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Will Obama keep Prayer Breakfast promise in Saudi Arabia?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 28, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Brian Kilmeade.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."

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TANTAROS: Last month, President Obama made this declaration at the National Prayer Breakfast.

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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Promoting religious freedom is a key objective of U.S. foreign policy. And I'm proud that no nation on earth does more to stand up for the freedom of religion around the world than the United States of America.

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TANTAROS: He said promoting religious freedom abroad is a priority for America. Now, today, he is abroad in Saudi Arabia, and a lot of people including a bipartisan group of lawmakers wanted the president to address human rights issues such as the kingdom's history of abuse against Christians, but according to senior administration officials, that issue wasn't brought up.

Eric, is this really a big shot that the president didn't bring it up? I mean, you think back to his Cairo speech when he had the opportunity to speak to the Muslim world about the atrocities against Christians, against women, against gays. He didn't do it then. Why would he do it now?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I can't imagine why he would do it now. Again, we talk about leading from behind, leading from behind. This would be taking a step forward and addressing some of the things that he's probably should be, as Dana points out, at least bringing up. You don't have to have a long conversation about it.

At least bring it up. I'm not sure what goes on behind closed doors with the president. He comes out of the meeting with the pope. He says one thing, the pope says the other.

He has an opportunity to sit down and talk to Saudi Arabia. I don't know. Did he bow? Does anyone know if he bowed? I'm not sure if they have him bowing or not.

Here's the issue about Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is very concerned with Syria. They're extremely concerned with Syria. They wanted President Obama to do something to help the rebels in Syria. He decided not to. The pope is happy he didn't. Saudi Arabia wants him to.

He's all over the map on foreign policy right now. He doesn't know who he's going to say yes, I should, no, I shouldn't. And bottom line is the Middle East is getting very nervous with President Obama's indecision on a lot of things.

TANTAROS: Dana, Saudi Arabia, I don't have to tell you, spends billions of dollars funding Wahhabism, which is a very anti-West philosophy. Is it shocking, though, that the president would have an opportunity maybe to talk about radical Islam and misses it? I mean, in a place like Saudi Arabia that's so clearly promotes propaganda that's anti- west?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, I maybe take a slightly different viewpoint on it in that I think that the current king, despite all the things that we all see every day, I think he is at least more mild mannered and modern than in the past. And also, more than other family members that he has to try to manage as they try to hold together their country. And the most important thing to them is stability, right? To him, I think to the kingdom.

It is possible that Barack Obama talked to him about radical Islam and the concern about terrorism, but did not bring up a specific religious freedom in the kingdom because if you're a Christian there, you have to pray in private or else you will be -- you could be arrested by their religious police, put in jail, or worse.

I think that in addition to the Syria problem, the bigger one is actually on the minds of the Saudis is Iran. But they see Syria and what's happening there as part of a larger problem happening in Iran. There's another issue that happened on this trip that I understand that the White House weighed in strongly in favor of a "Jerusalem Post" reporter who was traveling with the president on his trip, and the Saudis denied him a visa and did not allow him to come into the country.

Susan Rice, the national security adviser, and also some at the State Department did apparently make a personal appeal on his behalf, but the president did not. Not only do you have religious freedom, but you have press freedom as well. Two hot topics on the minds of all of us, but the one -- the issue that was most important to Barack Obama in my opinion is probably the reparation of the relationship when it comes to Iran and Syria because despite all our differences, we do have a strong alliance with the Saudis.

TANTAROS: Bob, you have been very vocal on the show about radical Islam. You worked in the State Department, so you know Saudi Arabia is very hostile towards Christians. They have this no church policy.

What do you think if you're advising President Obama? How should he handle a meeting like this, even though he's hesitant to even acknowledge that radical Islam is a threat?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Let's put it this way -- every president, every modern president, when they head off to meet with the head of the Saudis, are always encouraged to bring up human rights. That's something that's been almost -- it's a fixed bill. In this case, you've got a country that sponsors Wahhabism and pays for them to keep them off their back door, and essentially sponsors these schools in Pakistan that breed terrorists.

TANTAROS: That's right.

BECKEL: I would bet you that he did bring up terrorism.

The thing that bothers me is not just -- maybe he did, I don't know, but the fact he does not speak out about the deaths of Christians. It hasn't happened in Saudi Arabia, but in a lot of other places by people who Saudi Arabia probably could influence, I think that's a terrible mistake.

TANTAROS: And, Brian, he hasn't done it when it comes to persecution of Christians in Egypt or anywhere in the world. I mean, he had that press conference at the White House when he was, you know, talking about the Middle East. He had an opportunity to talk about the persecution of Christians. Every time, he doesn't go there. Why?

BRIAN KILMEADE, CO-HOST: I think there's very good reason. Number one, he put them on the map, put them on the flight schedule because they basically are threatening to break relations off with us. That's how bad it's gotten.

One thing that's apparent, when they had all those leaks, what is he, Chelsea Manning now? What was -- I'm not sure. The man is a woman.

BECKEL: Bradley --

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TANTAROS: Bradlyn.

KILMEADE: When they leaked all that stuff out, you know what was apparent? We weren't the bad guys. The Saudis are more concerned about Iran during all this time that we were in the Bush years. So, they were pushing us to act and basically be their shield.

BECKEL: Who's going to break up --

KILMEADE: So, then the -- Iran, now that we have this ridiculous deal with Iran, they were about to broker peace, got a year to cut this deal, the Saudis are beside themselves. They're like, are you kidding me? How could you trust these guys?

BOLLING: I will tell you who else is besides themselves. Not only the Saudis, our good friends, our ally, the Israelis are losing it right now. They can't figure out what's going on with President Obama. Why we're letting the Iranians play -- why President Obama is letting the Iranians play us the way they are.

They're still building centrifuges. They're still enriching uranium to the point where it's military capability. They say they're not, but they are.

The whole Middle East, the friends, the Saudis and Israelis, people who we should be making more comfortable, are going what are you doing? What's wrong? What's your policy? Because it's certainly not working for us.

KILMEADE: They're going to end up building -- they're going to build a nuclear -- they're going to be a nuclear nation soon.

BECKEL: Well, that's not going to happen because I think the United States is going to have to do, and if we waited long enough, and I hate to say this, but it's time for us to join Israel and militarily take out their capability to do that. They're getting that close.

BOLLING: But he's going the wrong way.

BECKEL: We don't know which way he's going.

BOLLING: We don't know which way Obama is going?

BECKEL: Yes, we don't know --

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BOLLING: -- to enrich uranium.

BECKEL: We don't know what's going on in the background. These things -- most of these things -- particularly in the Mideast, a lot of this stuff gets done in the background and is not for public consumption. What people say was said in the meetings, you can take it with a grain of salt.

BOLLING: We lifted sanctions that were probably working.

BECKEL: It's probably worthwhile to lift sanctions to see how far the Iranians are willing to go, and what we found out so far is they're not willing to go very far.

BOLLING: I hope you're right.

BECKEL: If they don't, by the end of this one year, I think it's time to take military action.

TANTAROS: Dana, the president also argued for disarming our nuclear weapons or our missile defense system because he argued that Iran was not a threat. I'm referring to this because of Russia. We don't know exactly what's going on in Russia, but Vladimir Putin seemingly is moving his troops in. President Obama gave an interview to CBS's Scott Pelley, and he said he thinks Putin is nostalgic for the Soviet Union.

I want you to listen and then react.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think he's been willing to show a -- a deeply held grievance about what he considers to be the loss of the Soviet Union. I think there's a strong sense of Russian nationalism, and a sense that somehow the West has taken advantage of Russia in the past, and that he wants to in some fashion, you know, reverse that or make up for that.

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TANTAROS: All right. So telling the Russians that he's going to be more flexible after the election, disarming the missiles, drawing red lines that he's not enforcing. All of this seems like a bit of a provocation to someone like --

PERINO: What's interesting is the president's tone as well. It's almost -- it's not that I think he doesn't believe it, but I sort of feel like because of no drama Obama, like, does anything get him agitated?

KILMEADE: Can we get him a cup of coffee?

PERINO: Some confidence and some strength, you know -- and I don't think that we are refighting the Cold War. But I do think that what we're seeing now is residue from the Cold War. And as happens with most second terms for every president, foreign policy becomes something that even though President Obama wants to focus on domestic policy and raising the federal minimum wage, we have live action happening in Ukraine and Russia, possibly more, and then you have the situation with Middle East and Iran and Saudi, and then you got the problems with China.

So, foreign policy will end up having to dominate the administration in the second half.

BECKEL: But we shouldn't assume that nothing is being done. First of all, we did dismantle the missiles. That's a START agreement. Both sides have been on this. But having said that, I think the people who are now most frightened are the poles and for good reason.

I mean, what's going to happen is that Putin probably is going to take part of Ukraine that is not in the Crimean peninsula and for this reason -- their pipelines are going through there. They're worried the pipelines are going to be sabotaged. I would not be surprised if he comes up and says, all right, we're going to defend the pipelines.

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BOLLING: That was a discussion -- we thought he was not going to go - -

BECKEL: No, no, I never said that.

PERINO: Yes, you did.

BECKEL: I did?

PERINO: You did. That's when I lost my temper that night.

BECKEL: OK, then I withdraw what I said because I think --

PERINO: Because there are developments and Putin is looking to see where are the openings. How far is President Putin going to be able to go before President Obama does more, and what more can we do?

BECKEL: I think he's going to try to protect his pipelines. That's what I think --

PERINO: I agree.

KILMEADE: He's going to cut off access, possibly, to the Black Sea from anyone in Kiev, which is a nonstarter.

By the next time this at 5:00, by Monday at 5:00 Eastern Time, they could be in eastern Ukraine. They don't have 60,000 troops just sitting by the border flipping cards and hanging out.

BECKEL: What would you do about it?

KILMEADE: They have to think about it. If you're looking at that interview and wondering, trying to catch America's tone and how much we'll tolerate, what do you walk away with that interview? The president couldn't even --

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BECKEL: What would you? Would you commit U.S. troops?

KILMEADE: I would find a way to let them know --

BECKEL: Find a way?

KILMEADE: How is it going so far?

PERINO: You could show military might without troops on the ground.

BOLLING: I'm going to take the side of bob until today, where everything was going fine until now. If Putin does make a move into other parts of Ukraine other than Crimea, then you have another story. But I would certainly go with economic sanctions. I certainly would not put one boot on the ground in that country.

TANTAROS: We keep talking about economic sanctions, we keep talking about boots on the ground, while Putin is assembling real armies that could march. Guess what the State Department is doing?

Take a look at this --

PERINO: This is unbelievable/

TANTAROS: -- very strong statement in the form of a selfie by Jen Psaki, who is a State Department spokeswoman. Could we get that picture? The selfie photo, there it is. She says, to echo Barack Obama today, proud to stand Ukraine for Ukraine. World should stand together with one voice.

I mean, if you're Vladimir Putin, Brian, what are you thinking? Should we have a marker treaty here?

KILMEADE: Well, that's --

TANTAROS: What does that say?

KILMEADE: That's unbelievable. She doesn't back off and say, well, that was stupid. Instead, she doubles down and says hashtag is the new black.

But let me ask you this. If you want to know what to do exactly to send a message, I would immediately stop with the MREs that haven't arrived. I would start sending some arms to Ukraine. They're our friends. They're our allies, a non-NATO nation, number one.

Number two, I would make it clear, a major announcement before I left overseas, maybe not in Saudi Arabia but prior, that we're going to start doing massive -- we're going to accelerate our natural gas exports.

BOLLING: We can't do that.

KILMEADE: Why can't we do that?

BOLLING: This whole notion, on the right, especially on the right, saying hurry up, President Obama, allow natural gas permits, liquefied natural gas. We'll never be able to do that.

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BOLLING: Here's what you have to do, hold on. If you take natural gas, you liquefy it, put it on a ship, send it anywhere in Eastern Europe, anywhere in Europe, for that matter. All Russia has to do is say, really, are you kidding me? You want to pay X, I'll undercut it. It will never be economically feasible.

KILMEADE: Say, we're not buying your gas.

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BECKEL: The United States Senate passed very strong economic restrictions on the Soviet Union, the House will follow, and the World Monetary Fund just gave Ukraine $14.5 billion. Now, that's a pretty good chunk of money, and my guess is that weapons are going in.

KILMEADE: All we can do is what we know. They say they're not. So, why don't we tell them it's going in?

BECKEL: That's what we said about Afghanistan when the Russians were there.

TANTAROS: Hold on. Dana, where do you come down on this? Because at this -- I'm not kidding here. I mean, I would prefer that President Obama focus on March Madness, maybe help the first lady plan her next junket.

The last thing I want is for him to draw a line that he's not committed to cross, stumbling into another war with the Russians. That's my take. Watch "House of Cards" suck your thumb, I don't care what you do. I think that hard men in capital cities have taken notice. This is too dangerous and he should stay out.

PERINO: I disagree because I think the president should forget all of that other stuff, stop the selfies, stop the pop culture and stop all the little "Between Two Ferns" and things like that, and focus exclusively on it. I just have two things to say since I was allowing you to have your argument.

First of all, I think in a leadership position, you need two basic things. You can have one or the other. Preferably both, and it's trust and fear. If you don't have either, if no one trusts you and no one fears you, then you're not in a leadership position.

So there's a short range and a long term thing President Obama should do in my opinion. One is start to repair trust, like I assume he was trying to do in Saudi, and also even with the pope yesterday.

On the short range, immediate thing, what I think the United States should be doing this weekend is helping the Ukrainians prepare for what I think they're going to see are spontaneous protests of Russian native speakers living in Ukraine who all of a sudden say, they want a referendum, too. And there will be crazy protests and the Ukrainian government suffering under this weakness and not sure if we're going to help them beyond MREs. We ought to be able to figure out some way, either through the CIA or State Department to help them protect themselves from protests that are going to lead to an escalation.

KILMEADE: Which should be manufactured?

PERINO: Yes.

KILMEADE: Manufactured protests.

TANTAROS: All right. We'll keep an eye on it.

BECKEL: They don't want eastern Ukraine, they want more of the --

TANTAROS: We'll be watching it. They have their eye on the whole thing, I suspect.

Next, Chris Christie holds his first news conference since January when this bridge scandal broke. What the governor has to say about the investigation that cleared him of any involvement yesterday.

Plus, Megyn Kelly got an exclusive sit-down with him tonight. We'll show you a sneak peek exclusively, coming up.

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PERINO: One day after an internal report cleared Chris Christie of wrongdoing in his bridge scandal, the governor took to the podium to defend his investigation.

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GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: The objectivity of the report is based on two things. One, the breadth of it and the access that they had without restriction to any information they wanted. And secondly, the reputation of the six people who are running this thing. These are six former federal prosecutors who I can guarantee you have worked hard to develop the reputations that they've earned over the course of their career, and would not give away those reputations to do some kind of slipshod job for me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Megyn Kelly got an exclusive interview with the New Jersey governor that will air tonight at 9:00 p.m.

Here's Christie explaining whether he thinks the scandal will hurt his 2016 prospects.

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MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS HOST: Why should the American people trust you are a good judge of the people you should surround yourself with as public servants?

CHRISTIE: That's a really good question, and I have asked myself that over the course of the last 11 weeks. I think there are exceptions, and sometimes you make mistakes. I said all along to people in New Jersey at my town hall meetings, long before this ever happened, that this administration never promised to be perfect, but we promised to do the best we could.

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PERINO: All right. So, Andrea, I want to start with you. An internal inquiry came out yesterday. There have been inquiries before from other different entities and different governments. Do you think what they have tried to do in the last 24 hours in the Christie camp has helped put any of this behind them?

TANTAROS: Yes, the internal inquiry they did was very extensive compared with other inquiries. They have been very expansive. They listed the sources, the openness with which they let them talked to staffers, looked at text messages.

I will also say that the man who led this inquiry, Randy Mastro, is a renowned, very well-respected professional stud. I mean, he is hailed in the Northeast and beyond as somebody who gets it right, gets it right all the time, and would not compromise his reputation for anything other than the best.

Do I think it's put it to bed? No, and here's why and it's not Christie's fault. There's a media that wants to tie Chris Christie's name every time they say it to the word bridgegate. Until, Dana, we start to hear Chris Christie jobs, Chris Christie fixing ObamaCare, they're going to be explaining it. In politics, as you know, when you're explaining, you're losing.

Again, though, his staff may have espoused his personality, that's what he says. They took on a personality that disappointed him. We see it all the time in politics. It still doesn't mean that Chris Christie had anything to do with it, and there's been no proof to date showing that he has.

So, until someone gets me the proof, I believe him.

PERINO: What about the media part of that, Eric? Has the media already done irreparable damage to Chris Christie?

BOLLING: No, there's no such thing as irreparable damage in anything. I mean, you could -- I mean, there's almost literally nothing you can do and be irreparable. You can smoke marijuana in college and be part of a choom gang and still be president.

Here's the thing, though -- Andrea makes a good point. Once you start hearing Chris Christie jobs, Chris Christie --

TANTAROS: Fix ObamaCare.

BOLLING: You're not going to hear that. That's the problem. You're not going to hear Chris Christie jobs in New Jersey. You're not going to hear Chris Christie -- you may hear Chris Christie taxes because the taxes are so high and going higher, property taxes -- thank you very much, my governor, all due respect.

He's got a lot of issues. He's got a lot of issues. He's a likeable -- he's a lovable guy. The Republicans are probably going, what is going on? This guy would be perfect if he just stays out of trouble. He would be.

The problem is, if you dig deep into his policy and what is going on in the state of New Jersey, I'm not sure on a grand scale, on a national scale, you would want that going on.

TANTAROS: Bob, your advice always is when you're in a hole, stop digging and hand the consultants the shovel. What do you think?

BECKEL: Yes. Well, I'm not sure some consultants, I would, but others I wouldn't.

Listen, the best thing he could have done here instead of billing this as internal investigation was to have an independent investigation. The fact is they do -- these people are good. But they got what they were given to do their investigation. They did not have access to everything they wanted to have access to. And there's still paper out there, there's still questions.

Why they didn't go with an independent -- totally independent committee and not six former prosecutors of which he was one, baffles me.

KILMEADE: He said -- he answered that a little bit today. One of the millions of questions he took. He said, look, I'm tied to almost every New Jersey law firm. I have a relationship with all of them. These guys with their reputation, I went with them. And there's nobody who can challenge their report. If they do, come forward.

My feeling is, although you didn't ask, can I answer?

PERINO: Yes.

KILMEADE: My feeling is, unless those two people they fired comes forward and say, listen, I can't hide it anymore. He told me to do it, if that doesn't happen, this is the beginning of the turnaround. If things are going to be bad, this is the time for it to be bad.

Karl Rove was on the radio with me today and said, you can (INAUDIBLE). You can emerge as stronger from this, and he could get -- maybe this was his check, hey, I've got to keep the temper in line. I've got to not act like I do everything perfect. I have to have humility in everything I do.

And it's so early in the process, the midterms are still eight months away. I think he can turn it around. I see him sitting on the stage with the debate and having a legitimate shot to get --

TANTAROS: The bigger issue is how he's treated members of the Republican Party and how he spoke out against the Tea Party and how he's --

BOLLING: Libertarians.

TANTAROS: Yes, and libertarians and others. I mean, the way he treated Rand Paul when he asked him to have a beer wasn't the greatest. I think that is a bigger problem for him inside the tent, getting the support of the Republican Party back that he didn't think he needed when he was running for re-election. I think that that is first and foremost bigger than --

BECKEL: You may know every law firm in New Jersey, but that doesn't mean he knows every law firm in New York or Pennsylvania or Iowa or someplace else to bring people in and do an investigation.

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BOLLING: I'm sorry, Dana. Keep an eye on New Jersey taxes. Look at the economic activity in New Jersey. If that's true on a national level, Christie is probably your guy.

PERINO: And to wrap that up, one other thing you should look at is because he's head of the Republican Governors Association this year and there are many governors who are on the ticket, is Chris Christie going to put his shoulder behind raising a lot of money and helping them win elections? That will --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: It's metaphoric.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: It's football, right? I know my sports metaphor.

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: All right. Don't forget to catch Megyn's full interview with Governor Christie. That's tonight on "THE KELLY FILE" at 9:00 p.m.

And up next, Eric has your fastest seven tonight featuring Harry, Frank, and Noah. Don't go away.

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BOLLING: Welcome back to the fastest seven, everybody. Three vexing stories, seven volitious (ph) minutes, one vivacious host.

Today, a Harry, a Frank, and a Noah.

Poor old Harry Reid has gone bananas. Exactly one month ago, he said this.

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SEN. HARRY REID (D), NEVADA: We heard about the evils of ObamaCare, about the lives it's ruining, and Republican stump speeches. And those tales turned out to be just that -- tales. Stories made up from whole cloth, lies, distorted by Republicans to grab headlines or make political advertisements.

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BOLLING: All righty. Tales, stories and lies made up by Republicans. That was February 26th. Listen to Harry this week.

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REID: I have never come to the floor, to my recollection, I never said a word about any of the examples that Republicans have given ObamaCare and how it's not very good.

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BOLLING: Somebody is not telling the truth. Somebody's nose is growing. Somebody forgot we have the videotape.

Bob, how can you explain this?

BECKEL: I can explain it this way. He said in that first cut that the Republicans were taking advantage of everything they could to besmirch ObamaCare, they told lies about it. They did.

And he said and the next thing he said -- I didn't give examples of what they said. He didn't give examples. And that's the difference.

Harry Reid has a way to do this. He takes words and used them in different ways. The bottom line is Republicans are still lying about ObamaCare. And, by the way, 6 million people have now signed up for ObamaCare, and probably six and a half million by March 31st.

KILMEADE: Here's -- let me just read this -- there are plenty of horror stories told, all of them are untrue. But they're told all over America.

BECKEL: Yes.

KILMEADE: I mean, that is not just examples that were given. He's saying all the stories are untrue, and he doesn't think we have a VCR.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: He didn't give an example of what they said, did he?

KILMEADE: This is the majority leader. This is tragic.

BECKEL: How come you're not commenting on 6 million people signing up?

BOLLING: No rabbit holes right now.

Dana, is this a function of Harry Reid using the Senate floor for other than reasons it should be used? Or this is OK --

PERINO: This is a great topic actually. "The New York Times" had a front page story basically saying that the Democrat strategy between now and the end of the president's term is to use the Senate floor basically as a campaign, a way to campaign.

BECKEL: Now, that's something new.

PERINO: Yes, and they're so brazen that they even admit it. In addition, when people are backed into a corner, when they feel like they're about to lose power, when the midterms look bad for them, they'll do lots of things. Things for a staff to do if you have a boss who has a tendency to say things like Mitt Romney didn't pay his taxes and you can't pack it up, you have a responsibility not to egg him on. You have to restrain him.

But the Senate Democrats are going into the midterms with the Senate majority leader they have, not the one they would want.

BOLLING: Ands, this is only a month ago. Jon Stewart will find something you said seven years ago and use it against you. This is a month ago.

TANTAROS: Unfortunately, he has memory issues I don't think ginkgo biloba can fix. Yes, he came into office when apparently there wasn't videotape because he doesn't recall that we're taping everything they say on the Senate floor.

About using the Senate floor for a campaign, why not? He uses the Senate floor for his campaign. He uses his campaign to fund his family members.

PERINO: Yes.

TANTAROS: He's dirty Harry.

So, to Dana's point about lying, he's a projector. What he does is he says, "Mitt Romney doesn't pay his taxes," with no repercussions. Nobody holds him accountable when he lies.

Then, he can funnel money out to his family members, he can lie again. They're so comfortable lying without any kind of --

BECKEL: Do you think when the Republicans had the majority, they didn't tell lies?

TANTAROS: Bob, he's a liar plain and simple. No credibility.

BOLLING: We disagree on that one. Best drama on TV, bar none, "House of Cards." Watch.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All you're doing is making the inevitable more difficult.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's not inevitable. Claire doesn't have the votes yet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You really want to fight us on this?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't want to fight you at all. Which is why I suggested to Claire that we sit down --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I neither have the time nor the inclination to negotiate with you. Co-sponsor the bill with the damn votes. I'm no longer asking.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right. So, the script is flipped on Frank Underwood and his crew. They're getting strong armed by the state of Maryland. Lawmakers are threatening to seize "House of Cards" under eminent domain. Nobody threatens Frank Underwood like that.

Dana, what about it? So, the issue here is, "House of Cards" wants the tax breaks. The Senate, the delegates in the state of Maryland are saying, you know what? If you threaten to leave us, if you leave us, we're going to start taking your property.

PERINO: Right. So, you live by the political favors you ask for and you die by the political favors that you give.

This is a great example of why states should just have low-tax policies and not give out little favors because now if "House of Cards" wants to leave, the Democrats -- most -- he is a Democrat there, but it passed on voice vote, it's a bipartisan thing in the House of Delegates. Basically, they don't want to lose "House of Cards" and also, they have put their political futures on the line, and they counted on having that money there and the jobs, and they're about to lose it.

BOLLING: Good point. Can I take it one step further? Ands, you want to take this, jobs? Six thousand jobs, "House of Cards" has created in the state, $250 million in economic activity. I say they deserve those tax breaks.

TANTAROS: What I find ironic is here is somebody like Kevin Spacey, the 1 percent of the 1 percent, asking for a special tax cut for himself.

Listen, I think they may be able to take their equipment and actually take it because of the Kilo case, the Supreme Court Kilo case. You are a person is free from unreasonable searches and seizures up their own home, but their own home is not. So, they can come in and they might be able to actually take this guy.

BECKEL: They're shopping around for tax breaks. They're going to go to other states. All these movie companies do it. What are they going to do? Are they going to take the set --

BOLLING: I say everybody should have a tax break, 100 percent tax break for everybody.

BECKEL: Targeted tax breaks. But what do they do, take the set of the Oval Office? So what? Let them take it.

BOLLING: This is something you will note, the governor has signed it. Do you think there's any way O'Malley would ever sign this into law?

KILMEADE: Well, no, I think they're going to work out a deal prior to this because I think they gave them the precedent for this. You remember, the Baltimore Colts left in the middle of the night. I didn't know this. They left in the middle of the night because the Maryland was going to take all their equipment to prevent them from leaving.

They picked up and left in the middle of the night in 1985. They went to Minneapolis. They would do this.

BOLLING: We have to do this one super fast. Riding a wave of controversy, the epic film "Noah" is expected to bring in a whopping $40 million at the box office this weekend. More drama this morning when director Darren Aronofsky defending his film on "GMA."

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DARREN AROFNOSKY, DIRECTOR, "NOAH": What is literalism? Does literalism exist? When you're dealing with something like "Noah" where everything is a miracle from, you know, the deluge, from all the animals two by two, everything that happens is a miracle. As soon as you start to interpret it, when you cast Russell Crowe, it's an interpretation.

So, of course, there's going to be that.

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BOLLING: Your thoughts on this one?

TANTAROS: Well, I don't like how Darren Aronofsky, whatever, has been out saying this is going to be the least religious version of "Noah."

BOLLING: Least biblical.

TANTAROS: Right, the least biblical version ever. Clearly, people want values. You can watch "Star Wars" and not believe in Yoda. Why can't you watch this and maybe not agree with it, but what's wrong with a lesson of the Ten Commandments? What's wrong with "Thou shalt not steal"? What's so bad about that?

BECKEL: The religious right raised a stink about it. All it does is sell tickets.

PERINO: Noah for me has become what anchorman was to Greg. If you remember, he said that there have been so many clips about it, that you read so many articles, talked about it so much on the show, I feel like I've seen the movie and I don't have to pay to see it.

KILMEADE: If you don't want to make it biblical, make it Neil and the flood. Why bring up Noah if you don't want to be anything?

BOLLING: It's a very astute movie critic this morning on "FOX & FRIENDS" who said, hey, it's a film, not a documentary.

KILMEADE: Right.

BOLLING: I'm going to see that tomorrow actually with my son.

Ahead, the search for the missing Malaysian plane moves again. What happened and why were they focused so far away? The clock is ticking to find those black boxes.

We'll be right back.

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KILMEADE: All right. After days of searching a remote corner of the Indian Ocean for Malaysian Flight 370, the hunt abruptly moved closer to land, 700 miles away. Here's an Australian official on why the search shifted course.

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MARTIN DOLAN, CHIEF COMMISSIONER OF ATSB: This continuing analysis indicates the plane was traveling faster than was previously estimated, resulting in increased fuel usage and reducing the possible distance it traveled south into the Indian Ocean.

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KILMEADE: So, crews on several aircraft did spot objects today floating in the water. They're now analyzing the photos of the items. Plus, with the satellite photos from the different nations.

Andrea, with the weather good and them closer to land, you've got to think by the weekend, we should have some type of a breakthrough.

TANTAROS: I hope so, I'm not holding my breath. But my question is, why didn't they expand the search in the first place to, maybe, I don't know, all of Asia? I mean, it's pretty tough to lose a 777. And if you keep looking in the same place and you're not finding something, you're either not looking hard enough or it's probably not where you're looking.

So, it's a little disappointing that weeks in, they're thinking let's expand this.

KILMEADE: It's unbelievable, Bob, that they're now working on plane speed and what it --

BECKEL: The question I have got is this piece of information, the plane was flying faster, it took 15 or 16 days to get it out?

BOLLING: Twenty.

BECKEL: Twenty days. I mean, that is something that is a pretty important, significant position. Why didn't we know about that?

BOLLING: Completely agree. What takes 20 days to figure out? If you have the data, you probably it 15 or 20 days ago, right?

KILMEADE: In "The Strait Times," they did talk about that, but they have information that they're not letting to the families, which caused a big uproar. Maybe this is part of it, Dana.

Dana, is part of this because so many nations are involved and Australia is now in the middle of it?

PERINO: No, I don't think so. I think it's because the Malaysians were so bad at what they were doing that all these other nations had to get involved and maybe they were playing catch up.

There was an oceanographer today on Shepard Smith's show, she was really confidence inspiring and she could explain, this is what we're looking at. This is where it might have gone. She thinks that by the weekend, that they'll hopefully we'll have at least more on the strong lead that they had.

KILMEADE: And when they do find the spot, if they do find this debris is the plane, 6,560 feet is the high. The low will be 13,000 feet below.

PERINO: Right.

KILMEADE: We have a lot of looking to do. But first things first, let's find out if that is indeed the plane.

All right, guys. We're going to move ahead with "One More Thing" unless anyone is going to stop it.

TANTAROS: No, we have one more block.

BOLLING: One more block before that. We go the full hour.

TANTAROS: Thanks for trying to rush out of here, Brian.

BOLLING: Fifteen minutes before the top of the hour.

KILMEADE: We're going to get this straight. An angry case of road rage caught on tape, and there's a lesson here. Do not ever flip the bird while driving, Bob. Stay tuned. That story next.

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BECKEL: A lot of crazy people driving on the roads, so you have to be very careful. This video is unbelievable.

A female driver in Tampa took out her cell phone and started recording a guy who was tailgating her on the highway. She couldn't switch lanes, and she wasn't going to speed. The guy eventually went around her and flipped her the bird. He cut her off and then spun out of control and crashed into a utility pole.

Thirty-three-year-old Jeffrey White was later arrested for leaving the scene of a crash, reckless driving and failing to wear his seat belt.

Now part of this...

BOLLING: There it is, Bob.

BECKEL: The crash right now?

PERINO: That's terrible. She laughed?

TANTAROS: Oh, Dana, you would laugh, too.

PERINO: I would not. I'm a nervous...

BOLLING: Goes back and takes a picture of the license plate.

BECKEL: But you know, it's interesting, though, that they say now 25 percent of crashes are involving cell phones, use of cell phones. And yet here she is using a cell phone to take into account a crash.

I mean, here's the question. Do they not really impose cell phone -- I mean, first of all, the guy had a long record; you know, not surprising.

BOLLING: I'm the guy who drives back and forth about an hour and a half in, and maybe an hour and a half out, maybe two hours back home. I use my cell phone a lot. I shouldn't. It's against the law. I know that.

If they give you -- if they catch you in the city, I think New Jersey as well, $500 and five points on your license. Five points. You only get 12 total and they pull your license. They're really starting to crack down on cell phones.

I agree. Everyone is on their cell phone, though. Everyone. You just look to the right or left, and everyone...

PERINO: That's why I'm such a nervous passenger. I haven't driven in three years, which is very strange for me. My husband is a good, responsible driver. He doesn't talk on the cell phone. Or if he does, he -- it's on speaker phone.

But even when he's fiddling around with the GPS, it makes me so nervous. But it's not him that I'm worried about, it's everyone else.

BECKEL: Exactly. Why is there so much road rage, you know, now? I mean, it seems to be increasing all the time.

TANTAROS: I think people are angry about a lot of other things that don't have to do with the road. And I don't think it helps that they're constantly on the devices. Right? They're stressed out; they're communicating. Everyone is overstressed and over -- you know, over on technology constantly. I think that's probably something to do with it.

I'm guilty of it. I'm guilty of it. I don't flip anyone the bird anymore, because I don't want to be recognized. But one time I did, and it turned out the person and I did were going to the same place, so it was really uncomfortable.

BECKEL: Brian, do you text when you drive?

KILMEADE: Yes, sadly. And I'm stopping it.

PERINO: You're a father!

KILMEADE: But I'm saying one thing. This is what I would say. I've almost stopped it. But when I'm at a light and I know I'm going to be there for five minutes and I could actually get something done, I'm tempted to be productive. I don't have a microwave, even though I'm hungry, so I'll go and try to answer some e-mail.

PERINO: I have a solution.

BECKEL: Yes, go ahead.

PERINO: I have a solution. OK. First of all, what you need to do, everybody put your phone on silent. OK? That way, it's not like dinging, dinging so you're tempted to check it.

KILMEADE: Good point.

PERINO: Check it when you get home. Then try something I learned on Oprah years ago. Put it in the back seat. That way, if you get in an accident, you'll have access to it. It's not in the trunk; it's in the back seat. And also, I don't know what that meant -- traffic. I wrote "traffic," but I don't know what that meant.

BOLLING: If you're a parent with a -- with a 16-year-old who's ready to drive, here's what you can do. You can get a box that will cut off the texting capability.

KILMEADE: Really?

BOLLING: In your kid's phone.

BECKEL: That's very good. And by the way, I'm the only one here who does not text, because I don't know how to.

"One More Thing" is up next.

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TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing." And I will kick it off, so listen to this. Karen Agnes, who is running an organization called the Network of Enlightened Women, has a really good idea for college campuses. She has chapters on college campuses where she's encouraging women to nominate the most gentlemanly man on campus. They will get a $500 scholarship. But it's encouraging men to step up and be men. And it's sort of a play on NOW, her organization, NEW, Network of Enlightened Women. And I'm guessing, boys, if you win this award, you're going to get more than $500.

BECKEL: I would have won that.

TANTAROS: I doubt it. OK, I forget who's next, Susan.

PERINO: Dana. I'm next. OK, yesterday, I was in Texas. You remember, we were on the show. Greg and I were down at the Bush center. And we had this event talking about his book. There we are, little people in front of a big bus.

And I wanted to read an excerpt from a letter that was hand given to me by Christy. I won't tell you her last name. But I thought this was kind of nice. She said, "You make me want to be more gracious to those I disagree with. I'm an immigrant to these fine Unite States, and 'The Five' not only keeps me informed but also stirs my pride for my adopted country. You and the entire team who produce the program should be very proud of 'The Five' and the intelligent and respectful manner in which topics are discussed. Much -- many blessings to you all, especially Bob, who is a very good sport."

Isn't that nice?

BOLLING: Very nice, very nice.

PERINO: I thought we should...

TANTAROS: Dana, what were you pointing at, when you were pointing at...?

PERINO: What, was I doing "The Five." I was trying to do "The Five."

BOLLING: Dana's just rolling through the pictures.

PERINO: I think I was trying to do "The Five."

TANTAROS: You were? I thought you were pointing at Greg's tie.

PERINO: Oh, no, no. I was doing "The Five."

TANTAROS: OK. Roberto.

BECKEL: I wanted to give a shout-out to a very important person in my life the last couple days. Dr. Paul -- Dan Paul. That's who saved a couple fingers of mine that could have been in some very bad shape. And he did a wonderful job. He does a lot of volunteer work for people who cannot afford to get this done. So I very much appreciate it. He's a good man, and give him a call.

BOLLING: The best news. Every time you give me the finger, no one knows.

BECKEL: That's right.

PERINO: That's why he's been doing the whole show.

TANTAROS: He still has another hand, Eric. He's been giving it to you the whole show.

All right, Eric.

BOLLING: I'm up? OK. So that show "Cashin' In," 11:30 tomorrow morning. Tomorrow Bob's head is going to explode if he watches it. We're going to talk about is it now the United States of entitlement? And we're also going to talk about ObamaCare's war on businesses. Here's a little taste.

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BOLLING: The biggest bang for the buck or how about getting a job, how about working? How about put -- look at this poor steel worker on a girder, you know, risking his life, but he's earning. He's making -- making a contribution to the economy, to life, to society. Or just a handout from the entitlement class.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. What Nancy Pelosi doesn't understand is no one benefits when people's rights are violated.

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PERINO: That's not nice.

BECKEL: Not Eric. I'm talking about -- I'm talking about...

PERINO: Jonathan Hoenig's great.

BOLLING: It's a great show. Check it out.

TANTAROS: Brian.

KILMEADE: All right. It was a short time ago when I was alerted that this conversation took place on "The Five." Let's look at it.

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GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I bet nobody is going to remember this. Quisp. Does anybody remember Quisp?

BOLLING: Kilmeade, you know this?

GUTFELD: No.

Brian Kilmeade grew up on it. No one heard of it. Quisp sent him a box of Quisp cereal this week.

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KILMEADE: I brought that up, a similar time. People talk about their favorite cereal. Everybody thought I had a lisp. It wasn't. I heard about it. So I -- Quaker Oats tweeted me. This is what Quisp is. It is a space alien.

And I loved it because I loved that and I love the look of little hats that taste like Styrofoam, so I'm going to donate this to the show. This was mailed to me. I'm not sure it's edible. It's almost open. It costs about 8 bucks now. It's a rarity. That's my gift for having me.

PERINO: Thank you, Brian.

BECKEL: Thank you, Brian, for being here.

TANTAROS: All right. Don't forget to set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you right back here on Monday. Have a great weekend, everyone.

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