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What, if anything, should the US do in Iraq?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," June 16, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and who is this guy? It's Jesse Waters.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."

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PERINO: Islamic militants are on the move in Iraq, slaughtering people as they take control of more and more parts of the country. Today, they seized another city in northern Iraq, Tal Afar, the strategic location along the highway to Syria.

Meanwhile, the ISIS terror group claims these photos show executions of Iraqi soldiers. The militants claimed they killed some 1,700 Iraqis. A number of Western officials say they cannot confirm.

Questions are being raised on what, if anything, the U.S. should do?

And Iran could play a factor on how this plays out.

Here's Secretary of State John Kerry and former acting CIA director Mike Morell with their take on the Iran factor.

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JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: Look, we're open to discussions if there's something that can be contributed by Iran if Iran is prepared to do something that is going to respect the integrity and sovereignty of Iraq.

MICHAEL MORELL, FORMER CIA DEPUTY DIRECTOR: I do not believe it is in the interest of the United States for us to work with Iran. I don't think we want to give Iran a foothold in Iraq, so we need to help the Iraqis. The moderate Gulf States need to help the Iraqis. We need to keep the Iranians out of this.

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PERINO: All right. So, lots to discuss, tonight. Kimberly let's start with just overall thoughts about the developments on the weekend and what's at stake as the reality of the situation becomes more clear.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Alarming and no surprise. Isn't this what we expected, even during the course of the week, that things would escalate? The violence.

This isn't, you know, a terrorist group. This is a terrorist army. They are well-funded. They are efficient. They are ruthless. They're even worse than some of the al Qaeda that we have seen before in full play.

I think this is a disintegrating situation, one that really needs the attention of the president. We don't want to get memo upon memo, meetings about meetings. You need to do something and, if you're going to act, act decisively and with authority. Otherwise, there is, once again, a message to be sent, that you can do anything. You can play on the U.S., because they're not going to do a thing to you.

PERINO: Eric, let me ask you, do you still think that -- a couple of months ago, remember Secretary of State John Kerry gave a speech about climate change, and what he said that the biggest threat to Americans is the threat of climate change? Do you think he'd like to revise his remarks?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yes, I'm sure he would. But let can we just talk about what's going on here, so the Obama administration said they were kind of caught off guard. How do you get caught off guard in the Middle East with all this stuff going on, with all the money we've spent, in that region, all the lives we've spent?

Here's the problem, the Obama administration has now said they may have to ask Iran for help. What is going on with Iran and the U.S.? They want nukes. They want to negotiate nukes. Do you think that's not going to be on the table when we say, hey, we need your help pushing back this ISIS group? They say, yes, make sure we have nukes.

There's another thing. You ran a little sound bite of John Kerry sitting down with Katie Couric. Katie Couric asked him, because she -- they had -- I guess Yahoo has some intel that said, Qatar, whatever, had some dealings with ISIS. Now, how scary is that? Qatar had dealings with ISIS. Qatar was also the go between the Taliban five and trading for Bergdahl.

The point is this: it is so mixed and so jumbled, this whole terror thing, we just have to stop or we're going to start arming our enemies. And we heard today there's a possibility U.S. stinger missiles may be in the hands of ISIS. Just stop.

I disagree. Kimberly, I love you. I disagree. I think we need to pull out --

GUILFOYLE: Well, if you really love me, you would not disagree.

BOLLING: Stop being with decisive. We did decisive. It didn't work out.

GUILFOYLE: I think airstrikes are an answer here.

PERINO: Bob -- to Eric's point with the administration having to say on background that they were caught off guard by this, do you think that we have yet another problem in that there is more intelligence failures because an army like this doesn't just amass overnight. This is something that's been going on for a while. In fact, the secretary of homeland security, Jeh Johnson, said in April, that Syria now is a threat to the homeland. Now, the border between Syria and Iraq has effectively been erased.

So, how big was the intelligence failure if indeed the White House was caught off guard?

BECKEL: Well, my assumption is we would have left a number of agents behind in the both the Sunni community and the Shiite community. That's the whole idea of intelligence. And I would be -- I'm actually shocked they didn't have that information. It takes a little word to put an army together.

However, having said that, well before Obama came into office, this was predicted. And you cannot get into a war between Shiites and Sunnis that's been going on for 2000 years and expect you're going to have any other outcome.

What are we going to do? We're going to go in there and send more troops in. Are we going to bomb a few places?

GUILFOYLE: I didn't say we send troops in. I didn't say that.

BECKEL: They are committed, and I think the answer to this is let them go at each other.

PERINO: Well, let me ask you, Jesse, so there are two schools of thoughts in America, which is to -- and I can understand, right, there's a feeling of let them fight it out. But is this the Middle East Armageddon that your parents warned you about?

JESSE WATTERS, CO-HOST: I mean, you could let these people slug it out and everyone would love to see them kill each other. I think majority of the population in this country might like to see that. But then you're going to have another 9/11. If you are going to wait until they slaughter each other and then go in and respond --

BECKEL: How did you know that? How did you have any idea --

PERINO: How do you know --

WATTERS: Morell just predicted there's going to be another 9/11 and he was Obama's number two at CIA, OK? So, I trust him too or -- because I think a lot of people say, you know, why do we care about Iraq, OK? Gas prices are going to go up. Barrel of oil is almost $110 a barrel. T. Boone Pickens says it will go up to $152, $200 a barrel.

You're going to have real consequences if you don't get involved. It's going to hurt people's pockets. The American people care about that.

PERINO: I think that the safety -- beyond oil prices, I think the safety and security of our friend Israel is --

BECKEL: That is paramount.

Now, Jesse what exactly would you do?

WATTERS: Here's what I would have done. I would have left --

BECKEL: Not would have.

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WATTERS: OK, here's what I would now. I would send some Special Forces in there because you need close air support when these guys are engaging the enemy in the north. You have to call in airstrikes and you're not going to do that if you have people on the ground. You need guys to refuel, OK? You need guys in there to make sure you share intel with the commandos.

BOLLING: Send more of our young kids to be slaughtered and to be killed.

PERINO: I didn't hear him say that.

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WATTERS: A lot of veterans that went in there in 2003 and 2004 are ashamed and appalled this administration squandered their peace.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Keep doing it and hope for a different result the next time.

WATTERS: I'm not saying send 100,000 troops.

BOLLING: Allow me. Let's just say, you're right, you send more troops in. You secure Iraq. You get Iraq back and things calm down in Iraq.

These are cockroaches, Jesse. They'll ill find another trash can to go hide out and Yemen --

WATTERS: I say kill the cockroaches. I say kill the cockroaches. If the cockroaches are going to go to Iraq, kill the cockroaches.

BOLLING: Then we have an epidemic of cockroaches in this country and we have an epidemic of terrorist cockroaches.

WATTERS: I'm not going to let Iran take over Iraq.

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PERINO: Let me mention something that I think is worth discussing and I don't think there's been enough focus on it, which is, Kimberly, this.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

PERINO: About a third of the foreign fighters that are in Syria who are being radicalized are European. Some are also American and they are starting to go back to their homeland.

GUILFOYLE: Correct.

PERINO: Meaning, maybe --

GUILFOYLE: Terror has tentacles.

PERINO: As Eric called them cockroaches. So, then they spread.

Do we -- are with to have enough confidence in our government that we can prevent every future terrorist attack? What happened to fighting them there so we don't have to fight them there?

GUILFOYLE: I agree. That's what we were trying to do. That's what all the troops that have served valiantly over there were trying to do, protect the way of life of Americans, protect our freedom, protect our children.

The one thing you want to count on is a government to protect you from evil terrorists like -- that are basically at play right there. If you think the tentacles of terrorism are going to be contained just in the Middle East, then you're being naive and forgetting the lesson that history has taught us.

So, my problem is, I just can't say, well, it didn't work and I'm tired of this and I have fatigue, because the terrorists don't have fatigue. So, why should America? That's why you have to be smarter. Fight them in a better way, and not let me them come home to do damage here, Jesse.

BECKEL: The Europeans are mostly Muslims who have taken into places in London and Paris, where they have a huge population. They're going out to fight. Even in United States, they are Muslims who are coming because we had an unrestricted immigration problem with -- we keep talking about the Mexicans, these people are far more dangerous and I don't understand why -- look, we're much better equipped to stop these things now than we were before.

What are we going to do? That's the problem. There's too many uncertain things.

GUILFOYLE: But you just want to throw your hands up. Can you tell me something that's going to help and keep us safe?

BECKEL: No, I can't. I cannot.

BOLLING: I can tell you one thing.

GUILFOYLE: What?

BOLLING: Doing nothing will cost fewer lives than and a lot of money than doing something which frankly doesn't worth. I have a 15-year-old. The thought of sending my 15-year-old to Iraq, to Afghanistan, to Iran, to Syria, to Kenya today, because 50 Christians were slaughtered by Muslim extremists as well is asinine. Those people hate us, even if you secure a place, the people where you are securing, still hate us.

PERINO: I think it's leapfrogging a bit.

BOLLING: Why?

PERINO: Because the options on table, all of them bad, are in my opinion when you are president, you don't get to choose the cards that you are dealt.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

PERINO: You are dealt a certain hand of cards, OK, and you have to decide how you are going to play them. I think President Obama has played them badly. So, that leaves us with very bad options.

If he doesn't at least try to contain, at least do something, even if it's on the political side of things, to try to come to some sort of agreement until they can figure something out, I do think that that puts a future president in the position of having to do something even more difficult, not involving your son necessarily, but something that I think gets to be almost untenable situation for Israel to maintain on the region its own.

BECKEL: Exactly right. (INAUDIBLE)

We put Maliki on that job and he was elected on the foundation, a platform that would include Sunnis in the government. He flat out did not. The Iranians wouldn't let him do. We had a bad war to begin with. We had a bad choice of people that run. Iraq never had a government worth --

PERINO: Can I --

WATTERS: Wait, let me just interrupt you, one second, Bob.

In 2011, Biden went out there and tried to take credit for the success in Iraq. They were handed over a pretty pacified Iraq in 2011. And you know what he said? He said Iraq could be one of the greatest achievements of this administration. And now to turn around now and blame Bush, that doesn't make any sense.

BECKEL: It's not a question Biden was not right about. Bush was not right about it. We had no reason to be in there, for the weapons of mass destruction that did not exist.

GUILFOYLE: I know. But it's just such a political naivete and so immature --

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WATTERS: Maliki is a corrupt guy and we have to deal with it.

BECKEL: We promised it wouldn't be nation-building, and we did. And that idiot let the entire Iraqi military go.

BOLLING: Bob, you know what this is? This is rehashing a 12-year history.

BECKEL: You got to rehash it. That's where it comes from.

WATTERS: No, but you're not forward. You are just blaming Bush.

BOLLING: Move the ball forward. Yes, stop blaming Bush. By the way, Obama has a lot of blame in this as well.

BECKEL: I can agree with that.

PERINO: And so does Maliki and to Bob's point. And I do think, Bob, though, it is worth remembering just one key battle of the last 12 years, since we are tying it all in the past, that was the one in Basra, whereas a surprise to the Shias and the Sunnis, all of a sudden, in the middle of the night, Maliki sent his troops, Shia troops, to protect the Sunnis who were being persecuted there in Basra. That was a bold move and it was one where I think the Obama administration should have -- if they hadn't had the signal we were leaving so soon, then Maliki's worst instincts might have been curtailed because he was willing to try to help the Sunnis at one point.

But once we signaled that we were leaving, I could understand why you would say who is going to be my biggest protector and it was Iran.

BECKEL: He asked us to leave.

PERINO: No, he asked us to sign a status of forces agreement --

BECKEL: Which was balanced against us.

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PERINO: -- President Obama.

WATTERS: Right. And he didn't counter the negotiations that said, OK, no immunity. And you know what they did? They walked away from the negotiating.

BECKEL: This is Iraq, Jesse. This is Iraq.

WATTERS: I know it's Iraq. I know it's Iraq.

PERINO: It is Iraq.

BECKEL: It's a thousand years old.

GUILFOYLE: You're missing the point. We have the opportunity but we lack the political will --

BECKEL: Oh, bull --

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GUILFOYLE: No -- and the leadership to get a very good negotiation done that would have prevented a situation like this. That is why people are upset. That is why the veterans out there that had served, OK, and tremendous losses to their family --

BOLLING: True and true, but let's not do the same thing again.

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BOLLING: I don't want to spend another 10 years doing this and another 4,400 lives, another trillion dollars. They are going to come back.

GUILFOYLE: Now we're a nation of quitters, I don't think so.

PERINO: All right. Kimberly had the last word there, but we're going to keep talking about this.

When we come back, could the chaos in Iraq lead to another 9/11? Some officials think so and you are going to hear from them next on THE FIVE.

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GUILFOYLE: Well, the escalating violence in Iraq has some lawmakers worried that this could lead to another 9/11.

House Homeland Security Committee Chair Michael McCaul and Senator Lindsey Graham raised the red flag on the dire consequences of President Obama's Iraq response.

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REP. MICHAEL MCCAUL (R-TX), HOUSE HOMELAND SECURITY COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: This is a crisis. It does require a response. Not going to Palm Springs for a fund-raiser.

I talk to Ambassador Crocker yesterday. He said that this is the greatest threat, national security threat since 9/11.

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: According to our own director of national intelligence, FBI director, the next 9/11 is coming from here. The seeds of 9/11s are being planted all over Iraq and Syria.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Meanwhile, Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cowan warned the snake is out of the cage on Iraq ands talking won't get it back.

Eric Bolling, what do you have to say for yourself? You'd have a change of position --

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LT. COL. BILL COWAN (RET), U.S. MARINE CORPS: Then he starts talking about some kind of reconciliation talks between Maliki and the Sunnis. I mean, look, this snake is out of the cage. It's a great big giant snake. Nobody is going to get it back in there by any kind of talking and I would say that ISIS has got itself pretty well-positioned right now to control at the end of the day whatever that day may be, a large swath of territory up there in Iraq and Syria, which threatens not only Iraq and all of its neighbors but certainly threatens the West.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, maybe the pacifist in the White House will hire a snake charmer to resolve this whole situation.

Would you like that, Eric?

BOLLING: No, you know, he -- Mr. Cowan, general?

GUILFOYLE: Colonel.

BOLLING: Colonel, sorry, Colonel Cowan said he used the snake. And I'll use the cockroaches, more operable. They can move around. They'll go from here to there, once you secured this area. Once you clean the cockroaches out, you will find them somewhere else.

Jesse, you said earlier it's about, you know, the price of oil will continue to go higher. We -- there was the alleged free Iraq for the past year and a half, right? I mean, it was supposed to be under control and oil was $105 barrel anyway. The movement into Iraq by ISIS, oil is up $2 a barrel. It's like less than, you know, 1 1/2 percent. So, it's not like this big massive move.

WATTERS: Well, I think once they take Baghdad, if they take Baghdad, then you really have to worry about oil and gas prices.

BOLLING: So, in other words, should we go protect Iraq over an oil price? I mean, i don't think --

GUILFOYLE: Do you think --

WATTERS: It's not primarily about oil. There's other strategic regions. You don't want to let a third of Iraq which borders Iran, which is sandwiched between our allies, Saudi Arabia and Israel, to be taken over by this al Qaeda --

BOLLING: Our ally, Saudi Arabia, a lot of help they have been.

WATTERS: I know. And they're financing this jihad in the north.

(CROSSTALK)

WATTERS: We were just talking about this on the break, it's Sunni versus Shia. And we could have potentially a civil war, unleashed hell, in the Middle East, with Iran being in power, and Israel in the crosshairs. And I just think right now, if we let it wait, like we did, in the late 1990s, and let everybody gather steam, and do a few --

PERINO: Have a safe haven. And then I think it comes back to our shores and I think that's why you need to preemptively do something and hopefully he maybe, you know --

BECKEL: You know, these politicians shoot their mouth off about another 9/11, these guys have oversight over this. Where was their intelligence? What were they got to do? Every time something goes wrong with the Obama administration, Lindsey Graham gets out there and shoots his mouth off about what's going on and there's going to be another 9/11.

PERINO: Well, I don't think that's fair. I think that Senator McCain and Senator Graham amongst others have been very vocal, about in particular the administration's lack of action in Syria, something you and I talked about for several months, as to why the administration couldn't figure out someway to at least contain the situation. So, I don't think it's fair to say he just jumped on it. He's -- they have been on top it. It's the president in charge.

GUILFOYLE: But what about the red line comments, Dana?

PERINO: It was about a year or so, maybe two years ago, that President Obama made the red line comment in Syria that said, if Syria uses chemical weapon, then X will happen, X didn't happen after Syria used chemical weapons. And we've been, I guess, for lack of a better word, a quagmire, since then. But one that is so dangerous.

But it's had other consequences, not just in this part of the world, where you are foreign fighters joining up with Syria and Bashar Assad in power. All around the world, you see some instability based on, if you can trace back to that moment where the United States decided they weren't going to enforce the things that the president of the United States have already said.

And in particular, I would point to what happened in Ukraine today. President Putin has now announced he's cutting off gas supplies to Ukraine. This is after he's taken Crimea, sent troops into Ukraine and also armed the rebels there, meaning, basically Russian agents.

In addition, in the South China Sea, you have additional problems, and I would argue that in some ways, other administration -- actually we're going to get a chance to talk about this in the next block -- ignoring Central America has been something that happened for many decades and it has been to our peril, because now, all of this is coming to the president's desk and we have the president who basically signaled this weekend that he's just kind of bored with all of this.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: chemical weapons are now out of Syria. There's been some success.

PERINO: How many chemical weapons does it take care of the problem? Eighty percent --

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WATTERS: Bob, let's -- let me just go to what Dana just said and think about it. The world has really fallen apart over the last three years over his watch.

BECKEL: The world has fallen apart over the last three years, how about the last 3,000 years?

WATTERS: You have an invasion on the southern border. You have Crimea being annexed. You have a new Cold War. Now, the Middle East is in flames.

What does the president do this weekend, he golfs, he goes to a fund- raiser, and today, he signs some executive action on gay rights. I mean, I don't understand what this guy's priorities --

GUILFOYLE: He's given up. I think it's clear what his priorities are. I mean, I'm not confused about him one 100 percent. I am counting, breathing, living, for 26 --

WATTERS: Last week, he said the world has never been a safer place. Do you remember that?

GUILFOYLE: He doesn't have an idea. No clue.

BECKEL: Did we learn anything about Vietnam? It was a wasted war, killed a lot of people.

PERINO: I think the fact that we left a little early and didn't secure a political situation was a problem there.

BECKEL: Left (ph)?

PERINO: Yes, I would argue about --

(CROSSTALK)

WATTERS: Imagine if Eisenhower just took out all the troops after World War II in Germany and just, said --

PERINO: Or Korea.

WATTERS: Yes, I'm done.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling?

BECKEL: By treaty they had to keep them there.

WATTERS: OK. We didn't get a treaty in Iraq.

BOLLING: When these two are done with the history lessons, history of the world.

PERINO: At least we know something.

BOLLING: No, no, it's all very interesting. I'm sure.

I want President Obama on golf course. I would rather have him on the golf course than in the Situation Room, you know, planning, devising another troop deployment. Keep him on the golf course.

GUILFOYLE: Because he's got no 3-point shot either.

(CROSSTALK)

WATTERS: -- for all that golf he played.

PERINO: At some point, you have to deal in reality. Nobody is talking about a troop deployment.

BOLLING: Well, Jesse Watters said we need boots on the ground.

(CROSSTALK)

WATTERS: So, you're saying the president is not going to send Special Ops guys.

PERINO: Eric had a funny and everybody missed it.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: All right. OK, fine. We're going to wrap this up. I'm not super happy about it, but we're going to move on.

Directly ahead, the surge of illegals -- here's something else -- crossing into our country intensifies. Now, border agents reveal dangerous gang members are entering the U.S. But why are we letting them in? Disturbing new details is next on "The Five."

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BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.

We turn now to the other topic everyone is talking about. Our southern border is being overrun by illegals. The mainstream media will have you believe it's just the children but the reality may be far worse. Some aren't so young or nice.

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TOM HORNE, ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL: You have 16 and 17-year-olds who can be gang members and they are entitled to stay because they are minors, which is contrary to the law passed by Congress but the administration's policy and also because the highway patrol is so diverted now by this overwhelming number of minors coming, the adult gang members can sneak across.

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BOLLING: Plus, the holding areas are becoming dangerous, sex, drugs, crime. And with the border patrol already overworked and outnumbered, what else would one expect that is everyone except the Obama administration?

K.G., gang bangers now.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I know. I mean, I spent so much time prosecuting gang members. Hi, guys. Still in custody.

You know, so these are dangerous individuals. This is a real threat. I mean, I feel like Rome is burning. How many more problems that are very serious that need complete devotion and attention can happen at one time? This is a crisis in America right now.

When you see the video and you actually pay attention, concentrate, absorb the impact of it all in terms of just our infrastructure: the impact on our schools, the impact on our medical care, these families coming in, these are all just a flood, a wave of dependents, washing into this country. How are we going to handle this?

BOLLING: How are we going to pay for it, Bob?

GUILFOYLE: ... have no money...

BECKEL: Well, first of all, when you were prosecuting gang members, Obama wasn't around, No. 1. No. 2, most of those gang members came up from El Salvador, because Reagan declared that was...

BOLLING: Wait, wait...

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: We're talking about 40,000 people.

BECKEL: You can't grab a day and time and not look at the history of what happened.

BOLLING: The history? This is two weeks ago.

BECKEL: El Salvador gangs are back in '86.

BOLLING: Bob, they're busing these kids to our border, and you're missing my point.

Let's move on. Dana, your thoughts. Another Obama scandal.

PERINO: Right. So when this was first happening last week, I heard, like, what -- I'm sorry, Bob, the phone is ringing, and it's probably a very important phone call.

I think that this -- what this does is it pulls at America's hearts and minds, because the polls actually were showing increased support for some sort of comprehensive immigration bill. But I actually think now that this situation on the border will harden people's hearts a little bit, not because they are uncaring for the children, but because they realize this is an untenable situation.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BASH: You do not have borders, you don't have a country. And it would be hard to send these children back, but it might be a choice that America has to make to stop the flow of them from coming in.

BOLLING: Send them back, Jess?

WATTERS: Yes, you have to send them back. And let's be honest. It's an invasion. It's not just a humanitarian crisis; it's a national security crisis.

We know why they're coming. First the administration tried to say they're coming because they're running from all the violence in Central America. Well, it turns out, the Border Patrol intel memo, when they interviewed about 200 or so of these Central Americans, said 95 percent of them said the primary reason they're coming is because they think Obama is going to give them, quote unquote, "a free pass."

OK. We know why that is. It's because, you know, he's not enforcing immigration law. He's saying if you're a kid of an illegal and you're here, we're going to let you skate. And that's OK until you have an influx of, you know, sometimes disease, you know, unskilled gang members flooding the southern border. And the president never even alerted Arizona that they were bussing and flying all these...

GUILFOYLE: And by the way, where are the families to support these children? Who will then take them in? Yes, they become co-opted by the gang members. I've seen it happen over and over again. They have no means. They have no resources. You're desperate. You will look for someone to give you guidance, to lead you and be the person to tell you how you're going to live your life and how you're going to feed yourself.

BECKEL: Jesse, can you name me the last United States businessman who was arrested for...

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: You don't want to talk about it.

BOLLING: Here's a legitimate question. There's 40,000 or so of these kids.

BECKEL: Yes, right.

BOLLING: What happens when 40,000 becomes 400,000 or become 4 million? What do we do? Just take them all?

BOLLING: Got to love their 12 million now. I mean, they talk about these big brave Republicans, say, let's put the National Guard on the border. We've already done that before.

GUILFOYLE: How about taking a better job of taking care of this children that are in this country right now? In poverty.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: You were prosecuting Reagan's gang members.

GUILFOYLE: What? What are you talking about?

BECKEL: El Salvadoran gang members in California. Yes, he let them in in '86.

GUILFOYLE: I can't.

BECKEL: Go look at your history for once, will you?

WATTERS: OK. So Reagan did it so Obama can do it?

BECKEL: I said -- I said I think it probably --

GUILFOYLE: And by the way, just so you know, that's sort of a racist comment, because you're assuming that all the gangs that I've prosecuted were Latin. Incorrect, erroneous.

BECKEL: There were some Latins. Have you heard of the Bloods and the Crips?

BECKEL: Yes, I have. But the point here is what is the answer to this? And it may well me that you have to send them back. The question is where do you send them to?

BOLLING: Home.

BECKEL: Home, but where is home.

BOLLING: Where they came from.

BECKEL: But it's -- the question is where are these kids coming from?

BOLLING: Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala.

Up next, computer experts weigh in on the Lois Lerner e-mail mystery, saying they are not buying the IRS excuse for losing two years' worth of documents. Find out why after the next break.

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WATTERS: On Friday, we reported that the IRS claims that it lost two years' worth of Lois Lerner's e-mails. But the mainstream media dragged their feet on the coverage of the latest twist in the targeting scandal. The story was not covered on any of the major network news shows through Saturday, and The New York Times did not cover the story until a blog piece on Sunday.

Meanwhile, some IT experts say there's no way the e-mails could have been, quote unquote, lost. I mean, imagine if you were audited by the IRS and you said, "You know what?"

GUILFOYLE: You mean what happened?

WATTERS: "My computer crashed, and I don't have two years' worth of receipts." Would that even hold up?

PERINO: I think that their audacity is pretty incredible, given that, if the e-mails were not recoverable, presumably they would have known about that sooner than last Friday.

WATTERS: Right.

PERINO: They notified the committee chairman on a Friday afternoon, hoping that everything would just go away. I don't know how much further down the drain America's confidence in their government can get, but we're getting pretty close to rock bottom. And still many in the media continue to give the administration the benefit of the doubt, as if there's really nothing to see here, that it's not -- what's the line I read: "It could just be gross incompetence but there's no corruption here." How do they know that?

GUILFOYLE: Because they think we're stupid.

WATTERS: Right.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, this is so corrupt. They're worse than about 95 percent of the people I've put away. I'm not kidding you. This is so flagrant. They are hiding. They are lying. She refuses to tell the truth. I mean, it's just shameful. I don't know why we're even allowing any of this to happen, except we don't have a Department of Justice where it's worth its salt.

WATTERS: If you don't have these e-mails, and you are in court, that's considered what, spoliation of evidence? They're going to consider that purposefully destroying evidence.

GUILFOYLE: Then what?

WATTERS: That could be potentially incriminating.

GUILFOYLE: And then what? It's like the people that do a refusal on the DUI test, OK? You don't have the blood evidence. You don't have the Breathalyzer. And they just go, "OK, well, you're going to get points on your license." what's going to happen to them?

WATTERS: Right. Now, Eric, these e-mails, they're not just not Lois Lerner. This is Lois Lerner communicating to the White House, to the DOJ, to Democrats, to the FCC. How's that?

BOLLING: Remember when O'Reilly asked Obama? Not a smidgen of corruption.

GUILFOYLE: Why? Because there was no e-mails.

BOLLING: It wasn't a smidgen. It was a whole budge of corruption going on there.

This came out Friday afternoon. I have to jokingly say, what about the NSA? But over the weekend, there were a couple of lawmakers said, "Hey, what about the NSA?" If they've data mined everything, they must have data mined...

GUILFOYLE: They have this. They have this. Come on!

BOLLING: Here's the deal. To find out who says they lost it. Someone has to say, "This blew up. We lost it. We lost the information. We lost..." Get that person to testify under oath that that stuff was lost and find out what really happened.

GUILFOYLE: You could recover the files. Are we in the, like, the caveman times? Give me a break. You can find, like, the worst firm in America, and they can find these.

WATTERS: Now, Bob, let's see, you were around during the Nixon administration, I assume.

BECKEL: Remember that.

WATTERS: Is this -- is this Nixonian, where those 18 minutes of audiotapes from Nixon suddenly mysteriously disappeared? Is that what we're talking about here?

BECKEL: Jesse, you have to give me a break today, because I'm still stunned by the fact that some of my e-mails I thought I deleted are still out there somewhere, and which means that I'm in big trouble. So I didn't know that you could retrieve these things. I thought I'd gotten rid of them forever, but I did not. So now it's a very painful day.

WATTERS: I'm sure it is. And remember. This is the IRS that's in charge of Obamacare. OK?

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

WATTERS: Still to come, USA takes on Ghana in the World Cup today. That's still not enough motivation for Bob to tune into soccer. He'll vent about why he's not a fan, next.

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BECKEL: In light of the World Cup, you heard me on Friday describe how I'm not a fan of soccer. For example, here's what a soccer game looks like.

Kick it back, kick it forward, kick it back, kick it forward, doing nothing, no goals. OK. And today, a lightning -- a lightning important game, which was Iran-Iraq -- Iran zero, Nigeria zero, or nil-nil.

Now, the question I have here, is did you ever watch a football game? They're interesting games. You get a lot of points. You watch these people, they run around in these euro trash outfits. They don't -- they're out there for 90 minutes. I give them that; they've got to be in good health to do that. But it's nothing. They don't score anything.

I mean, so why is it everybody is so excited about it? I know a billion people are, and I'm in trouble because FOX is covering it. But I'm just telling you, who in the world in this country really thinks soccer is worth a damn? I mean, I know a lot of people are certainly (ph) intense about soccer. That's nice. But I mean, come on, are you kidding me? There's just nothing about it. When they go out there, the only thing the guy can do -- the only highlight of the soccer game is "Gooooooal!" That's the only way to go. What do you think?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. So awful.

BOLLING: I agree with you. I just can't get into it. I just want to see some scoring; I want to see some strategy. Like, oh, no strategy. What's the strategy behind soccer?

Here's my biggest problem with soccer. though. A guy will get hit, kind of bumped a little bit, and he'll lay there. And he'll lay there, and he'll writhe, and he'll turn in his legs. And then -- and then all of a sudden, he'll get up and he stays in the game. And he's fine. He'll score a goal in a minute.

PERINO: And you thought there was no strategy.

BECKEL: Dana, what do you think about that?

PERINO: And you thought there was no strategy. Here's a -- OK, do you like hockey?

BECKEL: No.

BOLLING: I do.

PERINO: OK, you like hockey. How is soccer really that different from hockey? Right.

GUILFOYLE: I love soccer, by the way.

PERINO: They're trying to do the same thing, and the scoring is about the same. And on the flipside, I think basketball is very boring, because of the high scoring. Every time they go down, they hit a basket, hit a basket, basket, basket. I don't see how it's any different.

BECKEL: Good for the country. When was the last time you watched a soccer game?

PERINO: Last night.

BECKEL: You did?

PERINO: Yes.

WATTERS: Before that it was four years ago.

PERINO: I also watched -- remember, I said I was supporting Ivory Coast on behalf of a guy in my building, and they won.

BOLLING: Can I defend hockey for one second? The difference is there's a penalty, a guy gets off the team, off the ice, and then there's a man advantage, and there's a ton of strategy going on.

PERINO: All right.

BECKEL: Jess, what do you think?

WATTERS: I'm not buying the World Cup soccer thing. I think it's an excuse for guys that didn't play sports growing up to act like they're fans to go to a bar for the first time in four years and act like men. I'm not buying it.

The other thing is it's a big deal for these Latin American countries and these European countries who never have anything to cheer about. So it's like the one time they can feel patriotic and rally around the flag, because their countries basically do nothing.

BOLLING: In Iran versus Nigeria, were terrorists watching that game? Did they...

BECKEL: Two World Cups ago, some guy by mistake kicked another person's goal.

PERINO: That happened the other day.

BECKEL: This guy went home and was shot and killed.

BOLLING: Colombia.

BECKEL: Colombia.

GUILFOYLE: People take soccer very seriously. I enjoyed a lot. I played soccer, since I was in first grade on an all-boys team. Fun, fun, fun. Never stops.

BECKEL: I think that was.

GUILFOYLE: And I have little Ronan playing.

BOLLING: How was the shower room?

GUILFOYLE: I was like in second grade. I didn't go shower with all the boys.

BECKEL: OK. I just wanted to...

GUILFOYLE: That was disgusting.

BECKEL: It wasn't disgusting. It was -- I'm just making my point here.

GUILFOYLE: What was your point?

BECKEL: The point is that there is nothing about this game that is interesting. They get hundreds of thousands of people this day, they fight with each other. They're a bunch of hooligans who get in fist fights.

WATTERS: That's the best part about soccer.

PERINO: Sounds like a football game. Sounds like football; sounds like rugby. Sounds like all great sports. ESPN, baby, come over to my house.

BECKEL: And you played soccer with boys?

WATTERS: One more thing: imagine if our athletes in this country actually played soccer. We would destroy these other countries.

PERINO: But we. We do play.

WATTERS: If Russell Westbrook or Barry Sanders played soccer, they'd annihilate them. We let these guys win.

BECKEL: Exactly right. The guys playing this evening, I think, some cheap team.

BOLLING: Ghana.

GUILFOYLE: And soccer players are super-hot.

BECKEL: "One More Thing" is up next, and it won't be soccer.

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PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." And I wish you could have heard the commercial break, because we have solved all of the world's problems.

GUILFOYLE: You agree with me on soccer.

PERINO: We agree. Kimberly and I agree. We are in a disagreement with our male colleagues.

All right. I'm going to go first. Here's a clue.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

Who has hosted the most game show episodes?

BOLLING: I know this. Eric.

PERINO: Go ahead.

BECKEL: Trebek.

BOLLING: Alex Trebek.

PERINO: Who is Alex Trebek?

BOLLING: Who is Alex Trebek?

PERINO: Who is Alex Trebek?

GUILFOYLE: Who is in second place?

PERINO: Congratulations. He just has the Guinness Book of World Records for game show hosts.

BECKEL: How many is it?

PERINO: How many is it? That's a great question: 6,829 episodes.

GUILFOYLE: ... when he was on our show, remember?

PERINO: If you say so. Now Pat Sajak's got some catching up to do. Congratulations to Alex Trebek. One of the rare guests we've had. I do question with his wisdom, though, in putting Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and I together, which looked very strange. But it was a great time, I have to say.

Kimberly, you're next.

GUILFOYLE: He could, like, pick you up with one arm and carry you around like a pocket protector.

OK. So let's go royal again, shall we? Yes, because what do I love more than the royal baby? Oh, my goodness. He's so cute. Prince George taking his first public steps at a polo match and with his -- what was it, his uncle, Prince Harry won the trophy.

PERINO: How surprising is that? Doesn't he always win?

GUILFOYLE: I'm sure he plays with good players.

PERINO: Right.

GUILFOYLE: In fact, he does. So anyway, this is very sweet. How can you not love this little baby?

PERINO: I don't know. Bob, you want to answer that questions?

GUILFOYLE: So cute.

PERINO: All right, Eric.

BOLLING: All righty. So yesterday was Father's Day. And I got the greatest gift in my entire life, probably the greatest gift any father could ask for.

I got an e-mail on Saturday right before Father's Day. And it was Eric Chase's school. Eric Chase's school, and they informed me that he was named math student of the whole month of the whole school. Take a picture. There he is. He's lifting weights. By the way, Dana, those are 45-pound weights.

PERINO: You see Obama's workout?

BOLLING: I just want to say, I'm extremely, extremely proud. Do you have one more picture?

PERINO: Congratulations.

BECKEL: He's about three months off from kicking your butt.

GUILFOYLE: He's a great student and a great athlete. Great baseball player.

BOLLING: Bob makes a good point. He is very close to being able to kick my butt.

BECKEL: He is.

PERINO: I could give him some lessons.

GUILFOYLE: You know what? Ronan got best athlete at the school.

PERINO: Well, Jasper, he got cutest dog in America. I mean, it was amazing. I got an e-mail about it this weekend.

All right. Bob, you're next.

BECKEL: I'm just trying to get over Jasper for a second. Congratulations.

Listen, I had -- Father's Day I could not get down to Washington. My -- actually, my daughter was watching soccer.

PERINO: Of course she was.

BECKEL: Now why -- she's a great soccer player and all that stuff.

GUILFOYLE: See?

BECKEL: Yes, but it's still a wuss game.

But anyway, so I -- we got together, my son and my daughter and I, at my daughter's graduation. And I've got two pictures here so you can see my daughter and my son. I'm going to show this one. There's Alex, my son, Alex, who is a strappingly big boy who can beat will hell out of me.

And then my daughter MacKenzie is here. Now, the two of us went out to a Father's Day dinner that night, which was actually Wednesday. So we did it early. They were great kids. I caught up with a lot of things I hadn't heard about.

Of course, the one thing that I did do when I finished dinner, the first thing I heard was, "Dad, can I borrow a few hundred dollars?" So I got the ATM thing, you know. But it's all right. It's well worth doing it, because they're great kids.

BOLLING: What about a follow-up date? Everyone wants to know if you're going to have a follow-up date.

BECKEL: Wednesday.

PERINO: OK.

GUILFOYLE: Where?

PERINO: What do you mean where? We're looking for a place with good paella.

BECKEL: My apartment.

PERINO: OK. Well, I never heard that before.

Jesse, you're last.

WATTERS: All right. It's a Father's Day thing. You know what I got for Father's Day? Bacon of the month club.

PERINO: Nice!

WATTERS: I'm so excited. I just want to get that out there.

PERINO: What does that mean?

WATTERS: Every month -- every month you get a fresh little slab of bacon to cook up.

BOLLING: Like Clark Griswold? Jelly of the Month Club?

WATTERS: I'm in hog heaven over here.

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GUILFOYLE: Let me tell you something. Have it in my house every day.

WATTERS: So my "One More Thing" on Friday, one of the websites, Mediaite made a list. The biggest dude bros in cable news. Eric Bolling was on the list, along with Geraldo Rivera, Chris Cuomo, Brian Kilmeade, and myself.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

WATTERS: I think that was what got me on the list, the collar.

GUILFOYLE: The popped collar.

WATTERS: They called me smug bro. I had to look up what smug meant.

PERINO: Yes, do you think that was a compliment?

BECKEL: Stop wearing those collars. It's 1950s.

WATTERS: I get the feeling they don't like me over there.

BECKEL: Does everybody have a thing here?

PERINO: We have a little bit of time.

BECKEL: I know, but has everybody done their time?

PERINO: We're done.

BECKEL: Can I get back to soccer for a second?

PERINO: We have to go now. Don't forget to set your DVRs. We'll be back here tomorrow.

BECKEL: I think if you want to go to sleep, watch soccer tonight.

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