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Hillary Clinton seeks to clear up 'dead broke' remark

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 1, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with
Andrea Tantaros, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."

(MUSIC)

PERINO: Well, it's a moment we've all been waiting for. Will she or
won't she run for president again? Today is the official release of
Hillary Clinton's new book, "Hard Choices." She's hit the TV circuit to
promote it. Is she dropping any clues though as to whether or not she's
made a decision?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: The reason I called the
book "Hard Choices" is that's what any president faces.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Aha!

One thing she did drop, a surprising comment during Diane Sawyer's
interview about her and President Clinton's finances.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: We came out of the White House not only dead broke but in
debt. We had no money when we got there and we struggled to piece together
the resources for mortgages for houses, for Chelsea's education. You know,
it was not easy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: After an immediate backlash and ridicule for that comment,
she tried to smooth it out in another interview this morning.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: For me, it's just a reality of what we faced when he got
out of the White House, meant that we had to just keep working really hard.
We always have, that's who we are. As I recall, we were something like $12
million in debt and, you know, that was something we really had to work
hard and I was in the Senate and could not do anything to help us meet
those obligations. We also have gone through some of the same challenges
as many people have.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: Yes, Greg, I'm sure -- are you relating to this empathy
that she was trying to --

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: She speaks my language. She says exactly
what I'm thinking. Will she or she won't?

Who cares? It's not like Sam and Diane in Cheers. Just tell us what
you're going to do. What bothers me most is when she keeps saying, you
know, she's always referencing her book, that it's hard to be president,
that you make these hard choices. As if we weren't aware of this, we
always thought being president was somehow a cake walk.

I don't want to walk on an airplane and have the pilot standing there
and going, oh man, flying a plane is hard, getting that thing up in the
sky, I don't know how I do it.

Seriously. She's the leader -- she's going to be the leader of the
free world. That doesn't instill any confidence walking around telling me
it's hard. It's actually vaguely sexist..

PERINO: Well, we and we're going to have a little comment about that
in the next block --

GUTFELD: Because it seems that she can't do it.

PERINO: Let me ask you, Andrea, given -- this is the big day for the
rollout. I don't think that she anticipated the ferocious response to her
saying that they were dead broke, and so probably not the book rollout she
anticipated for today at least.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Because it's ridiculous and most people
know it. I think it also shows how completely out of touch she is. I
don't think anyone thought that the Clintons at any point in the last
decade have been flat broke.

In fact, "The Daily News," when she was senator was her hometown
paper, just a couple months out of office, they called them famously
wealthy, and when Mrs. Clinton claimed to be flat broke, they took a
vacation in the Dominican Republic with a motorcade that was so large it
almost ran over somebody.

So, she's the only person, Dana, living in a $1.7 million mansion, on
a salary of $145,000, $300,000 combined, having a 500 -- or her husband,
I'm sorry, was $800,000 a year to rent his Harlem office space, remember
that?

PERINO: Yes, that was a big controversy.

TANTAROS: Who considers themselves to be flat broke and this is a
problem with Hillary Clinton. When she does interviews, and I do think she
is campaigning right now. They have never stopped campaigning -- she's not
a good candidate. She's not a good campaigner.

When she starts to open up, this is when gaffes are made and she
starts to reveal who she really is and really just how out of touch the
Clintons are, especially her. I think Bill probably would not say anything
like this.

PERINO: Eric, when you --if you were a financial adviser to the
Clintons, if they are coming out of the White House, yes, they definitely
had debt, but you would have advise the them you are going to be fine given
the potential to make it all up, including -- before you even leave the
White House with an $8 million book deal.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Eight million dollar book deal. Hillary
Clinton charges $200,000 for one hour speech and Bill Clinton --

PERINO: At least.

BOLLING: At least.

PERINO: Sometimes, but maybe not for all, but there had been records
of hire --

BOLLING: It's estimated that Bill has put together $100 million
since he left. I'm a little concerned because I'm trying to do -- I'm
trying to piece this all together. She originally said when we left the
White House, we were dead broke, right?

She didn't accumulate that $11 million debt until she ran for
president in 2008. Am I right? Isn't that when she had that $11 million
debt?

PERINO: It's a different bucket of debt. The original debt was from
the legal problems.

BOLLING: From what, Whitewater and all that? OK. All right. Fine.

If that's the case, then, OK, so you are in debt. But she has to
know, the minute a president -- especially after two terms, eight years in
office, there's a huge bucket of gold waiting for you to be thrown in your
lap.

So, this is less -- less of feel sorry for me we're dead broke and
more about let's change the discussion, let's talk about anything about
Benghazi right now because Benghazi isn't working for me, so let's talk
about, you know, my money problems.

PERINO: I do think it's interesting, Juan, it seems that maybe they
hadn't prepped her or she hadn't thought that this was a question that she
was going to get. Maybe not -- maybe they didn't anticipate her. Maybe
she had a different answer. Or maybe they thought to their ears, it
sounded OK and when it was said out loud, it was something that they didn't
anticipate.

I want to get your comment on that, as well as one other thing, you
covered Bill Clinton as president and one of things as a politician, he's
always known as somebody who could feel your pain, right? That he was
empathic, and that is something that you have -- it's somewhat inherent.
It's not necessarily a skill that you learn.

Do you think that Hillary Clinton maybe doesn't have that empathic
gene?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, she doesn't feel the room the way that
Bill does. I mean, literally, Bill walks in and he walks in the studio
right now, everybody will know, hey, that's Bill Clinton. What a guy,
right? I mean, there's no question Bill could get the plane up, Greg, you
know? I mean, no question.

GUTFELD: He could feel your pain in the butt (ph) --

WILLIAMS: Yes, thank you, darling.

Yes, that's right. So, the thing about Hillary, though, you guys are
saying, oh, she didn't anticipate this.

PERINO: I'm just curious as to why they seemed to fumble.

WILLIAMS: You're right when you say, I don't think they anticipated
the question because I don't think she handled it well. But I think you're
wrong with the idea that somehow they didn't anticipate that there was
going to be tremendous blowback from the right, no matter what she said or
did.

I mean, Benghazi is still out there, right, don't forget that she's
supposed to be brain damaged. Don't forget that. Don't forget that she
controlled "Vanity Fair" when the Lewinsky story came out. So, there are
people always attacking her, and I'm not sure it rebound to her benefit.
It doesn't make her more of what she loves to be, which is the victim.

PERINO: I don't know. I think, obviously, they're going to sell a
lot of books and they should. And some of the excerpts that I read last
week I thought were pretty good. But the reviews, Greg, of the book, are
really not very good.

GUTFELD: The reviews are the fact it's empty and it's feels as
spontaneous as the continental drift. So, every word is scripted like a
fortune cookie. They made this book into a movie, it would be a three-hour
test pattern, but I think Juan is correct. You have to be very careful
because, you know, if you keep going after and after and after her, it just
-- it will make her look sympathetic.

To Eric's point, it is true. The mistake of them talking about them
being broke that everybody knows that becoming president is -- it's the
power ball jackpot for the power hungry. It's better than winning the
lottery.

Think about when President Obama leaves, he's going to get a half a
million when he belches. There's going to be -- I mean, it just like he
will be the world -- he will be the first billionaire, the first president
billionaire.

PERINO: I agree.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Sure.

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: If Clinton doesn't beat him to it.

GUTFELD: Yes, exactly.

BOLLING: I mean, they're going to put $2 billion in campaign money
together. Yes, I agree with you. He'll put together --

WILLIAMS: And you know what, he's going to be a worldwide sensation.

BOLLING: Can I --the Amazon reviews, did you see the reviews for the
book?

PERINO: I read some of them, yes.

BOLLING: Fifty-seven reviews when I checked. There's about an hour
and a half ago. Two out of five stars on average it gets. It's something
more like this, it's trash. Save your money. Disappointing. Campaign
propaganda.

And the point I like the best, this should be called a work of
fiction.

TANTAROS: You know why? Because it assumes that we're stupid. It
assumes that we don't know what she's trying to do.

I mean, the book doesn't know what it's supposed to be. Most people
put out a book and they are pretty -- I don't want to say open with what
they are trying to do, but everyone knows that the Clintons are constantly
calculating every single move, whether it's selling books, what we've done
most of their lives, or whether it's running for the next office.

So, she's not really being authentic, I think in the interviews. The
reason I think we need to call her on this comment about the rich is
imagine if the Republicans would have said it.

PERINO: Romney did.

TANTAROS: And Republicans had.

And George Bush Sr. made a comment about the super market scanner
that arguably derailed his entire candidacy.

So, I think she's trying to look relatable. I don't think she's
trying to distract from Benghazi. She's trying. But every time Hillary
tries, she failed.

She tried to -- I don't know what she was trying to do when she made
the comment about staying home and baking cookies, but when Hillary is
Hillary, she offends. She offends stay at home moms, she offends, you
know, military families.

PERINO: She's got --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: -- I was talking about.

TANTAROS: She doesn't have it. And I wouldn't say that she --
whatever analogy you use for her husband and gets the plane up or whatever,
I wouldn't say that about Bill. But when Bill used to jog, remember, he
used to go out for runs, he has this natural authenticity that people love
and she doesn't have it, and she's trying to, but it's just not there and
so, she offends, again, people who are actually struggling.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: Here's the thing I think about this book. I think that
the book is all about making her more human and approachable and kind of
bringing her down to size. That's why it's not about the policy stuff.

And the failure of the book in terms of the reviews, which I must say
come from Democrats and Republicans, that it's not an exciting book, is
that she comes across as someone as saying, you know, I'm a human being,
I'm in here and I got really tired and there were times I felt terrible and
there are times when I had to go see Barack Obama about this charge that my
campaign was racist, or they asked me to say something nasty about Sarah
Palin and I refused. I said, you want me to attack her because she's a
woman, which Sarah Palin, by the way, has been tweeting about all day.

But there is a human side that she's trying to get out there. And I
think that speaks to (INAUDIBLE) people don't feel like they know her, like
they can be her friend and she --

PERINO: I disagree. I actually think that people were reminded last
night in that interview that they know her very well and that they are
reminded that, oh, this is why in 2008 the Democrats chose Obama over
Hillary Clinton --

WILLIAMS: Wow.

PERINO: -- because the vim and vigor, the excitement, the new --
what, Hillary Clinton, she's trying to do too many things in this book, in
my opinion. There's -- this was the "my State Department world" book, and
then there's the book that people write when they are going to run for
president.

So, there's the "Audacity of Hope" or a "Charge to Keep," I can't
remember what Bill Clinton's was. But as governors, you know, we got Scott
Walker wrote a book this year, and Paul Ryan.

WILLIAMS: They all write books.

PERINO: They're all writing books, but they are books that are
forward-looking. And one of the complaints in this book for people that
we're looking to see if she's going to run is that there's nothing there.
Maybe that book wasn't meant to do that. But they let the expectation to
be there that it was.

WILLIAMS: It's always about character in these presidential books.
That you have to get, the person who's running says, here's my character,
here's the small town boy who made good, or the small town girl in this
case. And the big difference with the Republicans, you say it's a double
standard, Andrea --

TANTAROS: It is.

WILLIAMS: -- is guess what? The Republicans are always seen as
running up a plutocrat like Romney, or McCain, and talking about all it
hasn't. That's not --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: John Edwards --

TANTAROS: Why is it always an issue when it's Republican? But you
are going to have someone with massive wealth like the Clintons and you
don't hear the press covering it the way that they did when it's a
Republican, even if it made it on his own not being a career politician.

WILLIAMS: Isn't it a given in American politics, the narrative is,
Republicans represent the rich?

GUTFELD: That's because the media builds that narrative.

TANTAROS: That's right.

GUTFELD: There's more money in this campaigns, coming from really
wealthy Democrats. You look at the Clintons. You look at the Kerrys. You
look at the Soros. They shield their wealth with this guilt-ridden
leftism. You have to remember, this election is historic. She could be
America's first robot president.

PERINO: What do you mean by that?

GUTFELD: Because what you just said from the book, it is so -- it's
so sterile and it's so cold. And the one thing that really bug me is how
she -- how she criticizes the Bush doctrine in the book, while adopting
almost every part of his foreign policy. I mean, they didn't get rid of
drones. They just treated it like a new form of outreach. They still kept
Gitmo open.

Everything that worked under Bush they kept. It's OK to use the Bush
doctrine unless Bush is doing it.

PERINO: Then you have to say that you are different.

GUTFELD: Exactly. Does that make sense?

PERINO: OK. I followed.

GUTFELD: Slowly. A little bit confused.

PERINO: Hey. We got to move on.

Next, Clinton says her biggest accomplishment as secretary of state
is, you're going to find out.

Plus, is she accusing the Obama campaign of waging a war on women?
Stay tuned for that and more ahead on "The Five."

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

TANTAROS: Welcome.

Well, there are other parts of Hillary Clinton's new book that have
been making headlines. One involves former vice presidential candidate
Sarah Palin. Clinton actually admits that there were sexism without
Obama's 2008 camp. She says that after she endorsed then-Senator Obama,
she was asked to take part on attacks on Palin.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: In beginning the process of working with then-Senator Obama
after I ended my campaign, we had as I describe in the book an awkward but
necessary meeting to clear the air on a couple of issues, and one of them
was sexism that unfortunately was present in that '08 campaign.

ROBIN ROBERTS, "GMA"/ABC: Were you asked to be critical of her at
that point?

CLINTON: Yes. That very first day, the Obama campaign said, we want
you to go out and criticize her. I said, for what? For being a woman?
Let's wait until we know where she stands. I don't know anything about
her. Do you know anything about her? And nobody, of course, did.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: The former Alaskan governor tweeted this response to the
revelation. Quote, "Look who fired the first shot in the real war on
women. Hint, it wasn't the GOP. See this excerpt from Hillary's book."

OK. Eric, I found this snippet fascinating for a number of different
reasons. But, first, the fact that she is making a deliberate effort to
show that she's a friend to other women --

BOLLING: To women, right.

TANTAROS: -- didn't you take that from this deliberate mention in
the book?

BOLLING: Yes. Let's wait -- oh, come on, really? I'm sure they had
oppo research on Sarah Palin months before Barack Obama said let's take
some shots at Sarah Palin.

I think it's interesting to kind of see the sausage being made in a
presidential campaign. Look, let's get another woman to take a shot at
that woman because Barack Obama didn't want to a shot. They wanted to use
Hillary Clinton to do it for whatever reasons.

Look, I guess Bob tells us they did that all the time. I mean, I
guess it's smart politics, but it's nice to see what actually goes on.

TANTAROS: And isn't it just politics, Dana? I mean, it is stuff for
a man to go negative on a female in campaigns? Hillary Clinton knows that
because she arguably won because Rick Lazio fumbled and got too
confrontational with her.

But I saw that as a real shot over the bow to the Obama
administration as well, which is going to be very tough for her to
navigate. But she was trying to paint herself as a friend to women and him
as not one.

PERINO: Well, and remember, and she's very careful to say that it
wasn't President Obama himself. That it was the campaign staff. That it
was the campaign that asked her to do that.

I think when you lose in the primary and then you reconcile and you
agree to campaign in support the candidate, in this case it was Clinton
supporting Obama, that -- Clinton had a lot of leeway and a lot of leverage
to say, look, I will do some things. That's just something I'm not willing
to do right now.

I'm willing to believe that was true at that time. I don't know how
long it lasted.

TANTAROS: Greg, you are skeptical.

GUTFELD: Hillary?

TANTAROS: It's true. I know, they are rough and tumble politicians,
but it would be smart for her to say I'm not going to go after her and
start this female cat fight. I'm not going to do that. The Clintons are
smart when it comes to political maneuvering. Do you buy it?

GUTFELD: I don't know. I don't buy anything any Clinton ever says.
Is she qualified? That's the question. Is she qualified for the job?

You only -- I can name one achievement I was thinking during the
break, one achievement. It -- she makes John Kerry look good. That's all
I can find.

TANTAROS: That's really tough to do.

GUTFELD: But I get the sense from these interviews that she feels
like she deserves it, and I feel it's time that we shouldn't be electing
somebody because they feel entitled but because we feel entitled to vote
for a person. If somebody just ran on the plank, mind your own business,
they will win. I'm so tired of people intruding on your lives. Somebody
with a disdain for entitlement and intrusion, who just says, mind your own
business, that woman would win.

TANTAROS: And then if you attack her, it's sexism. But you bring up
a really good point, because in 2008, it was -- it's my turn.

GUTFELD: Right.

TANTAROS: And now, it will be -- it's really my turn.

GUTFELD: Yes, exactly.

TANTAROS: Juan, can I ask you about this clip? Also from the Diane
Sawyer interview.

She did -- she was asked what her biggest accomplishment was and she
couldn't name one, however, she did say she restored leadership to the
world, which I thought as a shot towards President Bush. Take a listen.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

CLINTON: The most important thing I did was help restore America's
leadership around the world and I think that was a very important
accomplishment, we were flat on our back when I walk in there the first
time. We were viewed as being untrustworthy, as violating our moral rules
and values.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

TANTAROS: OK. That was NPR, but not Sawyer. But what do you think?

WILLIAMS: Well, I think that she's right. I mean, that's the part
of the story that we aren't talking about at the table. She came after the
two wars, after the whole kind of collapse, America being seen as a bully
around the world and a difficult time. So, she comes in and she sees her
mission as kind of a reset and, by the way --

PERINO: That went well.

TANTAROS: To ask me to say, well, you're definitely not seen as a
bully, that's for sure.

WILLIAMS: No, you know what? On the Palin thing, let me just say,
remember, there was a lot of pressure on Obama to name Hillary as his vice
president because Palin was McCain's vice president and you would have a
woman attacking a woman. She didn't get that opportunity. They didn't is
want Joe Biden. I don't think that Joe Biden was up for that.

BOLLING: Very quickly, though, the question was asked of Hillary
Clinton, were you asked to attack Sarah Palin? And she said yes.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

BOLLING: That is the most interesting part of this. She could
easily have said, no, I don't believe so. I don't recall.

WILLIAMS: But that's the truth.

PERINO: She gave a little bite.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Juan, if this is where she's going to start telling the
truth, that's very interesting. It's more telling about the relationship
between the Clintons and the Obamas and how that plays out in 2016. That
will be very interesting.

PERINO: And besides, why did Hillary Clinton or Obama even need to
attack Sarah Palin when the media did it for them?

WILLIAMS: Sarah Palin was a sensation.

PERINO: For three weeks.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I think for more than that. I think that the idea was
American women would relate to having Sarah Palin. I mean, there was
Geraldine Ferraro before. But Sarah Palin was one of a kind. I mean, she
was a sensation at that convention.

PERINO: At the -- right, it didn't last.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I think it lasted for a little bit. Obviously, until
late September, when the economic stuff.

PERINO: When it mattered.

WILLIAMS: You're tough, Dana.

PERINO: Oh, it's true.

TANTAROS: Final thoughts on how she restored leadership?

GUTFELD: By maintaining Gitmo and increasing drone attacks. I don't
see how she made us more well-liked around the world. I thought I was -- I
thought we were told those were the bad things, you know?

TANTAROS: All right. Ahead, a lot of veterans aren't happy about
the deal President Obama made to swap five dangerous terrorists with one
American who may have deserted his country. Lone survivor Marcus Luttrell
is one of them. You'll hear from him, up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: The controversial decision to release Muslim terrorists for
a questionable Bowe Bergdahl continues to be a hot debate. The Obama
administration defends its decision by saying they know what's right. But
military colleagues of Bergdahl don't see it that way. Here's Bergdahl's
platoon leader.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SGT. EVAN BUETOW, BERGDAHL'S PLATOON LEADER: We were there on the
ground when it happened. We know the truth. I don't see them attacking
our story as much as attacking our character, so I'm assuming that they
understand that what we're saying is true or I tink they'd be attacking our
story.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Some more, here's Marcus Luttrell laying it out in no
uncertain terms.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARCUS LUTTRELL, MILITARY VETERAN: From a military perspective, it
was a bad deal. I mean, we work really hard in getting those guys. I
mean, they weren't the button of the barrel, the IED placers or anything
like that. I mean, they were high value targets, and we spent a lot of
time, and a lot of intel going after these guys, and getting them at great
cost to us as a matter of fact, and the way that organization works, it's
not built from the bottom up, all right? It's built from the top down.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Just my guess, but these guys know a little more about what
went on in Afghanistan than Marie Harf, Jay Carney and Barack Obama.

Ands, let's bring it around. Your thoughts on the latest on
Bergdahl?

TANTARO: Well, Marcus Luttrell is absolutely right. You don't think
about the money, the time, the intel and all the lives lost that went into
getting and capturing those men. The president obviously didn't consider
that, besides the fact that now that they're released, they could kill
again. Most people think that they are.

*
BOLLING: Your thoughts on the latest on Bergdahl.

TANTAROS: Marco Petrel's (ph) absolutely right. You don't think
about the money, the time, the intel and all the lives lost that went into
getting and capturing those men. The president obviously didn't consider
that, besides the fact that now that they're released they could kill
again. Most people think that they are.

It is unprecedented, though, to have members of the military to speak
out the way that they are. And the difference -- one of the biggest
differences is -- a lot of differences -- is their story hasn't changed.
They've been completely consistent.

The White House's story has changed, which is not surprising. But the
military, you see them -- they've never come out before in this type of way
to talk about a White House and the treatment, and they've been consistent.
And it's -- it's shocking that the White House would continue to try to
scramble and defame members of the military. You did it once. Learn your
lesson. Now shut up. They haven't done it. They want to keep going and
defame these guys. And it's a losing fight. They should just stop.

BOLLING: Speaking of "just stop," Juan, John Kerry, I believe that he
was referencing exactly this, whether or not any of these Taliban five are
going to kill again. He said that notion would be baloney.

WILLIAMS: Right. He said if they get involved, they also have the
right to get killed. And so, I mean, they would be targets, and it's not
just for drones.

BOLLING: It's hard for him to say that on the heels of a deal that so
many people are questioning. And say, hey, that was a bad deal.

WILLIAMS: People aren't silly. People know that we can go get these
guys. I think the reason people question it is because they were high-
value prisoners. And the fear is that if they get to organizing again,
they become a point of pride for the terrorists, that say, "We got
something from the United States." It somehow makes the United States
weaker for dealing with them. That's what people are worried about. I
don't think there's any question our military can handle those guys.

BOLLING: President Obama came out. He had his arm around Bergdahl's
mother. They were hugging. They did this big thing in the Rose Garden.
You know, photo op, after photo op, and then today you start hearing them.
I believe it was yesterday, behind closed doors at the house, and they kind
of pointed the finger at Chuck Hagel, saying it was kind of his idea.

PERINO: Right. So in the -- can I mention the thing about Juan was
saying, about whether they would kill again? Four out of five -- the top
intel officials in the country that testified, they said the chances are
that, yes, four out of five of them at least will be linked to future
killings of America. That's why I think that John Kerry, I know he's
trying to help President Obama get this behind it, but saying baloney was
the wrong thing to say.

On Hagel, so Chuck Hagel was a senator from Nebraska, served for a
long time. Now he's secretary of defense for President Obama.

At first, the White House said Congress was briefed, and then they
said -- Congress said, "No, we weren't," including Dianne Feinstein on the
Senate Intel Committee.

They said, "Well, you were told before." No, this's not good enough
either. And this is getting worse.

So on the ninth day of this problem for the White House, they hit
upon, ah-ha, it actually was Chuck Hagel's specific decision, not to do
with the president, because in the strict reading of the law, that is what
it says. But I don't understand. If that's true, then why wasn't that
first point? And still to me, it's a little bit of a lame excuse.

BOLLING: So a lot is also being made whether or not the Taliban was
actually paid money. Some people said they were asking for money. They
flatly denied, the administration flatly denies it.

PERINO: Money to the Taliban.

BOLLING: To the Taliban.

PERINO: Not necessarily to Haqqani.

BOLLING: See, therein lies a very interesting story. I mean, if they
did, aren't they just buying terrorism? Terrorists?

GUTFELD: I think you got -- the assumption that they're going to kill
again is unfounded. I talked to some people out in the field, and they
said that they're actually going to start a book club reading "Dreams of My
Father." So we have nothing -- we have nothing to worry about.

OK, so he blames -- he blames Hagel. That means if something is
popular, President Obama gets credit. If it's not popular, somebody else
gets the blame. So the buck only stops with him if he can keep it. He
doesn't take -- he never gets hurt by any of this stuff.

So I mean, this is a White House that thinks releasing coal into the
atmosphere is more dangerous than releasing terrorists into the field.
They have the arrogance and attitude of an undergrad Greenpeace activist
collecting signatures who knows better than everybody. They know every --
but they're students who haven't left campus. So it's no wonder they think
it's all going to be rosy, until it's not. Blame someone else.

PERINO: It's interesting what he says, that's actually not an
exaggeration. John Kerry did say that climate change was a bigger concern
to Americans.

BOLLING: Yes. Yes. Can I play -- this is actually a great montage
we put together. Just watch. We'll explain after this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This is not a political
football.

It is important that our veterans don't become another political
football.

JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: That it ought not to be a
political football.

OBAMA: It becomes less of a political football, which is where I want
it to be. This shouldn't be a political football.

CARNEY: Yet another partisan political football.

OBAMA: Unfortunately, right now the federal budget generally has been
a political football in Washington.

CARNEY: I think it reinforces the idea that this is becoming a
political football.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Chris Brown said, "Why do they hate football?"

GUTFELD: This is -- this is to create a cocoon against criticism.
It's basically saying, if you point out that something is wrong, it's
purely for partisan reasons. However, they can do that for the other side.
Because for the left, personal is political. But for anybody else, it's
just being mean.

By the way, they shouldn't say it's a political football. They should
say something that Obama knows, like political mom jeans. You should not
bring the mom jeans. We don't need to wear these political mom jeans right
now.

TANTAROS: But he doesn't like football. Remember, he hates football.

BOLLING: If he had a son...

TANTAROS: He wouldn't let him play football. Or political football.

PERINO: What about non-political football?

GUTFELD: What about soccer?

TANTAROS: I don't think he likes it at all. What about political
basketball?

BOLLING: Don't play whatever. We don't have the ball. When we have
the ball, this is the greatest game ever.

WILLIAMS: No, no, but wait a minute. Wait a minute. But he also has
said phony scandals. And he says "phony scandals." Now, I think this is
at least more euphemistic and sort of elegant. Everyone's going to
understand don't kick around -- you kick around a football. And Charlie
Brown.

BOLLING: Who kicked off the political football when they brought the
parents of Bergdahl to the Rose Garden? That was them. They're saying,
"Big football game."

WILLIAMS: You think they brought Bergdahl's parents in, you're wrong.
Bergdahl's parents were there for Memorial Day. They were in Washington.

TANTAROS: And the -- and the point is they're trying to say that the
soldiers...

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. They're in Washington.

GUTFELD: Does that mean I can drop by, too?

TANTAROS: Juan, you said that the military has -- it has no trouble
handling these guys about the five they released. Nobody is debating that.
No one doubts that. The issue is why do they have to handle these guys
again? Why do they have and capture them again?

BOLLING: All right. We've got to leave it right there. Justin
Bieber is now a believer. There's word the pop's brat has been trying to
clean up his act by turning to God. More on that next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: TMZ reports that Justin Bieber underwent Bible study in New
York City, ending with him getting baptized in a bathtub. Was it all a
stunt from a reckless punk?

It comes at a time when Biebs really needs good press. His on-tape
racism makes Don Sterling look like Donny Osmond. Add to that the arrests,
the reckless driving, the vandalism. He's only 20, but in dirt-bag years,
he's pushing 60.

I hope the baptism helps, but it does little if you're still a boob.
So I ask J.B. why not just stop and just be better? I don't mean doing
charity work or donating to exotic causes. I mean why not just decide to
be good? Step away and ask yourself what is a good person? Then do that.

It's easy. Call your mom. Wait your turn. Be polite. Drive the
speed limit. Keep the damn music down in your car. Be a man. Why is it
so hard to figure out?

Because decency these days is dull, and we mistake the opposite,
adrenalized idiocy, for achievement. Add to that a desire for fame, which
at a young age stunts the maturing process. Real growth means realizing
you can't have everything. Fame says you can until you can't.

Hence the political baloney you see from most stars with the maturity
of a water snake. They're playing catch up.

But it's time now, Biebs, to grow up. Because sooner or later,
everyone else will, and you'll be that guy left behind, bloated and pale,
wondering why no one screams your name, except for Dana.

All right, around the horn, Andrea. Do you give the benefit of the
doubt? I mean, this could definitely help him. Do you think it's for real
or a publicity stunt?

TANTAROS: I think it's a publicity stunt, and I don't -- but I have
trouble questioning...

GUTFELD: Yes, you can't.

TANTAROS: ... whether or not his intentions are good. Now,
typically, we see people getting into trouble, and then they find God, or
they run to God, which I don't want to say that somehow him seeking
forgiveness is not authentic, because only God knows that. And we've all -
- many of us, at least -- I have -- sought forgiveness. But here's the
thing.

GUTFELD: I forgive you.

TANTAROS: Yes. Thank you, God. My own personal god, Greg Gutfeld.

If he really wanted to be baptized in private, he could have, but it's
on a website. It would be very easy for him to have a member of the
clergy...

GUTFELD: Right.

TANTAROS: ... come to one of his many mansions and baptize him and
we'd never hear about it. If he was really trying to get right with God.
So that's why I'm just a bit suspect.

GUTFELD: What do you think, Juan? Is this a promising development?
Or is it odd that it was leaked? I mean, it was on TMZ.

WILLIAMS: How would you -- why would you even give this any serious
time? I mean, this is so ridiculous.

GUTFELD: ... needed a story.

WILLIAMS: But you know what? It's a fun story, because he's such an
idiot. I mean, really, he's beyond the pale. I mean, I love this quote.
The quote was in the paper today: "Justin is serious about his Christian
faith." How ridiculous. Even if you're saying, "Oh, I'm -- you know, I'm
reborn as a Christian," you believe that about Justin Bieber, that he's
studying, that he cares about the Bible, he cares about anything but Justin
Bieber? I don't think so. I think he cares about being a superstar. And
that's where I thought you were on target in the monologue.

All he cares about is this kind of teen rebellion, adrenaline rush,
"I'm different. I can do what I want to do. I can go to a whorehouse in
Brazil. I can drive -- I can egg my neighbor's house and expect to get
away with it." You would think he was Greg Gutfeld.

GUTFELD: How dare you, sir? I wish.

Eric, I don't know. I'm kind of with Andrea. You've got to give him
the benefit of the doubt or do you?

BOLLING: No. Look, most of the time when people find God is when
they hit rock bottom and they bounce off the bottom. And the problem is
we're enabling this. As Juan points out, speed down -- speeding, doing 100
in a 30. Egg his neighbor's car. We kept letting him off the hook. He
needs to be held accountable for something or he'll never hit rock bottom
and never really look to find God. And then it would be real.

Andrea points out a very good point. It wouldn't be on the Internet.
It would be in a private service somewhere, and then you could go, "You
know what? Good for you, Justin."

WILLIAMS: What about teenage girls? What about teenage girls, Eric?
Teenage girls. Are they going to let teenage -- what about Dana? You love
him. I know you love him.

GUTFELD: It's been rough for you for the last couple of years.
You've got the posters up in your room.

PERINO: Justin Bieber is past his sell-by date. Unfortunately for
him, his fame came very young, and it helped lead to his ruin. And what
his P.R. people really hope for is not a baptism, but they want a No. 1
hit. That would -- I think in their minds, that would help solve a lot of
problems, at least for the foreseeable future. And they don't really care
about what happens after that.

TANTAROS: They're hoping he'll be reborn in another one.

PERINO: Exactly. On the front page of "You Know What" magazine.

GUTFELD: "You Know What" magazine?

PERINO: "You Know What," and I didn't know which one. "Us Weekly,"
"People," which one do you want to be on?

GUTFELD: I like -- I like "You Know What." That's a great idea for a
magazine. You know, that's a great name for a show. "You Know What?" and
it's like really stupid trivia. That's a great idea. All right.

PERINO: Let's take that right upstairs.

GUTFELD: Yes. They'll throw us out. We'll be escorted out into the
gutter.

I have the new trend for couples in this Internet age. Social media
prenups. Juan's going to tell you about it next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WILLIAMS: In this day and age of Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
anything can be posted about you online, and that's why social media
prenups are on the rise.

Divorce lawyers say lots of couples have been signing them just in
case they, well, you know, don't work out. The prenups usually dictate
that you can't post embarrassing pictures, like one of your spouse in the
nude, or say nasty things about them or else it could cost you. Cost you,
like, $50,000 each time you do it. So Dana...

BASH: Well, embarrassing pictures are in the eye of beholder.

WILLIAMS: Oh, Dana, come on.

GUTFELD: This is from a person who is the most extreme photos of your
dog with everything.

BASH: No. I had one yesterday that was so great, but I cropped it
protect your innocent eyes.

GUTFELD: Thank you very much.

BASH: Here's what I think. I don't think that people need a prenup.
They just maybe need better friends or better significant others that
wouldn't embarrass them in the first place.

WILLIAMS: What are you saying?

BASH: Or maybe they need to make better choices and not take pictures
of their -- and send them to somebody else. How about that? Then you
don't need a social media prenup.

WILLIAMS: What do you say, Greg? How come I never meet girls that
send me pictures like that?

GUTFELD: Because you're...

BASH: Well, you're married.

GUTFELD: You're almost 90.

WILLIAMS: That's the problem. You know what? I think that is the
problem.

GUTFELD: In the industrial revolution, you had all these horrible
injuries that came about. Now in the technological revolution, the
injuries are to your character. In fact, we don't -- these things that
happen to our reputation because we don't know how to deal with the
machinery.

BOLLING: So OK, so speaking of Twitter, you notice our good friend,
Bob Beckel, isn't here tonight. He took a day off. But tonight, very
important, I set him up on a blind date.

PERINO: Oh, my God.

BOLLING: Tonight is the date. In the spirit of this segment, why
don't you teach an old dog some new tricks. His Twitter handle is @RobertG
Beckel. So any advice for Bob tonight on his blind date. I'm going to go
break the ice and go over there, sit down and have a cocktail with them --
not him, he doesn't drink -- and them leave these two on their own. If you
have any thoughts for Bob.

PERINO: Do you have high hopes for this?

BOLLING: I have very high hopes.

GUTFELD: Is it somebody we know?

BOLLING: No. It's no one that works here. And so I was actually
with my wife in a restaurant and she came up and loved "The Five." "I even
like Bob Beckel. I'm conservative, but I like Bob Beckel. He's a big
teddy bear, isn't he?"

I said, "Yes."

She goes, "I would date him."

And I said, "You just might." And took a picture.

TANTAROS: That is one brave woman.

BOLLING: Wait, wait, wait.

GUTFELD: Is she over or under 21? That's a big -- that's a deal-
breaker.

TANTAROS: About social media prenups or Bob's blind dates? I have
many opinions on both subjects.

WILLIAMS: But also, did you hear what he said? Eric sent a picture.
Eric had to send a picture of her to Bob.

TANTAROS: Of course. You have to see a picture before you go out
with a person.

WILLIAMS: Was she clothed? Was she clothed? Yes, she was clothed.
I didn't know, man.

GUTFELD: She wanted to be with your wife. You know that old joke in
baseball, you are at first base and, man, you got any nude pictures of your
wife? You know, I got some for you.

TANTAROS: I've actually...

PERINO: I'll never stay with us.

TANTAROS: "One More Thing" coming right at you. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." I just thought of the
way I was going to introduce mine. But then I realized I couldn't, because
you would take it the wrong way. So I'm just going to -- OK, Margaret
Ray...

GUTFELD: What's wrong with you?

PERINO: It was really funny.

GUTFELD: Well, just do it.

PERINO: No, look, just watch this dog and the deer. They're having a
little play time.

Let's see the dog's tail. He wants to run. They basically did this
back and forth for hours. They play hide and seek and go back and forth.
I think the dog wanted to play -- the joke I'm not going to say because it
would have been taken the wrong way. So I'm going to -- instead, I'm going
to turn it over to Eric.

BOLLING: OK. So -- he's a good boy. Over the weekend, I'm dropping
a couple of names, my home away from home, Miami, I love the culture, love
just everything about it. So Saturday night I'm at the bar of a
restaurant.

PERINO: You're at the bar?

BOLLING: I'm at the bar of the restaurant. Dennis Rodman is standing
right there, hanging out, talking. He wasn't drinking. And then Sunday
night -- check this out -- who I bump into. Charles Barkley. "Charles,
I'm going to put a picture of us on 'The Five'. You ready to take a
selfie?"

He goes, "Yes, I love 'The Five'."

PERINO: We love Charles Barkley.

BOLLING: I go, "Charles, you really love 'The Five'?"

He's like, "I love 'The Five'."

PERINO: That's a diplomatic answer.

TANTAROS: You have very good luck. Because I ran into Charles in
L.A. And I didn't -- I didn't want to disturb him.

BOLLING: He's the nicest guy in the world. Very obliging.

PERINO: In the world. I never met him.

TANTAROS: Nicer than Greg Gutfeld?

GUTFELD: No.

WILLIAMS: No.

PERINO: Andrea, you're next.

TANTAROS: So this is a feel-good story. Sheena Brown is a waitress
at the Waffle House, and she was left a $1,000 tip only to be told by her
bosses that, according to Waffle House policy, it's too much money. And so
the Waffle House took the tip.

I guess -- I can understand why they do that, because maybe sometimes
servers write in different amounts, and they have to give the money back.
But come on. This poor woman.

She was on with Gretchen Carlson. This nice diner heard about her
story. He came back. He gave her a personal check, and she was able to
cash it.

PERINO: I don't understand how that's a policy.

TANTAROS: Where were these diners, though, when I was waitressing?

PERINO: How is that a policy? I don't get it. Just mind your own
business, right, Greg?

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: OK, you're next. You're next. Oh, you have...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: I hate these people!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Real quick. See this picture. Yes. All right. That's all
I got to say.

PERINO: Is that Jesse Watters?

GUTFELD: I don't know, but...

BOLLING: It is.

GUTFELD: Shorts with suits. Bad.

PERINO: You know who never would wear that? Is Juan Williams.

WILLIAMS: Thank you. I got skinny legs.

So 20 years ago Thursday, everybody was watching that white Bronco go
down the highway out in L.A. It was O.J. and Al Cowlings. Oh, my God.
And then that introduced everybody to Judge Ito, and Kato Kaolin...

PERINO: And Greta.

WILLIAMS: ... and Marcia Clark, and of course, Greta Van Susteren.
But you know what's interesting? There's a poll now that says 60 percent
of black people now think he was guilty.

PERINO: Always watch "The Five." We'll see you here tomorrow.

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