Obama vows 'no apologies' in Taliban-for-Bergdahl trade

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," June 5, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert. Fox News chief Washington correspondent James Rosen has learned that Army Sergeant Bow Bergdahl converted to Islam during his captivity with the Taliban and even considered himself a, quote, warrior to Islam according to secret documents. Rosen will have much more on special report in the next hour but let's discuss these shocking new developments right here on "The Five."

Eric, these documents showed that he converted to Islam, he considered himself a Mujh Jadeed. He also said that he was kept in a cage while he was part of this camp run by the Haqqani network. Does this significantly change the game because it confirms what his fellow soldiers have been saying that the White House has been trying to dispute for days?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So, here's what came out today since the last time we were here. New York Times reported that Bergdahl on two separate occasions walked off from the base that he was at, one time in California, one time in Afghanistan. Prior to the time that he allegedly walked off and was captured or whatever happened with the Taliban.

As you point out, he converted to Islam. He declared himself a warrior for Islam while he was in captivity. Add that to the e-mail to the parents, add that to the journal he left behind and what you end up with, the same facts with one extra fact that the Obama administration despite of all their victory dance in the end zone, way too soon. I understand they still want to get him back, he's an American, you want to get him back. But before you go ahead and parade the parents out and ,you know, do your rose garden thing, you better make sure who the guy you're saving really is.

TANTAROS: Dana, according to this report that James Rosen has filed, Bergdahl was the subject of a, quote, major classified file prepared by the U.S. intelligence community and that they had been monitoring him for years. So, it is again impossible to think that somehow the White House didn't know if our intelligence community was preparing this massive file that showed that he in fact had ties to this Haqqani group.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Right. So again, not illegitimate questions. I think the reasonable questions that Americans are asking trying to get answers from the administration.

But the question about James Rosen's report although is that James he maybe he knows more about this, that what if he was made to convert by his cap -- by the Haqqani network by the Taliban? Maybe he was willing to be converted but perhaps he was under duress, if it's true that he was kept for five days upon his recapture. After he escapes for a little while and gets captured, they put him in a metal cage for five days. That might explain the White House in State Department the seemingly -- they had some confidence that there was something yet to come out that would make Americans feel more sympathetic towards him.

I think this also raises yet another question. I've been praising the army for the care and feeding of the family of Bergdahl and for his rescue and handoff. But I think that if this is true, was the Intel community not communicating directly with the Defense Department in telling them that they had a problem within their ranks? We know that the platoon members were telling their higher ups that they thought there was a problem there. So, why is he - why is Bergdahl not removed from the theater earlier and either given an honorable or dishonorable discharge? I think that too is a reasonable question to ask.

TANTAROS: And this also doesn't make a lot of sense, Greg. The state department's spokeswoman came out and said, we're still trying to figure out the fact. And then yesterday she vary with certitude said, all these aren't the facts, when the reporter asked about what his fellow soldiers were saying. Doesn't it seem more and more that the White House had the facts and that they were trying to suppress the story. I mean, there are reports that they were trying to suppress the associated press and Time Magazine or New York Times, I should say, from mentioning Bergdahl. Is it harder and harder to believe that they didn't know that this was a problem?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: This is the consequence of political urgency. They wanted to get this thing done. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't read half of this stuff. By the way, I don't see how converting to Islam is a bad thing. Not to do so would've been Islamophobic.

Let's face it, you know, you have to be polite while you're there. The thing is -- it could very easily be Stockholm syndrome where you become enamoured by your captors. In Stockholm its called Cleveland syndrome, it seems to be called Stockholm syndrome by proxy cause it seems like his dad has become sympathetic as well. This is a mess. You can't condemn this poor guy for what he's gone through, and you can't be sure if he was vulnerable or if he sought this out.

But it reveals like what Eric says, how poorly rolled out this exchange was, it's like we gave five Mercedes for a slinky. He could've -- President Obama could have acknowledged all of this stuff, all of this complexity and said, despite the fact this guy could be a criminal, he could be bad, we need him because he has a wealth of information and he could be dangerous. He may be a risk. And he's not a hero. But we need him. That's all he had to say. By the way, this guy is still a sergeant.

TANTAROS: Here's what I don't understand, Juan. If they knew that there were issues with Bergdahl, wouldn't it make more sense for the White House to say, as part of this prisoner swap, we need to get him back because we do believe he could be collaborating with them, giving him intelligence? He could be working -- we've got to get him back on our side and then court- martial him? Wouldn't that make a little bit more sense, then the White House wouldn't have to go against the military. They could say, look, this was a national security threat. That's why we got him back. And not give us these just lame excuses about his health and all this other stuff. Mixed facts that we've been hearing.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, first of all, I think everybody knew the background on Bergdahl. Rolling Stone had written about this several years ago. I think it had been out there, I think there's any secret about Bergdahl not being fully committed and in fact there was information about the fact that the troop with the platoon he was in had tremendous discordant issues. People not getting along, poor quality leadership. There was a very unfortunate tweet out of the White House today saying that some of those guys were going after Bergdahl. I thought that was really wrong.

Listen, they can say what they want to say, but the fact is people knew the issue. But I think, Andrea, the key answer to your point is it's separate from whether or not you go back as commander in chief and get someone of your own country, your military soldier and get him back from the enemy.

TANTAROS: But if that were, Juan, if that were true, President Obama would not leave Sergeant Tahmooressi in a prison in Mexico and wouldn't have.


TANTAROS: They're not consistent when it comes to leaving them behind.

WILLIAMS: We're fighting a war. We're not fighting a war in Mexico.

TANTAROS: But the president says we're not it fighting a war against.

WILLIAMS: I don't know, you may know as more than I do, Greg. But let me just say one more thing.

TANTAROS: You can't cherry pick when you're gonna leave men behind and when you're not.

WILLIAMS: It's a war, we're in a war. That man was sent there to fight an enemy, to risk his life and die. But let me just say one more thing. I think when the president said this so well today, he showed compassion to a family that sent their child overseas to fight a war for the United States. And he has not had the opportunity, you know, when kids come back in wooden boxes, he writes a letter but he doesn't have the opportunity to say to them, listen, we understand the sacrifice your family made. He did for this man.

BOLLING: Juan, allow me so if you're right and the administration, President Obama read the 2012 Rolling Stone article and realized that this guy may have been a bad guy, was it advisable for Susan Rice to go out on Sunday and say he served honorably and with distinction?

WILLIAMS: I don't know about with distinction but it's clearly that's a judgment made by the military. Even the military as I understand promoted him to sergeant.

PERINO: But there's a reason for that.

WILLIAMS: Go ahead. So, in 2009 and in 2010, the Pentagon issued two separate reports saying that questioning whether or not he was honorable. And then he was, absent -- they didn't describe him as AWOL or a deserter because they hadn't talked to him so they didn't know. The reason he's promoted to sergeant is not because he had any particular distinction. It's was just time served. It's like a clock ticks over.

WILLIAMS: My point to you, Dana, is if there was in fact a sense this man had behaved dishonorably, et cetera, et cetera, you don't have to do anything. You could say you know what we honor the fact that he is being held as prisoner.

PERINO: I just don't want to give the impression that he got a promotion from the Defense Department based on merits. It was based on time served.

WILLIAMS: Well, look. But look if they're putting me in a cage and they've got me for five years.

PERINO: But that's not why he was, because they didn't know that.

WILLIAMS: I know that. But I'm just saying this is a horrible situation.

TANTAROS: And I don't think it the cage fact really matters. Because if it's true, according to the time that Obama had been negotiating to get him out, for years, this prisoner release, he wanted to get rid of these prisoners, well of course the Taliban's gonna keep their golden ticket to getting their five guys back of course they're gonna keep him in a cage, whether he's part of their warrior of Islam or not.

WILLIAMS: What I saw in this morning's papers was that one of the fears the administration has was they were gonna kill him. Because they felt that his value was decreasing to the Taliban.

BOLLING: Hey, hey, Juan, why did that come out today five days later?

WILLIAMS: Because what they had was they have to go back to the hill and have the secret briefing that.

BOLLING: Don't you really think that we're kind of making they're kind of making this up as they go along, hey you know what let's just say Taliban threatened to kill him if we leaked any of this information. They had five days to do that. This have -- if this came down on Saturday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday , Tuesday, Wednesday. Thursday now, almost six days to say, we had to do this now because there was a threat that he was gonna be killed.

TANTAROS: And, we have to go to this someone. Hang on one second. The president doubling down today, he's not second-guessing his decision on Bergdahl. Again, doubling down at a press conference today. Take a listen.


PRESIDENT OBAMA: We had a prisoner of war whose health had deteriorated, and we were deeply concerned about it and we saw an opportunity and we seized it. And I'm making no apologies for it that.


PERINO: Greg, no apologies for this it decision.

GUTFELD: Well he's not going to apologize to us. He only apologizes to our enemies. We'll be right back.


GUTFELD: So, they say it was a -- they say it was a health issue, and the fact is we can't tell internally if he has issues. If he was mentally ill, physically he looked better than me.

WILLIAMS: That ain't saying much.


GUTFELD: I know he could write a book The Taliban's guide to six pack abs. But no we don't know he could be in serious, serious health problems but remember John McCain was in serious -- I mean he was in bad shape. And he stayed there when he could have gone out. But, I mean, I don't know -- I don't know what you could say, is he in bad health? I don't know. I think, what is President Obama going to say, that's what he is going to say.


WILLIAMS: What did McCain say today? McCain said today that the poor man was in isolation. And John McCain who was with other people says I won't even talk about the kind of psychological.

PERINO: What else did John McCain say? He said in the interview if I have it with me the exact words, but he said that, yes, he would want Bergdahl to get back. He wanted him to be rescued, he would have been willing to do some sort of a swap but then he didn't know any of the details, so the details matter to members of congressman, including Senator John McCain.

WILLIAMS: Everybody.

PERINO: Then he said today, is that if he would have known that it was these five Taliban that were going to be released, that he would agreed with Clapper, Panetta and all the other intelligence community that said, we absolutely do it not have confidence that they would not return to the battlefield and kill more Americans. For the full picture, I mean, it's more complex.

GUTFELD: Yes, I don't think you can make a judgment on the guy's health from like looking at that because you don't know what's going on in his head and what's happened internally. He could have God knows what.

BOLLING: You know what you can do, though. You can change the dialogue, you could change the debate. It was health issues for five days, we had to hurry up his health was failing. We compared it to a video that we saw, whatever two years ago, it looks like his health was failing. That was the debate. That was the reason they said they had to go now. Couldn't get Congress to.

GUTFELD: Yes, it was politically expedient.

BOLLING: But then we see the video, and we see a guy who walks on his own, he gets to helicopter, he climbs in the helicopter and the debate -- among tables, on TV, he says, well, he wasn't in such bad shape. Couldn't they have waited a few more days and all of a sudden it becomes, oh, I forgot to tell you, Taliban said if they don't release him they're going to kill him.

PERINO: Which is a different issue which.

GUTFELD: Which is a health problem. You do die. When somebody is going to kill you it's a health problem.



TANTAROS: But President Obama has wanted to release these five Gitmo detainees for years.

PERINO: They're some of the hardest ones to get rid of.

TANTAROS: He's been trying to release them and close Gitmo the day even before he was captured. Dana, can I play this for you? Juan, I heard you mentioned this kid, using the term this kid, Bowe Bergdahl as a kid. You may have gotten the memo from the White House, because Dana the President used very similar wordings today at the press conference when he referred to Bergdahl as just a kid.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I am responsible for those kids. And I get letters from parents who say, if you are in fact sending my child to war, make sure that child is being taken care of. And I write too many letters to folks who unfortunately don't see their children again after fighting a war. This is somebody's child. And that we don't condition whether or not we make the effort to try to get them back.


PERINO: OK. I don't like to use the word "kids" either. I gave Bob Beckel a hard time about it the other day because at the age of 18 at some point we have to get over this it delayed adolescence in America. At 18, if you decided to fight for your country or smoke weed in Colorado or whatever you get to do now, vote, those are actions that he was a man of conscious. He made decisions. I do think in some ways that President Obama's team might say, well, we used to say bring our boys home. OK. What's the difference between boys and kids. I think we understand the distinction. But I also think that when I hear President Obama talking about Bergdahl as a kid and all of this compassion for the Bergdahl family, OK, I can understand that. But what I do not understand and even though I'm sure he feels it, but they are not expressing it, it's the compassion for the families of the soldiers who served alongside Bergdahl who then had to go on patrols and they lose possibly up to 6 maybe even 14 members of that platoon in reconnaissance missions looking for Bergdahl. And there's some compassion that needs to be shown to those families as well.

WILLIAMS: I think there's compassion, Dana. I don't think.

PERINO: He doesn't talked -- has President Obama addressed them at all?

WILLIAMS: Of course -- most of them -- listen he -- if you lost a child, and I'm going to say a child because you know what, one of my boys.

PERINO: I know, I already have a child.

WILLIAMS: No, I have children who are in their 20s and 30s, Dana and if you.

PERINO: Well, isn't that what I just said, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Well, I don't -- I still consider them my children.


PERINO: I'm not talking about your children. I'm saying that everybody is going to say that. And I didn't criticize Obama for using the word "kid." I do think, though, that when there are other children -- people's children who fought alongside Bergdahl and then tried to save him and lost their lives or were wounded in that action, that deserve some compassion as well.

WILLIAMS: I don't doubt they would get compassion. If the case of death I know that they get compassion and they get a letter from the President of the United States.

TANTAROS: I just had to throw this out really quick, it looks like today, Greg, the White House is considering releasing another terrorist from Gitmo, Ted Cruz is trying to prevent this from happening.

GUTFELD: Yes, closing Gitmo is part of Obama's legacy. Damn the outcomes. And he even admits there's a risk involved. So, the question is where do you put those fellas? And Harry Reid has been, you know, strongly supportive of closing Gitmo. So I say, do it in his district. It could be like a Mustang Ranch, you get beheaded instead of bedded.

TANTAROS: Very interesting idea.

GUTFELD: My ideas are always interesting, thank you America.

WILLIAMS: I thought you are going to do the nuclear dump but you went to the whore house.


TANTAROS: We got to go, be sure to catch James (inaudible) on Central Report directly following the Five with more on the new Bergdahl development. Directly ahead, a White House official issues a stunning remarks about Bergdahl's platoon members who have been critical of the circumstances about the night that he vanished. We have breaking details on that and later, President Ronald Reagan remembered 10 years after his death. We will honor our nation's 40th president, that's coming up on The Five.


GUTFIELD: As the White House backpedals faster than a dyslexic union cyclist, others poured gas on the fire to protect the president from his own blindness. They even went after soldiers who did served with honor and distinction.
Obama employee and decorated war veteran Brandon Friedman tweeted this about Bergdahl's fellow troops. He writes, "Here's the thing about Bergdahl… What if his platoon was long on psychopaths and short on leadership?"
See, Bowe left because his comrades were murderous fiends. It's not him. It's them.
Now, I can't say I blame Brandon entirely for this in any war movie made after Vietnam, Bowe would be the hero. But Brandon quickly apologized, realizing it offended service members -- the very people he work with and admire.
But should he have? He just said what many in the administration thinks. After all, its staffed with Ivy League lacks weaned on snarling academics brimming with American self-hatred in war movies that always embracing that recurring cliché: the gung-ho military head case.
I feel for Brandon as a loyal guy who's only trying to help a clueless Obama recover from that boneheaded move in the Rose Garden and save some shred of Bowe's legacy.
That was the real mistake: Obama's grandstanding in the garden. You can't paint a turd purple and tell America it's eggplant.
The lesson here as always, Dana, Twitter. Why do you go on Twitter? You work for the government. Nothing good comes from it.

PERINO: Right. And also, it's very difficult to separate maybe what you said in private or at a bar or a cocktail table to your friend than what you would say as an official. He works at the Department of Homeland, I'm sorry, Department of Housing and Urban Development.


PERINO: That they suppose to deal with housing. I can understand that he's a political appointee that wants to support the president but if you are wanting to make sure that you don't add to the White House's problems, the best thing you can do is probably keep your tweets to yourself.

GUTFIELD: Yeah, and he said that this guy is a deck ratted war veteran which was surprising -- I think surprised a lot of people that he would tweet this. Maybe he has experience in dealing with some unusual people in the battle field. But should he have done this?

TANTAROS: Well, it shows that they don't have their messaging pretty tight. I mean, I don't know many people have been in the Bush administration that.

PERINO: They didn't have Twitter.


TANTAROS: Make blanket statements about things they shouldn't weigh in on, but they bungled this from the beginning. And I'm going to say this again. I gets their calculus is, it's OK for us to go out there and fight against the fellow comrades and question their patriotism and question anyone's patriotism on this decision when from get-go, they should have not have the Rose Garden press ceremony, not done a Sunday show. And if asked to that, it should have been a very brief statement, that said, the reason we got him back was because of National Security interest. We thought he maybe collaborating with the Taliban, because that was Intel (ph) that they had could be possible and put a rest to it. Even if, Greg, the real motive, which it is, is to close Gitmo and end the war in Afghanistan, at least make it look like you're not going against his fellow soldiers. This White House doesn't care if they're going against military members. They have no respect for anyone in the military except for a very confirmed deserter -- multiple deserter.

WILLIAMS: You know, it's just -- you know, I think you'd have a better case if you said to me, Juan, the president has made a big show of loving the military at every turn, done everything.


WILLIAMS: Oh my gosh.

TANTAROS: I would never say something like that because it's not true.

WILLIAMS: Well, it is true. The president has made -- and I think people on this show have questioned whether it's sincere, did they -- has he gone overboard in this show.

TANTAROS: He's cut benefits at the department of defense. He's drawn down the military. There's a sergeant in the marines -- you said we're at war? That jailed marines served two tours in Afghanistan.


WILLIAMS: I said, here's -- even Mexico. OK. Let me move on.

TANTAROS: Does it matter which country he's in?

WILLIAMS: Yes, that died -- we're not in war with Mexico.

GUTFIELD: Are we, Juan?

WILLIAMS: No, we're not. But let me just say, I couldn't agree more. I think it's out of line for that man to have tweeted that message and I think it's out of line for the White House to be saying that somehow these soldiers are swift boating Bergdahl. I think that authentic, leave it alone. Those soldiers were on the ground. They were there. They have a story to tell. I also think it's offensive when I see people making -- and the president said that they have a political football out of this issue.

PERINO: But he asked for it.

WILLIAMS: No, he didn't.


PERINO: Yes, he did. You don't have a Rose Garden Ceremony and not expect press.

WILLIAMS: You see some of this right winging bloggers, they were calling for Obama to get Bergdahl, at anyway, take any risk to get our man back. What are they saying today? Talking about, other soldier, Obama didn't know he was this. Obama didn't know. They had every other reason to go after Obama. It looks like you're playing a political football game.

GUTFELD: What do you think, Eric? Is he making a point?

BOLLING: Here's, what, no, Juan? No.

(LAUGHTER) BOLLING: No. He talks a lot.

PERINO: Agree.

BOLLING: Just let me make this one quick point. Someday we're gonna move on from the Bergdahl story, but one thing needs to be said before we go. A Taliban commander told Time Magazine that they were excited to kidnap more Americans because then they can trade for more Gitmo detainees. That's something that we said on this show on Monday afternoon, that this was gonna be one of the fallouts for this horrible trade. And guess what they're saying it.

PERINO: So, the Taliban watches The Five

WILLIAMS: I hope now.

BOLLING: Maybe they get it at Gitmo. Maybe the other Gitmo detainees send it back to the Taliban. And said, hey, hear what The Five just said? Kidnaps some more Americans cause may we can get out of here.

GUTFELD: Yeah, straight from the goats mouth. You know what? Obama could salvage the whole thing by doing -- coming back for a press conference and saying, I'd like to thank the Taliban five who were released for all of that great information that we got to fight terror. Those guys' heads would be on a stick by tomorrow.

PERINO: I love that. That's a good idea.

GUTFELD: It wasn't my idea.

PERINO: I just told of a good idea today.

GUTFELD: I stole that one. From a viewer, thank you. Up next on The Five, what do Justin Bieber, President Obama, pumping iron, and soccer have in common? They're all at Eric's fastest seven coming up after the break. Don't miss it.


BOLLING: Welcome back to the fastest seven minutes in cable. Three blazing stories, seven blistering minutes, one blithe host.

First up, a few days after a video emerged of a 15-year-old Justin Bieber using a racial slur that starts with the letter "N," a new video was leaked to TMZ. This one features the Biebs a year younger, dropping "N" bombs all over the place.


JUSTIN BIEBER, POP SINGER (singing): One less lonely (EXPLETIVE DELETED). One less lonely (EXPLETIVE DELETED). One less lonely (EXPLETIVE DELETED). One less (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I kill you, I'll be part of the gang. One less lonely (EXPLETIVE DELETED). There's going to be one less lonely (EXPLETIVE DELETED).


BOLLING: All right, Greg, you want to -- by the way, Bieber said he was sorry.

GUTFELD: Yes.  Big misunderstanding. He was saying "neighbor."

How fitting, though, that he is being blackmailed for denigrating black males. So he -- I think he deserves it.

He's really stupid. You know what happens when you demonize a word?  Justifiably, this word is demonized. Its risk creates allure, especially among adolescents. It's like because we say cigarettes are bad, a 13-year- old will smoke cigarettes.

By saying this word is bad, he knew it was bad. That's why he kept saying it over and over again. But he said that on the camera, and you know there's more stuff out there. You just know it. I mean, it's all going to come out.  

BOLLING: This is the second one. This is when he was 14 years old.  There was one from when he was 15 years old. Greg's probably right, who knows -- there's a lot of time. He's 20 now.

TANTAROS: And he's not it getting a pass from the press. The press is beating up on him pretty significantly, especially the entertainment press. But you know why he will survive this? Because his fan base is a bunch of naive little girls that they don't care what he does. It doesn't matter. They're still going to support him.

GUTFELD: I am not a naive little girl.

TANTAROS: I say something critical of him one time, and I got the nastiest tweets, and I thought they were coming from Greg Gutfeld under a secret account, calling me the "B" word and all this other stuff.

GUTFELD: That was me.


TANTAROS: But he'll survive.

GUTFELD: I'm Bieber forever.

BOLLING: So I really don't know how -- what the rest of -- there's different connotations or different ways of saying that word, am I correct?  In hip-hop at times.

GUTFELD: You go to Juan. Juan.

BOLLING: Here's my question. Is there any slack to cut Bieber?

WILLIAMS: Zero. I mean, it's offensive. I mean, and it's hurtful.  But you know what? I mean, the odd part about this is his mentor is Usher, I believe. Right? He brought him on -- I mean, so...

GUTFELD: That's because his career is dead.

WILLIAMS: But do you know what I think? Because They must cut him slack. And I'm thinking to myself, it is such a corrupt culture, that whole hip-hop thing.

BOLLING: But black artists do the same thing.

WILLIAMS: That's what I'm tell you. I just get upset personally that the black kids have the same issue that Greg was talking about. There's some kind of allure to this word and that they're going to be defiant and they're going to reclaim it by using it. That is nonsense; that is illegitimate. And the word is out there now, and it's become very much au courant, current or hip with the white crowd, because that's what they're in the car, thumping the dashboard.

PERINO: You should hear me walking up and down the street.

GUTFELD: You are disgusting. You're like a mini Donald Sterling.

BOLLING: Any more thoughts on this one?

PERINO: I was going to say that if were his demo tape, I'm surprised he ever got a record deal.

BOLLING: All right. We're going to go. Moving on to this one.  Being president of the United States requires some heavy lifting at times.  The other day in Poland wasn't one of those times.




BOLLING: All right. Five pounds, ten pounds max, Ands.

TANTAROS: Which is what I use. We have a similar workout routine.  He also -- he has great form. I think he has better form than I do.

I'm wondering what he's really listening to. He's very focused.  Maybe a little "Eye of the Tiger." I think they may have leaked this themselves. I think this makes him look pretty -- I don't know.

BOLLING: What? Fit?

TANTAROS: I think they think it makes him look fit.

BOLLING: Come on. Dana, you think it makes him look...?

PERINO: Low weights, high reps. And he's a picture of health.


PERINO: I just don't know -- who put the music to that video?

TANTAROS: Greg Gutfeld?

GUTFELD: Look, this -- I think this is beautiful. I'm more worried when he's not in the gym. I want him to work out constantly, train for ultra-marathons, get into power lifting. I'll treat him. At six weeks he'll have abs like an abacus. I don't want him doing anything but working out, because that means there's less problems for us.

BOLLING:  Juan, if this is your workout tape, would you leak it?

WILLIAMS: Leak it? No, I wouldn't leak it. But I'm amused by it.  But I saw that The Washington Post asked a professional trainer who said, "Oh, the only problem is his form," to pick up on your point. His form.

PERINO: It's not bad. Trainers always said that. That's their job.

BOLLING: Those are like five pounds. Like they taped a quarter to a pen and started curling that. That was like why...

WILLIAMS: You're a real athlete. You're a real athlete.

BOLLING: Shall we move on to this one? Baseball is America's pastime. Football is America's sport. Soccer, a bunch of dudes chasing a ball around. No strategy, no hitting. Hell, almost no scoring.  McDonald's had to go aboard to find a star for their new ad.




BOLLING: Greg has a very strong moral point to make. We're going to hold out for that.

GUTFELD: Soccer is a metaphor for the world. See, the world is soccer. America is football. We do everything bigger, better, scarier, and we create sophisticated padding and equipment to preserve its brutality. It's why we win. Soccer, as you said, it's settled with penalty shots. It's kickball without strategy.

BOLLING: Exactly. Dana.

PERINO: Is that why we -- is America so much better because that's why we have a White House that now is focused on concussions in football?  Because that's what we do now?

GUTFELD: Look, I didn't think that much into this.

PERINO: OK, that's true. I love soccer, and I think we have to understand that in America it's -- this is the biggest thing going around the world. I love the world...

GUTFELD: So is E. Coli.

BOLLING: Do you know, Dana, that the survey that we based this whole thing on, that only 2 percent of Americans would call soccer their favorite sport. Two percent.

PERINO: Well...

BOLLING: I think it only beats bowling and...

TANTAROS: I have a confession. I have to admit. It's fun to watch with the volume off. So sometimes secretly on a Saturday I'll put on a game, because the men are so gorgeous. I'll just watch them run up and down the field.

However, there's a reason they get so drunk and trample each other.  Because it is very boring.

WILLIAMS: You know what it reminds me of is the basketball ad, that - - was it a McDonald's ad with Jordan and Bird? And I find it entertaining.  I mean, when the volume was off, Greg said it's not soccer. Even better.

TANTAROS: They always cry, though, Juan. And they fall down when they -- wimpy babies like Greg said.

WILLIAMS: No, Dana's point, don't ignore it. The passion for soccer in the world is beyond anything.  GUTFELD: You know what my favorite sport is?

WILLIAMS: Don't tell me.

PERINO: Cricket.

GUTFELD: Bowling. Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: There you go.

Straight ahead, the American dream. Is it attainable, or is it not?  New details on why the deck may be stacked against our nation's youth and how colleges might play a role. Coming up.


PERINO: I'm not sure what that song was. Joshua, you are in trouble for that, too.

OK. Is the American dream out of reach? According to a new poll, the answer is yes.

As they struggle to find jobs, young adults are the most likely to feel hopeless, as a staggering 63 percent say a shot at success is unattainable. Part of the reason, according to historian Victor Davis Hanson, is that we are not teaching kids how to succeed while they're trying -- while they're in college.

In the National Review he writes, quote, "Colleges that were once our most enlightened and tolerant institutions became America's dinosaurs."

Juan, I wanted to talk to you about this, because you're an education expert.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yes.

PERINO: There's lots of issues colliding. Right? There's changing economy, changing demographics. And do you -- from your observations, do you think our colleges and universities are underserving America's family but overcharging them at the same time?

WILLIAMS: Definitely overcharging. I don't think there's any question about it. And I'm particularly worried about what's going on with low-income kids. A lot of these colleges that -- community colleges and the like, you know, and they take a kid that's unprepared, and they have to put him in remedial training. And then the kid thinks, "Oh, I can become a mechanic, a nurse." Turns out they're not even prepared to take that training. Then they drop out. Then they've got the debt.

And some of these kids have tremendous debt. And don't get the end result that you want. So yes, it worries me. That was too serious an answer. I apologize.

PERINO: We can do serious here. We can.

BOLLING: At 43 after the hour.

GUTFELD: No, we're not.

PERINO: Eric, why do you think people say -- 63 percent of people say that they -- you can't even reach the American dream anymore? I don't think that's true. I think I'm in the minority.

BOLLING: Well, remember, these are kids who are coming out of college, as Juan points out, with this massive debt. And they see their unemployment rate, I think, among young people is approaching 10 percent.  If you're African-American it's approaching 17 percent. It's grim prospects out there.

They are -- didn't we just report another number? If you're 18 to 35 years old, something like 1 in 4 of you...

PERINO: And 33 percent of them are living at home.

BOLLING: One-third are still living at home? In their own home.

I mean, it's -- for all the numbers that they put out saying the economy is getting better, if you ask -- if you ask people looking for jobs, especially at the lower end, the entry level, it's tough pickings right now.

PERINO: Andrea, what could the universities do? What do you think is going to happen? Do you think there will be some sort of creative disruption that changes the education model?

TANTAROS: No, not at all. I think Republicans would be smart to hold hearings on the cost of college tuition and haul some of these university presidents up to ask why they're charging so much for a bunch of classes that aren't even beneficial.

But you asked in the beginning, Dana, are colleges teaching kids how to succeed? No. And they're also not being taught how to fail. So kids aren't being taught that it's OK to fail, and you learn more from the failures, because they're so guarded and protected.

They're also teaching them that success comes without working very hard, this entitlement society. "I deserve health care. I deserve a car.  I deserve a house, irrespective of whether or not I can afford it. I deserve a college education." It's that Elizabeth Warren anger that you deserve everything. That entitlement society. And if you can't get it yourself, the government's going to give it to you.

WILLIAMS: But what about the recession? Don't you think they got a bad deal?

PERINO: I think it's complex, and there's a lot of things...

TANTAROS: I don't think that helped. But...

PERINO: Have you ever thought of opening your own college and university?

GUTFELD: I actually did in my basement, but the police shut it down.  Had a heating issue.

CNN is doing a special on the 1960s this week, bringing the total number of specials on the 1960s to 14 million. If you linked all the specials on the 1960s together, it would actually be longer than the 1960s.

So when you obsess over a time that denigrated traditional success, don't be surprised if you create generations that fail. Men fought wars; they built bridges so today's men could masturbate to porn, vegetate in front of video games and ban speech on campus. We didn't deserve their service.

PERINO: Coming up, does race have anything to do with income inequality?


BOLLING: That was -- Dana's face was absolutely...

PERINO: Oscar-winning actor Morgan Freeman weighs in, and his answer may surprise you, next on "The Five."

GUTFELD: What did I say?

WILLIAMS: We go to a break.


WILLIAMS: Actor Morgan Freeman made some surprising remarks about income equality, saying it has nothing to do with race. The Oscar winner cites himself as living proof. Watch this.


DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Do you think that race plays a part in wealth distribution? Or either a mindset that you can't...




LEMON: You don't?

FREEMAN: No, I don't. No. You and I, we're proof. Why would race have anything to do with it? Stick your -- put your mind to what you want to do and go for that. It's kind of like religion to me. It's a good excuse for not getting there.


WILLIAMS: Andrea. Disagree? Agree?

TANTAROS: Oh, I agree. I think he's making a very honest, true statement. It doesn't matter, especially in this country. That's the -- that is the greatest thing about this country. You can be from any other country. You don't have to speak the language. You can overcome these barriers, and you can achieve great success.

I'm happy that he's being so honest about it. I mean, I -- I don't really buy into that whole income inequality argument. I don't know why it's a problem. I don't understand why it's a problem.

WILLIAMS: I happen to agree -- I agree with you. I mean, I think that's why immigrants continue to flock here, and I think the idea that you would say to your children, "You can't make it in America," I think that's condemning your own child. And I think Morgan Freeman is to being honored and celebrated for saying that.

On the other hand, and you look at income inequality, you say you don't agree with it; you don't believe it exists. It does exist. And there's a huge gap between white and black.

TANTAROS: I don't think it's -- I don't think it's -- I don't think it's a huge problem.

WILLIAMS: Well, it is a problem if you see whites having so much more wealth than blacks, and that has worsened since the recession.

TANTAROS: If you have a guy making a certain amount on one side of the street...


TANTAROS: ... and another man on the other side of the street, why is that a problem? Why do we have to go in and fix it so everyone is the same like Cuba? I don't understand.

WILLIAMS: Not the same. But there's a huge...

TANTAROS: So that everybody is equally miserable?

WILLIAMS: Go ahead. I'm sure that Dr. Wall Street has a thought. BOLLING: No, I just -- not Dr. Wall Street, Dr. Logic.

WILLIAMS: Dr. Logic.

BOLLING: OK, so income inequality, it's not -- it's not racial. It's income levels. Income inequality in a free market is a great thing. It means the higher end of the income spectrum is pulling up the bottom end.

WILLIAMS: But it ain't pulling.

BOLLING: In a communist society or -- But it is, Juan.

WILLIAMS: But Dana, it's not pulling. It's like this. And it's getting wider.

BOLLING: No, no. It's getting wider on the way up.

PERINO: I think in theory it's true, but in reality, I think we have to look at the hard numbers. Three of them are graduation rates, which are so much lower; marriage rates, which are, like, 25 percent only; and then you look at the unemployment number, which is almost double (ph).

WILLIAMS: Yes. Gregory.

GUTFELD: What Morgan Freeman said, I consider these what you call these moral vitamins. You need to hear one of these at least once a day or at least a jaded populous needs to be reminded that it's not whining but it's work that gets you where you are.

Remember, he wasn't -- he just didn't become Morgan Freeman, the voice of God.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: He played a pimp in "Street Smart."

WILLIAMS: All right.

GUTFELD: He was in an -- "Electric Company." He worked up that ladder.

PERINO: I liked "Electric Company." And I liked...


WILLIAMS: All right. And I liked -- here's to Morgan Freeman. You got it.

"One More Thing" coming right at you. Stay with us.


TANTAROS: Time now for "One More Thing." Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: So every time there's a scandal, the Demo libs come up with a line. And look at the line they use for Benghazi. Watch.


HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: The fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they'd go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make?


BOLLING: OK. So now we have a bigger scandal in Bergdahl, possibly.  Take a look what Harry Reid had to say.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How come it seems that you were the only one who got a heads-up the day before?

SEN. HARRY REID, D-NEV., MAJORITY LEADER: I'm not sure I'm the only one. I mean, it's made a big deal over nothing. The whole deal is, is it Friday or Saturday? What difference does it make? What difference does it make?


BOLLING: Bad choice of words, I think.

PERINO: Banned phrase.

BOLLING: ... stick for a while.

No, let's not ban that one.

GUTFELD: No, no. It works for us.


WILLIAMS: All right. So the theme of our show tonight, soccer. And guess what? We have a great video for you, because Peru and England squared off in a match last Friday, but they weren't the key attraction.  It was a paper airplane. Watch this.





GUTFELD: Most exciting thing ever in soccer.

WILLIAMS: It's unbelievable, because watch. The paper airplane makes it all the way to the field, and it hits one of the opposing players in the head. Is that great?

GUTFELD: And he fell down and cried.

WILLIAMS: No. He fell down and died, and they were defeated. Greg, they were defeated.


PERINO: Today is the tenth anniversary of former president Ronald Reagan's death. He was the 40th president. He also gave that wonderful remembrance at D-Day. People gathered today in California, and there was a rare appearance by former first lady Nancy Reagan at the event, as well.  Our friend Peggy Noonan was there. Howard Baker spoke. And it was quite an amazing day. And we celebrate his life, as well.

TANTAROS: Very nice -- Greg.

GUTFELD: I just want to show this picture that aired earlier on the show. That's my mother. That wasn't what the picture was. But OK, let's talk about my mother.

I want to thank everybody who sent me cards regarding my mother's passing. I read every single card. So believe that, that I read every one, every message. And they meant a lot to me, so thank you.

TANTAROS: And very quickly, congratulations to our makeup artist, one of our very talented makeup artists here at the Fox News Channel. Ashana Morgan, she got married in France...

PERINO: Oh, how nice.

TANTAROS: ... earlier today. She looks beautiful. Ashana, we miss you, but Seven (ph) and the girls are doing a great job. Congratulations.

We'll see you back here. Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." Bye.

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