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Sharpton downplays claims he was an FBI informant

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 8, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. This is "The Five."

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BOLLING: The Reverend Al Sharpton dropped a bombshell in New York today, admitting to do an FBI informant.

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REV. AL SHARPTON, CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER: I did what anybody would do that is respected, other than a thug, and I cooperated with that. Rats are usually people that are with other rats. I was not and am not a rat because I wasn't with the rat. I'm a cat. I chase rats.

I was never told I was an informant with a number. So, in my -- in my own mind, I was not an informant. I was cooperating with investigation.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: The smoking gun in the Web site outed the sinister minister yesterday with an expose of his role as an FBI informant, which placed him deep within the Genovese crime family. Among the various crimes involved in his snitching -- drug dealing, murder, armed robbery and extortion.

Here are some of the gangsters Sharpton helped take down, Venero "Benny Eggs" Mangano, Dominick "Baldy Dom" Canterino and Vincent "Vinny the Chin" Gigante. These wise guys ended up in the slammer because of this guy.

And the $64,000 question, why did Al Sharpton, the community activist, become CI7, the informant. If you believe the reverend, he did it for the community, for the kids.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: I did what was right. I did what was always raised and the value of a praying mother would do and I did what I tell kids every day all over this country that they should do, and that is deal with getting guns and crime out of their community and cooperate with the law.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Well, call me a skeptic but I don't think I've ever heard an informant flipping unless the feds have something on him first, something big, which brings me to do this -- perhaps the real smoking gun, here's an undercover FBI agent acting as a drug trafficker negotiating $35,000 kilos of cocaine to none other than Al Sharpton at the time Sharpton threatened to sue HBO that there was another tape that would exonerate him, but for some reason, we never saw that one.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now I can get pure coke, or you know, 99 percent, for about $35,000 a kilo, but I got to get, you know, more than one.

SHARPTON: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, if we're going to go do this thing --

SHARPTON: Now, you're talking about some real --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, real. I mean, 10 kilograms is like $350,000. That's a drop in the bucket. We can go bigger.

Every kilogram we bring in, $3,500 to you. How does that sound?

So, if we bring in 10, you'll make $35,000.

SHARPTON: I hear you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But that's a drip in the bucket.

SHARPTON: Well, he can -- if he's going to do it, he'll do it much more than that. If he can do it, you know, a hundred times over. I might be able to supply it a hundred times over.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: So, Bob, what do you think about this?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: I think that Sharpton probably got involved at the music industry that is notorious in the black community, particularly out of Atlanta, dealing with cocaine, specifically, $35,000 of kilos is a lot of money for cocaine. They say it's 99 percent pure. There's no such thing as 99 percent pure heroin.

But there's no question to my mind that Sharpton, they may have brought these guys down, but I assume it's on drug charges. I mean, I can't imagine, you go out done (ph) a murder charges. But I think you're right, you don't get somebody to become an informant without something to convince them that it's worthwhile to do it.

BOLLING: Yes. And, Ands, they say the smoking gun, they outline this, in a very, very extensive expose going through it line by line, and they say that Al Sharpton had some contacts in the music industry and the boxing arena as well, and those contacts, by meeting with them, turn over some Genovese crime family names.

Al went on to actually wiretapping these people with the briefcase.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: And he's changed his story in the last 24 hours, right? So, first, he says he didn't really have any involvement. Now, he says he does. And his excuse is that he was a civil rights kid just trying to help out, just trying to do the right thing for a lot of African- American artists and agents in the boxing industry, in the sports world, that kind of thing, with no ties to anything else.

I think the question here really is, was Al doing the right this? Can you believe him? Was he doing a good thing or was he bad thing by ratting out the crime family?

I think a lot of people don't believe Al Sharpton. I know I don't. I mean, the story doesn't matter to me that much because I know we didn't alert with the FOX News alert, but Al Sharpton a rat? I mean, really? This is the lead? That doesn't seem like that big a news.

BOLLING: Ands, it's not really -- we knew about this for a long time that he had done -- there was an undercover sting going on and whatnot. But this is -- the new part of this is that he was actually an FBI informant. That part, no.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: And it was out of the goodness of his heart. I believe him. But saying Al Sharpton was an informant is like saying Charles Manson is a lousy dancer. It's the least of his evils. Think about the Crown Heights riot. Think about the Tawana Brawley hoax. Think about Freddie's Fashion Mart, where seven people died in an arson fire by one of the protesters at one of Sharpton's protests that killed seven people, including that guy.

Sharpton has ruined more lives that E. coli. He's hurricane Al, wherever he goes, he lives a path of devastation because of his race baiting and his divisionary politics.

Being -- I agree, being a mob informant might be the only good thing he's ever done.

BOLLING: OK. Perhaps, Dana, what about this? What about President Obama spending a lot of time with Al Sharpton. He's been to state dinners, Al has. Also, I think Friday, President Obama is going to at least introduce or headline or make some sort of introduction at Al Sharpton's National Action Network event on Friday? Is that a good idea for the president of the United States to be associating with him?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I get -- you know, Al Sharpton is larger than life. He's one of life's great characters. And by great character, I don't mean necessarily good. But it's like one of these crazy people that has done all sorts of different things in his life.

Looking at those tapes, though, it feels like watching the Americans on FX, where the spies in the Cold War are using old fashioned voicemail machines to track down things. I don't really -- I think it's hard for people, younger people in particular to look at that tape and think it was a big crime.

GUTFELD: Yes, but you brought up the National Action Network.

BOLLING: Right.

GUTFELD: They owe $1.9 million in taxes.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: And Lois Lerner hasn't targeted that? Maybe she has and I don't know. But that money could go pay for part of Obamacare, yet we go after the Tea Party.

BOLLING: And I read somewhere he was taking somewhere around a quarter million dollars figure just from that group alone.

BECKEL: Let me try to say something here in Al's defense. If you believe that he was being threatened by the Genovese family because he was fronting as it were for the music industry, Genovese family supplied them with drugs. Now, if Al went to the FBI and said, I'm being threatened by these guys, first the obvious question is, what were you doing there? Were you trying to buy drugs? Well, they had a tape of this thing.

But he did in the end, because of what he did, according to the FBI anyway, bring down some pretty significant mobsters. So, you got to give him that much.

BOLLING: Well, OK. But I'm not sure that's the right trail of events. The way I understand it is that this thing went down, this FBI sting that we played, a piece of videotape. Now, Al claims there's another piece of tape that exonerates him. We can't seem to find it.

After, in the wake of that sting going down, then Al started to work with the FBI, with the feds, and brought down some of these big crime families by videotape -- wiretapping his briefcase and having conversations.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: So, the question, what was he doing at with that informant at that point? Was he buying for music industry, was he buying for --

BOLLING: It was an undercover cop.

BECKEL: I knew that. But I'm just saying, that was his proposal --

TANTAROS: And did you notice the body language? I mean, maybe we watch so many mob movies, but he knew exactly when to just nod his head and not be - - not say anything. I mean, He sat there most of time I couldn't say nodding his head and that's his excuse, he said, I did nothing wrong. I was just nodding my head.

Again, Al Sharpton has a real credibility problem. So, I don't believe anything he says. And I'm with Greg, this pales in comparison to the other things he did for me. Tawana Brawley is the number one most offensive thing that he's ever done.

GUTFELD: And I don't think the cops, he ever paid the cops. Somebody else might have. But you know what? We reward bozos out of fear. There's a lot of companies contribute to causes because they don't want rallies or protests, MSNBC, he has a show, I believe on that other network, which I think is local access for a grad student with psoriasis.

But, you know, the only way MSNBC could set their bar even lower would be to hire a paramecium to host the show.

BECKEL: What's a paramecium?

GUTFELD: It's like a microorganism.

BECKEL: He's on at 5:00.

GUTFELD: Yes, he's on at 5:00. But what -- is he on at 5:00?

BOLLING: No, the paramecium.

No, Sharpton is on at 6:00.

GUTFELD: Really? OK, that's amazing to me. They should hire Bill Ayers.

TANTAROS: Sailing up the ladder, huh?

BOLLING: So, what about this, Bob? The mob clearly, I'm guessing didn't know about this? You think they knew about it?

BECKEL: I think they knew about it? No, because they got caught and here's the real question I got for Al is Al really want to be walking around the streets, the Genovese's family is still alive and well. Now, a lot of them are jailed, and a lot of them are dead. But they've got sons and they've got uncles and cousins, and if I were Al I'd be very, very careful where I walked.

BOLLING: So, Dana, there's no blowback from the White House regarding this new information we find?

PERINO: Partly because of what Greg says, there's fear, saying that the president shouldn't go to something. The president gets to decide. The president is not running for office again, and Al Sharpton reaches an audience and I think that you can argue that he has done some good work for some people, over time. And maybe there's a sense of redemption, or maybe he was doing the right thing. I don't really know. I don't know a lot about the crime world.

When I watch things like this, I think that my life is so different.

GUTFELD: Are you sure, Dana? Little D, tiny D, as you are known on the streets?

PERINO: I know anything about this stuff.

GUTFELD: You've been pushing kilos for years?

PERINO: I didn't get to watch those mob movies.

GUTFELD: No --

PERINO: I was like Wyoming Italian.

GUTFELD: They didn't get those movies out there?

PERINO: I like mob Italians.

TANTAROS: Dana has been pushing kilos at dog treats.

PERINO: Yes, I don't even know, when he was talking about kilos, like how much, when he's talking about that cocaine, is that a lot of money for that type, in that year? Bob who was in cocaine at the time?

GUTFELD: This is good 5:00 information.

TANTAROS: Again, you have the mob on one side and you have Al Sharpton on the other. I'm more scared of one than the other. So, and unless any of you all have planning to start my car after the show, or hire me a food taster.

BOLLING: This may be one of the dumbest questions, I have a few dumb question especially on this block -- but what makes him a reverend? Does anyone know?

GUTFELD: That's a good question. I'm not sure what his church is and I would never suggest that it's a tax dodge. Never in a million years but he is a man of God. I will say this for many decades we've had a lot of white charlatans operating in churches. So, I mean, you know, he's just part of a long history of charlatans who continue --

BECKEL: He's a Baptist.

But just one thing before we go, this gets back to this point. He was buying -- he was fronting for somebody to buy that cocaine, right, at that point, the FBI turned him.

Now, who was he fronting for? That's the question. He was -- he infiltrated the Genovese family that was supplying the drugs. But that means somebody was buying them.

BOLLING: Or, let's be fair. There may have been a different reason for that meeting and the FBI, the undercover cop -- while we're here let's talk about this cocaine I could sell you.

GUTFELD: He might have been buying track suits in bulk.

BOLLING: Exactly.

GUTFELD: He's back in. That's all he work.

PERINO: I mean, he is so thin. He is a vegan, complete vegan. He does eat anything but vegetables.

GUTFELD: Really?

PERINO: Yes.

TANTAROS: He actually said he was a rat -- he's not a rat, he's a cat. And he used to be fat.

PERINO: Did you get all that?

GUTFELD: It's like Dr. Seuss.

PERINO: I can do it, too.

BOLLING: He is. He's Dr. Seuss, the reverend doctor, Al.

All right. Directly ahead, President Obama busts out his trusty pen to sign more executive orders. This time aimed at narrowing the wage gap between men and women. We'll analyze the president's equal pay agenda. That's coming up next on "The Five."

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TANTAROS: Well, President Obama's latest agenda aims to decrease the pay gap between men and women by signing another executive order that will affect only the workforce employed by federal contract workers.

Earlier today, the president pushed for fair pay for women and urged leveling the playing field.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: America should be a level playing field, a fair raise for everybody, a place where anybody who is willing to work hard has a chance to get ahead.

Some commentators are out there saying that the pay gap doesn't exist. They say it's a myth. It's not a myth. It's math. You can look at the paychecks. You can look at the stubs.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: But even CBS admits the White House is getting roughed up by their own equal pay rhetoric.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An analysis of White House salaries which nobody here dispute shows that the medium income of female staffers is 88 percent of that of male staffers. The White House says its gender gap is tied to job experience, education, and hours work, among other factors. This matters because those explanations, according to the Labor Department, explained a good deal of a gender pay gap nationally. The big difference in these stories, when President Obama discusses this issue nationally, he doesn't mention those other work variables.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: How convenient?

Greg, maybe the president should speak before he puts his -- if he's willing, I guess to put his money where his math is.

GUTFELD: Yes, more people standing behind him every single day. It's the inverse law of facts. The less facts you have, the more people you pack behind you. Economists untangle this myth constantly. It's the product of female choice often for flexibility in schedule. That's why it happens.

Plus, these other factors. But it doesn't matter because President Obama and the people that write for him operate not on facts, but emotional pleas untethered by truth and this happens in gender pay inequality, and climate change hysteria and race baiting. Facts are the bodies that you bury in the basement when you want to make an emotional plea.

And, sadly, it works.

TANTAROS: Dana, what about that from a communications standpoint? Because we can do these segments on the show, but the president is just hoping is that the message people will take home, all right, Republicans are against equal pay for women and President Obama is for it. Is this tough for Republicans to fight even though the math doesn't add up?

PERINO: Yes, I don't think we should -- no one should underestimate the power of the White House to deliver a message. And in particular with new ways of communication delivering direct to consumer. So, young women in this regard.

You mentioned that this is like -- this is his thing this year. It's actually every two years, the Democrats do this. I think we did this story last year and the year before when President Obama was leading up to his re-election. I think facts are the thing that are the most important. I worked at the White House. I got paid the same as my male counterparts and I would have expected nothing less but I know that a lot of women and men fought for me to have that right leading up to now.

TANTAROS: And I think the tweet of the day, at least from my standpoint, goes to our Ed Henry. Jennifer Palmieri, who's the White House communications director, yes, they had this woman tweet this out. She says, "Love all these guys" but note six of the seven news organizations, Eric, sitting in the front row were men, and Ed Henry sent, "Yes, but White House sent out a man to answer these questions," which is pretty good.

BOLLING: So, poor Major Garrett is going to be fired for calling out the White House.

I'll do the math for you, President Obama. Are you ready? A couple of quick numbers. We pointed out, Major Garrett pointed out, $88,000 versus $76,000. So, men at the White House are paid more, women are paid 88 cents on the dollar.

I have another one for you. When President Obama was Senator Obama, last year, 2008, he paid his men $57,000 on average per year, the women 70 percent of that, $45,000 ballpark or so.

And how about this one? You want to talk about jobs? Of all the jobs President Obama claims to have created since he started, almost 4 million of them, only 38.5 percent are women. So 61.5 percent have gone to men. So there's another gender gap there.

And one more, last one, last month, the labor statistics came out, the unemployment rate, 180,000 women -- 180,000 women lost their jobs last month alone.

TANTAROS: Our own Brit Hume calls this political audacity. And I agree with him. Listen to Brit respond to the president who doesn't pay his women as much as he pays his men last night on Fox.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRIT HUME, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: President Obama, he may be lacking in some things but surely not in political audacity. Again today, as you heard, he was giving the issue of income inequality a work-out. He was focusing on a particular aspect of the issue, the supposed pay gap between men and women.

Studies have shown that when you get past the superficial truth, the average pay for women is less than that for men. The pay gap begins to evaporate. That doesn't make for much of a political issue. But don't expect Mr. Obama and his allies to abandon the issue any time soon. They no doubt still believe it, and there's a congressional election only months away.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: All right, so they are running, Bob, it looks like the same political playbook they've run with the war on women, but isn't it embarrassing that the president doesn't pay women as much as he pays men and then uses the same excuse for why he doesn't pay them as every other economist who explains the pay gap?

BECKEL: They take all the women in the White House on the payroll and all the men, and then we they take a median income. I worked in the White House as well.

For example, the White House operators are all women. They don't get paid as much as the people on the economic council. The maids are all women, for the most part, although the (inaudible) are men. There are a lot of women who work in jobs in that White House that are people who are not getting paid the same level as people who work in the West Wing. It is true. Maybe they should. Maybe they should make $80,000 or $100,000, but when you average it out, it's not at all surprising.

BOLLING: Shouldn't that be the same for the -- for the -- for the national statistics?

PERINO: That's actually -- what you are saying, Bob, is actually what the companies across America are saying is that they believe, too, that that's what they -- they want that kind of flexibility, so that they can -- they can determine based on their market value, what somebody's skill level is, experience, years worked, all of that.

I actually think the Republicans -- kind of talk about the challenge the Republicans have on this is not just the fact that the president has a bully pulpit. It's trying to say that, you know what, there's a better way for all sorts of things, not just for flex time for women, which is Kelly Ayotte's bill -- the senator. I think that's a good one.

But corporate tax reform, lower taxes, a flatter tax, an energy bill that actually makes sense, those are the types of thing that actually would help everybody, in particular women, because the freer flow of capital to women who want to start businesses is the best way to help them erase the gender gap.

TANTAROS: And if you look at the facts, Greg, basically, it's women are making more than they ever have with men. It's when they decide to have children and leave the workforce, which was actually a Pew study today that showed that more women are staying home, that that's when you have the pay disparity.

GUTFELD: As you know, I am for flex time at the gym.

(LAUGHTER)

But the problem with -- thank you. President Obama listens to activists with no experience in business. They have no concept of workplace because their place of employment is the picket line. If they actually ran a business, they would understand that women choose jobs often for the flexibility that it entails. So instead, they demonize, they demonstrate, then they decimate without any experience. And the truth reveals their failings.

BECKEL: They all do.

GUTFELD: They all do.

BECKEL: They all do. OK, I want to be sure we got that.

TANTAROS: This isn't done to help women. This is just done to use them.

Directly ahead, the IRS targeting scandal reaches a boiling point as Republican law makers demand answers from Lois Lerner. So should she end up getting thrown in prison? Explosive new details when we come back.

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PERINO: Contrary to what some Democrats have been saying about the IRS targeting liberal groups as well as conservative groups, sworn testimony from IRS employees to the House Oversight Committee paints a different picture.

Among the revelations, only seven progressive, or liberal, applications were reviewed. Those seven groups were not subject to any enhanced scrutiny. And documents point to Lois Learner as being responsible. Things might actually get worse for Ms. Lerner as Republican law makers on the House Ways and Means Committee are now considering referring the former IRS official to the Department of Justice for possible criminal prosecution.

And last night, Megyn Kelly had an interview with Speaker John Boehner, and he addressed this issue.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOHN BOEHNER, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: I want to know who is going to jail. Somebody at the IRS violated the law. I made clear Lois Lerner was either going to tell us the truth or we were going to hold her in contempt. And if she's not going to tell us the truth, we are going to hold her in contempt. The House will vote. The House will hold her in contempt.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: So the new development, Andrea, is that you have the sworn testimony from IRS employees who had to go up to the House committee and, under oath, give information to the committee in which they're saying that there were no liberal groups targeted, which we've tried to say that before. But now you have sworn testimony. What do you make of that?

TANTAROS: Well, as much as I think this woman did commit crimes, I just don't see holding her in contempt of Congress as being, in her estimation or holder (ph) to the president's (ph), that big of a deal. They seem to act with impunity. And they can do it. I mean, the president can pardon her if he wants. The attorney general of the United States Eric Holder, in fact, has been held in contempt of Congress, and nothing happened to him.

What bothers me is that, you know, we are now, as a nation, relying more and more on government than ever. Yet we're not demanding any accountability from it. And the same people that went nutso over Watergate, which makes this look like a puny little scandal, are not saying that much about it. And I applaud the Republicans for keeping on it because it is a big deal.

But you look at what this administration has done. It's not negligence. This is malfeasance. The Associated Press, targeting a Fox News reporter James Rosen . I mean, does anyone really think Dinesh D'Souza was targeted for any other reason other than his anti-Obama video? But I think they act and they feel that they are above the law, and they can be. It's because no one seems to care. We cover it here at this network. No one else seems to care about it.

PERINO: Do you think, Eric, that it's possible that President Obama really believes that there is not a smidgen of corruption in this whole deal, that, like, everything was above board? Even maybe -- wasn't criminal behavior. But do you think that he really believes that there was nothing untoward happening?

BOLLING: I think he has to know what was going on. Just like Chris Christie probably knew what was that going on with the bridge scandal. But there's that plausible deniability. As long as they don't actually bring it to the White House and they don't hand it -- put the memo on his desk, he can say, "I really didn't know what was going on."

Andrea is right. I sat down with Darrell Issa about a year ago. And I said, "How come all these people come to the Hill, they raise their right hand, they take the oath, and then they lie? And we find out later that they lie, and then we don't hear about them anymore. We don't see a perp walk."

And he said, here's the way they work in Congress. They swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And then if they lie and we find out, they get the opportunity to correct the record, so what they'll do is they'll write a letter. They'll correct their lie. And then it excuses their contempt of Congress. It goes away. But no one ever picks it up. No one ever puts it on TV and says, you know, we're going to hold you accountable for lying and put you in some sort of, I don't know, lock-up somewhere.

They don't do that. They're just -- and that's the part -- there is politics at its ugly worst, where a Republicans and Democrats, honestly both sides do it, they get up on the Hill, the cameras go on, and they get all, "We're going to do this," and then nothing ever comes of it because it's all for show.

PERINO: Do you think there's any chance that this new development actually --

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bob just sighed.

PERINO: There are five people. I'm trying to get to everybody.

BECKEL: I'm sorry.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Anyway, Greg, why don't you get to go -- you go first. And I don't even know what I was going to ask you. Oh, I know. Do you think that this new development actually gets us any closer to the truth? Or do you think it just keeps going until November?

GUTFELD: Well, I'm going to make Bob sigh really loud because the end result of ignoring the targeting of people is Venezuela. There is a violent implosion over socialism, but the American media rolls their eyes because their side is perpetrating the repression.

Imagine if the Venezuelan government was a conservative government. You would have the media sending an army. So what you are seeing here with the IRS is a larger picture about a segment of society, conservatives, being targeted by the government for questioning the government with the tacit approval of the media. The media has more puppets than Mr. Roger's neighborhood, which is why you're never going to see this go anywhere. And FNC will continue to be mocked for covering these stories, or Benghazi, the DOJ. We will always be mocked for this when all we're really doing is their damn job.

PERINO (?): All right, Bob. Let it all out.

BECKEL: All right, let me make a couple of points. Let me start by the fact that Darrell Issa is a failed chairman. Here's a guy that has had -- over 100 some odd days --

BOLLING: Wait, why are you taking a shot at Darrell?

BECKEL: Excuse me, can I finish what I'm saying?

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Would you let me finish what I'm saying?

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: -- nothing to do with Darrell Issa.

BECKEL: You want to defend the son of a bitch? Go ahead.

BOLLING: I'm not! I said both sides do it. I said --

BECKEL; No. Listen, let me just put it this way. Issa has held hearing after hearing after hearing. He's used his staff to investigate, investigate. And all they've got is Lois Lerner maybe, maybe doing this. They have nothing back at the White House. The implication of course is it goes back to the White House, which is also b.s. They can't prove that. And I think -- you know the other reason why there are a lot more conservative groups? The number of the flooding of tea party applications was enormous that year, and there weren't that many progressive groups being flooded in there. Darrell Issa is a fool and a terrible chairman.

PERINO: So Bob, that is the new talking point? So you get -- you get to say things like, oh, all the liberal groups are targeted, too. But now presented with evidence and sworn testimony from IRS employees, now you get to say -- oh, I didn't really mean that?

BECKEL: (inaudible) progressive groups admitted application versus tea party groups.

TANTAROS: First of all, this isn't too outlandish, Bob. Lois Lerner, when she worked for the SCC, also had some misdealings of targeting Republicans deliberately. She has a history of doing this. It's why she was (inaudible) in that job. And a couple of weeks ago, they found a memo from Lois Lerner to her staff talking about very detailed increased scrutiny for conservative groups. You know the truth on this.

BECKEL: Wait a minute. Why doesn't Issa come up with something after all this time?

(CROSSTALK)

Because he doesn't know what he's doing.

BOLLING: Let me ask you this. What about all the Senate panels, all the Senate committees that do the same darn thing and they're headed by Democrats, and nothing comes out of those either?

BECKEL: Have you seen an investigation on the Senate side --

BOLLING: I would love to, but they won't do it.

BECKEL: Won't do what?

BOLLING: They won't investigate the IRS. They won't investigate Benghazi.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Democrats won the Senate, Bob.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL; You tell me -- you tell me how many hearings -- can you tell me what Issa has gotten after all these hearings on all these different things?

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: I'll plead the 5th.

BECKEL: Nothing.

PERINO: Hoisted on his own petard. All right, up next --

GUTFELD (?): What is petard anyway?

PERINO: Petard? I'll explain it in a minute.

Remember the 80s shampoo commercial that said, "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful?" Well, now heartthrob -- Hollywood heartthrob Rob Lowe is singing that same tune, but does the former brat packer has a right to complain about being cursed with good looks? Greg's take on the Ugly Truth about being beautiful after the break.

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GUTFELD: Turn out petard is a hoisting machine. I had no idea.

PERINO (?): No, that's not what it is.

GUTFELD: All right. Let us welcome a new class of victims to the aggrieved. The gorgeous actor Rob Lowe says having good looks makes it much harder to succeed, finally someone who speaks for me. The dimpled dumpling told "The New York Times," quote, "There's this unbelievable bias and prejudice against 'good looking people', that they can't be in pain or they can't have rough lives or be deep or interesting. I'm getting to play those parts now, but when I was a teen idol, I wouldn't have taken myself seriously."

I hear you. It wasn't until I was 40 people that people actually listened to me. And even now, my good looks can be distracting, right, Dana?

PERINO: Yes.

GUTFELD: But prejudice? Please. If Rob Lowe wasn't hot, he would be Chad Lowe. Good looking people have it easy. It's the looks challenged who are the real aggrieved. The homely don't have an edge in interviews or dating or orphanages. This is why they are the great inventors. Because they must try harder. Brad Pitt would never come up with a snuggy because he's too busy being hot.

See, the inspiration for achievement is the opposite of cute, acne. You think Kiss put on make-up to hide their chiseled good looks? Have you seen Gene Simmons without it?

So if you think you're unattractive, remember this, your not hot looks are designed to unleash your hidden strengths to prevent you from coasting through life. If you look like Rob Lowe, you wouldn't do what you are about to do next, which is something far, far greater than whining.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A little moral there.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: What are you laughing at? You're the petard.

All right. Andrea, does Rob Lowe have a point? His gorgeousness has him dismissed as a lightweight.

TANTAROS: He was really pretty. He's right --

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: -- when he was growing up. I had a crush on him. However, the issue for Rob Lowe is he was about 15 years too early on the sex tape scene.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

TANTAROS: That's his problem. If he would have come out with a sex tape now, he would be an even bigger star. I don't feel sorry for him. I actually thought when you first this around earlier today that it was an article in "The Onion." It reminded me of the story that said the unemployment rate for hot chicks is zero. So no, I don't feel bad because hot people have it easy.

GUTFELD: Eric, you are gorgeous.

BOLLING: Yeah.

GUTFELD: Same say too gorgeous.

BOLLING: At times.

GUTFELD: Should you have special rights that protect you from discrimination?

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: No, but look in his industry, I mean, that's -- the only reason why we're even talking about him is because he was good looking in the first place. He got the role. He got the other role. I'm not sure where we're going with this. We talk about gender inequality. We've talked about racial inequality. Now, this is --

TANTRAOS (?): Hotness inequality. It's a huge problem.

BOLLING: Is the White House going to bring Rob Lowe and say, hey, listen, we're going to have this discussion about hotness equal pay for hotness.

PERINO: No one in Washington really has that problem.

(LAUGHTER)

TANTAROS (?): Yeah, it's like Hollywood for ugly people.

GUTFELD (?): Is it really?

PERONI (?): Yeah, that's what people say.

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GUTFELD: Yeah, it's hard to -- well, anyway, Bob, you are considered sexy in many arenas.

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: Yeah, really. I just want to say to Rob Lowe, I -- I've achieved a lot in my life being ugly, OK? Now, if I had your looks, big boy, I think I would have gotten even more, maybe got more money, maybe something else. Listen to you whine -- your sex tape was lousy, number one. And what you really ought to do is take your money and shove it.

PERINO: OK, until last week, I had never heard of this thing about a sex tape and Rob Lowe. All right?

GUTFELD: We should stop talking about it because its the dinner hour.

PERINO: OK, right. So I don't know anything about it.

GUTFELD; It's the early bird special.

PERINO: I don't think he's whiny. I think he's just being honest.

GUTFELD: Yeah, I agree.

PERINO: He's cute and honest. There, that's fine.

BECKEL: You think he was funny because he was good looking?

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GUTFLED: What he was, he was stereotyped pretty boy roles. You can't play a serial killer when you're that good looking.

BOLLING: He's in trouble, because yesterday we talked about how he was stereotyped for being conservative -- or turned conservative. Now he's hot -- well, he's not going --

TANATROS: But that is kind of whining, because if he wasn't hot, he wouldn't get any roles, so he's whining about the roles that he wants when the market's just dictating, listen, hottie, you have to play other roles not serial killers.

GUTFELD: Yeah, does he really want the Steve Buscemi roles?

PERINO: No, like, what other roles would you want?

TANTAROS: Listen, Steve Buscemi roles would have not had him in a hotel room with two 16-year-olds. You know what I'm saying?

GUTFELD: All right, well, we'll end on that note.

Coming up, I think he was 18 at the time.

PERINO (?): I think it was one 16-year-old.

GUTFELD: Who knows? I can't count that high.

It was a big night for UConn, as the Huskies were crowned at some important game I didn't watch because there was a "Sex and the City" marathon. The jubilation, however, quickly got out of control as riots erupted and dozens were arrested. The latest on the frenzy next.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that one's off. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) for five seconds! The most incredible play. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

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BECKEL: That was UConn winning the NCAA national championship last night in a stunning victory over Kentucky. The Huskies shocked the college basketball world, coming out on top after being No. 7 seed. The celebration (ph) took a turn for the worse as more than 30 people were arrested in riots following the big game. UConn fans smashed windows in an engineering building, broke streetlights and overturned furniture inside the school's student union.

Greg, you wanted to comment on this.

GUTFELD: Why can't all of us do this? Like, if I got a raise, can I go -- go outside and turn over a car? Hurray, I got a raise.

This is not...

PERINO: If you were stronger.

GUTFELD: How mean. This is not a real achievement. You didn't play the game. You're a fan. You can't go out and turn things over. This is stupid. Mindless rioting is a replacement for your own lack of achievement. You're disgusting.

BOLLING: Unless they're green cars...

GUTFELD: If they're smart cars and you toss them over...

BECKEL: I don't know of a single town or city that's won an NCAA championship there hasn't been someone close to riots after.

GUTFELD: Because they let it happen.

BECKEL: Well, they may let it happen, but...

GUTFELD: Acceptance breeds bad behavior.

BECKEL: It's not actually Connecticut. But I believe there's a more important story here. The Connecticut guard, Shabazz Napier -- I guess is how you pronounce his name -- said a few days before the final game that he was having a hard time eating, because he had no money, because he doesn't -- he's not able to work because he has to spend so much time in practice. This gets back to the question, should we be paying these guys? What do you think, Eric?

BOLLING: I find it very hard to believe that Mr. Napier is having a hard time eating. I mean, I was a college athlete, as well. Got a scholarship. And the people, there's plenty of opportunities. I think the point he's trying to make is he sees his jersey being sold for $80 or $100. The program bringing in tens of millions if not hundreds of millions, in the case of football, and they're not paid anything yet. But listen, they know what they're going into when they -- when they sign up and get the education Mr. Napier, and millions of dollars in the NBA.

BECKEL: You know how much money they made for the University of Connecticut last night doing that? I mean, it's ridiculous. What do you think, Andrea?

BOLLING: Well, you know, I actually think that there is a problem with a lot of these students who come from very low-income families, below the poverty line. A lot of African-American families. And they're really not getting that education they came to get, because they spend most of their time on athletics that make millions and millions of dollars for the NCAA, for the school and the coaches.

Then these guys get out, and they're saying, "Oh, well, they have their college degree." Well, a lot of these guys are saying, "Listen, let me go pro. Let me use this opportunity to make money while I have the shot, provide for my family if I want to." Again, I'm not saying unionize, but there has to be a discussion about the disproportionate amount of money that the schools and the NCAA make. And these guys, who are working for, you know, a scholarship, where they're not really getting the education, and the school's making all the money.

BOLLING: It's their own fault that they're not getting an education.

TANTAROS: Well, then let them go -- let them go pro if they want to go pro, right out of high school.

BECKEL: Wait a second. Dana, what do you think? You think these guys ought to get paid at least a stipend every month?

PERINO: Well, I think they should have a meal plan in the dorm. Like, that's what I had. I had a three-meal plan. My parents paid for that until my senior year, when I only needed two meals a day, breakfast and dinner. I think that there are ways for the school to be able to address the situation like this, rather than just all of a sudden saying, "Let's pay them. I'm unionizing."

BECKEL: Well, I think they should pay by need. As Andrea said, a lot of these kids very -- they come from very poor families.

PERINO: Well, that's why I'm saying a meal plan.

TANTAROS: They get -- they get the kids to train and get the experience on the cheap. And then by the time they do go to the pros, if they're not injured, they still get to pay them for very little money.

BECKEL: All I can say is the University of Connecticut and NCAA are laughing all the way to the bank. "One More Thing" is up next.

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BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing." I'll kick it off. Two of my favorite people in the world, Sarah Palin and Jon Stewart, got together to help returning veterans coming back from service. Watch.

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JON STEWART, HOST, COMEDY CENTRAL'S "THE DAILY SHOW": Sarah, we don't agree on much.

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BOLLING: Good job to both of those.

Dana, you're up.

PERINO: OK. I had an awesome time last night. I wanted to share it. I went to Joe's Pub, and I saw the wonderfully talented Levi Lowrey and Clay Cook. They're playing joint shows together, all up and down the East Coast. They may be coming to a place near you. Listen to them sing "Colder Weather" last night.

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LEVI LOWREY, MUSICIAN (singing): Still don't see you. I'm stuck in colder weather. Maybe tomorrow will be better. Can't call you then.

CLAY COOK, MUSICIAN (singing): Still don't see you. I'm stuck in colder weather. Maybe tomorrow will be better. Can't call you then.

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PERINO: It was a great night. They both are solo artists, and they're songwriters, as well. I got to meet up with Levi before. And so I encourage you to check them out. And they're going to check "Red Eye" out tonight. They're "Red Eye" fans. And I'm going to be on that show with this guy but also, most importantly, with Nick Searcy of "Justified."

BOLLING: You're up, brother.

GUTFELD: Oh, yes.

TANTAROS: Sound really excited.

GUTFELD; Well, you know what? Thanks to "The Five," I am No. 5 on the New York Times best seller list.

BECKEL: Above Bill O'Reilly.

GUTFELD: Yes. I just surpassed "Killing Jesus." But he's been there forever. Bill's been there forever. His books are doing amazing. But I'm right there.

You know who's at No. 1 right now? It rhymes with Sherry Anna Muffington.

TANTAROS: Wow. A book about how you don't need to make money to be happy.

GUTFELD: Exactly. Don't by a billionaire. Get me to No. 1, America, so I can laugh at Arianna Huffington.

BOLLING: Very good, very good. I'm sure Bill's going to really love that. And, you're up.

TANTAROS: OK. I just want to say again happy birthday to my mom. She came across a pretty big milestone birthday. So me and my siblings surprised her with a trip to Puerto Rico, and that's where we were the last couple of days. There's my sister and I toasting our mom, who is just the best in the world.

There are our smallest "Five" fans.

PERINO: Cute.

TANTAROS: Those are my nephews, and they rocked their T-shirts and hats all over the pool.

And we get to meet the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I'm a huge fan, so they walked into the lobby, and I almost fainted. They have a no photo policy. So everyone's been asking us, "Where's the photos?" Got to talk to Anthony Kiedis and Flea.

We went to the concert in San Juan and had a great time. There's a picture from the show. So it was a great time. And after a year of what was pretty hard for the whole family, we had a lot of laughs together. That's my sister and brother on either side of me. That's the show.

So happy birthday, Mom. You are No. 1.

BOLLING: Very cool. Happy birthday, Mrs. T.

Bob, you're up.

BECKEL: Republican Representative Vance McAllister of Louisiana, who ran on family values in his race for election. Let's show Mr. McAllister with one of his staffers here. There he is. Yes. He's going to move right in. That's really family values. That's good, Congressmen.

PERINO: You know the most outrageous thing about that, Bob?

BECKEL: What?

PERINO: They fired her today.

BECKEL: I know. That's amazing. But McAllister has a wife and children, and congratulations for being a pig.

TANTAROS: Can we agree that both sides do it?

BECKEL: No. This...

GUTFELD: Hilary is going to be the nominee, and she stood by her pig.

BOLLING: All right. Going to have to leave it there. Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode "The Five." We'll see you back here tomorrow.

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