right, Dana.

PERINO: It's a big birthday, Greg?

GUTFELD: Yes, it's a very big birthday.

PERINO: It's a big birthday. Get ready, folks. It's going to be a huge celebration. Send your presents to Greg.

Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you back here tomorrow.

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