This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 8, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld.
It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."
TANTAROS: Is the world finally waking up to the growing threat of Islamic terror? Now, we've warned a lot on "The Five" about the escalating attacks on Christians worldwide. Now with the kidnappings of nearly 300 school girls in Nigeria, our government, celebrities and the international community seem to be finally paying some attention.
First Lady Michelle Obama has joined an online campaign to find and free the missing girls.
Angelina Jolie has long been a women's rights advocate. She's now calling for their release and urging action against Boko Haram.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ANGELIA JOLIE, ACTRESS/WOMEN'S RIGHTS ADVOCATE: I'm absolutely sickened by it. If the world does nothing, then they get away with this, then we set this horrible precedent. So, I think it's extremely important that something is done immediately to try to find these girls, to try to bring them home and God forbid we can't, we have to still bring these men to justice.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TANTAROS: The Muslim terrorists of Boko Haram are waging a bloody war against Western education. One of the powerful voices to raise awareness is the Pakistani school girl who was shot in the head by the Taliban.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MALALA YOUSAFZAI, SHOT BY TALIBAN: I think we should not remain silent. This is my feeling that if we remain silent, then this will spread. This will happen more and more and more. If you want to stop it, then you have to speak.
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TANTAROS: All right. So, Bob, the president of Nigeria, Goodluck Jonathan, is a known Christian, and if you listen to what the leader of Boko Haram is saying, not only does he want to embarrass this president and start a war between the Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, he is calling to reinstate an Islamic caliphate in northern Nigeria. So, the goal seems to be the same of Boko Haram as it is for these other terror organizations.
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: This is the thing. I mean, it's nice of Angelina Jolie to say something like this, and is the world now should pay attention. Where has everybody been for the last two or three years where this has been going on? We've talked about it. I've talked about it as you know, probably more than you want to hear it.
But the thing that amazes me is not just that the Muslims keep their mouths shut because, again, I go back to this point they're cowards. Or -- but in the United States, our own president has not done enough, our State Department has not done enough.
The celebrities are now coming out why. Because these are 300 girls.
I understand that. Believe me when I say they may become the one key that finally gets the world woken up.
But why did it take David Cameron, the first leader of the West, to say something about this. Why has not a single head of the Muslim countries done anything about this? I tell you, it's because they're afraid of these people. And you do that and you allow them to do the things they do. And unless and until you're willing to get the guts up to take on some of your own people, you deserve what you're getting.
TANTAROS: Dana, we talked about this before the show went live, that Angelina Jolie has been focused on Boko Haram. But these other celebrities seem to be a little late to take this cause. Earlier this year, for instance, 50 Nigerian boys were kidnapped and slaughtered at a school, some burned alive, but we didn't really hear much about it. I mean, Greg did a monologue on it. But other than that, there was silence from Hollywood.
So, why now, like Bob says?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: You never really know what's going to capture somebody's imagination or to get something going viral. I guess you could say better late than never. But it is curious to me that 60 boys can be murdered and you don't hear anything about it but 300 girls. And I'm all for it.
But I also wonder about the 8,000 children in Syria and the question about we can't allow what Boko Haram is doing to stand when the Syrian government used chemical weapons against those children. There's video of it. We knew where they were with.
So, I think there's a question of consistency. I also believe that it goes back to something that's very key that we learned after September 11th. There have been terrorist attacks including the one that Eric witnessed at the world trade center in 1983, then you go forward to 2001, in between there lots of attacks were all around.
But the catastrophic ones, ones that are -- where you have thousands of people will killed, that hasn't happened in a while. Al Qaeda is one of the thunders of Boko Haram. I think that the global war on terror is called global for a reason. The designation of -- you're either with us or you're against us I think still should hold.
And I think the third thing is on the funding part of it. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey, in particular, have all given money to this group, and we I think we'd need to stand hopefully with our Western European partners but if not alone sanctioning those types of funds because that way you can cut off the money supply and hopefully prevent them from being able to purchase weapons like they did out of Libya.
TANTAROS: Despite the money connections these groups seem to have, al Qaeda and Islamic Maghreb, al Shabaab, all these other groups, Greg, they all have the same goal.
Yet, "The New York Times" still tries to differentiate between these groups. So, the headline today from "The New York Times," we have a full screen of it. It seems like they're trying to make al Qaeda a sympathetic group, by publishing this headline, "Abduction of girls an act not even al Qaeda can condone," as if al Qaeda is somehow a good terrorist group.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Only in "The New York Times" can they take a horrible, horrible terrorist crime and use it to soften the reputation or portrait of other terrorists.
But that's part of the bigger problem, which has always been a denial of a greater evil, which is the war on civilization. It's not a war on girls. It's a war on civilization.
The war on girls is great because it allows a lot of people who are scared of being called Islamophobia to come out and condemn this. Right now, you have this online campaign, I would rather bomb terrorists than tweet them.
I don't think terrorists go to Twitter. I think hashtags make people feel really, really good like you're doing something. It's like waving to a stranger on a boat. And then you never think about it again.
The fact is, if there's no cost to you there's almost no result.
Before something really, really awful happens, whether a market blows up, planes fly into buildings, children are burned alive, a man gets beheaded, you hear one man scream "Allah Akbar." It seems like all of a sudden our president and celebrities are hearing it now.
We've been hearing that at Ft. Hood. We've been hearing it forever, when a man was beheaded in the street. But we have always denied evil because we were scared that we would be labeled a bigot.
So now, this -- thank God, the outrage over this because it's girls has allowed people who otherwise would not do this do it now. So I will take it.
TANTAROS: Do you think it matters, Eric, that it's girls? Do you think that's what triggered this? Because we talked about boys being murdered before. As Greg said, adults have been murdered, over 20,000 terrorist deaths last year alone.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yes, I think that has something to do with it.
And believe it or not, people are saying that #bringourgirlsback has to do it as well.
I find it striking. We're going to get into why the State Department under Hillary Clinton didn't label these people as a foreign terrorist -- a foreign terrorist organization in the next block. But I find it interesting. President Obama was at a fund-raiser last night. And he said, I wish I had something I could do. I wish I could just do something.
Well, he could. He can. I mean, there are enough signs. These people bombed a U.N. headquarters in Nigeria. Their name is Western education is sinful. They are a terrorist organization.
GUTFELD: Very vague.
BOLLING: Yes. They literally said, we're done with Nigeria now.
Let's turn our focus to the West, to America and Great Britain.
So, they clearly could do something. I mean, we've droned people probably for less than that. So, President Obama could do something if he chooses to. My question is, why is he saying it? Just what? Is there a defense of that?
BECKEL: No, it's not a defense of it. I was the first one as the lone liberal in this crowd to say that I thought Obama hadn't done enough.
We have sent a military contingency in there. There's probably a lot more going on than we know.
But this gets to the point -- I don't even know what a hashtag means.
It sounds like food. I don't care what had it is.
BECKEL: They probably got these girls around and that's probably one reason for it. But it still gets back -- we tried to call the Egyptian embassy and the Saudi embassy for a comment on this a couple of days ago, and we have not heard back from them. Why it is that we have presumably allies like Saudi Arabia and we continue to allow them who fund so much of this radicalism to keep it away from their backyard.
There's a point in time where humanity has got to say, stop being afraid. It's not just a question of what's politically correct. There's nothing politically correct about taking 300 girls. I want to know on my side where NOW is, the women's groups are in this thing.
But even before that, as Andrea pointed out, this has been going on.
We talked about this --
BOLLING: Let's stay on the original thing. You cut me off, said hold on hold on and turned it into something else. Where's President Obama on this?
BECKEL: I think I said when you said that that I thought I've been saying for a long time I thought they've been very -- much too quiet.
TANTAROS: You have said that. You've said the administration should say more.
But it's not even that they should say more. What they've said and what they've done, their actions, like backing the Muslim Brotherhood and allowing them to come to power, Greg, has been siding with the enemy and people who hate us and have the shared goal of defeating the West.
GUTFELD: I seem to remember somebody yesterday saying we shouldn't be bombing the terrorists because they'll be replaced, did you say that yesterday, Eric?
GUTFELD: Didn't you say we shouldn't bomb them?
BOLLING: No, no, no. I said there's two different strategies. Do you try to contain or eradicate? One of them is cutting off the head of the snake. But there will be another one. And you said yes but -- or Bob said you continue to do that eventually they'll stop re-growing.
BOLLING: However, I don't think I've ever indicated that I say don't kill terrorists ever.
GUTFELD: I though. Well, maybe I misheard yesterday.
Look, I hear they're for sale. Why don't we buy them? If this guy claims the girls are for sale, why don't we buy them and then we kill them after we buy them. Buy the terrorists -- it's not the girls.
GUTFELD: But why -- there has to be a way. If this guy is so intent on selling these poor girls, there has to be a way to connect with them and purchase them and then when you get the girls, kill them.
My pessimism is that the girls are not around.
BECKEL: Well, you're probably right about that. I think it's a little bit of a stretch to suggest that Obama was responsible for the Muslim Brotherhood. That was millions of people in the square.
TANTAROS: Then who was?
BECKEL: Well, it was --
TANTAROS: He arranged for them to attend a speech in Cairo.
BECKEL: Mubarak and the people who are doing the slaughtering to people because they wouldn't go along --
TANTAROS: And he told Mubarak to step aside.
BECKEL: Look, we can rehash this all we want, hashtag again, about the Obama administration.
BECKEL: It's not just us. You know who else hasn't spoken up yet?
The American people haven't spoken very much. I think everybody has got a responsibility to say to their ministers who -- Christian churches here are watching this happen. They're Christians.
Has anybody heard a major Christian figure in this country or any churches say anything about it? No. And I get back to this. The reason they're afraid of it is because -- it's not just political correctness.
They think they're going to get a fatwa.
If I don't have a fatwa now, I probably should get one. Give me one to me, I could give it. But --
TANTAROS: Dana, when I think about probably there's a lot going on -- and I saw nod, that we don't know about, I'm OK with that. I don't like to telegraph to the world every single tactic. I don't think the public needs to know. But to Bob's point, whose fault is it that the public maybe isn't as educated on radical Islam? Is it the media's fault, is it the administration's fault?
I mean, your former boss made it a mission to defeat them. Whose fault is it? Should we be more informed when it comes to the history?
PERINO: Well, I think what the hope is, is that citizens in America can go about their lives and raising their families and go into their jobs and to be able to trust their government is doing as much as it can to protect them.
But then we have to have a discussion and decision about what the foreign policy is and do we have national interests that are compelling enough to have us do something in that region. I think something we could do that we hopefully are doing but we could actually increase the budget in our intelligence area for counter intelligence so that you could actually have under cover agents in that region that would be able to maybe do what Greg is suggesting, facilitate, OK, we'll buy them type of thing.
And then there's a longer -- that's a short-term strategy. The longer term one is what Boko Haram is against, which is education. That's much longer thing. Right now, we have to focus on the short term. And in my opinion, you have to take the fight to them or else it will come to you.
BECKEL: I agree with what you say.
But answer me, but maybe you can't answer this question. But the people who were so strong on the war on terror, I talked specifically about Dick Cheney. Has Dick Cheney said one thing about this? One single thing
PERINO: Let's be honest. If Dick Cheney said one thing, would you ridicule him for whatever he'd say?
BOLLING: Hold that thought, Bob. Hold that thought.
TANTAROS: We've got to go.
BOLLING: Because in the B-block, we're going to talk about someone who could have designated them a foreign terrorist organization. And then, the Patriot Act would have come into play.
GUTFELD: I feel really bad for Harry Reid because how can he link Boko Haram to the Koch brothers.
TANTAROS: Or Mitt Romney.
PERINO: Give him 24 hours.
TANTAROS: It's going to be quite --
BECKEL: Well, here's another one. I mean, Harry Reid, why does the -
TANTAROS: We also destabilized -- we destabilized Libya as well.
Maybe our policy should be stop taking out the strong leaders that al Qaeda
TANTAROS: You know we wouldn't have --
BECKEL: It was a guy named Gadhafi that we've been trying to get rid of for a long time. It still gets back to this -- people are so sensitive about Muslims in this country and the world. Again, I get back to --
TANTAROS: Do the Oscar music.
BOLLING: Just remember, in the B-block.
TANTAROS: Coming up -- yes, here we go -- when Hillary Clinton was at the State Department, she fought to keep Boko Haram off the terror list.
But now, she's suddenly changing her tune on the group. Eric will fill us in, up next.
BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.
Hillary Clinton sounded pretty tough yesterday, specifically tough on the Muslim extremist group Boko Haram. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: The seizure of these young women by this radical extremist group Boko Haram is abominable, it's criminal, it's an act of terrorist, and it really merits the fullest response possible first and foremost from the government of Nigeria.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: But this should cause you to pause. Turns out when she was secretary of state, the State Department refused to classify Boko Haram a foreign terrorist organization. Had they done so, we would have a two-year jump going after these terrorists as assets would be available that were not available because the Clinton State Department refused the FTO distinction, Bob.
I noticed that she used the word "terrorist" yesterday.
BECKEL: Yes. And you may or may not recall, but when this happened before, I said that I thought it was crazy not to declare them a terrorist organization, as with all of these people. You know, the United States, what is it that we could --
BOLLING: Do me a favor. Just focus in on Hillary Clinton. That's what the segment is about. Everyone is worried about whether Monica Lewinsky mentioned her in her "Vanity Fair" article or not. Hillary Clinton dropped the ball by not calling this group a terrorist organization and opening up a lot more asset.
BECKEL: The answer to your question is yes if I could follow it up, I'd say not just -- I think all of us, that we go back through the history
-- the State Departments are always cautious about things like this. We have influence that we could use here. If people are afraid to talk out against the Muslims, when you use that line "you're for us or against us," if you're not with us on this fight against this punk and his people over there, then I think we start using economic sanctions.
I said yesterday, if Brunei decides they want to --
BOLLING: Let's stay with Hillary for a second, Bob. I know you hate when I cut you off. Can we just focus -- I mean, the discussion is --
BECKEL: How much more do you want me to say?
BOLLING: You said she dropped the ball.
Dana, Congressman Patrick Meehan who was on the subcommittee on counterterrorism begged the State Department to call that a foreign terrorist organization.
PERINO: So, there was push back. And the -- some former administration officials from the Obama administration are trying to explain it for a couple of reasons.
One they were saying that they worried it would -- if they designated them a terrorist organization, that that would increase recruitment. That it would increase the money flowing to them from other groups that were terrorist organizations because maybe they it think they all work in a pack. I'm willing to accept that maybe they thought that at the time and perhaps they have changed their mind now.
But she will have to own these decisions and not just at speeches where she gets paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to impart her thoughts. But she's going to have to answer some questions from the media at some point and a lot of these decisions will have to be picked apart because as we pointed out a couple of weeks ago, people -- remember on "Morning Joe," they couldn't think of an accomplishment to identify the State Department? There were lots of decisions, though. She's going to have to answer them sooner or later.
BOLLING: Greg, what about it? Dropped the ball?
GUTFELD: Yes. I mean, if the idea is you don't want to call a terrorist a terrorist because it might elevate their stature, so what you're doing is you're putting feelings before actual action. Part of this
-- the problem with dealing with Islamic radicalism is an avoidance of identification which then prevents confrontation. So, when you say, why aren't more people coming out against radical Islam -- a lot of it is because those people are afraid of being labeled a bigot. You will be called an Islamophobic.
And this all comes down to this cowardice, a refusal to call evil what it is, evil. Ft. Hood was what? Was that -- that was called workplace violence? Then we have other terror that's called man-caused disaster.
Islam has built -- radical Islam has built an inventory of evil. It is an Amazon of atrocity, but we can't call it what it is because we're scared to be called a bigot.
BOLLING: Am I mistaken? Did we at one point, the Obama administration, push back on classifying groups as radical Islamic extremists? Do I remember that -- they wanted us to stop using those terms together, it was inciteful (ph)?
TANTAROS: That's right. And it was Napolitano at Department of Homeland Security who put out the memo that talk about the manmade disasters and talk about how Republicans and conservatives were domestic terrorists.
So, let's get back to Hillary Clinton. I would like and I think the questions for Hillary Clinton should shift to if she decides to run her role in an administration that's done a number of things and asks whether or not she agrees with these things.
For example, would she have had the Muslim Brotherhood attend the White House like President Obama has done? Yes or no? Would she have ousted Hosni Mubarak from Egypt and allow the Muslim Brotherhood to rise to power? Yes or no? Would she have ousted Gadhafi which possibly led to a destabilized Libya, which led to the attacks in our consulate in Benghazi?
And also, Mrs. Clinton, do you support your husband's decision to give the Pakistanis a nuke? Remember that decision? What could go wrong?
She needs to be asked these questions, not about Monica Lewinsky, about her role in an administration that has been apologizing and avoiding the war we are in with radical Islam. Deliberately.
BECKEL: You simply cannot lay this all off on Hillary Clinton. There are so many other people who are responsible.
TANTAROS: She was the secretary of state.
BECKEL: I'm telling you -- you know what it is? Greg's partially right about this. It's political incorrect.
Is it politically incorrect to upset Muslims? Then, to hell with them.
BOLLING: All right.
BECKEL: Then upset them as far as I'm concerned. If you want to call
-- I'd be happy to call Islamophobic if you want me to.
BOLLING: The thing is, within weeks of John Kerry becoming secretary of state, that group was designated a foreign terrorist organization. You have to say, what changed? Besides (INAUDIBLE)
GUTFELD: Yes. If Hillary wants to be president, she just has to make sure that Candy Crowley is moderating the debate.
BOLLING: Very good.
All right. Quick round on this one. Mrs. Clinton told Robin Roberts regarding a Trey Gowdy chaired Benghazi hearing, nothing to see here, after all that was so long ago, dude. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ROBIN ROBERTS, ABC NEWS: Are you satisfied with the answers and are you content with what you know what happened?
CLINTON: Absolutely. I mean, of course there are a lot of reasons why, despite all of the hearings, all of the information that's been provided, some choose not to be satisfied and choose to continue to move forward. That's their choice, and I do not believe there is any reason for it to continue in this way.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: All right. Quickly around, as O'Reilly would say, Ands --
TANTAROS: What a weak answer. Her response should have been, I'm not going to stop because I'm not satisfied because my personal friend, Ambassador Christopher Stevens, was killed on my watch and I want to know why. I want to know why the direct cables that he sent me requesting additional security were ignored. If that really was her friend, her response should have been very different.
BECKEL: I want to know why the Republicans continue to keep this thing going. We've admitted it. I've said it. It was a political act.
There's not much more to learn. There's 300 little girls out there being held captivity and we're worried about Benghazi.
I'll say what I think. I'll say it again. The Republicans are using four dead bodies for political purposes.
TANTAROS: Why wasn't she interviewed for the ARB report that Jay Carney loves to point to and every Democrat is being completely --
BECKEL: We've had 21 Republican hearings on this thing. I can't help to --
TANTAROS: He was deliberately left out.
BOLLING: We're moving here, you guys.
Go ahead, Dana.
PERINO: Well, I think her answer was cautious and for good reason, because there are some questions that haven't been answered. The stand- down order, who actually pushed the video and why -- now that we know that was not a true story, she in particular repeated it for another week. And the fact that the document that was released two weeks ago was not released in the full documents.
You cannot uncover documents that are not given to you, which is why they have the committee. So, therefore, I think she's cautious because she doesn't know what else is out there. Or maybe she does.
GUTFELD: Yes. Hillary's role as secretary of state is far more disturbing than Monica's role with her husband. I do believe -- I think that -- everybody suddenly is OK with the fact that they manipulated the talking points for a political reason and everybody is OK, that means that if you're not OK with it, you're not cool.
BECKEL: Are you OK with spending millions of dollars in the United States Congress' time going through an issue they've been over and over again? It's all politics. What they're doing the Republicans is playing politics with U.S. taxpayers' money on something that we know what happened. It was bad. It was wrong.
BECKEL: You think it's worthwhile having a select committee?
GUTFELD: I'm going to answer your question, Bob. It does bug me when the president of the United States politicized a tragedy to win an election.
BECKEL: OK. I don't think -- if you think these Republicans aren't doing this about 2014 you're kidding yourselves. These punks wouldn't do this unless --
TANTAROS: They thought --
TANTAROS: They thought it enough to cover it up that it would hurt his reelection chances. So, it slightly helped.
BECKEL: And who is the one who said -- it helped his reelection. It didn't make his reelection. But does that make it any better that they're doing this to play for 2014?
TANTAROS: There are four dead Americans, Bob.
BECKEL: They're a bunch of right wing yahoos.
BOLLING: We need to go, but, Bob, you know what I did? A piece of paper I put Hillary Clinton on top and I wrote on the left, you know, some of these things, Boko Haram, Benghazi, reset Russia, Iran sanctions.
On the right, I'm still looking for something -- maybe in the break you can help me fill it in.
BECKEL: I'd be happy to do that.
BOLLING: Coming up, most workers would be fired on the spot if they were caught watching porn in the office -- but not if they work for the Obama administration. Greg has the details, coming up next.
GUTFELD: An EPA employee downloaded 7,000 porn files onto his government computer. Even by Bob's count that's a lot. He was even watching the stuff when an agent came to see him. I hope for his sake he didn't shake hands.
I wonder if this individual -- I wonder if this individual spent four hours on a site called sadism is beautiful.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This individual spent four consecutive hours on a site called sadism is beautiful.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: I got that answer.
Since 2010 the worker spent six hours a day on the stuff. That's
5,000 hours. With that commitment he could have earned a pilot's license or learned Portuguese. Instead he chose self-gratification, immediately qualifying him for a job in Hollywood.
But it says not something just about government but pornography. The vast time suck of compulsive consumption nationwide is probably far worse than we think.
Still, this guy, who makes 120 grand per year, still has his job. How can that be? Especially given the latest on the sequester. Remember when we were told that that would cost us zillions of jobs? So far only one pink slip. He should have watched porn.
Look on the bright side. If a bureaucrat watches pornography, that's one less clown meddling in your life. Better they screw themselves than us.
The other issue, though, is hysteria. Driven by the Bonnie and Clyde of politics, the White House and its harem media, who fashioned the sequester into a misery apocalypse.
Like so many things the government uses to stoke fear, it rarely pans out. It's like watching porn. It's all sound and fury, all in the service of trickery. At least with porn the people are better looking.
So Dana, six hours of porn a day. That's twice your habit.
PERINO: I really can't fathom it. He must have been -- must have
had a real problem.
GUTFELD: When is it not a problem?
BECKEL: That's an insightful answer for you.
PERINO: I'm just too embarrassed. Can you imagine being the supervisor and finding out, hey, your employee spent six hours of porn.
BECKEL: Have you ever watched porn on the Internet at all?
BECKEL: No, never?
GUTFELD: We're never going to be able to do this story again, Bob.
PERINO: Never. Come on!
GUTFELD: Eric -- Eric, would this ever happen in a private position?
BOLLING: Maybe. I mean, no one else knew he was on porn sites six hours -- that's almost the whole day, right? You know, the thing is, if someone were drinking and they were drunk six hours a day, someone would report them and say this guy has got a problem.
BOLLING: No one -- maybe that's...
GUTFELD: There's no porn breath.
BOLLING: No porn breath. But maybe --
BECKEL: Well, be careful with that.
BOLLING: Maybe people think watching six hours of porn is a problem.
PERINO: I want to see his performance review, and I want to find out if he got any bonuses.
GUTFELD: I believe he did.
TANTAROS: He actually got a raise.
TANTAROS: I did see the -- I read one of the stories, Greg. Look, in his performance review, it said he was hard at work.
BOLLING: Oh, my God.
TANTAROS: Is there a cymbal crashing anywhere? Can you imagine being the staffer for Darrell Issa or, Dana, his supervisor, or the I.T. guy to check the computer. They're probably like, "I volunteer to take his computer and brief you, Congressman Issa, for this hearing on all of the sites that he went to.
BECKEL: I think Issa may have done this personally, just to be sure he's on top of it -- one of his hearings, anyway.
But you know, this is absolutely absurd, ridiculous. The guy should be gone. But I don't think it's a reflection on everybody who works for the government who does this. In private enterprise this has been a problem across the board.
GUTFELD: I think it's across the board nationwide.
BECKEL: It is -- I found out, for example, here that you're not allowed to look at any of this stuff after I put a couple of porn sites for fun on some of our people's computers. And I found out that that is...
TANTAROS: Bob, you just admitted to looking at it here. Like...
BECKEL: I'm not afraid to admit that I once in a while -- if anybody tells me except Dana, who I believe hasn't looked at porn on a -- never mind.
PERINO: Can I make a government point, though? Because it was just two months ago when the EPA employee was finally fired and actually got a fine. And he might have even pled out for some jail time, because he was the one who pretended he was in the CIA and he never went to work and he got like a million dollars over ten years?
I actually think that this is a bigger government problem, not just about porn. About employees that don't have to do anything.
TANTAROS: I think that, when every EPA worker, every government worker walks in a door, they should be handed a porn video so that they're doing that instead of passing regulations and ruining our lives. Why not?
BECKEL: There should -- one thing we don't talk about here is how many kids have access to...
TANTAROS: All day long, Eric. I can keep going.
BECKEL: Very good. The number of teenagers and others who look at this stuff daily on the Internet, and I don't know what the rules or the regulations are, but -- and I'm being very serious about this.
GUTFELD: I agree with you.
BECKEL: I believe the idea that you allow these sites to go on, and anybody can get access with them is wrong.
PERINO: How do you stop it?
BECKEL: And if there's any way -- well, is there a way you can stop a certain URL from being...
GUTFELD: You can -- we're wrapping up, but you can actually get
something for your computer that blocks this stuff.
But it is amazing. We live in a time where it's like a water faucet of pornography is coming into your house. It's a new transformation of -- it's transforming the way we even interpret women. It's changing teenagers. It's -- but what can you do?
BECKEL: Well, then every parent out there ought to -- something like that, you ought to get something like that on the computers.
PERINO: You just go off the grid and, you know, live off the land.
GUTFELD: There you go. That's a bit strange.
OK. Next on "The Five," put that diet on hold. Dana has some good news for those of us who like to eat fattening foods. Stay tuned.
PERINO: All right. Is everything we've been told about eating fat to date wrong?
A recent study showed there's no good evidence that saturated fats found in foods like butter, cheese or red meat cause heart disease. So what should we believe and should we just eat what we want?
Luckily we have food to eat and we have a resident expert, the former editor of "Men's Health." Greg...
GUTFELD: ... when we were told just to eat, like, non-fat crackers and low-fat foods, and we did that for 20 years, has that led to the obesity problem America has today?
GUTFELD: Well, carbohydrates. Carbohydrates make you fat. And Dr.
Atkins knew, and a lot of people knew, that when you -- when you were morbidly obese, a high-protein diet would help you lose weight fast.
Bacon you have here. Bacon is so good that even pigs eat it. The scariest transformation in the world of facts is that when science chose greed over creed. They realized they could make money by doing research and creating data that was beneficial to bureaucrats. So then they could make laws about banning saturated fats. It works in nutrition, education, health care.
We corrupted science, which is why now, especially even with climate change and things like that, you have to challenge all dogma because science is never settled. It's never settled. It's been poisoned by politics and ideological crusaders. But you've got to keep fighting it.
Every space of your lives is hijacked by lies.
PERINO: Nina T. Schultz wrote -- I like that. Nina T. Schultz wrote an article in the "Wall Street Journal's" review about this. And she said that just over the years, Eric, that you saw all of this research money basically funneled into one guy, whose name was Ansel Benjamin Keys.
He was a scientist who said that eating saturated fat would raise your cholesterol and causing heart attacks. Which at the time, Americans were seeing an increase in heart disease, have we just ended up making the problem worse? The food industry is a huge business. They all went in that direction.
BOLLING: You're talking to a guy who doesn't eat red meat for a ton of those reasons. Look, I stopped eating red meat about 20 years ago, and I just felt better. That's all there is to it. I just felt better, so I stayed with it.
I don't eat any pork either. Now Greg, the pork industry says it's the other white meat. Does that mean I can eat it? But when you buy it, it's red. So...
GUTFELD: It's -- you know, I don't see color when I eat meat.
PERINO: Is that why they call it the other white meat? Is because they didn't want to be red meat and they could...
BOLLING: Technically, I haven't had a bite of bacon for 20 years, because I thought it was red.
GUTFELD: You've got to eat that, Eric. It's going to change your life. It's nirvana in grease.
BECKEL: You're going to feel a lot better when you eat that.
PERINO: And I'd say I have a challenge with Eric. We are working on him. By July 1 we hope that we're going to get him to eat a cheeseburger, which he desperately wants.
GUTFELD: You've got to do it.
PERINO: Bob, you get frustrated with health ADVICE and nutrition advice, because it seems like every week we're telling you to do something different.
BECKEL: Yes. Which I never pay any attention to. But the fact that this all started -- think about it. This is an entire dietary change for the United States because of one guy who puts together a survey, which is flawed, by the way, and I think one of the things he said was, well, look at what happens in the Mediterranean, the great Mediterranean diet. Right?
They don't eat meat. Well, he took this thing during Lent.
I mean, it's ridiculous. And I will say this to all the cattlemen out there who have been bludgeoned by this stuff. Somebody owes them an apology. I'm going to eat every one of these cheeseburgers here. I have had open heart surgery. It wasn't anything to do with that. It had everything to do with using steroids.
BOLLING: After he did that study, he went on to climate change.
PERINO: Yes, right.
BOLLING: I'm kidding.
TANTAROS: The great Mediterranean diet.
PERINO: Andrea, you've seen this in Washington and how all forces, then all the agencies start to work on something. So it's USDA, Health and Human Services, patent offices, everything. Do you think that maybe it's time that Washington just slowed down?
TANTAROS: Yes. Weren't we just talking about them watching six hours of pornography in the last block? I mean, we're really trusting Washington bureaucrats to dictate our diets?
I'm still thinking about Greg telling me that my life has been hijacked by lies. But I want to ask you, every women's magazine, it seems to contradict itself. It's like one -- one day there's an article that red meat is good for you. The next day it's I shouldn't eat chicken, because there's too many hormones in the chicken.
So I just eat everything in moderation. Bob says the Mediterranean diet. It seems to work for me. Just space it all out. But no processed foods. Cut those out.
GUTFELD: Health editors are the least healthiest people on the planet. Like the government, they're more harmful than any fast food. And they always have a prescription without ever a diagnosis. They present a problem -- or they present the solutions in search of a problem. And in this case, this is the problem.
BECKEL: I say the second healthiest next to doctors. Have you noticed how many doctors look like they're ready to drop off?
PERINO: We've got to run. We've got to run.
BECKEL: Can we eat now?
PERINO: Yes, you can eat now.
All right. Next on "The Five," there's a lot of talk about the impact violent video games or TV shows can have on kids. But what about all those violent videos that go viral on sites like YouTube? We're going to debate that coming up.
BECKEL: Excuse me, I'm trying to finish my hamburger here.
The era of online fame has created a dangerous byproduct. Videos of public fights rack up millions of viewers, are quite disturbing. Some psychologists think site likes YouTube are teaching kids to be violent.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You kicked me in the stomach again! It don't matter, stupid (EXPLETIVE DELETED)!
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BECKEL: What do you think? Is this something that you think is really impacting Eric on kids who watch these things?
BOLLING: I do. You see a lot of these kids, they're videotaping all the arguments, hoping it turns into a fight. And the kids who are kind of fighting see the camera and go, let's make this look good. And it probably does.
But, you know, the question is, do you stop it? I mean, right now everyone has got a video camera on their telephone. And we're getting some videos of things that we wouldn't have seen in the past. Some things that are kind of enlightening: politicians doing stuff that they -- we wouldn't have known about in earlier years.
So I don't think you stifle it. I think you just teach your kid, like, this lives on forever. Those kids will be on that video for eternity now, and it will follow them for the rest of their lives.
BOLLING: Dana, what do you think?
PERINO: I think that kids are copycats. Right. And then as to Greg's book, "Not Cool," when you try to fit in, for some reason because this is now viral and you can spread it so much more quickly and people can see it, then they try to be cool and they think this is the way to be cool.
I can't even watch them. It makes me really upset.
BECKEL: Greg, you had...
GUTFELD: "I can't watch it," as we keep showing it over and over again.
PERINO: I haven't looked at it.
GUTFELD: Did you know in second grade Bobby Kennel (ph) hit me over the head with a lunch pail? You don't know it, because it was in 1970 and not 2014. That's the difference.
It's not that there's more violence. It's just that we have -- we have this thing in our hand that we can film. I think, Eric, I think it's good it's there, but it's not just kids. Adults are doing it. It's called the Bravo Channel. If you turn on Bravo, all it is is people throwing wine on each other. It's like, "Hey, we're friends." And then you say, "What happened last night?" She throws wine in her face.
BECKEL: Do you agree with the copycat argument?
TANTAROS: I think it depends on what it is. I actually agree with Greg on this one. I think that this kind of behavior has been happening before the Internet came along. I don't think it's making us more violent, though. I just think kids are going to be kids. It just happens to be documented in this way.
Now, if you're looking for somebody to partner up with like lonely kids to find friends online, you know, kids who have destructive thoughts, the Internet has made that easier. I think you had to work a little harder if you wanted to find somebody more like-minded at school, because it was hard to express how you really were feeling inside. The Internet makes that easier, which is more dangerous. But I don't think it's making us more violent necessarily.
BECKEL: Well, my take on it is that I think that kids who are prone to violence will look at this stuff and -- over and over again. Kids who probably are not prone to violence probably get -- look at it, and they're just outraged by it.
But I may be wrong. Maybe it is changing people. I don't think so.
I think kids look out for stuff like that.
BOLLING: Quick thought: that knockout game, that stupid knockout game...
BECKEL: Yes, yes, yes.
BOLLING: ... probably wouldn't have continued on if people weren't videotaping it.
BECKEL: Well, you may be right. "One More Thing" is up next. I can finish my burger. Thank you.
TANTAROS: It's time for "One More Thing," and I will kick it off.
Charles Barkley has himself in a little bit of hot trouble with the women of San Antonio when he made this remark the other day, giving sports commentary.
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CHARLES BARKLEY, NBA HALL OF FAMER: Big old women down there. That's a gold mine for Weight Watchers. And Victoria definitely a secret. They can't wear no Victoria's Secret down there. There's no secret.
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TANTAROS: Note to Charles: I wouldn't go back to San Antonio anytime soon. And if you're trying to drum up business for Weight Watchers, I think you could have found a better way to do it -- Dana.
PERINO: Following that, if you love WWE, you are going to want to be in Washington, D.C., this Saturday, because John Cena -- he's a superstar in WWE and the WWE Divas are going to be at the Susan G. Komen global race
for the cure. It's on Saturday in Washington at 8 a.m.
It's the 25th anniversary. They raise a lot of money for the uninsured and under-insured to fund research programs in that national capital area. It's going to be a great event, a great cause. And so you should sign up at Komen.org and then you can maybe see those folks.
TANTAROS: Very cool. Bob?
BECKEL: Well, I'm a big fan of Nancy Pelosi's. Nobody else around the table is. But Nancy said something the other night, and my friend you're a great legislator, but you've got to be careful saying things like this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I wanted to ask you about that report that came out that the China's economy is going to pass the size of the United States and become the economic power. Should Americans be concerned?
REP. NANCY PELOSI (D), CALIFORNIA: I think Americans can be very confident in the strength of our economy. Enjoy the evening.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you so much.
PELOSI: Lighten up.
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BECKEL: Here's the problem, lightening up about the Chinese moving towards No. 1 in the world economy is something not to lighten up about, Nancy.
TANTAROS: I agree with you Bob -- Greg.
GUTFELD: Well, a place called Niagara's Honeymoon Suites has made a dream of mine come true. Let's see what they sent Dana here.
This is a framed picture of Jasper made of chocolate. As you know, my dream has always been to eat a dog, much like our president of the United States, and I always wanted to eat Jasper. That's good.
PERINO: Now you put your paws all over it, nobody else will want to eat it.
BECKEL: I'll eat it.
GUTFELD: There you go.
TANTAROS: Bob, why don't you finish your burger?
BECKEL: Because I want to eat -- I had the same feeling about the Jasper thing.
TANTAROS: All right.
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GUTFELD: It's delightful.
BOLLING: Look, I'm Catholic; it was a church study? This is a story that is absolutely ridiculous.
On Harvard campus on Monday night the Satanic Temple will hold a satanic black mass, believe it or not on the Harvard campus. And the group says the black mass reenactment representers of the satanic temple will provide narration on the academic and historical aspects of a Satanic mass.
And if that's what is passing for higher education at Harvard, it's time to rethink.
GUTFELD: The chocolate dog is interesting.
BOLLING: It's bad.
GUTFELD: It's not bad. It's just...
PERINO: It's different.
GUTFELD: It's different. I'm not a chocolate. I'm not a fan of the chocolate rabbit.
PERINO: It's not a chocolate bunny.
TANTAROS: All right. That's it for us here at The Five. Be sure to set your DVRs so you don't miss an episode. We'll see you right back here tomorrow.
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