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What would the world be like without America?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 7, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."

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TANTAROS: We hope you had a fantastic weekend celebrating American independence and everything else that makes this country great.

Filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza however worries there's a segment in America driving citizens away from a view of U.S. exceptionalism. He examines this troubling film in his new film "America."

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NARRATOR: How do you convince a great nation to author its own destruction? You start telling a new story.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If you got a business, that -- you didn't build that. Something else made that happened.

NARRATOR: What President Obama is really saying is that the wealth and abundance of American life are not earned. They're stolen. Obama didn't create this movement. It created him.

JEREMIAH WRIGHT, PASTOR: Not "God Bless America," God damn America.

NARRATOR: Incredible as it may seem, there are people in America who want a world without America.

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TANTAROS: On Friday night, D'Souza took to "The Kelly File" to explain why he saw this latest project as necessary.

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DINESH D'SOUZA, FILMMAKER: When I came to America, I was stunned by the abundance of ordinary life. The rich guy live well everywhere. But I was struck by how good the ordinary fellow has it in America.

And then I was also struck by the goodness and idealism of the American people. Even when they fall short, they always want to do better. And then I saw this sort of ferocious, leftist critique of America. Over the years, I see this critique metastasized out of the campus, into Hollywood, into media, and then, now, I think into the corridors of government.

We call it the shaming of America, and attack of America. It's completely wrongheaded.

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TANTAROS: OK. And, Eric, that's exactly how he opens this movie, by piecing together all of these comments, by progressives and those on the left who have taken shots at America. And then he proceeds in this movie to rebut all of those accusations.

Do you think that's why, according to a new poll, fewer Americans say that America is the greatest nation on the Earth, because the left has been apologizing, including our president, for all of the mistakes that she's made?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I think the reason why we saw that poll, I think the reason why a lot of Americans feel it's -- we're not the powerhouse we used to be is because prices have gone up, our wages are going down, middle class is getting squeezed. What Dinesh D'Souza has done, though, he is taking a lot of conservative talking points and put them and compiled them into a movie. And I think that's fantastic.

One of the most -- I haven't seen the movie yet, but one of the most interesting clips that I've heard from the movie is when he outlines how President Obama and the Clintons have somehow a connection to Saul Lewinsky and they're really trying to transform -- fundamentally transform America into a more socialist government. Conservatives have been saying that for the better of six years now and then we're going to possibly end up with eight years of Hillary Clinton.

Boy, if you have a minute, this is the movie. If you're a conservative you want to kind of compile it all together and give succinct talking points unlike this rant right now, that will be the place to do it.

TANTAROS: And, Kimberly, it's been called required material for any parent of a child, make your kids watch this because when they go off to college, they're going to get a very different picture. You know, you hear all these things, we hurt the Indians. We hurt the Native Americans. We did all these things. We wronged the African-American community. A lot of apologizing.

What Dinesh D'Souza does in this movie, he very factually lays out what actually happened here in a very honest way. A lot of kid should be watching this so they are armed with the facts when they go off to college.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Because they're not going to necessarily get it in school, that's for sure -- depending on where they go. Chances are that they're not going to be equipped with the facts like the way that he lays it out. He makes the case, and makes the case for America, for American exceptionalism.

When you think about it, think about if America didn't exist, OK? And we weren't in the picture. We weren't in the game. Then you would have had fascism or communism dominating in Europe.

What would we have now going forward if we didn't have America? Probably an America that looks very much like the way that the Obamas and the Clintons want to transform it, which is radically different. When you think about the values, the goals, the dreams, why all these people, millions and millions of people across the world, their big goal they would love to come to this country for the opportunity, for the type of government that we have. But given the course and direction we are going, it's going to be a radically different America unless there is a course correction. And that's what people have to think about going forward in the mid-term elections, going forward in 2016.

TANTAROS: Greg, on a scale of one to 10, how much do you love Dinesh D'Souza?

GUTFELD: You know, I don't like to use the word love. I don't -- I'm not big in movies like this. I like movies like "Evil Dead" and "Evil Dead 2", maybe some "Die Hard." So, I don't -- I guess what I'm saying, I don't -- I don't go to movies to look for political messages.

However, I do understand that in this day and age, it's not a bad thing because so many of the mainstream movies have liberal assumptions built into them.

So when people go to movies they get the message without even knowing they are getting the message. So, this is kind of like maybe the pendulum swinging. But, it's not -- you know, it's like what Eric said, he's taking what people said and he's putting it in one place, which is helpful. The argument here, though, is that the other side will say criticizing America actually makes you a better patriot, which I would agree if they actually were critiquing the right things.

But often the things that the left critiques are the very things that made this country great, whether it's free markets or the entrepreneurial spirit. These are the things that make America great. But that -- those are the things that people like Dyson doesn't like. And, in fact, the left in a sense always champions things like enforced equality and punitive taxation. They're on the wrong side of everything and they want us to join them, which is why films like this are necessary.

TANTAROS: Juan, do you think Dinesh being from India gives him a bit more credibility as well? I mean, he came to this country. He's an immigrant of this country. But he has a very different take and you can see him with professor Dyson from Georgetown University that Greg just mentioned. Dyson saying, look, I love America too, it's just from a liberal perspective, we should be able to relentlessly critique here. That's the American spirit.

Where Dinesh D'Souza says, as Greg points out, yes, but get your facts straight. And that's why he made this movie, to actually get the facts straight where liberals get them wrong.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I'll tell you, I'm very cynical about this movie. I think it's sort of playing directly to the lowest assumptions about conservatives. Oh, yes, yes, we're going to tell conservatives exactly what they want to hear. Give them a movie and they're going to run it.

I just think, you know, I'm a little bit like Greg and I don't go to movies for political sermons. I notice that in the polls right now, maybe Dinesh D'Souza is a smart guy but the polls say that Republicans are the ones who are losing faith in the country fast. It's still a majority say the country is great and all that, but if you look at the numbers, over the last few years, it's Republicans who are buying off on that, and I think is again just saying to that audience, oh, yes, this is exactly what we've been telling you.

And that business oh, you didn't build it, America built it. I mean, everybody knows that was a bunch of hooey and that was said during the campaign.

GUTFELD: The point is, the only people that will go to see a movie like this are people that already have heard these things. I give D'Souza credit -- Dinesh D'Souza, yes, said it correctly -- for making this film.

However, the challenge is to make something for everybody else. You have to -- you have to infect and infest pop culture. You have to get in there and get to the people who haven't heard any of these messages, and that's what the left is really good at doing. The left is very good at going after people on campuses and using humor to get a --

GUILFOYLE: But how does he get it? I agree with you. But this is the only way he can do about doing it, because the mainstream media is not covering this. You got FOX News or you have independent filmmakers to try and pull it and aggregate it together in the hopes that it's going to reach the right people.

TANTAROS: They are calling him the Michael Moore of the right, which I think doesn't do him really any justice because they are trying to say what you're saying, Greg, is OK, he's just pigeon holed into this one certain area where if you like him, you'll see his movies.

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: If you don't, you won't.

But isn't it important, Eric, that you watch these movies even if you are on the right, so you are educated with the facts if you're out a barbecue and talking to a liberal, say, like this last weekend?

GUILFOYLE: Good point.

BOLLING: And I'm going to agree with Greg. In other words, who's watching -- whoever is going to watch these movies, they already are convinced. You already sold those people.

But the point that you made, I'm not sure who made it, who said, make sure your kids watch it.

TANTAROS: That was me.

BOLLING: That's the point. Get your kids out there. We -- there's three college kids walking across, coming into this studio, three young ladies, college kids that said, we love "The Five." I said, where are you from? From Connecticut. I go, wait a minute, you're young --

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BOLLING: You're young, you're from Connecticut, you're in college and you love "The Five." This kind of show where you have open, honest dialogue, maybe that's what they need.

Maybe we need "The Five" product placement in, I don't know, some of the leftist movies like --

GUILFOYLE: In merchandise?

BOLLING: "Sesame Street" movie.

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TANTAROS: "Sesame Street" movie --

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BOLLING: The three of us getting trouble with --

WILLIAMS: Yes, I could play Goofy. But now, what we need is "The Five" university.

GUILFOYLE: Disney.

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TANTAROS: Juan, while you're talking I want to ask you about this. Of course, over the weekend, in addition to Dinesh's movie, the immigration crisis, boiling over about the direction of our country.

And Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson was trying to answer on whether or not the administration wants to deport these thousands of illegals that are pouring over the border. Here's his response.

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JEH JOHNSON, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: Our message to those who come here illegally -- our border is not open to illegal migration. We're looking at options, added flexibility to deal with the children in particular but in a humanitarian and fair way.

DAVID GREGORY, NBC NEWS: I'm sorry -- I mean, it sounds like a very careful response. Are they going to be deported or not?

JOHNSON: There's a deportation proceeding that's commenced against illegal migrants, including children.

GREGORY: I'm trying to get an answer -- will most of them end up staying in your judgment?

JOHNSON: I think we need to find more efficient, efficient ways to turn this tide around.

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TANTAROS: This is a huge crisis. The mayor of Murrieta, California, you saw that blow up, at the town hall, he came out, he said on Thursday, the administration hasn't called him back. These were Department of Homeland Security buses. He never got the heads they would be dumping them in his district.

In addition to this sound byte, the administration also came out and said we don't consider these illegals to be dangerous, yet there's reports of health issues, scabies, head lice, all these concerns swirling around us, and the administration's response is -- yes, we don't know if we're going to send them back.

What do you say?

WILLIAMS: How could you know? You know, Andrea, they go through deportation --

TANTAROS: What's the policy?

WILLIAMS: They have to go through deportation.

Yes, there should be a policy. I mean, what's going on down there is curious. I think it's a lot like what's been going on Cliven Bundy's farm, where you get people coming from all over and pretending that they belong. They're not even members of that community, and now, they're trying to spark a crisis, a nationwide crisis, when you have a refugee crisis, a human tragedy taking place.

BOLLING: That's not fair. That's not fair to call these refugees. What are they running from? Are they running from some political war that's breaking out?

No. They are running from a crappie economy and they're trying to get to a better economy.

WILLIAMS: No, it's more than that. Yes, economy is big part of it, but it's also that their highest murder rate in the world. It's drug trade.

BOLLING: So, that is not the true definition --

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WILLIAMS: Let have a deportation.

BOLLING: Jeh Johnson seven times was asked, seven times was asked what would you do with these kids, couldn't answer it.

Josh Earnest over the weekend also couldn't answer. Today they come out and go, yes, we're going to send most of them back because they're violating or they're breaking the law.

I got news for you -- what about the other million or so that come across the border? You're going to send them too? They don't.

The Obama administration is so fake on what they're doing with deportation.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yes, they are so fake that they are enforcing 2008 George Bush law that says those children are entitled to a deportation hearing before they are sent back. That's how fake they are, Eric.

BOLLING: We'll send them back.

GUTFELD: What's going down at the border is President Obama's Berlin Wall moment. This is where he sees the border the way Ronald Reagan saw the Berlin Wall. It's a symbol of oppression. It's not a symbol of protection. It must be destroyed. And I'm waiting for him to say, tear down those borders.

We have 140 million people who want to come here. Why is it? Because the world pretty much sucks and the United States doesn't. So, President Obama's solution is to make our country worse so they will be less likely to come.

GUILFOYLE: How clever.

GUTFELD: This is so absurd. We have to threat it with humor. We have to declare a White House happy hour, where everybody descends on the White House and gets drunk on the front lawn and see how they feel about it when you have uninvited guests that show up and you can't do anything about it, because if you overwhelm the White House, they can't arrest everybody. I'll bring the beer.

GUILFOYLE: That's a sit-in.

TANTAROS: This administration is behind all of this. I mean, these are Department of Homeland Security buses, bussing immigrants in to this town. This poor mayor has mayhem on his hands. Then the administration says, well, they're not dangerous.

Well, how do you know? And even if they are not violent criminals, they are dangerous to the balance sheet of that town. How does that town financially survive with that influx?

GUILFOYLE: No, they have every right to be upset and to be outrage, and I don't care if they are from that town or not. If you're a U.S. citizen, you're paying tax, you can show up wherever you want in this country and protest and let your voice be heard, not to turn a blind or an unkind eye, to children that are coming over. Their parents shouldn't be putting them in danger and putting them with these coyotes and they should be using the money to start a business or do something or support their family instead of like risking their lives throwing cash at it.

WILLIAMS: Here's the deal. This is not a grassroots opposition in that town. This is artificial turf. This is an astroturf movements by people who are hating on these immigrants. And let me tell you --

GUILFOYLE: They're not hating on them. That's a misstating it.

WILLIAMS: The mayor's concern was, are these kids going to be treated fairly? Are they going to be treated humanely? You're not hearing that from those protesters.

GUILFOYLE: I don't think it's so great to these kids to be here without their parents. I don't.

WILLIAMS: You asked about the bottom line, that's a federal facility. That's federal dollars pouring into that town benefiting that town.

BOLLING: So what?

WILLIAMS: Federal jobs.

GUILFOYLE: Federal dollars from U.S. citizen, taxpayers.

WILLIAMS: You asked about oh, is this going to be a burden on the town? I answered.

BOLLING: You keep saying, these poor little kids, if they are coming from these dangerous places and they're anywhere between 6 and 18, you don't think they're going to be dangerous, too?

WILLIAMS: No. They are children. They're not drug dealers.

GUILFOYLE: No. Without any parents, without people here hoping that they get their parents here through a loophole.

GUTFELD: Juan, as an expert children are often more dangerous than adults.

WILLIAMS: Is that right?

GUILFOYLE: Oh my gosh!

TANTAROS: All right. Greg's got the final words.

Up next, the mysterious leader of the ISIS terror group steps out of the shadows in what appears to be new video of his first sermon. On this chilling tape, he calls on Muslims around the world, to unite behind an Islamic caliphate in Syria and Iraq. More on that when we return.

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GUILFOYLE: The notoriously secretive head of the ISIS militant Islam group has come out of hiding. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi -- you see that -- as seen for the first time in public, led Friday prayers at an Iraqi mosque as a self-proclaimed Caliph Ibrahim, calling on Muslims to obey him.

The video shows the terror leader declaring victory after restoring the Muslim caliphate in Iraq and in Syria.

All right. I already don't like his name, Andrea. So, that's one of the many things I don't like about this individual. Was it not just a few short weeks ago that we discussed this very topic, saying this was going to be the eventual outcome in the Middle East? Now, no more Iraq, no more Syria, caliphate established.

TANTAROS: And a lot of these generals that are speaking out have said this and have been saying this for a number of months and a number of years, every time President Obama comes out and says, "I'm going to remove troops at this state" and telegraphs exactly the blueprint for what he's going to do, people have said, well, if you do that, it's going to fall. The country is going to fall.

He doesn't seem to care. He doesn't seem to care if they establish a caliphate. And it's not just reading your daily intelligence briefings. It's reading history.

If you study Islam and radical Islam, you will see that this is what they have wanted since the caliphate was broken up a long time ago. This is the entire goal. It was the goal of Osama bin Laden. It's why he said he flew two planes into the World Trade Centers. It's because the caliphate was originally broken up.

Maybe this administration doesn't care. Maybe this administration thinks it's fine if they just build it together. But you've got to study history to understand why they're doing this and anyone who did would have not been blindsided, like they were.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling, out of my --

BOLLING: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: --out of my benevolence --

BOLLING: We made up on Iraq.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but I do need some more chocolates. But I'm going to go, see what you got?

BOLLING: OK. So they declare, ISIS declares an Islamic state and they think they've now caliphate, but when he does things like this, Baghdadi, or big daddy, or whatever heck you want to call this guy, they're going to be in trouble. The Muslim world isn't going to accept this guy who's going to stand up and say, obey me. He's flashing this expensive watch around.

This is not the kind of guy that's going to unite the Muslim world around one Islamic state. Let these SOBs kill themselves or animals, cockroaches, kill `em, kill `em all. Go ahead, kill each other, knock yourselves out.

What we really should be doing is getting Secretary Kerry to Israel right now to make sure this Palestinian/Israeli conflict doesn't blow up and give real radical Muslims an issue in Israel to go attack Israel. Make -- state your ground right there in Israel. Defend that border and say don't even think about it, because that's the one that matters.

GUILFOYLE: So, you like concentrated focus there and you would like to see this play out. You do not feel that we should be making any --

BOLLING: Look at that picture, let them go ahead. Put the guns up. Shoot each other. Knock yourself out.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

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GUILFOYLE: Exactly. If only we can get an exact GPS location on that through the watch next time he goes in to buy another Rolex.

OK, Greg?

GUTFELD: Well, I guess the problem here is familiar one. Lack of a border. There's no respect for borders in this area. Nobody is telling them not to do this. So, they are doing it. I would do it too if I was a crazy person. I would go, hey, let's do it.

Iraq is basically California with more sand and no margaritas. Just call it caliph-fornia. We have a government that is obsessed with Hobby Lobby more than the terror lobby, which is why they didn't see it coming, because the President Obama is for concerned with Sandra Fluke's medicine cabinet than what's going on over there.

And it's important that we have a presence there because this is where they're going to launch the next attacks.

TANTAROS: That's obviously where I said that the West -- ISIS has declared war on the West, an entire Western civilization, and Obama has declared war on the Hobby Lobby.

GUILFOYLE: There you go. Look at the focus.

GUTFELD: If they pretended that ISS was backed by the Koch brothers, that would work.

GUILFOYE: There would be no bomber left unfed to defeat them. Those are your peeps.

All right. So, Juan, just real quick, we're not going to play what General Petraeus said at a speaking event recently. He said, listen, I saw this coming.

If he saw it coming and he worked for the White House, worked for this president, served under him, why did this happen? Why was it allowed to unfold if they had the information and they knew about it and nobody did anything?

WILLIAMS: No, no, they have information. You can see things coming. The question is how do you intervene?

And remember we wanted Iraq to stand on their own. We gave them a military. We gave them military equipment. The question is, could that military sustain a response? And as you see they've fallen.

That's not America's fault. You can't just around blaming us for everything.

GUILFOYLE: We're not blaming America. I'm asking about, what they chose to do or chose not to do base on immigration they had at the time?

WILLIAMS: No. What we have chosen to do is we helped them to no end, but gosh, we're not in the nation-building business any more, and I don't think most Americans think that we should be there permanently.

But I will tell you this. I am stunned that this guy standing in a mosque in Mosul giving a speech on a Friday afternoon, without understanding that he can be droned, shot, killed at an instant by his many enemies. So, that guy is pretty secure and that's alarming to me. I just don't understand it. I understand he's ripping off the banks.

TANTAROS: This Ramadan, he knew during Ramadan they were going to spike the football.

WILLIAMS: No, this guy was also been a reclusive leader, Andrea. You know, he's always like he's the tough guy. He's been hidden. You only see the shady picture of him.

GUILFOYLE: Not worried now.

WILLIAMS: Not anymore.

TANTAROS: Well, but they're emboldened, Juan. They are on the march.

WILLIAMS: Yes. Well, someone should take him out.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, call a friend. Phone a friend, Juan.

Directly ahead, a deadly wave of violence erupted over the July 4th weekend, turning the streets of Chicago into a war zone. The latest on the Windy City gangland, next on "The Five."

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BOLLING: Chicago had a bloody weekend again this past Fourth of July. According to "The Chicago Tribune" -- 82 shootings, 14 dead for the long weekend, and that is truly amazing. Folks, I'm profoundly sadden by the war zone Chicago has become.

I grew up in the city of Chicago. I remember being able to leave our front door unlocked to go a park day or night and I never ever felt unsafe. But that was many years ago. Since then, Chicago has elected a series of liberal Democrat mayors, councilmen, and city bosses who pushed for tougher and tougher gun laws in that city. Coincidence, not a chance.

Here's mayor -- here's how Mayor Rahm Emanuel, liberal and former Obama adviser, sums it up. He says, quote, "The number of shootings and murders that took place over the holiday weekend is simply unacceptable. The solution does not just include policing. This violence is unacceptable wherever it occurs in our city, and all of us need to take a stand. The only way we will meet this challenge to our future is to join with one another and create a," quote, "partnership for peace."

K.G., let's talk about this for a second.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: The Daily Beast really, really nailed it. They called it "Chi-raq."

GUILFOYLE: It's really sad and terrible, because actually, I've learned that Chicago's the only good place with single men left, so they really should do something to clean it up.

But on a serious note, as a prosecutor, this is not acceptable. Chicago used to be...

GUTFELD: ... argument to end violence.

TANTAROS: And where did you get the stat?

GUILFOYLE: You told me that. But then Genevieve said it. That's the reason I know.

But besides that being unbelievable, as a prosecutor, Chicago. OK. This is a town that Obama built, and then he left his buddy in charge and now his buddy got as poll numbers as he does. And everybody is dying, and the liberals aren't doing anything about it.

BOLLING: Greg, on a sub note, though, there be may have been four more deaths in Chicago but a military person -- member walked out of a party with three other people and was confronted by someone. There was an argument. The guy went back in his room -- his apartment, pulled out a gun, and the military guy said, "No way," and he shot him back. So we may have more. Is it time to rethink the gun laws in Chicago?

Violence in Chicago is so bad that the parents are thinking about sending their kids to the border.

What do we know reduces gun crime? Enforcing existing gun laws, putting violators behind bars and keeping them there. A lot of these people that get out and they commit crimes aren't supposed to be on the street. It's not the guns; it's the judges. They've got to enforce these laws.

GUILFOYLE: They're not.

GUTFELD: And they're not. And I think, you know, the one thing I've got to say about Chicago: this still is -- I mean, I think, the lowest murder rate they've had in decades. A lot of it has to do with the fact that they started getting really bad press. When we started covering it -- I don't know -- months ago, a year ago, two years ago...

BOLLING: Two years ago. They had 500 or so murders.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Last year, it dropped down to the fours. This year, you're right: it's on schedule to be even less.

GUTFELD: Yes, yes. But they got people from New York to come and help them out. I mean, they looked at what New York was doing.

TANTAROS: These stats are all misleading. So they love to go out and tout how the murder rate has gone down. The Chicago superintendent, police superintendent, Gary McCarthy, on Friday was on local Chicago FOX saying yes the murder rate has gone down. But here's why these guys are full of B.S. OK, they keep fudging the numbers.

They're not counting the murder rate. They are counting, I should say they're talking about homicides. But they're not talking about shooting incidents. So what they're saying is Chicago, if you look at the stats, "The Chicago Tribune" says there's been over 1,100 people shot, shooting victims. Health care has gotten so much better that they can go to the hospitals...

GUILFOYLE: And live.

TANTAROS: And they can live. So oftentimes you'll hear people say, "Well, we've only had 14 people murdered, but 82 were actually shot and killed."

The big thing, though, here is in Chicago they keep talking about homicides, homicides. You have 171 versus 180 murders. That's not exactly something, one, to pat yourself on the back about and two, it's good because, what, the shooters are missing their target?

GUILFOYLE: Filled with bad shooters.

BOLLING: I want to get to a really important question. Can I just point one thing out? In Chicago the murder rate is down. But it's down to a number around 13 or 14 per 100,000, and that's almost double the national average.

WILLIAMS: All right. Let me say this. No, no, no. I want to tell you -- let me -- I'm going to tell you. I was going to say this.

Look, you know, I mean, what you're talking about here is young black and Hispanic men. And what you're talking about is where is the NAACP marching in the street about this issue?

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

WILLIAMS: Where are the churches? Where are the black churches?

You know, this is about drugs and drug dealers and attitude and a community that is just imploding, and yet nobody wants to call it out. And I would say where's Sharpton, where is Jackson? You don't see them on this issue.

And I disagree with you about the guns. You know, I live in the middle of Washington, D.C. The biggest threat to my life: guns. Guns held by these gangbangers who are walking down -- let me just tell you something. These punks have easy access...

BOLLING: Well, then you're at risk of dying at the end of a gun will go down if you own one.

WILLIAMS: It's these punks with guns that threaten my life, Eric. I don't think it's good to have guns in every corner of the society, walking into the Starbucks.

GUTFELD: Gun control -- gun control does not stop gangs from getting guns.

WILLIAMS: Sure doesn't. Because each state has easy access to guns. In Virginia they're peddling guns out the back of their trucks.

TANTAROS: But they're sugarcoating the real statistics. They're not saying -- they're calling them accidental shootings. They're not being honest about the murder rate.

GUILFOYLE: They're fudging that.

TANTAROS: ... by the FBI, by the way. So if they're giving them fraudulent data, Eric, to run this P.R. campaign to make them look better, they're actually ignoring what Juan said is the problem even more. They're not being honest about its actual shooting incidents.

WILLIAMS: Correct.

GUILFOYLE: They're perpetuating a fraud on the people of Chicago by trying to act like they're doing their jobs, and they really aren't. Because if you look at the numbers, it clearly shows that they're not doing responsible government there. They're not approaching crime in the right way. And guess what? You have those people walking around with a bunch of bullet holes in them. That's progress?

BOLLING: We've got to go. We've got to go.

Up next, what would you pay for an unmade bed with stained sheets, empty booze bottles and dirty slippers? You're not going to believe how much this piece of art so-called sold for at auction. Find out when "The Five" returns.

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GUTFELD: Her unmade bed made a lot of bread. Tracey Emin's sculpture titled "My Bed" comes with dirty sheets, cigarette butts and underwear. This week it sold for $4.25 million in London.

The piece reflects Emin's bout with depression. And the buyer so remains anonymous, as one should after purchasing a soiled mattress for the price of a Malibu beach house.

It raises some questions. Is this art? And if so, what about Kimberly's discarded eyelashes, Andrea's shoes or Eric's freshly plucked chest hair? I mean, if this is art, aren't we all?

But if someone paid 4 million for that, wouldn't someone pay even more? There are no limits to the desire to be cool among the wealthy and insecure. So in five years the price tag will surely double. Sorry, William Devane. This is better than silver.

Sadly, I realized we're in the wrong profession, so today I decided to become an artist. Here's my first creation. I call it Greg's Dirty Bag of Relentless Horror. It's actually my laundry, but it could also be a symbol of man's callous disregard for our planet and our own inhumanity toward our fellow man. Starting bid begins at 1,000 bucks, suitable for hanging. And sniffing.

BOLLING: Two thousand.

GUILFOYLE: Is that a Chicago T-shirt in there?

GUTFELD: By the way, these are all clean, so if anybody wants them, they can have them.

GUILFOYLE: You've ruined the art installation now.

GUTFELD: All right.

Andrea, is this worth 4 million? Actually, why can't -- that's the free market. By the way, I said dollars. It's pounds.

BOLLING: Get out of here.

GUTFELD: No, I think it's pounds. Four million pounds.

TANTAROS: Still a lot of dough for a stinky soiled bed.

GUTFELD: Yes, it is.

TANTAROS: However, I was very encouraged by this story, I have to say, Greg. I don't think there's anything wrong with this, and it makes me feel good that, if this whole TV thing doesn't work out for you, I can just stick some underpants, whatever, some cigarette butts and sell my own bed. What do you think I could get?

GUTFELD: Oh, yes.

TANTAROS: A lot of stalkers. Doesn't that make you feel good, Kimberly? What could they get for your bed?

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: I was wondering where this segment goes.

GUTFELD: I'm trying to stay on how art is in the eye of the beholder, and often the beholder is just a pretentious idiot -- Eric. Let's try and explore that theme.

BOLLING: Pretentious idiot, Eric. Is that where we ultimately -- look, great. Great. Six million dollars if you translate it from pounds. Fantastic. I'm all for people paying for -- I would never do it. I think it's foolish. They're idiots for doing it. But thank God there's enough money slushing around so someone can waste...

GUILFOYLE: People will buy it. People will pay for things, let me tell you.

WILLIAMS: This is what's amazing to me, is this was created in 1998. She just didn't do this yesterday.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: So the value has actually gone up and up and up.

GUTFELD: Yes, and it will.

WILLIAMS: And, you know what? As he says, it's about a short story, basically. It's about her depression...

GUTFELD: Right.

WILLIAMS: ... and you've got the cigarettes and the condoms and then the stains on the sheets. You go on and on. So to me, if you want to sort of frame it as a story, I can see it, but, you know, I can't believe anybody paid real money.

GUTFELD: I have to say, Kimberly, I do support her for the fact that she took, you know, her illness and she was able to translate into art which made a lot of money. So maybe we can just...

GUILFOYLE: Fine. I can stop using Mimi's dry cleaners, too, if anybody's into that, and I'll just pick it up every Wednesday. Blue bag.

BOLLING: Was she still depressed afterwards?

TANTAROS: Not after that money. She's not depressed now.

WILLIAMS: She did an art there where she had everybody she slept with or thought about sleeping with on the inside of a tent. GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: And that was selling. But guess what?

GUTFELD: What?

WILLIAMS: It got burned down in a fire.

TANTAROS: How big was the tent?

WILLIAMS: How big was the tent?

TANTAROS: I'm just getting ideas. I'm just creatively brainstorming here.

WILLIAMS: I see.

GUTFELD: All right. Coming up NBC's Bob Costas slams his own network's coverage of the Donald Sterling controversy. You'll hear the outspoken sportscaster's remarks on racism and political correctness after the break. Don't go away.

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WILLIAMS: We've had a crisis on this set. But you'll fix it. I'm sure we'll be OK.

NBC sportscaster Bob Costas isn't shy. He's speaking out, speaking his mind when it comes to controversial topics from sports to politics and well beyond. While discussing the fall-out from banned L.A. Clippers owner Donald Sterling's controversial racial remarks, Costas noted some of the failings from people at his own network.

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BOB COSTAS, NBC SPORTSCASTER: Who doesn't think that what Donald Sterling said and what his record reveals about him is unacceptable? So that was an easy one.

When people say, "Well, this is an opportunity to open up a dialogue on race." Here is where I think some people that work in this building ought to step up and say, "You know what? That's a bunch of politically correct B.S."

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WILLIAMS: Go, Bob Costas. You know what? Because he then goes on to make it clear that a lot of the problems in the black community are not directly tied to any kind of white racism but problems, as we were talking about in the previous segment in Chicago, problems in the black community that the black community needs to deal with themselves. Imagine that.

So this comes from Bob Costas, and now people are saying, oh, Bob Costas went over the line, Bob Costas -- Let me ask Andrea. Did Bob Costas say anything that was crazy there?

TANTAROS: No, I mean, I don't think so. Unless you're -- unless you're a race baiter.

But I want to ask you, Juan: Did you think the Donald Sterling incident, do you think that that really was an opportunity for -- because I didn't hear a lot of the Al Sharptons pouring out, talking about white racism at that moment. It seemed to be a pretty collective moment where you could look around and say, "Wow, we have moved past racism," because everybody was commenting how disgusting that guy was.

WILLIAMS: Right. But Costas said that was easy pickings. That's low fruit. That's low fruit. Because I mean, it was so outrageous: Don't bring your black friends to an NBA game. I mean, how silly is that, right? That was stupid. So obviously, this guy had some problems.

But when you start talking about bigger issues like the shootings in Chicago in the black community, Hispanic community, among poor black people, when you start talking about the schools -- I wrote a book about this, and people, they just want to jump and they just want to react and just curse you out, you know. When Bill Cosby says something like this, they curse you out. Colin Powell. Anybody says, "You know what? There's a problem. We need to deal with it before you start pointing fingers." Yes, there's a historical reality, but there's a big difference between always pointing at structural issues and taking some personal responsibility. And that's where people get in trouble.

So I don't know. Gregory, I'm sure you're going to mock this, but that's the way I feel.

GUTFELD: No. I think the -- by the way, what's up with Costas? He's becoming a feisty little guy.

GUILFOYLE: I know somebody like that.

GUTFELD: He yelled at me in the green room about a couple of months ago, because I got something wrong about him. That was something about football head injuries. He was right, by the way.

But anyway, he's talking about a greater issue where words become mistaken for deeds, which scares people. From saying speaking their minds. People won't speak their mind for fear of being called racist. And it's the biggest affront to modern thought, is that people can now assume your intent or misconstrue your intent without actually knowing what you're thinking. So everybody is now a mind reader, and they can say, oh, when you're talking about poverty you're saying blacks are inferior. Or when you talk about crime, when you talk about gangs, you're saying blacks are violent. So people can misconstrue your beliefs. And that causes people to shut up. But I think that's part of the -- part of the thing he was getting at. But I could be wrong, and he will let me know.

WILLIAMS: No, you know what I thought was brave. It's not that he's just speaking out but that he pointed a finger at NBC.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: And said, hey, the liberal thing here is actually, you know, some kind of political correctness...

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: ... stopping real conversation on a major American network about a real problem. Wouldn't you agree?

BOLLING: I want to know how his eye is. Is it much better now?

WILLIAMS: What are you talking -- his eye?

BOLLING: Remember in the Olympics?

WILLIAMS: Yes, yes. Jeez Louise.

BOLLING: Would it just be a terrible thing if Bob would just stick to sports? Wouldn't that just be OK?

WILLIAMS: You mean you're bothered by the fact the man speaks out?

BOLLING: You remember a year and a half ago, two years ago, he was getting involved. There was some violence in the NFL with guns, and he got involved. And he started to do this Second Amendment rant on a Sunday night...

GUILFOYLE: He's doing it now.

BOLLING: ... in halftime football, the football game. All we want to do is, "Hey, Bob, tell us what's going on on the football field." We don't need Bob Costas's opinion on guns nor what's going on in the black community. Tell us about what's...

GUILFOYLE: No, he's the new Bill Maher.

BOLLING: Bob is?

GUILFOYLE: Without a show. Yes. I mean, that's the thing. Meaning this is his thing. He wants to, like, speak out, maybe, at this point in his life. Obviously, he's very popular and, yes, he gets air time. But he likes to get out there and talk about these things, and he kind of shot in the tent over at NBC and MSNBC, calling them out. So -- but you know what? At least he was honest.

Some say he's an example of someone doing exactly what he's criticizing, right? So as Eric points out, he injected his political beliefs about guns that someone would say maybe that wasn't the issue, what Costas points out. And he's distracting.

WILLIAMS: I thought...

TANTAROS: He's guilty.

WILLIAMS: I thought he stepped up big time. Go, Bob, go.

"One More Thing" coming up next. Stay with us.

GUILFOYLE: All right, I'll stay with you.

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TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- K.G.

GUILFOYLE: Da-da-daaa! Ladies and gentlemen, the wait is over. Everything you've been dreaming about, hoping for, for almost all your life, or at least the last decade, are Garth Brooks on Thursday is going to make an announcement. And it's either going to be that he is going on a world tour -- and he gave a hint about that -- or a new album or both. So get ready.

BOLLING: You sold that, K.G.

GUILFOYLE: And you can watch it right here so that America can feast their eyes on "The Five" table with Garth Brooks on it.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh.

GUILFOYLE: How's that, Josh?

Very exciting. Everyone is excited. He's been sort of on retirement until his daughters are going to be in college. Now it's happening, 2014, people.

WILLIAMS: You're making excuses for being so (UNINTELLIGIBLE) a cynic.

All right. Here we go. Let me tell you. Usually we don't agree with much, at least I don't, with other members of "The Five." But here's something we agree on, something totally sweet. It's National Ice Cream Month, July. And these are pictures of my grandkids enjoying ice cream on the Fourth of July. That's Pepper, Eli and Wesley doing it up, getting ice cream everywhere, as you can well see. Too much ice cream.

And by the way, let me tell you, you know what? They did a study, and they found out -- that's Raffi, my son -- they found that people really don't like bacon ice cream, licorice ice cream, garlic ice cream, horseradish ice cream and the very worst, how about something called Cold Sweat, which is pepper in your ice cream.

GUTFELD: Juan -- Juan...

GUILFOYLE: You love ice cream.

GUTFELD: There's nothing -- there's nothing grosser than children with sticky ice cream hands.

WILLIAMS: They got it all over me, Greg. All over me, Greg.

GUTFELD: It makes me sick.

GUILFOYLE: You don't want to see me eat ice cream.

BOLLING: Unless it's your own children or your grandchildren.

GUTFELD: No, it's not.

BOLLING: OK. Some quick pictures. Maybe a little video of an amazing day. I took my son to the Grand Canyon. We went hiking. We hiked to an altitude of 6,000 feet. If you have a teen, this is a great, great way to reconnect: no cell phones, no distractions, no lines, no waiting for rides, et cetera, et cetera.

And if you're ever questioning your belief in who created the earth, go take someone to a national park and go hike one of these. They're absolutely amazing. You will absolutely be convinced. Grand Canyon, Big Ben in Texas or Rocky Mountain in Colorado. Fantastic.

GUILFOYLE: Nice shot.

BOLLING: Very quickly. There he is right there. I tell him to wave. He gives me a little wave. And over the side, 6,000 feet down, straight down. Amazing.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. So scary.

TANTAROS: G.G.

GUTFELD: Gee whiz. You know -- you know when you have to fly coach and you're only allowed one carry on? This was hers. Look at that. That's the greatest picture ever. Look at that. That is how tiny Dana.

GUILFOYLE: That's worthy of a calendar.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: He's a good boy.

GUTFELD: It's ridiculous.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh.

GUTFELD: I can't believe I did a Jasper picture. What's wrong with me? I think I hit my head.

TANTAROS: Here's an interesting statistic. If you're watching the World Cup, a lot focus on their moves on the field. But off the field, the four teams that band the horizontal hula. Yes, that's right, the body Congress, the moves off the field. Porter said keep it classy. I'm trying.

Russia, Bosnia, Chile did not advance. Why? Because they weren't allowed to, you know, do it. That's according to a new study.

Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you back here tomorrow.

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