Administration giving millions a pass on ObamaCare mandate

Pollster Frank Luntz weighs in


This is a rush transcript from "Your World," March 13, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.


REP. NANCY PELOSI, D-CALIF., HOUSE MINORITY LEADER: I'm very proud of our House Democrats and how they have that only embraced the Affordable Care Act, but they helped create it, but how proud they are of it.

I think that the Republicans are wasting their time using that as their electoral issue, and they will find that out.


NEIL CAVUTO, HOST: I don't know if Democrats are embracing it as much anymore.

Anyway, pollster Frank Luntz is here. He was shaking his head when he was hearing that.


I know this from the research I have done, the single worst interview of 2014, it reminded people of the movie "Jaws," and the shark was the American people, and she was the victim, when she couldn't defend ObamaCare. And she says there that House Democrats were responsible for creating it. Is she nuts?

CAVUTO: Well, she must know the angst among her own members, especially those who succeeded in getting the administration to change deadlines.

LUNTZ: That clip that you have got is going to be used.

They're going to pull it off Fox News. You are going to have to have your lawyers get in the middle of this. And they're going to use it against 100 House Democrats in the next 30 days. Her interview on "David Gregory" was the worst interview -- the worst political interview of 2014.

I don't think they understand that the American people appreciated the effort, appreciated the thought that health care wasn't as good as it could be for some people. But when you have five million people now having lost their care, when you have people who can no longer choose their doctor and their hospital, when you have premiums going up -- my premiums went up 26 percent, and I have not made a claim. I made one claim in 10 years.

CAVUTO: Well, they know who you are.

LUNTZ: Twenty-six percent on someone who never asked them for something.

And then they talk about it being as easy as Travelocity. I have booked flights on Travelocity. I still can't operate the...

CAVUTO: You can book private jets on Travelocity?



LUNTZ: Neil, let's get serious here.


CAVUTO: All right, so you're saying that it will come back to bite her and that this is a big, serious problem.

LUNTZ: That actual clip itself, we're going to see on national television, I promise you.

CAVUTO: I talked to one of the key architects of ObamaCare for my Fox Business Network show, which is going to be on later tonight. If you don't get it, you should demand it.

And he was saying, you know, don't be so sure that we don't not only hold on to the Senate, but yet we pick up seats in the House. That's a Democrat saying the Democrats could do very, very well, and this issue will not be as big or dangerous a issue.

LUNTZ: This is the closest thing to 2010. This reminds me of 1994. And I'm not saying that that will be the outcome.

CAVUTO: Right.

LUNTZ: But health care is symptomatic of what happens when Washington takes something...

CAVUTO: But it's going to be a big issue, you're saying.

LUNTZ: It's going to be a huge issue.


LUNTZ: But it's only symptomatic. It's more about Washington and what Washington has gotten wrong.

CAVUTO: Gotcha.

LUNTZ: The public looks towards -- this is no longer ideology.


I'm jumping on you unfairly. I wanted to get to the Chris Christie thing.


CAVUTO: This was an incident that happened. He is being heckled by someone who is trying to interrupt a woman trying to ask the governor a question. Look at this.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... for a better life to raise children here...

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE , R-N.J.: Either sit down and keep quiet or get out, one or the other. We're done with you.

Go ahead.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What -- what I recently...


CAVUTO: That's old gov back. What do you think of that?

LUNTZ: Yes. I do want to say, he's back.

And you heard the applause from the audience. He's demonstrating respect for the person who is asking a question, which is a positive. This is the old Chris Christie.

I'm trying to figure it out, and I don't have an answer yet. And I know that your show is based on answers. I know that Republicans like that because he is putting people in their place who are deliberately trying to disrupt. And I know that they particularly like it when he challenges a reporter, when he challenges some left-wing activist.

But I don't know what is going to happen when he tries to do this in the Republican primary or he is tough in a debate. We want our presidents to be strong, like he is. But we also expect them to have the ability to deal on a foreign stage, and earn a level of respect that either weakness, which as Barack Obama has not done, or the idea of a consistency that some presidents have not delivered.

Chris Christie is going to have to decide who he is. And that really is what he...


CAVUTO: But, if that's who he is, and we -- we feel like, you know, foreign leaders are kicking us, you know, left and right, maybe that would be a welcome approach.

What do you think?

LUNTZ: I don't know if it's going to be welcome in South Carolina, which is an important state...


LUNTZ: ... which respects a level of civility and decency. I don't know if it's welcome in Mississippi and Alabama.

But I don't want to criticize it...

CAVUTO: Interesting. Interesting.

LUNTZ: But I don't want to criticize it, because there are so many people who just want to tell those hecklers once and for all, shut up.


LUNTZ: And he actually does it. He says what we're thinking.

CAVUTO: Yes. Yes.

All right, it's always great seeing you, Frank Lutz.

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