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Is the White House afraid to confront radical Islam by name?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 12, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Brian Kilmeade.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."

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GUILFOYLE: Is the Obama administration afraid to confront radical Islam by name? Well, Boko Haram has declared war on Christians and Western education and more.

Today, the Islamic terror group released a video of what appears to be some of the missing Nigerian schoolgirls in Muslim garb.

Michelle Obama took the president's place this weekend to deliver his weekly address. She expressed outrage over the kidnappings, but failed to mission Islam or even Boko Haram.

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MICHELLE OBAMA, FIRST LADY: This unconscionable act was committed by a terrorist group determined to keep these girls from getting an education. In these girls, Barack and I see our own daughters.

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GUILFOYLE: Well, the first lady has taken part, though, in a new hashtag campaign to bring back our girls. Mike Rogers, George Will and Brit Hume think America is going to need a tougher foreign policy than that.

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REP. MIKE ROGERS (R), MICHIGAN: You can't base your policy on what's trending on Twitter. It has to be more than hashtags and selfies.

GEORGE WILL, CONSERVATIVE COLUMNIST: It's an exercise in self esteem. I do not know how adults stand there, facing the camera and said, bring back our girls. Are these barbarians in the wilds of Nigeria supposed to check their Twitter and say, uh-oh, Michelle Obama is very cross with us, we better change our behavior?

BRIT HUME, FOX NEWS SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: It's trending. It's trending on Twitter.

WILL: Power is the ability to achieve intended effects and this is not intended to have any effect on the real world.

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GUILFOYLE: All right. This is a tough one. I'm going to put Bolling on the hot seat on that, because -- you know, are you going to criticize, right, the first lady?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: No.

GUILFOYLE: She's trying to be involved. She's trying to send a message to communicate.

BOLLING: Not at all. I think it's great. I think she did the right thing. I think #bringbackourgirls, I think was credited to someone else. However, you need to keep it in the media because it's a trendy cool hashtag where everyone is talking about it. They are doing what they need to be doing. We all need to continue to talk about this, continue to put pressure.

The Nigerian government is asking for our help. We're giving our help in the form of some Secret Service -- I believe CIA, some covert operations, maybe some financial aid, doing exactly what we're supposed to do.

What we didn't do, and again, let me clarify, Hillary Clinton had a chance to put this group on the foreign terrorist organization, opening up a whole slew of different types of assets that we now can do if they chose to do it since John Kerry put them on the foreign terrorist organization.

So, we have a two-year kind of window that we lost, but they are doing what they have to do. They are doing what they can do.

I disagree with George Will and Brit Hume. I think you need to stay in the media and the way to do that is stay relevant on social media and continue the pressure.

GUILFOYLE: OK. So, it's part of the overall approach, right? You have to have the idea, a game plan. Let's hit it on social media. Let's create public awareness.

Do you like how they are handling it from a communication perspective?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, I always think you can do a few things differently. Plus, I don't operate with all the facts and knowledge that they have.

There could be a specific reason that the first lady was -- did not mention Boko Haram. They might have said that it would not be a good idea for her to do so because maybe they have some sort of intel about the psychological state of these terrorists that maybe they want her to do that. So, that -- I give her a pass on that one, of course.

And I don't think that anyone in the world actually thinks a Twitter hashtag is going to solve the problem. I do think the White House made a communications mistake in this, however. I think they should have paired - - the picture she took with #bringbackourgirls with some sort of, at the same time, policy statements declaring why we have a national interest here and why we should do something. I think they missed an opportunity. So, again, the cart was before the horse and everybody started making fun of the hashtag. Not everybody but some.

If I could say one other thing on this, which is, it's the Nigerians that are -- as a government, that is the incompetent here. Not the United States. The Nigerians are incapable of helping themselves and they also we find out today refused help from the Brits three days after the girls were taken.

So, I do think we have a national interest. I think we have one in the immediate term to try to bring them back. I agree with that.

However, we have to decide, are we going to help these governments get up to speed so that we don't have to go in and try to help them? That's where I think our foreign policy is not set enough. I feel like we get whipsawed by these events and the White House would be better served by giving a full on speech to explain where we were on the war on terror. It's not one we asked for but it's one we can win.

GUILFOYLE: Having some consistency in the way they act and the places they choose to get involved with from a U.S. standpoint and U.S. interests, to have some kind of consistency so there isn't this disparity where it's a confusing foreign policy message that we send.

Brian, how do you see the situation?

BRIAN KILMEADE, CO-HOST: I see it very simple. Islamic extremists. That's what they are about. That's what they're addressed.

They're just not crazy people. They are Islamic extremists who want to their views across.

If I'm a Muslim, I'm more outrage with anybody. You are screwing with my religion. You are making us look bad. They have to be standing up saying this has to stop and it has to stop now.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: And they were all --

KILMEADE: We are pretending as if we're not at war with them, but they are at war with us. They are taking over the continent of Africa.

It is so beyond criticizing a president or a hashtag. It is big picture stuff. The president has surprised a lot of people with the drone program. I love what he's doing. What he did in Yemen two and a half weeks ago, just come out and say it, we're going to help these governments continue to ward of the extremists in their midst who are ruthless and do anything, and we have to find a way -- they are the bad guys. We're the good guys -- to find those kids and bring them out and help Chad, like Mike Rogers went on to say, and help Kenya, that massacre in the malls, and stop playing defense and get on the offense.

Mike Sheen of West Point came out over the weekend, an expert, and said the only way to stop it is to continue to pushback on the jihad everywhere we go.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, you've been saying that as well from the beginning.

BECKEL: I've been saying it a long time. But let me -- a couple of comments.

I think Eric is exactly right. If a hashtag does nothing else, it forces the news media to realize how many people are interested in this and put it in the front page of the newspapers. It also puts in Europe and embarrasses the Nigerians.

I don't think there are a lot of Muslim countries that want the help, because I think in their own way, the heads of these governments want to see these terrorists continue to work. I think the Saudis have funded the terrorist for years. And they know it. They happened to send their money to Pakistan to do it. But we won't miss with the Saudis, why? Because our national interest, no, let's not take the Saudis. That's number one.

Number two, when you say this is not about -- why not Muslims stand up and say this is a war. This is a war on their religion and yet we have to carry the ball for them because they are too cowardly to do it themselves. I want to still -- I'm waiting. I'm waiting to hear back from the Saudi embassy, I'm waiting to hear back from the Egyptian embassy about this, who still have no comment.

And I'm waiting for the first cleric or imam who has the guts to say this is not what Mohammed meant. And if you don't, I'll just assume it's what you did mean.

BOLLING: Can I add to that a little bit. Brian, you mentioned Islamic extremism, and Bob, you mentioned you're waiting. So, I went to CAIR -- the CAIR Web site, you know, the Council on American Islamic Relations.

And I'm wondering how -- these girls have been kidnapped for a month. There have been 30 opportunities to put it on their front page. They have two opportunities where they kind of say -- they say this is a bad thing, this is shining a bad light on Islam.

However, today, and one of their biggest concern in the world is not those 200 or 300 young women who were kidnapped. Their biggest concern especially today and the last few days has been the 9/11 Museum film where the film actually says Islamic extremist. They hate that term.

So, now, Brian, they are more mat mad at you probably for saying Islamic extremism, or me, that they are Boko Haram. They should -- you're right, Bob, they should be calling us out on a daily basis. We are. Why aren't they?

BECKEL: Right, exactly.

GUILFOYLE: Brian --

KILMEADE: Just real quick, and I saw you jotting some stuff down. "London Daily Mail" did that story and they say, well, we decided that there some of that curriculum, they are pulling back on teaching the Holocaust and the Crusades because it offends Muslims in the school system in London. We are -- we're like -- the Western world, the civilized world is terrified of upsetting a bunch of crazy lunatics.

GUILFOYLE: We have become so timid.

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KILMEADE: We're afraid of an all out -- we're afraid of admitting that we've got to take the gloves off and go at it.

BECKEL: Well, let's take those things and put them back on, including the front burner, Islamic terrorists.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, I want to see if you agree here with Bill Maher, because we're talking about that, this has become sort of the cowering in the dark, while Islamic extremists sit there like the bullies, you know, of the world and get to run rampant over Christianity and everything else. That's why these girls were targeted.

Take a listen to Bill Maher and see if this surprises you.

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BILL MAHER, COMEDIAN: There was a Pew Poll of Egypt, something that 80 percent to 90 percent believe that death is was the proper penalty for leaving religion. If 84 percent of Brazilians thought that death was the proper penalty for leaving Catholicism, wouldn't that be a bigger story?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, but the point is that you cannot put altogether with the entire Islam or all Muslims.

MAHER: What becomes dangerous is that liberals like yourself, do not stand up for liberalism. Liberalism means one, mostly, equality of women, free speech --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, and there's also --

MAHER: -- no death threats.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: OK. He's actually standing up. I think he's got it right this time. Cautiously optimistic to say that.

Brian, we'll take it round the table.

KILMEADE: Just real quick -- we're here, we're splitting hairs by saying women are getting paid 12 cents less, more than men. This is -- if you really care about women's rights and you want to look globally because everyone accusing America being too focused on ourselves -- look around.

And by the way, if we leave Afghanistan prematurely, what do you think going to happen to all those women in that country, at a school, put the burqas on, back to room, no more education. We should talk about that.

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GUILFOYLE: What did we accomplish then?

KILMEADE: Yes, zero.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, Dana?

PERINO: Well, I was thinking about CAIR and remember the other big problem that they had a few weeks ago, was that film "The Honor Diaries" and remember they came on with Megyn Kelly show and they had this big blow- up because they were outraged, they didn't want any girls -- in two universities in America pulled the film back so that we wouldn't offend Muslims by showing it. What's happening to these young women, who were -- apparently today, Boko Haram said that they have now converted to Islam. That was the forced conversion of these girls.

"The Honor Diaries" was actually talking about that very thing. So, it tells me that CAIR is probably getting more funding for its operation from people who are concerned about this film down at the 9/11 site and also for "Honor Diaries." But not really -- I think if we are expecting CAIR to come out and say something --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get it (ph).

GUILFOYLE: We'll be waiting forever.

PERINO: It's never going to happen.

BOLLING: It really could be the PR wing of Islamic extremism. Sorry, CAIR. Ibrahim Hopper, call me, email me, do whatever you're going to do. But I honestly believe that.

If you look back over the last maybe 20 years or so, just about every single terror attack, most terror attacks, vast majority of terror attacks are -- can be linked back to some sort of Islamic extremist, some sort of Islamic fundamentalist funding if not ideology as well.

So, why not, you have to say -- if you want to look, if you want to look forward, focus on that group. Sorry we're not indicting the whole group. Not every Muslim is an extremist.

However, if you are going to look at a group, hey, look at that group, I can't remember any Christians blowing up airplanes or buildings in the last 20 years.

KILMEADE: If they were, I'd be the first one to be outraged.

BOLLING: Absolutely.

GUILFOYLE: Why is this tolerated, Bob?

BECKEL: It's not our responsibility to defend Afghanistan against the Taliban and ad infinitum. I mean, at some point, the Afghanistan government has to say this branch of Islam is unacceptable to us.

And any Muslim country that doesn't do that, then I say, to hell with them, let us stop having economic relations with them, let's isolate them as much as possible. Anybody who practices Sharia law ought to be a rogue state and treated as such.

KILMEADE: You don't understand. The Taliban have the guns and the weapons and financing. If we leave prematurely without standing up their army, and they're about a year away, we have wasted our time. We've got to leave at the right time.

BECKEL: I'm all for that. But I'm saying, we cannot police the Muslim world because they are afraid to police themselves.

GUILFOYLE: Well, they need to stand up.

BECKEL: It's exactly what it's about.

GUILFOYLE: They need to stand up.

BECKEL: Or they agree with this stuff. That's the thing that worries me. I'm beginning to believe there are a lot more Muslims than -- I'm not sure 85 percent moderate Muslims, if they believe in this crap, and they believe in women being treated this way, then they are no different than Islamic terrorists and they all ought to be ostracized and become a rogue state.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, something will come of that.

Eric's fast seven is next, making the headlines today: Charles Barkley, Barbara Walters and Richard Dreyfuss. Stay tuned and find out why, coming up.

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BOLLING: Welcome back to the fastest seven minutes in news, Brian, cable, broadcaster, or otherwise. Three extraordinary stories, seven expeditious minutes, one ecstatic host.

First up, Charles Barkley took some heat for making some off the cuff comments about hefty ladies in Texas, but Sir Charles, a round mound of sound himself, fighting back against his critics.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHARLES BARKLEY, FORMER NBA PLAYER: Some of you people don't like my sense of humor, here's what I've got to say. Turn off your damn television, I'm not going to change. If you don't like me at the show, turn it off.

And they want me to apologize, that's not going to happen. That's not going to --

(CROSSTALK

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- that one is it for?

BARKLEY: Me joking about those big old women down in San Antonio --

(LAUGHTER)

BARKLEY: So, listen, you all can write letters to your mamas, your daddies, your uncles, I'm going to have fun on television. You know that I'm joking around. But if you all waiting on me to apologize, hell is going to freeze over.

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BOLLING: You got to love Charles.

The ladies, first, Bobby.

GUILFOYLE: Look, when he said this at first, I personally didn't take offense. Listen, I don't think it's nice to make fun of people, they are born the way they are. That's the thing.

But nevertheless, he's a very gregarious, big personality. He's always spoken his mouth. That's why he got the show.

If you actually watch the show, it's very entertaining, not "The Five," his show. You see the personality. They are egging him on.

I really don't feel honestly that he meant disrespect. He's just kind of a funny comedian kind of guy on there.

BOLLING: Dana, do you accept it?

PERINO: I am so grateful that I think he has broken the cycle of having to apologize for everything that you say.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

PERINO: The other thing that I really like about him, one, he's kind of fearless and also he's made enough money that he doesn't have to really worry about where his next paycheck is going to come from. But he also -- that show, that's what guys do in the locker room, right? It's like you are supposed to be watching like guys hanging out. They don't all sit there and go, oh, all women are so lovely. That doesn't happen in the real world.

So, you are getting a glimpse of what it's like maybe when they have - -

BOLLING: Yes, it's very refreshing that he didn't apologize, I have to say.

Bob, you are holding your tongue.

BECKEL: No, I just want to say that I can completely relate to what Charles said. He's exactly right. I get it all the time. He says he's not going to apologize. I don't apologize, just a few rare occasions.

GUILFOYLE: Three hundred times.

BECKEL: I've been to San Antonio in times, and if you ever go to certain places in San Antonio, there is a poundage issue that is significant.

BOLLING: All right. Bob, however, I remember you apologize, issue an apology once.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, are you sorry?

BECKEL: I had to apologize. Last time I'll do it.

I'm not going to -- I feel like Barkley, if you don't like to hear what I have to say, I don't want to say turn the show off for the rest of these people, all I say is screw you. I couldn't care less.

KILMEADE: So, when we got to the second floor, if anything happens, when we should apologize, I will say Bob, when Bob and Charles Barkley apologize, then I'll apologize but here's the things, round mound of rebound. This guy has had a weight problem his entire life, even when he's in the prime of his career. They're like, when are you going to lose some weight? That kept him from the Olympic team.

There are some people really sensitive about it. Ands I just think, you know, you don't have to be personally insulting to a whole city in order to be entertaining. He's smarter than that.

GUILFOYLE: Woo, Kilmeade!

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BOLLING: Let's move on this one. Barbara Walters makes the fastest seven. This is the first lady of journalism final week as a regular on air personality. Fittingly, Walter is making the media rounds. Here's Barbara offering some of her wisdom to the "SNL" weekend update crew.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARBARA WALTERS, JOURNALIST: It is fine to make people smile, but the real money is in making them cry. Nothing brings in the viewers like seeing a celebrity reduced to tears. You may think I'm really feeling bad for them, but all I'm thinking is ka-ching.

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WALTER: Fifty-three years on air, Bobby. Guys first on this one.

BECKEL: I think -- I give her a lot of credit for going around doing this. She's made a great contribution to television and she's made a great contribution, I hope everybody who ever thinks about cosmetic surgery will look at her because -- and find out who her doctors are because they are the best in the world.

BOLLING: OK, you'll be apologizing for that.

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KILMEADE: OK, what I think? I mean, it's unbelievable. She just got two interviews over the last month. If you think she's going away, no way. As soon as something else big happens she's going to be the Puerto Rico or she's going to be Cuba or she's going to be talking to Vladimir Putin. So, she's not going away. She's just leaving "The View" because it drives her crazy.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: It's hilarious.

BOLLING: Dana, what -- 53 -- what a career.

PERINO: Well, I think -- yes, I actually -- amazing career. A life that's been remarkably led so far, and I think we'll see more of her and I hope she feels really happy and satisfied. As she leaves "The View," and I don't think she's leaving television. Just as she leaves "The View," I hope when she puts the period at the end of that chapter, she feels like she did a good job.

BOLLING: K.G., she lost -- she didn't lose -- she -- four marriages. She went through four marriages.

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GUILFOYLE: What's the problem is? Again, I've only been married twice.

BOLLING: My point is, look, it's a tough --

GUILFOYLE: Why do I get these questions?

BOLLING: -- it's a tough road to be a journalist.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, all right. Here we go, thank you.

So, this -- she has had a life where she's had to make a lot of personal sacrifices to bring us the news, the stories -- I mean, great interviews that have really helped shape our culture and what we know a lot about the celebrities. They have been very open and candid because they felt comfortable, and including the world leaders that she has interviewed.

I read her book. I think it's fantastic, and, you know, I think she's a role model for not just women in journalism but to men as well.

BECKEL: The fact, one thing very quickly -- she's the perfect replacement because they have got in a lot of trouble at "Meet the Press," she would be so much better than the current "Meet the Press" --

PERINO: Oh, I don't think so.

BECKEL: I think she'd be great. She would do the Tim Russert way to do it and it would be tough. She's a tough person.

BOLLING: We need to move on.

You don't hear Hollywood celebrities saying good things about America very often, not the case with Richard Dreyfuss, talking to Huckabee over the weekend about American exceptionalism.

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RICHARD DREYFUSS, OSCAR-WINNING ACTOR: We are the most revolutionary nation that has ever been and ever will be, and we don't know enough about our Constitution and our history to know why we should be proud of it. Whenever you hear someone say American exceptionalism, you should turn to person and say if you don't prove that statement, I'm going to hit you right in the mouth, because they don't prove it and they can.

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BECKEL: That's not Richard Dreyfuss. Either that or he got bitten a lot more by that shark than he thought. I think what he said was great and all that. But he's still -- it ain't the same Richard Dreyfuss.

BOLLING: Well, I was going to start with Dana. But, Brian, you said fantastic but not so long ago this guy was a bleeding heart liberal who took some serious shots at Republicans.

BECKEL: And bleeding heart liberals feel the same way. They feel about the Constitution and exceptionalism.

KILMEADE: Yes, back to the Constitution and talking about flipping it around. I think he's really appreciative of where he's at in his life. He says, it's been a great thrill for me to be at able to do something my entire life, and I'm good at as an actor. I hope to be at that place at that age at that time, because he has a lot to be happy about, especially what about Bob, right? Wasn't that a great movie with him and Bill Murray? Underappreciated where he played the psychiatrist.

BECKEL: You're two years old when he is. What are you talking about?

KILMEADE: That's not true.

BOLLING: You want to weight in on Dreyfuss' career.

PERINO: Well, not his career but on his comment.

BOLLING: Yes.

PERINO: I give Huckabee some credit every week for -- he can find an issue where you actually can get Americans to agree on a lot of things. The Constitution is one of them. It's the most durable governing document, we should know about it, appreciate it and we should help other countries figure out how to adopt a Constitution like ours because it is definitely made for the best country.

BECKEL: Stop the stigmatization of -- go ahead. Say something. And then I'm going to say one last thing. Go ahead.

GUILFOYLE: Want to jump over here. Look, I was very impressed with him. I like his candor. I think his true life experience and age, he's really kind of come into his own and when you have a celebrity speak out like this, I think everybody benefits from it because this is a person that people admire in his acting ability. And good for him about the Constitution and I love the (INAUDIBLE).

BECKEL: He's still a liberal with all due respect to Gutfeld, who's not here.

Not all liberals think the Constitution -- we're very strong about the Constitution and American exceptionalism. Liberals, you all pick out one person who says something like some idiot somewhere --

PERINO: What?

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BOLLING: You know why you don't like him. He was a Vietnam War objector. He was anti-war. He's a new to the world of "I love America."

PERINO: Isn't that good?

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: What's wrong with you?

BOLLING: Does the White House --

GUILFOYLE: Give credit. Give credit.

BOLLING: I don't give him credit.

GUILFOYLE: You should.

BOLLING: A lot of people were dying in the Vietnam War --

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BECKEL: Because the American government lied about it.

BOLLING: We had another Vietnam War objector sitting at the table. I mean, that's part of it.

KILMEADE: What are the rules? When you're interrupted while you're reading the prompter, do you start from the beginning or you pick up where you left off?

BOLLING: I'll just start right there --

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KILMEADE: Don't make me come over there.

BOLLING: -- flat out lied to the American people. Yes, according to former Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, next on "The Five."

GUILFOYLE: Terrible.

PERINO: Not really.

GUILFOYLE: Terrible.

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PERINO: The White House denies intentionally giving Susan Rice bad information on Benghazi. But the president's former treasury secretary reveals he was once advised to shade the truth on the Sunday shows. In his new book, "Stress Test," which came out today, Timothy Geithner says, "I remember during one Roosevelt Room prep session, I objected when Dan Pfeiffer wanted me to say Social Security didn't contribute to the deficit. It did contribute. Pfeiffer said the line was a dog whistle to the left, code to the Democratic base."

Brit Hume says that he sees a pattern here.

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BRIT HUME, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: When we think about Benghazi and the supposed CIA talking points that were the -- were the core, supposedly, of what Susan Rice famously said on all five Sunday shows, it's inconceivable that the White House was not involved in that. And now we know from the email that got out a week or two ago that indeed the White House was involved. So this is the way it works.

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PERINO: And despite all the new information that we have, there's still one liberal columnist who actually still believes it. Take a look at Eleanor Clift over the weekend.

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ELEANOR CLIFT, LIBERAL COLUMNIST: But Ambassador Seams (ph) was not murdered. He died of smoke inhalation in the safe room in a CIA installation.

PAT BUCHANAN, FORMER WHITE HOUSE SPEECHWRITER: Eleanor, he was murdered in a terrorist...

CLIFT: It was an opportunistic terrorist attack.

BUCHANAN: How could you miss it?

CLIFT: ... out of that video. There were -- there were demonstrations across the world.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Yes, "The McLaughlin Group" is still on, and Brian, if they weren't sitting in their chairs, I might have fallen over because what Eleanor Clift was saying is basically that it would be if a gunshot victim -- if you said that he died of lead poisoning, if he wasn't murdered.

KILMEADE: Exactly. Or died of a sudden loud burst of noise, as opposed to the lead that entered their body. That's unbelievable. But that's Eleanor Clift. And again, it's "The McLaughlin Group."

PERINO: But repeated as if it were true. That was really bizarre to me.

KILMEADE: Well, I know. But to see Pat Buchanan's anger, and he was aghast. And he's a guy who's been around for how many years and how many administrations? That is really the frustration a lot of people feel when they're investigating this Benghazi situation.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

KILMEADE: Easy answers, insulting answers to easy questions. And when you have this pattern of Timothy Geithner coming out and saying what he's saying, he's a guy on President Obama's team, saying, "Oh, yes, Dan Pfeiffer. I'll even name the guys who are still in power. He's the one who told me to shade the truth." This just plays to the story line: an opportune time to publish this book.

BECKEL: Every White House talks to people who go on Sunday shows before they do, and try to get them to avoid things that would be potentially dangerous for them. And in this case, that's probably what...

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PERINO: There's a difference -- there's a difference from trying to get someone to not say something that isn't true and then encouraging someone to say something that is not true.

BECKEL: Well, if the question came up. But even now, we do have information. He says -- his friends say he did not say -- say that; he was not forced that way. But leaving that aside, this and Benghazi are two entirely different things.

We know that this is a political act on behalf of the White House. There is -- and we also know by the way the video did in Pakistan have an impact, but not in Benghazi. We know that to be true. There are no questions left to be answered in Benghazi. Let it go. Except you're not going to let it go because it's the platform of the Republican Party.

GUILFOYLE: That's not the call of the question, I believe.

PERINO: Exactly. Should I continue on.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I would like to, actually, because I think this is, in fact, a good point. And when you have someone like Geithner coming forward and saying this, we are not going to put on our little naive sunglasses with blinders to say that this doesn't happen. If they are going to train them and talk to them about going on the Sunday talk shows, of course, they're going to give them talking points.

BECKEL: Do you think it's only the Obama administration does that?

GUILFOYLE: I didn't say that. This is what we're specifically referring to is who's in power now, what's gone on in Benghazi as it relates to specific current events.

So I'm not going to be naive: they're going to give you an example and say, "Hey, listen, perhaps you could say it this way: yes or no." Right? "Perhaps if you're asked this question." Otherwise, they wouldn't be doing their job; they wouldn't be prepared. So I just think it's disingenuous to suggest that they didn't do that exact thing with Susan Rice and others.

PERINO: Let's get Eric's point -- take on this. So Eleanor Clift also goes on to say that Hillary Clinton shouldn't be the one that's asked any questions; it should be David Petraeus. But David Petraeus didn't repeat the -- lying about the video to the families of the fallen.

BOLLING: So two questions. There are two topics here. No. 1, Dan Pfeiffer, a senior aide to Obama, says, "Don't tell the truth. Say this, because it will create -- if you tell the truth, it will create a dog whistle to the left. So change the facts. Say this and it will create the dog whistle." And that -- that is absolutely asinine for anyone to be doing that.

BECKEL: Any connection to Benghazi?

BOLLING: The connection is that if they're willing to do it to the secretary of treasury, they probably were willing to do it with Susan Rice, which we've been -- we've...

GUILFOYLE: You can extrapolate.

BOLLING: ... now found out that, in fact, they did do the exact same thing: "Susan Rice, don't tell the truth. Don't tell what we really know. Say this, because otherwise it will look bad for President Obama's chance to get reelected."

My point is this. Susan Rice has already come out. Remember that closed-door meeting with John McCain, and John McCain came out and said, "Boy, this is good, because they basically told her to go with these talking points when, you know -- when frankly, she knew otherwise."

She's already admitted to the fact that -- that she was told to say something that they didn't believe. Yet Eleanor Clift, what -- she didn't get the memo yet? She's still trying to hold...

BECKEL: Let's wait till the exit polls. Let's wait till the exit polls. I guarantee you not 10,000 votes will change.

PERINO: I don't care about the exit polls. And I can actually understand the Geithner thing. It's like saying, "Hey, can you not try to say this point about Social Security." I don't think that that was asking Geithner to specifically lie. I can understand from a communications standpoint, you're asking the principle and the policy person how far could you go to say, "X, Y, Z." I see Benghazi as totally different.

And with that, straight ahead, Clippers owner Donald Sterling insists he's not a racist in his first TV interview since the scandal broke. We're going to hear that.

Plus that historic draft over the weekend in the NFL. That's next on "The Five."

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KILMEADE: All right. Let's talk basketball. Making his first public comments since an audio recording of his racist tirade was released, former Los Angeles -- soon to be former Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling apologized.

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DONALD STERLING, OWNER, L.A. CLIPPERS: I'm a good member who made a mistake, and I'm apologizing, and I'm asking for forgiveness. Am I entitled to one mistake? After 35 years? I mean, I love my league. I love my partner. Am I entitled to one mistake? It's a terrible mistake, and I'll never do it again.

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KILMEADE: Well, it turns out it wasn't just forgiveness Sterling was seeking, as he used the sit-down as an opportunity to take another cheap shot -- get this -- at Magic Johnson.

GUILFOYLE: Ay, yi, yi.

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STERLING: Has he done everything he can do to help minorities? I don't think so. But I'll say it, I'll say it, you know, he's great. But I just don't think he is a good example for the children of Los Angeles.

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KILMEADE: Really? Expand on that a little bit.

You're a communications expert, Dana. Is this the best way to get back in the public graces? Go after one of the most beloved sports figures in the world today?

PERINO: I think that you know what? You need to know when it's time to quit, and his time has come. I think -- I actually think they let him off easy in their interview, but he was also -- he was doing such a good job of making himself look like a jerk that maybe that's why they just let him talk.

KILMEADE: I mean, he says -- his wife has indicated he might have a little bit of dementia. "Don't let his acts reflect on me. I'm a 50- percent owner," Eric.

So do you think his wife has a leg to stand on? Because she went on to say, "Hey, you know what? If this was a wife of an owner that's established here -- let's say Mark Cuban's wife -- would you expect Mark Cuban to have to give up the Dallas Mavericks?"

BOLLING: I have no clue what's in the bylaws. Maybe he can leave it to her. Not sure.

I think what this does show, and that interview goes on. And he takes another shot at Magic Johnson. He takes two shots at him. Whether you think he was unjustly audiotaped or not, this guy is clearly delusional. He shouldn't be an NBA owner. Time to -- I agree with Dana: time to move on. Sell the team, give it to her. Do whatever you have to do. But get him out of the NBA. KILMEADE: Does Mrs. Sterling have a leg to stand on, Ms. Attorney?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, she does. She has two legs to stand on, in fact. However, there's a lot of public sentiment, including from players like LeBron James, saying, "We don't want any Sterling to ever own any part of this team, period."

OK. So you have that public sentiment against her. Then you've got votes by the other NBA owners, so I think it's going to become very complicated, but they are going to have certain legal rights that, like it or not, people are going to have to respect.

KILMEADE: Meanwhile, the Clippers are still winning. They won again. It's tied two-two, and this is the furthest they've ever gotten, Bob.

BECKEL: The guy sounds like he just got out of a day-care center. Doesn't he? I mean, he's just whining and going on. It took him -- how many days it's been. It's been two weeks almost he's kept his mouth shut. And good reason. Open up that mouth, and you listen to that, you listen to a liar. And the idea of taking on Don [SIC] Johnson is -- is just, I mean, how pathetic...

GUILFOYLE: Magic Johnson.

BECKEL: Magic Johnson.

GUILFOYLE: Don Johnson is "Miami Vice."

KILMEADE: Don Johnson makes sense.

BECKEL: Don Johnson makes sense. Magic Johnson is absolutely -- I mean, give me the shovel, stop digging. Or dig -- you know, you're not far away. Dig your own grave. Get ready for it.

GUILFOYLE: Tell it to Oprah. She's got delicious...

KILMEADE: I'll tell you what. Oprah or Magic Johnson. He feels Magic is a threat, because Magic was at the game the other night, and he would love to buy it. He's sold his portion of the Clippers. He owns the Dodgers.

Let's move on and talk about Michael Sam, because we love to talk about six round draft picks on "The Five." I watch your show all the time. So let's talk about -- let's talk about Michael Sam.

So he makes history as the first openly gay player. He kisses his boyfriend. Everybody is -- takes note of that, including one Dolphins quarterback named Don Jones. He tweeted, "OMG." When someone went back and forth with him, he said, "Were you talking about the kiss?" He wrote, "Horrible." And now he's going to go back to Twit -- Tweeter...

PERINO: Education.

KILMEADE: ... education camp. What do you think, Dana?

PERINO: I think, you know, just forgetting the Miami player. I don't really care.

I think Michael Sam it's very courageous and difficult to be the first to do anything. And I hope that he feels like he has done something that was not just courageous and brave but something that will be very rewarding later on in his life. Not just from a football career but for paving the way for other people just to be who they are.

KILMEADE: Do you want to weigh on this, Bob?

BECKEL: I do. The fact that this guy -- I agree with Dana -- in fact this guy went 256 in the draft. He was an all-American.

KILMEADE: He had a severed combine.

BECKEL: He can't -- in SEC, he had 11 and a half sacks. This guy should have been in the top, at least, 20. And you know, everybody who passed him by, I'll tell you, it's like Jackie Robinson. Everybody who passed him by, the owners and the general managers were afraid of a gay person on their team. And I say, the pox on your house.

KILMEADE: He had a terrible combine, reportedly. And they can't figure out if he's a linebacker or a lineman. Go ahead.

BOLLING: Me? So the question is I hope he was drafted because of his ability, not because of anything else that's going on. I'm not sure. Some people are saying he was pushed down. Bob thinks he was pushed down in the draft because he was being the first openly gay NFL player. And the team didn't -- teams didn't want the distraction.

I would say he was drafted because he was the first openly gay -- hold on, let me -- allow me. I don't think he would have been drafted had he not been.

BECKEL: What?

BOLLING: I don't think he would have, Bob. He had a terrible combine. His scores in the combine didn't earn him that draft pick.

KILMEADE: Right. And he had one really good year, and that's why people say he probably went where he should.

BECKEL: That's why there's too much emphasis on the combine.

KILMEADE: Now -- all I say is now play football.

GUILFOYLE: I think it shouldn't be about that. I think they tried to exploit it a little bit. I'm saying, OK, let's film him with his boyfriend, with him kissing. You know? Did they film the other 278 people? Did he feel comfortable with it? God bless.

BECKEL: There's 150 guys like him.

GUILFOYLE: Bottom line, let's hope he does really well and plays great. And he's obviously very happy, so...

PERINO: The only combine I ever heard of was on my grandpa's ranch.

KILMEADE: Oh, really?

PERINO: I never heard that. What does that mean?

KILMEADE: It means that they go try out.

BECKEL: ... the NFL is chicken.

KILMEADE: Got to go while Bob still has a job.

All right, 14 minutes now before the top of the hour. A big update on an effort to fund a movie about a serial killer, Kermit Gosnell. An important story many Hollywood studios do not want to touch. Kimberly will tell you all about it straight ahead.

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BECKEL: Welcome back to the fastest one minute and 50 seconds, and the one liberal host, and that's the reason I get only a minute and 50 seconds.

A lot of kids pick up bad habits from their parents. A new study shows smoking is one of them. The more a parent lights up in front of their child, the more likely he or she will become a smoker, as well. Findings show that for every year a parent smokes, the odds go up that their teenager will also take up the habit.

And since we each have about three seconds, go ahead and comment around the room.

BOLLING: Yes, I think you do lead by example in the home. I think if parents smoke and drink in front of their kids, their kids will be more likely to take it up.

But, you know, look, I drink in front of my son. I don't smoke. I've never smoked. I don't know what he's going to end up doing. I hope he doesn't do either, but you know, parenting, parental responsibility, teach them against it. By the way, smoking is deadly. Absolutely.

KILMEADE: Are we going in order?

PERINO: No.

KILMEADE: All right. I would say this. My dad smoke cigars.

BECKEL: I know. I'm getting out of time. Go ahead. I'm sorry, Brian. They are yelling.

KILMEADE: I thought this was "The Six" for a second. So they smoked with the windows up in my station wagon. The only ventilation we had were the floor boards were rusted out, so we got some air. And nobody smoked in my house, and we weren't in danger. And none of us have lung problems. So I don't think that study is accurate.

BECKEL: Yes, OK.

KILMEADE: A lot of times it's a deterrent. Because you know how bad it smells.

BECKEL: Kimberly, you smoke in front of your child?

GUILFOYLE: I have never smoked a cigarette, Bob. However, I adopted as my own grandmother, because I didn't have one anymore, a little old lady across the street named Alma Mae Jellison (ph). And she smoked Camel cigarettes with no filters, like ten a day, and I used to sleep over there and be with her all the time.

BECKEL: Isn't that sweet. OK.

GUILFOYLE: So I think it had the opposite effect on me.

BECKEL: Dana, there's three seconds. Go ahead.

PERINO: If -- if a parent smokes, it's probably easier to start smoking or at least experiment, because you can take them out of your mom's or your dad's bag or whatever and try it.

What I thought was interesting is the second part of this packet that you didn't have a chance to get to, which is now there's a question of whether your genes, your genetic make-up will make you more predisposed to be addicted to cigarettes. So you see what's going to happen.

BECKEL: Yes, we'll never get to the second part of my...

PERINO: It's going to become a preexisting condition, and now we're going to have to pay for everybody's bad habits.

GUILFOYLE: Bob is over time.

BECKEL: OK, not (UNINTELLIGIBLE) until I say what I want to say.

GUILFOYLE: Don't have time to say...

BECKEL: And that is that both my wife and I smoke, and neither one of our kids smoke or anywhere near it. I think it's peer pressure that really matters. And now we'll make you happy up there in the producer room. "One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Hi.

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GUILFOYLE: Time now for "One More Thing." Eric Bolling, we beginning with you.

BOLLING: OK. So did you see what happened on Saturday? Now the Eurovision had a singing contest. Now this was seen by 170 million people on Saturday, and look who won. Watch.

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(MUSIC)

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BOLLING: OK. So there was a big uproar. The Russian MP -- I believe that's like a deputy prime minister -- said that this person, Conchita Wurst, was going to be the end of the European Union, the end of Europe as we know it, because they allowed a cross dressing.

PERINO: So Conchita Wurst ended up being the best.

BOLLING: Yes, good.

KILMEADE: Was she dressed like that the whole contest?

BOLLING: Yes, and she won by -- he won by an overwhelming majority.

PERINO: Good for them.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Dana.

PERINO: OK. Earlier in the show, for my bump-out music, we played the Proclaimers, "I'm Going to Be," where it says "I have walked 500 matters," something, whatever.

The reason it matters is that today on my little FitBit here that I walk around with, I crossed the 500 mile mark. And I don't say that just to get applause, although that's very nice. But my friend gave this to me last Thanksgiving, around then. And I wore it all winter. And it really does make you get up and walk and think about "I could take the subway, but you know what? If I walk, I'm going to get to my goal."

KILMEADE: Awesome.

PERINO: A little self-competition, and I encourage everyone to do it.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, how do you really get the numbers up?

PERINO: I do walk. I used to try to.

GUILFOYLE: No, you just move your hand.

PERINO: No.

GUILFOYLE: She does. She does. OK, but I mean, she walks too.

KILMEADE: She's got a commercial on the show.

BECKEL: OK. I'm about to cross my 2000 mark, by the way, on that.

The Washington Monument, the tribute to the nation's first president, which was damaged three years ago by a 5.8 earthquake and has been closed ever since, has now reopened. And so people can go back. And they fixed all the bricks, and they've got new things up top. It's one of the great trips in Washington to go. Go see it.

GUILFOYLE: Brian.

KILMEADE: I have a little problem with the way Vladimir Putin is handling the whole -- the whole thing with Crimea and Ukraine. But I've got to salute him what he did the other night. He came out, led his festival stars to a commanding 21-4 victory, as Vladimir Putin tallied for six goals. Six goals. And five assists. This guy is phenomenal. He was fantastic.

GUILFOYLE: Why can't he be our president? Why don't we...

KILMEADE: He went for the all-time record of seven goals in a single game. Also scored by him. It was fantastic.

And what an effort the other team put up. The Sochi All-Stars.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, are we, you know, bothering you?

BECKEL: Sorry.

GUILFOYLE: This is really important, because remember, I covered this case and was in the courtroom for the trial, of the murderer, the abortionist, Dr. Kermit Gosnell. A record in crowdfunding for a docu movie. They have raised $2.13 million, making it the third highest amount for a movie and the top four in non drama without major movie stars. So good for them.

Don't forget to set your DVRs so you don't miss an episode of "The Five." We're going to see you right back here tomorrow. "Special Feport" is next.

Bob, you can answer your calls now.

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