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What will happen to Bergdahl now that he is back on US soil?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," June 13, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone, I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Andrea Tantaros.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."

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GUILFOYLE: The American soldier held in captivity for five years by the Taliban is back in the U.S. Military officials just held a news conference to discuss the third phase of Bowe Bergdahl's reintegration.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MAJOR GENERAL JOSEPH P. DISALVO, ARMY SOUTH COMMANDER: Sergeant Bergdahl is in stable condition and will work daily with medical and mental health professionals. He appeared just like any sergeant would when they see a two-star general, a little bit nervous. But he looked good and again a saluted and had good deportment.

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GUILFOYLE: Defense sources tell Fox Bergdahl says he was locked in solitaire confinement for two straight years and he didn't see another human face for that entire time.

So, what should happen once Bergdahl's condition improves?

Well, his platoon mates are confident he deserted his post before ending up in the hands of the Taliban. Here's what they think.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MEGYN KELLY, Fox NEWS HOST: Raise your hand if you would like to see him court-martialed and see a trial?

Wow.

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GUILFOYLE: It seems to be unanimous consensus among those people that were seeing what was going on in real-time.

You decide, you want to take their word for it or the administration, Eric, saying, hey, listen, these guys are having something against them, trying to show some kind of disparity, saying this isn't consistent with the facts that they know.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Well, you know, Bret Baier sent that email and I think we reported that he, Bergdahl, spent some time in solitary, didn't see faces, in a box, that may change what people feel what went on and how urgent it was to get Bergdahl back and the timing on it.

However, it doesn't change the fact that if he did, in fact, purposefully and knowledgeably walk away from his platoon mates, as they pointed out they are willing to die for him and he wasn't willing to die for them. Then, he deserves to be court-martialed.

Remember, you can be found innocent in a court martial. It's a trial, right? You find out what actually happened. I'd like to see these guys testify under oath, but I have a hunch that, if -- at this point, 10, 12 days in now, someone would have come forth and look I agree with Bergdahl.
I didn't see him walk away but no one is willing to do that so I think it's high time that he gets his day in court.

GUILFOYLE: Right now, these are the facts as we know it, and that's why that they have to have a fact-finding vehicle to go through this, to let him present his side. That's what's fair, because he has a story to tell. We have to give them the opportunity to do that.

But what we know thus far, Andrea, is inconsistent with what we're hearing from the administration.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Yes, and I think there's another question, too. If he had been kept in solitary confinement, and only was brought up with a bag over his head, is he fit to stand trial? I mean, I definitely think we have some answers. But I'm not sure of his mental health. I'm not a medical professional. But I cannot imagine that two years in solitary confinement, he might just be gone.

I still think we are owed answers of why he was discharged from the U.S. Coast Guard and then moved to the United States Army if he was discharged for psychological reasons. It's such an odd occurrence. So, we could have prevented this whole thing in the first place.

But I do think he should be examined to see if he can stand trial by a medical professional. I do not see him, though, getting any jail time, no matter what he says or no matter what happens. I do think he will have the protection of this White House regardless.

GUILFOYLE: I think you are right about that.

And, Dana, talk about the messaging here. What kind of message should they be putting out at this point, because it seems like they are trying to like set the table for some kind of mental instability defense, perhaps unable to stand trial in his own defense and prepare a case.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, I think there's two separate entities. I don't think the military and the White House are necessarily on the same page here. I think it was the White House who made the decision to have the Rose Garden ceremony, which ignited the controversy and it didn't have to be that way.

Separately, I think there's the military, which I think they have handled themselves very well. The care and treating of the family and now of our soldier that is back, even if he is court-martialed, I think that there is a reason that our military is still -- holds this public's trust as an institution, because look at how our military conducted themselves today with care, steadiness, calm, and just absolutely dignified and I think we have a lot to be proud of in that regard.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Bob, how do you see it?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, first of all, let's step back and recognize. This reminds me of the Malaysian Airline flight where everybody was speculating. Those guys, what they said, his platoon, that is not evidence. I mean, they said he was a deserter. They don't know if he was a deserter. They didn't like the guy, but not one of them can say that they watched him walk over to the bar and get with the Taliban, one. And two, and also, it's not that I defend this, but in the first day, the big story was, all these people died trying to find them. Well, that story disappeared for a good reason. They have not died trying to find him.

So, I'm just -- I think we have to be very careful and I like the military. I think Dana is right. They handled it very well. But we can't call this guy a deserter because five guys --

TANTAROS: There is still testimony from his platoon mates, he asked them what would happen if he were to desert, numerous times.

BECKEL: That's different.

TANTAROS: So, there's some evidence there. Also why didn't the military raise a red flag when he sent all of his belongings home?
Typically, as I understand it in the military, when you send everything home, you are immediately put on suicide watch, because it means you are going to do something. You don't send all of your personal belongings home and then just sit there and do nothing.

BECKEL: He can become a sympathetic character if all these thing are true and he was tortured and all that. However, Bob, he did email his parents and he did leave a journal behind when he left or was taken, and all those arrows point to a deserter.

GUILFOYLE: It shows his state of mind at the time that would be relevant. And then, Bob, just so -- you know, any of the statements that any of these soldiers were making that would be relevant to the case and the judge will decide, can be brought in if they are called to testify and if there is a prior inconsistent statement or for the prosecution, one that's consistent. So, it is relevant, it is important and there's a record that's being made.

BECKEL: I've been under an insanity watch for 20 years and that doesn't necessarily mean that you have --

PERINO: I don't think that your experiences are comparable in this --

BECKEL: I think that's probably fair. Except he went to a bar and so did I.

TANTAROS: We've already made a conclusive decision on your state.

GUILFOYLE: And also, we got to take around the table, because big news developments today now to Iraq, a country slipping back into chaos, less than three years after President Obama pulled out our forces. Key cities are back in control of al Qaeda and ISIS, the terror network, even worse than that. Iraq is in desperate need of our help and today, the president says it will get some but not our ground troops.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We will not be sending U.S. troops back into combat into Iraq, but I have asked my national security team to prepare a range of other options that could help support Iraq security forces and I'll be reviewing those options in the days ahead.

We're also going to pursue intensive diplomacy throughout this period both inside of Iraq and across the region.

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GUILFOYLE: All right. Senators John McCain and Army General Jack Keane had advice for the president.

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SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: I say to the president of the United States, get a new national security team in place. You have been ill- served by the national security team and the decisions that you have in place now and the decisions that you made.

GEN. JACK KEANE (RET), U.S. ARMY: What needs to be done here is not really rocket science in terms of military operation. I would put General Petraeus on an airplane.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: All right. Strong advice and words from two very experienced veterans suggesting how the president could better the situation and handle what's going on, which is a quickly disintegrating situation in the Middle East that can comprise U.S. national security interest. I already know around the table, we've got some different opinions how this should be handled. Let's take it around.

Let's start with Andrea.

TANTAROS: Well, we should be fracking the heck of whatever we can in the United States of America and get ourselves off Middle Eastern oil, number one. Number two, I don't think there's a lot of good talk here.
I've heard talks about air strikes, in order to have an effective bombing campaign, you have to have operations on the ground. And we just don't have that. I don't think President Obama is willing to put boots on the ground. I don't think the American people want to put boots on the ground.

This has been an epic failure on so many different levels. I mean, Kimberly, he announced numerous times, telegraphed our timetable of when we were pulling out. He's ignored the advice of generals and military officials. He doesn't listen to them anyway. They've told them to do and he said no, he's gone his own way.

Then, just last month when he was at West Point giving an address, he said he decimated al Qaeda on the border. Not true. This past Sunday, Daniel Henninger has an excellent column in "The Wall Street Journal"
yesterday that goes through exactly the sequence of events. They attacked again on the border. More girls in Nigeria were kidnapped.

PERINO: Ukraine.

TANTAROS: Ukraine.

President Obama then releases five dangerous terrorists. I mean, you can't think of a worst time for the Middle East to be burning to the ground and them achieving their ultimate goal of a caliphate takes place, then on the heels of releasing five dangerous terrorists.

So, as much as people are saying we need to get involved, we need to get involved, I'm not so certain we do.

GUILFOYLE: Well, the president is saying he's going to take advice and wait options as to what are the next best steps? So, again, we're saying what we're going to do, giving them sometime to get even closer to their objective and their goal. So, even if we do act, will it be sufficient and is there enough ground support to make this a successful operation?

PERINO: Well, you had administration officials on background telling reporters that this situation in Iraq snuck up on them, that they didn't know it was happening.

So, when John McCain suggests that President Obama ought to fire his national security team, I can understand that. However, in my opinion, it comes from the top. If you want to solve a problem, you have to first admit that you have one and from the president statements this morning, I think it sounds like we're going to have a commission and six months later, we'll try to figure out something to do. I don't think we have that much time.

Perhaps he will decide to do nothing. I think that's what the president was signaling today. However, we just have to admit to ourselves and be honest about the cost of that and Iran getting involved in order to help, if that's what we're going to be willing to do, then we have to be -- we have to understand the costs.

And then I would caution people to look over the weekend at what's going to happen in Jordan. Jordan is one most stable partners we have in the Middle East. They have already over a million and a half refugees.
They're looking at 500,000 more. They will not be able to absorb them.
And I think that if we don't do something, that Jordan will be next.

GUILFOYLE: All right. I think that's good advice.

Eric, I want you to take me through the political and economic impacts of this.

BOLLING: Well, the economic is clearly oil. It's all about oil.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: I would agree with Andrea. The faster we become fully self- sufficient on our oil -- drilling, fracking, et cetera -- the better we will not be able to deal with these Middle Eastern conflicts anymore.

Iraq, very quickly, President Obama managed to lose a war that we already won. So, what do you do there now? In my opinion, I don't think we go ahead and spend another, I don't know, $500 billion, $1 trillion, to go and fix that situation. I think now, we have to say let's contain it.
So what's the next step?

GUILFOYLE: How do you do it?

BOLLING: Well, you let it play out. But if it starts to spread to other areas, then you'd have to get involved. I don't want to get involved. I don't want to send any more kids into action to die over fighting Sunnis and Shiite Muslims in a country that, frankly, even the winners hate us. That's my point there.

Afghanistan, you still have time. Afghanistan, President Obama is calling for a complete pull out with the exception of a few thousand soldiers to stay there.

He will lose two wars that we've already done if he does that. So, if Afghanistan, you need to keep a presence there, just like you do in Korea, North Korea doesn't go over to South Korea because we have 40,000 or 50,000 troops there. We've done it in other places, Bosnia, et cetera. Keep your presence, don't lose the second war you've already won. So there.

But as far as Iraq goes, man, we blew it. He blew it.

GUILFOYLE: Well, the problem is, though, we didn't have sufficient, you know, ground support in terms of intel on the ground real-time, to see what was happening. Instead we find out about it, you know, on the news, essentially, when it's too late and too much ground has been lost and given up and I think that's a real problem because we should have maintained some presence there and he should have push the point when he had the opportunity at the negotiating table -- Bob.

BECKEL: I truly don't know where to begin. First of all, the idea that we've won in Iraq and Afghanistan is absolutely -- it defies my imagination.

Even worse than that was this General Keane. He said -- his answer was, let's put Petraeus on an airplane. To go where? The Bahamas?

PERINO: I don't think he was serious. He was just making a point about what could possibly.

BECKEL: Well, maybe, but still. I mean, this is the problem, that nobody has an answer to this. It is not Obama's fault that all of this come down.

PERINO: Why?

BECKEL: These people have been fighting for 4,000 years. And this was predictable. If you want to stop them from fighting each other, then stay in there another 40 or 50 years.

TANTAROS: Well, why make it easy? It appears as if President Obama is making it very easy --

BECKEL: Well, how?

TANTAROS: -- for the radical Muslims to achieve the ultimate goal of getting the caliphate. He just sort of talked --

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: -- I don't really care.

PERINO: Not acting in Syria at the time.

BECKEL: I could agree with that. I could agree with that.

PERINO: And if we had been more decisive in supporting the people on the ground in Syria, or maybe not even supportive of them, but of making sure that ISIS didn't have a chance to grow -- yes, then I do think that President Obama -- and Eric's got a great point. Iraq was pacified when President Obama came in, and that changed when they decided to take out the troops but also they didn't redouble the efforts on the political side to try to make Maliki a better leader and to at least curtail his bad instincts.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BECKEL: We spent hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars training the Iraqi military to take care of themselves which was the idea.

PERINO: However, they don't have any backup, Bob.

BECKEL: Wait a minute, where do you go -- what would you do? How many U.S. troops would have to stand in Mosul to stop that?

PERINO: At this point, you can't fix the problem --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Forty to fifty thousand maybe. How many do we have in Korea, Bob?

BECKEL: What are you --

BOLLING: How many do we have in South Korea?

BECKEL: And is there an active war --

BOLLING: Just answer this, answer. How many --

BECKEL: Forty-eight thousand.

BOLLING: OK. We should have pulled out of there?

BECKEL: From my standpoint, yes.

GUILFOYLE: But look where that got us.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: At the mercy of the military.

BECKEL: That's not -- the U.S. pulling out any more than we did in Japan. That was a treaty obligation we have.

TANTAROS: OK. Here's another point of why they're making it easier.
Very quickly. The leader of ISIS, the most radical, it's not even a terror group, it's an army, was released out of a prison in Iraq in 2009 by the Obama administration. Why? Why would you empty out prisons with dangerous criminals that are now coming back, marching, beheading people town through town? And the president headed to golf this weekend.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Like the Taliban five, it sounds familiar.

BECKEL: Huh?

TANTAROS: What?

BECKEL: How many of those people are fighting and you think were released in the Bush administration? Do you think they all went home and started thinking lamb chops?

PERINO: Possibly 40 percent.

BECKEL: Huh?

PERINO: Possibly 30 percent. That's been the rate, three in 10.

BECKEL: The whole point here is it's not pointing fingers at Bush and Obama. You can't blame Obama for all this. This is a war.

TANTAROS: Why?

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: And even when President Obama took office, the liberals and the left and the Democrats who by the way many of them voted for the war, including Hillary Clinton --

BECKEL: Yes.

PERINO: OK.

TANTAROS: And we got U.N. support, have been blaming President Bush even up until now. So at what point does it become President Obama's --

BECKEL: A 4,000-year fight between the Shiites and the Sunnis.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Was Iraq calm year ago before President Obama --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: No, it was not. They didn't have a stable government.

GUILFOYLE: All right. We got to go, Bob.

BECKEL: OK. I hear you, Porter. I hear you.

GUILFOYLE: We got to go. We got to him off.

Review week one of Hillary Clinton's book list. Spoiler alert: it was a rough one.

Also, how about this for a Friday news dump? The IRS says it lost two years of emails from Lois Lerner, including ones to the White House. It seems a little too convenient, huh? Details when "The Five" returns. Bob is on a time-out.

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PERINO: Wow. It's been a while since we had Dirks Bentley.

OK. This week, Hillary Clinton kicked off her "Hard Choices" book tour, and it didn't go off well. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: We came out of the White House not only dead broke but in debt.

I'm not equipped to sit and look at blue prints.

I take responsibility but I was not making security decisions.

These five guys are not a threat to the United States. They are a threat to the safety and security of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You famously pressed the reset button. Are you
-- are you embarrassed by that now, that gesture?

CLINTON: No, I thought it was a brilliant stroke, which in retrospect, appears even more so.

PERINO: On top of those interviews, reviews of her book were a little bit rough. But the reviews weren't too bad.

Listen to this, Mark Halperin says it's mush, OK? "Politico's" Mike Allen calls it's a news-less snore.

But plenty of people are buying it. It's number three on Amazon.com.

We have another story we want to get to about the IRS. So, I'm going to do this quickly.

Bob, after this week, your thoughts, is Hillary Clinton more likely or less likely to run after a week of getting some questions from the press?

BECKEL: Less likely and I stick with what I said before. I think she's getting just a taste of what it's going to be a frontrunner. Usually those things happen between the first months from the first primaries or caucuses. She's got two years and she got a bristled during those.

And let's keep something in mind. It's good -- I think she would be a very good president but she is not the world's best campaigner. I mean, it never has been.

PERINO: So you think there are some other Democrats thinking about running?

BOLLING: I don't know. I think what's going on right now is she's totally surprised that she's getting asked these questions, and they are not even hard questions. These are just really -- and if you notice, a lot of these questions, there's not a follow-up after she makes these ridiculous comments, all these journalists go, OK, let's move on.

I mean, every single one of these -- dead broke, gay marriage, reset button. If you came back at her and say, could you please clarify what you mean? You don't hear any of that. If she does run from president, I have a hunch, hopefully, that she's going to get some of those. So, maybe this does say, I have to second-think 2016, she can't answer tough questions.
She can't answer a tough question.

PERINO: What do you think the problem? Well, maybe there isn't a problem. Maybe this all going to -- they have gotten a lot of press. They have great hit. They're going to be all over the TV this weekend as well.

Do you think it didn't go as well as they thought?

TANTAROS: Oh, I -- I don't think they ever expected it to go this way and I think anyone who has watched Hillary Clinton over the years knows that the bristle that Bob discussed has always been there. And it's always been a concerned.

But I think, Dana, they know and they acknowledged. They must that she's not as Bob just said and I've said before, too, never been a great candidate. I think they were waiting and hoping that the press was going to give her a pass. I really think that they thought she would get the questions like Barack Obama got. What enchants you, what enlightens you more.

And they didn't do that. To the media's credit, I mean, they didn't follow up as Eric points out. But I think they are probably spinning this now to her saying, at least, Mrs. Clinton we got it out of the way. We checked the box, we got out of the way. I disagree, though. This gives people the opportunity to run these clips over and over and over.

BECKEL: Yes, but I'll tell you this is -- obviously, these clips are by committee. The book is by committee. This is what happens to front runners. They get very cautious. And you can't get cautious.

GUILFOYLE: Well, listen, this is the math, OK? This did not help at all. This shows she's not equipped like mentally at this point.
Psychologically, I think she's not on her best game.

So, if this is what we're going to get for somebody as a future, potentially, commander in chief, it's not looking good. They're going to run this sound day in and day out, all these things.

PERINO: A long campaign.

GUIFOYLE: It is a long campaign and I think she should pull the plug on some of the interviews. Wait until the midterm elections, regroup, get
in a new team and make over and --

PERINO: OK. I got to bring this up because this just happened this afternoon, a couple of hours ago, the IRS made a revelation to the House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp that, Eric, apparently, they
have lost two years' worth of Lois Lerner emails --

BOLLING: Oh, my God. They don't lose anything.

PERINO: And also, the time period that they lost them, between January of 2009 and April of 2011. Do you believe it?

BOLLING: So, what was going on then? Maybe there was something to do about targeting of conservatives. They don't lose anything.

I have a receipt that I claimed, you know, four years ago. They somehow find that one and say, no, that's -- you know, you're off by a dollar. You owe $4 in taxes.

This is a joke. This is just -- actually, it's kind of disgusting.

PERINO: Instead of pleading the Fifth, they have now pled ignorance and incompetence.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Heavy duty shredder in there, forensic files shredder.

BECKEL: I think you are being terribly unfair. The IRS says it was a computer crash. Look, you had a computer crash with Obamacare. Maybe they need to change computer people.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, sweet and innocent.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: What do you think could have happened?

I mean, people are -- there's already a feeling of anger across the country about the government incompetence, but this one do you think it will pass muster.

TANTAROS: It depends on if the news media outside of this show and this network and other conservative outlets cover this. They've seemed to give up. Remember, President Obama thinks this is all phony and they -- I mean, maybe they figure, because they had such a hard time rolling out the Obamacare Web site, that they could use the, we have computer problems issue.

But the dog ate my homework on this one?

PERINO: Maybe this is how President Obama knew there was not a smidgeon of corruption, because they couldn't find the smidgeon of anything.

GUILFOYLE: By the way, they can retrieve these files --

BOLLING: How about let's get the NSA to find these files? They find everything else. They have it all backed up everywhere.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: I think that they're being disappointed if we'll find out that the NSA really wasn't effective as we thought.

OK. Eric's fastest seven -- is it seven? -- is next. OK, it's a Father's Day edition featuring Chris Christie doing some awkward dad dances, and Bush 43 saluting his dad 41 after that sky dive yesterday.

Stay tuned.

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BOLLING: Well, the "Fastest Seven-ish" rides again today. Three Dad Day stories, seven dashing minutes, one proud dad as your host.

First up, Governor Chris Christie has kept a low profile in the aftermath of the Bridge-gate scandal, but the man wants to be president, so he had to come out of the news closet at some point.

Last night, the governor came out in a big Chris Christie way with Jimmy Fallon doing the "Evolution of Dad Dancing" skit.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(MUSIC)

GRAPHIC: The "Belt Grabber." The "Lawn Mower." The "We Think We're Doing the Same Dance, But We're Not." The "We Won the Game!" The "Republican Convention." The "Democratic Convention."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Bob, you used to dance. Did you dance like that?

BECKEL: No. The other thing is I would strongly suggest that he get a pair of pants that fits his waist now. That takes a lot of guts. I'll give him that. I mean, I -- I was stunned.

BOLLING: Early in that segment, you said he can dance. Do you want to take that back after the last part?

GUILFOYLE: Well, just move was a little troubling. But there was some nice rhythm and center, you know -- center mass torso movement there.
No, it was good. I keep -- he's got some moves. I was kind of digging it.
I just would lower his pants a little.

BOLLING: Ands, good idea or bad idea to do that?

TANTAROS: I think it's a funny idea. I think it's a good idea. We haven't seen him in a long time, and I will say, he looks great. Like the lost a Backstreet Boy. And he has rhythm. And that's how dads dance. And those are dad pants.

PERINO: They really are.

BOLLING: I'm going to pushback on your "he has rhythm." I just don't...

TANTAROS: No, he does. They are shaking around. Dana.

PERINO: From a political communications standpoint I'm old-fashioned and traditional. I think if you want to be president, you don't want to be doing that.

However, I think it's really smart, and he looked -- one of the things that matters is are they likeable? And he has everybody laughing and...

BOLLING: Good point. Good point.

Next up, President Bush 41 turned 91 yesterday; celebrated by skydiving. Listen to President Bush 43 talk about his daddy in a real heartwarming light.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think it's pretty daring for a 90-year-old to jump out of a helicopter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What has he taught you?

BUSH: He's taught me to live life to the fullest and to maintain your integrity and to keep values central to your life, such as the importance of our family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you love a man any more?

BUSH: No. No. He is an awesome man.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: D, you take it first. Genuine love there.

PERINO: The whole thing, and I loved that they're in Maine and they're right there by Walker's Point, which is where the family gathers in the summer, and it was a great celebration.

BOLLING: Ands?

TANTAROS: He's very lucky to have his father around. Very lucky.

BOLLING: Yes, that's great.

GUILFOYLE: Especially celebrating a birthday and doing it with such, you know, momentous flare. And then, of course, Father's Day coming up this weekend. I think it's very touching. I only wish that he landed on the White House lawn and took over. Put him back in.

BECKEL: Couldn't you get through that without that?

I -- listen, I have always believed that George H.W. Bush was the last of a breed of really good solid politicians who believe in public service.
And so I think it was...

GUILFOYLE: An American patriot, too.

BECKEL: I wouldn't do that thing at 20.

BOLLING: All right. Quick round on this one finally. Father's Day is Sunday, and a new report out says on Father's Day dads don't get treated nearly as well as moms get treated on Mother's Day. The report ends with a loud and a clear "Duh."

Twelve and a half billion bucks for Dad. A whopping 20 billion dollar
-- make me holler -- for Mom.

GUILFOYLE: Mamas rule.

BOLLING: Mama gets (UNINTELLIGIBLE) over there, right?

GUILFOYLE: He only gets paid in presents and kisses. And -- yes, no, it's very nice. But you know, I've got mad love for my dad, too, and for men, so I just, you know, I think they should both get treated well. I'm for equal pay and equal presents.

BECKEL: I don't care if they spend as much money on us as they do on their mothers. Just stop using us for ATM machines. I mean, just for a day. That would be the -- kids, my son and my daughter, here's an idea.
Don't push the four buttons tomorrow, or Sunday. That would be great. I love you both very much, but you're very expensive

BOLLING: Dana, you treat them both equally, Mom and Dad?

PERINO: I think so, but now that I'm saying it, now I think that my sister and I split a present that will be there on Monday. Sorry.

BOLLING: Right.

PERINO: You're usually so organized.

BOLLING: Dads get the short end of the stick, no?

PERINO: I think dads -- but dads kind of expect it.

BOLLING: Right, right.

PERINO: Dads aren't disappointed.

TANTAROS: I think most moms raise the bar, and dads don't. But I remember we used to get my dad gifts, and we'd have cards, and he was too busy working to open the cards. And they would sit there for a week. And then we're like, "We'll just keep them till next year."

We also got him gardening tools. Or we'd get him machinery or something like that.

BECKEL: That was very helpful.

TANTAROS: Well, I got him one from one of these infomercials. I won't say which one it is. And it was so bad and terrible that he was like...

BECKEL: I bet it was the walk-in (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

TANTAROS: ... "Really? You got me this?" He goes, "By the time I plant the tomatoes, it's going to be the end of the season. Please, send it back."

PERINO: Oh, that one.

BECKEL: You know that Mother's Day is the largest call volume of any day of the year.

BOLLING: Twenty billion dollars to moms on Mother's Day.

GUILFOYLE: It's easy to order flowers for moms. Dads are tougher.

TANTAROS: Yes, they are.

BOLLING: We're going to -- yes, what do you get?

PERINO: That's the thing. What do you want?

BOLLING: Tonight I -- you know what I want?

PERINO: What do you want?

BOLLING: "I love you, Dad." That's all.

PERINO: See, that's what I'm saying. You're a cheap date.

BOLLING: Tonight on Fox, make sure you catch the "Bush Family Album"
special hosted by Brit Hume. That's 10 p.m. Eastern.

Speaking of fathers, does it bother anyone when dads-to-be say, "We're pregnant"? It bothers actress Mila Kunis, who's expecting her first child with Ashton Kutcher. She goes off on that next.

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TANTAROS: Well, Ashton Kutcher is about to be a father for the first time. And he better not say these two words in front of the mother of his
child: "We're pregnant." And you're about to see why. Here's his fiancee, the actress Mila Kunis.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My wife and I are pregnant. We're having a baby very soon as well.

MILA KUNIS, ACTRESS: Oh, you both are having a baby?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

KUNIS: You and your wife are pregnant?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

KUNIS: Stop saying, "We're pregnant." You're not pregnant. When you wake up and throw up, is it because you're nurturing a human life? No.
It's because you had too many shots of tequila. We can't have anything, because we've got your little love goblin growing inside of us. All you did was roll over and fall asleep. You're not pregnant. We are.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: All right. So is it actually that big of a deal, Kimberly?
Or is it kind of cute when men say it, because they're really into it?

GUILFOYLE: No. It's not cute at all.

TANTAROS: You don't like it?

GUILFOYLE: No, no, no, no. They know what they did. And I mean come on, I was pregnant. I was pregnant. It wasn't we were pregnant. You're the one doing the heavy lifting, literally, and having your stomach go out here. The boobs go up to here and your butt to go out to there. And that's all I've got to say.

TANTAROS: So "we" don't have big butt. "We" don't have stretch marks, Bob. "We" don't get mood swings, just the woman. The man has a very small role in the beginning.

BECKEL: Well, I think people vastly under appreciate what a man has to do to get the process started. It's a very difficult thing for him.
He's got a rough night.

And secondly, he's got to put up with his old lady when she starts getting these mood swings. And you've got to go out and get ice cream at 5.

TANTAROS: And rough to feed.

BECKEL: And I think we are in it together. We're in it for the long haul. And I just -- we look a little different.

GUILFOYLE: Bob -- Bob, see, Bob is -- would you want to say "We're
pregnant"?

BOLLING: Here's the deal. No guy in his right mind would say, "We're pregnant." We've only starting doing that to make the woman feel better.
Because she says, "Oh, I'm pregnant, you're not pregnant. Are you with me?
This is going to be me.

The reality is, yes, you'll give birth. Don't give birth, but we'll walk the baby. We'll change the baby. We'll play ball with the baby.
We'll pay the bills for the next 22 years.

BECKEL: Yes, that's it.

GUILFOYLE: Making a lot of assumptions there, Bolling.

BOLLING: Yes, but your job is kind of five or seven hours and then we take over.

BOLLING: Yes. You get the front load. We get the back-end load.

GUILFOYLE: What are you -- what are you talking about?

BOLLING: Birth. Childbirth.

GUILFOYLE: Are you out of your mind? What kind of drive-through birthing situation were you at? You've got to be kidding me.

BECKEL: First of all, which one of the five husbands...

TANTAROS: It's nine months and then sometimes, if you're my mom, 18 hours of pain. They don't know anything.

BECKEL: ... man in the beginning.

PERINO: I really don't have any personal experience, but when Peter and I were getting ready to go pick up Jasper, we would say, "We're getting a puppy."

GUILFOYLE: Exactly. Because you can go buy a dog. But who's giving birth? Who's working that situation out? Yes. Not you, Bolling.

TANTAROS: It's a cute element to men when it is a new thing. And they really want to be, you know, involved in their wives'...

BOLLING: It's either that or they don't want to get yelled at later.

BECKEL: Yes.

TANTAROS: I don't think guys, when we were growing up, would say, "We're pregnant."

GUILFOYLE: When you are with child, get back to me.

BECKEL: My old lady used to throw me out of the bed just by moving around.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God, Bob.

TANTAROS: All right. Still to come, the 2014 World Cup is under way, and despite all the fanfare overseas, soccer fans are few and far between right here at home. Bob has some very interesting things to say about the sport, up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECKEL: The World Cup kicked off yesterday, and eyes around the globe turned to Brazil for the next two weeks. The media and some Americans are excited to see Team USA. Yes, OK. But real Americans -- I knew that. But real Americans know this sport is not only boring, but in fact its un- American.

The only good thing about soccer is "Lalalalalalala." That's only because they haven't watched a game.

Now, listen, I don't want to -- I know a lot of people love soccer. I know I'm going to get a lot of Twitters, like I do all the time, saying what a jerk I am. But the idea that you would wear those euro trash outfits. You wear shorts. I mean, shorts, give me a break.

The only thing these guys could do is run up and down the field. Now granted, we didn't have to run that hard, football team. But at least, when we got behind the defense, we could score a goal. Here you get behind the defense, they give you a red card or a green card, whatever they call it, I mean, and they just -- I don't want to look at them. It's -- how can you watch it? You're watching a whole game, and it goes nil, nil, nil.
That's what the British say. Nil, nil. Nil this. Go ahead, Eric.

BOLLING: I'm not taking the other side of that. I agree with you. I love football too, Bob. That's not football. That's fake football.

BECKEL: Exactly right.

BOLLING: Where people -- well, there's strategy. What's the
strategy in soccer? I mean, there literally is no strategy in soccer.

TANTAROS: Bob, you said you like women's soccer.

BECKEL: No, no, no. Overseas, I think. The game I admire is rugby.
And you know a lot about this, Andrea. I don't want to say this out loud, but Andrea was with the entire British rugby team in Bermuda. And one of them has taking a liking to her.

GUILFOYLE: Bob. Do you realize what you just said?

BECKEL: Some guy fell in love with her and has been trying to -- sends rugby things over.

GUILFOYLE: And he said he wants to marry her, and he's actually famous in a huge...

BECKEL: Didn't you say -- somebody said you, the whole British rugby team is in the other room, and you walked in there. And this one guy starts going like a laser.

BECKEL: You tell me that. I'm sorry. To the guy, you've got no chance.

PERINO: Can I make a point about this soccer thing?

BECKEL: Yes, please.

PERINO: You are upset about America's standing in the world, right?

BECKEL: Yes.

PERINO: So don't you think it would behoove you to stop dumping on the sport played by most of the rest of the world? And loved by all sorts of other people.

And another thing I would say, is that I know American men don't like soccer so much. But there are a lot of American men who could stand to run around the field for 90 minutes.

BECKEL: Ah. OK. That's the second one. OK. Good. Fine. Thank you.

Go ahead. Did you speak yet about your rugby player?

TANTAROS: No, Bob, you actually took the words right out of my mouth.
I love soccer, but I have developed a very recent liking for rugby, yes.

BECKEL: Can we have a picture of this guy? Do we have a picture? We don't, do we? I'm sorry. OK.

TANTAROS: No, Bob.

BECKEL: All right, all right. I think he's a good choice, and rugby is a tough game. I mean, people have -- they actually hit each other. You don't go around and go...

GUILFOYLE: So you're saying real men play rugby? Give blood, play rugby. I like it.

BECKEL: It's fine. I mean, women's -- women's soccer is fine, you know. Some jerseys are pretty good.

GUILFOYLE: I like some soccer players. I mean, they're like...

BECKEL: And you know...

GUILFOYLE: I think soccer players are hot.

BECKEL: All you've got to think about is that Brian Kilmeade is the soccer guru of the entire Fox News Channel and look at him. And look at him. I mean, I love him to death.

GUILFOYLE: Well, he's a soccer coach of a very successful winning team and...

BECKEL: He's 5'6" and about 120 pounds.

GUILFOYLE: And his son is an amazing soccer player.

BECKEL: I'm sure he is. My daughter's a great soccer player, but I
mean, who wants to run around for 90 minutes?

GUILFOYLE: I do. For good soccer.

TANTAROS: You like watching good soccer (ph) for the reason we like watching men's soccer.

BECKEL: I like women's beach volleyball.

TANTAROS: The men -- the men run around. You like watching the women run around.

BOLLING: Now, there's strategy.

BECKEL: There's strategy there. No kidding. I'm telling you,
there's -- people underestimate that. All right. I guess I've now got myself millions of more people hating me. But that's all right.

TANTAROS: Including me.

BECKEL: yes, including myself. "One More Thing" is up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing." Bob is so immature.

OK, Bolling.

BOLLING: He's going to like this one. OK. So it's Friday, so it's time for "Fool of the Week."

All righty. So today we learned that Chelsea Clinton earned $600,000 a year for the years '11, I believe '12 and '13 from NBC News. Now to put that in perspective, the average news person makes $39,400; "The New York Times" executive editor made $475,000,; President Obama made 400 grand.
Chelsea getting 600 grand. Thumbs up to you, Chelsea. Good job for looking that down, but that makes NBC News this week's "Fool of the Week."

GUILFOYLE: Ay-yi-yi.

Ms. Perino, what do you have for us today?

PERINO: I have something exciting. I want to talk about Thanks USA.
Now, this is a group that provides scholarships to children and spouses of active-duty military personnel. And they are just starting to accept applications for next -- the next academic year.

And to promote this Rachel and Kelsey Oaken, they are twins from McLean, Virginia, made a little rap video about the Constitution. I thought Eric would like it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here comes the bill, the Bill of Rights, ten great reasons why...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: I look really short today. I should stand up.

GUILFOYLE: You've got to boost yourself up.

PERINO: Why do I look so short?

GUILFOYLE: You're not sitting on your pillow.

PERINO: I guess it's because Greg is not year.

GUILFOYLE: Aw.

PERINO: Relatively, I look shorter.

TANTAROS: But Andrea is. You don't look that short.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Tantaros, double leg. Let's go.

TANTAROS: OK. I am honored and humbled to be asked -- I was recently asked not just to run out with some of the athletes at Special Olympics this Sunday but opening ceremonies. They've asked me to co-host on Sunday at the Prudential Center.

The national games are in New Jersey. So Governor Christie will be there. Maybe dancing, maybe not. But if you want to watch the athletes come out from all 50 states, it will be streaming live on 2014SpecialOlympics.org at 4 p.m. And then the games will be running all week long on Fox Sports 1, as 20th Century Fox, the parent company of this network, is a primary sponsor. So I'm very excited.

GUILFOYLE: Cool.

PERINO: And you've been involved with them for a long time.

TANTAROS: Yes. My younger brother participated in the equestrian portion.

PERINO: Nice. I love it. Very, very good.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, we've got something a little special for you.
If you want to get some more about O.J. Simpson, the anniversary of the double homicide. Greta Van Susteren is going to take you inside, behind the scenes of this. It's 7 p.m. tonight, "Greta Investigates O.J.
Simpson." You're going to -- take a look. Get some new insights, some stuff that you might not have known before. And that's going to be on the Fox News Channel.

BECKEL: OK, first, I've got to say, first of all, I didn't want to leave the impression here that Andrea was down, that was -- and that was not the idea. They were all attracted to her and one guy particularly.
That was what I was trying to say. And you can understand, she's beautiful. So that's why...

GUILFOYLE: The star of the team, by the way.

BECKEL: Let me take another thing. "One More Thing," for those of you think that Dana Perino is a soft-spoken, quiet western woman who's full of values and just doesn't bug people and just very sweet. I want you to look at this clip from yesterday, please.

PERINO: I would prefer to listen to the generals than to somebody who hasn't been in government in years any day.

BECKEL: OK. Boom! Had some...

GUILFOYLE: Bob.

BECKEL: OK, good. Now who do you think she was talking about? And it was a blow to the solar plexus. I was -- I fell down, and she says to me in the green room before we start, she said, "I felt so bad about that."

And I said, "You don't have to feel bad." Now she comes out to you and says, "You know, some men can go out there and stand and run around the field." Now who do you think she was talking about? That's No. 1.

PERINO: You're being sensitive. You're right, I apologize. I shouldn't have been mean to Bob.

GUILFOYLE: What a nice little group we have here on a Friday. So we want to wish all the fathers out here a very happy Father's Day on Sunday.
Bob and Eric, we hope you have a great one. We'll see you right back here Monday.

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