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President Obama's Gitmo evacuation plans

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," June 9, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Swelling goes down in three weeks.

Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Jesse Watters and, she intertubes on a Cheerio, Dana Perino.

"The Five."


GUTFELD: So, according to The New York Post, one Gitmo detainee may be released because he took up yoga and read about the Dalai Lama. Another may get sprung due to his positive attitude, which raises the question: Is there a level below amateurish, because I think the White House unearthed it. They should name it after Obama.

I mean, here's a man who treats foreign policy like it's open mike night at the Funny Bone. In a mad dash to evacuate a prison to appease their left wing overlords, the White House has become a gullible coed, tricked into bed by coffee house low-lives bursting with sensitivity. OMG, he does yoga! He's into peace. He can't be a terrorist. His poetry is so dreamy. I love his goatee.

I'd say the White House is naive, but you can't fool the willing.

Obama wants to close Gitmo and will buy any excuse. Why not just say it's haunted? It worked on "Scooby-doo."

The fact is, your average mom would make a better leader. She definitely wouldn't buy this yoga crock, since her job is to warn daughters of smooth talkers who spew such sweet deception.

But this is the president who thinks climate change is a bigger security threat than releasing terrorists, like butterflies at a wedding.

But, hey, I may be wrong. Yoga could be a sign of redemption. After all, it's hard to blow up a building when you are doing a downward facing dog. Sadly, that's one position Obama has put us all in.


GUTFELD: Sometimes a picture is worth a fine thousand words, Jesse.

JESSE WATTERS, CO-HOST: Well, I really don't know where to go from there. That was one of your finest monologues. I'm happy to be here.

GUTFELD: Well, let me ask you, so when you read this article, it's hard to believe in "The Post." They say that a former bodyguard for bin Laden may go free to start a milk and honey farm.


WATTERS: Right. So, this comes in search of milk and honey farm in Martha's Vineyard, and Obama goes to vacation there? There is no way, because Obama and Michelle, they're going to do yoga with this guy. You got to be kidding me.


WATTERS: I mean, for my opinion here, the only thing about the Bergdahl deal was about was about closing Gitmo.


WATTERS: That was his legacy. That's the campaign promise. He doesn't care about protecting the security of the American people. He's more concerned about protecting his legacy.

You can see before he's springing crack dealers out of prison, he's releasing illegal aliens all over the street. He's letting guns walk into Mexico. He's disarming the missile defense in eastern Europe, he just doesn't care.

GUTFELD: What do you think, Bob? You've got 78 of 149 prisoners scheduled for release? Aren't you worried the standards are a bit shaky because they're expediting?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Not really. But I just want to say, I don't have time to go through everything Jesse just said was wrong. So --

WATTERS: Fact-check it. Fact-check that whole thing.

BECKEL: Here's a fact that you need to keep in mind. That before Obama became president, 500 Gitmo prisoners were released -- 500, and now - -

GUTFELD: Not as bad as these.

BECKEL: Oh, not as bad as these.

GUTFELD: These are the starting five.

BECKEL: How do you know these guys didn't start chicken farms? Who knows?

The fact of the matter is --

GUTFELD: You do know.

BECKEL: -- they've been trying to close down Gitmo, while Bush and Obama, they've been right.

They let 500 go under Bush. I hope they get the rest of the 500 out. And the idea that somehow these guys oppose -- first of all, they say they are going to go back to Afghanistan and fight against us. There's about a 30 percent recidivism rate among those who left among the Bush administration.

But we were fighting a war then. We're not there anymore. We're not going to be fighting a war. So, let them go back to Afghanistan and kill each other as far as I'm concerned.

WATTERS: They launched attacks from Afghanistan on 9/11. We weren't in Afghanistan on 9/11 and we were attacked on 9/11 from Afghanistan.

GUILFOYLE: Fact-checking again, are you?

BECKEL: There has not been an attack on the United States since then, has it?

WATTERS: No, there hasn't and it's not because we're releasing people from Gitmo.

BECKEL: It has nothing to do --

GUILFOYLE: Like crazy befuddled logic going on over there.

GUTFELD: Kimberly, as an attractive single woman, men are putting you on about silly notions about yoga. Isn't it obvious they are lying about getting in jail?

GUILFOYLE: I mean, obviously, OK? They have no interest in doing downward dog. Let's be honest.

BECKEL: Yes, they do.

GUILFOYLE: And the milk and honey thing, I don't think so.

BECKEL: Downward dog is a great move.

GUTFELD: I think you're confusing it with something else.

GUILFOYLE: The problem is that they will just say anything to justify letting them out. I think they are going to try and release them all before the end of the year, because God help them if the Republicans take the Senate, they are not going to get this done. This had to happen with Bergdahl, there was a push to do it. Of course you are going to bring up comparisons.

You're obsessed with Bush. You and Obama both want to blame everything --

BECKEL: Are you concerned about the 500 people who were released?

GUILFOYLE: You know what, Bob?



GUILFOYLE: Absolutely, I am, and I think we should learn from the past and I think we should make appropriate proper decisions that are sound and based on intel and not about ideology and thinking that Gitmo is a bad place. It's there for a reason.

BECKEL: Bush made the right decision and so has Obama.

GUTFELD: Dana, given that yoga is seen as a sign for redemption, should we be air dropping yoga mats into terror strongholds immediately.

PERINO: And the blocks, because they maybe a little inflexible and you might need to help --

GUTFELD: What about Pilates?

PERINO: It doesn't really do anything for you. If you're trying to do, you have to add a little bit more into.


PERINO: OK. We could listen to national security experts or we could listen to others who --


PERINO: So the national security experts asked last week in a closed hearing with the senators, on a scale of one to ten, how likely is it that these five will kill Americans again? And the answer on the top national security official was nine out of ten. The chances are 90 percent that they will have some sort of activity that leads to a direct killing of Americans in the future.

So, yes, others have been released from Gitmo before. There was a 30 percent recidivism rate. I don't think that is anything to write home about. Then you have these five.

Secretary of State John Kerry said it was baloney that they would attack again --


PERINO: -- and those are the kind of words that could come back to haunt you. I hope it doesn't but I never would have said that.

GUTFELD: You know why he call it baloney, because he married into the Heinz fortune. So, he's got meat on his mind constantly.


BECKEL: Heinz is not meat. It's ketchup.

GUTFELD: I know, but ketchup is put on meat.

PERINO: On a hotdog, on baloney.

GUTFELD: All right. Speaking of John Kerry, Dianne Feinstein called him out about the bogus claims about these guys weren't a threat. Let's roll that.


JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: I'm not telling you that they don't have some ability at some point to go back and get involved, but they also have an ability to get killed doing that.

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D), CALIFORNIA: I heard John Kerry this morning saying, don't worry about them. You can't help but worry about them in Doha. And we have no information on how the United States is actually going to see that they remain in Doha, that they make no comments, that they do no agitation and another rumor is one Taliban has apparently said that he would return to the battlefield.


GUTFELD: Jesse, is this scandal that finally breaks ranks among the Democrats? When you have people like Dianne Feinstein saying this guy is making no sense?

WATTERS: You would think so. You know, politicians hate when they are ignored. It's a really big blow to their egos.

Let's pick up on what John Kerry said. The terrorists could get killed when they go back on the battlefield. They know that. They're terrorists. They fight. That's what they do. They are risking that every day.

Administration has flip-flopped there, OK? In 2011, you had a terrorist, one of these five, (INAUDIBLE), I have no idea how to pronounce his name, but the Obama administration went to court to argue that this guy was so dangerous that they couldn't release him. He was responsible for mass (INAUDIBLE) in Afghanistan. He was best buddies with Mullah Omar. He was trading weapons with Iran.

So, I don't know where they stand, like three years ago, he was too dangerous and now, he's OK.

BECKEL: There's not going to be a battlefield in Afghanistan now because the United States has pulled its troops out.

WATTERS: It's going to be a safe zone to launch attacks and consolidate power.

PERINO: The negotiation wasn't with Afghanistan. The negotiation was directly with the Taliban, and I do think there's a difference.


PERINO: If you read the front page -- no. It was the Taliban who agreed that Qatar was an acceptable place to put them. That was the deal to get Bergdahl back. That wasn't just to go to Qatar.

BECKEL: Well, I still make my point. What difference does it make? And to borrow Hillary Clinton --

PERINO: That's a great line.

GUILFOYLE: That's a good language for you and Hillary.

BECKEL: Where is it? If you have no U.S. soldiers on the battlefield anywhere, they're out of Iraq, thank God. We're almost completely out of Afghanistan. Who are they going to kill?

GUTFELD: They are going to kill us, which they have done before.

BECKEL: If you guys are keep in mind that was 13 years ago --

PERINO: Oh, jeez.


GUTFELD: You have to say that was 13 years ago, dude. Then it's OK.

Kimberly, your thoughts?

GUILFOYLE: Those are Bob's talking points.

BECKEL: No, it's not that. I mean, it was a terrible thing --

GUILFOYLE: But, Bob, you can't actually believe what you are saying.

BECKEL: Of course I believe it.

GUILFOYLE: I really don't believe that you can in this instance, I don't think it's a good idea to release these guys. You can't just say, oh, categorically, shut down Gitmo?

But you really think there's not going to be a security concerns and for our troops serving as well by letting these guys out and to Americans at home? These aren't people who are incapable. They are in Gitmo for a reason. They have not become rehabilitated. They are waiting for their next move.

PERINO: And the last 149 are the hardest ones to get to clear out of Gitmo, I shouldn't say rid off, but to clear out of Gitmo, because of the concerns about how dangerous they were and not being convinced that the assurances. I don't think that the White House did a good enough job of assuring that, plus I think the other question that "The New York Times," the front page story raises today what did we get for the swap? Because apparently, we were trying to get some sort of next step talks and -- we did get our soldier back which wasn't -- that wasn't the original plan. So, there's a question about that on the policy.

And also just my last point on politics is getting the buy-in from Senator Dianne Feinstein should have been the first priority and the easiest thing to do and they said that the contempt shown to congress is what has tied them up in knots. That's why you have more Democrats coming out and say, this doesn't up, even after they've been briefed in close session.

BECKEL: Democrats are coming up because they are facing a very perilous situation.

PERINO: I think on the merits after that hearing last --

BECKEL: Very few merits on Capitol Hill.

GUTFELD: Bob, you have a spacious apartment. I think the first thing you should do after the show is volunteer two of your bedrooms for some of these guys.

BECKEL: They have been several attempts in the United States apparently, and they have been thwarted by the FBI and Homeland Security.

GUTFELD: Nobody wants them here.

BECKEL: Well, they have -- we've gotten very good at intercepting them. Why are we worried about sending them back overseas? If we can intercept them now, we can intercept them -- if we have the capability to do that?

GUTFELD: I hope so.

PERINO: That shows such naivete.

GUILFOYLE: It really does. You think it's catch and release like you catch a fish, you feel bad, you give it a kiss --

PERINO: I think we have to use all the tools at our disposal in order to protect us. One of those was to have the military tribunals at Gitmo. Another way is to release them if you feel reassured. The reassurances here are lacking.

That's not coming from me. The nine out of 10 phrase came from the top national security testifying in front of a closed session.

BECKEL: Why don't we just try them and find him guilty --

PERINO: Well, that's a great question. Why don't they?

WATTERS: The president likes to say that Gitmo is one of the biggest recruiting tools for al Qaeda? What do you think it is now? Gitmo is one of biggest recruiting tools for terrorist? What is it now? They're basically saying, hey, guys, why don't you join the Taliban and al Qaeda, you can fight America, they'll bring you to Gitmo, they won't kill you, and then they'll release you after you play soccer in the tropics for two years? I mean, what kind of recruiting tool is that?


WATTERS: You and your party have been saying that over the last 10 years --


WATTERS: -- why we're shutting it down already --

PERINO: Ay ay ay.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, your team said that.

GUTFELD: The argument is, because Gitmo is so bad like Abu Ghraib, that it would create more terrorists. However, if this logic is true, then you shouldn't have any forms of imprisonment should you. You shouldn't have any methods to punish bad people because it creates more bad people.


BECKEL: A group of people who aren't civilized themselves and that was the recruiting tool for terrorism.

GUTFELD: I agree, but I don't think so.

BECKEL: Why not -- to get back to this. Why not put them, try them, they're going to be convicted or put them in Leavenworth.

GUTFELD: All right.

BECKEL: Or put them to death if you want to. I don't believe in death penalty.

GUTFELD: I don't think they can go to Leavenworth.

WATTERS: I don't think Kansas wants them.

PERINO: They can't come (INAUDIBLE) on U.S. soil because that changes their status from enemy combatant to --

GUILFOYLE: And then they're afforded all the different protections.

GUTFELD: I'd say Iran should do that in Harry Reid's district.

GUILFOYLE: I don't want him here either.

BECKEL: I'd tell you, load them up and put them to Iran.

GUTFELD: All right. I'm with you on that one.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, give them to Iran, good idea.

WATTERS: That's great.

GUTFELD: All right. We got to move on.

More to come on Bergdahl ahead, including a new report that says the White House reportedly allowed his parents to hear sensitive information at high level meetings about the capture of their. Dana has it, next.


PERINO: New details are emerging on Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl condition in Germany. The 28-year-old is reportedly not ready to come home and refusing to talk to his parents.

"The Washington Times" is reporting the White House had granted Bergdahl's parents extraordinary access to as many as 20 high level meetings over the last five years. They were allegedly allowed to take part and secure video conferences with intelligence officials and senior military officials.

Meanwhile, according to "The National Journal", a lot of Democrats have had enough with the Obama administration and its inability to communicate effectively, citing the Bergdahl case is the tipping point.

Ron Fournier says one of them is even a close adviser to the White House. He appeared on FOX News earlier.


RON FOURNIER, NATIONAL JOURNAL: With Bergdahl, the problem isn't with the swap itself. It's with the dishonest and unclear way they explained it both to Congress and to the public, and in causing a bigger political problem than this has to be. Democrats, we take them on background where you can protect their names, and they are speaking honestly. They are very frustrated with the president politically right now, very frustrated.


PERINO: And Ron Fournier goes on in that piece to talk about -- actually -- he keeps -- he keeps their identities private, but he does cite several emails.

Greg, if you start, if you're at a magazine, and you start to hear from not the president's critics, regular critics, but from some of his closest advisers, do you think they've got serious problems or very serious problems?

GUTFELD: Yes. This is the first time that you've actually seen like chaos and it reflects how badly the roll-out was played. The Rose -- with the Rose Garden, President Obama thought he was pulling a rabbit out of a hat and he pulled a rodent and I will say this, there's lots of ambiguity and confusion about this kid that I don't think I enough about. There might be emotional problems. There probably is.

But there is no ambiguity when you talk to somebody in the military. They call a spade a spade. I talked to a buddy of mine who is a green beret. He said the guy is a traitor, people died because of him, welcome home. Here's your court martial date.

There's no ambiguity when you talk to the military. For us, we don't know and I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. But I haven't met anybody in the military who will.

PERINO: Well, Jesse, you were in Idaho this past weekend. Can you describe for us sort of the feelings on the ground amongst people he grew up with?

WATTERS: Sure. You know, I'm going to be doing this on "THE O'REILLY FACTOR" tonight.

PERINO: Oh, so we have the scoop?

WATTERS: So, tuned in, but I'll give you a little preview. A lot of the people I spoke to -- this guy was a naive kid. He was a mountain man. He was home schooled.

He wasn't the most sophisticated guy and he was more like of a Peace Corps guy. He wasn't a military kid. He might have gone over there, and maybe didn't want to shot the enemy. Maybe he wanted to help out the Afghan people.

He wandered away. It was a bone headed decision. He's going to pay the price. They don't want to be tried in the court of public opinion and they want to let this thing play out.

But to be perfectly honest, no one knows what happened to him and I don't know if we'll ever know until we hear from me. Right now, he's so deranged because he's been brutalized and kept in a shark tank supposedly.

I don't know. It's going to take years, possibly.

PERINO: I can't -- right, I think that that's very complex. Kimberly, is it interesting to you as somebody who used to do negotiations for a living and try people for a living, but on the negotiation side, to have the parents, it seems to have unprecedented access, to secure high- level meetings. It almost as if they were part of the negotiating team?

Would you -- would you have gone the same route? I might have, I don't know.

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I don't think that's a good idea. You know, when I was doing negotiating for death penalty cases, et cetera. I would bring in the family. I would consult them, you would talk to them, but we don't give them access to the file and to sensitive materials. I don't think that's the right move.

What kind of shocking to me is the family was given access to sensitive security materials, however they didn't bother to notify to members of Congress or follow the proper steps in terms of the protocol that was supposed to be -- there's a real dissect there. I don't think that's good. It's unprecedented and it shouldn't go down that way.

As far as the father, information I have is that dad was trying to go over there to negotiate and assist in the release of his son. Was advised not to do so but that's what he was trying to do. I'm sure he was quite vocal and adamant about bringing his son home. As for Bowe Bergdahl, I mean, he's not the peace-loving flower granola boy that you are saying.

There's another aspect to him as well. I mean, perhaps cerebral, yes. Perhaps a bit of an ideologue and following the footsteps of his father. But this is someone who was definitely a military enthusiast, really who had affection --

GUTFELD: He wanted to join the Foreign Legion.


GUILFOYLE: And wanted to also be a part of Special Forces. He had a job working at a range that a lot of Special Forces and SEALs were at. So let's not coat it like that. A lot more I'm sure is going to come out, but it's usually never that simple.

WATTERS: And that's what the hometown folks are saying.

GUILFOYLE: Well, because yes --

WATTERS: Exactly what the troops --

GUILFOYLE: And who have they have been talking to?


BECKEL: Who they have been talking to?

GUILFOYLE: A lot more than you.

BECKEL: Well, that may be.

GUILFOYLE: And a lot more than them.

PERINO: Bob, you are welcome to comment on any of this, but I wanted to ask you, do you think that Ron Fournier, the journalist that we quoted at the beginning, do you think that what he's hearing is an overreaction just from maybe like a small contingent, or do you think there is growing concern amongst the Democrats?

BECKEL: I know there's growing concern. Fournier is a pretty good reporter and knows the Democratic Party pretty well.

And we're just over a little hundred days from an election. This begins to happen. They are freaked out. They are worried about their seats and they begin to say that. This happens in every administration where there's been a president in trouble, you start to hear this, this far out.

By the way, it's not unprecedented. During the hostage crisis in Iran, I sat in on security briefings with members of the hostage families and they were given classified information about where they were in Iran and that sort of thing.

But it is not a normal course of events. That's true. But it's happened before.


BECKEL: And I will just say that we just don't know. When people say everybody in the military says he's a traitor, well, that's true. Every time you ask them, but they don't know.

PERINO: "The Washington Post" poll today, Greg, it has something like four out of 10 people think it was the wrong thing to do to swap them but if you were to ask military people in particular, their feelings are even more stronger.

GUTFELD: Yes, for them, they handed over five Chuck Norrises for one David Spade.

But, you know what the upside for President Obama is the scandal will pass as every scandal does, because another one will come along and who knows what next will happen. Will Obama give Alaska back to Russia in exchange for a Sochi Olympic key chain?

PERINO: That would have been an interesting topic today about Russia. I mean, one of the things that the White House kept saying during the Ukraine intervention was that Putin would be so isolated. But, yes, he's isolated, he got his own state dinner in France rather than not getting a dinner at all.

GUTFELD: He's shirtless.

BECKEL: Has this reached the level of scandal? I just want to be sure we got all these scandal, has this not reached the level of scandal?

GUTFELD: I think the IRS scandal is worse but this is the first time that the Democrats are breaking ranks. But I still think the IRS is the one -- the most important one because it was deliberate, malicious.

WATTERS: And they thought Obamacare, just that alone was going to cause the Democrats to lose the Senate, and then you add the V.A., you add Bergdahl, then you add the economy shrinking. I don't see how --

BECKEL: I'm just saying is scandal now considered -- is this part of the series of scandals? That's all.

GUTFELD: All right. What would constitute a scandal for you, Bob?


GUILFOYLE: Thank you, Dana.

BECKEL: Watergate. Iran-Contra.

GUTFELD: A plumber.

BECKEL: No, Iran-Contra.

PERINO: Watergate.

OK. Next, Hillary Clinton kicked off the marathon book tour with the first gaffe of her presumptive 2016 campaign rollout, or was it a gaffe? We're going to discuss. Stay tuned for this one, coming up on THE FIVE.



When you think of people have been dead broke, Greg Gutfeld, struggling to make ends meet, do Bill and Hillary Clinton come to mind? Well, listen how the former first lady justifies the multimillion dollar speaking fees she and her husband have earned since leaving the White House?


HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: We came out of the White House not only dead broke, but in debt. We had no money when we got there and we struggled to piece together the resources for mortgages for houses, for Chelsea's education. You know, it was not easy.

We had to make double the money because of, obviously, taxes and then pay off the debts and get us houses and take care of family members. I thought making speeches for money was a much better thing than getting connected with any one group or company, as so many people who leave public life do.


GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, Hillary may say she left office broke, but what about that $8 million advance she got for her first memoir, "Living History," in 2000 while Bill was still in office? Well, this was a "New York Times" headline at the time.

So should we feel that sorry for Hillary Clinton? That doesn't sound so good.

GUTFELD: Her pants are made of solid gold. You know, every -- by the way, the book, it's just a pant suit.

Every word in that book is basically written by committee to ensure that there would be -- no one would take offense. It's not a book. It's a scale model of a book. It's so safe a baby could eat it.

And that's the criticism that people are getting, that there's no controversy. And if there's no controversy, then there's probably no truth, right? If you have to smooth it out so much, what else is in there? You need to have a couple of things in there that go "poof" and make you want to read it, but there's nothing there.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Dana. So what do you think of this interview, her comments, especially since, you know, she's still being touted as 2016?

PERINO: On that question in particular, I think that what Diane Sawyer was asking is something that maybe some people on the left are going to question Hillary Clinton about, which is wait a second. You say that you're all for the little guy, but you're making, I think, $200,000 a speech is actually low from reports that I've heard. Maybe not for every speech, but some of them have been considerably higher than that.

And who's paying for those speeches? A lot of them like Goldman Sachs, Citibank, Chase. You know, all these banks, they want to have her there, because she is an influential person. I would go hear her speak, too.

I don't think she was -- I don't think she was prepared well enough to answer that question, because now, instead of the headline being something else that she would like to talk about, it's ridicule about, how could you possibly say you were broke? Maybe they felt that they didn't have a lot of money coming out of their perspective, right? Their own financial security is however they define it. But when you leave a White House, you definitely have the potential to make a lot of money, and reportedly Bill Clinton's book was -- his advance was $15 million.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, this is time for me to bring Jesse in on this to see if Bob's head pops right off his shoulders. Let's take a listen to Hillary on Benghazi, get Jesse's comments and then Bob's explosion.


CLINTON: What I did was give very direct instructions that the people who have the expertise and experience in security ...

DIANE SAWYER, ABC NEWS: But personally, you...

CLINTON: That is personal, Diane. I am not -- I'm not equipped to sit and look at blueprints to determine where the blast walls need to be or where the reinforcements need to be. That's why we hire people who have that expertise.


GUILFOYLE: Sufficient explanation?

WATTERS: No, I mean, she's still not taking any responsibility. Even Diane Sawyer would like her to say, you know, maybe you say, "I could have done this or I should have done this." Where's the evidence that she instructed anybody to boost security?

In fact, leading up to the attack, you had the Red Cross attacked by an RPG. You had a grenade thrown into the compound. The British convoy was attacked. There was multiple requests for more security, and there was none given. So it's still inexplicable what she did, if she did anything.

BECKEL: Has anyone noticed how boring these shows have gone lately?

GUILFOYLE: I don't think so, Bob. And the ratings are up.

BECKEL: We don't get a chance to yuck it up here. And all these things are so depressing.

First of all, if you all believe -- I have no comment to make on Benghazi. The book deal is -- it is the free market you all extol. George Bush got 7 million for his memoirs. Bill Clinton got 15...

GUILFOYLE: We don't have a problem with that.

BECKEL: No, well, I mean...

GUILFOYLE: What are you talking about?

BECKEL: You seem to have a problem with her speaking fees.

WATTERS: No, it's just funny how she gets all squirmy when she defends making money.

GUILFOYLE: No. We're saying -- the whole thing beginning -- was about how she says we dead broke, we got no money. We got no money.

PERINO: Would you have advised her to answer the question in a way which said, "We were dead broke when we left the White House"?

BECKEL: I would not. I would not.

PERINO: That's the point. That's what we're talking about. I think she's out of practice as a campaigner.

BECKEL: I think that's right.

PERINO: And it's going to take a while.

BECKEL: I'm persuaded she's probably -- I'm one of people who think she's not going to run. But that's -- maybe if she wasn't ready for all these questions, then she probably will get them again. She'll be...

PERINO: The strange thing on Benghazi is that previously, about six or eight weeks ago, in a speech, remember we did a segment here where she took responsibility for what had gone wrong. So she had already answered that question. I thought she'd answered it well at that point.

GUTFELD: To support Bob, you know, the Republicans have to pay attention. And you can heckle the opposing team all you want, but if you don't suit up, nobody is going to remember this when she's president.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I hear what you're saying.

GUTFELD: You know what I mean.

GUILFOYLE: And then she had some other comments, too. On Bergdahl saying that it doesn't matter, you know, what his status was. Said we just bring our people home. So we'll see.

I think she stays consistent on the message, that that would help. But somebody obviously told her that wasn't good.

PERINO: And also, to Greg's point, I wonder if she's going to -- if she decides to run, if she's going to write another book where she would have her forward-looking ideas and her plans for America, especially on the economic front. I think this book might be too vanilla for that. Maybe she has another one in the works.

GUILFOYLE: I think she has to.

WATTERS: You know what she should have said? She should have said, "You know what? I was so dead broke. That's why I stole all the china from the White House and took it to Chappaqua."

GUILFOYLE: OK. Only gets bad (ph) now on "The Five." Next, Jesse has an update on comedian Tracy Morgan, who was critically injured in a car crash on the weekend on a highway. Plus, new...

BECKEL: I thought he died.


BECKEL: He's alive?

GUILFOYLE: Plus new details about the truck driver accused of causing the deadly collision. Stay tuned, and Bob will learn something, too.


WATTERS: America's most popular comedian is in very bad condition at a hospital in New Jersey after a deadly crash this weekend. But a spokesman for Tracy Morgan says he's becoming more responsive, thankfully.

A big rig slammed into the back of a limo bus Morgan was riding in. Fellow passenger and friend James McNair was killed.

Today we learned from a criminal complaint that the driver of the Wal- Mart truck hadn't slept for more than 24 hours before the crash. Thirty- five-year-old Kevin Roper has been charged with death by auto and four counts of assault by auto. He'll appear in court on Wednesday.

All right. Well, trucker fatigue is probably a big problem. I mean, the guy was up for 24 hours. These guys are popping pills, drinking Red Bulls just to stay awake. Is this a legitimate problem in this country?

BECKEL: Sure it's a legitimate problem. I think the bigger problem is the people -- I drove a long haul. I didn't drive. I was on a long- haul for United Van Lines when I was in college, driving across the country. It is a bear. And they have to get it there at a certain time. So the pressure on the drivers to get there by the companies are very strong.

But the biggest problems I saw on the road for these truckers were lousy drivers. People would cut them off. People would, you know, it was -- those truck drivers are very good drivers.

Now, the problem is when you go to a truck stop, you can get two things right away.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, jeez.

BECKEL: Speed and the other thing.


BECKEL: And the...

PERINO: And cinnamon rolls.

BECKEL: Tootsie rolls, right. But it's a tragedy.

GUTFELD: Bugles. I buy Bugles.

BECKEL: But I don't -- I think there are laws against this. How much -- you're supposed to keep a log of when you sleep. They can all phony that log up.


BECKEL: And every state has its own -- you have to get a decal for every state you drive through. The guy who drove for us at the United Van Lines, he would drive sometimes 18, 20 hours, and for which he was a little bit high by the time he got to the end. But he was under pressure to deliver at a certain time.

WATTERS: Now Kimberly...


WATTERS: ... this was a Wal-Mart truck.


WATTERS: Legally, there's a lot at play here. They have apologized and offered to compensate. Now, the driver of the truck, on his Twitter account, his big thing was move or get hit.


WATTERS: Now, is that something that's admissible in court?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I think it's something they should definitely try to get into evidence. It's certainly relevant and probative as to, you know, his state of mind of perhaps the kind of driver he was, especially if they say he was being reckless or careless. Is there any indication that he's falsified logs before.

He has like two paths going here: the criminal and then a civil wrongful death lawsuit. Wal-Mart, like you pointed out correctly, having - - that's their truck, but they'll say perhaps this guy was an independent contractor or did he work directly for them? They'll try and avoid some responsibility. But under respondeat superior, it's very likely they are going to have to foot a substantial bill here. And he's going to do time.

WATTERS: Right. Is this a left-right issue? The truckers, are they going to say, you know, "This is a labor issue. And we need all of our rights?" The business interests, are they going to say, you know, "You've got to keep the economy moving"?

PERINO: I think in a lot of ways the business and the truckers, the drivers, actual workers, that their actual interests are aligned. And if you look at the fatality rate, 2 percent of fatality rates are related to trucks, and so I think that there is a movement afoot by some to change things.

And there are these hours and rest rules that they have. One of the problems is that the government has this one-size-fits-all approach, where they want to say, "OK, when you -- after you've driven 11 hours, you have to stop, no matter what time of day it is, and you have to rest for ten hours."

And so one of the questions is, if you stop at noon, and then you're supposed to try to rest then, you're driving all night, and then you could cause additional problems.

So I think that there are things like electronic logs, rather than falsifying your logs, or electronic ones. The industry is trying to do with technology that the government should do before they go full bore on these other rules.

BECKEL: They drive at night, by the way, because they avoid traffic. That's one of the reasons, mostly.

GUTFELD: Yes. I have two observations. One that's anecdotal. I'm always -- it's an unscientific fact, but when people are in their own vehicles, they always buckle up. You know, they get in; they buckle up. But in cabs or in hired cars, they never do. I never buckle up. My wife doesn't.

GUILFOYLE: You don't? Do you?

GUTFELD: And these -- and it's often those are the accidents in New York with these cars that crash and people go flying.

The other thing is I'm always amazed how much trust we place in perfect strangers on the freeway. Any moment, someone could end your life.

GUILFOYLE: What about in Yellow Cabs?

GUTFELD: But I mean, freeways, to me, are the best example of self- interest cooperating or just self-interest and cooperation coinciding. Nobody wants to die.

WATTERS: No one wants to die. That's right.

All right. And our thoughts go out to Tracy Morgan.

Still to come, his horse didn't win the Triple Crown, and let's just say Steve Coburn hasn't exactly been the most gracious loser. Today, California Chrome's co-owner apologized after a series of meltdowns over the loss. You'll hear that next.


California Chrome didn't win the Triple Crown over the week. Co-owner Steve Coburn was understandably upset by the loss and used a post-race interview to unleash a rant for the ages.


STEVE COBURN, CO-OWNER, CALIFORNIA CHROME: In my lifetime I'll never see another Triple Crown winner because of the way they do this. It's not fair to these horses that have been in the game since day one. They won't run in the Kentucky Derby or the Preakness. They'll wait until the Belmont. You know what? If you've got a horse, run him in all three. This is the coward's way out.

These people, they nominate their horses for the Triple Crown, which means three. Triple, three. And then they hold out two, and then come back and run one. That would be like me at 62 playing basketball with a kid in a wheelchair.


BECKEL: Well, I don't know about that. But let me just say a couple things. One, I thought California Chrome at the end of that race just did not have -- the jockey was on the whip, and it didn't have -- he didn't have the last quarter of a mile in.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, that's the thing.

BECKEL: The thing that Coburn's got to be careful of is he's brand- new to the racing business. There are people who are bred -- horses they breed just for the Belmont, for a long race. That's a mile and a half. It's very tough. And to put horses in three races, it's unprecedented. He probably didn't know that all that well. I can understand why he got upset.

But what bothers me is this guy had such a great reputation. He could have made a fortune endorsing anything, Coburn, that is. His horse was doing very well. But I think that hurt him a whole lot. Don't you think, Dana, that was a...

PERINO: Yes, I think that the sore loser bit ruined the fairy tale story.


PERINO: So I think -- otherwise, they could have done some sort of funny commercials and things, I think, with the horse, and everybody was loving that story.

I do want to say that we had a hard time watching the race at our house, because Bob, you were blocking the whole 60-inch TV so you can get up close and see it. Oh, my God.

BECKEL: You think the apology did him any good?

GUILFOYLE: We have the apology. You want to take a listen? I'll tell you what we think.

We don't have time for it. So I'll tell you that I think he really didn't need to apologize. I kind of don't blame him. I was mad, too. And he was being human and showing emotion, which apparently is illegal nowadays. No one's allowed to be real.

The fact of the matter is his horse is money. The horse is amazing. Everybody wanted the horse to win. And yes, you throw on fresh horses. I kind of would like somebody to make a rule and say, "You know what? Have - - all the horses have to run in all three." That would be cool.

BECKEL: Jesse, they don't do that, though.


GUILFOYLE: I know they don't do that. I'm saying it would be nice.

WATTERS: And they haven't done that for a hundred years.

BECKEL: Yes, right.

WATTERS: So that's the thing. And you know what? It's the hardest sports achievement in sports. I mean, it hasn't been done for 30 years. And it's hard because they run these guys in the Belmont to take these guys out. If he had complained about it...

GUILFOYLE: See, that's what he said. He just said what you said.

WATTERS: It's true. It's a bunch of animals running around in a circle with guys who bet on them and drink scotch. It's not like a -- it's not Wimbledon, OK?

And if you complained about it before the race, then that would have been one thing, but to complain it after the race, it's sour grapes.

BECKEL: I mean, the rules are the rules. He knew the rules going in, and I don't think but half of the horses...

GUILFOYLE: So what? He's mad. I would be too if my horse lost.

BECKEL: Mad, but what I'm saying is, what Dana was saying is this was a wonderful story about this guy, and you know, this guy is this blue- collar worker bringing this horse...

GUILFOYLE: The best part is his wife is grabbing him and telling him...

BECKEL: Greg, you're probably not interested in this story that much.


BECKEL: What do you think of him?

GUTFELD: Well, you know when someone tells the truth? They apologize after.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: You know, I think what's great here is, after this fiasco, I read that the horse is going to be taking some time off to spend time with his family and get things together. But can you blame him? Horse racing is terrible for the horse. You go -- you have a sweaty man on your back for two minutes. I mean, what's that like? Anyway.

BECKEL: Those are -- those are a couple tight (ph) horses that would have you on the back. I don't think it would bother them all that much.

"One More Thing" is up next.


GUTFELD: Time for "One More Thing," and it's time for my banned phrase: "Rock This." When somebody says, "Oh, look, she's really rocking that dress" or "Hey, you can rock that hat," you should only be rocking a crib. Just say it looks nice. Shut up!

GUILFOYLE: It's the angriest part of the show.

PERINO: I just want to say we had a great birthday for Peter's birthday. I have a couple pictures, Friday night at the 21 Club. Bob's toast brought the house down. A great cake with pictures of the two countries, the two dogs, the plane and the new Harley sidecar. It was very fun. That was the family dinner last night, and then my cousin, Mike Newman, bonded with Jasper this morning at Central Park.

GUTFELD: What a surprise.

PERINO: As you know, America's dog, and I got him in another show.

GUILFOYLE: Bob really did kill it. We were like, Bob, why shouldn't you do that every day at work? Oh, my God. It was amazing.

PERINO: Ruled the night.

BECKEL: I try to make you laugh at work. It's just that sometimes these topics are not laughable.

GUILFOYLE: You're right. It's the material you have to work with.


GUILFOYLE: All right, in passing, I hope you don't mind this, Dana. I'm going to just jump into your whole Bush situation.


GUILFOYLE: Former first lady Barbara Bush celebrated her 89th birthday yesterday. Dana, were you there?

PERINO: No, I was not there. But I wish her a happy birthday, as well.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely, and there's another birthday this week coming up, Dana. Do you know who it is?

PERINO: Big birthday. It is Greta.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

PERINO: Also 41; 41 will be 90.

GUTFELD: No, 90 is going to be 41.

GUILFOYLE: That's correct. Dana Perino, taking home the big prize today, like an episode of "Jeopardy."

PERINO: And Bob told me not to study so much.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, exactly.

GUTFELD: All right. All right. Jesse.

GUILFOYLE: Happy birthday.

WATTERS: OK. Yankees, Royals last night. One of the Yankees shot down the first base line. Check it out.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roberts hit one exact first. Down the right field, and the ball boy touches the ball, and he should not have. Oblivious to the fact that it was fair.


WATTERS: Poor kid. All right. So then the next inning, same -- same thing happened. Check it out.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the ball boy wants no part of that. Didn't even move. He wanted to make sure. Now you're just not doing your job, kid.


WATTERS: Oh. That's...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God!

PERINO: He's so mean.

GUTFELD: He was actually imprisoned, that child. He's still in jail.

WATTERS: He's in Gitmo, I think.

GUTFELD: Yes, they sent him to Gitmo. He deserves it, I think, Bob.

Bob, guess what? We have plenty of time for you.

BECKEL: Well, thank you. I -- yesterday, I didn't do well betting on the Belmont, because the person who was betting for me was our executive producer, Porter Berry, who was supposed to be shown in this "One More Thing."

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

BECKEL: But he refused to allow us to have a camera on him upstairs in the control room, because he's a wuss.

Now here's the thing: Porter called me, texted me at least 15 times to ask me what it meant to box four horses. Now, is that too terribly difficult?

GUTFELD: I know that.

BECKEL: There are four different numbers for the horses. You go up and say, "Can I box four horses?" And he asked me over and over and over again. It was a good race. I'll tell you one thing, the charm just didn't have it in the last...

GUILFOYLE: Charm? You mean Chrome.

BECKEL: Chrome, rather. Chrome.

GUILFOYLE: And you told all the people to bet on Chrome. You bet on Charm.

BECKEL: You bet on the wrong horse. I threw the winner in at the last, one of the four.

WATTERS: That's right. Yes. Well, I mean, if you're going to take advice from a guy that doesn't know the lingo, maybe you shouldn't...

BECKEL: I shouldn't have asked Porter about sheep racing.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: I like horse racing despite the neigh-sayers.

GUILFOYLE: Like that.

GUTFELD: Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." Back here tomorrow.

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