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Speculation on the search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 19, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and in road trips, she sleeps in the glove compartment, it's Dana Perino.

This is "The Five."

(MUSIC)

GUTFELD: So, with Flight 370, the deeper the mystery, the wider the speculation. It never stops. Should it?

Speculation is just a fancier version of a magic 8 ball. Ideally, we'd have a media time-out and let facts accumulate into a bucket of information, but we can't because we're human, and this story could be massive, the signal of a coming attack on us or it could be a plane lost at sea forever. We don't know. Why?

This confusion is a direct result of America's own reluctance to exert its superiority in this investigation. We are the best at this stuff, but it's just so rude to say so. Why hurt feelings even if it saves lives?

To me, letting others run the search at a P.C. tolerance is idiotic.
Why should we trust them to find the plane when they're the ones who lost it in the first place? These countries are like cliques at the high school cafeteria, feeding us useless gossip.

The idea of leading from behind when those in front are boobs is stupid. Born for progressive guilt over Western excellence, we let oafs decide our fates, as we once again vote in all things beyond our borders.

But we have a vested interest in this. And if the worse possibility comes true here, it would be us who pays the price.

But America could close the investigation fast if it wanted to -- well, as long as the plane is not hidden in Benghazi or the IRS building.

Hey, Kimberly, isn't the real problem here lack of authority? Can't we -- is there any way that we can take charge of this?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: I mean, if they were truly interested in finding the plane and determining exactly what happened, then they would utilize the impressive resources of the United States. We are the world's leading expert in this area. So, when it comes to crisis management, when it comes to an investigation of this magnitude, you should lean heavily on the United States. They would be lucky to do so.

Instead, we have been fed misinformation by the Malaysian government.
They have done a tremendous disservice to the family members who deserve answers and to the world, for that matter. We are far behind in this investigation, instead of ahead of the game because of the delays, the misinformation, and it all traces back to their government.

So, yes, the U.S. should take the lead. Just do it.

GUTFELD: Yes, Bob. I mean, are we worried we're going to come off as too mean?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, first of all, we have to be careful. We can't force our way into someone else's investigation.

GUTFELD: Why not? But --

GUILFOYLE: There's U.S. interest.

GUTFELD: But if there are Americans involved --

BECKEL: Yes, but you don't -- that doesn't give you jurisdiction.
It's still a Malaysian issue. But they did now invite the FBI in, which is a good sign, to take a look at this at this mock -- whatever they call it.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Simulator?

BECKEL: Yes. And they're trying to find it because there were deletions from his flight plans in that thing. They're asking the FBI to figure what those deletions were. So, that's a step in the right direction.

You're right. I mean, we do have a lot of capability, but again, you know, you're dealing with such a huge area to be looking here. I mean, with all the resources of all the countries already in there, it seems to me, day 12 now? Is this day 12?

I think, yes, the United States could do more. I wish they would ask for more. I think the Malaysians are beginning to realize, you know, we can't do this thing for ourselves.

GUTFELD: Is it too late because of the slow start to actually figure out what happened?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Well, here's what -- look, when all else fails, follow the money. And I'm sure that the insurance companies are going to be investigators on the cutting edge of what the real information is. This is a $270 million airplane. I mean, there's already been one insurance payment paid, and we don't know who the -- who wrote the check and who cashed the check yet, but I will guarantee before the big insurance check is cashed, those people are going to go what happened.

I love the story because it defies logic. I love the logical world.
I try to figure everyone's motivation out.

GUTFELD: Really?

BOLLING: I try to figure out what's going to happen next. What Kimberly is thinking, I'm trying to figure that out, whether Dana and Bob are going to fight today or not, I'm trying to figure that out, too. But this is one of those things where you no matter how much logic you apply in it, nothing makes sense and for me that's really kind of intriguing.

GUTFELD: You know, Dana, you tweeted earlier, we're now entering the media on media part of the saga, when we start looking at ourselves. I want to throw this to the sound on tape of Charles Krauthammer on the media obsession with the missing flight on "THE O'REILLY FACTOR" last night -- very interesting stuff.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS: In the coverage what annoys me is the way it's become a game when it's a terrible, terrible event and there are people who are suffering.

BILL O'REILLY, FOX NEWS HOST: It becomes a burlesque show. It becomes a farce. And we've reached that point on this coverage. When you have people, well, it's a stowaway, you know? When does Godzilla come on, OK? Yes, on another network, they actually said aliens might have taken it. They actually said that on the air. And they weren't kidding around.

KRAUTHAMMER: Now you're talking my language, psychotics. I can deal with that. I can explain that. But the real mystery is why the ordinary non-psychotic people so fascinated with this. And I think it's just had all these exotic storylines and the way that the media responded is not a conspiracy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: What do you make of that, Dana?

PERINO: Well, you know, in any investigation or situation, you always have the media eventually will start reporting about itself, and they'll analyze, have we done too much, have we not done enough?

The truth is people are interested in it. And if you go to any book store or if you go to any movie theater, what's the most popular thing?
It's a mystery. You don't get many real life mysteries like this.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: So I think in a way, even though I know you say you like the logical world, you like a lot of television shows that are mysteries.

BOLLING: Because I spend the whole hour trying to figure out what --

PERINO: That's why people keep watching. They're looking to figure it out, and they don't want to be second to know. They want to be first to know if there's a development. So, that's why --

BOLLING: This is one of the stories, too, I was in the elevator today, and literally an absolute stranger, I was even dress on -- I had no idea I was on the show, and started talking to me because it was on the TV on the elevator, we have TVs running our elevators, and he starts talking to me why that theory was wrong, I think Stuart Varney was throwing the theory out.

People are so intrigued by this. Everyone --

BECKEL: They are intrigued by it.

I was talking to a friend of mine before the show who knows something about aviation. He pointed out most people who are talking about this had no idea what they're talking about.

GUTFELD: Well, that's everybody.

BECKEL: Yes, that's right. I think that's right. You get this, you know, former pilots and rest of stuff, so it goes beyond that. I mean, it is some intrigue with people because there is the mystery of where did this thing go?

We can't -- we need resolution, and we can't get resolution. It's day 12.

PERINO: Also, the concern it might be planned to be used for something else.

Can I make one point about the United States and its role in the investigation? That I do think that other governments could take a look at the United States. We have a -- like, I wouldn't say perfect, but a very good mix of civilian and military, and we're also the government is somewhat responsive, mostly responsive, to journalists and the media.

That's not the case in most countries around the world and certainly not true in Malaysia.

GUTFELD: Yes.

I want to throw some more tape up there. This is Rush Limbaugh talking about the coverage.

BECKEL: This is new. We're going to use a Limbaugh tape?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Folks, I can't handle the media.
I literally cannot. I can't handle, we've got anchors and anchorettes who don't know beans about why an airplane flies. They couldn't explain the concept of air pressure differential or lift to you if their jobs depended on it. They go get guests -- nobody knows what happened. So, you've got bunch of people on TV who just want face time.

GUTFELD: Now, Kimberly, he's basically calling the news coverage a show, but he's a consummate showman.

PERINO: Talking about the media coverage.

GUTFELD: Yes. Isn't this capitalism in the way it worked? That there's a demand for this information, is it necessarily the fault of the news to supply it?

GUILFOYLE: Well, he's getting air time, face time, voice time, he's getting all of the above. But this is something that you have a responsibility to report, to get the information out there, and an obligation to get the best experts and resources so that you can relay this information in an intelligent way that makes sense to the viewers.

They actually want to know about it. If they didn't, we wouldn't have the ratings we do.

But I think it's important to find out the answers. I don't think it's just sensational, because I want to know if this is something that's a defect or a problem with the plane, with the Boeing. I want to know if this is the first step for a further terrorist attack. I want to know what the answers, so that we can learn from it, so it doesn't happen again.

BECKEL: This thing that Dana was talking about the media. When you start talking about the media, who the people broke it first? Howard Kurtz was one of the first people who say he got dumped on by people. And now O'Reilly and I must say Rush. I think that's 4,321st thing of Rush on the show.

But the fact of the matter is they're jumping on this, their side of the story. But they're still covering the story, aren't they?

BOLLING: Well, because people are tuned in and it's rating, and you say, we said everything four or five times, we need to keep saying it. We just need different people to start saying it.

It's not unlike -- I'll be honest with you, I'll be honest with you, not unlike some cable networks who put on people to have an opinion on politics or business or whatever who have absolutely no experience in it, nor background in it. And go ahead and have them, they're pundits. Young people --

GUTFELD: I resemble that remark.

BOLLING: No, no, no. A lot of people say what is it about "The Five."
We have someone from the legal world, we have a Democratic strategist, someone from the business world, we have a Republican -- a Bush White House person.

PERINO: Watch it.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: We have somebody who edited magazines, who's one of the funniest political satirists around. That's why we're here.

Other shows -- hold on -- other shows who put on people because they look good or they're young and everyone goes --

PERINO: That's certainly not our --

GUILFOYLE: No.

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BECKEL: Let me take, that's certainly not my case, and I agree. I don't know a damn thing about this, but it still fascinates me.

GUILFOYLE: But you know about history. You have been very helpful to talk about --

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BECKEL: All I know a lot about history doesn't help me -- and I know a lot about geography, but it doesn't help me tell what happened to this airplane.

GUTFELD: Bob, do you think it's -- is it strange that you haven't heard anything really about this from the president or the White House? I mean, there's --

PERINO: He just spoke about it and we're going to have it in the next block.

GUTFELD: That was a subliminal tease for the B-block.

BECKEL: I see, there you go.

PERINO: Now you get to tease.

GUTFELD: Next, new information -- thank you -- from a former FAA official that supports the theory that what happened to the plane was no accident.

And there are other new developments today. Stick around. You're going to hear about them, straight ahead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: This is a FOX News alert. Moments ago, President Obama made his first public comments on missing Malaysian Airline Flight 370.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We have put every resource we have available at the disposal of the search process. There's been close cooperation with the Malaysian government. And so not just NTSB, but FBI, you know, anybody who typically deals with anything related to our aviation system is available. And so, you know, our thoughts and prayers are with the families, but I want them to be assured that we consider this a top priority and we're going to keep on working.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: And it's been determined that the missing Malaysian plane veered off course and it wasn't an accident, according to a former FAA official.

Here's what Scott Brenner told Megyn Kelly last night.

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SCOTT BRENNER, FORMER FAA SENIOR OFFICIAL: It's 100 percent clear this pilot or this copilot took this plane with the clear intent of doing something bad. We now know that within the first 26 minutes, they had reprogrammed the flight plan and were already starting to turn west far before they even signed off with air traffic control.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: There are also new questions about files that were deleted from a flight simulator found at the home of the pilot, Captain Shah.

Chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge joins us now from Washington with more on that -- Catherine.

CATHERINE HERRIDGE, FOX NEWS CHIEF INTELLIGENCE CORRESPONDENT: Well, thank you, Dana.

Earlier today, the Malaysian authorities confirmed those files were deleted from the flight simulator of the 53-year-old pilot, and we have been able to confirm separately through a source who is not really authorized to speak on the record that the FBI has been invited to review this data called a technical assessment of the flight simulator hard drive.
And what that involves is trying to recover the deleted files. I don't think I need to tell you this, if there's anyone who is good at this, it's the bureau. Just because you think you have hit double delete doesn't mean the file is gone.

There's something called file overriding, which is what you see in these cases. So, investigators want to know whether the pilot just deleted perhaps because he was trying to find more memory for the simulator, or whether he actually tried to wipe it from the hard drive. And that would be a more sinister technique because it would take more expertise, Dana.

PERINO: All right. Eric?

BOLLING: So, Catherine, we rolled the sound bite of Scott Brenner, who was a former FAA spokesman, who said this plane started to make its turn. After the turn was initiated, the copilot said, "All right, good night." When I heard that last night, I was shocked because I can't figure out a scenario that would exclude the pilots from at least being complicit in taking this plane if that's true.

And do we know that in fact is true?

HERRIDGE: Well, the two things to say about that. Number one, there's opposing views on what that really means. One is that it was clearly a deliberate act to take the flight in a different direction. The second is that this was in effect kind of like an insurance policy or a back-up plan to reroute the flight in case of bad weather.

The second thing that I learned today from my reporting is that when the FBI looks at these hard drives of the pilot and copilot and looks at this hard drive from the flight simulator, they're going to be looking at their e-mail traffic as well, because when you look at the data on its face value, it speaks to some kind of conspiracy. And if that is in fact the case, the FBI will want to understand who these two men were in touch with in the days leading up to the disappearance of this jet, and whether there was some kind of outside influence that guided them towards the takeover of the jet.

Now, whether there was some financial motivation or some political motivation, but that is the kind of thing that the FBI will look for as well in addition to these deleted files.

BECKEL: Catherine, this is Bob Beckel.

HERRIDGE: Hi there.

BECKEL: I find it a little bit -- these planes all have, what do they call? Emergency location transmitters?

HERRIDGE: Yes, correct, ELT.

BECKEL: Right? And so, those things have their own battery packs so they're meant to stay sending out a signal even after a plane crashes. And this one didn't seem -- didn't have that. I mean, it had it, but for some reason it was turned off or didn't work.

Now, you can't turn the thing off manually if you're in the cockpit, as I understand it. So, that means either a massive explosion blew it apart, which means you would have seen debris around, or how do you explain it? Why is --

(CROSSTALK)

HERRIDGE: I'm impressed with your research because this is the point that a lot of people --

BECKEL: Well, thank you.

HERRIDGE: You're welcome.

It's a point a lot of people have missed.

What we have heard consistently in the past 12 days is that there's no evidence that the flight went down, and Bob has hit on one of those important data points, which is that this ELT, this is an emergency landing transmitter. It's designed to go off. It's in typically the tail and nose of the aircraft. It's designed to go off when you hit land or when you hit the water.

And this transmission, this sort of ticker system, has not been discerned. So it's this absence of information which suggests that the plane has not gone down.

And one of the issues that Bob has also raised here is there was a warning that there could be a malfunction with this ELT system on the 777, but the Malaysian authorities have said that the system on Flight 370 was -
- had been properly maintained and they did not believe that that was an issue here.

GUTFELD: Catherine, I just want to go back to Captain Shah. We heard that his family members left before he took off. Was that true? And does anybody know where they are, what happened to his family?

HERRIDGE: You know, I don't want to give you bad information. I do not know the whereabouts of the family or whether they were interviewed.
But I would point out that there has been a real conflict in the information that's been presented by the Malaysian authorities about the pilots. They were very quick to say right out of the gate that there was no evidence that they had taken over the jet and that there was no evidence of terrorism.

Now, we're getting 12 days into it, and now, we're finding that files were deleted from that flight simulator, though I'm sure as you know by speaking to pilots, these guys are really sort of flying geeks, if you will, and it's not uncommon for them to want to practice at home, though what he built here, I think you would agree, was a pretty elaborate setup.

PERINO: Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Hi. Yes, Catherine, thanks for all the information.

HERRIDGE: Hi there.

GUILFOYLE: Doing a great job on this for us.

You know, it just seems the valuable information was lost about seven days before they did focus on these pilots. You mentioned some information about the Department of Defense programs you can get, even on the Internet, to delete files. But if they haven't been written over several times, wouldn't they be able to access that information?

HERRIDGE: They can.

I mean, what I learned today in our reporter is that there really is almost no way to completely wipe a file once it's on a hard drive. You can overwrite it as you're talking, but any of these FBI texts, I mean, they can -- what I was told is they can get to that in just a matter of hours.

I'm actually surprised no one is asking about me today about that report from the Maldives that those fishermen saw the flight. But, anyway
--

GUILFOYLE: Hasn't that been discredited?

HERRIDGE: It has been, but it took a lot of practice to say Kuda Huvadhoo, which is the island where it was found.

GUILFOYLE: Nicely done.

HERRIDGE: Thank you.

PERINO: Catherine, could you talk to us about apparently the search area has been narrowed down to the coast of Australia?

HERRIDGE: Yes, thanks very much for asking that.

I've got a map here which may require some glasses, but I'm going to hold it up here. It was released by the Pentagon just a little while ago today. And the reason this map is important is it shows how the search area has really been narrowed down to southwestern Australia, and there's a patch which is identified as the specific search area, and then what they call a drift area.

And the reason that's important is that we were first to report yesterday that the NTSB and FAA are taking a second intense review of all of the satellite data, the civilian and military data, and they were also factoring into that the weather, the fuel, and what I found pretty surprising is how far that jet could glide without power, and they were factoring all of these things in. You have to put your science gal hat on to do this, but they factor all of it in, and they have come up now with this map which has really significantly narrowed the focus, Dana.

BOLLING: Catherine, who is handling the investigation into the full
229 passengers -- 239 passengers?

HERRIDGE: That's Malaysia.

BOLLING: Other than the two pilots, who is that?

GUILFOYLE: Malaysia.

HERRIDGE: The Malaysian authorities. One thing that maybe is not obvious, but it is certainly obvious to the reporters here in Washington, is that the administration is really going out of its way to not upstage the Malaysian authorities, who what they will tell you is in the lead here, and they don't want to jeopardize the kind of access and, I wouldn't say terrific level of cooperation, but a consistent level of cooperation.

So to give you a long answer to a simple question, the Malaysians are in the lead. They're getting help from other intelligence agencies, in the scrubbing of this passenger manifests.

But I don't know if you would agree, to me, it's a little bit like a homicide case that when you don't get good, strong leads right out of the gate, you're potentially looking at a cold case. And this development with the navy is important, but it does seem a little desperate at this point.

BOLLING: Very quick follow-up, I'm sorry, but I was wondering if they're cross checking against our intelligence.

HERRIDGE: They are, they are.

BOLLING: We have substantial no-fly lists and some -- you know, further deep into our intel. Are they cross-checking to make sure there's none of that overlap?

HERRIDGE: Real quick, there was something established after 9/11 called the National Counterterrorism Center, or NCTC. This is the group that is the maintainer of all the databases. I know from our reporter that really within 24 hours, the first thing that was done is that passenger manifest and the crew as well, was run against multiple databases to see if there were any hits. This is at a time where the two Iranians with the stolen passports were of particular focus.

PERINO: All right. Catherine, thanks so much. I learned more than I knew before.

HERRIDGE: Thanks for having me.

PERINO: OK. Straight ahead, Russia's president took the liberty today to change the map of Europe. No statement about it from President Obama yet. We'll tell you what he was doing today, instead.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: Well, over the past week -- it's not your block, Bob.

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: Sorry.

GUILFOYLE: Over the past week, President Obama has spent his time between two ferns with comedian Zach Galifianakis, on the radio discussing mom jeans with Ryan Seacrest, and tomorrow, he's hanging out with Ellen.

But today, he's focused on his NCAA bracket, OK? Russian President Vladimir has other priorities.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Warren Buffett, a huge Creighton fan, has offered
$1 million for the perfect bracket. If you won, what would happen?

OBAMA: Michelle might want a few shoes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): This territory should be under a strong and steady sovereignty, and which can be only Russian today.

OBAMA: My pick, Michigan State. Bringing it home for me. It's been a while since I won my pool.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness. You can't make it up. You know, that's the news. Bob, I don't know what to tell you. We're just reporting it.

BECKEL: That may be one of the cheapest shot our producer, Mr. Berry, ever put together. That's just ridiculous.

BOLLING: It happened.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Can we talk about serious business at all today?

GUTFELD: But, wait, Bob. We also, to be fair, have shown some very hilarious pictures of Vladimir Putin when he used to ride that horse.

GUILFOYLE: Shirtless.

GUTFELD: And wrestle the animal.

BECKEL: But we didn't compare that with Obama. But can we talk about what happen in --

GUILFOYLE: But this is what happened today.

BECKEL: But let me make a point that Putin has, now, supposedly supporters of the Russians have taken over the naval headquarters in Crimea, and they are moving troops out. Now, it seems today that they said after the Russians voted, now you can become part of Russia, that --

GUILFOYLE: Bob, are you going to pass out trying to explain this?

BOLLING: That was a real nice --

GUILFOYLE: He's trying to help the president --

BOLLING: To turn the topic away from the fact that President Obama was picking brackets when Vladimir Putin was in Red Square being very, very Russian, saying this is how --

BECKEL: You're going to compare picking brackets --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: With, by the way, a 70 percent approval rating for Putin in his own country while Obama struggles to keep 40 percent.

BECKEL: If you don't mind, I want to get it off there because there's a bull -- way to go about doing this segment. In -- there is, I think, something to be said about the proposal today out of the Ukraine government that they ought to make that a demilitarized zone, which was their proposal, which indicates to me that they have almost accepted the fact the Russians are going to take it.

GUILFOYLE: OK, Dana?

PERINO: They have accepted it because nobody said they're going to help them. And maybe that is the reality.

I just wanted to offer something that Putin and Obama could not do together. This is a peace offering to Bob, his favorite chocolates after I lost my temper yesterday.

BECKEL: Oh, all right.

GUILFOYLE: Those were supposed to be mine for my birthday.

PERINO: I know, I thought about that, too --

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

PERINO: That's what the Ukrainians realized they need to do. I think their goal now is to de-escalate any further conflict.

BOLLING: I see --

BECKEL: These are the best things in the world.

GUTFELD: Bob, remember, you have to give half of that to the government.

GUILFOYLE: No, he gives half to me, the new common law. There you go. I spent New Year's with him. All right --

BECKEL: I'm going to give them to the editors so they pass out.

GUILFOYLE: Greg?

GUTFELD: I just want -- can I comment on the topic at hand, which is President Obama doing the brackets and going on Ellen and doing all this sort of stuff? Cool does win the heart of teenage girls, but it doesn't win the minds of ex-KGB agents. This does nothing to impress our adversaries.

I just wish he looked at the Russians the way he looked at his domestic adversaries. If he saw the Russians as the Tea Party, he could send the IRS after them. Maybe that would be a start.

BECKEL: Do you think it's -- during this time, when everyone fills out a bracket pretty much and what happens to NCAA, do you think it's a little unusual we would have to bump that up against Vladimir Putin --

GUTFELD: I thought it was beautiful.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I see. Well then maybe Obama is going to the bathroom at the same time.

BOLLING: I hate this story. I hate this story because every night on Twitter, I get absolutely destroyed by people who say don't you know how important this is? What you mean pull out and don't do it?

You want to really, really hit Russia where it counts? Hit them in the pocketbook, hit them the wallet. Frack the heck out of this country.

GUILFOYLE: Exactly.

BOLLING: Get to 100 percent total, total independence in energy, and Russian oil prices will go down, we don't have to bow to Putin, and Obama doesn't have to wear his mom jeans when Putin is shirtless anymore. We don't have to see any of that anymore, Bob. I think we can both agree on that.

GUTFELD: The problem is we have a president who -- forget standing up to Putin -- they can't stand up to the college age anti-oil activists that scream and yell every time you bring up Keystone.

GUILFOYLE: That's true.

GUTFELD: He's scared of that more than anything.

PERINO: The other thing they did do, you can go on the White House Web site and you can input your information to find out what climate change is going to do to your zip code.

GUILFOYLE: This is ridiculous because we lack focus and we lack authority.

BECKEL: We figure out every day, our producers figure out every day how to take any story they can and connect it to an anti-Obama story.
That's what they want to do.

GUILFOYLE: You know what, Bob, they make the choices about his schedule, about what's important, they prioritize it, every priority for this country, and that's why we're failing miserably.

BECKEL: Oh, I see, because he filled out a bracket, that would have stopped Putin from going to the Ukraine.

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: I mean, come on! That's exactly what the producers --

PERINO: Have a chocolate. Have a chocolate.

BECKEL: I mean --

GUILFOYLE: Next on "The Five," why on earth --

BECKEL: Are you embarrassed you did that story?

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: -- honor the mosque that helped the 9/11 hijackers. It's an unbelievable story, and Eric has the details on it. That's next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.

The Virginia state legislature has passed a resolution commending the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center for their outstanding community service. Dar Al-Hijrah is one of America's largest mosques. It also happens to be the preferred mosque of many terrorists over the years. Anwar al-Awlaki was their imam in 2001 and 2002. Major Nidal Hassan who killed 14 at Ft. Hood worshipped there, two of the 19 9/11 hijackers were members of that Islamic center, as well as a slew of terrorists currently being held at Gitmo and other U.S. prisons.

So, the Virginia state legislature says they commemorate this mosque, commemorate it for what? Outstanding ability to murder Americans?

Now, bob, the Democrat from Virginia proposes this, this is in his district that he just overlooked the fact this is a well-known terrorist frequented mosque.

BECKEL: He overlooked it? They had to go through the whole general assembly, that means that House of Delegates down there, everybody approved it, right? So, that means that Republicans and Democrats now, granted, probably somebody came out and said I have this resolution. Thousands of those happen every day.

But it's amazing to me that somebody didn't raise their hand and say, wait a minute, isn't this the same play for so-and-so is from? I think it's absolutely crazy that they did it, and I think there's going to be a lot of explaining to do, why somebody didn't object.

BOLLING: K.G., this is one of the biggest mosques in America. I don't know how this flies under the radar?

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. This is the mosque of many of the 9/11 hijackers attended or prayed at. So, this is the last mosque, practically, in America, that should be getting this kind of award or commendation.

It is so sloppy and slap in the face to all the victims of 9/11. It really bothers me.

We are paying these people's salary. Are they not paying attention?
Are they not reading what's in front of them? This should not have happened and shame on anybody who approved it.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: What?

BOLLING: Greg, you know, this victory mosque, they wanted to built downtown, too, tone deaf? What's going on?

GUTFELD: But, you know, you guys are so intolerant. Why can't we all just get along?

You guys are having a side conversation.

BECKEL: I'm sorry.

GUILFOYLE: So, what if they're Virginia delegates? They're paid for by the people of the state of Virginia. So, ask for your money back.

BECKEL: I thought you said we pay for it that's all.

It's not worth having this discussion. Go ahead, Greg.

GUILFOYLE: Let's eat chocolates instead.

BECKEL: Good idea.

GUTFELD: This is so funny. These are -- there are people in this mosque who say that they hate us, and we give them a trophy. It's like the Oscars.

It's proof that cowardice in the fear of political -- in the face of political correctness is exploited and that is going to be the undoing of our culture. I mean, there are people who go there that don't like our way of life. What do we do? We always give them the olive branch.

What do they do with the olive branch? They carve it into a knife.

BOLLING: So, do you think then, do you think that they didn't investigate because that would have been politically incorrect?

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: I don't know exactly what happened. I could imagine a scenario like Bob was saying, that they come on and they're like we have 20 resolutions to vote on today. One of them is from Mother's Day, one of them to honor Easter, and there's this mosque thing, and church, people just raised their hand and said yes.

GUTFELD: They should try Jasper day.

PERINO: Jasper day would be huge, and there should be resolutions in every state's capital for America's dog.

I'm going to take a different point of view, I think, yes, a few bad apples can spoil a bunch. For example, any institution can have a situation where they have a murder come out of it, OK, maybe a drunk driver on a football team, or some sort of domestic violence dispute. And the whole team is not tainted with that forever. And it could be that Lopez, who is the delegate, felt they had done enough to try to rehabilitate themselves.

GUTFELD: Good point.

PERINO: And it can't be -- not everybody that goes to the mosque is a murderer.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I think that's a good point, but can I make this one point?
They have this resolution going on while once again scores of Christians were slaughtered and murdered in Muslim countries over the last four or five days. As usual, not one of those punks who lead the countries are willing to say anything about it, no imam, no anybody. And you're still cowards.

BOLLING: I don't want to take the legs out of that. But Tammy Perth
(ph) told me this was passed by a voice vote, so there's no record of who voted for it.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: So no accountability for it. That's the problem. But again, it's sloppy government. It's not government that's working for the people. It's not intelligent. I think it's shameful.

GUTFELD: I mean, to Dana's point, perhaps there were things going on over the past decade or so that we don't know about, that they're working with the community, perhaps, with ferreting out potential terrorists.

PERINO: I think they have been cooperating.

GUTFELD: Yes, they might be cooperative and we just don't know how cooperative they are --

BOLLING: If that's the case, maybe they'll call us and let us know the ferreting out of the --

(CROSSTALK)

GUIFOYLE: Nine-eleven.

BECKEL: I'm going to hear from the Muslims again.

BOLLING: We'll leave it right there.

Next, an emotional scene this morning in Malaysia as families fed up with the lack of answers on the missing plane lash out at investigators.
That's coming up next on "The Five."

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BECKEL: Back now to the missing jet. It's impossible to imagine the anguish of the families of the passengers and crew have gone through this last week and a half. They want answers, and they're not getting them.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(WOMAN CRYING)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: It was a very emotional scene in Malaysia this morning when distraught loved ones stormed a press conference. Many of them haven't given up hope. Here's a girlfriend of one of the American passengers.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SARAH BAJC, PHILIP WOOD'S GIRLFRIEND: I don't believe the plane has been crashed. I haven't ever believed that the plane has been crashed. It just doesn't make sense to me. And I don't feel like that's the right answer.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: OK. Of all the speculation about what's happened with this plane, the thing that worries me the most is probably the least possible one, is this plane landed someplace and these people are still alive. That kind of thing gives hope to people.

Do you think we've gone a bit overboard? I just think the idea of that is so -- such a long stretch that -- but somehow, people are watching television and they get the idea that maybe that's true.

BOLLING: I'm very disturbed about what's going on with all these cameras, all these people. They're chasing down these, you know, victims'
loved ones, or whatever they are, their lost loved ones, and throwing 100 cameras in their face. I mean, that seems to be very insensitive and cold.
Should we be doing this?

GUTFELD: That's a good question, because we're using the video, No.
1. But also, maybe -- maybe these poor people want that attention. They want the attention focused -- I mean I don't know.

PERINO: I think, remember after 9/11, they had the JAVT (ph) center.
That's where the family could gather, and that's where they could be together and they could get information. Our government is very good about trying to be honest with people, to let them know that, no, there are no survivors at the World Trade Center site. You can actually hive them off and have them, give them their own room.

The problem with the Malaysians is they're not honest, and they -- I shouldn't say they're not honest altogether, but the information has been so contradictory, the only place the families can get information is at the press conference, which puts everybody in a really bad position. They should give them their own room and their own space and talk to them.

BECKEL: Do you think the Malaysian government should have said at least that the possibility that this plane has landed safely is probably very small, or something besides giving the notion that -- without rejecting that notion, that these people say, "Whoa, I've got something I can hang on to"?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I think it's very distressing. They should be providing grief counseling and, you know, victim assistance for these type of family members that have suffering, that are confused, and instead, they're making just a mockery of their grief.

I mean, the emotion on the faces of these family members. They're not getting any of the information that they need. I mean, my heart goes out to them. And we do a much better job of that.

What Dana is saying, from a communications perspective, this could be handled in such a more thoughtful way, that it actually would help them, because there's part of a healing process here. They don't think that this plane landed safely, then they have an obligation to be honest with these family members so they can begin to go through the steps to understand and deal with the grief.

BECKEL: That's very well put. Does anybody here believe that that's a real possibility?

PERINO: Well, in the block that we had with Catherine Herridge, that was -- it is a possibility that the flight landed, based on the information you had about the ELT system.

BECKEL: Yes. But I mean, still, even with that. I mean, I don't know. I just think that the idea of putting that out there and not having it said that that is probably the least likely possibility or something.
But if you're a relative of a passenger, you're going to grab hold of that and say, "Gee, I hope that's a real possibility." It gets bigger than it is. Don't you think, Greg?

GUTFELD: I mean, in your head, you have to ask, whatever you say, will that add or subtract to a person's suffering? And stuff like that, that's why I usually shut up, because I can't imagine me saying anything that could offer comfort to somebody in any of this, because I can't -- I can't imagine what they're going through.

GUILFOYLE: They've thrown the family members to the wolves here.

BOLLING: Yes, I think they should not have an opinion until they have any facts, they have literally almost no facts. I know we've got to go, but is there a competitive nature between these two countries, between Malaysia, Thailand, some of the other countries and the media?

PERINO: With the media. Well, they're hyper-competitive with one another, as well.

BECKEL: OK, all right. That said, "One More Thing" is up next.

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GUTFELD: Time now for "One More Thing." And it's time for this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: I hate these people!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: And now you can roll this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARBARA WALTERS, CO-HOST, ABC'S "THE VIEW": Our next guest made headlines at our own hot topics discussion for being a Duke College freshman by day and a porn star by night.

Thank you for being on with us.

BELLE KNOX, PORN STAR: Thank you for having me.

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GUTFELD: All right, so I don't hate the panelists of "The View," and I don't hate this college-aged porn star making a living and embarrassing her parents. I hate the audience, the audience wildly applauding this woman, this young girl. Would they have done that if that was their daughter who was starring in violent pornography where she was choked?
Would they be proud of her? Why would they applaud this girl?

They probably don't know what she does, but they applaud because they're polite.

BECKEL: That's very well said. Even I wouldn't have done it.

GUTFELD: It's just weird. We're going to hell in a hand basket, Eric.

BOLLING: My -- one of my favorite all-time "One More Things." Bob, get ready. It's bracket time. NCAA, so I'm figuring...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh, stop.

BOLLING: ... what these two, how they would be filling out their brackets.

GUILFOYLE: Bob.

BOLLING: Let's take Vladimir Putin's bracket first. Russia versus Ukraine, we know Russia wins. U.S. versus the E.U., the U.S. wins. And of course in Putin's world, Russia wins it all.

Go to President Obama. Let's take a look at what President Obama's brackets might look like. There we go, President Obama, socialism over income inequality. Obviously, socialism wins there. Capitalism and redistribution, in Obama's world, capitalism wins, and guess what takes the whole cake for President Obama? Bob, you want to read it?

Socialism.

GUILFOYLE: He's doing something bad.

BECKEL: I'm not going to interrupt you like you interrupt me.

BOLLING: I apologize. It's that time of year.

GUILFOYLE: That was fun. I liked it.

BOLLING: Thank you.

GUTFELD: K.G.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, it's my turn. OK. So I have a musical thing to break up the tension here. So if you like Pharrell's song "Happy," so do these Detroit students in Motown. They do an awesome rendition of it on YouTube, and they've also done some other cool hits, as well. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(MUSIC: PHARRELL WILLIAMS, "HAPPY")

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Isn't this great? This is the Detroit Academy of Arts and sciences. They also did a cover of Jay-Z and Alicia Keys' "Empire State of Mind." Detroit.

GUTFELD: This is the best argument for uniforms.

GUILFOYLE: Wasn't it just so charming?

GUTFELD: Kids in uniforms are always good kids.

PERINO: An immediate flash mob.

GUTFELD: Exactly. Exactly.

Dana, I believe you're next.

PERINO: I'm next, OK. Bret Baier and his wife Amy are co-chairs of the Children's Ball, which benefits the Children's National Medical Center, and that's where their son Paul, pictured there, was treated and has undergone three open-heart surgeries.

One of the things on the auction list -- and we've got the Web site down below -- there's a live auction. You can go, and it ends tomorrow.
One of the items is lunch with the mighty all-star panel on "Special Report," including Jonah Goldberg, Kirsten Powers, Juan Williams, and Charles Krauthammer. The bidding right now is at $3,600. It's worth a lot more than that. So hope you can go on there and see if you want to bid and have lunch with those guys.

GUTFELD: He has Bret's hair.

PERINO: Paul Baier?

GUTFELD: Yes, did you notice that? The head of hair that lasts to the age of 90.

Bob, I know you're dying to talk.

BECKEL: I am dying. This show, our show spent at least a week and a half pointing out the four Pinocchios that President Obama got for his saying you can keep your insurance policy and your own doctor.

Well, guess what? They just awarded four more Pinocchios, and that was to John Boehner, the Republican speaker of the House, who said that almost 6 million people -- which is wrong, it's 5 million -- lost their insurance policies, which is wrong, that that means there's a net loss, fewer people have insurance today than they did before ObamaCare.

This is a lie; it's a big lie. The fact checkers went after it, and they came up with the conclusion that I messaged yesterday and Mr. Gutfeld said was untrue. That is that 500,000 of these people -- that's all,
500,000 of these people -- did not have their insurance, so there, he deserved to get those four Pinocchios. And you deserve to say, "I'm sorry."

GUTFELD: I'm not, because who's paid for it?

PERINO: And how many not insured are uninsured?

GUTFELD: Who's paid for it?

And besides, the show is over.

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