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Is Hillary Clinton's health fair game if she runs in 2016?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 14, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, FOX HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and Greg Gutfeld is back. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Hillary Clinton is going to face a lot of tough questions if she decides to run for president. Karl Rove raised one about her health and the left is on the attack.

Clinton suffered a concussion in 2012 after a fall and she addressed that incident a few weeks later.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON, FMR. SECRETARY OF STATE: I still have some lingering effects from falling on my head, and having the blood clot, but the doctors tell me that that will all recede.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Rove wonders if they are health could be an issue for her if she runs again in 2016.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KARL ROVE, REPUBLICAN POLITICAL CONSULTANT: She had a serious episode, a serious health episode. We don't know what the doctor said about what she has to be concerned about. We don't know about what -- she's hidden a lot.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Democrats including former President Clinton take issue with Rove's remarks, but Hillary is certainly not the first politician to face questions about health or age. Look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You already are the oldest president in history. And some of your staff say you were tired after your most recent encounter with Mr. Mondale.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And for him to toss out comments like that, I think, is an example of him losing his bearings.

BARBARA WALTERS, ABC NEWS: There are people who say you couldn't be president because you are so heavy, what do you say to them?

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: That's ridiculous.

UNIDENTIFIED MAEL: I happen that I think that Jeb Bush isn't going to run. Not because of any inside information. He's overweight, Joe, and overweight people tend not to run for president.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Bob, is that why you've never run for president?

(LAUGHTER)

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, FOX HOST: Oh, Dana.

BOB BECKEL, FOX HOST: The only thing that's kept me away, otherwise I would have been the President of the United States, no question about it, despite my own past history.

You know, one of the things about this health thing is nobody runs for President of the United States who is not put through the grill about what their health is like. They are going to reproduce all their medical reports. Every doctor is going to be asked questions. I went through this with Mondale and he was a perfectly healthy guy. It is -- so those questions are going to be answered.

Is this a shot across the bow to try to get her not to run? Well, the problem with that is she's already run. She knows what it's about. If you hadn't known -- if you didn't know what it was about, maybe you say, OK, well, I don't want to put my family through this. Well, she's been there, done that, and I don't think anything like this is going to scare it. If she doesn't run it, maybe she does have a health problem. But I don't think she does and I think we'll know.

PERINO: Right and as Brit Hume said yesterday, we have no reason to believe that she's not totally healthy.

Kimberly, Karl Rove can be the gift that always gives back to the Democrats. They love to talk about Karl Rove. President Obama used to talk about him all the time in his campaign literature. So Karl bears some responsibility for his comments, right, but it's not as if he went out there and he hadn't been saying it before. This was at a private event, someone picks it up, it ends up on page six and now we're leading "The Five" with it.

GUILFOYLE: Well, he make news and he's their favorite villain. They went and spent a lot of extra money on a special sterling silver frame when they put his picture up on the wall to say, "What can we get out of Karl today?" Right? Because they want to be relevant, they want to have something to say, and they need a good villain. But unfortunately, with him, they've got somebody who's very smart and has a lot of experience so he's tough for them to pin down.

PERINO: If the Democrats are talking about Karl Rove, Eric, that means they are not having to talk about other things, like policies or any sort of plans for the future.

ERIC BOLLING, FOX HOST: Look, you may or maw not like what Karl did, but Karl didn't slip in doing what he did. He was very shrewedly and -- look, he was very political in what he did. He brought up --

PERINO: You think he's the evil genius?

BOLLING: I think he's an evil genius. I love Karl. I think he's --

PERINO: He's the architect.

BOLLING: He's brilliant. Look, he planted a seed, and now the left and the right are both watering it like crazy and guess what? It's start to go sprout and you have to ask the question -- is she capable, is she OK? What was that lens on that left eye glass after her head bump?

I know we're going to run a sound bite. But it really, really is super important that Karl said something about three months and he got beat up for saying three months. He said she spent three months in the hospital. Then it was three days, the left is saying. However, Bill Clinton said something wild today. He said it wasn't three months, it was six months before she was better. So Bill took Karl's ball and then ran with it even further.

PERINO: First and goal?

BECKEL: You're exactly right, though. I do think it was political on Karl's part. The question is was it much too early?

PERINO: But I also think that Karl didn't like hold a press conference and put it out there. He was at private event where he was giving a speech.

BECKEL: He was waiting for a occasion to say it.

PERINO: But he says -- but I don't think it's the first time he said it is the point. Maybe they need to cover Karl a bit more closely.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, keep an eye on him.

PERINO: Let's listen to Howard Fineman on MSNBC and get Greg's take on that.

Oh, we don't have it. So I'm going to read it. OK, can I read it to you?

GREG GUTFELD, FOX HOST: Yes, please. I love your voice.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, like a bedtime story.

PERINO: No, we were just talking about that. I know everyone hates my face.

All right. "The whole Republican strategy is to make this all so distasteful to Hillary that she's going to look at it and say I don't want to run. It's too dirty, it's too nasty. I think that's vaguely sexist because I don't think you would say that about any man that you're going to scare him out of the race because he is not tough enough."

And that was Howard Fineman on MSNBC.

GUTFELD: Well, first off, suggesting that a liberal has brain damage, how can you tell?

PERINO: There's that.

BECKEL: Now that's funny.

GUTFELD: I had to do that for you, Bob, because I love you. I kid the libs. But OK. You want to talk about distaste and you want to talk about sexism, remember that Hillary called Monica Lewinsky loony tunes for sleeping or fooling around with her husband. That's actually a worse kind of sexism because you're attacking a woman for doing essentially what you do. And, by the way, Monica is an expert on distaste -- dis taste awful.

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: Now, you are worse than Bob.

GUTFELD: I gotta tell you. I do not -- I cannot defend Karl Rove on this. Because I do think you don't make it easier for your opposition. Republicans do not need an angle to make Hillary look weaker. She has a track record. But also the Republicans need a candidate. They don't need an angle. They need a candidate, by comparison, that makes Hillary or whoever runs, look weak.

You know, people claim that they made Senator McCain look old in order to beat him, but actually by nominating Obama, by juxtaposition, made John McCain -- who was a great candidate, a war hero, a coherent funny guy -- make him look old and cranky by juxtaposition. The Republicans need to start thinking about a candidate and not thinking about calling the other candidate a victim of brain damage.

GUILFOYLE: Do you have a suggestion?

GUTFELD: Yes, find a candidate.

GUILFOYLE: Who?

GUTFELD: By the way, doing something like this makes Hillary Clinton look sympathetic.

BECKEL: Exactly right.

GUTFELD: It makes her look sympathetic to me. I'm sympathetic to her.

BOLLING: To some, perhaps. But I think it also opens up the question -- is she fit? Is she OK? This is the biggest economy on the globe.

And also can we just talk about the hypocrisy for a minute. You outlined it a little bit in the sound bites, but remember when Michele Bachmann was running for president? They said, oh, she has headaches and she released her medical records. Oh, she's not fit to be president. She has headaches. Who knows what's going to happen.

GUTFELD: That was from the right and left.

BOLLING: Well, OK, fair enough. Remember when Mitt Romney didn't pay -- they throw these nuggets out there. They do this all the time.

GUILFOYLE: But isn't a legitimate -- Eric, isn't it a legitimate question about someone's health?

BOLLING: I think what Karl did was purposeful and brilliant.

GUILFOYLE: I think Karl --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: It's absolutely one thing that every presidential candidate, for as long as I can remember, has been put through. It's a number one question: are you healthy enough to run?

PERINO: Well, I will tell you, Karl is brilliant. But I was his spokesperson for many, many years. I think he gets a little bit too much credit --

GUILFOYLE: Are you saying you're more brilliant?

PERINO: -- sometimes for being strategic on some of these things.

GUTFELD: This is a wonderful topic for the media because, basically on the freeway to Hillary's failures, this was an off ramp to talk about how petty the opposition is, when we could be focusing on Benghazi. When you could be focusing on every foreign policy blunder in the Middle East. You don't need to talk about this.

PERINO: Well, let me just say --

GUTFELD: Till later perhaps.

PERINO: It's interesting, they were -- Jay Carney who is now the press secretary who used to work for "Time" magazine and was a bureau chief there in the D.C. office, he was shot back at Karl today. I understand why. I think that was fair.

But interesting -- this was from February 4, 2008, cover story of "Time" magazine, when he wrote, Carney wrote, about McCain. "He has suffered skin cancers over the years, not to mention brutal physical torture as a prisoner of war. His age and health therefore are of legitimate concern to voters."

So to your point, Bob, that it's legit. I'm going to ask Eric because you brought up something that is a good talking point as we leave here -- before we leave here to the B Block. One of things that Howard Fineman and others on left have been saying today is that this is all part of a Republican strategy to make her look weak, that they try to throw things out there. But remember when Harry Reid suggested on the Senate floor that Mitt Romney had never paid taxes? And not paid his taxes?

BOLLING: Exactly my last point.

PERINO: So we're tracking --

BOLLING: We are tracking exactly the same. It's common political practice. Now, Karl is getting a lot of heat because maybe of the timing. Maybe it's too soon. But if not now, when?

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: We've got one minute left.

GUTFELD: I think you wait. Until that -- the idea of health comes up.

GUILFOYLE: So you are saying it matters.

GUTFELD: It matters.

GUILFOYLE: He makes a good point.

GUTFELD: It matters. In fact, he might be right. If she decides not to run, Karl Rove could be right all along. It's just that when you have serious issues and you're building up to a mid term election, why look petty?

BECKEL: Yes, but you're not going to scare her away unless she really does have health problems.

PERINO: I don't think he said it because of that, with that intention at all.

BECKEL: But you know what this goes back to? You all are probably too young to remember this, but there was a guy by the name of Thomas Eagleton --

GUTFELD: Of course, electroshock.

BECKEL: Who was picked as George McGovern's running mate, and it was discovered during the convention that he had electric shock therapy and, after that, everybody's health was wide open.

PERINO: That's right. Well, I thought that that was a very riveting discussion.

BOLLING: Oh, you would.

PERINO: And we are going to get out of there and get you over to Shep Smith right after this. Make sure to catch Karl Rove. He's on "HANNITY" tonight at 10:00 p.m. and then coming up on "The Five," Jon Stewart calls out Harry Reid for his obsession with Charles and David Koch. Hs hypocrisy is something to see and it's coming up.

But, first, an update from Shep Smith on the fires in the West.

SMITH: Dana, we're watching homes burn to the ground. Live pictures coming into us from our station Fox 5 for San Diego. The air droppers are up, the water droppers are up. They are in this shot as well. And, here, moments ago we were watching three homes burned to the ground. We believe that's six structures now that are burning across the San Diego area.

The smokenadoes are going up all over the place because the winds have been swirling so badly. Reporters are scene. And look at this house, just behind this reporter from our station KSWB. Home after home in this area, and that had been the concern all day that these fierce winds coming off the desert to the sea would cause this, and it has.

Right now, the evacuation order has gone to 15,000 people -- or I should say 15,000 homes and businesses. Two elementary schools and a middle school have been evacuated and the fire danger extremely high all across the San Diego-Carlsbad area. There's one burning along the 5 freeway.

When the news breaks out, we'll break in. "The Five" will be back right after this commercial message.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Welcome back to the fastest seven, folks. Three alluring stories, seven action-packed minutes, and one animated host. No Jay-Z, no Beyonce, no Charles Barkley today.

But we do have rapists, murderers, thieves, Eleanor Clift and Jon Stewart.

First up, 36,000 illegal immigrants with criminal records were released when the Obama administration directed ICE detention centers to allow these criminals to simply go free. Just yesterday, President O described these illegals not as hardened criminals, more like the guy next door, kind of sort of.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: These are folks who are woven into the fabrics of our communities. Most of them are not making trouble. Most of them are not causing crimes. We've got to spend (ph) time dealing with somebody who -- who's not causing any other trouble other than the fact that they were trying to make a living for their families. That's just not a good use of our resources.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right, K.G., let's talking about this for a second. We looked it up, and these -- some of these criminals are just literally let go free, just go, go ahead.

GUILFOYLE: Right, here's the problem.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Two hundred murders, 400 rapists, 300 kidnappers. Sorry, go.

GUILFOYLE: Murderers, rapists, kidnappers, coming out of the (inaudible) prosecutors. This is a serious concern. These people were just let go, like, bye-bye, give them the sort of the Heisman (ph) thing here, like, go to the side, it's OK. The doors of justice no longer have locks on them. It is a concern, Bob. You are shaking your head but -- I don't think you want people like that just free, running around. There's no --

BECKEL: Of course I don't.

GUILFOYLE: Come back in the country, in and out, commit crimes at will?

BECKEL: First of all -- I've been told not to criticize our own show, but that edit of Barack Obama was one of the most out of context. He was talking about people who are here who are not criminals, who've got families here.

But leaving that aside, do you really think somebody sat back and said, "Let me let a 400 murders go"? No. First of all, if they were convicted of murder, they should be in jail at some place, right?

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: My bigger point is the Department of Justice should enforce the existing laws.

BECKEL: What existing laws? If they murdered somebody, they go to jail. I mean, it's --

GUILFOYLE: That's not true.

BOLLING: Let me just tell you something, and we asked this question, whether they're just released freely back onto U.S. soil. These criminal aliens were released under a variety of conditions. It doesn't say how many or which ways -- which were to subject to what kind of release. Completely inaccurate what you just said. They are --

BECKEL: Not inaccurate -- 75 percent of them were released (ph) because of court orders, number orders. Number two, a lot of them are being monitored. And three, there's no room for them in a lot of these --

BOLLING: So release murders, rapists and kidnappers.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: You really believe that, you gotta be out of your mind.

BOLLING: I do.

BECKEL: I mean, I just -- honest to God. I just -- it's incredible to me that we're actually going with this story. That's all right.

PERINO: I'm going to agree with Bob. Because I think, for as divisive as the country is on a lot of issues, when it comes to murderers, rapists and kidnappers, I think we can all find common ground. I don't necessarily think that was what President Obama was talking about.

However, one of problems that President Obama has had from the beginning is that he doesn't define the populations well or the problem well; therefore, when they try to do an immigration bill, it gets so confusing because you're -- those people, absolutely, they should be in jail and locked up.

Or if we're going to decide that their court orders says that they should be released, then the other problem is the deportation one, which President Obama has actually has some good numbers on deportation.

BECKEL: Yes, he does.

PERINO: So I think that there's faults in the administration's approach to getting comprehensive immigration reform. They bear a lot of that responsibility, but those particular individuals are not one of them.

BOLLING: Greg, should Obama be held accountable for some of the things that goes on with these criminals, hardened criminals?

GUTFELD: I think it's our fault, Eric, for using that kind of language, calling them criminals, criminal immigrants. That seems so harsh (ph). We need a new phrase like law optional visitors. That way it's not so bad. And we can deal with them in a better way.

By the way, I do have a solution for this. It's called the catapult.

(LAUGHTER)

In 2001, the Supreme Court decision said that if home countries don't want these criminals back in six months, we got to let them go. That's why you have a catapult. You take the murderer, you put him in a catapult, you fire him over the fence and back over, and you go, "You're stuck with this scumbag, enjoy."

BECKEL: As much as you guys don't -- you particularly don't like Barack Obama, do you think for a minute that this guy would allow murderers to walk around on the street?

BOLLING: Bob, I didn't make this up! This was documents that were --

BECKEL: It was requested by the House of Representatives --

BOLLING: And we're not making this up, though; 37,000 criminals, Bob.

GUILFOYLE: These are ICE statistics --

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: -- that have been turned over from that.

BOLLING: We've got to go. We've got to go. They're telling me this is the fastest seven, so keep it moving.

Next hot story, last weekend Eleanor Clift went off the rails and said Ambassador Stevens wasn't -- and she did this -- murdered at Benghazi, that he died from smoke inhalation. Well, Clift, who during the Clinton presidency was once nicknamed Eleanor Rodham Clifton, doubled down last night. The sound bite speaks for itself.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VOICE OF ELEANOR CLIFT, LIBERAL PUNDIT: I was taking issue with the sort of glib use of the word murdered, and I think, you know, dying of smoke inhalation in the safe room of a CIA outpost is -- has a slightly different feeling. And my point is that it was a very chaotic event. I was just trying to add a little bit of complexity, and I'm going to stick with what I said.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right, go ahead.

GUTFELD: We're all such simpletons because we called it murder because it's so complex when somebody dies from arson. She's an idiot. But this is not news because she's been around for four decades. She's the beneficiary of what I call liberal welfare. She spouts this stuff. She still has a job. Either that, or she has pictures of John McLaughlin naked, because I have no understand -- I have no idea why she's there. Her priorities over sensitivity, you imagine if you use that same language on victims of 9/11 or victims of Waco, or anywhere would you say that? Of course you wouldn't.

BOLLING: Why double down on something like this? Why not just --

PERINO: It could be delusional, but also, there's -- she pays no consequences, right? So what Greg is saying is that there's no consequences on the left for saying something that crazy because it actually then makes people on the left not look as crazy as she is.

BECKEL: As opposed to people on the right.

PERINO: Correct. So she's trying to get people more in the middle.

BOLLING: Well, is there any defending, Bob? There's not --

BECKEL: No, I mean, you can't. First of all, if you go -- you're the prosecutor. If you go light somebody's house on fire and you know they are in there, and they burn down and they die, it's murder, right?

GUILFOYLE: It's called felony murder. It counts just like if you go up to somebody with a gun and shoot them. If you commit a felony, and during the commission of that felony, someone dies, it's felony murder and you are bye-bye. That's a first degree.

BOLLING: Let's move on to this one.

Finally, we all know that Dirty Harry Reid is obsessed like Bob with Charles and David Koch. In a rare fair and balanced segment, my pal Jon Stewart on his "Daily Show" last night -- the comedian took Harry Reid to task for being the totally yellow-bellied hypocrite of a buffoon that he is. Behold a thing of beauty.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JON STEWART, HOST, "DAILY SHOW" Sheldon Adelson, arch conservative and reads Home State, (ph) the owner of Los Vegas Sands Corporation, the country's single biggest casino company, including the Vegas strip's only non-union casino, this guys spent millions to fighting to outlaw online gambling, tens of millions fighting organized labor. In the 2012 presidential election, he gave $90 million to Republican candidates.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): Sheldon Adelson, don't pick on him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(LAUGHTER)

STEWART: Wait, what the -- I'm sorry. What did you say there? Don't -- don't pick on the billionaire who puts money in politics, why?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REID: I know Sheldon Adelson. He's not in this for money. He's in it because he has certain ideological views.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BOLLING: That's kind of what we do every day right here on "The Five."

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but see how inconsistent he is? I mean, what is he talking about?

BECKEL: What he's talking about is a guy that has -- is a big Nevada figure who is a friend of his and who probably has gotten some favors from him and he's not about to -- (CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: What's the difference between (inaudible) does to the Democrats? And Idolson (ph), obviously, is a big Republican supporter, too. But what's the difference between Steyer, who's a Democrat supporter and -- and the Koch brothers? What's the difference?

BECKEL: Well, how do I begin to count the ways? Steyer did not underwrite virtually every right-wing wacko group in the country as the Koch brothers did.

BOLLING: That's -- but that's not what Harry Reid says. And by the way, he -- they don't. But Harry Reid --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: -- issue with the Koch brothers is their businesses.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: I would just say that when the history of this period is written, when we are long dead and gone, the chapter about the battle over the billionaires and who could get that billionaire in their corner will not be a pretty one.

BECKEL: Well, in my case that's going to be that far down the road. So the history may have to be debated here sooner than later. It's -- it is billionaires. I mean, billionaires have having a big impact on American politics.

GUILFOYLE: I think billionaires are awesome. I'd like to have a lot of them.

PERINO: Single ones, in particular.

BOLLING: Harry Reid cutting some billionaires slack and not others.

GUTFELD: I'm just really pleased that finally Jon Stewart has provided us with some story content. Usually, we provide him with about 90 percent of his weekly intake.

But you know, the reason why -- we're missing the point here. The reason why Jon Stewart is going off on that is because Adelson gave a hundred million to Republicans. If it was -- if it was a liberal billionaire, he wouldn't care. So he -- he's only doing this because this guy isn't his guy.

And by the way, all politicians have rich friends, and shouting about it is like shaking your fist at a volcano. It doesn't do any good.

BOLLING: All right, we gotta leave it right there.

Coming up, if you're a college grad looking for a job and having a hard time finding one, stick around, Dana Perino has some advice that could change your life. You don't want to miss it.

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SMITH: Breaking news now on FOX News Channel. I'm Shepard Smith on the FOX News deck. Back to ""The Five"" in a moment.

First, our local station in San Diego, KSWB, has been standing by in Carlsbad, California. This is a cul-de-sac sort of neighborhood on the top of the hill. The fire has just raced up the hill, and now they are scrambling. The fire department has come in to try to get this entire place evacuated.

This is the scene all along the 5 Freeway from Carlsbad into San Diego itself, at Camp Pendleton. And this is the live look from our local station. They're on the air at 2:30 in the afternoon.

This neighborhood, they just told us, is about to go. So the fire department is kicking the news crews, the residents, everybody out there. The police have just come in, and the fire department seems to believe they're not going to be able to save this neighborhood or so many more that are going up in and around the Carlsbad area.

The evacuation totals are now at 15,000 for the region, and we've been watching home after home burn. This picture just coming in. I want to show you one thing before we go back to "The Five."

Look at this fire-nado that we watched here just a few minutes ago on the FOX News deck. The winds are swirling to such a degree and the heat is so intense, that these fire-nadoes have been showing up all over the place. This one at the top of a canyon. As the winds are coming up, 25 to 30 miles an hour, then they create their own wind within the fire and as they top it out, these fire-nados have been everywhere.

Back to a live picture really quickly. This is the scene as we've been watching all across the region. Home after home being burned to the ground. Updates throughout the afternoon. Back to "The Five."

GUTFELD: Because we're all racists, Harvard School of Government will be offering classes in power and privilege to its new students.

"Privilege" is the new buzz word that describes people who get ahead because of their race or gender. It's a shorter way of saying "evil white man," and it's a tool for brainwashing your kids into thinking they're awful. You see, the beauty of the word "privilege" is you don't have to have to act racist to be racist. It's already in your blood. It seems kind of racist, no? Not if you're white.

In absence of God, racism is now the original sin. Simply by being born, you are bigoted. Your parents, by creating you, perpetrated this racist act. You weren't a baby, but a Don Sterling in diapers.

So why these courses now? It's simple. To occupy the incompetent. Take a kid who spends four years schooled in resentment and race warfare. What does he do now? Teach resentment and race warfare.

Here's a taste from a white privilege conference. Hmm, I wonder if racism is central to America?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Racism is central to America. White supremacy has been embedded in the United States of America from its founding.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Race is driving almost everything that's happened in the country.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The longer you are in the Tea Party, the more racist you become.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: The privilege scam is self-perpetuating work release described as concern but driven by desperation, for their careers need race hate to exist. Their only recourse: to drag you down into their muddy pit of whine and drizzle.

But do not dismiss it. That parents pay charlatans to corrupt their kids is the hate crime. No wonder our foes laugh at us. The entire movement must be underwritten by China.

Bob, you were talking about this earlier on another -- on another TV program.

BECKEL: Yes.

GUTFELD: Doesn't this idea make a mockery of an actual conversation about real racism when you just say everybody is bad?

BECKEL: Yes, I do. I think the idea that you're planting a seed here that says if you're white, you're automatically -- you've got racist tendencies. But I will say this: there are a lot of kids who are in college today or in graduate school today who never experienced the civil rights movement, never experienced the idea of segregation. Many of them had not had exposure to what happens to minorities in America. And it's a good idea to do that in a discussion in a history class.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

BECKEL: I'm not so sure I would do it in something like this.

GUTFELD: Yes, because it seems to me, Eric, that this isn't history. This is indoctrination.

BOLLING: The scary part if you read the literature today, thousands and thousands of teachers and students attended this. It's not like 20 people in the backroom of Harvard having a little meeting. It's scary. I can't imagine kids actually listening to this and having teachers teach it to them. What's the message? To continue the race divide in America? Doesn't it actually perpetrate racism by doing what they are doing? They are saying America is -- has racist background? Yes, we know there's racism but things are getting better.

BOLLING: But I think what Eric's point is, Kimberly, is what if you suddenly agreed with them? You're right. Power, privilege. What do you want? What do you want us to do? That's -- they want something -- they want a form of punishment, I would assume.

GUILFOYLE: Well, that's the problem. See, you're being punished, right, for a crime that you didn't even commit or think of, and shouldn't be held responsible for. You're not the perpetrator.

So I'm not quite sure why you have to lead with an assumption that someone is guilty or, you know, guilty of some kind of malfeasance or wrongdoing. Where's the evidence or the proof of that? I don't feel that that is moving forward as a country when you sit there and cast, you know, blame and dispersions to people that they're bad, they have bad thoughts, or just for living, breathing, waking up in the morning.

GUTFELD: Dana, doesn't -- isn't -- this isn't meant to help students, is it? It's meant to help the people that teach it. Because I can't imagine this helping you in any way shape or form when you get out into the real world. You feel like a victim or feel like victimizer.

PERINO: Right. In the 1970s in Denver, they did bussing to integrate the schools, and I was a part of that. And I thought the whole point of the civil rights movement was so that we could get beyond this.

And I remember President Obama talking about his daughters and how that whole generation is much more accepting and nondiscriminatory than anybody in the past.

What they're teaching here, like, can you imagine a university in America teaching that all Germans today are responsible for what the Nazis did in World War II? They would never say that.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: But for some reason this is actually accepted, because as Eric said, how many thousands of people actually went? And at a Midwest university they banned the film "The Honor Diaries."..

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: ... because they didn't want to offend Muslims.

BECKEL: I would bet you if you asked most high school or college students if there's still racism in America, a large percentage of them would say no.

PERINO: I don't know.

GUTFELD: Maybe -- maybe that might be a good thing.

GUILFOYLE: Why do you apologize for progress? I don't understand.

BECKEL: Because it's not -- in and of itself, it's an untrue statement.

GUTFELD: Well, there's always something bad in the world that exists. They're always -- as a reduction in crime across the country, there are still murders.

BECKEL: By the way, I didn't know Germans -- did Germans, did they -- maybe there's something to that, I don't know.

GUTFELD: Oh, you're terrible.

All right, ahead, Justin Bieber is a dope. But is he a thief, as well?

GUILFOYLE: What?

GUTFELD: He's just been accused of attempted robbery at a miniature golf course. But who hasn't? Am I right? Kimberly has got the latest incident of Bieber's long rap sheet.

GUILFOYLE: Of course. Yes.

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GUILFOYLE: Leave it to Beaver -- I mean Bieber.

Justin Bieber can't seem to stay out of trouble. Now the singer is now accused of -- Bob.

BOLLING: How old are you?

GUILFOYLE: Stop it -- of attempted robbery in Los Angeles at a mini golf course and batting cage. Now, a woman claims Bieber took her phone and screamed at her after she took pictures of him and his entourage, with her daughter nearby. And employee that says she witnessed the incident tells TMZ the woman was the instigator, much like Mr. Beckel in this case.

PERINO: I know what you're thinking.

GUTFELD: Bob is laughing at one word.

GUILFOYLE: I know he is.

GUTFELD: It has absolutely no relevance to anything, but he hears it. He's 7 years old. You're Beavis from "Beavis and Butthead."

GUILFOYLE: Immature. Like...

PERINO: That's why we love him.

GUILFOYLE: Ronan is more mature than Bob, off and on. Seriously.

All right. Who wants this?

GUTFELD: Well, can I a point? Can I just make a point, that right now, Justin Bieber is a carton of eggs? He has a shelf life, and it's very important to him to eat every single egg in that before we throw him into the trash because in two years, he's going to be making money by selling his blood. Because he's -- teenyboppers have a short shelf life of girls in love with them. And then the next day, they've got all the posters, and they move on. He knows that.

GUILFOYLE: He does have nice hair.

PERINO: I think that's true. That happened with Shaun Cassidy.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: And Leif Garrett.

GUILFOYLE: I had both of their pictures up and Christian Slater...

PERINO: Rick Springfield.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, yes, and Rick Springfield.

PERINO: One day you just decide to move on.

GUTFELD: It's weird. I saw that with my niece. It's just like she had them all over her wall. And then you woke up, and you came into her room, and they were gone. And it was like I think she met a boy.

Perino: I'm over him.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: OK, Bolling, what can you do for this block?

BOLLING: The only thing I can add to this segment is, I can't figure how Justin beeper can still make this much money. My son...

GUTFELD: Teenage girls.

BOLLING: Yes, but the teenage boys cannot stand him.

GUTFELD: Girls spend money.

BOLLING: And they still like -- do teenage girls still like Justin Bieber?

GUILFOYLE: Female bonding (ph) power.

BOLLING: ... when there are other alternatives out there?

GUILFOYLE: What they want...

GUTFELD: One Direction. One Direction will be what Bieber is (ph).

GUILFOYLE: Yes, five Biebers there for the price of one. And then you've got Miley Cyrus who looks suspiciously like Bieber.

GUTFELD: Bieber. I hate Justin Bieber.

GUILFOYLE: They've never been seen at the same place at the same time, check me on that, all right. But so this is the situation now that might be getting walked back a little bit by a woman who says her phone was taken. This is a developing story, as we like to say.

Go ahead.

BECKEL: Well, I've kept a poster of -- what was her name? "Charlie's Angels"?

GUILFOYLE: Farrah Fawcett?

BECKEL: I kept my Farrah Fawcett -- still have it -- Farrah Fawcett poster.

PERINO: Is it in your apartment right now?

BECKEL: As a matter of fact, it is.

GUILFOYLE: With the other visitors?

BECKEL: The thing about Bieber is, I couldn't agree with Greg more. The shelf life. You know, you look at somebody -- as much heat as he got, Michael Jackson was able to go from a child star up to and until the time he died, right?

BOLLING: And then after. And after.

BECKEL: And then there are very few examples like that that I can think of who made it the whole way. And this kid, not only is he not going to make it the whole way, I don't think he's talented enough to make it, as he is right now.

GUILFOYLE: And then you wondered about how long he's going to be in this country, right?

GUTFELD: He has great abs, though.

PERINO: Not really.

GUILFOYLE: By the way, that's a little gross that you would see that.

PERINO: Kind of skinny.

GUTFELD: That's the point.

BECKEL: You think Josh made that hair cut for him.

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. Maybe.

GUTFELD: He has a second career.

GUILFOYLE: Coming up -- we're done with this. Coming up, is the NFL about to relax its rules for players who want to smoke pot? Should it? Next on "The Five."

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BECKEL: Welcome to the fastest one minute in television. NFL may be about to make game-changing alterations to the league's marijuana policy. Under a new agreement, expected to be finalized soon, the threshold for a positive pot test would be increased. While the punishment for weed violations would be decreased.

Eric, what do you think?

BOLLING: You know, I hate this. We do this segment every once in a while, and I hate it because I believe in allowing athletes to, you know, enhance their performance, because we can't stop it, stop trying to stop it. You can't police it.

And I also believe in legalization -- or legalization of pot. But every time I say something like that, I get beat up.

Last night, everybody got mad at me because I said I thought Magic Johnson was a classy guy or I knew about Jay-Z and Beyonce. So I mean, you guys are ticked off at me about everything, so I'm just going to leave it here. I believe -- let the athletes do what they want.

BECKEL: If it's weed that they used, what they are going to? The end's going to go out and say, "Hey, man, throw me the ball here." It's not going to enhance...

GUILFOYLE: Bob, you know what? Is that a good idea?

BECKEL: What?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I don't think feel like slowing down the pace of football. Are you kidding me?

BECKEL: If you smoke a lot of weed you're going to slow it down.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, listen, stop testing for everything is my point. What is -- if you're not -- so then what about steroids? What about this? I don't know. I mean, I think it's a little suspect.

BECKEL: Let's move to a resident expert on weed from her home state, Dana Perino. What do you think?

PERINO: All I got to say is smoke 'em if you got 'em.

GUTFELD: You are a little drug addict, aren't you?

GUILFOYLE: You have a family entrepreneur.

PERINO: Go to Jamie Perino's shop in Denver, 16th Street Mall. I have no financial contribution.

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GUTFELD: You get the free cookies.

PERINO: Just for my cousin.

BECKEL: ... long-time defender of legalizing marijuana.

GUTFELD: I honestly don't know how -- I man, given the strengths of these drugs, how athletes can actually do this and play. But they do it -- they do it. I don't know when they do it.

But if you're going to raise the THC threshold with the amount of drug in your system, you've got to raise the threshold for dumb things you say as well.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: Because that -- they go hand in hand. When you're high you say stupid things.

And right now the policing of language, of fining people for saying stupid things on Twitter...

GUILFOYLE: It's getting to be dangerous.

GUTFELD: ... that's creeping me out more than this. Right you know, right now pot is basically the new alcohol, and you can't punish people for wanting to escape life once in a while.

BECKEL: And what about -- what about these teams go and play in Denver or Seattle? I mean, right? It's legal. I assume people are all going to be in the stands are all going to be smoking dope when they're -- not all...

GUTFELD: It's going to be maturity of this trend, where it's going to be just like another thing. It will take about ten years, but it will just be like martinis.

BECKEL: Could you imagine the kind of -- amount of food they'd have to plate for professional football players if they were all stoned? It would be unbelievable.

"One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you.

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PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." Greg, since you're back, you get to go first.

GUTFELD: Oh, yippee-yi-ay.

All right. You know, I give a lot of grief to cats, and I feel bad about that after I've seen this amazing video. Let's roll this.

See this little kid? He's out playing, enjoying himself in a giant white egg. And then all of a sudden there's a dog, and the dog says, "I'm going to crack that egg and beat the crap out of that kid."

Goes over there, comes up from behind, starts attacking the kid. But you know what happens? You know what happens? The cat comes in!

GUILFOYLE: Yes!

GUTFELD: The cat comes in, chases the dog away. I've never seen anything like this in my life. Look at this cat. This is a super cat. This is an amazing, God-like being.

GUILFOYLE: Whose cat was that?

GUTFELD: It was the kid's cat.

GUILFOYLE: See?

GUTFELD: It was in Bakersfield, by the way, where they grow the kids big.

PERINO: I bet that dog's not going to be around.

GUTFELD: I don't know. But now you know. Cats...

BOLLING: I think that's Photoshopped.

GUTFELD: I like that they had cameras everywhere for that. They had four angles.

BECKEL: Shoot that dog.

GUILFOYLE: Was the little boy OK?

GUTFELD: Yes. The boy had some bites. Good question, Kimberly. He had some bites, some abrasions.

GUILFOYLE: He knows about dogs. Well, let me tell you something, then that dog is going to have to get an animal care and control hearing, and they're going to have a little talk about him.

BECKEL: That dog's going to have to be put to sleep.

PERINO: I get to go next, because I have what I think Bob is going to think is a great "One More Thing."

BECKEL: OK.

PERINO: If you are a college student or just graduated from high school or college and you cannot find a job in Obama's economy -- ha, kidding -- don't fret; don't just sit there. There are so many opportunities.

Get a loan from your Mom and Dad or from your grandparents and pick any of the states highlighted on this map, and go volunteer on a campaign. I don't care if you're Republican, or you're Democrat, or you're bicurious. Whatever it is.

GUTFELD: Dana -- Dana...

PERINO: Get it? If you're Republican or Democrat or you're not really sure.

GUTFELD: Dana, that's not what bicurious means.

GUILFOYLE: No, it's really not.

GUTFELD: I have a Web site, though.

PERINO: My point is that young people should go work on some of these campaigns. It's the best opportunity that they'll ever have. They'll build their network.

BECKEL: I think people who talk about politicians could be helpful to work on a campaign, too.

GUTFELD: Bob is also bicurious; if he's curious, he'll buy it.

PERINO: That's good. That's a good one.

GUILFOYLE: It's a weird show.

PERINO: Get your grandparents to help pay for your cost of living. Go work on these campaigns. You won't regret it.

BECKEL: Excellent idea.

PERINO: OK. Kimberly's next.

GUILFOYLE: Falling apart.

I want to talk about a case that was very significant that we covered in the news. Remember Amanda Berry and Michelle Knight and Gina DeJesus? And do you remember the hero from Cleveland?

Well, that man, Charles Ramsey, has a new book out called "Dead Giveaway." Came out on May 1. There he is right there. He's the one that freed Amanda Berry, which then led to the release of Michelle and Gina.

And in his book he talks about what happened on that afternoon, and he also -- I don't know if it's a little tidbit but was given 2,000 free hamburgers when this happened, because of the whole McDonald's situation. And he give them to the homeless. This is a good guy. You might want to check out his book. It's supposed to be pretty good. And I think it's, you know, a nice tribute.

And he sees Michelle Knight a few nights a week. He said she's doing very well.

PERINO: It will probably do well.

OK, Eric, you're next.

BOLLING: All right. One of my favorite "One More Things" in a long time. Check out Martin Molar (ph) from CBS who tracks these type of things in this tweet. He says President Obama is now boarding his 1,000th -- 1,000th flight on Air Force One.

So I did a little math on that one. Bobby, take notes. President Obama, 1,000 flights. Average flight, 22 hours; 2,000 hours, $228,000 per hour and that's from the -- that's from the military. They tell us that's how much it costs to operate Air Force One.

And guess what that comes out to, taxpayer dollars: $456,576,000 taxpayer dollars. Half a billion dollars.

BECKEL: Is that right there? Gee, I don't know that Obama's plane costs any more than anybody else's plane who's president.

BOLLING: Oh, yes, he has taken more flights than anybody has at this point.

BECKEL: Oh, yes? That's fine. A lot of golf. That what you saying?

PERINO: All right, Bob, your turn.

BECKEL: When I was a much younger man and most of these people weren't born, there was a killer, a serial killer, which is my hobby, by the way. Who was...

PERINO: Studying.

GUILFOYLE: Studying.

BECKEL: ... in San Francisco. His name was the Zodiac Killer. He was never caught. He was responsible for killing at least six people, claimed to have killed 37, and now his -- supposedly his son has written a book, who claims that he is the son of the Zodiac Killer. Now you'll see -- put that back up...

GUILFOYLE: Do you believe this?

BECKEL: ... for a second. That was a sketch of -- are we almost out of time?

BOLLING: Yes.

PERINO: Check out the sketch, because Bob has a good point. "Special Report" is next. DVR us and stuff. Bye.

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