Papers reveal Hillary's thoughts on Lewinsky, health care

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 10, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five".

Really, Bob?


GUILFOYLE: Bombshell documents obtained by "The Washington Free Beacon" detail Hillary Clinton's time as first lady, painting the potential 2016 Democratic frontrunner as a ruthless political operative. The papers are a collection of letters from Diane Blair, one of Clinton's closest friends and advisers, who took copious notes of her conversations with Hillary leading up to Blair's death in 2000.

Among the revelations, Clinton referred to Monica Lewinsky as a narcissistic loony toon, the media as having big egos and small brains, and even called for a single-payer health system in 1993.

Boy, does she sound qualified to become president. I mean, you don't want to get on her hit list. Does any of this sound believable to you, important, relevant to 2016?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I would say, the part where Ms. Blair called Hillary Clinton, portrayed her as ruthless, driven. I mean, Hillary Clinton was excusing Bill Clinton's dalliances because she was concerned about how it would look for the family, (a), and, (b), for the president. I mean, it's unbelievable, unbelievable. It's so insightful.

It's a really long piece, but it reads really quickly, like you're sitting on a beach reading a novel. So many insights into the way Hillary saw the presidency. Maybe she looked the other way because she thought she was going to be there some day.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Dalliances. Is that what you called them?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: That's a polite word.

GUILFOYLE: That's a nice way to say it. OK.

BOLLING: Do you disagree?

BECKEL: No, not my turn. Go ahead.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it could be, because you kind of made it --

BECKEL: Let me just say this. I think these revelations are meaningless. I mean, did anybody not think Hillary Clinton is not a ruthless political person? I mean, is there anything new to that? No. The fact she called the bimbo a loony toon, she's a loony toon bimbo. I mean, what else is new about that?

BOLLING: Her fault, it's her fault that a 50-year-old president was fooling around with a 21-year-old intern.

BECKEL: Twenty-one-year-old intern, I think it was, and she was of age. What could you say? I mean, it was a bad idea.


BECKEL: Was anybody really surprised that Bill Clinton was going to have a dalliance? No.

GUILFOYLE: Well, not with her.

PERINO: OK. Nice try.

And I think most people in America will say, didn't we already deal with this in 1998? Do we have to keep talking about this?


PERINO: However, the Clintons own their past, they own their present, and they hope they're in charge of their future and that they can own that as well.

In this report and the Hillary papers, it says she called Lewinsky a narcissistic loony toon. That's probably the nicest thing she said about her, because they decided --

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I thought --

PERINO: -- I assume they decided as a family or she as a individual decided this is how I want to try to shape my future. I agree with Bob. I think it's probably not a lot -- making a mountain out of a mole hill because what's wrong with being ruthless and driven? Don't you want a president who is ruthless and driven on behalf of America?

I'm not saying for Hillary Clinton, but I think that it's not a distraction to call her ruthless and driven.

BECKEL: I notice you didn't defend the press on her comments about the ego-driven.

PERINO: Oh, I have that. I was saving it for the next round.

GUILFOYLE: I want somebody that's going to make Kim Jong-un to cry for his mother. I want him to be very afraid. So, I mean, he'd be afraid of somebody.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: What is the opposite of ruthless? Ruthful? You don't want somebody who is ruthful. You want somebody who is ruthless.

She's truly the anti-feminist icon. Her husband cheats like crazy, and what does she do? She blames herself and she blames the intern. If that was a Republican woman, she would have mocked her for this type of subservience.

Bill said, and this is -- Hillary said about Bill, that he never had sex, quote, "within any real meaning," end quote. How awesome is it to have a wife like that to set a bar so high for infidelity, that he could sleep with the entire cast of "Glee" and she'd be like, no, that's not sex, go for it.

The media piece in this, though, don't -- I don't think you should mistake these revelations as meaningful journalism because people, the media and Hillary know that Bill-hazi is more interesting than Benghazi. And Bill's infidelities will now be useful to Hillary to distract from the real damaging stuff.

BOLLING: Can I throw something in there also? Hillary said that he was weak. That he wasn't tough enough. He didn't fire enough people.

PERINO: Wasn't ruthless.

BOLLING: He wasn't ruthless enough. Well, I understand what you're saying, this is years later. But then again, you're getting insight as to what kind, if she were to be elected president, what kind of ruthless president, maybe you want that.

GUILFOYLE: Let me ask you something, Eric. One of the criticisms of Obama is he should fire people, like Sebelius, and whatnot -- I think Hillary would.

BOLLING: That's fine. But she was doing this when she was first lady.

GUILFOYLE: She got a firing squad.

BOLLING: She was doing this when she was first lady.

GUILFOYLE: Right. I get you.

BECKEL: It was very clear in that White House, and I spent a lot of time there. She was -- she was after people, and he just refused. He was so loyal to a fault, or maybe there was more psychology, but he did not like people to let people go.

Think about it. Name me one person who was in the first term that wasn't significance. I can't think of one.

GUILFOYLE: But Obama doesn't let her go either.


PERINO: I'll tell you one on the commercial break.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, really?

BECKEL: Oh, really?

PERINO: Yes. I do agree with her on one thing.

She said the press has big egos and no brains. We might agree. No, I'm kidding.

But she's going to need the press. The press is not going to bend over backwards to try to help through all of this.

GUTFELD: Can we also bring up the fact how weird it is to have a close friend who keeps copious notes of you?


GUILFOYLE: Who, by the way, then dies.

GUTFELD: Yes. I don't know. I don't want anybody taking notes of what I'm doing because it would be very embarrassing.

GUILFOYLE: I keep all those notes you write every day when you put them in the trash.

GUTFELD: Oh, very good.

Considering what happens when she does win, then that means Bill will be back in the White House, which means he has two and a half years to get everything out of his system before then, so we should lock up our daughters, our mothers, our grandmothers and sheep until he gets back in the White House.

PERINO: But I think -- as you said, they set the bar, so it doesn't matter, right? I mean, at that point, nothing matters.

BECKEL: From a policy initiative, the best thing you can have is Bill Clinton back in the White House. People asked who would you like to have in White House right now over anybody who has been in the White House in the last 30 years, they'd say Bill Clinton.

PERINO: No way.

BOLLING: Where is that poll?

BECKEL: People love Bill Clinton. He's the most beloved figure in American politics.

GUILFOYLE: I would take Reagan or either of the Bushes.

GUTFELD: He's Bubba. He's like interesting. I think that's a challenge to Republicans because there's no one as interesting as bubby.

PERINO: I think that drama, people are over it. They sit there and think, do we really have to go through this another eight years? Here's the thing, people might like Bill Clinton, but I'm going to tell you something, every time you see Bill Clinton, there's a part of you in the back of your mind that thinks, wow, he was doing that in the Oval Office while he was president.


PERINO: They won't be able to escape it, so may they have decided to embrace it.

BECKEL: I think it's very rare that people are going to think about that.

Look, with all due respect, she brings a lot of interesting drama to the White House. For a Republican presidency, there would be no drama.

GUTFELD: Maybe we want no drama.


GUILFOYLE: How about getting stuff done? A lot of people said that about Clinton, they wished he wasn't so beleaguered with the problems and scandals. He could have gotten more done.

BECKEL: Best eight years of economic group in the history of American politics.

GUILFOYLE: Imagine if he had applied himself.


PERINO: Get him, Eric.

GUILFOYLE: Go ahead.

BOLLING: It was Ronald Reagan and it was after Jimmy Carter trashed the economy. The most significant was after is during the Reagan administration.

Bill Clinton, to his credit, rode the coattails of the Internet bubble, and that worked for him, but it was nowhere near with the Reagan economic growth numbers and GDP numbers out of Reagan era far surpassed Bill Clinton. Can I point something out?

Hillary Clinton in a "New York Times" interview, talked about not being in favor of a single-payer system as far as health care goes. Yet in these documents, Ms. Blair says, you know what? Behind the scenes, she was saying that in the media, but she really was all for a single-payer system than any other system --


BOLLING: Like an assisted government system or a competitive government, quasi government system would not work, which is what, it completely was different from what she was telling the media.

PERINO: I think that's the most damaging thing because people are going to say, look, we get the drama with the Clintons. We get what happened with them in their past, whatever.

Benghazi is a piece of it. But rather than what they did in the past, what would she be like as president? And if one of the things she used to advocate in her private moments, that she wanted a single-payer system, well, then, let's have her argue that. Let's see if she's going to be able to stand up and make the case to the American people that that's the kind of health care system we want.

GUILFOYLE: I think that would be insightful to --

BECKEL: She went on record saying this. Her feelings have evolved. That was 20 years ago.

PERINO: And do you think they have evolved back now?


PERINO: Don't you think that was politically expedient?

BECKLEL: I wish they would.

PERINO: Don't you think it was politically expedient?

BECKEL: No, I think back then, she actually believed it. I think now, she doesn't believe it, doesn't think it's going to work. I happen to think it would.

BOLLING: Wait, did I get this wrong? I apologize if I did. But did she not say it at the time?

BECKEL: Yes, she did.

BOLLING: I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about before evolution.


BECKEL: But 20 years ago. Yes, when you were 19.

BOLLING: But my point is, while she's telling the media one thing, she's telling her best friend the exact opposite the way I understand it. I could be wrong, though.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Let me bring up one other tidbit. How about General Petraeus, Dana, our friend, the comments he had about Hillary being supportive, saying that in the aftermath, the wake of Benghazi, that he thought she handled herself, conducted herself in a very good way.

PERINO: I just love it that the Democrats are trying to use General Petraeus' endorsement of Hillary Clinton as their cover for all the things after the things that happened in their past.

But General Petraeus learned a great lesson in leadership, and that is forgiveness. He forgave the Democrats that horrible hearing and he was able to separate politics from policy.

And he -- I take him at his word -- he thinks that she'd be a good president. Maybe he thinks that she'd be a better president.

But I have also another feeling about this. When you're in an interview, if somebody says, do you think so or so would be a good president, unless you want to trash them, you typically say yes.

BECKEL: I think his words were more enthusiastic than that. He said she would be an exceptionally good president. She made a lot of very good decisions, that yes, he thought Benghazi was a mistake, but it wasn't an epic scandal.

I think Petraeus -- yes, we're going to use Petraeus. You all used Petraeus for your own purposes. We're going to use him here.

GUILFOYLE: Well, but you can also make a distinguishing point here, that Petraeus, it seems to be referring after Benghazi, not what was going on during or, oh, what difference does it make, or any of that? Saying that cleaning it up after.

BECKEL: She was excellent with the generals when it came to when she was on the armed services committee. They loved her.

PERINO: She's got a good reputation with them, that's true.

GUTFELD: The bigger point is how easy it is nowadays to attain power and hold on to it for decades despite doing so little. We're a country that thrived on competition, but we can't go beyond two parties with the same old faces. Whether it's the left or right, we have the same jerks that are paraded out in front of us, and we just accept them. We don't think of -- maybe we're tired of the Clintons, maybe we're tired of the Bushes. Maybe we want some new people.

GUILFOYLE: Maybe we want some new blood, right?

PERINO: That's how you got Obama.

GUTFELD: That's true, maybe the greatest progressive president in the history of the Democrats. That was the right thing to do. The Republicans should look at, I've said this.

PERINO: That's a good point.

GUTFELD: They have to find their Obama. And they haven't found their Obama yet, which is why they're going to lose to Hillary.

GUILFOYLE: Well, we're going to talk more about 2016 and what's the look ahead later in the show. So, stay tuned for that. Maybe we can all come up with someone we thought would be fresh and new for the race, all right?

So, directly ahead on "The Five", the fury is still raging after the CBO's dismal report on ObamaCare's the impact on jobs and the economy. Now, Democrats are scrambling to defend the health care law any way they can. You're going to hear their spin, coming up next.


PERINO: All right. The fallout continues from last week's dismal Congressional Budget Office report, projecting ObamaCare would lead to the equivalent of 2 million workers leaving the workforce.

Now, Democrats are scrambling to defend the law. And here's former White House senior adviser David Plouffe dismissing the CBO report.


DAVID PLOUFFE, FORMER WHITE HOUSE SENIOR ADVISER: Well, first of all, I highly doubt that the first week in November 2014 voters who are undecided in the Senate or House race are going to be undecided on the CBO report. We blow this thing up in Washington. I'd say this, you asked whether they want to keep the focus on ObamaCare? They're obsessed with it, and voters see through it.

Most Americans and almost every swing voter, they do not want to have another political fight about health care. They want it to be implemented and fixed.


PERINO: Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison on the other hand says it's actually good because Americans are already working way too hard.


REP. KEITH ELLISON (D), MINNESOTA: We're going to have parent being able to come home, working reasonable hours. People are going to be able to retire. People might be able to cook dinner rather than have to order out and get some take-out. Americans work way more than the average industrialized countries around the world. You know, we might want to look at our work balance -- our work/life balance.


PERINO: OK, before everyone explodes, let me just say, one of the things, Eric, that gives people the choice to stay home or spend time, is tax rates. People have to work harder in order to pay their tax bills, in my opinion.

But what did you make of Ellison's point?

BOLLING: So, bizarre comments from Representative Ellison, but to his credit, he's staying consistent in liberal la la land. Work is bad, hard work is worse. Getting stuff is good.

But the best part of this is Plouffe and Ellison are outright admitting they're going to defend this in 2014. They have no shot. If the Republicans are smart, stay on the ObamaCare message. Stay on work.

Ellison just opened it up, Plouffe just opened it up, handed it to your back in a silver platter. Stay away from all the stuff about libidos and stay on jobs and work.

PERINO: It was interesting, because, Greg, he said that Republicans are obsessed with ObamaCare. But isn't that what a lot of political pundits should be, the Republicans should be just focused on ObamaCare to get through the 2014 election?

GUTFELD: Yes. Well, Ellison, he's the perfect perk to talk about how bad work is, because he's a political hack whose only function is to moan about how bad America is. No wonder he thinks work is expendable. ObamaCare is considered liberating for people. If you use that logic, so is prison and so is death because you don't work there, either.

So, maybe we should just take it to the end. It's based on a toxic notion than jobs or work doesn't matter unless somehow that work draws attention to itself. So, people -- the left somehow things everybody has these ideal TV jobs like being a dancer or an architect, and every other job where you actually make something is worthless, you're not a human being anymore, you're just a robot, and it's arrogant and it's stupid.

TANTAROS: Bob, one of the things that happened before we came out here is the White House and Obama administration announced they're going to delay yet again the employer mandate part of ObamaCare until 2016. Does that just on its face not look exceedingly political? That a president can delay any part of any major law for political reasons?

BECKEL: Well, I certainly hope it's political. I mean, it's a good idea.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my gosh. Listen, a couple other things. You keep saying liberal, liberals --

GUTFELD: That's what they are.

BECKEL: -- all thinking things are bad things. Most of these people are in jobs they don't like. They stay there because they get health insurance.


GUTFELD: You judge it if they like it or not, you judge who likes their job, who made you the king of what's a good job?

BOLLING: That's who Ellison was talking about, most of the people --

BECKEL: I listened to your guys' crap for the last --



GUTFELD: You have been crapping all over this table.

GUILFOYLE: And it's coming over here. Let me out of here.

BECKEL: Let me say this -- let me take a supposition that a lot of people didn't like the jobs they were in, they would like to do something else.

GUTFELD: What if I felt you didn't like your job, Bob?

GUILFOYLE: What is this?

GUTFELD: Go ahead.

BECKEL: Never mind, never mind --

GUTFELD: I just want to know how you can make that judgment.

BECKEL: This is the problem with 4-1, I can't get a word. Go ahead, move on.

BOLLING: Come on.

BECKEL: No, I'm done. I am done. I'm done. I am done. I am done.

PERINO: OK, while he pouts, I want you to take a look at this report from "CBS Evening News" last night --

BECKEL: Thank you.

PERINO: -- so it's not necessarily just about how ObamaCare is not working. It's actually how it is working and what's happening to families and major news corporations picking it up and running stories like this.


DR. SANDY MELZER, SEATTLE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL: The exclusion of a major provider like Seattle children's from a major insurance network in this market is unprecedented. We're seeing denials of care, disruptions in care. We're seeing a great deal of confusion, and at times, anger and frustration on the part of these families who bought insurance thinking that their children were going to be covered and they have in fact found it's a false promise.


PERINO: Kimberly, as a mom, what would that be like if you thought your child had insurance, had an important problem. You go to the hospital to get it taken care of and you find out, actually, it wasn't covered.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I know how that is. It's very anxiety-producing. I remember because our insurance changed between December to January. And I was scrambling to get Ronan his surgery before the end of the year, because I wasn't sure what was going to be covered and what was going to happen. It's expensive.

So, that's very stressful for families because then they have to decide, OK, do we put something off? How long can we put it off, what other bills do we pay, especially when your president is making promises that he's doing something supposedly in the best interest of the country, that it's going to be better for each family, and it turns out not to be, and it turns out to cause jobs will be lost and people will not be covered and expenses and premiums to go up. What is good about that?

PERINO: Well, we don't know, but we'll have plenty of time to talk about it --


PERINO: -- because I think both -- the Democrats and Republicans both have said ObamaCare is the issue of 2014. And it's too bad that the individuals in America don't have a lobbyist like the businesses who just got ObamaCare delayed for another year.

Coming up, University of Missouri football star Michael Sam public announces that he is gay, and how is NFL reacting to that? The report is next up on "The Five".


BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody. The fastest seven rides again, three sporty stories, seven speedy minutes, and one spirited host.

First up, the 2014 Sochi Olympics kicked off Friday night with pomp and circumstance.

NBC hired "Game of Thrones" actor Peter Dinklage to narrate the festivities while describing some of the history of Russia. Dinklage dropped this bomb.


PETER DINKLAGE, ACTOR (voice-over): The empire that ascended to affirm a colossal footprint, the revolution that birthed one of modern history's pivotal experiments. But its politics has long shaped our sense of who they are, its passion that endures.


BOLLING: So, NBC is calling communism a pivotal experiment, tens of millions of people dead, a bizarre choice of words.

NBC, it's a package, by the way. You saw that, was want like some guy commenting and he threw something out there.

GUILFOYLE: This was put together. There was a script. They added all the footage to it -- highly produced, as we say.

Problem is, like NBC is walking a tightrope. What are they supposed to do? Disrespect Russia in their little montage? No, but at the same time, they're sort of endorsing this whole history of Russia. They're endorsing communism, all of this, and is that a very good idea to do? They're alienating people by doing that, viewer, dollars, demo.

BOLLING: Bring it around, Robert Beckel.

BECKEL: I think if you look at historically, he talked about the difference between czars and communists. The czars were horrible, murdering, mass-murdering people, as were the communists, but change in the revolution did give some hope to the people in that country. It turned out to be not the best system in the country, but certainly it was far better than the czars.

BOLLING: Bolshevik revolution --


BOLLING: Dana, some people are saying, you know what, maybe they shouldn't be taken to task for that. Maybe they should be taking more to task for their cutting the editing of that anti-defamation piece from the - - I believe it was in the opening ceremonies where they cut a piece out.

PERINO: I don't know why NBC always seems to get itself in this position.

GUILFOYLE: You notice that?

PERINO: It seems like over and over again, you remember the whole "America under God" when they had the Pledge of Allegiance?

BOLLING: They edited it.

PERINO: They edited it out. Pivotal experiment, I'd like to see how many times that was in the edit bay, like what should we call it? And also wondered, how many of these things Putin has actually seen. Like do his people show him the coverage? Or does he just think this is the best thing that's ever happened?

BOLLING: What do you think, Greg? Are you OK with NBC classifying communism as a pivotal experience.

GUTFELD: Well, you know, I think it's a combination of happy arrogance and showmanship. There's a lot of people who frankly don't know anything that happened before 1999.

BOLLING: Absolutely.

GUTFELD: We have a lot of people who have become less and less interested in history and more interested in what going on right now, thanks to the Internet and stuff like that. Are the Olympics the time and place to explain the evils of communism?


GUTFELD: No, but when you start doing stuff like that, somebody has to step in and say this is wrong, if you start glossing over history. The problem with, you know, USSR was a corrupt prison throughout the 20th century. Now, the prison is open, there's still corruption. I feel bad for the citizens that are being --


BOLLING: We've got to go. I've got move on. We've got to move on.

University of Missouri defensive end Michael Sam, a top prospect to be drafted into the NFL, came out over the weekend, declaring he was gay. Listen.


MICHAEL SAM, UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI: Came to tell the world that I am an openly proud gay man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How does it feel to say those words to the world?

SAM: It's a load off my chest. I told my teammates this past August, that I came out to my teammates, and they took it great. They rallied around me, they supported me, and I couldn't have asked for better teammates.


BOLLING: Bobby, you take this one first, the first openly gay player in the NFL.

BECKEL: I think that's fine. I think there are others, and I think it gives an opportunity for those people, if they want to, to come forward. Look, we're into the year 2014.

It's time for us to put this behind us. He can play basketball like nobody else --

GUILFOYLE: You mean football.

BECKEL: Excuse me, football.

PERINO: And he's baseball, he's great.

BECKEL: He plays basketball, too. But I think the idea is a good idea.

BOLLING: Dana, some uproar going back and forth. Initially, his draft pick dropped by 70 points, but apparently, it bounced back.

PERINO: I would hope that's just an aberration and not people thinking -- he made a brave step, this is important to him. I personally don't care if anybody is gay or not gay, but if he feels like he wants to announce that to the world, great.

BOLLING: There were some scouts or executives in the NFL who said that would be disruptive in the locker room. You thoughts on it?

GUTFELD: There's always opinions like that. It's always exciting to hear when somebody is gay. Sherman Hemsley, Jim Neighbors, Zachary Quinto.

BOLLING: Jim Neighbors?

GUTFELD: Yes, I know, hard to believe. Lance Bass.

It's never a big deal when somebody says they're straight, but I think that's wrong. It's homophobic because you're turning sexuality into a novelty act. You're saying, oh, my God, it turns everybody into a bunch of gossips, especially the media.

GUILFOYLE: OK. I think it's great if it makes people feel more comfortable. There's solidarity for others who are struggling with it. Of course, there are gay guys in the NFL, come on.

BECKEL: Who, and how do you know?

PERINO: If you're worried about the locker room thing, why do they let women correspondence into the locker room to interview the players after the game?

BOLLING: Well, less uncomfortable. Anyway, let's move on. We have to do this quick.

Next up, you make the call. Oklahoma state basketball star Marcus Smart fell into the fans at the rival Texas Tech Stadium. A Texas Tech super fan allegedly yelled, quote, "piece of crap", at Smart. Here's the video.


SPORTS ANCHOR: Going the other way. Marcus fouled on the way up.


BOLLING: Smart has been suspended by OK State. So, we asked, who crossed the line. We start with you, our resident sports expert?

PERINO: He did, the player, I think because I don't like it when people can't control their anger, their emotions. He's the player, he needs to be the one saying walking away from that. Why do you need to push a fan?

BOLLING: Can you imagine if this guy was playing at Madison Square Garden? Piece of crap, that'd be like, hey, thanks.

PERINO: That's a compliment.

GUTFELD: It's like going after a commenter on YouTube. It lowers you. You have to remind yourself you're the player and they're watching you play, and after the game, shoot them.


BOLLING: Go ahead.

GUILFOYLE: So he's, what, 19 years old? Something like that. The background on it is that he is very well-regarded, well-respected by his teammates, coach, really good guy. So, they don't have anything bad to say about him. He acted poorly.

I think he handled the press afterwards very well in terms of his statements, saying I'm a role model, people look up to me. He got off with three games suspended, and also that super fan has been problematic, but he's not going to be attending the games anymore.

BECKEL: I think the guy should have been suspended.

GUILFOYLE: I heard it on FOX.

BECKEL: He did lose his temper, he shouldn't have lost his temper, but that fat punk ought to be off the court and never be brought back. If I were him, I agree with Greg, I'd shoot him in the parking lot.

GUILFOYLE: Whoa! What are you talking about?

GUTFELD: I was kidding, Bob.

BOLLING: You play sports, this called (INAUDIBLE). You've got to leave the people, whatever this thing in the stand, otherwise, it messes with you.

GUILFOYLE: They don't want the super fan there anymore.

BOLLING: We've got to go. Directly ahead, loud mouthed Rosie O'Donnell will return to her old show "The View" after seven years and reveal her teenage son wants to join the military. Sounds wonderful, right?

Well, maybe not in her eyes. We'll show you Rosie's surprising reaction next up on "The Five".


GUTFELD: During a return visit to something called "The View", Rosie O'Donnell spoke of her son joining the military.


ROSIE O'DONNELL, COMEDIAN: He's 18. There he is in his military uniform. He's been accepted to the Citadel.

He's very into the military because how do you annoy a left wing liberal pacifist mother? You become a military man.

I said to him, why? Why do you want to this? He said, because only in America, mom, could someone who came from a horrible childhood grew up and adopt a kid like me who needed a family and I owe something to the country. I said, no, my son, you owe something to me!


GUTFELD: Great impression.

Anyway, Rosie's response as a parent points to a refreshing revolution in modern rebellion. What when the parents are the radicals, the intemperate, the emotional, the impulsive, the eternally wrong. What happens when it's the parents, not their kids, that are the whacked out progs who think 9/11 was an inside job or America sucks? Was that idiocy usually reflected in the rebellious child as a reaction to his boring parents? Now, it's been reversed.

Tradition is now the modern rebellion. Structure and discipline are the new sex and drugs.

I've spent most of my life observing the banality of rebellion. All the bad boys and girls working from the same script. Rebellion meant infantile activism and there was no deviation from dissent.

It turns out, you can be a rebel and a sheep as long as the dissent is agreed upon by all parties. But now, all those shouty brats of grown up becoming the tedious robots that everyone must rebel against and it's about time. After 40 years of crapping on America, we long for the rise of a true rebel, what we used to call the patriot -- a noble creature that rejects theatrics in favor of thankfulness. Like Rosie's son, who might have sounded silly in the '60s, but now he's cooler than Kanye.

Did you fall asleep during that, Bob.

BECKEL: No, I didn't, Greg. It was very emotional and moving.

PERINO: There wasn't anything about Obama.


BECKEL: No, no, I was thinking about this. I think it must drive her crazy that he's going to the Citadel.

GUTFELD: She seemed proud, though, right?

BECKEL: I think the fact that he's doing it, first, he thinks it's cool to get in, and secondly, he probably means what he says, he thinks he owes to his country.

But I will take exception to saying that all the rabblerousing radicals back in the '60s and '70s, of which I was one, there were some causes that mattered to us, whether it was the civil rights movement or the women's movement or the Vietnam War, we made a difference.

GUTFELD: That's true, you had a lot of movements.


BECKEL: I'll let that one go because I could have gotten you. That was right down the middle.

GUTFELD: I know, I couldn't resist it.

Eric, I think she actually is really very proud of it, but her attitude, I thought, was refreshing, I guess.

BOLLNG: No, no, I think clearly she's beaming with pride, and she should be, rightly so, she should be. How I wish your monologue were true, though. I wish kids now were going to rebellious by being patriotic and joining the military.

But then you think back just two years ago, we have Occupy Wall Street and all those nut jobs and all the communists that joined their cause. Hopefully, hopefully people see that and go, look, here's Rosie O'Donnell, here's her partner, they raised a son, a fine young son who is going to be a military guy, and more kids do it, great.

GUILFOYLE: You know what the answer is here? Send more children to Rosie O'Donnell.

GUTFELD: There you go.

BECKEL: Or send more children off to useless wars.


I think, look, as a mom, I'm proud of her for raising her son, for adopting Parker. I think this is fantastic that he's going to serve the country and going to the Citadel. So, I like this story a lot. Maybe he's going to be a positive influence on her. How about that?


BECKEL: How did you know all the Wall Street people were communists?

BOLLING: The communist group joined the Occupy group.

GUTFELD: They kind of were, let's face it.

BECKEL: They had a legitimate grievance.

PERINO: I had a dream one time that Rosie O'Donnell said something mean about me, but I didn't realize it was a dream. For like three weeks, I thought she'd made fun of me, and I was really upset.

GUTFELD: That's a medical condition, when you confuse --

PERINO: What do you think that means?

GUTFELD: If you can't tell the difference between your waking and leaping life, that could lead to some serious problems.

PERINO: I was working some seriously long hours at the time. I remember it very well. I was so upset. I remember the dream.

BECKEL: I got to tell you, she actually gave me a shot, a real one, when I came to work for FOX. She said, there's a guy, calls himself a liberal. He's an ant hole --

PERINO: Oh, what did she call you, a what hole? What's that mean?

GUTFELD: An ant hole.


GUTFELD: All right.

GUILFOYLE: Good story.

GUTFELD: It's up lifting.

PERINO: Wow, unusual for you.

GUTFELD: I know.

All right. Up next, General David Petraeus thinks Hillary would make a great president. Why would he say that? That's according to a new book, and Bob agrees. There's a surprise.

We'll break down the political ramifications of the Hillary papers on her possible 2016 run -- possible? -- when "The Five" returns.


BECKEL: Now, do the new revelations we discussed earlier affect Hillary in 2016? According to David Petraeus, if they're anything like Benghazi, not much at all.

In a new book entitled "HRC," out tomorrow, the former Army general and CIA director said, quote, "She'd make a tremendous president. Like a lot of great leaders, her most impressive qualities were most visible during tough times. In the wake of the Benghazi attacks, for example, she was extraordinary -- extraordinarily resolute, determined and in control."

Let me just say, I'm not sure if Petraeus is going to matter much as somebody who would endorse Hillary. I think Hillary, frankly, has got some problems on her left. And I'm not sure that Petraeus necessarily helps that right now. She's trying to move to the left a little bit, but she staked herself out at a centrist, like her husband, and this is a party, in the primaries, at least, are dominated by progressives.

PERINO: But didn't, like, in the last few weeks, Bob, you said that you don't think that she's even going to be the nominee? So...

BECKEL: I said -- I said she would never get a free ride, and she won't.

GUILFOYLE: Some people think she's not going to run.

BECKEL: I said I think she'll be the nominee, but she could not be. I mean, top runners tend to stumble. She is not going to get a free ride. Only presidents who seek re-election get free rides in primaries and caucuses.

I have never, ever heard of a major party candidate who was the frontrunner in that party not having challengers, and I don't believe she will this time. I mean, I believe she will have this time.

Greg, you got any thoughts on it?

GUTFELD: I think that the idea that she has problems on the left is a bit of kabuki theater, so it makes it look like she's a centrist. It's like, "Oh, my God, liberals don't like her." That would make the rest of America more comfortable with voting for her.

The big question will be, will there be any Democrats willing to cross her and Bill a second time? Because if Hillary does win, you'll be washing Bill's underwear down by the river.

BECKEL: Well, I think there's something to be said about that.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

BECKEL: That machine is formidable, and they're marrying up the Obama and Clinton money machines. Can you imagine how much money that is? That's going to drain most of the money out of -- out of the Democratic caucus.

But I still say somebody will take the shot, because they're going to assume or hope that she's going to stumble. And then, of course, the bigger question is does she have to run left to defeat somebody seriously? No, there won't be a serious candidate. Elizabeth Warren or somebody else will...

BECKEL: Well, I was starting to give you my assessment of it.

GUILFOYLE: No, I'm enjoying it.

BECKEL: She will not have to move as far left, and when she beats the Republican, the Republican probably will be way far right, because there's so many of them.

GUILFOYLE: And there are also the rumblings of some people saying that she's actually not going to run.

BECKEL: I would find that very unusual.

BOLLING: You know what I'm thrilled about? We're running out of time, and you forgot that Petraeus thought she was going to be a great president. We're talking about Hillary.

PERINO: That was my tactic.

BOLLING: Right? See how beautiful I...

BECKEL: I was -- I was trying to be a political -- I was trying to be a political analyst and not dump on that thing, just lay it on you.

GUILFOYLE: I think that helps her.

BOLLING: I don't get it. Hillary Clinton was the one who viewed the video when those four caskets were at Andrews Air Force Base.

GUILFOYLE: What difference does it make?

BOLLING: And she testified after she recovered.

BECKEL: OK for political analysts.

BOLLING: But so General Petraeus, great patriot, great hero. I just don't get it. Just don't get it.

BECKEL: He might know a little bit more than you do about it. You know, that's -- and Benghazi is simply not going to be -- it's not going to be a voting issue.

GUILFOYLE: He does have something in common with Bill. And she stuck by Bill.

BECKEL: Well, it just -- I don't think it's going to have any...

GUILFOYLE: I think the opinion of Petraeus does matter.

BECKEL: I think it's...

GUILFOYLE: And I think this does help her, and that's why it's sort of questionable. I hear what Eric is saying, but obviously, if this is what he thinks and what he believes, then he should say it.

BECKEL: All right. "One More Thing" is up next.


GUILFOYLE: Time now for some Sochi.

BOLLING: Like sushi?

GUILFOYLE: That, too. All right. We're the big winners. That's the big news here. Gold medal. Watch her nail it, Jamie Anderson. Check it out.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here we go, Jamie, solid on the rails.


GUILFOYLE: It's amazing. I love it. Look how talented and look at the air she got there. Very, very cool. There she goes. Bob likes this a lot.

BECKEL: Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

GUILFOYLE: Take a look. Take a look, here it is. And that's it. That is the gold, ladies and gentlemen. For USA in the slope style in the Olympics. So we're certainly proud about that. Tremendous moment for the U.S. and hopefully we're going to have some more, right? Greg, what have you got for me?

GUTFELD: Well, a very disturbing video, Kimberly. You know, we think we're in the year 2014, but sometimes it feels like the 1950s.

I was at the gym, and "The Today Show" was on with Kathie Lee and Hoda. They've introduced a new segment where they teach women basic household chores. In this case, they are actually teaching them how to sweep the floor. This is disgusting to me that they would do something like this. It's sexist, and they have a man, a man, of course, teaching them how to sweep the floor.

Hoda, Kathie Lee, you are offensive. And it's disgusting. I hope you address this tomorrow on your show. America deserves an apology.

GUILFOYLE: What are they wearing on their feet?

GUTFELD: I have no idea.

PERINO: It's for the thing. You know what it's for.

GUTFELD: What do you mean?

BECKEL: They didn't do the broom very well, I didn't think.

GUTFELD: Terrible in that shot there.

GUILFOYLE: Were those, like, little -- were those little booties? Why can't you sweep in heels?

GUTFELD: I have no idea. You know what? Sexist.

GUILFOYLE: You know what I'm saying?

GUTFELD: Terrible.

GUILFOYLE: Telling you. I sweep in heels.

BECKEL: I had somebody sweep in heels before.

GUTFELD: Yes, Bob.

PERINO: Not sleep in heels, sweep in heels.

BECKEL: Oh, oh, oh.

PERINO: For free? OK, sorry.

GUTFELD: Did you forget we're...


BOLLING: All right. So, here's a little tease. Dana and I spent some time with some good boys and some good girls. Here are a couple of pictures. Check it out. We were at the Westminster Dog Show. It's tomorrow. We're going to roll some of the footage. We had a great time. I think we were there two years ago, Dana. Is that right?


PERINO: Yes. He was sleeping.

GUILFOYLE: Did you have anybody photo bomb you guys?

BOLLING: Huge number of "The Five" fans. We're going to tell you all about it. But before we go, I know Dana has America's dog in Jasper, but...

PERINO: Yes, yes.

BOLLING: But an you take camera two?

PERINO: Oh, my goodness. Look at that.

BOLLING: He's a good boy. Fredo. That's my boy. All right, that's it. See you tomorrow. Watch that.

GUILFOYLE: We're not done, though.

BOLLING: But watch us -- no, no.

GUILFOYLE: From the show, the show. Yes, yes.

GUILFOYLE: Ricky Bobby.

BECKEL: The -- Clint Eastwood, who is actually one of my favorite movie stars, although his politics suck. He's -- always has a starring role in the AT&T Pebble Beach Florida Golf Pan Am -- or Pro-Am golf tournament. But a little thing was added to it this year.

That is that the head of the tournament, a guy by the name of Steve John, tournament director, choked on a piece of cheese, and Clint, my man, stepped forward, but his arms around him, gave him the Heimlich maneuver, and saved his life. Something similar happened to me when my friend Eric did that, and Roger Ailes. And I appreciate -- I know how the guy feels to be back alive again.

Clint, another good role, buddy.

GUTFELD: How do you choke on cheese?

BOLLING: You know how many people say, "Next time Beckel's choking on a shrimp..."?

GUILFOYLE: It's like the whole -- and remember when he choked on those chicken bones when I beat him in the contest and then he threw up?

BECKEL: You didn't beat me.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I did.

PERINO: Yes, she did.

GUILFOYLE: It's on YouTube, right?

BECKEL: Eating like Puerto Ricans.

GUILFOYLE: What did you say about Puerto Ricans again?

BECKEL: You ever eat them? They go and throw them away.

GUILFOYLE: That's what I did.


GUTFELD: Another fact from Bob's recent history.

GUILFOYLE: Unbelievable.

PERINO: This is terrible.

You can find that on page 84 of the Beckel almanac.

I want to pay tribute to Jim Doocy. We all do. Jim Doocy died this weekend. He was the father of Steve Doocy and also four other children. He leaves behind eight grandchildren and three great-grandchildren. He was an amazing part of the community in Kansas, in Salina, Kansas. He died on Saturday, and the funeral will be on Wednesday, so we wish the family good luck in dealing with all of the sadness that comes with that. But I know that the family is all gathered together. OK.

GUILFOYLE: Don't forget the set your DVRs to never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you right back here tomorrow.

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