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End to Greg Gutfeld's Benghazi quest: Who pushed the video?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 30, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I told them it was talcum powder. So, don't worry.

Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, and she snowboards on a Frito, it's Dana Perino.

This is "The Five."

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GUTFELD: For a year and a half, some idiot kept screaming one question:

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GUTFELD: Ask yourself, who pushed the video?

GUTFELD: Who pushed the video?

GUTFELD: I don't think anybody asked who push the video.

GUTFELD: Who pushed the video?

GUTFELD: It's very simple, who pushed the video?

GUTFELD: Who pushed the video?

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GUTFELD: Shut up already! It's like he's nuts or something.

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GUTFELD: The real scandal is, who pushed the damn video?

GUTFELD: It's the only question that needs to be answered is who pushed the video?

GUTFELD: Just answer this, who pushed the damn video?

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GUTFELD: I hope he's done.

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GUTFELD: Who pushed the video? I had to work that in there.

GUTFELD: Who pushed the video?

GUTFELD: One question kept coming up, who pushed the video?

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GUTFELD: Aahh! Which leads back to: Who said blame the video?

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GUTFELD: All you've got to ask is one question: who pushed the video?

GUTFELD: Who pushed the video?

GUTFELD: Who pushed the video? Come on!

GUTFELD: They still haven't said who pushed the video, Bob.

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GUTFELD: Even I'm sick of it. But finally, we have an answer.

New email suggests White House aide Ben Rhodes was involved in prepping Susan Rice for her video explanation for Benghazi.

The White House had previously denied involvement. But now, we see the role in the election spin regarding the attack. So the answer to who pushed the video is the committee to reelect President Obama and that committee includes the White House and its harem of hacks among the docile media. For them, getting those Americans out was less important than getting their guy in.

See, no one really knew the video caused Benghazi, but everyone knew it would help the president if a video was to blame rather than neglect. It's why some guy went to jail, why terrorists roamed free and President Obama won.

It's not Watergate, of course. To the media, this doesn't even merit a gate. Christie has a bridge-gate. But no Benghazi-gate. In fact, there's no IRS-gate. There's no DOJ-gate. There's no Fast and Furious-gate.

Obama's White House is a gated community. Its guards are the media. And anyone who asks question is mocked.

Can you blame the White House for the cover-up? You can, but the media won't care, because they covered up the cover-up. And now, they will cover up the cover-up of a cover-up.

This isn't just Benghazi-gate, it's media- gate. They are so good at concealing they could put Revlon out of business.

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GUTFELD: So, let's go around the horn on these new revelations on these emails. I know the White House is saying, hey, this is stuff we knew all along and we were just going by the information we knew. But, Dana, what do you make of this bombshell?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: All of us are going to have to wait in the reports in the morning when serious journalists are able --

GUTFELD: How dare you?

PERINO: So they can pull together video, so they can pull together the entire timeline because it wasn't just a suggestion that there's not a big deal, they are actually outright demonstrable evidence of contradictions of things that even the White House is saying itself in months before.

One of them in particular is the suggestion that Ben Rhodes came up with this on his own, and then he wasn't even talking about Benghazi but later in the email it's repeated and that subject line, "Benghazi." So I don't know if they think that we're really that stupid.

GUTFELD: They do.

PERINO: I guess they do.

And you do have to wonder, where is the White House press corps and what have you done with them? The briefing did get a little more heated today and I think rightly so, because when you go to the White House podium, you need to have better opposition research than your opponent.

GUTFELD: Right. We're going to show that.

PERINO: If you don't have it, then you are going to end up with another situation of just -- you can understand why people have such little trust in government when they can't get even answer some basic questions and then contradict themselves and then call you a liar for pointing out the contradiction.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

Eric, it's like all roads lead to Rhodes.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: To a Rhodes, one of the Rhodes.

Look, it's interesting now, you know, as you pointed out in the green room, Greg, "USA Today" has it above the fold. Jonathan Karl, ABC, asking the questions that people were making fun of FOX about asking the same exact question over and over and over again. And they start with the Media Matters, all the left wing, you know, nut-jobs over at MSNBC saying, oh, FOX is so bias, they keep worrying about Benghazi, it was over.

It wasn't over. It was never over. And now, we know it shouldn't have been over. They should have been asking the question who pushed the video?
Like you've been straight along.

One of the things that really bothers me is that not only Rhodes sent this email out, it was the time at Andrews Air Force Base when Hillary Clinton in front of the draped caskets literally said and I'm quoting her, "We've seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an Internet video that we had nothing to do with."

That is really, really disgusting, especially in light of what we know now, that they're literally saying, talk about this, make it about this, don't make it about what we really know that it's a terroristic attack. That's disgusting.

You know what it is time for? I'll read it here, it's time for an independent counsel. Now, there are two ways this thing to go about. It can be the Department of Justice where Eric Holder would have to say, we're going to appoint an independent counsel to go look and investigate what's going on. Or --

PERINO: But he won't.

BOLLING: But he won't, right.

So, the other way to do is John Boehner has to step up. He has to step up and appoint a joint committee, it can be both sides, it can be, you know, joint, but they need subpoena power and he has to ask for subpoena power so that they can ask the tough question and have something behind it --

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: And have someone take the Fifth and get redacted documents. I have very little faith whatsoever that they will do a fair and impartial investigation. Anyone who tries to will be basically made a fool of by the press and will be ignored and will come up with some hysterical person.

What this email tells me is that from the beginning, this administration handled Benghazi as a PR or a campaign event. Not as an act of terrorism against the United States. They immediately went into spin control. They did not seem to be so concerned about the loss of lives of four Americans that were murdered, the loss of our consulate, the lot of the CIA annex whatsoever.

They had no problem putting out someone as a scapegoat for them to cover up their misdeeds, their malfeasance against the Americans that were serving at that time in Benghazi. I think it's really shameful and I'm not surprised that this has come to light.

GUTFELD: Juan, what do you think of this? I mean, I do believe that they cared what happened there, but I also believe they also cared about how it would look.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I'm glad you said that. I think they clearly cared about what happened and clearly cared about the people. I don't think it had anything to do with it. This has been a hanging court this afternoon.

But I just say, you know, there's not much new in this. I mean, if you guys really are so innocent of heart to think that Ben Rhodes and the White House don't care about the president's image, even in the midst of a national crisis, you've never been in a White House. I don't care Republican or Democrat, they all care about the president's image.

PERINO: But they're the ones who said they didn't.

WILLIAMS: Making clear -- this was in the email, that you have a steady and steadfast presence, that you maintain the president's presence. That's
what's revealed here. I don't see if that's --

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WILLIAMS: One last final thing, you know, you talk about, oh, Boehner should stand up there. You forget, there have been House investigations.
Hillary Clinton testified. Senate intel came out in January. Senate intel said yes, the video, the violent video did spark protest in Egypt, Tunisia.
This is a reality that you're like, oh now --

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GUILFOYLE: Hillary Clinton said, what difference does it make?

BOLLING: No, but he can go ahead and call for a vote for a joint select committee which would have the power to subpoena --

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WILLIAMS: We've had investigation.

BOLLING: Not with the power to subpoena.

But, Juan, can I just point something out? The difference here is, so you are saying Ben Rhodes purposefully changed the facts --

WILLIAMS: He didn't change any facts.

BOLLING: So the president could look good. You said it yourself.

WILLIAMS: No, no. What Ben Rhodes did was say, let's make sure that we don't get into a politics, into a policy discussion. We want to have it so that the president comes across as steady and strong.

PERINO: I'm so surprised, Juan, that you are -- you've covered White Houses. You've got amazing investigative journalism. And maybe this story is not important to some people to cover -- to follow all the twists and turns. But some of us have, and the White House is clearly not telling the truth on a few things.

It would not have met -- if they had said in the beginning, yes, of course, we were trying to protect the president's image. You can understand that.
Instead, they have maintained for a long time that they had nothing to do with it, nothing to do with the video. And also, if they didn't think it was a problem, why when these documents, Ben Rhodes email was sent to the committee, did they redact it?

Who in the White House counsel's office thought it was appropriate and necessary to redact that line and only when judicial watch sues and gets the documents without the redacted part do we learn about it? Why do you think that that's OK?

WILLIAMS: I don't know that it's OK or not OK. I leave that to you judge.

PERINO: I'm just saying this is evidence.

GUILFOYLE: This is the commentary of this segment.

WILLIAMS: It is not a revelation to me that has anything to do with the heart and soul of the manner, which is the death of these four young men.

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WILLIAMS: If you want an indictment, I tell you what the indictment is, why have we not found the people who did this and punish them? That I could see. If you said that to me, I would say OK.

GUTFELD: We jailed a filmmaker instead.

BOLLING: You don't have a problem with Ben Rhodes saying let's go with this idea that it was an Internet video. And you're going to go on five, Susan Rice, you're going to go on five shows, talk shows, you know Benghazi is going to be the topic and he said, go with this. You don't think that's a problem when they knew, we know now that they knew it has nothing to do with video and had everything to do with a terrorist attack.

WILLIAMS: No. They --

BOLLING: They have documents. In these documents, they have intel that says this was a terror attack, listed terror attack.

WILLIAMS: You know, it's like you missed a lot of history here, but they have had House intelligence hearings, Senate intelligence hearings on just this point.

GUTFELD: All right. Can we -- I want to move on to this. There's the White House briefing today turned into a giant twister mat as Jonathan Karl, ABC, went after Jay Carney about this very topic about the talking points and Susan Rice. Let's roll this.

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JONATHAN KARL, ABC NEWS: You knew full well what Susan Rice was going to be asked about was about that attack, a terrorist attack on a U.S.
consulate in Benghazi. Ambassador Rice went on those shows and she said that the attack in Benghazi was rooted in protest over an Internet video.
We know now that that was not true.

JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Jon, I would point you to what Mike Morell has said repeatedly in testimony about the creation of the talking points.

KARL: This is what Morell said just last month, that when he heard that, he said that is not something our analysts have said.

CARNEY: Right.

KARL: So that, now we see, came from the White House, right?

CARNEY: Jon -- no, you're wrong. If you look at that document, that document that we're talking about today was about the overall environment in the Muslim world.

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GUTFELD: So, K.G., a couple of things he does today, Carney. He said, it's about a broader situation which they don't believe. Then he brings up promos from other shows, saying that they said it was about the protest.
What do you make of it?

GUILFOYLE: I mean, it's just embarrassing for him. This is not a good day for him. It's like Barney Rubble stunt double and Petticoat Junction. I mean, I don't know, it's terrifying to watch and we do know for a fact that he was in on the White House communication in the emails because it was sent to the whole communication staff. So, I mean please stop, it's so embarrassing. My God, tender your resignation and put something on your resume to get a job because this is not good for him personally or for the administration.

WILLIAMS: Well, the whole thing is not attractive. But I'm going to say, what is the indictment? If you have to, you know --

GUILFOYLE: My point is that he was knowingly false.

WILLIAMS: -- as a prosecutor, tell me exactly what's in these documents that is so awful?

GUILFOYLE: My point is would you have seen Dana Perino go out there and make these kind of false statements despite knowing facts to the contrary to hold someone accountable?

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PERINO: Yes, they did.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, they did. That's what today is about.

WILLIAMS: No, no. In fact, Eric said they've been told this was a terrorist attack and CIA people, everyone, Petraeus -- everyone has said, we were not convinced at that point. In fact, they said they had guys on the ground.

BOLLING: But Morell said they knew it was a terrorist attack.

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WILLIAMS: They weren't sure.

BOLLING: Here's a problem, Dana points this out, when they originally turned this document over, they did, but it was completely redacted. It took Judicial Watch. Think about that for a second.

So, they go to these House panels, these committees, they raised their right hand, they swear to tell the truth and all they have these redacted pieces of paper, they can't tell what's on it. It takes an outside legal group that has to sue for FOIA to find out what's on the document. There is a problem with the system until Boehner steps up and give them subpoena power.

PERINO: And they ridicule Chairman Issa for saying, you held all these hearings and you can't find anything -- it's because they redacted it.

WILLIAMS: All this is, is PR.

PERINO: But, Juan, I hope you read this stuff tomorrow because, first of all, your defense of them is not helping them. It's actually making it worse. It's showing that even people who want to defend the White House, are so confused now that they can't remember the lies they told about the lies they told about the lies.

As a press secretary, when you're standing up there and you're getting all these questions and maybe you ignore FOX News because you've got FOX News (INAUDIBLE), fine, but you know those question are coming to you and you know that you are on the prep call for Susan Rice the night before the Sunday shows, and you are being asked did the White House have anything to do with pushing the idea that it was a video? And you say no.

But you are on these emails and then they are redacted when they go to the White House counsel. That was part of a very minor thing called the U.S.
attorney scandal back in 2008. It was a preposterous situation, 2007 and '08.

One of my emails got revealed. I knew it was going to be. I knew because I paid attention. They don't care enough about their reputation and I will tell you this what they did to Susan Rice to put her out with information that they knew was going to be wrong, and even subsequently just a month ago, she's on a Sunday shows saying that she has no regrets, I think what they did to her was absolutely shameful.

GUILFOYLE: And then give her -- yes, and what I want to just kind of bring this back to is let's talk about the victims. Let's talks about the four Americans, their families that were lied to and deceived by this administration. It is shameful conduct. It is not just about winning elections and that's what they made it about, that it's about the loss of life. We're looking at their faces right there.

It's not about emails. It's not about hiding, redacting. I mean, we should be better than this and American people should expect it and demand it, as a matter of fact.

WILLIAMS: This is about PR and this is about whether or not --

GUILFOYLE: And it shouldn't be.

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WILLIAMS: -- at where you're trying to protect the president -- fine, OK.
But that's the charge --

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WILLIAMS: But I don't see that it's a charge to the substance of the matter and it certainly isn't amount to the investigations have already taken place.

GUTFELD: It was about an election. If we all the Candy Crowley moment with Romney, we know how big an effect Benghazi could have had and didn't have.

GUILFOYLE: Huge.

GUTFELD: Also, they chose to push video because I think in their hearts, without evidence, they believed it to be true.

PERINO: They wanted it to be true. Remember, they made the video, the public service announcement for Pakistan to say we didn't have to anything to do the video.

GUTFELD: Yes, I think they had a hard time because of Islamophobia-phobia to say, it's your fault you jerks over there. They can't do it. They're incapable. They can drone them but they can't blame them. I don't know.

Next, there's an outcry over how long it took a cold-blooded murderer to die last night by lethal injection. But what about how long it took for his victim? She was buried, she was shot and then buried alive? Kimberly has the story coming up on "The Five."

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GUILFOYLE: Well, his name is flashed across newspapers and newscasts nationwide today after his execution didn't go exactly as planned.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now to a disturbing story out of Oklahoma overnight, what is being described as a botched execution, the inmate Clayton Lockett was being put to death for the death of a 19-year-old woman when something went wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lockett was the first inmate injected with the state's new mix of lethal drugs. But minutes after being declared unconscious, Lockett tried to lift his head, mumbled and began squirming.
Prison officials halted the execution.

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GUILFOYLE: Well, most of the reports focused on how long and painful it was for Clayton Lockett to die last night, after he was given a lethal injection, 43 minutes. He ended up after a heart attack after the drugs didn't work and the execution was halted. What they failed to mention is that Lockett died a way more humane death than his victim did. We're going to tell you about her. Nineteen-year-old Stephanie Neiman was buried alive after Lockett shot her in 1999.

You hear very little about this in the news. It's all about inhumane the death penalty is, how egregious he has become the victim and long forgotten
-- having been a prosecutor and struggled with situations like this, the families that suffer over time with years and years with either unsolved case, there's no justice. So this happens, it wasn't perhaps the most humane way to die, but, shouldn't we care about her? Isn't she part of the story, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Absolutely. I don't think there's any way to get around it. I mean, what he did was unconscionable, wrong, sick, and he deserved to be punished, and if the government and if the people of Oklahoma wanted to execute him, they deserve to have that right. They have that right. I don't think anybody is arguing that.

I think the argument, here, Kimberly, is about the constitutional protections against cruel and unusual punishment and the idea that you did it in such a way it's described as botched. The Governor Mary Fallin said, you know what, she's not going to go through with the second execution until they can get it right.

So, all this is about is the way -- even -- let me just say -- even this man Clayton Lockett's step mother said he deserved to die. It's just that he didn't deserve to suffer. I think that's why it bothers people's conscience. Today, by the way, on FoxNews.com, Keith Ablow, the psychiatrist, has a piece in which he says, you know, he wants to say to his son that we as Americans, there's a line between us and these murderous crazy bastards like that --

GUIFOYLE: OK. But how about this? This was not an intentional,
infliction of cruel and unusual punishment. It was something that went wrong. They're going to fix it.

But what he did was commit an intentional and heinous crime? Imagine how long it took this poor young girl, buried alive, Eric, to die, suffering like that.

BOLLING: I have no sympathy for Clayton Lockett. I'm sorry, it took you
43 minutes. I kind of wish it would take you 43 years suffering with a heart attack and I have no sympathy.

Juan, beyond a reasonable doubt is our standard to convict someone. If there's a situation where it's beyond all doubt whatsoever and someone is clearly -- they have eyewitnesses, they admit it, I think they can execute someone in the way that he or she executed their victim.

There has to be a deterrent. I know it sounds crazy. But it's actually --

GUILFOYLE: You're saying an eye for an eye.

BOLLING: Kimberly, the reason why this happened is because this lethal mix of drug didn't work because it was a new mix. The problem is all these drug companies are worried about being sued for making these drugs and they are having a hard time. Look, this guy --

GUILFOYLE: Getting someone to make it, even.

BOLLING: Right, getting them to make it.

This guy deserved to die and he probably died too quickly.

GUILFOYLE: So, perhaps a merciful death is warranted but does he deserve our sympathy, Dana?

PERINO: Well, sympathy, probably not. But I think that Americans are compassionate and then we trust our government to handle the punishment that we have agreed that they should be allowed to handle. We don't handle it ourselves. We trust them to do.

Americans are humans, are not infallible, I do think that they will fix this. I think the whole reason that he was on death row in the first place is because people cared about the victim.

GUILFOYLE: That's a good point.

GUTFELD: I find this actually kind of funny because it was a lethal interaction of drugs that caused a heart attack. He just died like a rich celebrity.

Think about it. This happens to celebrities all the time. I'm sorry, there are too many other priorities in the world. We confuse real victims with pretenders.

Let's mourn the people he harmed. In his situation, a legal injustice coincided with a moral justice. In a rare situation, the killer suffered like his victim and it's a mistake I can live with, but he died like so many other people died and I'm sorry.

GUILFYLE: It's like reported on TMZ.

GUTFELD: One morning show said the execution went horribly wrong. I question the word "horribly."

GUILFOYLE: I mean, former death penalty prosecutor. No tears.

Coming up, the U.S. is on the brink of losing its status as the world's largest economy to China. Eric's got the bad news. That's next on "The Five."

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BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.

In his defense, President O. never claimed to know diddlysquat about the economy. But, boy, he sure wasn't kidding. Under O., America's debt has increased $7 trillion. And get this, by the end of his term, Obama's debt will be more than the 43 presidents preceding him.

Under O, America underwent our first ever credit downgrade. Under O, for the first time in 142 years, America will lose our global dominance when China takes over as the world's largest economy.

And remember this ad. It's not so funny anymore, is it?

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Of course, we owned most of their debt, so now they work for us.

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PERINO: Who's laughing now?

BOLLING: Is China going to overtake the American economy much sooner than most people are expected.

WILLIAMS: You know, I can't believe that you...

GUILFOYLE: Juan can't take it.

WILLIAMS: I can't take it. It scares me. But I must say that, although I think the Chinese economy is growing and our economy has not been doing all that great, so I'm with you on that part, I think the basis of this is totally bogus. And I notice that I'm backed up by the American Enterprise Institute, which says this new way of comparing the numbers, which is not based on gross domestic product, GDP, but on something called PPP, purchasing power parity, is actually way out of line. You don't know what something costs in China or some third-world country versus what it costs in the United States. That's what this is about.

But I must say, it appeals to all of our fears that America is not the economic super power that it's been since I believe I read the 1800s when we overtook Britain...

BOLLING: Seventy-two.

WILLIAMS: ... as the No. 1 economy in the world.

GUILFOYLE: Eric's favorite year.

BOLLING: That's right. Although Juan points out there's a new way of doing the math on it, but they are going to overtake us.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I mean, right or wrong, they're crossing the finish line first in this turtle-hare race. Yes, there's some of the factors at play here, like manipulating their currency, but besides that, they also are doing better than we are. So we have to look at that. Why is it? Can we do some self-examination, some reflection, perhaps, Juan, and say maybe we have too much regulation. Maybe we're stifling entrepreneurship in this country. Maybe our taxes are too high. We have practices that are not business friendly, and then you add on things like health care, which has been an excessive and undue burden the way it's been handled for businesses and for people trying to employ in this country.

I'm not surprised that this has happened, and Bob Beckel told me it was going to be like this.

BOLLING: Either one of you...

GUILFOYLE: China's the winner.

BOLLING: ... literally the same amount of debt, President Obama is going to tack on the same amount of debt that the whole entire history of America up until he took office. That's insanity.

GUTFELD: Well, he can at least say he's No. 1. That's important.

China wants to win. America wants to pay for their sins. That is what we're going through. We despise our industries. We condemn the energy that made this country great and that could run the world. We overtax our businesses, as K.G. says.

Our president finds winning unsavory, because there are losers. Unless it's an election that he's in. It's a campus mentality that has graduated to the White House.

If America is at the root of all that's evil in the world, then it deserves to lose, but who replaces us? China. This is why elections matter. This is why we need somebody who will usher in a rebirth of exceptionalism and stop obsessing over social ills, worrying about Sandra Fluke's (ph) pills.
They laugh at the kind of -- they laugh at the petty things that we get involved in. Or actually they just don't have the problems we have, because they haven't reached that point.

GUILFOYLE: We had our chance to put Romney in, and we didn't.

BOLLING: No minimum wages. Can you help solve this problem? Can you change it? Can you get the ball back in our court?

PERINO: Me, myself and I?

BOLLING: Do you have any suggestions?

PERINO: OK, I don't think it's President Obama's fault. I think that, because China has four times the people that the United States has, that -- if that government doesn't collapse from government overthrow because of desire for freedom and economic changes, like personal property, things like that. It's pretty much inevitable that at some point China was going to overtake the American economy. Whether you compare apples to apples or, as Juan said, whether things change.

But there are some things that we could do to at least stay competitive that we are not doing, and I do think that that falls to the White House and Congress, certainly, to do the most important thing they could do is lower the U.S. tax rate for corporations. Because just this week, you saw what is the big company that wants to move overseas and put their headquarters in London?

WILLIAMS: It's Pfizer, right?

PERINO: It's Pfizer. So it's a big, huge pharmaceutical company. It's not that companies are leaving to go to China. They're actually leaving to go to western European nations.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

PERINO: They shouldn't allow that to happen. That should be a wakeup call for America.

BOLLING: They want to move over their whole (ph)...

PERINO: It was not President Obama who said he didn't know anything about the economy. It was actually John McCain. It was a quote of his during the '08 election that everybody sort of...

BOLLING: I've never heard him say he does know something about the economy.

WILLIAMS: OK. Well, let me just say for all -- for all the kind of mournful feeling we have about, you know, our economic condition, I'd rather live in the United States. If you want to run and live in China, go on.

GUILFOYLE: Come on, Juan.

WILLIAMS: I want my children educated in this country. Their schools can't compete with our schools. Come on. I believe in Democratic principles and, yes, we get hung up on some of these...

GUILFOYLE: Actually, schools in China are very good.

WILLIAMS: Not as good as -- you find a university in China to compete with our top universities. People come all over the world.

GUILFOYLE: People are doing pretty well, but they're studying simple things.

BOLLING: You want simple thing they can do from any administration, whether it's Obama or any administration, one simple tweak to the tax code that would put us on top for life, let every corporation repatriate their profits back to the United States. That would make us No. 1 for life.

GUILFOYLE: I can think of five people we can do that.

PERINO: Republicans or Democrats should take that as one of their policy platforms and they could run on it. Even if they couldn't get it passed through Congress it would actually be...

WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. More money for the rich. More money for the rich.

PERINO: To put back in...

BOLLING: More money for America. Ahead, (AUDIO GAP). Dana has the wild story and why it concerns all of us.

GUILFOYLE: Way to get on top of it.

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GUTFELD: What's wrong with you?

PERINO: It has nothing to do with what I'm about to say. Over the weekend in Britain a politician named Paul Weston was arrested on suspicion of religious or racial harassment for citing a passage about Islam. He was quoting Winston Churchill, from his book, "The River of War."

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PAUL WESTON, BRITISH POLITICIAN: Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the Islamic religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in this world. And far from being moribund, Islamism is a militant and proselytizing faith.

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PERINO: So someone was offended. They called the police, and the chair of the Liberty G.B. party was taken into custody and then released.

Mr. Weston sees a double standard for Muslims and non-Muslims in the United Kingdom.

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WESTON: They go out of their way not to arrest anybody from the Islamic community no matter what awfully dreadful things they get up to, but they will immediately arrest anybody from non-Muslim side of it who dares to raise his voice in protest about what's going on.

And the reason they this is because, if they have to admit that there is a serious problem with Islam, then they would have to do something about it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: So Winston Churchill wrote that in 1899 when he was 25 during his time in Sudan. And Greg, in the U.K., free speech is curtailed to the point that, if two people are in a pub, speech is that the way that and they somebody over hear them. Really mistake, special comments. Two people are in a pub and somebody overhears them, they hear somebody making racial comments or harassment. They can actually call the police, and those two people could be arrested

GUTFELD: The western priorities right now are a funhouse mirror where a radical imam has more respect than a man who probably saved western -- the western world. The fact is now Churchill is seen as another dead white male and probably racist. The danger of limiting speech, though, like in a pub, is you decrease options for outrage which then increases the likelihood for violence in other ways. People get frustrated.

I think England what they should do is to create a Read Churchill Day.
Everyone on a certain day go outside and read Churchill. You sentence
100,000 people for completing a sentence. It's impossible. That's what they should do.

PERINO: Like Robby Burns Night.

GUTFELD: Exactly. I know what that is.

PERINO: I like it. OK. Kimberly, let me ask you this. Police here in the United States, I don't think this would ever happen because we have the First Amendment and for now it is protected. But I don't think...

GUILFOYLE: For now.

PERINO: For now. Do we even have enough police to rush to a call to check in on somebody's private comments?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. We already have that division. The thought police. They are doing extremely well and coming in under budget.

Yes, this is frightening, and anybody with two cents, basically, in London knows that this is a big problem for the U.K. They have a real serious threat, and it's where we're headed, by the way, with Islamic terrorism.
And now you can't even say anything about it, because the guy's right. If you say anything about it, then you're going to have to act on it. And they don't want to have to do that. They'd rather be PC, acting in ignorance, and then stigmatize a guy like this, that's just quoting Churchill. I mean, have you ever heard anything so ridiculous as arresting someone for reading a quote?

PERINO: No. But Juan, he was trying to get arrested. I do think that he was -- he wanted to be able to make this point. Do you kind of admire him for that?

WILLIAMS: I do. I really do.

And in fact, I just want to quote here. Daniel Hartman, who's the author of a book called "How We Invented Freedom," wrote in a British newspaper, The Telegraph. He says, "Why should it fall to me to defend him? Where are the lionhearted liberals."..

GUILFOYLE: Right.

WILLIAMS: .".. who are so quick to denounce political arrests in distant dictatorships."

Well, this to me, what he was reading is not just a matter of intellectual curiosity, which I'm all for. It also has relevance to who we are today in a multicultural, multi-religious society, where you have to discuss the history of Islam, and you have to deal with negatives just as we deal with the negatives of my faith, Christianity. I don't see what's so crazy about that, why you can't have a public discussion.

PERINO: What do you think of all this? Would you want to go to England right now and risk it?

BOLLING: No, I don't think -- here's what I think. I think the -- that's the beauty of the Constitution, as simple as it is, it's you know, a few pages and we can always rely on it. We can go back to it. This obviously wouldn't happen here. I assume because of the free speech.

GUTFELD: Unless it's on campus.

BOLLING: Or if -- audiotapes you in the privacy of your own home and then all of a sudden your basketball team is taken away from you. Listen, I'm not condoning what that guy said. But you really have to wonder, when a private conversation is being used against you...

GUILFOYLE: There is no privacy.

BOLLING: Well, is there no privacy or is the Constitution being shredded on a daily basis, or at least tested on a daily basis? So many tests.
That would be a test of the Constitution, would it happen here. I'm going to shut up, so...

PERINO: My husband Peter has a British accent. He's from there, obviously. That's why he have a British accent.

GUTFELD: Or so -- that's what they all say.

GUILFOYLE: Unlike Madonna.

WILLIAMS: I think it's a rasp (ph). Dana, I think he's...

PERINO: But he was reading to me out loud from this Winston Churchill biography, I don't know, a couple of months ago, and I was like, "Oh, you could just keep on reading." You can come over, Kimberly, and listen.

GUILFOYLE: I thought we were going do that swap.

PERINO: Well, no swapping.

WILLIAMS: What is going on? I've been away too long.

GUILFOYLE: She's the meanest person.

GUTFELD: She said, "I don't want the kid." America -- America, she said, "I don't want the kid." What are you going to do, just leave it out on the road? What kind of monster are you? You are a dangerous person.

GUILFOYLE: Small. Small, evil, awful.

PERINO: We've been talking about Clippers owner Don Sterling and his race remarks. There were some controversial comments from others that are flying under the radar you might want to know about. Stay right there.

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WILLIAMS: It took over 72 hours for Donald Sterling, owner of the L.A.
Clippers, to be rightfully banned from the league after his disgusting, racist remarks were brought to light. Just yesterday, the Web site Buzzfeed unearthed video of Democratic Congressman Bennie Thompson in Mississippi another person was caught on videotape unloading some vile comments of his own.

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REP. BENNIE THOMPSON (D), MISSISSIPPI: Mitch McConnell would have the audacity to tell the president of the United States, not just the chief executive, but the commander in chief, that "I don't care what you come up with, we're going to be against it." Now, if that's not a racist statement, I don't know what is.

There is Uncle Tom Clarence Thomas, this man doesn't even like black people. He doesn't like being black, because every decision where color has something to do with it, he went against it.

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WILLIAMS: So should the punishment for Congressman Thompson be as swift and severe as it was for Donald Sterling? Eric.

BOLLING: Well, thanks for coming to me first, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: I almost...

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: So here's the deal. Look, I'm in the mindset now, with all this stuff going on about what he said -- he said, she said. He's going to be punished. He's -- they're going to take this away from him. Let the free market dictate. So the free market in this case would be voters. Let them vote him out next time and -- is he still a congressman?

WILLIAMS: Yes. Oh, yes.

BOLLING: Let them vote him out.

As far as Donald Sterling, let the market take care of him, too. He's going to lose a lot more than the two and a half million bucks that they just left...

GUILFOYLE: You said that with "Duck Dynasty," too.

BOLLING: Yes. Let the free market take care of these things.

GUILFOYLE: A spin on that (ph).

BOLLING: I'm not condoning any comments that are ridiculous. But life has its way of giving you your comeuppance.

WILLIAMS: I think the economy does -- I agree with you. That's the key.
In all these arguments, when the commercial people, when the advertisers flee, you're in trouble.

GUILFOYLE: I think it's just -- I don't know. I don't like his comments at all. But you know, he can keep his job. He's not my vote to cast for yes or no. But I think it's pretty embarrassing for him, these comments.
They speak for themselves and, you know, the way he disparaged Clarence Thomas. I mean, he's not moving the ball forward for anybody there.

WILLIAMS: Gregory.

GUTFELD: Yes, I mean, you know what? I'm tired of this kind of race Ping- Pong. It's like every -- I'll throw you a Bundy. Then somebody throws a Sterling and you throw this guy. It keeps going back and forth. It gets kind of exhausting.

GUILFOYLE: Race-Pong.

GUTFELD: What if your name really is Uncle Tom?

PERINO: I had an Uncle Tom.

GUTFELD: Did you really?

PERINO: Yes.

GUTFELD: Well, that's good for you.

PERINO: Tom Perino.

GUTFELD: But yesterday, I made this point.

GUILFOYLE: I hope he didn't have any kids.

WILLIAMS: Oh! Oh. Get over it. Get over it. Get over it.

GUTFELD: Dana "I hate kids" Perino.

WILLIAMS: Dana, what do you think about our topic? Let's get back to the subject.

PERINO: I wrote something similar to Greg in terms of race Ping-Pong. I called it racism one-upsmanship.

GUTFELD: Ping-Pong is better.

PERINO: Sorry. OK. Here's what I was thinking today. I think just forget these older people.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God, we're getting worse.

GUTFELD: And now you hate older people.

PERINO: My point is that what kind of equality are they looking for?

GUILFOYLE: She only likes dogs.

PERINO: I do like dogs. But here's me. I am so hopeful about the youth of America, because they are the most tolerant, inclusive people. We should focus more of our attention on them, because they're going to be the future for us.

WILLIAMS: You know, Krauthammer and I today were having a discussion on just this point, and we just say, hey, you know, look at the age of Sterling. Look at the age of these people. They were -- they're just locked in their thinking.

GUTFELD: But I don't think that's fair, because even if you're 80, you were in your 40s in 1960.

WILLIAMS: Anyway, "One More Thing," coming up. You can tell we got a lot about here.

GUTFELD: That is true.

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GUTFELD: "One More Thing." Who's first?

WILLIAMS: It's me tonight.

GUTFELD: Good.

WILLIAMS: All right. So take a look at this clip. It's Senator Harry Reid, majority leader of the Democrats, on the floor of the Senate.

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SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV), MAJORITY LEADER: But since Snyder fails to show any leadership, the National Football League should take and assess the name (ph) to pick up the slack. I believe Roger Goodell is a good man, but it's time for this good man to act. Remove this hateful term from the league's vocabulary. Follow the NBA's example and rid the league of bigotry and racism.

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WILLIAMS: So now the pressure is on Dan Snyder, the owner of the Redskins, over the name of his team. Somehow that name is being equated with what Donald Sterling has to say. Excuse me, but that's a -- that's a jar too far.

GUILFOYLE: That's a jump. That's a jump.

GUTFELD: They should change the name.

GUILFOYLE: OK, let's go to a happy place: "Wheel of Injustice." OK, the "Wheel of Fortune."

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'd like to solve the puzzle. "Boozing my shore excursion."

(BUZZER)

PAT SAJAK, HOST, "WHEEL OF FORTUNE": Josh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'd like to solve the puzzle. "Booking my shore excursion."

SAJAK: Yes, that's it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: I wouldn't have got that.

GUILFOYLE: Speaks for itself.

BOLLING: You like boozing rather than booking.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: Whoa!

GUTFELD: OK.

BOLLING: This came out today. No one heard that. This came out today.
"Judicial Watch" pointed out that, over the past five years, President Obama and Joe Biden -- the Biden family have spent over $40 million of your tax dollars on vacations, and that's just for Air Force One and Air Force Two. I can't imagine the golf extravaganzas and the biking with his mom costs that much, but I guess it does.

GUTFELD: All right.

PERINO: But the mom, beats him again (ph).

GUTFELD: It is time once again for...

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ANNOUNCER: Greg's prom tips.

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GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: You don't want to look like an idiot when you're pinning the corsage on your date, so here's what you do. You practice. You practice on your mom. You learn, and your mom will be happy. No baby's breath, because let's face it, babies have bad breath.

PERINO: Great.

GUTFELD: And girls -- girls, before you go to the prom, don't go to Victoria's Secret to buy something that's going to freak your parents out -
- Dana.

PERINO: Well, why don't you just get a wrist corsage?

GUILFOYLE: Do you have an itchy head? What's the -- you're like this.

GUTFELD: I'm relaxing, Kimberly. You know what? Stay out of my life. Go ahead, hater of children and old people.

PERINO: OK. OK, I'm just going to -- you know what? I just want to clarify something. I'm going to save my "One More Thing" for tomorrow. I don't hate kids. I don't hate old people. I was making a point. Please don't take them out of context and make me the worst person in the world, but I really don't want to babysit.

GUILFOYLE: And you want to babysit Ronan. Take it back, take it back.

GUTFELD: All right. Don't forget to set your DVRs. It's that machine.
So you never miss an episode of "The Five." See you back here tomorrow.

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