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Giuliani: ObamaCare goes deeper than just health care

Impact of GOP win in Florida on midterm elections

 

This is a rush transcript from "Your World," March 12, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

NEIL CAVUTO, HOST: Well, if ObamaCare did win it for Republicans in Florida, can it keep winning key races later this year?

Let's ask Rudy Giuliani.

You know, the rap against that -- I don't know if you heard all of that -- for these Republicans...

RUDY GIULIANI, R-FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK: I did. I did.

CAVUTO: ... is, they're very good at ripping something apart, not very creative when it came to offering up alternatives.

The dirty little secret is, they have alternatives. They have been rejected. But, if you were to advise them, how would you tell them to move forward?

GIULIANI: First point, Neil, is very, very few elections get decided two in a row on the same issue. Right?

The usual wisdom is, you don't run on the same thing this time. You don't run the last election this time.

CAVUTO: Right.

GIULIANI: This is going to be an exception to that.

Those numbers are very, very stark. I see it all over the country. I do a certain amount -- I was with a congressional candidate today who is -- I did some commercials for him. What do you think the commercials were about? ObamaCare. ObamaCare. ObamaCare. ObamaCare.

CAVUTO: Really?

And that was the number one issue in this race in Florida.

GIULIANI: And this is another one of these two percent districts, if you go Republican-Democrat. I look at the polling. I look at a lot of good polling from Arthur Finkelstein and other people. This is a very, very dramatic, deep issue.

CAVUTO: Well, how do you think it's going to go? If you had to take your bets right now, the House, the Senate, how do you think?

GIULIANI: All right, no hope for the Democrats in the House. Republicans pick up seats.

CAVUTO: Really? Do they pick up seats in the Senate, take the Senate?

GIULIANI: I used to think it was 50/50. I'm now thinking it's 52/48 that we do.

CAVUTO: Wow.

GIULIANI: I think...

CAVUTO: All on this issue?

GIULIANI: Well...

CAVUTO: Because, you know, the Democratic argument is, by then, things are going to be moving better.

(LAUGHTER)

CAVUTO: Do you buy that?

GIULIANI: That was their argument three years ago.

CAVUTO: Right.

GIULIANI: But they're delaying it.

If things were going to move better, if this was going to work, they would have implemented it. But I don't think the Democrats grasp the fact that ObamaCare that goes deeper into the soul of America. ObamaCare is taking away my freedom. It's taking away my ability to make choices.

That goes deeper than just health care. It's getting to almost a spiritual issue, an issue around which Americans define themselves. And then when you add to that all of the big government of Obama, it becomes really, not just an issue -- it becomes a symbol of what's wrong with this administration.

And I don't think the Democrats have the slightest idea of how deeply they trouble the American people. When -- when -- when people hear about NSA, NSA excesses, which I happen to, in fact, not be troubled by -- but they are -- they see that as another piece of, oh, this government is just taking over there.

They're listening to our conversations. They're taking over the financial industry. They're taking over the pharmaceutical industry. They're blocking energy. They're over-regulating businesses, and they won't allow me to have the doctor that I want. They won't allow me to have the health care plan I want.

CAVUTO: So it all becomes part of a narrative that they don't like?

GIULIANI: It rolls up. It isn't like an isolated issue...

CAVUTO: Yes.

GIULIANI: .. sitting out there all by itself.

CAVUTO: Well, no, you're right.

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CAVUTO: They're clearly ticked off. And that comes up in polls.

But, you know, the Democratic argument, Mayor, has been, well, it's too late to change this now. The ship is well out to sea. I always say, if you're five miles from the port you left, and you're another 1,000 miles to the port you're going to, it is easier to turn back now than to compound the injury and potential problems.

GIULIANI: Yes. They have...

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CAVUTO: So, why is that such a big issue? Why can't they say, yes, turn back now, stop it now?

GIULIANI: They have made it much less of an issue by delaying it. That argument was good argument three or four years ago. By this time, ObamaCare will have been implemented.

CAVUTO: Right.

GIULIANI: The American people will love it.

CAVUTO: But everything is delayed, like you said.

GIULIANI: They're going to really like it. Everything is delayed. ObamaCare isn't even 10 percent implemented yet, when you consider all the corporate -- most people are covered by corporations. Most people are covered by businesses. They have not even been reached yet.

CAVUTO: Well, are you troubled by these Republicans governors who are saying at -- the Republican governors a couple of weeks ago, the odds of this killing this are small, we don't see that happening?

GIULIANI: Well, see, I think what they were saying was, the odds of killing are small as long as Obama is president.

The odds of killing it with a Republican Senate, Republican Senate, and Republican president are 100 percent.

CAVUTO: All right, let's say they get the Senate. Then the final part of this trifecta is getting a Republican president. Other than that, then this keeps sailing, right?

GIULIANI: But that becomes a -- does it become a great issue in the presidential election?

CAVUTO: But that would have to make this a dominant issue for three elections.

GIULIANI: It is so deep.

CAVUTO: Yes?

GIULIANI: It goes so far into what Americans believe, American philosophy...

CAVUTO: Right.

GIULIANI: ... American feelings about what do I make choices about, what does government make choices about, this is an issue that could last until it gets overturned. I really do. I believe this is a -- I think President Obama made a gross miscalculation in doing this.

And then everything else he's doing underscores how he is reaching too far into people's lives.

CAVUTO: If you don't mind, Mayor, knowing you were coming, and switching gears, there was this building explosion in New York today, a lot we still don't know.

GIULIANI: Right.

CAVUTO: At least two dead, I think 13 or 14 missing at last count, 22 injured.

That immediately got people scared, thinking, oh, my gosh, what is going on? What do you, A., think of this? And, B., what do you think about New Yorkers, as right on the tip of their tongue is terror?

GIULIANI: Well, of course it is. And it should be. We were attacked twice, back in '93 and '01.

We're constantly getting information that we're the target of attacks, either soft information, hard information. We have thwarted -- Ray Kelly -- when I say we, I mean Ray Kelly and Mike Bloomberg thwarted many attacks over the 12 years they were in office. They didn't talk about most of them.

So, yes, we know we're a -- we're a -- we're a target. Whether this building is terrorist or not, I wouldn't want to entertain that. I don't want to entertain that.

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CAVUTO: Yes, they don't seem to think it is. It could be just a gas explosion.

GIULIANI: I don't want to entertain that.

But, look, that's the first thing that -- first -- first minute I heard it, first thing you think about is oh, my, goodness, what happened? Same thing with the airplane that went down in -- you know, the Malaysian airplane.

Whether it was terrorism or not, that's the first thing on your mind coming out of an area of the world where Al Qaeda has a big, big presence, an area of the world that's had a lot of terrorism.

CAVUTO: By the way, if we never find that plane -- I think official is saying that's a distinct possibility -- then what?

GIULIANI: Then that issue will always be out there, was it terrorism? It's not as if it's coming from a very safe part of the world. Look, it could be terrorism coming from a safe part of the world.

CAVUTO: Yes.

GIULIANI: But here we have a place there's -- some of those 9/11 hijackers came through Malaysia.

CAVUTO: That's right. That's right.

GIULIANI: But they still have significant resources there.

So, that's a -- I mean, that's a real possibility. The building here in New York, I wouldn't want to entertain that -- that thinking.

(CROSSTALK)

GIULIANI: But you're absolutely right. I think it's going to be true for many years. When something goes wrong in New York City, the first instinct is going to be, oh, my goodness, another terrorist attack. And I think that's the price we pay for having been attacked so brutally and so horribly.

CAVUTO: Yes. It doesn't go away.

Mayor, thank you very much.

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