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Citizens vent anger over transfers of illegal immigrants

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 3, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock here in New York City, and this is "The Five."

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BOLLING: Thousands of illegals are swamping our southern border, at times 200, 300 rush the border patrol, just to see refuge in America, and thousands more are being bussed in. The situation is beginning to deteriorate.

House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Michael McCaul says it's
really, really bad down there. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. MICHAEL MCCAUL (R-TX), HOUSE HOMELAND SECURITY CMTE CHMN: The point is, our military bases are turning into refugee camps. I never thought I would see this in the United States of America. The Department of Homeland Security is currently not adequately prepared to deal with this influx of unaccompanied children. This has left state and local officials to fill the void. It takes the border patrol away from their main mission
and that is securing the border.

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BOLLING: Well, don't take one congressman's word for it. Here's hundreds of American citizens fired up at a town hall meeting in Murrieta, California, where a tsunami of illegals is swamping their small town.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have a handle on what this is costing us out of our pockets? And please use the word illegal aliens. They came across here illegally.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If I break the law, you're going to come down on me real quick. And yet, you are not following the laws. You are breaking
the laws.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You'll receive our gratitude in not being removed from offices. When you prove your ability to stay on this front line until
this singularly important issue is completely, comprehensively resolved.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right. Greg, take it first. These people are fired up.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, they should be. This is the result of years of frustration. This is when common sense when it's ignored becomes wrath. It makes you think, you know, we should declare this a liberal day, where you walk into their house, you open the fridge -- how would Nancy Pelosi feel if a group of Texans barge into her house, she would shoot them with her Botox gun. What if Americans did this to Mexico? What would happen?

We know what happened to one jailed marine, Andrew Tahmooressi, he's still there.

So, when they come here, when undocumented aliens come here, they get a welcome wagon. Over there, they get -- we get a jail cell.

BOLLING: What do you think, Dana? That people -- it seems to be a
groundswell. People are getting more and more angry.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I -- Americans are fairly patient and understand that their government has a lot on its plate and they are willing to take a lot and forgive a lot of things. But this has been building up for so many years. And I am not exactly sure what the solution is, but you can't -- all the other things that people at this table, people around the country might want to do on immigration, are not going to be possible until the security situation is resolved.

I don't know exactly what that exact definition is going to be. Like what does border enforcement and control, what will they accept, what should we accept? I think that the humanitarian crisis that's building on top of that is escalating this to a point that you'll see more of these type of town hall meetings. And it won't just be in California, it will be
across America -- well, and in the border states.

BOLLING: You know, President Obama keeps saying it's these kids, seeking refuge, whatnot. You know, these kids are now carrying a lot of disease and a lot of crime is coming into the country. And that's going to
be a big issue.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, first of all, it's not a liberal or conservative issue. This is something that's been going on for a long time.

The reason you're seeing the influx now is in both Nicaragua and El Salvador, they're having major gang problems. Kids are getting killed.
Mothers and fathers are shipping their kids out to the United States because they want to get them out of harm's way.

So, this is an unusually large group coming over, and they are kids.
I think the small percentage of them are criminals. The fact is, they're not coming in and being welcomed, they're being shut into detention until they figure out what to do with them.

So, I think this is not something, that's not a liberal, a
conservative issue. It's something that we need to deal with.

BOLLING: Would you agree with that?

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: I don't. It's easy to say it's not a liberal or conservative issue when you say who does this affect? Because you look at the audience at the town hall, almost every demographic is represented. So, you had an African-American man who looks younger, you had a senior citizen female who stood up and took the microphone who's older. It's affecting everyone in these communities, regardless of what political affiliation.

But it is a Republican and Democrat issue. And the reason for that is, Eric, this administration, a Democratic administration told us that the border was secure. Jay Carney stood at the podium and he said, the border is sealed. There's no reason we need to spend a lot of time on a comprehensive immigration bill.

You look at Capitol Hill. You look at this town.

The mayor came out and he said, you know, I'm getting flak because I'm being painted as someone who doesn't want immigration. People in the town are being painted as xenophobic, were bigots. We don't want them here. He goes, that's not the case.

That's why it's a Republican and Democrat issue, because Democrats have allowed this to happen. The administration has allowed it to happen.
The Republicans just want to seal the border are painted as complete
isolationist bigots.

BOLLING: Who gets hurt the worst when 90,000 illegal youngsters come in, and maybe 3 million of their parents?

GUTFELD: I think it's lower income people. They're the ones that will -- won't get those jobs. I mean, you could argue a lot of people weren't willing to take those jobs. But it's -- the idea, I guess, that the -- a violation of security somehow negates the concept of security.
It's like, we've got to let these guys in, so we can't even talk about it.

No, that's the whole point, you got to re -- this reinforces the idea.

BECKEL: We don't let them in. We try to keep them out.

GUTFELD: I mean, when somebody breaks into your house, you don't say,
oh. You buy a better lock.

BECKEL: No, you're right. But, you know, the other thing about this, there are 11 million undocumented workers in this country before Barack Obama ever took office. Now, that means they came in on somebody else's
watch. I mean, you can't lay this on him.

BOLLING: We're talking about the new ones, bob.

BECKEL: I just told you what I thought it was. It's unrest in two
countries.

BOLLING: The liberal agenda, the liberal ideologies, you're for the little guy, right? You want to make sure the little guy's taken care of, too, right? The underprivileged, the people who don't make enough money, health care.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I just want to know, if I'm going to answer that yes or no --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: We're asking you that, it's because we point out, these kids, if they're allowed to stay, these illegals if they're allowed to stay, they're not going -- they're going to be the ones working at Starbucks and Dunkin' Donuts and Jack in the Box. They're not going to be the ones --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: These kids are going to be allowed off these bases and to go out to work? Is that what you think? You really believe that?

BOLLING: The question is, doesn't it -- illegal immigration, turning a blind eye, hurt the little guy?

BECKEL: If these people were allowed to stay in here, and they're not going to be allowed.

TANTAROS: Bob, that's assuming -- so you're basically saying there's no immigrants right now working in those jobs.

BECKEL: Of course there are. They're working in a lot of jobs, that
frankly, Americans don't want to do.

TANTAROS: So, Eric's question is, doesn't that -- and I would agree with that. But doesn't it hurt -- Greg mentioned this, too -- the lower income, they're taking away the services from the lower incomes. It's that
1 percent that you hate on the left so much that's paying for these
services.

BECKEL: These kids, average age of these kids are 9 years old. Where are they going to go -- to work in McDonald's? It'd be a pretty lousy hamburger.

TANTAROS: So, even worse, there'll be sex trafficked and then they're be our problem. We have to worry about their health, their vaccinations.
Where are they going to go to school in the fall?

BECKEL: What is your answer?

TANTAROS: Where?

BECKEL: What would you do --

TANTAROS: I'm going to do a Beckel. Where are they going to go to school in the fall? Since the president has said that they're allowed to stay under executive order --

BECKEL: No, he did not say they're allowed to stay here. That's wrong. Not these groups. He did give, say -- no, no, he did give 800,000 who had been either in the service or in school the right to stay here.

TANTAROS: That's why they're coming here.

BECKEL: No, that's not why they're coming here. It's because you've
got almost civil war in El Salvador and Nicaragua.

BOLLING: Bob, there are a lot of bad places around the world. Should we take all the children from all the places where stuff is going on?

BECKEL: No, I'm not suggesting that. I'm not suggesting you take these kids. But what are you going to -- I want to know what your answers are.

BOLLING: You send back.

All right. A couple hours ago, Texas Governor Rick Perry testified to a congressional panel on the crisis at the border. President Obama is set to visit Texas next week, but will only be there for a fund-raiser.
Governor Perry finds that shocking.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. RICK PERRY (R), TEXAS: One of the reasons I asked him to come here, I want him to see this. Just like you, Congressman, I think if he walked in that Sallyport (ph), and he saw what all of you have seen, then he would realize that this is bigger than politics, this is bigger than --
but it's not bigger than America.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: It's not bigger than the bull --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Let's get Dana.

Dana --

PERINO: OK. I think a couple of things. I think that President Obama, they are going to have an official event there in addition to the fund-raisers. You don't know what came first, the chicken or the egg, in that case.

And I think the White House is playing this wrong. I think I would have -- if I were putting myself in President Obama's shoes, I think I would have accepted the invitation and taken that Rick Perry who seems genuine and sincere and gone to the border with him and said, you know what, governor, I'm going to count on you, let's fix this together, because if they're serious about solving the problem, they're going to have to have people like Governor Perry to help them. If I were President Obama, I would go -- or even if they don't want to accept it right now, they should sleep on it, think about it over the weekend and next week, I would go with them.

BECKEL: Where, by the way -- Rick Perry, (INAUDIBLE), first of all, he didn't invite Obama. His decision made before, he wouldn't accept an
invitation of this dude.

PERINO: Why? He's the governor.

BECKEL: Yes. But I mean, governors are more qualified, especially in a border state.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: This guy -- I just don't believe this guy's qualified. But here's my question, why don't they send the Texas Rangers and Texas state police down there?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: You know who's doing that right now? Saudi Arabia's doing that on their border because of Iraq. If you want to -- you don't need a time machine to see where stuff like this is headed when you suddenly sacrifice borders for feelings.

Obama's response, so far, has always been, we're a nation of immigrants, which may be the most intellectually vapid comment you can make because it justifies almost any arrival. It justifies any arrival. Hell, the 9/11 hijackers could have been immigrating.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Why do we allow Cubans to come in here if they come -- if they get to the United States, why do we allow them to become legal?

GUTFELD: Who?

BECKEL: Cubans.

GUTFELD: Cubans? Well, maybe because -- maybe there's an orderly process that they undertook. Maybe they filled out the paperwork. Maybe they got a lawyer, and did what a lot of people I know did.

BECKEL: There was a law that was passed that said if Cubans put their
foot on dry land, they're allowed to stay here because of Castro.

GUTFELD: Why does the left make Elian Gonzalez? Why did the left make Elian Gonzalez go back?

TANTAROS: Yes, that is a great point. What if all the kids were all Elian Gonzalez, then what?

GUTFELD: He was a child. Now, he's a communist.

TANTAROS: Would we send them right back?

BECKEL: You know, surprising about Texas, Texas was just fine? When George Bush was governor down there, they didn't have a problem.

PERINO: I don't think that's exactly -- I think the president as governor was very supportive of the temporary worker program, which worked very well.

BECKEL: Right, exactly.

PERINO: He thought, and a lot of people disagreed with him, but he thought a national program like that would make sense so that if families wanted to come here and work and send money back so that kids could go to school, that's another thing.

I heard an interesting statistic today, though. In Honduras, which is the murder capital of the world, they graduate about 37 percent of their young people from high school. So, you have, what, do the math for me, 67 percent of people growing up, and they're in the murder capital of the world. They have no hope, they have no jobs.

And so, what I don't understand there's a short-term problem of fixing the border now. But how do you explain to the families in Murrieta, California, that there's 52,000 kids here now, how do you stop -- how do we know there's not going to be 52,000 --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: What do you say to the Honduran father and mother about their kid's been shot and they want to get them out of harm's way?

PERINO: I understand. That's why I'm saying --

GUTFELD: What about their grandparents? They should come, too.

PERINO: They will.

BOLLING: So, every country who has -- you know, political turmoil -- it's not even political.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: It is an example of the United States always ignoring Latin America, and not focusing enough attention. Do you remember when President Obama said we're going to turn away from the Middle East and we're going to pivot to Asia?

BECKEL: Right.

PERINO: Again, you bypass the people who are on your border, which is probably the country that you should have been working with, because
they're your best trading partner.

BECKEL: Absolutely.

TANTAROS: I was going to say, well, there were a lot of trade bills that Democrats were against.

PERINO: Colombia free trade agreement.

TANTAROS: A lot of trade bills that the unions were vehemently opposing.

And so, here's the thing, too. A lot of Republicans are in favor of legal immigration. They get painted as otherwise.

And I get you, Bob. I think there's a lot of jobs in the country, we rely on immigrants. Both parties have to come together on this. But the fact that this administration has denied that there even is a problem makes
it very difficult.

BECKEL: Oh, I don't think they denied it's a problem.

TANTAROS: And why don't we take the 300 military advisers that we're sending over to Iraq and maybe put them on the border? I would be for
that.

BECKEL: I wouldn't have a problem with that. You know, I just don't understand how you could possibly sit here and lay this at the feet of Barack Obama when you've got an extraordinary situation happening in three countries. You're right about Central America, nobody's paid attention to it. They should have.

After the oligarch of United States big corporations owned and bought and sold --

TANTAROS: He has incentivized this, Bob. He has incentivized this and if you look at the immigration bill that Republicans and Democrats crafted, I'll give you that, but it was led by Schumer and the Democrats, it rewards bad behavior.

You can commit crimes and get legal status, something that a lot of us would --

BOLLLING: Allow me, may I get this in? Bob and I had a little back and forth yesterday about President Obama's claim that he has deported more than any president at any given time. Here are the real deportation numbers. When you include the court ordered returns, plus removals that border agents can do, that border agents can do in the field, here's where it comes down, to President Clinton had 1.5 million per year, President Bush had 1.3 million per year, president Obama has a meek -- a feeble
800,000 per year.

So --

(AUDIO GAP)

BECKEL: -- cross the border.

BOLLING: But President Obama's doing that. He's stopping people at the border and counting them as court order.

BECKEL: Here's another thought. You know, they were in the -- both of them were this for eight years. He's only in for six.

PERINO: Per year!

BECKEL: Per year?

BOLLING: Per year.

BECKEL: I don't buy that for a second.

GUTFELD: Can I agree -- Bob, you have to agree. We are pro- immigration. I loved immigration. The more the merrier. All we want is an orderly process.

PERINO: Our spouses wouldn't be here without legal immigration.

GUTFELD: Yes, I married an immigrant.

I mean, you've got to have a process. People got to wait in line.
You can't be a citizen without a border. That's it.

BOLLING: We've got to leave it there. Susan's yelling at me.

Ahead on "The Five," we're going to update on the very serious storm gaining steam over the Atlantic. Hurricane Arthur is a category 1, on its way to becoming a category 2 very soon.

So stay tuned. That much more, coming up.

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JANICE DEAN, FOX NEWS METEOROLOGIST: I'm meteorologist Janice Dean live from the FOX News extreme weather center, watching Hurricane Arthur.

Satellite presentation on the storm is incredible. So, we are at a category 1. But based on the satellite presentation, I would say category 2. We have a new advisory, an intermediate advisory coming out at 7:00 p.m. They issue them every two hours, because we are approaching landfall.

We also have the threat for tornadoes all along the coastline of North Carolina. And you can see that well-defined eye. So this storm is forecast to hug the coast, possibly making a landfall anywhere along the coastline. Perhaps Moorhead City, outer banks overnight tonight and then moving offshore towards the Northeast. We have tropical storm warnings now, though or watches, rather, for parts of Cape Cod and the islands.
Watching this very carefully as we head to the Northeast this weekend.

Back in a moment.

TANTAROS: Well, President Obama likes to talk a lot about the pay gap between men and women in this country, especially ahead of the midterm elections. He said it's embarrassing that some women don't make as much as men for doing the same job.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The average woman who works full-time in America earns less than a man, even when she's in the same profession, and has the same education. That's wrong. In 2014, it's an embarrassment. Women deserve equal pay for equal work.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: Well, apparently he didn't get the memo that his own White House hasn't narrowed the gender gap at all since his first year in office.
The average male employee there currently makes about $89,000, while females at the Obama White House earn around $78,000. That's a gap of 13 percent unchanged from 2009.

Even his own press secretary admits the people's house isn't a shining example.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: We're certainly going to make some efforts at the White House to improve on our standing. I wouldn't hold up the White House as the perfect example here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: Dana, what do you think about that response?

PERINO: I love that response. It's refreshing, and it's honest and he didn't try to pretend like the White House doesn't have a problem, or that they don't have some work to do. I thought it was the best possible way to handle that answer. Unless you had a better way to -- unless you said, oh, next week, we're going to change it all.

What is your problem?

TANTAROS: Greg, you were disgusted.

GUTFELD: It's just another man taking a woman's job, press secretary.
Doesn't that bother you?

PERINO: I thought that was a good answer.

GUTFELD: Yes, it was all right.

PERINO: They don't have great facts. Therefore, the answer was pretty good.

BOLLING: Are you saying Jay Carney was a woman?

GUTFELD: No, I'm making a joke about the secretary.

TANTAROS: He did get dinged on this in "The Washington Post." They have been called out for this pay disparity. But does it matter?

GUTFELD: No, the problem with liberals, Bob, is they can never build, they can only level. So, their idea of equality is always forced from above, which inevitably leads to death, because sooner or later people want to achieve more than the government is willing to give you.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Eric? Can I ask you something? When they tried to explain this further, they said, well, one of the reasons for this is because women aren't in the senior positions at the White House. And I thought --

BOLLING: Why not?

TANTAROS: Why is that?

BOLLING: Another step that they won't tell you about, but if you ask, maybe they'll admit to it, 87 men in the White House make more than
$100,000 and only 53 women. Now, your question should be -- well, why aren't there equal amount of women making over $100,000 in the White House.

So, Dana, I don't know this. When you switch administrations, how much of the White House staff stays and how much leaves? Is this -- can we hang this all on Obama or no?

BECKEL: Believe it or not, you stepped right in --

PERINO: There's not that many people. And I also think that they're taking the averages, right? There are a lot of senior women. I think both the White House counsel just left, she was a woman, the staff secretary is a woman, Valerie Jarrett there. They do have some -- Josh Earnest said they could maybe do better.

But from my opinion, I don't care. I just want them to hire the best people that they have for the job.

TANTAROS: I agree with you. I only care because they make --

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: -- everybody else. They are huge hypocrites at the White
House.

BECKEL: Let's keep in mind, there are a lot of people who stay between administrations, one of which the White House, the people who answer the phones at the White House, the wonderful --

BOLLING: They're not making 100 grand, I hope.

BECKEL: No, no, they're not. That's not the point. If you take the average of everybody that works there --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Eighty-seven men, 53 women.

BECKEL: No, I see that. I see that. It should be better than that.
I agree with that. But there are a lot of women who stay there between
administrations.

TANTAROS: Can I ask you this, Bob? We agree on this one. Matt Lauer from the "Today" show taking heat for asking General Motors CEO Mary Barra,
if she can balance the family and work life. Here's the question.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MATT LAUER, NBC NEWS: You're a mom, I mentioned, two kids. You said in an interview not long ago that your mom -- that your kids said they're
going to hold you accountable for one job, and that is being a mom.

MARY BARRA, GENERAL MOTORS CEO: Correct.

LAUER: Given the pressures of this job, at General Motors, can you do both well?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: OK, Matt got a lot of blowback for that question. But here
his co-host on discussing the controversy on the show.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LAUER: This is not a gender issue. This is a human issue, of work and life balance. It's a parenting issue.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That wouldn't be a taboo subject. I was surprised the reaction you got, Matt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why wouldn't male CEOs get that question?

LAUER: You know what? If a male CEO were to come out and say, I -- I'm very upset I missed my son's prom and I think my kids are going to hold me accountable for job, and that as a father, yes, we'd ask that male CEO that question.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: I agree with Matt.

PERINO: Me, too.

TANTAROS: What do you think, Bob?

BECKEL: I don't quite get the -- what the problem is here. I think it's something a lot of women face, who have kids and have good jobs. Some of the men faced it for a very long time, too, not being able to parent as well as they'd like to. So, I don't think what Lauer was saying -- I mean, I don't know if Lauer has any kids, I wonder how much time he spends with
them.

GUTFELD: No, the biggest sin for Matt was that he's out of touch with the modern tolerati. He committed a word crime. And when you commit a word crime, that's almost like a physical deed.

The new talk show host, the modern talk show host should wear a shock collar. Anytime he approaches the truth, a producer should just shock him.

BOLLING: Or hit the button.

GUTFELD: Yes, hit the button so he doesn't say something honest.

BOLLING: Right.

GUTFELD: So, he doesn't say, hey, maybe it's hard for a woman to have a job and have kids. Oh, my God! Ahhh --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Which is amazing.

GUTFELD: But you can't --

PERINO: But how sexist against Matt. You cannot pick up a woman's
magazine that doesn't have an article about this issue every single month.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: So, I actually think that Matt was asking the question everybody wanted to hear. But because he's a man, they want to attack him for it?

BOLLING: Well, can I say, though, if a conservative male asked --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: There's all sorts of double standards. We call them like we see them without having --

BOLLING: At this table.

PERINO: At this table.

BOLLING: Yes, yes.

PERINO: And I think Matt Lauer, what he asked is absolutely
appropriate. And I liked her answer.

TANTAROS: And maybe more journalists should ask male CEOs that exact
question, since a lot of men feel flak for not pitching in at home.

BECKEL: Maybe more people at this table would say, more people at this table would say, if a conservative asked that, then --

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: All right, OK, blah, blah, blah.

PERINO: Well, when we're still on the air in four years, if there's a Republican, and you can then say --

BECKEL: I don't worry.

TANTAROS: All righty. Coming up, Greg sent around this video last night that's been exploding on the net. And as he put it, you have to see it to believe it. It's a politician having a meltdown of all meltdowns.
He's going to show it to you ahead. So, stay tuned.

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PERINO: A Democratic politician like Hillary Clinton appeals to voters on the issue of income inequality. The former secretary of state has received speaking fees of close to $2 million over the past year from universities alone, many of which have increased tuition over that time.
The institutions themselves aren't necessarily footing the bill, but the optics aren't necessarily good for someone who has been dogged recently as out-of-touch. Like the word "optics." And someone who may announce her presidential candidacy at year's end, or next year.

For this reason, the Washington Post today declared Clinton to have had the worst week in Washington, Andrea, because the Washington Post group said it just looks bad for her.

And I'm one -- I don't care how much she gets paid, and knock yourself out, whoever wants to pay her. That's great. But how long do you think she can continue to try to straddle the fence?

TANTAROS: For a long time. And I say that because the Clintons have been doing this for decades.

I mean, think about when they first came on the scene over 20 years ago. Hillary Clinton, her first scandal was some shady cattle futures trading issue, where she invested some, you know, $100 and she made
$100,000 from doing nothing. So they have a history of this behavior.
That's what got them in trouble in the first place. She looked horribly shady, horribly greedy, horribly rich. Thirty years later, she looks like the same three things.

What blows my mind is if you look at the donations that are given, now their argument is that this is a donation from a private donor to the endowment at UNLV, and it was specifically earmarked for Hillary Clinton.
But these donations under the laws are for scholarships, research facilities. This guy got a tax-deductible donation, Dana, that went right into the pocket of someone who doesn't need it, instead of scholarships for the students who do.

And it really is shocking that these universities have allowed themselves to turn into these Enron -- Enron types, money-laundering organizations where you just ask yourself, if you want to influence the Clintons, just give them money for a speech. This is the way that they're going to influence policy, is, "Hey, give a speech, wink, wink." It's like an inside contribution.

PERINO: Exactly.

Does anyone else like this or do you want to go on to Bob?

GUTFELD: I think -- I just got to point out that you have to remember that she's going through some financial issues. She is so poor, she can only throw reasonably priced lamps at Bill.

BECKEL: I've got to say quickly, I think it is bad optics. But the fact is, she was investigated on that futures issue and exonerated. So...

GUTFELD: She can no longer afford pantsuits made from pandas.

BECKEL: Yes, that's right.

Let's move right on...

PERINO: Yes, I'm going to move on to the jobs numbers today. OK, because this is something that, if she becomes president, she'll have to inherit on economy. Good one or a bad one, what will it be?

Today there were, Bob is going to tell us, good numbers. I think they were good numbers: 293,000 jobs created in the month of June. That's a good thing. But there is the fine print. An interesting little nugget.
But Bob, we all agreed that you should have a chance to...

GUTFELD: Gloat.

PERINO: ... gloat. Go for it.

BECKEL: I get so -- rarely get that chance with the Obama administration. But this is very good numbers; it's very strong.

And I know what the argument is going to be. All of these people were not looking for work, they dropped out. Keep in mind, the largest generation of workers is my generation, the Baby Boomers, by the millions, are retiring every couple of years. And those people when they lost their jobs decided not to go back and look for work.

GUTFELD: But this is -- Bob, this is a different economy: 6.1 percent unemployment now is not the same as 6.1 percent unemployment in 2008.

And the engine of the economy, as we can tell, is bad. A fresh coat of paint on the exterior won't help. We know that it's not growing.
According to the Bureau of Labor, 49 -- this is the 49th time in 50 months that more job seekers gave up looking. Job seekers gave up looking. So about -- for 60 percent of America tomorrow is a day off. For 40 percent, it's Friday.

BECKEL: Three hundred thousand jobs is a pretty impressive number.

PERINO: Eric, what is your take on it?

BOLLING: You need to keep up with the population growth. If you add the people who you just pointed out, about, whatever the number was this month, if you add all of those over the same period of time, under Barack Obama, 9 million people have given up. They said, "We can't -- I can't find a job. It's too hard to find a job."

BECKEL: Four to 5 million are retiring.

BOLLING: I'm overqualified to work at the jobs that we're talking about.

BECKEL: Four to 5 million are retiring.

BOLLING: Nine -- nine million have given up looking for jobs.

BECKEL: That's right. Because they went into retirement.

BOLLING: No, no...

PERINO: ... looking for jobs...

BOLLING: Actively seeking who decided they can't get a job and they left. If you ad those 9 million back in, Bob, the unemployment rate approaches 10 percent in the country. Now, stop it. I said it before.
The Bureau of Labor...

BECKEL: Have you ever said something good about the president of the United States?

GUTFELD: I will say this. He has been great for part-time workers.
Thanks to Obamacare, the...

BECKEL: With the exception of Dana, have any of you guys ever given Obama credit for anything?

GUTFELD: I have.

BECKEL: What?

BOLLING: If your goal is to make -- if your goal is to make sure that poor people aren't suffering as much at the expense of people who earn, then he's doing a great job. Yes, he is; he's doing everything that he promised to do.

BECKEL: That's -- see, you say -- you do it with that caveat.

TANTAROS: You know what, Bob?

BECKEL: Seriously, have you ever said anything really seriously...

TANTAROS: If your -- if these numbers continue every single month, you win. Honestly, you win. But there have been so many false starts, so many reports of record numbers of people on Food Stamps and disability...

PERINO: Disability.

TANTAROS: ... I will give you that. If these numbers come in every single month and we do this segment every single month and those numbers continue, instead of these false starts, you win.

BECKEL: Good.

PERINO: Also, the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) should take a lot of comfort in it. They've got a lot more work to do. No time to go on vacation necessarily.

OK, next. Greg's got an update on that felon who takes a good mug shot. It's gotten him a lot of attention from some admirers. I think Greg is one of them. He'll tell you the latest ahead.

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GUTFELD: You've heard of Jeremy Meeks, a hood who looks too good.
Meeks was nabbed for gang-related crime, including packing illegal heat.
But that faded away when his mug shot spread like hepatitis. Check him out. Yes, he's hot. So hot, you could roast marshmallows on him. So hot Al Gore blames him for the dead polar bears.

Rumors now abound about modeling contracts, reality shows. And so I pity the plain thug, convicted of similar crimes. Sadly, Meeks' cheek bones trump their scars.

That's life. Better looking people get the breaks and the differences transcend race. Even David Duke would give his left foot to sleep with Halle Berry.

I think good-looking criminals should receive harsher penalties, because they've had more options, which they chose to ignore. We cut slack to things that are easy on the eyes. Seriously, imagine if Adam Levine looked the way he sounded.

And it affects me, too. Do you think America would hang on my every word if I were a 7 instead of a 9.4-ish?

Meeks also gets attention because girls give it. Good-looking bad boys exist as traps that smart lasses must learn to avoid. Hollywood doesn't help. Every bad guy there is a charmer. Brad Pitt, Warren Beatty, Kurt Russell, Christian Bale, they all play killers. And so hot people are now stealing all the jobs from the not hot who deserve to play the villains.

But at least with Meeks, that will never happen. He was born to play himself.

Andrea, couldn't a modeling career have saved him? It saved me.

TANTAROS: I was just going to say, you're a very successful male model -- were. I should say.

GUTFELD: Underwear, yes.

TANTAROS: I would give you a 9.7. Women love bad boys, you nailed it. I reference The Onion article of the unemployment rate for hot people is zero.

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: Because there's a lot of truth to that. There is a lot of truth to that. Women have made him a sensation. Gay men have made him a sensation the same way that men make hot women a sensation.

And remember Scott Peterson? I always think about him, who killed his wife and his unborn child. And he was getting marriage proposals in the clink.

GUTFELD: Yes, true.

TANTAROS: I mean, there's something wrong with women who think he's hot and want to propose to a jail bird.

BECKEL: I used to follow serial killers as a hobby. This guy is a serial killer. Look at that face. You can just tell.

GUTFELD: We don't know that. Ted Bundy was. And he was...

BECKEL: I know. This guy's definitely a serial killer.

GUTFELD: You know what, Eric? When women see a good-looking bad boy, immediately they think they can save him.

BOLLING: I know. I hate that. He cannot be saved.

GUTFELD: Yes. But they never do it to ugly bad boys.

BOLLING: So he's -- look. He's a good-looking guy anyway. He may be a serial killer. But look, he did get an offer, didn't he?

GUTFELD: There's a rumor that he got an agent, the tanning mom's agent.

BOLLING: And a movie offer?

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: ... nonetheless.

BECKEL: Just because he's good-looking? You guys -- you think he's good-looking? This dude?

BOLLING: My wife thinks he is absolutely gorgeous.

BECKEL: Really?

GUTFELD: Dana has been writing to him for three months.

PERINO: I'm scared by neck tattoos.

GUTFELD: Are you really?

PERINO: Yes. It scares me.

BECKEL: Imagine where the rest of the tattoos are.

GUTFELD: Narrow-minded.

People treat ugly dogs as novelty. They have contests for ugly dogs.

PERINO: Oh, yes. They get awards.

GUTFELD: Yes, but not...

PERINO: No one's giving an award to Jasper.

BECKEL: We almost got through it. Greg, why did you ask that question?

GUTFELD: No awards for ugly people. And I think that's ugliest.

PERINO: Do you want to start one?

GUTFELD: Yes, I do.

PERINO: You want to host a contest?

GUTFELD: Yes, I would love to.

BECKEL: Who would judge that?

BOLLING: If you win, you are really ugly.

GUTFELD: Exactly, exactly. All right. We solved nothing.

All right. You may want to be careful when you take a dip in the ocean this holiday weekend. A rise in shark attacks is expected. Bob's going to tell you all about it.

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BECKEL: OK. Safe to get back in the water? That question resonated in the minds of beachgoers ever since "Jaws" was released nearly 40 years ago.

And this July Fourth weekend might give swimmers new pause. The number of sharks, particularly on the East Coast, has skyrocketed. And some scientists warn this could lead to more attacks this summer.

Now, let me just say, I scuba dive for a hobby, used to, and then I used to actually do it for work. I've been down under the water with sharks. They never have bothered me. But a Great White -- they said there's more Great Whites. If you said there was a Great White within
1,000 miles, I'm out of the water. Because those things will kill you fast.

PERINO: How fast would you get out of the water?

BECKEL: I wouldn't go. If somebody said there was a Great White shark, they are very dangerous. These other sharks, they come up and they hit people, because you see these people paddling, and they think that they're little schools of fish.

PERINO: I was wondering how fast you'd move or if you would you just...

BOLLING: So you wouldn't go?

BECKEL: No. You guys go to the beach...

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PERINO: I would freak out.

BOLLING: Do you know how many sharks are within 1,000 miles of any what that you're -- any ocean that you're in?

BECKEL: I'm in it.

BOLLING: Probably thousands of sharks. You know what the odds are of getting bitten by a shark?

BECKEL: No, it's hardly...

BOLLING: You have, like, more, obviously more likelihood to be...

TANTAROS: I do have the odds: 1 in 4 million.

BOLLING: Is that what it is?

TANTAROS: I looked it up.

BECKEL: Greg, why are you so -- you have this bad look on your face.
Did you get bit by a shark?

GUTFELD: I'm just deeply offended that we are calling this fish, or whatever this thing is, a Great White. I mean, this is racist. We're linking whites to a man-eating shark. It's disgusting.

PERINO: What if you called it a Great Black?

BECKEL: That would be even worse. It would be worse.

Look, you know, I just -- I mean, Great Whites. Abraham Lincoln, George Washington is a Great White. But not a shark.

You know what's worse? Bill O'Reilly -- dolphins, all they are is sharks that learned to smile. Dolphins are awful things.

BECKEL: Listen, Greg, you've got to see a Great White. The jaw of a Great White shark would be as big as this table.

GUTFELD: Yes, yes.

BECKEL: So you don't want to be anywhere near it.

PERINO: Would Greg fit inside?

BECKEL: That thing would use him for an appetizer. He'd be like a shrimp on a shrimp cocktail. Are you kidding me?

TANTAROS: Don't you think the real warning this weekend should be:
"Sharks, watch out for humans?"

BECKEL: Well, I'm telling you, if you dive underwater with sharks, it would be no good.

TANTAROS: Eleven thousand sharks -- but 11,000 are killed an hour.

BECKEL: Eleven thousand sharks an hour?

TANTAROS: An hour are killed by humans every single day.

BECKEL: That's mostly Chinese.

TANTAROS: The warning in the shark community should be watch out for us. More people will eat shark this weekend.

GUTFELD: The shark community there are so close-knit. And I've been talking to them. I go out there a lot and talk to them.

PERINO: How do they feel?

GUTFELD: They really are. They feel -- they're concerned.

PERINO: It's a P.R. problem, don't they?

GUTFELD: They like Obama. But they're not sure he's really looking out for them.

BECKEL: There you go. OK, look. We've got to get out of here.

BOLLING: It's important to know that these segments on the sharks are a public service announcement. That's why we do those.

BECKEL: That's right. And we've also got a huge number on Shark Week on whatever that network was.

All right. "One More Thing" is up next. And don't worry about the sharks. They're not going to bother you.

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BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing." I'm going to kick it off, "Fool of the Week. Roll it.

So many choices this week. Sandra Fluke after the Hobby Lobby decision, Bill Ayers with Ms. Megyn. But it came down to this young lady right here. Show the picture.

Nineteen-year-old Shannon Connelly, who was arrested for trying to join the terror group ISIS, because she fell in love with a Tunisian terrorist. Ms. Connelly was arrested at Denver International Airport and told the FBI that -- what she was up to. She was actually going to join ISIS. Shannon Connelly...

GUTFELD: Fell in love with a bad boy.

BOLLING: Fell in love. Maybe love, but definitely my "Fool of the Week."

GUTFELD: I think they can make it work, Eric.

PERINO: Win that contest.

BOLLING: All right. Greg, you're up.

GUTFELD: All right. What can you say? Japanese politician, he's busted for embezzling or something. But he apologizes. And, wow.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE) (CRYING AND SHRIEKING)

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PERINO: That's how it's done, Bob.

BECKEL: His English is not very good.

GUTFELD: That's how I felt when they canceled "All My Children."

PERINO: They did?

GUTFELD: I don't know.

BOLLING: Dana, you're up.

PERINO: America lost a really great American today. If you don't know the story of Louis Zamperini, you really should try to look it up.
There was a great book written by Lauren Hildebrand about him. It's called "Unbroken."

He was an Olympian, and then he joined the military and fought in World War II, and then he unfortunately had to spend 47 days on a raft. He survived, and then he was rescued, but not rescued, picked up by the Japanese, taken to a torture camp.

He comes back, and he becomes an inspirational speaker. And he is -- that story is absolutely amazing. And on the Fourth of July, just look him up. Teach your kids about him. He's a really amazing person, and America's going to miss him.

BOLLING: Amen. Bobby, you're up.

BECKEL: OK. I never have anything to promote on this show, obviously. But now I do. What we're seeing is the least tech guy here, which is true. But I have decided to go forward here. I'm going to open up a web page August 1. I'm going to open up a podcast called "Where's the Beef?"

And now, working right now, I have Instagram, and here's the Instagram. You get to me by doing Bob underscore Beckel. And I tell you one thing, that's all I know about it. That is all I know about it.

BOLLING: Just wait. Just wait.

BECKEL: We've been trying to send out pictures here on this set for the last four minutes, and we haven't got it up. But it will happen. So there it is, Bob underscore Beckel.

PERINO: All right.

BOLLING: All right.

TANTAROS: You posting photos of yourself makes me very, very nervous.

BECKEL: I don't blame you.

TANTAROS: But I'll follow you, because I'll bet it's going to be fun.

All right. So the creator of Wonder Woman said that he does not want Linda Carter, that iconic woman, to be considered a feminist. That's how bad the "F" word has as a branding problem. So you remember this photo -- I think we have it -- of Linda Carter's Wonder Woman?

BECKEL: Uh-oh. Oh, yes.

TANTAROS: There it is. The other one -- who was the other one?

PERINO: That was you and Greg.

BECKEL: Yes, that was you and Greg.

TANTAROS: Come on, guys. There it is. All right. With a magic unicorn.

BECKEL: There you go.

TANTAROS: The "F" word. See, I don't know what's so bad about the "F" word. But I understand, so David Finch, he told "Mother Jones," "I don't want anyone calling Wonder Woman a feminist."

BOLLING: Interesting. We're going to have to leave it there. Have an amazing Fourth of July, everybody. Don't forget our Independence Day special right here on "The Five."

We want to wish a special happy birthday to Paul Esion (ph), who's turning 97 tomorrow on the Fourth of July. He's a Navy vet and still a darn good softball player. See you then.

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