This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 29, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Tom Shillue.
It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."
TANTAROS: Well, veterans have been denied health care. Some have been left to die. And Congress is demanding answers.
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REP. JEFF MILLER, R-FLA.: Ma'am, veterans died. Get us the answers, please?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I understand that, Mr. Chairman, and I will look --
MILLER: That's what you said three months ago.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm a staff level federal employee and I do the best job I can.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Huff, does the responsibility lie with Secretary Shinseki? Do you still believe in his leadership ability to stand up to a five alarm fire? Where in the world is the urgency?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're not being forthright in your testimony.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I did not think they were secret lists. I think they could have easily been misunderstood as secret lists.
MILLER: We're deadly serious. You can expect us to be over your shoulder every single day.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TANTAROS: Pressure is building for Bob to shut off his cell phone as well as for V.A. Secretary Eric Shinseki to step down. More Democrats are jumping on board along with veterans groups calling for secretary to resign.
Two leading lawmakers aren't ready to join the chorus just yet.
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SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE JOHN BOEHNER, R-OHIO: Is him resigning going to get us to the bottom of the problem? Is it going to help us find out what's really going on? And the answer I keep getting is no.
REP. NANCY PELOSI, D-CALIF.: We have to be careful about thinking that just because you move the top person means that you've changed the systemic problem that exists in the organization.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TANTAROS: All right. So, it's very rare, Dana, to have Nancy Pelosi and Boehner in agreement on anything. But the other day on "The Five" you mentioned, listen, enough of the back-and-forth. How are we going to fix this problem?
And I do think it's a little bit of a distraction talking about whether or not Shinseki should step down or not.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Right. I think that -- I think a resignation or a firing is coming because there's just going to be -- it will become impossible for President Obama to continue to have confidence in him if everybody else in Washington does not. Even if Speaker Boehner and Pelosi do not -- do not think he should be fired, partly because -- I think what Boehner and Pelosi are saying is that, OK, it's one thing to remove the top guy, but you can't just ignore the rest of the problems.
If it is a systemic problem throughout the entire V.A. and Shinseki didn't know about it, there are plenty others that did. And you can't fire them all. Maybe you could, but you have to have some sort of plan in place to replace it. So, I would bet that tomorrow is a Friday. I bet the secretary will be gone by then.
TANTAROS: Around four, three-thirty?
PERINO: Yes, Friday news dump.
TANTAROS: Eric, what do you think? Time for him to go?
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I think it's time for a lot of people to go. What does it take in D.C. to get fired? I mean, all these scandals, we talk about the IRS, you know, the V.A., we talk about the GSA, remember the guy who was in the bathtub with the -- people just don't get fired.
And it's not just President Obama's fault, although I think Shinseki should go, I'm tired of hearing him say, I still have confidence in it the guy.
I disagree with you, Dana. I think you need to fire a high level person to kind of shake up the whole tree. Let people know that if that guy can get fired I can get fired. And if nothing else, I better get my butt in line and start dog things the right way.
But I also have a problem with John Boehner saying he's not ready to call for the resign or firing of Shinseki. Why not? What are you waiting for? Forty veterans died. Maybe there's going to be 80. We don't know what the scandal will look like.
Start to peel back the onion and find out. The only way to do it is by removing him and maybe getting someone who's from the outside and looks in and says, look what I found. That's usually how these things start to really open up when you bring someone that's not part of the chain of command. Break it up a little bit.
TANTAROS: The only concern he I have with Shinseki stepping down, one, is it still doesn't fix the larger problem, but also, the pressure is off. With Shinseki there, the pressure is on, we're focused on this, the press is focused on this. When they bring in somebody else, it seems the story dissipates.
And I get the sense, Bob, that the White House likes having him there to run interference on a lot of these issues and politicians love being able to look like they're doing something by calling for him to step down so that deflects off of them.
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: I think -- there's something to be said about that. But I agree with Dana. I think somebody going to go, and I think it's probably going to be tomorrow.
But what I'm tired of are these pompous jerks in Congress who sit there and yell at these people who are public employees and -- did you hear what one guy said? That's what you said two months ago.
Well, your job is the oversight of the Veterans Administration, jerk. So, why didn't you -- has oversight? If you heard it two months ago, why didn't you follow up? Why didn't you follow up, because you're not doing your job. Every one of your member of Congress that shoots off your mouths who didn't investigate this are as guilty as anybody responsible for it.
TANTAROS: Tom, isn't that true what Bob saying? I mean, they had all the warnings there. These members of Congress, they've got to look like they're doing something. Take the heat off them because they're feeling it from constituents.
TOM SHILLUE, GUEST CO-HOST: I agree with Bob. I agree with Bob!
BECKEL: Thank you very much, Tom.
SHILLUE: It feels great.
SHILLUE: I agree. I mean, I think these hearings stink. There's always these pompous people are yelling at these employees. I feel bad for the employees.
I'm wondering what -- can we just send our military to the regular hospital? Could we do that tomorrow? Enough with the V.A. let them go to the hospital. I don't even know why we still have a V.A.
We want the best for our troops, so why are we sending them to government-run hospital?
BECKEL: Here's the amazing thing. You know they authorized several years ago and appropriated money to do exactly that when there was an overload in the V.A., and nobody's talked about that pot of money, nobody's used it as far as I know. That to me is a scandal.
SHILLUE: Let's do it, Bob. Me and you agree on that.
BOLLING: But it's really not about the money. There's no one claiming that it the V.A. --
BOLLING: Yes, substantial outlays for the V.A.
It's not a money thing it's a bureaucratic nightmare. I will say it again. I said it last week. It's the union.
The V.A. is unionized. They're protecting employees. It takes a lot to get rid of them. It takes a lot to get rid of a D.C. employee, number one, then put a federal employee union while --
BECKEL: That maybe the most -- that must be the most amazing -- what's his name that was here yesterday, said the same thing.
BOLLING: I'll tell you something, Bob, I got a call from a congresswoman last week. She got on the phone. She said, you guys aren't saying anything become this. Here's what's going on in North Carolina. See the congressman in North Carolina. It's the unions.
She went to visit her V.A., and to the T, every person was unionized and she put her finger on that.
BECKEL: So what?
BOLLING: Name me one organization where it works better unionized than if it's not.
BECKEL: The automobile industry.
BECKEL: The automobile industry.
BOLLING: Oh, yes, it's going great, Bob!
BECKEL: The communication workers, CWA.
SHILLUE: The schools?
BECKEL: Communication workers, certainly the schools. With the exception of the inner city schools.
But, you guys, let's remember the unions are 9 percent of the work force. And you jump --
BOLLING: Eighty percent of the V.A., 80 percent of the V.A.
BECKEL: You think the union people in V.A., they are trying to hurt people purposely?
BOLLING: No. They slow walk everything.
BECKEL: What I said was that there's a pot of money to send them to private hospital which is where you want to send them. So, what's your argument with it?
BOLLING: Bob, if you wouldn't get fired for saying stuff on TV, would you say more than what you already say? Would you drop some F-bombs if you were going to get fired?
BECKEL: I already dropped F-bombs, one at you. And I'm thinking about doing --
TANTAROS: OK, well, the control room is going to drop one if I don't go on to the sound.
So, Congress isn't the only body feeling pressure. Jay Carney feeling pressure from reporters. And it also makes you wonder -- and I'm going to go to you, Dana -- what it takes to get Jay Carney fired. He didn't have a lot of answers today.
Take a listen.
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REPORTER: Does the president have confidence in Secretary Shinseki?
JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: John, the president addressed this question from the podium.
REPORTER: He wasn't asked directly. Does he have confidence in Secretary Shinseki?
CARNEY: The president believes that and he is confident that Secretary Shinseki has served his nation admirably.
ED CARNEY, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: The president promised at that podium promised, quote, "once we know the facts, I assure you, if there's misconduct, it will be punished."
Who has been punished?
CARNEY: A set of facts in a preliminary report --
HENRY: Who has been punished?
CARNEY: Thank you, Ed.
We got a report yesterday. And the president found the report extremely troubling.
HENRY: Why is he still tolerating it and where is the punishment?
CARNEY: Ed, I don't know --
CARNEY: -- how else to disappoint you, but I'll give you the same answer that I gave.
HENRY: It's not me you're disappointing. There's veterans waiting 115 days.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TANTAROS: Dana, the sniffing, the laughing, why can't he answer the question whether or not the president --
PERINO: Well, it could be because -- I think what's happened is the president hasn't made a decision yet, OK? So, Jay Carney is in a position where he has to represent the president and give the president a little bit of wiggle room possibly. Maybe that's what he was asked to do today.
And sometimes when you're the press secretary you have to go up there and not have any good answers and so it looks bad. But it's better that you look bad than your boss looks bad. And I think when it comes to confidence in a cabinet secretary, the president either has it until they don't. And that -- if and when that happens, I think President Obama has shown that he is very loyal to his cabinet members and to his staff. He will never be accused of being disloyal.
Think about Secretary Sebelius who stayed on after all of those calls for her to be fire for a performance problem. Now, Shinseki -- he's showing that he's not willing to let anybody be beaten down, including remember Susan Rice, how upset he was about Susan Rice after the Benghazi talking point nightmare. That she went out, that she wasn't in a position to be the secretary of state. He's tried to stay with her up until he didn't.
And there becomes political reality can overwhelm the situation. I think that possibly is going to happen if not tomorrow then by Sunday.
TANTAROS: I think Dana makes a great point, Tom. No one is questioning the president's loyalty to his staff. They're questioning his loyalty to the veterans. And that's a huge problem.
And that's what Ed's point was. He's saying, look, the veterans are the ones suffering. President Obama had time today to do a summit, the first of its kind for sports concussions, something that -- what the heck is the president getting involved in?
But again, people are saying, he looks detached. He doesn't look like he has his priorities straight. And again, his loyalty to his staff, but not to our military heroes.
What's his problem?
SHILLUE: Well, also, I don't think it does any good to be loyal to his staff. It always helps if you can fire someone and then someone new comes in and says, OK, I'm the new guy and work on the problem. And then the story goes away, which is why I don't think anyone should ever get fired, because then the story goes away and somebody says, we're working on it and then we can't pay attention to it.
PERINO: That happened at the IRS.
SHILLUE: Yes, exactly.
So, he -- I don't know what good it is to be loyal to Shinseki, but, you know?
TANTAROS: But there's other people in the administration, if he was going to fire somebody, I wouldn't put Shinseki at the top of that list. We talked about Susan Rice. We talked about Kathleen Sebelius. If he isn't going to fire them, why is he going to fire Shinseki?
BOLLING: Don't take it from me. Let's take it from Bill Burton, who's -- wasn't he on both campaigns?
BOLLING: I believe he's on both of President Obama's campaigns, campaign to become president and the reelection campaign, since he's left.
Let's call him a very insider on the left. He today said the reason why Obama is not firing Shinseki is for politics. He said, because if Obama fires Shinseki, the GOP will take a pound of flesh and point the finger at a bad hire because Shinseki has been there for almost the duration of the Obama presidency.
So, even on the left they realize at this so far 40 vets dead, Obama is still politics.
TANTAROS: Isn't a bigger pound of flesh, the dead veterans?
BECKEL: Well, listen, the bigger -- I think the point you made, I mean, the politics -- the best politics would be to fire him. I mean, that's where he's got it wrong. I mean, I think that takes the heat off of a lot of things, bring someone in fresh from the outside.
By the way, when you suggested that Jay Carney, what does it take to get him fired, in the break I said poor Carney puts up with all of this stuff all the time, Dana told me to kiss her thing -- because she had to put up with all this stuff. So, I just want to say to both Dana and to Jay, I'm impressed --
PERINO: Kiss my grits, Bob.
BECKEL: Grits, right.
PERINO: Can I just say one more thing like Pelosi and Boehner are reluctant to call for Shinseki's firing. And that is because Shinseki is a decorated war veteran. He is well-known on Capitol Hill. He has been a public servant. He's dedicated his life to the country, and I don't think they think his commitment to the vets is any less than theirs. I think that's why they are showing some deference in this regard.
TANTAROS: Quick comment, Tom.
SHILLUE: That makes sense to me.
TANTAROS: We got to go. I do think he's the most dedicated to the veterans. If you're going to have anyone in there, it should be him, not some pencil-pushing bureaucrat that they could replace him with.
SHILLUE: I agreed with Bob on both of those stories. Amazing.
BECKEL: There you go.
TANTAROS: That's shocking. Better go to the doctor tomorrow.
BOLLING: There's some vulnerable Democrats up for Senate reelection who are distancing themselves, actually calling for Shinseki's head. So, a lot of politics going on.
TANTAROS: Coming up, Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney were not impressed with the president's foreign policy speech yesterday at West Point. They're fired up about it, and you're going to hear from both of them, up next.
PERINO: The reviews are in from President Obama's foreign policy address to cadets yesterday at West Point. Conservatives weren't impressed.
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DICK CHENEY, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: Very, very weak president, maybe the weakest certainly in my lifetime. We've got a leader who doesn't understand U.S. obligations and commitments around the world, and is not prepared to act on them.
MITT ROMNEY (D), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think it's a particularly sad day in America, when the president of the United States feels compelled to give an address saying that America in effect isn't weak, saying we really are a leader, we really are strong. Look, if you have to tell people you're strong, then you're not.
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PERINO: The big papers were not impressed either. The editor board at "The New York Times" writes, "The address did not match the hype. Many still doubt Obama fully appreciates the leverage the United States has even in a changing world."
"The Washington Post" editorial board said, "The binding of U.S. power places Mr. Obama at odds with every U.S. president since World War II.
And "The Wall Street Journal" said, "Listening to Mr. Obama was like watching Tom Hanks trying to survive in `Castaway'."
So, I guess -- I said to Andrea yesterday that the reaction of the speech was across the board disappointing. I was surprised this morning to read as much as I did about how people who are actually usually cheerleading for President Obama and defend him were just left so confused by what they considered an incoherent speech.
How does that happen in a White House where they know they're under the gun, they have everyone watching, the cadets are there, a great speech you can give on any topic that you want and you blow it?
TANTAROS: When "The New York Times" editorial board can't defend you on a speech that you've given, and you are the president of the United States and you're Barack Obama, you know you're doing something wrong, that there's a legitimate argument here and it's not just part of some politics.
But it's true, Dana. We have an incomprehensible, inscrutable foreign policy. I'm not saying that President Obama needs to have a doctrine. I actually don't think every four years we need to be changing our foreign policy doctrine.
But he said yesterday, he said, just because we have a heavy hammer doesn't mean we have to hit every nail. And after five years of watching him hit his thumb and hit no nail or hit the wrong nail or put thumbtacks into a corkboard, whatever he's doing, I actually don't want him using the heavy hammer. I'm very comfortable with him talking about school lunches and pond scum and concussions and cow farts and birth control, I really am comfortable with him doing that. I don't want him using the heavy hammer because I'm not so sure -- in fact, I'm confident he doesn't know how to use it.
PERINO: Interesting thing, Eric, about the president's decision in the speech to basically rebut critics in the speech rather than to inspire the cadets or have a speech that would be forward thinking. It really ended up being more of a defensive --
BOLLING: Yes, rambling, wandering, as many have pointed out, flip- flopping on Syrian policy, other policy. Someone said something -- they put up on Twitter, the general who led the SEALs, to capture bin Laden was, from University of Texas --
BOLLING: McRaven, that speech given at that video to the West Point cadet graduates, would have been more appropriate than what President Obama did. He hit on climate change. He hit on, I don't know, pulling back our stature apologizing for American exceptionalism -- wrong place, wrong time. Not a bad speech if you want to give it, I don't know, maybe at University of Cairo in 2009, kind of the same type of speech, right?
Just I really have a problem with the venue. Those people were forced to sit and listen to that. They were obeying orders. You heard that smattering of clapter there that a couple had to do. That was probably, you know --
PERINO: Clapter, that's a great word.
SHILLUE: I like clapter.
PERINO: Bob, do you think that -- I agree with Andrea, that maybe they didn't need this speech at this time. Did you feel there was a clamoring for this type of foreign policy speech?
BECKEL: Well, not really. But I think what this shows you is the divide among Democrats in the national security arena it. There are those in the Democratic Party who believe that we ought to pull back, we ought to become more isolationist. We've been overseas too long.
And there are those who think that we ought to project ourselves worldwide on things like global warming and others. I think that was the mishmash of a lot of thinking from different people. That was the mistake of the speech.
But let me just say this, for Dick Cheney to call President Obama weak, this is the same Dick Cheney that talked George Bush into going in that illegal, horrible war in Iraq. He should just keep his mouth shut.
TANTAROS: That Hillary Clinton supported.
BECKEL: Yes, that's right. Fine, you can keep his mouth shut. Go back to Wyoming.
BOLLING: You can have it, honestly, if this is what this is all about, opinion, you've got to stop calling it an illegal war. It was congressional -- both sides of the aisle --
BECKEL: Ill-advised war.
BOLLING: That's different.
PERINO: Tom, I wanted to ask you about speech writing, because one of the things that you do is look at language. And you have a limited -- I mean, you're not doing stand-up, you have a limited amount of time in front of an audience.
SHILLUE: Yes, you got to set it up and knock it down.
PERINO: So, when you look at a speech like that, don't you feel like every word has to count?
SHILLUE: Yes. But you've got to give him credit for going into an unfriendly audience.
PERINO: I think they're friendly.
SHILLUE: Look --
PERINO: The West Point cadets?
SHILLUE: They gave him clapter, yes. But they're not -- you know, remember when President Bush would speak in front of any military, they loved him. They, it was a great audience.
But, you know, that was like -- you know, when Greg Gutfeld has to give a speech at U Cal Berkeley. It's not a friendly audience for him. It's not his people.
BECKEL: Let's remember, they all had gloves on. Ever see people clap with gloves?
PERINO: Yes, it's awkward.
BECKEL: Yes, that's what it was.
SHILLUE: You know, when I first started doing stand up, somebody was clapping for me and I looked at the audience, I thought, oh, somebody likes my stuff. And he was just opening his cigarettes.
PERINO: Well, you know what? We would clap for you. I will clap for you here.
OK, we could have talked about that for a lot longer, but we've got to go because ahead, what do Prince Charles, Ed Snowden and Brad Pitt have in common? They're all coming up on "The Five," next.
BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.
So, a crazy SOB opens fire on innocent college students, and the lunatic left brigade begins to point fingers to their favorite target, race. Probably the most outrageous and egregious example is Rutgers professor of African studies, Brittney Cooper, who blamed, quote, "white privilege."
But here's the thing, the shooter and knifer Elliot Rodger is half Asian. Last night, Bill O'Reilly took issue with Ms. Cooper pointing his accusatory and mind-numbingly stupid finger at race.
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BILL O'REILLY, FOX NEWS: White male privilege kills? That's just insane. These murders had nothing to do with white privilege. It was some young guy unhinged. He actually killed himself. Is that white privilege, too?
Ms. Cooper conveniently overlooks that murder is color-blind. In Chicago, thousands of people, thousands, have been murdered in the public space over the last few years, and 70 percent of the killers are black -- 70 percent, Ms. Cooper.
So, you, Madam, are exploiting the Santa Barbara atrocity and trying to ramp up racial hatred to boot.
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BOLLING: Bobby, white privilege, this kid was half Asian. Why not Asian privilege?
BECKEL: I find myself one of the few and very, very few moments when I agree with O'Reilly.
This -- I don't get it. I don't get the theme of it. I don't get anything about it. I mean, I don't -- if you look at all these people -- it is true that a lot of the people who kill in sprees like this have been more Caucasian, but that's -- but they're nuts. That's -- I don't get it.
In fact, the guy who did University of Virginia, I mean, I think he was Asian, Virginia Tech.
PERINO: Was Asian.
BECKEL: I think he was Asian.
BOLLING: Virginia Tech.
BECKEL: Yes, Virginia Tech.
BOLLING: Yes, he was Asian, as well. But that -- Dana, but as Bill has uses, as to race merchants. There's a race industry. Play into this industry?
PERINO: This is -- well, Rutgers is the same university that didn't want to have -- didn't want Condi Rice to give a commencement speech, and that she pulled out of. So I think that all sorts of things are happening at Rutgers that don't make a lot of since.
And I also think that, when -- when we get off on tangents like hers and Bill O'Reilly uses "Talking Points Memo," which is a valuable place, real estate in primetime cable news, to respond to it, we are doing everything not to deal with the core issue of mental health. And that's the real crisis at hand. And there's a legislator that -- Congressman Tim Murphy of Pennsylvania, who introduced a bill that would actually do something -- could at least try to address something in this regard.
BOLLING: Ands, does it continually drive that wedge through the race divide, is that political, too?
TANTAROS: It's political; it's ideological. And as someone who used to write regularly for the "New York Daily News" as a columnist, it's just a pure lack of creativity. I mean, it's easy to write the same column every week over and over. You just go back. I'm sure -- and I've looked back. Her writings are very racially driven. It's very easy to go back to not just what you believe and what you're comfortable in but what you've written before. The problem is it's bad journalism.
It's not even bad journalism because she didn't do his research to see that he is -- he is half Asian. It's bad journalism because it doesn't, as Dana talks about, talk about the real issue. Bill O'Reilly said that murder is color-blind. Well, so is mental illness. Isn't that the bigger theme here?
And if she wants to be a really gutsy reporter and really get her facts straight, she should talk about "stop and frisk" and gun violence in New York City, where the majority of crimes are committed by minorities against minorities. And these laws like "stop and frisk" actually are in place to help minority communities.
But instead, they go right back to that racial nostalgia comfort zone that they are comfortable in. It's very pathetic.
BOLLING: Surprisingly, she didn't mention white dude privilege.
SHILLUE: You know what? I -- if anyone should benefit from white privilege it's me. But I can't get any. I can't get any of this white privilege. Look at me. I should be...
BOLLING: Looking for your own?
TANTAROS: You're on "The Five," though. You're very privileged.
SHILLUE: No. Obviously, the race thing is silly.
Privilege maybe. You know, a lot of these people, the Columbine, these guys, they're -- they're rich kids. Idle hands are the devil's play thing. I believe that. Osama bin Laden, a lot of these people who commit atrocities, they are -- have nothing to do.
And I don't think that this guy is insane. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. He's evil.
BOLLING: Well, he's dead.
SHILLUE: He's dead, but they went -- you know, psychologists went in and interviewed him, and they saw that he was sane. Not because they made a mistake but because he was sane. But he was evil.
BOLLING: You know, Bob, I loved the fact that the left just jumped right out in front of this before they had any of the facts, and started pointing their fingers at guns, at the NRA. And then they found out that the first three victims were stabbed to death.
BECKEL: Let me just say I think it's very fair to say that the vast majority on the left do not agree with this woman. So the idea of lumping us all up in with this woman, what she said, is a typical conservative way of painting the left, just like we're missing -- only missing Greg Gutfeld here to say, everybody on left agrees with this. The fact of the matter is the vast majority will not agree with this at all.
BOLLING: You don't hear people on the right saying it's...
BECKEL: You don't hear people on the right say anything but wacko stuff.
BOLLING: All right. We'll leave it right there.
Up next, Prince Charles is off his royal rocker again. He thinks capitalism is destroying the planet. You'll hear more from this royal high ass next.
SHILLUE: Prince Charles has been drinking the global warming Kool- Aid. The Prince of Wales is hoping to save the planet before it self- destructs, and he thinks he knows how. In order to stop climate change, he thinks you have to stop capitalism.
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PRINCE CHARLES, UNITED KINGDOM: The primary purpose of capitalism should surely be to serve the wider, long-term interests and concerns of humanity rather than the other way around. So critically it would require the cooperation of environmental externalities. We stand at a pivotal moment in history. Either we continue along the path we seem collectively determined to follow or we can choose to act now before it is too -- it is finally too late.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHILLUE: Wow, that was a great are Prince Charles impersonation, wasn't it? He'd make a great Bond villain. You know what? As I'm watching this videotape, I realize, I don't know if I've ever seen that man talk. I see pictures of him all the time. But I've never had to sit through a speech. Boy, Andrea, that was boring, huh?
TANTAROS: He was like Al Gore with a British accent. Right?
SHILLUE: Exactly. Al Gore using words like...
TANTAROS: Now bring me my slippers.
What does he want, a place of feudalism, where everything flows up?
PERINO: That worked out well for the monarch.
TANTAROS: Yes, I was going to say, that was convenient for him.
There is a reason that we broke away from the British. These are -- this is one of these moments where I look back at the Founding Fathers and I say, "Wow, you guys really knew what you were doing, and it makes me happy to live in this country." And it's for this reason. Because of the elitist monarchs that come out, and we have them in this country. They're not real royalty.
SHILLUE: Who are our monarchs?
TANTAROS: But they believe they are kings and queens and they should be privileged, and everything should flow up to those connected. I think in our country it's those in the government who believe that right now.
But, you know, Prince Charles I just have a hard time taking him seriously, and I did love Princess Diana a lot. So never really warmed up to the guy.
SHILLUE: Yes, you know, yes, he didn't treat her too well.
Bob, you agree with Prince Charles.
BECKEL: Yes, I do.
SHILLUE: But I mean, you know, why do we even listen to him? He doesn't -- he doesn't even have any political effect on England, does he?
BECKEL: He's got a little bit of a voice. And I think what he's talking about, he didn't say he was anti-capitalism. He said capitalism ought to hard look at the environment. And some corporations actually have and are doing something about it, which I commend them for.
But that capitalism without environmentalism is probably not going to work anymore than communism will.
But what he says and what you guys disagree with me on, we believe that we are at a critical point where this world is about to go through some disasters because of global warming. You don't agree with that. I understand that. But he wants to speak out about it, more power to him. I'm glad he's doing it.
SHILLUE: Is capitalism the problem, Eric? I mean, isn't the solution to all -- the global warming solution always has to do with restricting capitalism? Right?
BOLLING: It's just funny to hear a guy who was born with a golden spoon in his mouth, who's never had to risk anything, invest anything, earn anything, to say, now, the way to fix this is to change capitalism, because capitalism clearly isn't working.
Well, capitalism was working for you, my good man. You have, what, is it $40 or $50 Billion in assets in the royal family?
Bob, you're out of your mind. Something big is about to happen.
BOLLING: Do you have any basis for that?
BECKEL: I believe in global science -- global warming science, and I believe that we're altering the atmosphere all the time and we're going to end -- a great disaster.
TANTAROS: Twenty years ago...
BOLLING: Are you talking about the last 18 years of global cooling?
BECKEL: Here's the point...
TANTAROS: Twenty years ago they said we weren't even supposed to be sitting here right now, you climate change fanatics.
BECKEL: You guys can talk all you want; I can talk all I want. This is what I believe. You don't believe that. So you're not going to convince me.
BOLLING: So change the world. Get rid of capitalism.
BECKEL: Whatever it takes.
BECKEL: Whatever it takes. I believe the oceans of this world are going to rise at least 12 or 14 inches over the next 15 years, and that's going to be devastating to third-world countries.
BOLLING: Fifteen inches in the next 15 years?
BECKEL: Next, 15 to 20 years.
SHILLUE: I'm going to -- I want to go to Dana, but I want to play a video first for you. President Obama, he seems to think we should bring the U.S. Military in to fight global warming. And we also get a reaction by West Point grad and Vietnam vet John Mumford on "FOX and Friends."
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Global effort to combat climate change. A creeping national security crisis that will help shape your time in uniform as we are called on to respond to refugee flows and natural disasters and conflicts over water and food.
STEVE DOOCY, CO-HOST, "FOX & FRIENDS": Did your jaw just go "What?" When he said that?
JOHN MUMFORD, VIETNAM WAR VET: Mine and everyone I knew said that. The military's job is to fight and win wars. The military is not an organization of social policy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SHILLUE: Dana, what do you think? I mean, should the military be enlisted to fight global warming?
PERINO: Well, there -- there is an office at the Department of Defense that is charged with looking long term and at risks going 50 years -- looking ahead 50 to 75 years. And there is a consensus among some of the former -- the retired security folks who get probably paid a lot of money on the consulting side but maybe they agree with Bob. They think that it's at least worth planning for and trying to address. And my point is capitalism is the best system for addressing climate change.
SHILLUE: Aha! That's the perfect point.
PERINO: Thank you.
SHILLUE: Bob, I agree with you that global warming is happening. I also agree that it is manmade. And I think people on the right should stop making this argument. Even if you don't believe it, you should say, "OK, I'm going to believe the 90 percent of scientists who say it is," just because saying it's not happening isn't helping our argument.
TANTAROS: Tom, let's say that it is. I do think on some level something is happening. And a majority of people believe you when they say, OK, there's something happening.
SHILLUE: It's happening but I don't believe there's a solution.
TANTAROS: Here's the issue. Is it a crisis and should we use tax dollars to fix it? That's the debate. Or as Dana points out, the private sector deal with it? If it's such a big deal, they'll spend the money to fix it.
BOLLING: Exactly. I'm going to throw one thing out, Bob. The only thing -- the only water level that's going to rise 15 inches anytime soon is the bath water when you get in the bathtub.
BECKEL: That's funny.
BOLLING: Fifteen inches? You're talking about waking up...
BECKEL: At certain points of the southern hemisphere because the ice melt is -- listen, I'm not going to -- I'm not going to convince a cretin like you about this. You can buy into these...
PERINO: Let me make one last point.
BECKEL: The guy -- what's important about the military...
SHILLUE: Everyone wants to make one last point.
BECKEL: OK, go ahead.
PERINO: One last point. If the producers could be so kind as to print off for us the opening statements from the hearing yesterday that happened on Capitol Hill that was debunking the 97 percent of scientists that did not get enough coverage, not in this paper, nowhere.
SHILLUE: It may be true...
PERINO: So we should all get that and read it before we start jumping...
BECKEL: It's a Republican hearing. Sure.
SHILLUE: The thing is that guys like Bob, they want to restrict the economy by cutting our carbon output. And that is going to hurt poor people more than help them. And that's what we should...
BECKEL: Can I just make one last point? When Haiti had its crisis, when it had the earthquake, when there was floods, the United States military has time and gone again to places where there was mass destruction. And that's part of their job. We happen to think there will be mass destruction in the future, and the U.S. military should be involved.
SHILLUE: If there is, I'm sure they will be.
OK, still to come, Hollywood star like Gwyneth Paltrow thinks she knows what it's like to be a war veteran. Hollywood heartthrob Brad Pitt might know better. He just came under attack on the road carpet. Both stories are next when "The Five" returns.
BECKEL: Actress Gwyneth Paltrow is under fire again, as am I today, as usual, this time for comparing her life to troops who've served in war. She says, quote, "You come across online comments about yourself and about your friends. And it's a very dehumanizing thing. It's almost like how, in war, you go through this bloody, dehumanizing thing, and then something is defined out of it."
OK, let me tell you something, Gwyneth, I get this crap every day. All right? Online. You ought to read what I read. If that was the case, I'd be on the floor, just dying right now. Stop being such a wimp and a whiner, will you? If you're going to be a public figure, you're going to get that, see? If you sit where I sit, you're going to get 15 times as much. So...
BECKEL: Go ahead. You have something to say?
TANTAROS: I have defended Gwyneth Paltrow in the past, like when she was on People magazine's list of being the most beautiful person. I said I give her a pass. She runs this website that they sell $7,000 juicers and everyone calls her an elitist. Who cares? Let her be an elitist and have $7,000 juicers.
But this, if I were her P.R. person, I would say, "Gwyneth, shut up already. Stop doing interviews."
You know, John Mayer had this problem for a long time. He would say really stupid stuff. He stopped talking. He stopped doing interviews. She needs to stop doing interviews, because she clearly has no grasp on reality.
BECKEL: OK, since this is the liberal block, you've only got 15 seconds each. Go ahead.
BOLLING: No, go ahead, Dana.
PERINO: I was just going to say that I think that she is at a point in her life where she doesn't have to look online anymore. If you're selling $7,000 juicers, well, then somebody else can look at your online stuff for you and you don't have to worry about it anymore.
SHILLUE: And she doesn't worry about us saying bad things about her. I think she's great. She should say whatever she , and we should stop giving people grief for making analogies.
TANTAROS: What is with you today?
SHILLUE: She didn't say she was in the war. She said it's almost like. That's OK. You can make an analogy.
BECKEL: Well, Tom, I'm not so sure.
TANTAROS: That's not even close.
BECKEL: There are probably other analogies that would work besides that. And does she look like she's been in war?
SHILLUE: Bob, I leave here and they say, "How was 'The Five?,'" and I say, it's like being in combat being up there with Bob. I'm not really serious.
BECKEL; Could you tell me what you just said in my ear?
BOLLING: Brad Pitt.
BECKEL: We're out of time. Brad Pitt -- Brad Pitt is walking down the red carpet at one of those other ridiculous things that they have and he gets -- somebody jumps over and beats the hell out of him. Anybody going to comment on it? Eric?
BOLLING: He didn't really beat the hell out of him. He did it in front of a bunch of bodyguards. He got taken down. The question is, this guys has done it before. Remember, he tried to kiss a celebrity once?
SHILLUE: He's a jerk. He stuck his head under America Ferrara's dress.
BOLLING: Right, right, right.
SHILLUE: It's not a prank. The guy's a criminal.
BOLLING: How is he not in jail or away from these areas?
SHILLUE: They keep letting him out.
PERINO: The YouTube video maker is still in jail. You think that America could figure it out.
BECKEL: I want to know why the guy's got so many guards around him. How does somebody get to him?
TANTAROS: You know what? I'm going to go out and I'm going to do something really selfless. I'm going to volunteer to be Brad Pitt's bodyguard.
BECKEL: You think that dude's good looking?
TANTAROS: I think he's very handsome.
BOLLING: You mean Angelina?
BECKEL: His old lady is good looking. There's no question about that. OK, "One More Thing" is up next.
TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing," and Bob has a new date. Eric, you go first.
BOLLING: You outed him in the break.
BECKEL: You did.
BOLLING: OK. So last night Brian Williams said -- the interview that Brian Williams sat down with Ed Snowden aired last night. I just want to say I really, really liked the story. I wanted to do the story, but we didn't have time. So we're going to do this; we're going to take a little -- couple of excerpts. Take a listen.
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EDWARD SNOWDEN, NSA LEAKER: There are some things worth dying for, and I think the country is one of them.
BRIAN WILLIAMS, NBC NEWS ANCHOR: Do you see yourself as a patriot?
SNOWDEN: I do. But being a patriot doesn't mean prioritizing service to government above all else. Being a patriot means knowing when to protect your country, knowing when to protect your Constitution, knowing when to protect your countrymen.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: So it's opening a can of worms, I guess.
PERINO: I can't believe you just did that. You just pulled a Bob in a "One More Thing."
BOLLING: Remember, Fourth Amendment, Constitution.
PERINO: Pajama boy.
TANTAROS: All right. Man with the hot date.
BECKEL: Yes, you get a sniff (ph), you and your wife.
OK. Great honor to George H.W. Bush, who is a big Yaley. And he used to be at war with Harvard and everything, but he was ordered a doctorate of law from Harvard along with Mike Bloomberg and Aretha Franklin.
I would say congratulations, Mr. President. You deserve it very much.
PERINO: He's going to be 90 next week, I think.
TANTAROS: OK. I have been wrestling with a guy that put up a YouTube video about a frog on a sprinkler. And I love this video. And he will not respond for permission for me to show it to you.
So if you're watching, guy with a frog on a sprinkler, please respond and I can show the video. Instead I have to do this about the "New York Times."
I like Twitter; I like social media. I always have typos, and I come to find out today the New York Times has them, too. On the front page, check this out. The big story, front page story on "The New York Times" -- do we have that there? See that word there highlighted? "Response." They forget the "s." So I felt a little better about my own typos today. Unusual thing for The New York Times.
TANTAROS: Didn't we say Jill Abramson is somewhere laughing hysterically?
PERINO: She might be.
TANTAROS: Should have paid me what you paid the guys.
OK. So this story is insane. And on my online series, "Trending," I got to talk to a mother whose child was denied the ability to use the restroom by a teacher who said that they need to pay using fake money, denying all these kids the ability to go to the bathroom.
Marchon Ortega spoke to me exclusively about this crazy story, which is in Washington state at the Evergreen Public School. Listen.
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MARCHON ORTEGA, DAUGHTER DENIED BATHROOM PRIVILEGES: She chose not to pay to use the restroom. And she had to go so bad that she said it hurt so bad that she just -- she couldn't hold it no more. She urinated herself.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TANTAROS: All right, Lis Wiehl talked to me. She said this woman has a case. It's on "Trending." You should check it out. It's an insane story. They actually want the little girl to apologize, and they called her a liar. Sad.
BECKEL: We've only got a few seconds.
SHILLUE: I just got back from Iceland. Unbelievable. Look at these photos. I got out of my show. Look it, that's 11 p.m. in Iceland when I just got out of this comedy club. And then I went swimming in a blue lagoon. Look at this picture. I did not enhance that photo. Look at that. It's a hot springs. It's amazing. If you ever get a chance, visit Reykjavik.
BECKEL: Anybody have -- what's the name of that monster that runs around the northwest?
BECKEL: Saskatchewan. There he is.
TANTAROS: People in Iceland have a sense of humor?
SHILLUE: They're fans of "Red Eye" and "The Five."
TANTAROS: Don't forget to set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you right back here tomorrow.
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