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President Obama's international prestige problem

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 24, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Andrea Tantaros, Julie Roginsky, Eric Bolling, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."

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PERINO: At least Julia is her real name. For the first time ever, a majority of Americans do not think that President Obama is respected around the globe. A new Gallup poll shows more than half of the country, 53 percent, believe world leaders do not respect president, that only 41 percent do. And meanwhile, today at the Pentagon, proposed drastic cuts to the Army, including shrinking it down to the smallest size since before World War II.

Here's Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHUCK HAGEL, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: The Army must accelerate the pace and increase the scale of its post-war product. Today, there are about
520,000 active duty soldiers. We have decided to further reduce active duty army in-strength to a range of 440 to 450 soldiers.

The changes to in-strength would result in a smaller Army, but would help insure the Army remained well-trained and clearly superior in arms and equipment.

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PERINO: Certainly good to see Secretary Hagel because we were about to put out a missing person's report on him. Hadn't seen him in a while.

Greg, let's start with the Gallup poll. Do you think President Obama's numbers globally have really come down net or do you think that the expectations for him were just so high that now it's just about right?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: It could be a mixture of both, Dana. That's a very good question.

But if the world is a stage, the lead actor essentially has left the auditorium for a six-year smoke. This is what he wanted. Remember, he wanted a smaller America. And when your own president's goal is a meeker world power, this is what you're going to get. Essentially, Epcot Center is more intimidating to our leaders than America.

The fact is, though, the world needs us even if Obama doesn't.

PERINO: So, Andrea, looking at numbers. President Bush, when his -- when the poll was asked about President Bush in his presidency, it was around 24 percent, abysmal. But overall, the number even when it was at its highest in 2007, still hasn't come up beyond 53 percent. Do you think that it matters in the world what other people think? Do you think that the White House cares about a poll like this?

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Well, he told us that it matters. That's what he ran on. It matters what people think and I'm going to make other countries like us more. That was a primary goal.

The point of appointing Hagel from the get-go was have a Republican make these cuts so it doesn't look like a Democrat is using, although I use the term loosely, Republican, with Hagel's name in it. What I think he's doing, actually is forcing a peace dividend. He is basically at a time when we should be on red alert against jihadist, against Iran, against North Korea, he is basically forcing a peace dividend.

That was one thing after the Cold War because the world seemingly was getting safer. The world is not getting safer. The world is getting more dangerous. And national defense is the number one priority of the U.S.
government. The welfare state should be left to states and localities.

Obama's constitutional priorities are completely upside down.

PERINO: Do you think, Eric, that his Gallup poll numbers on a world stage, people around the world taking this poll, do you think that it has a lot to do with the economy?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I do. That's what exactly my talking point was. Five years in and the economy is still struggling. You see, they have a president that seemingly hasn't done anything besides ObamaCare and see how that's turning out.

So, from the outside looking in, I'm not surprised the numbers are sliding.

Ronald Reagan was a president who wanted to be feared more than liked.
President Obama wanted to be liked more than feared. Unfortunately, Obama has neither. We're not feared nor liked right now in the world stage.

And his wavering on Syria, that didn't help, either, when you talk about foreign policy. I agree with Andrea, though -- a lot of his failure is brought on by his own promise when he first took office. He said he didn't like the fact that Americans felt we were exceptional. Remember, he was anti-American exceptionalism, and he spent five or six years trying to even the playing field.

And what does that do? It just shows the rest of the world, we don't have to worry about them, we don't have to fear them, we don't even have to like them anymore. We want to play on an even playing field with them even though they can.

PERINO: Julie, welcome.

JULIE ROGINSKY, CO-HOST: Thank you.

PERINO: I see you didn't wear your suspenders.

ROGINSKY: I was trying to. I didn't have any. I was trying to get some suspenders from Beckel but --

PERINO: Are you surprised by these numbers? The reason I ask about being surprised is I think the world was hoping that America would get out of Iraq, get out of Afghanistan, and those things are under way. Do you think it's the Syria piece of it or maybe it's the economy or the lack of trade deals, or where do you think the angst is coming from?

ROGINSKY: Well, first of all, these are Americans who are asked whether world leaders -- other world leaders like the president.

PERINO: Respect.

ROGINSKY: It's not saying that other world leaders believe as Americans believe it, wondering other world leaders --

BOLLING: Which is worse.

ROGINSKY: Well, it's not. But which world leaders are we talking about, Vladimir Putin? Like Hafez al-Assad?

(CROSSTALK)

ROGINSKY: OK. All right. Do you really care if Assad --

BOLLING: No, no, if Americans perceive that this president isn't respected by world leaders, isn't that problematic?

ROGINSKY: Well, wait a second, was it problematic for Bush? Was it problematic? No.

BOLLING: We're not talking about Bush. I think we're talking about President Obama.

ROGINSKY: No, we're talking about President Obama. But I will say this. I think to some extent, I'm going to agree with you. The expectations for Barack Obama when he took office were so unrealistic both in this country and abroad, people thought he was going to be the second coming and it was never going to happen.

GUTFELD: Only certain people. The media.

(CROSSTALK)

ROGINSKY: You know what, I don't disagree with you. The media did, and I remember turning to another Democratic friend of mine and saying this guy is going to have a really big fall because expectations are so huge.

But, you know, now you're going into, look what's going on in Ukraine.
What's going on in Venezuela? Look what's going on around the world and in Syria --

GUTFELD: The Venezuela.

(LAUGHTER)

ROGINSKY: El Venezuela, and the question is, what exactly is Barack Obama supposed to do? Is he supposed to now give overt help to the Ukrainians in which case the Russians will say why are you playing in our backyard, or is better to have a grassroots, grasstops revolution?

The same thing goes on in Venezuela. Is he supposed to -- you know, it's in our sphere of influence, is he supposed to go down there and say this is what America wants? Which will backfire tremendously.

There's soft power that could be used a lot more forcefully than power where the United States goes in there and dictates and people in those countries get upset with you and don't want the United States involved.

TANTAROS: But isn't that the word, power? You have to have power in order to affect change.

ROGINSKY: We're the largest --

TANTAROS: And I think we're not perceived as having the power we once did. I think President Obama has a number of upcoming trips planned overseas for the rest of his tenure. What's he going to say? I'm wondering what is he going to say.

Is he going to say I downsized the military? Is this why he's doing that now, to say, see, we're not as strong as we were before? Sorry for being so strong again --

PERINO: Perfect segue, because I want to talk about the military cuts that Chuck Hagel announced. So, this is pre-budget spin. The president's budget comes out in about a week or so. They're laying the groundwork for what will be a lot of spending increases elsewhere, but to say because of sequester and all these things, we have to cut back on the military.

I thought Jack Keane -- General Jack Keane said it well today, Greg.
He said that the military is bearing disproportionate cuts because the president is unwilling to basically deal with other problems, mostly from entitlements.

GUTFELD: But this is -- we talked about this for years. This is the inevitable process when you go down the path of the ineffectual European state. Europe now is a collection of boutique countries and the reason why is because of government programs funded in part by cutting their military.
This is exactly what you must do.

As our government expands, as we've seen with ObamaCare, how do you pay for that? Well, you shrink the military. So, what you've got is this incredibly dependent society, and they can't defend themselves.

That is not any way to preserve freedom. To preserve freedom, you got to have small government, big army. Not big government, tiny army.

This is the decline of the West that we have thought would come, and this is how it's going to be. It's over. I'm moving to Texas.

PERINO: Eric, part of the administration's spin has been that we've been in -- we're in a time of austerity, that the past few years have been austere, somehow. I don't -- Charles Krauthammer, I think, called that an assault on English language, but where do -- where do they get off calling it an era of austerity?

BOLLING: We were chatting about this. We were trying to figure it out where they get the idea of -- it's kind of like when President Obama says he's cut the deficit. He's cut his own deficit. First, he raised it very high and then he cut it.

So, the only thing I can think of, and correct me if I'm wrong, anyone, they're talking about sequester. Austerity kind of says everyone participates in the cuts. Well, if that's it, the sequester would fill the bill.

But remember, sequester was a White House idea first. Then they didn't like how it was turning out because they were closing parks and things like that. So the White House turned and said, you know, those darn Republicans made us do sequester. And then it became bad. So, it was good, then it became bad.

Now, apparently, they're going to try to spin it back the other way a second time, saying those sequester cuts, that's austerity. See what we're doing for you? It's amazing the verbal gymnastics they're playing with.

PERINO: Let me get Julie's take on it politically. Maybe I'm wrong.
I think it is strange to ask members of Congress and senators to vote on a bill to cut the military in an election year where they're already underwater with public opinion and look to be on the verge of maybe, at least losing a few senate seats if thought losing the majority. What's the political rationale behind it?

ROGINSKY: I agree with you. You're not just cutting the military.
You're cutting military pay.

PERINO: Right.

ROGINSKY: You're cutting military benefits, which I wouldn't do because of the reasons you just mentioned, and because of the facts that in a lot of these states, Louisiana, Alaska, other places, you have a lot of military people who live in North Carolina, places that have contested seats.

PERINO: Right.

ROGINSKY: From a political standpoint, you're right. I'm going to correct you because you're wrong because this president has fewer federal employees working today than the previous president did. Thank you for pointing that out.

BOLLING: What did I say about that?

ROGINSKY: Well, you said -- you said, where did he shrink the government? I'm giving you one example.

BOLLING: No, no, I said he says he cut his own deficit.

ROGINSKY: He did.

BOLLING: No, no, he brought a $450 billion last year Bush term deficit up to $1.1 trillion.

ROGINSKY: Right.

BOLLING: Now, he's got it down to $700 billion or something.

ROGINSKY: Well, don't you think a lot of this deficit --

BOLLING: This is his own increase.

ROGINSKY: But you don't think a lot of these were incurred under Bush? I know you don't want to revisit Bush. But you don't think --

BOLLING: No.

ROGINSKY: No?

PERINO: I think it's actually -- I think you could put some on Bush but go back over time and the point Jack Keane was making, Andrea, is a willingness of Washington to deal with the tough issues. For example, one being that the president's put -- reached out to Republicans and said, one of the ways we can deal with the budget is to add a very technical thing called chained CPI to the budget, which basically would save us some money on entitlements and they even had to withdraw that on Friday because the Democrats weren't willing to do it.

Now, again, the military -- well, you disagree?

ROGINSKY: Yes, I do. He proposed chained CPI last year -- the Republicans -- as part of a grand bargain. Republicans said no way. And, in fact, you had Republican members of Congress going out there and campaigning against chained CPI, they did.

And now you have Obama saying, I'm not going to fall for this again.
And the Republicans are screaming about chained CPI.

TANTAROS: Before we put the viewers to sleep by debating chained CPI, which is so --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: You can explain it well though. You actually understand it.

GUTFELD: Chained CPI was something we used to do in a club before the police came.

TANTAROS: Very different. And you didn't debate it. Everyone was in agreement it was fun.

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: Isn't the larger story that we're talking about chained CPI? Like that is taking one bucket off the Titanic and it's somehow going to work? I mean --

PERINO: That's true. Good point.

TANTAROS: If I were a Democrat right now, I would be phoning up the White House screaming at them for doing these military cuts. They already have to defend ObamaCare. Now, they have to defend cutting the military.

And you and I were talking in the green room earlier. You go, I can't figure out this White House.

You know what, Dana? I don't think they have any idea what they're doing. They make it up as they go along. They have been making it up as they go along with ObamaCare.

And the same thing, they're hoping people will take the buzz feed quizzes at home. Which city should I live in? And they're not paying any attention to what's happening in D.C. That's what they're banking on.

PERINO: I took the quiz about which state you should live in?

TANTAROS: You did not. What did you get?

PERINO: I did. Well, my sister took one and she got I can't remember, I got Virginia.

ROGINSKY: I got Wyoming.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: This proves my point. It proves it exactly.

PERINO: You take the quiz?

GUTFELD: No, I didn't. I don't like quizzes.

PERINO: Do we have time for our third topic? Can you tell me?

OK, so we have Susan Rice also on the Sunday shows. Remember, she had a famous run on the Sunday shows before. Five Sunday shows in which the Benghazi talking points were revealed that she used regarding the video.
She explained that herself on that to "Meet the Press'" David Gregory yesterday.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SUSAN RICE, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: David, no, because what I said to you that morning and what I did every day since was to share the best information that we had at the time. The information I provided, which I explained to you, was what we had at the moment.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: I'm almost speechless because it's patently obviously, first of all, that Susan Rice had no reason to be on the program. She had no involvement in it. Second of all, she read talking points that we're now beginning to believe came from the White House, which were absolutely false.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Eric, were you surprised she would have said that? I mean, why not just say the talking points were not accurate, and move on? Do you think it's too dangerous?

BOLLING: No, here's what happened. Remember Hillary Clinton was supposed to show up. She said she couldn't or didn't want to for whatever reason.

PERINO: Obviously the reason.

BOLLING: Right, right. So, Susan Rice shows up, delivers the talking points that she was told to deliver. And then says now she says, you know, months later, a year and a half later, that it was the best information we had. No, it wasn't. It was the best lies you had.

The problem is not any of that. It's that she said she has no regrets. You have no regrets that you delivered the wrong information to the American public on five different shows that day?

PERINO: Even President Obama has said, Julie, I don't know if he used the word regret, but they wished they had not done what they did or they had better information.

ROGINSKY: I think you're missing the larger picture, which she almost made John McCain speechless.

(CROSSTALK)

ROGINSKY: Are you kidding?

PERINO: That's true, that's not easy to do.

ROGINSKY: Thank you. And commendable, I might add.

PERINO: All right.

GUTFELD: The problem here is, I have this theory. It's called poop island. Once you're on poop island, you can't get off.

Once people lose faith in you, no matter what you say, it doesn't ring true. That's the problem with this administration. When you look at Susan Rice, you just go, it's over. I can't take her seriously.

PERINO: But you don't want to go to that island.

GUTFELD: No, once you're on poop island, you can't get off.

ROGINSKY: Where is the poop island located?

GUTFELD: Poop island right off the shore of --

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Be careful.

PERINO: All right, tonight, don't miss "HANNITY" at 10:00 p.m.
Eastern. Sean is going to find out what Dick Cheney thinks about the Pentagon's plans to shrink down the size of our Army. It's an exclusive interview. Don't miss it.

And then, coming up, if you have had enough of Alec Baldwin, you are in luck. The actor says he's leaving public life. But will he keep his word?

Plus, Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding revisit the skating scandal 20 years later.

These stories and more when "The Five" returns.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Welcome back to the fastest seven minutes in TV. Three cool stories, seven cursory minutes, one composed host.

First up, good riddance. Hot head and cry baby actor Alec Baldwin says he's through with you, with me, with New York. Here's a refresher of bully boy's antics just after he was caught on a hot mike delivering a gay slur.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALEC BALDWIN, ACTOR: You're the one that almost hit my wife with the microphone in the face?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did not --

BALDWIN: You didn't? Yes?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I honestly did not.

BALDWIN: You want to apologize on camera. I asked you a question.
Do you want to apologize? I asked you a question. Get the (EXPLETIVE
DELETED) out of here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: And now the big man who picks on photographers and women says he's done with the media and done with the public and New York City.
So, speaking for the media in New York, and a friend of at least two of your brothers, don't let the door and hit your butt on the way out.

Greg, what does he mean he's done with public life? What does that mean?

GUTFELD: I don't know. I'm actually sad. I read the entire article.
He said basically everything is bad but him, and he says bad things about people that I love. Andrew Breitbart, he talks about the people we work for.

But I like Alec Baldwin for a couple of reasons. One, he's incredibly talented. Two, his behavior, his mistakes are impulsive, but they're not malicious.

He has a temper. He's not a sociopath. These are emotional reactions to stress. That doesn't make him a bad person.

And his anger is not about us. His anger is about feeling betrayed by the left. The pain and suffering he's getting is not from conservatives.
It's from the left eating their own.

It's the PC police that went after him for perceived slurs. I don't believe those are slurs. Those are what's called fighting words. When you get mad, you say things.

I don't believe he's a homophobe. And he is just -- went through what a lot of conservatives have gone through, and I actually salute him and I wish him well.

BOLLING: OK. So, Andrea, do you cut him the same amount of slack?
By the way, he took shots at MSNBC. He took shots at a lot of people you would think would be at least friendly.

TANTAROS: Yes, he said Rachel Maddow was a phony and a geek. And I completely disagree. Rachel Maddow has come out of the closet instead of Alec Baldwin, who I believe lets his homophobic ways sneak out in the street when he does get angry. He has no self control.

And he says he's leaving so his newest baby can have a normal and decent life. Well, his child can't have a normal and decent life because she doesn't have a normal or decent father. By the way, isn't this the second time he told us he was going to leave? So, he's threatening to leave America again?

BOLLING: Dana Perino, you predicted he may drop out of the public.

PERINO: I think I did, because I think he would say, you know what, I don't mean any of this. To hell with all of you -- I just said that, hell.

GUTFELD: Oh, my gosh, Dana.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: I'm getting -- are you allowed to say that? Anyway, I said he would say, I don't need any of this, and I don't know where he's going to go, but I think in about 18 months, he will come back to New York. And then he's going to get like a special tax credit to have a special show, and it will be live and we'll have a resurgence of Alec Baldwin.

BOLLING: Very quickly, says he longs for L.A now, the gated community, the gated homes.

ROGINSKY: He is not going anywhere. Remember when he got off Twitter for like 24 hours. And then he got off for 24 hours again. He was mad at U.S. Airlines or, whoever, American Airlines.

He's not going anywhere. He's going to live downtown. I think he thrives on this.

I think Alec Baldwin, who is incredibly talented, and I agree with Greg, is an amazing actor, but I think he thrives on this. He's got anger issues.

BOLLING: I've got to move on.

Next up, last night, NBC aired a documentary highlighted 20 years since the infamous Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan fiasco. Harding's boy toy Jeffrey Giluly took a hammer to Kerrigan's knee just days before the 1994 Lillehammer Olympics. The result, a media frenzy, a silver medal for Nancy Kerrigan, and a sad, sad Tonya Harding.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TONYA HARDING, FORMER FIGURE SKATING CHAMP: I have apologized so many times that, you know, it's not worth -- I'm sorry, she's not worth my time anymore. This 20 years thing, every four years, every two years, every whatever, it's like, I'm done. Nobody wants to hear this crap anymore.
And you know what? I don't give a damn.

NANCY KERRIGAN, FORMER FIGURE SKATING CHAMP: I think at this point, she must feel like she's on the defense all the time. That's hard for anybody to have to deal with. And so, you know, that I can't blame her.
That's -- I'm sure she want to stop talking about this, too, and move on with her life. Which, who can blame her?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Dana, you point out, Nancy Kerrigan less angry than Tonya Harding. Thoughts?

PERINOI: The thing about Tonya Harding being asked about it every two or four years, she doesn't have to talk about it at all. She could have turned down the interview. In some ways, it's the best thing that happened to her so she can continue to have some sort of public presence.

I thought that Nancy Kerrigan seems gracious and kind of always has, even at the time, she didn't lash out. She has like amazing amount of poise and class.

BOLLING: Greg, Kerrigan still makes money skating professionally.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Think that has a little to do with it?

GUTFELD: Maybe, the problem is anniversaries, that sucks because every time there's an Olympics, they have to talk about it because the Olympics are so boring.

The big question is where is the baton? Is that in some kind of like ice skating hall of fame? Where is that Lillehammer? I want to know where that is. That's got to be worth something.

Like nobody knows what happened to it. Is it in like an evident room?

BOLLING: What are you talking about?

GUTFELD: The baton.

PERINO: The weapon.

BOLLING: Oh, the hammer. Lillehammer is a place.

GUTFELD: This is a joke, a joke.

I called it a Lillehammer. It was a baton he used.

BOLLING: I got you.

Quickly on Kerrigan and Tonya Harding.

TANTAROS: I think I have been hanging out with Greg a little too long because this is going to be a very Gutfeld-esque comment, but this is where the Olympics were fun --

GUTFELD: Exactly.

TANTAROS: -- where there was drama involved. I think Tonya Harding is just white trash. I think she's white trash.

And she came out and she said later in that interview, she goes, I have already proved my innocence. Did I miss a meeting? When did that happen? She's never been innocent in her life.

I agree with Dana. Kerrigan is very gracious.

BOLLING: Jules, Tonya Harding now is landscaper.

ROGINSKY: Here's the beauty of Tonya Harding -- if it weren't for this incident she is sick of talking about, she wouldn't have made money mud wrestling, or whatever. Was she live a wrestler?

BOLLING: Boxer.

ROGINSKY: Boxer or whatever she was. Yes. So, Tonya Harding, thank you Jeff Gillooly, because she's milked it for ton.

TANTAROS: I mean, would you want her as your landscaper?

(CROSSTALK)

ROGINSKY: She took a 2 x 4 to you.

BOLLING: And this, the 56th Daytona 500 ran yesterday, but not before a 6:22 rain delay when a checkered flag finally waved, it looked like this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That 88 is pulling away.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Less than a mile to go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got a wreck.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Third generation star Dale Earnhardt, Jr. brings them to the flag. Checkered flag waving. It's over. It's Earnhardt.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: And Dale Earnhardt, Jr. took the win at 11:25 p.m. most of the race was run in primetime. I was conflicted.

Jules, I watched "The Walking Dead" and then came back to the Daytona and watched the end of --

ROGINSKY: The only thing I know about NASCAR is that awesome Will Ferrell movie, so I'm going to say it looked almost as awesome as that movie and I'll move on from --

BOLLING: Shake and bake.

ROGINSKY: Shake and bake --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: What were you watching last night, the 500?

TANTAROS: No, I was watching "Dallas Buyer's Club" on Netflix. But I've never been to a race. I hear it's pretty incredible in person. I would love to go.

BOLLING: Out of control. I have been to Daytona 500 a couple times, out of control. Even if you don't love racing, wow, what a day.

Last night, what were you doing?

GUTFELD: I don't call this the Daytona. I call this the death-tona.
When I see the effects this race has on global warming overall, I think we should make all these cars -- I would like to see these cars be electric, but they get tangled up in the cords and it wouldn't work.

But this is devil's work, people.

ROGINSKY: You think you plug it in?

GUTFELD: Yes. Think about that, everything -- there would be crashes and everybody would be flipping over. It would lee like a vacuum cleaner, you know?

BOLLING: Last thoughts on the Daytona 500, Dana?

PERINO: I love it. I would like to go, too. I think the crowd has a lot of fun. Good, clean, family fun.

By the way, Andrea, where did you get your pen? Did you steal that one, too?

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: Busted.

GUTFELD: Is that from the bank?

TANTAROS: From the Smith Restaurant, which is around the corner from Dana Perino's house.

PERINO: Always taking pens.

BOLLING: All right. We'll leave it there.

What do the "Harvard Crimson" and the Constitution have in common?
Apparently, nothing. Harvard writers suggesting we need to kill free speech to save liberalism. Wow.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: The globe is full of fascists who want to silence assent.
Venezuela, Russia, Syria, Harvard. True, Sandra Korn, a "Harvard Crimson"
columnist writes professors who hold views counter to hers, of course, should be silenced. This leftist calls her intolerance academic justice and wonders why she must entertain views she doesn't like, missing the whole point of freedom of speech.

Everyone agreed there would be no need for such freedom, I suppose.

But this is a game the hard left loves playing. To apply coercion, cloak it with language. In this case, just add justice. You want to rob the rich, call it economic justice. If you want to trash a bank, that's social justice. Shutting down a McDonald's, nutritional justice, and firing me could be homely justice, since my beauty often offends leftist.

But Korn also reveals another lefty life, that they were for free speech to begin to. Yet, the only free speech they like is their own, which speaks to their lack of confidence in their own beliefs. After all, why else would they fear opposing views?

Even funnier, Korn's article, as bad as it was, wasn't banned, which undermines her point. And that's good. The best way to eliminate toxic notions is to let people hear them.

The quickest way to ruin a racist is to let them talk. Bad ideas always have a way of outing themselves, just like this Harvard column.

So, Dana, the campus is usually a beacon of intellectual freedom, yet they keep creating all around the country these robots that spout the same intolerance. Why is that?

PERINO: I actually think we could do the greatest hits of this segment because there seems to be examples that come from a lot of well- renowned universities. Harvard being one of them. She can say whatever she wants.

One thing that drives me nuts is how journalists will often turn to students to quote people, how they feel about something or their reaction to something when actually it doesn't matter what they think.

Watch, do yourself a little experiment. For the next two weeks, as you read the paper, just check out -- they got the student. It really doesn't matter.

GUTFELD: That's a good point, Eric. Should we chalk this up to youthful indiscretion? But I don't remember --

BOLLING: At Harvard?

GUTFELD: Yes, at Harvard. Yes.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: Pretty much. The good news is she's just a Youth at Harvard who espouses a lot of the similar views, if it were any other school. All right. So, publish it. Knock yourself out. It's so strange that the premise is free speech runs the risk of ruining liberalism. It's the opposite. Liberalism runs the risk of ruining free speech, liberty, Second Amendment, Fourth Amendment. Checks and balances.

Look what's going on with the Obama administration. I hate to bring it back here, if Bob were here, he'd be punching me right now. But he -- President Obama is using the executive pen for stuff that normally presidents wouldn't be using it for. A lot more heavy stuff that what other presidents have used it for, and that is risking freedom and liberty.
He's liberal.

ROGINSKY: And a lot fewer times than other president, I might add.

BOLLING: For other things.

ROGINSKY: You know, as an avowed leftist, your beauty does not offend me. I love to behold it, just so you know. I might have a secret life- sized poster of you somewhere in my apartment, I won't say where.

GUTFELD: No, I need to hear more.

ROGINSKY: Yes, I'll tell you later.

GUTFELD: These are your people.

ROGINSKY: They are my people. When we have our secret leftist cabal, I will bring this up as an issue and we'll take a vote with a good collective, we'll decide what we're going to do about it and your horrible attitude toward my leftist colleagues, my comrades.

Look, she's crazy and she's nuts. And I agree with you and I really hate to agree with you, but I do. There's no excuse in the world why you can't have other people's opinions. I'm offended by her views, but she has a right to have them. That's what you do in college, you go crazy and you come up with stupid ideas and then you grow up and you move on.

BOLLING: Then you run for Congress.

ROGINSKY: Then you run for Congress and you impose them on other people. Right.

GUTFELD: She can't move on, Andrea, when your major is joint history of science and studies of women gender and sexuality concentrator.

This is why China is winning. Nobody in China majors in this. They major in jobs, getting a job.

TANTAROS: Yes. And population control. They're not fans of too many women, we know that.

She's right. I can't believe she actually admitted this, though.

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: She's absolutely right. She's admitting what we have all known for a long time. The left has been at odds with free speech for so long.

I mean, the truth is a threat to liberalism. Reality is a threat to liberalism.

ROGINSKY: Oh, my God.

TANTAROS: It's true. You have to heave a little more. Bob heaves.

ROGINSKY: I'm about to start heaving.

(LAUGHTER)

TANTAROS: That's why when liberals get into power, they have to bully it, they have to censor it, they have to take it away, they have to put monitors in news rooms. I mean, the president admitted in his interview that if FOX News just wouldn't cover these stories, they would just go away.

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: That's the issue there. I mean, we're covering the stories because of free speech. We can cover them. They don't like it.

BOLLING: Can you read that major one more time?

GUTFELD: Yes, joint history of science and studies of women gender and sexuality concentrator.

BOLLING: Isn't that a new Obama cabinet?

GUTFELD: If it is, she's got a job. She's smarter than all of us.

All right. We have to go. They're yelling at me in a terse matter.
Frankly, I don't appreciate it.

Next up, the world's most wanted drug lord is in custody in Mexico.
But should he be brought to the United States to face justice, (INAUDIBLE), coming up.

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TANTAROS: Well, the world's most wanted drug lord was captured over the weekend in Mazatlan, Mexico. His name is Joaquin Guzman, but he's better known as El Chapo. Chapo has been on the run for 13 years since he escaped prison in 2001. He faced multiple drug trafficking indictments here in the United States.

And Homeland Security chair, Mike McCaul, is arguing for him to be extradited here to face justice.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. MIKE MCCAUL (R), TEXAS: This is the most wanted drug lord in the world. He is the godfather of the drug cartels, caused tremendous damage to the United States, killed thousands of people.

He ought to be brought to the United States, put in a super max prison where he can't escape and face the ultimate criminal penalty in the United States.

You have corruption in Mexico. He's already escaped once. He's the most powerful man in Mexico, if not the world. And I think the flight risk and security risk is tremendous in Mexico.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: So what should happen to him?

Greg, I think it's pretty clear it's in the U.S. interest to try him in the United States. He was imprisoned before and he escaped. And the drug cartels basically run the prisons down in Mexico.

So, it would be too dangerous to let him, I guess, have his time in the justice system there again.

GUTFELD: Can I use this moment to talk about drugs?

TANTAROS: Yes.

GUTFELD: Because I don't follow the legal stuff. I know no matter what happens to him, there's going to be a massive violence to replace him in Mexico. There's always another one to fill his spot. The logic of prohibition creates this kind of criminality.

The idea you can stop me from alleviating the curse of consciousness is absurd. I should not be punished for other people's weakness. We're the only animals that actively seek out remedies and we're capable of it.
That's what we do.

Stop fighting it. Accept it. Legalize this, and you eliminate most criminality.

TANTAROS: Do you agree with Bob Marley, Julie? Because I saw you nodding your head. And I would actually have to agree with Greg in a couple ways, but in one way, I do think that the country has sort of given up on the drug war.

ROGINSKY: We've lost the drug war and Greg is 100 percent right.
What are we doing killing people over drugs? What are we doing prosecuting, spending millions if not billions of dollars going after people? As Greg said, they're going to do it anyway. It's going to happen.

GUTFELD: I'm going to do it.

ROGINSKY: Well, God bless. That's wonderful. We can talk about that later, you know, several issues we need to discuss.

But with this, you know, you're absolutely right. By the way, I think those guy's nickname is awesome, Shorty. I want to know what your drug name would be.

PERINO: What would your kingpin nickname me?

ROGINSKY: I don't know. I haven't thought about this.

GUTFELD: The chuckler.

ROGINSKY: The chuckler, OK.

TANTAROS: Would Dana be El Chapa?

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Eric, isn't it in Mexico's interest to have him tried in the United States? It's a lot harder to run drug cartels from Marion, Illinois?

BOLLING: I'm onboard. I say let them, let Mexico deal with their own issues. They're having a hard enough time trying to round him up.

We're running out of time, but there's sub-story, subtext to lend more credence to the argument. Colorado is expecting next year to come in, bring in another $134 million in tax revenue from legalizing marijuana, just legalizing marijuana alone. If that doesn't give you enough incentive to say stop fighting this, stop spending $150 million in Colorado, and start taking in $150 million, do it in every state. You'll help out a lot of states.

PERINO: Oh, it gives me heartburn. It gives me heartburn.

TANTAROS: "The Associated Press" reported last week that the cartels have already infiltrated every city. So what do you think should happen?

PERINO: Well, what do they think is going to happen when they start saying the drugs -- Of course, it's going to be a market for people to -- I don't know. I understand. I have learned a lot from you guys about gateway drugs and things, but I just can't help but thinking the unintended consequence of all these things, especially tying an issue like this to the money, $154 million and then you get addicted to that money, too. And then we're basically living off of other people's addictions to their drugs.

I don't know -- I don't know exactly what should happen. However, this guy is also wanted for murder. It's not just that he was passing out drugs and getting some money for it. He actually is wanted for murder.
Therefore I think...

GUTFELD: In Prohibition, they killed people, too.

TANTAROS: We don't have prohibition of alcohol anymore.

GUTFELD: That's what I'm saying. It went away then.

TANTAROS: Well, Escobar, we didn't extradite him to the United States. He was tried in Colombia. He set up a fancy prison for himself.
And anyone who tries to stand in the way and actually put these guys to justice, they end up getting shot, literally, at the funerals in the streets.

PERINO: It's interesting the way the left and the right seems to agree on a lot of things. Except for me, where I'll just sit over here and take some Rolaids.

GUTFELD: Because you're high, Dana. Don't get high before the show.

TANTAROS: Still ahead, Hollywood wants everyone to pay their fair share, except for Hollywood. Some real-life drama surrounding the political drama on "House of Cards." We'll tell you about that, up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

ROGINSKY: The hit Netflix series "House of Cards" follows the path of a ruthless politician called Frank Underwood, played by Kevin Spacey.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KEVIN SPACEY, ACTOR: Don't surprise me. Now, you're both to meet with my wife tomorrow, and you are to hear her out. She will go through your concerns point by point, and I am certain after that that the two of you will make the right decision. This is the part where you leave.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ROGINSKY: The show's filmed in Maryland and received about $25 million in tax benefits during the first two seasons, and apparently, that's not enough. Now the production company is threatening to leave the state if their tax credits aren't increased. But how fast should Maryland throw this show under the train? This is ridiculous.

GUTFELD: Well, this comes to a joke I wrote this morning. When does a liberal think like a businessman? When it's his business. And when it's not, it's back to the punitive theft of other people's money. These people all voted for Obama. They all voted for taxing and taking your money. And now it's -- they're in trouble. They demand the credits. Give them the credits.

ROGINSKY: All right. And they expect special treatment.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

PERINO: They want special treatment. And a lot of these states are giving it.

ROGINSKY: You're right.

PERINO: But it's hard to say whether this is actually -- if it was actually worth it for Maryland. And a lot of these states end up having, you may get temporary jobs, but you don't get permanent jobs.

ROGINSKY: A couple of thousand, they said, but it's not going to last. What do you think?

BOLLING: I think Maryland and -- has realized what New York is realizing and some of the other states, that the way to incentivize businesses to come to your state is by dropping their taxes. Why can't the rest of the country do the same thing? Why can't you extrapolate that for all businesses, not just the film industry? Because it's cool and hip and trendy. Everyone should have lower tax rates and then, guess what? We would be bringing jobs and companies overseas here to do business.

ROGINSKY: So you're against tax credits for...?

BOLLING: I'm all for more tax credits. Not just for the film industry, but every other business.

TANTAROS: All right. I don't even know what that means, but go ahead. Everybody gets them.

BOLLING: I wouldn't expect you to understand what that means, being a liberal.

TANTAROS: Kevin Spacey, the big Hollywood liberal thinks that his taxes are too high and they should just give him money. I think, if Governor O'Malley were smart -- he's not going to do this -- but he would lower the taxes for everybody in the state of Maryland. And if Kevin Spacey doesn't like it, pound sand. Go somewhere else.

PERINO: But they are -- but last year, O'Malley raised taxes twice on...

TANTAROS: Yes. He's not going to do it.

PERINO: ... on the income earners in Maryland.

TANTAROS: The two Americas that de Blasio talks about, that Obama talks about, it's the connected and the non-connected.

ROGINSKY: I don't know how Kevin Spacey and Frank Underwood became de Blasio and Barack Obama, but OK.

PERINO: It's very clear to me.

ROGINSKY: We're out of time, right? "One More Thing" is coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." I'm going to kick it off talking about the end of an era.

John Dingell, congressman from Michigan, from Detroit, is announcing he's going to retire at the end of this year. He's 87 years old. He's been there since 1955. I have to say, when I was there on Capitol Hill, he was so nice to all of us staffers. He was a giant of the Hill. And a lot of people think maybe it's time for him to go. He will be the longest serving member of Congress in June. And he'll surpass all of the other record holders, and we wish him well. I wish him well. I don't know.

I'm going to go to Andrea next. I don't know if anyone is going to comment.

TANTAROS: I'm wishing him well, too.

I agree with you. He's very well-liked by Republicans.

PERINO: A very nice guy.

TANTAROS: OK. So remember this photo from the "New York Post" when twerker in chief Robin Thicke actually had his hand -- whoopee, up some girl's dress and got busted. And they talked to his wife, and she said, "Oh, we have a strong marriage and everything is OK."

Now he's going to be twerking his way to divorce court. This afternoon, "People" magazine reported exclusively that Paula Patton and Robin Thicke are headed for divorce. So it's very sad, as they have a little boy. But can't say I didn't see it coming.

PERINO: All right, Greg, you're next.

GUTFELD: It's time for "No One Cares."

Last night, Miley Cyrus and Katy Perry were at a concert at Staples Center, I believe. It's in Los Angeles. And onstage, you know what they did? They kissed each other passionately, but you didn't hear about it because no one cares. And that's good.

PERINO: That is good.

TANTAROS: It has become the oldest trick in the book, right? When you want attention, two girls just kiss.

GUTFELD; Yes.

PERINO: Don't get any ideas. Our ratings are just fine.

GUTFELD: We're all good.

ROGINSKY: By the way, I would never say "you're all good."

BOLLING: You can apply Greg's "One More Thing" to my "One More Thing." I'm not sure this is the lamest "One More Thing" ever or kind of funny. Here's Rob Ford, Toronto mayor. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(SHOUTING)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: OK.

BOLLING: He's the greatest.

ROGINSKY: What was he doing?

BOLLING: He -- he ran into a fire hydrant.

TANTAROS: That might be the lamest "One More Thing."

GUTFELD: That has happened.

PERINO: That looks like it hurt.

GUTFELD: It hits me in my pecs.

PERINO: Obviously. I got it in the chin. OK, Julie, you're next.

ROGINSKY: Well, obviously, we're sticking to a drug theme today, because I want to talk about the savvy, savvy Girl Scout who's selling cookies outside the pot clinic in Colorado. I think this girl is genius. Harvard Business School should hire her to teach a class today, not wait until she's a Harvard graduate, and she needs to show everybody how the free market works.

BOLLING: They moved her, though.

ROGINSKY: She saw an opportunity and took it. And I love it.

BOLLING: They did. They moved her away.

ROGINSKY: Moved her away. They need to let her stay.

PERINO: That's a draw, though. You see the Girl Scout cookies, you tend to go to them. I would like that.

All right. Don't forget to set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you back here tomorrow.

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