This is a rush transcript from "The Five," June 12, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.
It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."
Well, America, have you heard? The world is safer than ever.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The world is less violent than it's ever been. It is healthier than it's ever been. It is more tolerant than it's ever been.
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TANTAROS: And, of course, the president and his V.P. have also told us that al Qaeda is on the run.
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OBAMA: There should be no doubt, today America is stronger and al Qaeda is on the path to defeat. We decimated al Qaeda's leadership.
Al Qaeda is on the path to defeat and bin Laden is dead.
JOSEPH BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We decimated al Qaeda central. We have eliminated Osama bin Laden.
OBAMA: Al Qaeda is much weaker than it was when I came into office.
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TANTAROS: But al Qaeda is hardly on the path to defeat. The terror network has just retaken two major cities in Iraq and is on the march to Baghdad.
Remember when Joe Biden said Iraq would be one of this administration's greatest achievements?
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BIDEN: I'm very optimistic about Iraq. I think it's going to be one of the great achievements of this administration.
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TANTAROS: But today, as the country falls apart, Obama was forced to acknowledge this.
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OBAMA: Iraq is going to need more help. It's going to need more help from us and it's going to need more help from the international community.
I don't rule out anything because we do have a stake in making sure that these jihadists are not getting a permanent foothold in either Iraq or Syria.
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TANTAROS: Too late.
Iraq is getting some help but not much from us.
Iran has deployed members of its Revolutionary Guard to Iraq to try to conquer al Qaeda.
All right. Dana, I go to you first on this one. The president says that we're going to be getting involved. This is after he's telegraphed our timetable of when we're leaving, he's ignored military advice of how many troops to keep in the country, he's told us al Qaeda is on the run -- falling apart at the seams, number of cities.
What should the U.S. do? What can he do?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, one of the things that we could do is to fulfill the -- one of the promises President Obama made, which was for air cover. And that is something that the prime minister of Iraq asked for. It does feel -- everything that I come to in terms of a solution at this point feels a little too little, too late.
In 2011, Denis McDonough of the administration said that Iraq was ready. And that they were ready to take over, everything was going to be fine.
The thing about the global war on terror is that I understand wanting to get out, but not leaving behind a residual force it that was large enough in order to help them transitioning an Iraq that could keep terrorists at bay. Now, we have a situation that is actually worse than the status quo before 2003.
And I'm dismayed. I'm upset for the Iraqis. I'm worried for the United States and for all of the innocent people who are there, who are having to flee because of this morphing of al Qaeda. A lot of this goes back to the decisions in Syria and our decisions as a country, President Obama decided not to enforce his red line and I think that all of these things can be traced right back to that decision.
TANTAROS: Dana makes a great point. We took Iraq from the Baathists. We now lost thousands of lives, thousands of people are maimed and disabled, Greg, and we turned it over to al Qaeda.
GUTFELD: This past month is amazing. President Obama's got the opposite of a Midas touch. Everything he touches turns to poop. I say it can't get much worse, but he'd take that as a challenge.
He doesn't rule out anything but action. He realizes that radical Islam cannot be house-trained. There's only one thing we can do. It is time for us to close the gate, to batten down the hatches, to frack the hell out of this place.
We need to make our country as impenetrable as Obama's skull, because right now, there's chaos all over the world. We're the only sane people left. It's time -- it's time to look out for us, and it's time to make our borders a national defense issue.
Kevin Williamson wrote a great piece about this. It's the only thing that separates us from the hordes at this point is making sure they can't get in.
TANTAROS: And, Eric, the president has told us, al Qaeda is on the run. He seems to think because we've gotten bin Laden, the whole situation is fine and dandy. And he did telegraph, we're leaving at this time line. So, they know that we're leaving.
Today, breaking news a number of Americans are air-lifted out of Iraq.
Let me get you to react to Colonel Ralph Peters. He says the jihadis are officially winning.
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LT. COL. RALPH PETERS (RET), FOX NEWS STRATEGISC ANALYST: In the Middle East, the United States is now in its weakest position since 1945, and the birth of the modern Middle East. Jihadis are winning because they are willing to it die for their fanatical cause.
We are facing a problem if not caused as I believe, at least exacerbated by Obama's dilatory incompetence.
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TANTAROS: President Obama making it worse.
GUTFELD: That's a great line.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yes, a couple of observations. I'm profoundly saddened by what's going on in Iraq. We lost a lot of bodies, a lot of lives, a lot of American kids there. We spent a ton of money there. And now, it feels like it's all going away very quickly.
I'm going to agree with Greg with the oil. I think what we really need to do is it become self-sufficient on oil. Look what happened today with just what's going on so far, oil prices spiked to $106 a barrel, $2, and then will continue if they do take the southern port, where the oil exportation happens.
I'm going to disagree a little bit here with Dana. I think we did what we were supposed to do in Syria because, again, this ISIS group is a rebel group, not very much unlike the SOC group which we backed. So, there's a group that we actually said, John McCain said, yes, we should let the rebels in Syria, we should back them with some military support, with some money, with some weaponry.
And then this ISIS group, do you realize these two groups are fighting arm in arm together against Bashar al Assad in Syria?
My point is, don't get involved with these confrontations, don't loan money, give bodies, sacrifice human beings, Americans, for some of these things until we know exactly who we're fighting for and who we're fighting with. So, I think, in one sense I think we made some moves right and we made some mistakes.
PERINO: I'll pass on that. Bob, who's huffing and puffing over there --
TANTAROS: I was going to say, I don't know. I don't know which -- you're both making a similar face for different reasons. I'll let Bob's look of disgust take it away.
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: I just want to -- there's so much revisionism going on here, that first of all, there never were Islamic radicals in Mosul and Tikrit. They came in after the Baathists. Saddam Hussein kept that country in pretty good shape. He was our ally remember against the Iranians?
So, I'm going to draw on the fact that I was opposed to this war in the beginning or a lot of this was predicted a long time ago. But the Iranians were the ones who rose up and the Iranians are where these people are coming from and the Iranians themselves -- the idea that the Revolutionary Guard would be in Iraq -- I mean, Saddam Hussein would have mowed them all down. But we made Iran into a big country.
This isn't something the president lost. I mean, what are we going to do? We're going to stay there for 40 years?
GUTFELD: We did that with Korea.
BECKEL: Well, that was --
GUTFELD: We did it with Japan.
BECKEL: That was by treaty. There's not a fight -- there hasn't been a fight over there as far as I know.
GUTFELD: Look what we did for Japan. Look what we did for Korea.
BECKEL: Do you want us to stay in Iraq for 40 years?
GUTFELD: That's what we used to do.
BECKEL: Well, for what?
GUTFELD: That's what we used to do. We don't do it anymore. Fine.
BECKEL: That was a World War. This is not a World War.
GUTFELD: What is it, then?
PERINO: It's not a global war on terror?
BECKEL: We -- Iraq is gone.
PERINO: -- serious conversation, talk about revisionist history.
BECKEL: What's revisionist --
PERINO: And the other thing, everybody forgets that on 9/11, one of the keys was to try to prevent a place where terrorists would have a safe haven to plot and plan. They're not going to stay within one border. They don't even think there is a border now. That's what this group declared today, that the border between Iraq and Syria no longer exists, going back to the Ottoman Empire.
And I think that we are foolish to think that we can just pretend like nothing is happening, shut down, just focus within here, because where they have a safe haven to plot and plan, you can't drone that out of a state like that.
BECKEL: And it's also -- the idea that the United States turned -- they can't bomb -- use American air power in Mosul because a lot of civilians will get killed. And that's what they want --
PERINO: The government of Iraq did not want a lot of civilians to get killed.
BECKEL: Obviously, they didn't, but they asked for us to bomb --
PERINO: We're moving down on Mosul.
BECKEL: I was going to make this point, but I think I will -- the first city that was turned over, the safe, most secure city to the Iraqi military was in 2008, in a big ceremony saying we've now got these people trained. It's the one safe place you can have.
Now, the fact of the matter is, back then anybody who followed this would have predicted this was going to happen. Iraq is gone. It's going to fall apart.
PERINO: That's not true. It's actually the generals who told President Obama, if you don't follow through, that's what will happen. Now, it's what was predicted.
BECKEL: Follow through on what?
PERINO: Follow through on the status of forces agreement which President Obama failed to sign. And they said this is exactly what would happen. I would prefer to listen to the generals than to somebody who hasn't been in government in years any day.
BOLLING: So, can I ask you this then, Bob? Let's extrapolate this now with Afghanistan.
BECKEL: OK, there's a good shot.
BOLLING: So, President Obama is --
PERINO: You take shots constantly, Bob. You sit there and act like everything from 1978 is still relevant today after 9/11.
BECKEL: And I'm -- I think you're suggesting 9/11 seems to be the rationale for everything we do.
BOLLING: Can I ask you this, though? All right. So, Afghanistan, right? President Obama has now declared that by 2015-2016, we will be completely out of Afghanistan.
BOLLING: By your own admission, it's a mistake.
BECKEL: No, I don't think it's a mistake. I don't think we should be there at all.
PERINO: But you don't deal with reality.
BOLLING: It's too late. We are there.
BECKEL: What does it matter? If I could borrow --
PERINO: You just want to leave.
BECKEL: Why does it matter?
PERINO: Why do you keep putting Hillary Clinton back in the spotlight by repeating a ridiculous --
BECKEL: I like the word.
PERINO: It doesn't help Hillary Clinton at all.
BECKEL: All right. Fine. But why are we in Afghanistan?
BOLLING: Let's be -- we're there. So the question is, do you turn it over to the Afghanis and risk what's going on in Iraq? Or do you stay?
BECKEL: Do you stay for 50 years? Is that what --
BOLLING: I'm asking you, Bob?
BECKEL: It's time for us -- leaving Special Forces into the border with Pakistan and let the rest of it go because it's going to fall apart. How much history do you need to see? I don't care how old I am and how long ago --
TANTAROS: Can I half agree with you? You have a little bit of support here.
I supported going into Iraq. I did. When they went in and they did not find WMDs, they should have said, OK, given the keys to the highest ranking military official and said, if you support terrorism, if you become a threat to our country, we will be back. We would have been fear and respected leader.
Instead, this is my issue. Paul Bremer sent the Iraqi military home, tried to privatize a lot of different regions and that's what's caused the insurgency.
President Obama campaigned against all of these things, didn't listen to military advice on it, telegraphed when we're leaving. So, there's a number of mistakes that were made.
So, I half agree with you. I'm not into staying there forever, I'm not into democracy building, but I do agree with why we went in the first place.
BECKEL: You're exactly right about Bremer. We also remember, we were going to Iraq not to nation-build. And when Bremer decided for whatever power he had to disband the Iraqi military was just the most ridiculous --
TANTAROS: I agree.
BECKEL: All he did was turn them into radicals. The country is lost and so is Afghanistan.
GUTFELD: The country is lost. It's the United States. We have vets dying in hospitals. We've got children amassing on the borders. We have an entire region imploding. We've got terrorists being released like doves.
Can we create a golden parachute for President Obama, just early retirement? He's got two more years, Bob. What he is going to do next?
BECKEL: The things you talk about are domestic U.S. issues and they should be dealt with. What in the world are we going to do with Afghanistan? Why do we care? They beat the Russians, they beat the British. I mean, come on.
GUTFELD: Well, that's what I'm saying, you look to our border.
BECKEL: That's right. Fine.
BOLLING: Do you guys realize what today is? Today is the 27th anniversary of Ronald Reagan's "tear down the wall" speech. Look at it that way. On one hand, Ronald Reagan, tear down the wall, making the world a safer place.
On the other hand, President Obama and Chuck Hagel going, I don't know what to do.
GUTFELD: You know what they did? They went on Twitter to register their disapproval. The only strikes they approve of are on a keyboard.
BECKEL: Why do we have the responsibility to take care of Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place? Why do we have that?
GUTFELD: Why do we have the responsibility to take care of anybody?
BECKEL: Well, that's a better point, except for ourselves.
PERINO: No, I think everybody is missing the point. The reason that you're there is to help protect America. That's my opinion.
And the fact that we have spent this segment talking about something that happened 12 years ago totally gives President Obama a pass on what he is responsible for in the last two years and what he is going to do now. That's what I think the discussion should be held and hopefully, there will be others that have a chance to do it.
TANTAROS: I think the way the country is falling, it will be continued.
GUTFELD: His incompetence has become his expertise.
TANTAROS: America's most well-known, serial skydiver made this pledge back in 2012.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think you're done with skydiving?
GEORGE H.W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT: No. I've got one more left. June 12th, 2014.
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TANTAROS: And today, former President George H.W. Bush did just that on his 90th birthday, skydiving again for the eighth time. So, stay tuned for 41's big jump and an interview with the Army sergeant who jumped along with him, only on "The Five."
Back in a minute.
BOLLING: Well, welcome back.
Immigration has become top of the fold news lately as illegals are storming across our southern boarder. The question remains, what should we do? Amnesty, secure the border, other reforms?
Some surprising twists and turns on immigration among top 2016 presidential hopefuls, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz in a second. But Hillary Clinton turned some heads by going a little tougher on illegals than you'd expect from a far left liberal.
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HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: Eric Cantor, the second ranking Republican in the House, was defeated by a candidate who basically ran against immigrants. And his argument was this, there are Americans out of work, so why should we allow immigrants into our country to take those jobs? And I think that's a fair question.
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BOLLING: All right. Ands, you want to take a little surprise out of the former first lady.
TANTAROS: You know, at first I thought, what is she saying? Earlier this week, she was dead broke, then she couldn't remember who Abe Lincoln was, then she thought the five terrorists aren't going to be a threat. So, I thought, maybe she's I don't know, a little out to lunch.
But then I thought, this is classic Clinton. She is planning to outflank everybody, even Republicans on this. And this is the one thing that she learned from her husband, and they do it very well. They're very skilled at this, especially in the '90s.
They come up with an idea. They get Republicans to come out in favor of it. Then they go after the Republicans, like welfare reform. Then when Republicans pass it, they sign it and take credit for it.
With immigration reform, I think what she's doing -- she's looking at the polls, talking with her husband, and she is abandoning losing arguments.
Majority of the country a little nervous about this immigration reform bill and they co-opt winning one. That's what the Clintons are doing. They're very good at it.
BOLLING: Bob, you seem surprised she said that. Do you think there's anything -- maybe Karl Rove. No. Anyway, your thoughts on her comments.
BECKEL: It's staggering to me to go on the air and say that Cantor lost because of immigration when every piece of data we have had nothing to do with immigration. In fact, there was support for immigration in his district.
How she could go out there and say that -- I mean, maybe she wanted to flank people on immigration, but you don't do it in the face, use him as an example of somebody who's just absolutely wrong.
BOLLING: How about where she stands on immigration, saying he may have been right on some of the --
BECKEL: I assume she's -- Andrea is right. She's trying to move to the center.
But the point is, you're going to do that, you don't do it by citing wrong facts. I mean, that Cantor example is just plain dumb.
TANTAROS: They've been citing wrong facts for decades.
PERINO: Well, you know who she has advising her during the book tour. Dude. Remember dude?
TANTAROS: Dude --
PERINO: I don't know if the analysis is that sharp and being passed on to her.
Eric, what I think is that I think she is repeating something that is poll- tested and that they have realized that the American people on immigration are looking at what is happening at the border right now and saying, we're not for that. And so, she's trying to figure out -- I think they've got a little bit of nibble of what they thought might be something where she could get some support on a broad basis. That's why she said it.
BOLLING: You want Hillary or you want Ted Cruz?
GUTFELD: I -- go ahead, go ahead. Yes.
BOLLING: Let's do Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz who knows who to blame, el presidente. Listen.
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SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: This is a humanitarian crisis, and it is the direct result of President Obama's lawlessness and unwillingness to enforce the law. And President Obama unilaterally and illegally granting amnesty to some 800,000 people that were here illegally who came as children. And what that has prompted is parents throughout Central and South America giving their young children, handing them over to the smugglers.
It is horrific and it's because the president won't enforce the law. Our hearts should be breaking. And the answer is to start enforcing the law.
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GUTFELD: Typical Canadian.
GUTFELD: Well, actually, you know, it's interesting. If you think about it that people who are fleeing here aren't coming from Canada. They're coming -- they're leaving their home, which is hard to do because their homes are horrible.
The good news is Obama is going to make this country so bad that they're going to stop coming.
I don't think this is a jobs issue. I think -- to cite Kevin Williamson. It's not job. It's jihad.
The border and Baghdad are the same issue. And I think that's what's going to unite Democrat and Republican voters. When they're seeing this horrible thing unfold, these poor people en masse down there, this gives visualization to illegal immigration people didn't have before. This is telling people -- damn, Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He didn't give them the green light. He fired the starter pistol.
BOLLING: Can I just ask, this is important, Bob. How did this all of a sudden happen? How do we have 50,000 or 60,000 people -- kids -- coming across the border in buses? I don't know, I spend a lot of time reading. This kind of snuck up on me, how did this happen? What's going on?
BECKEL: First of all --
GUTFELD: They've been sent over to military bases.
TANTAROS: They think they're going to get amnesty, right? There's all this talk of giving amnesty to anchor babies. Jay Carney comes out and says the border is secure, again getting it wrong. That's why Hillary is a genius. She hasn't weighed in on this immigration debate, so all she has to say is, no, no, we must secure the borders, and then do some type of piecemeal smart immigration reform and she's outmaneuvered, I would argue, even a lot of Republicans.
BECKEL: I understand that. But I make a point to Ted Cruz -- when he said Obama did not obey the law, not a single employer in his state, which is the largest employer of illegal, undocumented workers, has ever been tried under the Reagan bill of immigration in '86.
And for Ted Cruz to stand there and blame Obama, take care of your own people. I would bet you have contributors who hire illegals all the time. You probably hire illegals and I like you Teddy.
BOLLING: All right. I promise I have to do this. Can I just please read that tweet? Guys, can you go back in the script, let me read, I promised it in the tease. Senator Rand Paul criticized as pro-amnesty. In a piece by "The Washington Times," the senator pushed back hard via Twitter, saying my position is what it always has been -- real border security necessary before any reform. I will not let sloppy journalists characterized my position as amnesty. It is simply untrue.
PERINO: You put that all in 140 characters?
BOLLING: No, it's two tweets. I combined two together.
GUTFELD: But the reason why this is happening is that the world knows our flaw. We have a president who believes that borders are bigotry, that borders are mean, that having locks on your window is rude.
BOLLING: They know!
GUTFELD: They know that.
GUTFELD: They do. They know!
BECKEL: Most of these 11 million or 12 million people got here in the last 30 years. I understand that. But can you -- can somebody explain to me why not one, as far as I know, employer who hires these people goes to jail?
TANTAROS: Bob, you have admitted that immigration reform is a good way to secure the base of the Democratic Party. Maybe that's another reason the doors aren't locked?
BOLLING: Hold that thought. We've got to go. Porter now -- and Porter yelling on my ear right now. Birthday boy, George H.W. Bush celebrates his 90th in one of the coolest ways possible, the former president has no fear and was out skydiving again today. You're going to see it, coming up.
GUTFELD: So Yahoo! News, which is news for yahoos, reports that there have been 74 school shootings since Sandy Hook, a statistic that has the luxury of being unburdened by fact.
As Charles C. Johnson points out, some of these shootings didn't occur on campuses, and fewer than seven were listed as -- were mass shootings, and one probably didn't exist.
The 74 lie comes from Michael Bloomberg's anti-gun group, which got there by counting all sorts of stuff. CNN took it apart, concluding there were 15, not 74 of these shootings.
Now, before you say 15 is still too much, if that's true, then why exaggerate? By inflating statistics, you magnify the distrust already present in a public who sense your fibs are leading to force. Distorting tragedy to push for sweeping reform prevents real progress from stopping madmen.
Here's some facts. Crime has been dropping for decades. Mass shootings haven't gone up.
What you can glean from recent shootings, however, is one root cause: us. The copycat killers of recent times were obsessed with prior themes. Sandy Hook with the Norway guy, others with Columbine. The desire for infamy, the same as fame in our sad culture, is handed out like free cheese from a mindless media who fail to see the connection. I do.
Remember this cover? He was the bomb. And yet, we're shamed by our president, who says we have to do some soul searching. He's arrogantly wrong, but how is that news?
So the thing that I don't get, Dana, is, why lie if there are...? I mean, do the lies...
PERINO: Fifteen sounds like a lot.
GUTFELD: Yes, yes. It shows that they have little faith in their argument as John Lott has pointed out.
PERINO: Well, exaggeration can be a boomerang.
PERINO: So it's come back to haunt them. But, you know, yesterday I was on the road traveling, and I heard this statistic repeated three times.
GUTFELD: Yes. It's amazing. It shows, Eric, the laziness of the media that misinformation like this -- well, actually, even the White House, that they just swallow that stat.
BOLLING: You know what stat they forgot?
BOLLING: In the '60s, gun homicides started to rise. In the '70s and '80s, it surged. It peaked in the '90s, and since 1993, gun homicides are down 49 percent in America.
I believe since 1993, as well, gun laws have become more and more stringent in America. So why do they continue to point out shootings, mass shootings when the real number that matters is homicides per 100,000 human beings in any given municipality. And that's been on the -- on the fall in all places, with the exception of places like Chicago and other places where it's the most difficult to get your hands on a gun.
BECKEL: It's a little bit of apples and oranges. Here's the problem with this 74 number. Parents are afraid after these school shootings. Right? They're very -- they're worried about their kids.
I don't care how -- in a safe school district...
BECKEL: ... it lasts for a long time. And they're worried about their kids. The idea of saying there's 74 of these going on, which is a lot. I mean, 15 is a lot but 74, if you're a parent sitting there and you listen to this thing, you're going to believe it. Right? And say, "God, that means that there must be an epidemic to these things."
GUTFELD: Yes, yes, yes.
BECKEL: And I think all it does is scare parents all over the country, No. 1.
No. 2, this figure, one of the reasons that I hear what you're saying here, but let's remember that there have been a whole lot of generation of guys put away in jail who were using guns. So I mean, it's not making it any better.
BOLLING: Wait. What?
BECKEL: There are -- there are 2 million people in the federal prison system. A number of those are in there for...
BOLLING: And that's why gun violence is going down?
BOLLING: No new criminals.
BECKEL: No, no. There's a lot of them locked up.
BOLLING: No more bad guys.
GUTFELD: But there's other...
PERINO: Three strikes law.
GUTFELD: Let me -- let me get Andrea in, because we've got to move on. John Lott looked at the stats, and he found that stuff they included were, like, parking lot shootings late at night, gang-style turf wars, suicides - - 40 percent were suicides -- and self-defense. Any incident where shots were fired they put under this. Why are they being so disingenuous?
TANTAROS: Well, Bob brings up fear, and that's the goal. Because if you can scare people, then you can co-opt them to do legislative things what they want you to do, which is shut down guns in this country.
But it's interesting that they cobbled some facts together from the crime statistics.
TANTAROS: Eric brings up Chicago. OK. Here's a number in the '70s. They say 74, right? And 15 is a lot for school shootings. And I don't -- let me just say they're horrible, and they shouldn't happen.
However, 73 shootings this week alone, Greg, in Chicago. To date, 686 to date this year alone in Chicago. New York, 34 this week. This is the lead gun violence story in America that the media doesn't want to tell.
They have become literal shooting ranges, these cities. And the media would rather not tell that story, but then when it's convenient take some of those statistics to make their statistic and package it as a school shooting to scare parents so they can have their gun laws.
BECKEL: And in fairness to these -- these are drug wars that are going on, in Chicago particularly. And that's...
TANTAROS: And so that is not worth reporting?
GUTFELD: We've got to go, guys.
BECKEL: I didn't say that. I'm just saying that we had to keep the concentration where it is.
GUTFELD: We've got stuff coming up.
GUTFELD: George H.W. Bush turned 90 today, and he celebrated it in the sky once again. Stay tuned for the latest dive and the man who took it with him, next.
BASH: He'll forever be 41, but today President George H.W. Bush turned 90, and he has no plans of slowing down. In fact, this morning to celebrate the big day, the president took off again for another skydive, his eighth one.
It took place near his family's summer home in Kennebunkport, Maine. And yes, he landed safely, thanks to the man we're going to talk to now. Sergeant First Class Michael Elliott is a former member of the Army's Golden Knights parachute team. He jumped in tandem with 41 this morning. And he joins us from the site where they landed today.
Sir, let me ask you. How did you get this honor in the first place, sir?
SGT. 1ST CLASS MICHAEL ELLIOTT, JUMPED WITH BUSH 41: You know, I -- this, today was my third jump with our former president, and we've kept a good relationship. I stayed in contact with the family, and after his jump on his 85th birthday, he said when he turned 90, he would jump again. And I told him at that point, "Sir, if you're willing to do it, if I'm around and able to, I would love to be your tandem instructor."
And we got the word, and we prepared and here we are today. And we helped him celebrate his 90th birthday. It was just a joyous occasion.
BOLLING: Sergeant, Eric here. We are all watching in the newsroom. I mean, it was incredible. Everyone stopped, looked up and watched. We were all waiting for that landing. Can you take us through what the instructions were? Looked like a little bit of a bumpy landing. Tell us what you were prepare for, what the president was prepared for.
ELLIOTT: Well, we all know that, you know, our former president is 90 -- 90 years old. At that age, you don't have a lot of strength. And he's also -- he's dealing with other situations, Parkinson's Disease and things like that.
So we knew that the landing would not be perfect. But our main concern was to make sure that he had a safe, enjoyable tandem jump for his birthday. So we did a lot of modifications. I worked with some great companies, Sun Path and Bell Helicopter, to modify his harness to put oxygen on my container so he could have oxygen throughout the entire skydive.
And you know, the landing was not picture-perfect, but he had a smile on his face, which made us smile. And I was just honored to be a part of it.
BECKEL: Did he -- did he wear his trademark socks? This is in honor of his 90th birthday. Can you guys get a picture of the George Bush-style socks? When he jumped, though, he...
ELLIOTT: He did have on his lucky socks.
BECKEL: He did? OK, good. Does he -- he has a hard time walking now, as I understand, right? How do you land when you can't use your legs?
ELLIOTT: Well, you know, of course, as you just stated, he does have a hard time with mobility. So your tandem instructor has to pretty much take the brunt of the landing. We talked about it. We knew what we were up against. We knew there was risk. We did as much we could to mitigate and to make sure that he -- regardless of what happened, it was safe and enjoyable for him.
TANTAROS: Sergeant, did you get nervous at all? I mean, it's not like you're jumping with Greg Gutfeld. I mean, this is really precious cargo. I know it's your third jump, but were you nervous the first time around? Do you still get nervous?
ELLIOTT: Well, absolutely. And you know, if I'm up and about to jump out of an airplane by myself or with someone and I'm not nervous, that means I'm complacent. And you just kind of rely on your skills. You know, 26 years in the military. I served with one of the greatest units in the military, the Paris team (ph). That's why I'm standing here now.
So I trust in what I have learned as a veteran. And I know I'm representing all veterans in the military. So absolutely I was nervous. But I knew I could perform 100 percent.
GUTFELD: Sergeant, I'm still not convinced that wasn't a person in a George Bush mask, but we'll leave it at that for now.
What do you -- how do you deal with somebody like me, who would completely panic coming out and -- I mean, I would soil myself. What do you do -- what do you do when you realize you've got a full-on panic attack going on as you're descending?
ELLIOTT: Well, you know, you have a short amount of time to build trust between the tandem instructor and the passenger. And it's controlled fear. You know, the passenger believes in what you're telling them. They trust in what you're saying. And of course they're going to get nervous. They may have a panic attack. It's up to them to control that fear and believe in the person who's attached to them.
BECKEL: And Sergeant, can I ask you a question? Did you ever jump out of a plane and your chute didn't open up?
PERINO: Obviously not, Bob.
BECKEL: You've got backup chutes, right? Did you ever use your emergency chute? I should have put it that way.
Otherwise you're one hell of a strong guy.
ELLIOTT: I have used my -- I have used my auxiliary -- my reserve parachute.
GUTFELD: That's scary.
PERINO: Sergeant, can I just ask you one last thing. Did President Bush 41 say anything on the way down or when you landed?
ELLIOTT: You know, before the jump he was -- he was really motivated and, you know, just talking about the jump. He had this great smile on his face. And 43 came up and talked to him, and Mrs. Bush came and gave him a big kiss. And he was just celebrating his birthday. He has continued to live.
And he said, you know, just because he's 90 years old doesn't mean you have to stand in a corner. Continue to live and continue to enjoy yourself.
PERINO: Sergeant First Class Mike Elliott, thank you so much for joining us from Kennebunkport today.
And still to come, the soldier who was swapped for five terrorists will be back in the U.S. within hours. What lies ahead for Bowe Bergdahl when he returns. That's next.
BECKEL: After more than five years as a Taliban captive, Bowe Bergdahl is on his way back to the United States. He left Germany a short while ago and is headed for the Brooke Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas.
There's a lot of debate about what should happen now to Bergdahl, if he did, in fact, desert his post in Afghanistan.
Eric, let me ask you. I assume that they're investigating whether he deserted or not, which apparently is a very serious offense. Would you be surprised to see him arrested when he lands in the United States?
BOLLING: I'd be surprised. No, I think they'll do -- you know, they'll do the normal channel of let's find out, let's debrief him. And then try him at some point. I think they have to. They said they're going to.
Very quickly, I know we don't have a lot of time. Yesterday Chuck Hagel said something very important. During the "I don't know, I don't know, I don't know" thing -- episode that he was doing all morning, he said, "I don't know if the Qataris negotiated and paid the Haqqanis."
So in essence, what he basically said is there's a chance -- and I don't know why he would say that -- there's a chance that the Qataris actually paid off the Haqqanis to get Bergdahl back, which means, you know, we deal with the Qataris all the time. We buy oil through Qatar. We have -- there's a very real possibility that we bought Bergdahl back from the terrorists.
BECKEL; Well, I think Qatar is a terrorist country -- I mean, state. And I think Saudi Arabia is, too.
BOLLING: That's illegal. That's profoundly illegal.
BECKEL: Well, you're right. But it's suggesting we separate terrorists from the heads of these governments, which sponsor those terrorists is ridiculous. It's why we've dealt with the Saudis, because we had to buy their oil, but they're basically crooks and supporters of international terrorists. And it's the House of Fahd.
All right, Dana, do you have anything to say?
PERINO: Well, on the fact that he's coming back, I'm sure the family will be very relieved. I hope -- I hope that he is, as well, that he's back. And even if he does have to go through a court-martial after the investigation, at least he is here in the United States where he belongs.
BECKEL: What do you -- do you think he's going to get away with -- get away with, what am I saying? I don't know the facts. But do you think he will not have a trial? Any possibility they'll say, you know, he was right?
TANTAROS: There could be. I mean, I think that he has the protection of President Obama. I don't see him getting put in prison or...
BECKEL: I was going to ask you that.
TANTAROS: I do think there should be a trial, though. Especially because of the revelations that he was dismissed from the U.S. Coast Guard.
And specifically, I would like to know why he was dismissed for psychological reasons and then he was taken by the U.S. Army, which as I understand almost never happens. They're usually just discharged. Was there -- was there a breakdown there?
And even Bergdahl says he's asking the government to reserve judgment. I think he would probably benefit from having a trial.
BECKEL: Greg, you've been turned down from the special forces for psychological reasons. Is there -- do you think this guy will actually spend time in jail?
GUTFELD: It's possible. I mean, I think it's good to have him back. Get him the treatment he needs. Get him a hearing. But focus on the other veterans who are still waiting for treatment. There are millions of them.
It's amazing how -- I feel bad in a way for this guy. Amazing how different this return would have been if Obama hadn't it turned this whole thing into an Obama Rose Garden variety show. It would have been a different thing. We wouldn't be talking about it.
BECKEL: Sure glad I had that block.
"One More Thing" is up next.
TANTAROS: It's now time for "One More Thing." Greg's kicking it off.
GUTFELD: It's from "Red Eye." This it is a collection of my very favorite moments of the coverage of the Dave Brat win a couple of days ago.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Breaking tonight, a stunning defeat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the most stunning political upsets.
SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Tonight, a stunning upset.
RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC ANCHOR: It's just an absolute political stunner.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stunner, because it is.
MADDOW: This is an OMG day.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my gosh.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Holy cats.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a shocker.
MADDOW: Political shocker.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shock waves.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shock waves across the political world.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Hold onto your hat. A political earthquake.
BRIT HUME, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: An earthquake like this.
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Political earthquake.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sort of a perfect storm.
MADDOW: It ends up being the end of the world.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: I love that. Awesome. Bob O'Connor.
PERINO: Wow, he's awesome.
TANTAROS: Really good. Dana.
PERINO: And he's got a lot of time on his hands.
All right. Tonight the World Cup gets started. I know everybody here doesn't like soccer.
TANTAROS: I love soccer.
PERINO: Andrea and I like it.
I live in a house divided. My husband always supports England. On behalf of a guy that works in my building, I said I would support Ivory Coast. So that's what I'm going to do. And apparently, Jasper is playing for Mexico. This picture just in of him hitting a ball on the field.
GUTFELD: That's good. That's good.
BECKEL: You won't have to wait long, Dana, to find out what happens to the Ivory Coast, because they're not going to get...
PERINO: I don't know. Ivory Coast could do well.
GUTFELD: The soap?
TANTAROS: Who's the guy next to Jasper?
GUTFELD: Two soaps.
BECKEL: I'd like to report, since the Affordable Care Act, the state of Minnesota has its lowest uninsured population ever in the history of the state. It's down to 4.9 percent from 8 percent four years ago. All attributable to the Affordable Care Act. And I want to congratulate...
PERINO: How many of those are on Medicaid?
BECKEL: This was not to be interrupted.
PERINO: Just curious. That would be interesting to find out.
BECKEL: No. It's a survey done by the University of Minnesota. It's -- they're down to -- you know, give it some credit. You have to keep dumping on everything? Does Obama -- has anybody ever said anything nice about him except me, about Obama?
GUTFELD: I have.
BECKEL: Yes, what?
GUTFELD: He dresses well.
TANTAROS: He seems like a good father -- Eric.
BOLLING: OK. So you know how I do this at the beginning of every show. I know Greg sometimes doesn't like it, but...
GUTFELD: I hate hands.
BOLLING: You hate it?
GUTFELD: I hate hands,.
BOLLING: So it's now showing up in very strange places. Take a look. I was on Sunday watching "FOX & Friends." Look at the lady behind. She started doing it. I'm seeing more and more of it.
Some fan from South Carolina sent us this. Take this. Check it out. Can you grab that? Hand carved.
So here's the deal. Can you photo bomb every live television show that you know and send me a picture of it or let me know where it is? You get ten points for Fallon, 100 points for a World Cup game, and 1,000 points for "The Today Show."
TANTAROS: Then what do you get if you win?
BOLLING: We'll figure something out. Something nice.
GUTFELD: There's a handless leprechaun.
TANTAROS: We should give, like -- we should give, like, bronze hands.
BOLLING: Yes. Or baseball caps or something. We'll figure something out.
GUTFELD: Just give money.
BECKEL: You know what this really is. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be used against you. That's where that came from, a cop or somebody with their hands up like this.
TANTAROS: Isn't it two hands up, though?
BECKEL: Oh, yes. I guess you're right.
GUTFELD: Maybe they only have one hand.
TANTAROS: All righty.
BECKEL: I was just trying to buy us a little time.
TANTAROS: OK. North Korea, Kim Jong-un -- this is a very bizarre story. He's very upset about the weather reports. He does not like what meteorologists are telling him. So he went to his weather guys and he reamed them out the other day. Yes, he wants them to come up with different forecasts and improve their technology.
Listen, I hear it. I don't like a lot of the forecasts. But he believes that he can change it.
BOLLING: He'll kill them. That's the thing.
TANTAROS: It would really stink to live there.
All right. That's it for us on ""The Five."" Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode. We'll see you right back here tomorrow.
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