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President Obama compares himself to Nixon, complains about Fox

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 4, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."

(MUSIC)

PERINO: Yesterday, you heard President Obama complaining to Bill O'Reilly about FOX News reporting on the administration's scandals. Bill pressed him on that issue in part two of his exclusive interview.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL O'REILLY, FOX NEWS HOST: You think I'm unfair to you? You think I have --

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Absolutely. Of course you are, Bill. But I like you anyway.

If you want to be president of the United States, then you know that you're going to be subject to criticism. And --

O'REILLY: But if it's unfair, I want to know if it's unfair. Is it unfair? Criticism is criticism. It's my job to give you a hard time.

OBAMA: Here's what I would say. Regardless of whether it's fair or not, it has made FOX News very successful. Here's what you're going to have to figure out. What are you going to do when I'm gone?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Here's another interesting piece. The president doesn't see himself as all that liberal.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

O'REILLY: Are you the most liberal president in U.S. history?

OBAMA: Probably not.

O'REILLY: Probably not?

OBAMA: Probably not. That's fair to say.

O'REILLY: Who would be?

OBAMA: The truth of the matter is when you look at some of my policies, in a lot of ways, Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was.
Started the EPA, you know, started a whole lot of the regulatory states that have helped make our air and water clean.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Holy smokes.

Greg, do you think hiding behind Richard Nixon to prove that you're not as liberal, do you think we have gotten to a place you never imagined?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: But this isn't new. What does it tell you when liberalism's most powerful, charismatic leader is embarrassed by his own namby-pamby fairy tale nonsense?

He's like an evangelist who condemns his own religion. I think -- there needs to be rehab for liberals and the first step is admitting you are one.

PERINO: Bob, you -- there's a lot of Democrats think he's not liberal enough. Do you agree?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: He certainly is not. I mean, I could go back to
-- Lyndon Johnson was far more liberal than he is. Roosevelt was. You could go back, Wilson was. Truman was.

GUTFELD: Truman?

BECKEL: Yes, Truman was liberal. Sure he was. He was the one who started the food -- you know, the agricultural money for subsidies for agriculture.

Listen, this guy, you take health care, and you say, all right, that's his big entitlement program. But name me one other entitlement program he's made.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Food stamps.

BECKEL: No, food stamps, they were well before him.

BOLLING: No, no, but he's expanded them.

BECKEL: Name me one new --

BOLLING: I got another one, the debt, $6.6 trillion added to the debt since he's been president.

BECKEL: In other words, you can't add one.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Well, ObamaCare is pretty much --

BECKEL: That's what I said. I gave that in the front end. But I don't see that he's created a whole lot of things --

TANTAROS: What about the stimulus?

BECKEL: That's not an entitlement program.

TANTAROS: A lot of government spending.

BOLLING: Redistribution of wealth and that's what it is.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: He doesn't do enough, as far as I'm concerned.

BOLLING: Grown government more under his watch than probably every -- again, every president between George Washington up to today.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: We're proud to call ourselves liberal.

PERINO: You get the perfect segue award, because Bill asked President Obama about welfare last night.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We have not massively expanded the welfare state. That's just not true. When you take a look at it, actually, the levers of support that we provide to folks who are willing to work hard are not that different than they were 30 years ago, 40 years ago, 50 years ago.

I think self-reliance is alive and well in America. I think the problem is people don't see as many opportunities to get ahead. My job as president, as long as I'm in this office, is to give them the tools to get ahead.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: All right. Andrea, I think that's a fairly good answer that President Obama gave. I know that we're going to have different opinions around the table.

But let's start with you.

TANTAROS: Because he sounded like a Republican when he was talking about self reliance. He did it -- I think it was his second inauguration as well where he talked about personal responsibility. He coops the language of the right, and then as Greg points out, he's almost embarrassed by the world "liberal", because he knows it's a dirty word, not just for me, but for him.

But what he just said is I know it's a harsh word, but it's a lie.

Under ObamaCare and especially under the expansion of Medicaid, he has grown government. And we haven't even seen the beginnings of it. I mentioned the stimulus, a giant portion of the stimulus went to welfare reform, and people on food stamps have doubled.

So he basically lied right to Bill O'Reilly's face. And the facts are very stubborn things.

PERINO: Eric, you track these numbers quite a bit. So what numbers are -- what numbers are the president looking at that makes him say that welfare spending has not gone up?

BOLLING: I'm not sure. I'm not sure why he would say that.

Take food stamps, for example, $39 billion the year before President Obama took over, $80 billion if you add in other child food programs. It's almost $100 billion, so more than double, almost triple.

The deficit, this is the one, this is the most disingenuous thing that the president has been saying. He says he cut the deficit in half. The problem is he cut his own deficit in half. When he took over, the deficit was $480 billion. He brought it up to $1.2 trillion.

From $1.2 trillion, yes, he brought it back down, but he is still substantially above where it was before he took over. He didn't cut any deficit. He cut his own.

BECKEL: Counting the $1 trillion in stimulus which is one thing that saves from a depression.

BOLLING: No, no, I'm counting the deficit. The amount of money we spend over what we take in on an annual basis. No.

BECKEL: And, by the way, the stimulus package, just so we can correct that, the biggest recipient of the stimulus is small businesses and tax breaks.

TANTAROS: Bob, a huge portion is welfare.

BECKEL: No, it did not go to welfare.

TANTAROS: Yes, it did.

BECKEL: In what?

TANTAROS: Yes, it did. It was bailing out blue states when it came to their Medicaid and a lot of other things.

PERINO: The money -- a lot of it did go there. Let me ask you, Greg, did Bill O'Reilly, though, ask him the wrong question? So it's not necessarily just about the money we spend on welfare, but about the lack of opportunity that President Obama says isn't there for Americans but he's been president for five years.

GUTFELD: Yes, opportunity gone. But the fact is, you know, I am pro- welfare, but I'm not for a welfare state. And I think progressives like President Obama refuse to connect the programs that thrive on dependents to the actual dependents that it creates.

It's like Ben & Jerry's denying any link to their product and obesity.
Obesity kills more people than heroin and guns combined, but Ben & Jerry's doesn't have cholesterol on their hands because they're so progressive.

It's the same way with him. He's for programs that basically extend dependency, and then he denies it.

BECKEL: If that's the case, the biggest ones are Medicare and Medicaid, and Social Security. Would you do away with that?

GUTFELD: I would love to see an alternative. I would love to see competition.

BECKEL: OK.

PERINO: And there could be reform.

BECKEL: There are by far fewer welfare programs now when they were when Obama -- not when Obama did, but when they did the Welfare Reform Act, there were very few people getting welfare checks.

BOLLING: You're not means-testing the welfare anymore. You're letting it grow exponentially without any test to decide whether or not it should be grown. I mean, if things are getting better in the economy like President Obama likes to talk about, why is our welfare spending and all of the other redistribution of wealth programs expanding?

BECKEL: You're calling it welfare, and I'm saying that -- for example, women and infant children, money has gone down. Head Start money has gone down. What you're talking about is increasing Medicaid. You're exactly right about that, but those are things that have been -- I don't consider that welfare. Do you consider that welfare, Medicare a welfare?

BOLLLING: I think unemployment insurance going from 26 weeks up to 99 weeks and then maybe extending it further is a welfare -- redistribution/welfare program. I think almost tripling the food stamp program is a welfare program. And if you are expanding the redistribution
-- and that's really welfare is, right? You take the people who are earning and you give to people who need it.

BECKEL: We have a semantics problem here.

TANTAROS: And it's not signed into law. But if you look at what he was rooting for with immigration reform, that was going to create another problem of additional dependence for this nation, and would have expanded the welfare state.

If I could say something on Obama going after FOX News, it seems like it's the last quiver, you know, or arrow in his quiver that he has when he goes after FOX News because he has done it before. We used to say on campaigns, like you don't go after people who buy ink by the barrel. It just sounds whiny.

PERINO: Don't shoot down.

TANTAROS: You shouldn't do it. I think he believes that he'll win.

But Obama isn't at war with FOX News. Obama is at war with the truth.
I mean, he comes out and says there are no scandals, period, whatsoever, but for FOX News reporting on them.

So, if FOX News didn't do its job and didn't exercise its First Amendment right which I didn't know liberals were against, then we wouldn't have any of these stories, which is insane.

PERINO: In my blocks, I believe everyone gets a trophy. You get the second segue -- perfect segue, because I came up with this little chart that I wanted to show you about FOX New's ratings. Because President Obama thinks he's made FOX very successful.

Interestingly, FOX News Channel is number one in total day in primetime for 145 consecutive months. And FNC has been number one for 84 months before President Obama became president, so we --

TANTAROS: We did build that.

PERINO: Again --

BOLLING: Can I answer President Obama's question, what is FOX News going to do when I'm gone? We're going to continue to ask the questions of the president that aren't being asked by the rest of the networks. And, really, that's what it is.

He's mad at FOX because we're asking him about Benghazi, about the IRS, about the labor participation rate being the lowest in 30 years when other networks don't want to do it because they're playing lapdog to the president.

BECKEL: I think it's fair to say that O'Reilly's questions were fair questions. They were uncomfortable questions for the president to answer.
And that's the difference. I don't think they're unfair. I think they're just things he didn't want to deal with.

So --

PERINO: But what does it say, Greg, about the power of FOX News if the president notices it this much and he brings it up all the time, when every other media that I look at seems to at least try to help him and be on his side.

GUTFELD: Again, it's the last cheerleader, you know, that won't date the quarterback.

But I tell you, FOX News also, I believe, is a proxy for everything that he finds disagreeable. Remember, FOX News, you know, we represent, I feel, a lot of traditional values that perhaps in the exceptional world is not so interesting anymore.

And I think that he finds us antiquated and kind of in the way of the progressive, you know, march towards a better life. And he sees us as the people who cling to guns and religion.

TANTAROS: Bitter clingers.

GUTFELD: Yes, and I think when he comes after FNC, it's kind of coming after everybody he finds square.

TANTAROS: You know, it's interesting, he compared himself to Nixon.
OK, so Nixon did push Title IX forward and advance women in sports and the EPA.

PERINO: He gets no credit for it.

TANTAROS: And gets no credit for it.

He also opened the doors to trading with China, which was genius, and was a true diplomat in every sense. President Obama is not that. But Nixon of all presidents, Obama makes Nixon -- looks like Nixon on LSD when it comes to a paranoid suspicion of the media. So, it's not just FOX News.
He went after the associated press. He went after CBS's Sheryl Atkinson.

PERINO: James Rosen.

TANTAROS: He goes after anybody that he perceives in the media is not carrying his water.

BECKEL: Can you tell me who besides NBC, and by omission, some of the CBS and ABC broadcasts, which -- where is this big liberal media?

BOLLING: I can give one.

PERINO: "The New York Times".

BOLLING: CNN. How about the debate when Candy Crowley bailed President Obama out in that debate?

BECKEL: I can give you that, but as a whole network?

BOLLING: Bailed his butt out because he was up against the wall in that moment --

BECKEL: You're talking about these cheerleaders in the media. I want to see what you're talking about. Be specific. Does --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: We see it everywhere.

BOLLING: We do this all the time. We used to run full screens of ABC, NBC, and CBS. How many times they talk about a story that we find --

BECKEL: That's what I said. That was omission. It was by omission.

PERINO: Bobby, I think it's also the subtlety of every -- I get every woman's magazine, all the fashion magazines.

GUTFELD: So do I.

PERINO: And then we share.

But you can't pick up one up that doesn't have one some sort of supportive President Obama. It's actually, it's subtle. It permeates everything you do. You actually have to go out and try -- you have to subscribe to things like "National Review" or "The Weekly Standard" or commentary, if you actually want to get a different point of view, a conservative point of view.

"The Wall Street Journal" editorial board, being a major exception and something that I think is the most helpful thing that I read every day.

BECKEL: "The Atlanta Constitution", "The Boston Herald", "The Los Angeles Examiner", "The Los Angeles Times".

PERINO: "The Los Angeles Examiner"?

BECKEL: Yes.

PERINO: Really, how many people do you think read that?

TANTAROS: But it permeates the culture, too, Bob. I mean, why isn't every television show the crazy guy, the Republican, or he's part of a militia? I mean, we're not just talking about news. We're talking about the culture of entertainment, songs, music, movies.

GUTFELD: I mean, the bottom line is there's actual research that even the left agrees with. This is an industry that is overwhelmingly liberal, and every election, they vote 90 percent Democrat.

BOLLING: And why by omission, why are you saying that's OK? If the networks don't cover something that's important, how is that OK?

BECKEL: I just -- I just think you all whine much too much. Why don't you get some journalists? Why don't conservatives become journalists and do something about it?

GUTFELD: Then, we'll have to talk about the journalism schools.

TANTAROS: We're not the ones whining. The president is whining about us. We're not whining.

BECKEL: You always whine about how the media bails him out.

PERINO: Some people have to work. Some people have to work. We didn't get to that story.

BECKEL: What was that supposed to mean?

PERINO: It was a cheap shot. It felt good.

BECKEL: Yes, I guess.

PERINO: For a second.

We didn't get to the story about health care, ObamaCare, and the CBO report, but I bet we'll get to it tomorrow.

Coming up next on "The Five" --

BECKEL: We didn't get to Christie either.

PERINO: I know, because we were talking -- we just talked for 13 minutes and 25 seconds.

Jerry Seinfeld doesn't like political correctness in comedy. He's going to explain why.

And also, NFL Hall of Famer John Elway tells FOX News why he is a Republican. You're going to hear from him when we come back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.

Time for another installment of the fastest seven minutes in TV, news, or otherwise, three absorbing stories, seven accelerated minutes, one animated host.

First up, Jerry Seinfeld is funny, really funny, so what's the secret to his ability to make us laugh. Check it out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JERRY SEINFELD, COMEDIAN: Funny is the world that I live in. You're funny. I'm interested. You're not funny, I'm not interested.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

SEINFELD: And I have no interest in gender, or race, or anything like that, but everyone else is kind of with their little calculating, is this the exact right mix? You know. I think that's -- to me, it's anti-comedy.
Anti-comedy. It's more about, you know, P.C. nonsense than are you making us laugh or not?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Right, Greg? That's what it should be. Are we funny or are we not?

GUTFELD: Yes. If he -- if comedy were sports, Seinfeld is Joe Montana. He's so professional, he makes it look easy. Like any great athlete, when you assess your craft, you would find it insulting if anybody hired you for anything other than your talent and your skill.

So, they have no use for any of these other elements. There should be no quotas in Olympics. There should be no quotas in comedy.

BOLLING: And, Dana, he said it's not the census. You don't have the exact breakdown of the pie chart in your comedy. How refreshing.

PERINO: I really love that. I have a new principle to limit my dinner dates only with people that are funny. Otherwise, it's just such a drag. It's very boring.

I also like it that I think what Jerry Seinfeld showed all of us for years and now, hopefully, he's coming back to a little bit more is that comedy is a great uniter and it's a great equalizer. Some of the best comedy is the self-deprecating kind about yourself when it comes to your ethnicity, or like being Italian, or Irish, or Jewish, whatever it might be, those are the jokes everybody can relate to. So, I applaud a comedian who can actually do it really well.

BOLLING: And Dana knows -- Dana pointed out self-deprecating. You can say it about yourself rather than say it about someone else.

Your thoughts on the P.C. comment?

BECKEL: Being self-deprecating. I'm self-deprecating.

The P.C. -- I think he's exactly right. But let's face, most people who are comedians, the good ones, are, if you have noticed, they are people who are mostly white. That's the way it is. I mean, it just works out that way.

TANTAROS: I don't think that's true at all.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy.

BOLLING: Chris Rock, yes.

BECKEL: No, if you take the whole -- look, and also, I'm going to go out on a limb. A lot of them are Jewish, right, because they're very funny. They're very funny.

BOLLING: Before we go in too much trouble, your thoughts, Ands, on the P.C.? You know, can I throw a curveball to you? Sometimes comedians maybe do things they shouldn't do and they hide behind, hey, it was just a joke.

TANTAROS: They can also get away with making fun of themselves if they are, say, a woman. You can poke fun of women. If you're a gay comedian, you can make fun of gays.

I think one of the funniest comedians is Dave Chappelle.

BOLLING: Yes.

TANTAROS: So I disagree with you, Bob. I mean, he is just a riot.

But why can't be apply the Seinfeld theory everywhere? If you're not fit for the job, why do we have to say, OK, we're just about box checking here. She's a woman, she's this, she's that.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: The Republicans of the House of the Representatives --

BOLLING: Well, you know, Bob, and a bunch of people would say you're racist and they're going to boycott us.

All right. This one, how about this one? Facebook turns 10 today, only a fifth grader if they were your kid. Facebook has come a long way in a decade.

Listen to founder Mark Zuckerberg talking about his massive success creating the social media giant.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARK ZUCKERBERG, FACEBOOK FOUNDER & CEO: It's been a pretty amazing journey. You know, it's so rare to have the opportunity to touch a billion people's lives.

I remember really vividly, you know, having pizza with my friends a day or two after I opened up the first version of Facebook. You know, at the time, I thought someone needs to build a service like this for the world, but I just never thought we would be the ones to help do it. I think a lot of what it comes down to is we just cared more.

I'm just so grateful to have the opportunity I had to serve so many people. And I really think that the best is yet to come.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: That's so wonderful and awesome. I mean, how awesome is that, Eric?

BECKEL: Oh, gee.

BOLLING: It's $30 billion worth of awesome is what it is.

GUTFELD: I hate his guts.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: The last 10 years are water under the bridge. Next 10 years of Facebook, any thoughts?

TANTAROS: I think Facebook will be around but not forever. And I think Twitter really is where it's at. Twitter has replaced newspapers with headlines, quicker to get the topics of the day. I still think Facebook is strong, from what I've read. They figured out ways to up their profits and monetize and sell ads.

But I do think, if one is going to go first, it will be Facebook. It might not be five or ten years, but 20, 30, it will be gone.

BOLLING: Bobby --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I was going to say, didn't Princeton do a study saying Facebook hey will lose 80 percent -- I can't believe that. I mean, 80 percent of -- they've got a billion people, right?

BOLLING: One-point-one billion, yes, they said by the next 20 years -
-

BECKEL: And this guy, he's a great walking advertisement.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Right, right. It's been debunked.

Dana, Facebook tried to buy Snapchat, one of my favorite --

PERINO: Yes, Eric Bolling 2016.

BOLLING: Three billion in cash, and they said no.

PERINO: I know. But they didn't -- you know, they should have taken into account that you have an account with Snapchat that is Eric Bolling 2016, and we're still waiting to find out why EB2016.

BECKEL: What is snap shooter?

BOLLING: It's like the coolest thing ever. They should by buying that.

Greg, your thoughts on -- 73 percent of people between 12 and 17 years old use Facebook. That's a good advertising demo.

GUTFELD: There's more community in Facebook than Twitter. Twitter, I use more, but it's look at me. Facebook is, how are you? That's why it has a community.

But you've got to remember, just one word, MySpace. 2007, I was on the, I don't know, 18th, 13th floor, sharing with these snotty little brats on MySpace. They put signs on the fridge telling us at "RED EYE" not to eat their food. They were jerks.

PERINO: Was it kale and arugula?

GUTFELD: They have little pizza parties because they were hip. Well, they got sold out because they suck.

BOLLING: All right. Let's do this one very quick. John Elway is one of the best football players of all time. That paid well. He then went on to start one of the most successful car dealerships in America. That paid even better.

John Elway is American capitalism personified.

So which political party do John Elway's beliefs align with? The pro- free market party, of course.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOHN ELWAY, NFL HALL OF FAMER: The country that, you know, we're given the opportunity to succeed or not succeed. And I think that, you know, for us to be able to -- I don't believe in safety nets. Obviously, we've got to some kind of safety nets, but I think that the -- my philosophy is when you're given the opportunity, go take advantage of that.
And I think that that's when you get the best out of people.

So, my belief aligns best with the GOP. I wouldn't say I'm way right.
You know, I'm middle right.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right. Go ahead, very quickly --

BECKEL: He's a walking advertisement for the Republicans. I agree with that.

This boy grew up with a privileged background.

BOLLING: No, he did not.

BECKEL: He did too.

BOLLING: His father was a college football coach.

BECKEL: So?

BOLLING: Come on, Bob. That's not fair.

BECKEL: The other thing he said, you don't -- you never should have safety -- you should have very few safety nets. What would he know?

PERINO: There has been a lot -- many attempts to try to recruit him to run for office from Colorado. He's decided not to do that. Instead, he's running the Broncos, which --

BOLLING: Oops.

PERINO: They made it to the Super Bowl.

BOLLING: They did a great job.

GUTFELD: No surprise he's a Republican because keeping score is the most honest way to reflect achievement. And if progressives ran the NFL, they'd redistribute the points before the game and pay people not to play.

BOLLING: It'd be a tie score.

TANTAROS: And working your butt off, what, six to eight hours, sometimes 12-hour days playing professional football. I have a feeling a lot of those players, the more they play after working for free in college and then going to the pros, I have a feeling more of them turn Republican when they start getting the paycheck --

BOLLING: All right. We've got to go.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Hold that thought.

BECKEL: That's not a bad deal.

BOLLING: Like a teacher, right?

Next up, is inequality a threat to America or good for America? When "The Five" returns.

BECKEL: That was a cheap shot.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio went on "The Daily Show".
I wonder if he said the great threat to this country is inequality.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO (D), NEW YORK: The bottom line is, we know the great threat to this country is inequality. The great threat to the city is inequality. We have rampant growing inequality, it's going to be unsustainable for the long term. People need a core hope in oru society, a democratic society so they can actually get somewhere.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Now, this is often said to nodding heads, all fearful that disagreement comes off as cold, mean, Republican. You probably eat babies, free range.

Me, I don't care, for I have yet to see a solution to this issue that doesn't rhyme with socialism. People get paid more. It's a fact. As you age, you get raises. In order to get on that path, though, you need a low- paying job first.

But when your leaders view minimum wage as an end and not a start, while welcoming low-wage foreign workers -- good luck. Some people also get rich because their jobs create more profit. What about actors? The on-set caterer gets $100 a day, but Clooney, he gets millions. Where's Hollywood on this injustice?

But de Blasio is lucky. He's calling inequality a threat because the real threat gets creamed every day by cops. Thanks to them, the city's murder rate has plummeted, saving countless lives, black and brown, poor and young.

The real measure of equality is security. Under a liberal, a poor person is a sitting duck. Giuliani and Bloomberg narrowed the gap between life and death, which opened the door for progressives like de Blasio. You need calm to let the crazies back in.

Of course, when it all goes Detroit on us, we'll wonder, what were we thinking? Sadly for criminals, by then, no one will be worth mugging.

BOLLING: I see what you did there.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Life and death. Income inequality, a life versus death gap.
Well done.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

How can government do anything about this? This is what's driving me nuts, Eric, is that there is no solution. Like redistribution doesn't build anything.

BOLLING: Get out of the way. Honestly, you're going to say it's a Republican cliche, but it's not. Let the free market dictate wages. Wages will go up on their own. The more you push them up, the more you drive a job out of whatever city, state, country.

Just get out of the way, let the free market works best. We have so many resources, so many assets in the country, there's -- we cannot help ourselves but succeeding if we don't screw it up with liberal socialists like this.

BECKEL: It's a great free market that got us into the recession if I remember right.

GUTFELD: But, Bob, let me ask -- can I just ask you, the solutions that they're offering, how can restricting corporate pay lead to a birth of capitalism in the poor?

BECKEL: I don't think you can.

Let me say one thing about de Blasio. What he fails to recognize about New York City is New York City has been a city constantly re- energized by immigrants coming in, and their income is much less and then they work their way up.

So, I think this is not a good thing. But you say, the Pew Center, which is probably the most unbiased of all polls, so 60 percent of the surveyed, the people in this country, believe the nation's economic system unfairly favors the wealthy.

GUTFELD: Right. And they say the government should not get involved in this. That's the reality. That's the second part.

Andrea, people don't want to counter this equality argument because it seems like you're favoring the rich over the poor.

TANTAROS: Because they do it under the guise of fairness, right? So if it was a third world country where there's only a handful of rich people and everybody else was impoverished, OK, that would make sense.

That's not the case in the United States or New York City. According to "The New York Post" today, 1,200 people live in New York who make over
$10 million a year. Also, 18,000 make over a million.

That's nothing. If many of these people leave in droves, which many of them are, you have major budget problems. And even Mayor Bloomberg understood this. Who pays for the firefighters, the schools?

He said, de Blasio promised pre-K, so Governor Cuomo came in and he says, all right, I'll give you the money for it. And Bill de Blasio said, nope, I want to tax these New Yorkers anyway. He's gutting charter schools, which is hurting the middle class and the poor, giving them fair footing because they're not unionized.

So, I just want -- they want to take all the money from the rich, is what they want to do, Greg. I don't see how that helps the poor in any way. I just don't see it.

GUTFELD: What's the political response to this for a Republican?

TANTAROS: Well, I think one is defining the problem better. Because what de Blasio is saying is it's not connecting -- he's not connecting the dots so Republicans can do it. So, when he says, I'm echoing what you said. They need a core amount of visible opportunity and that's been slipping away. He doesn't connect to dots to how restricting corporate pay would provide for opportunities.

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: And one thing I would tell you, just living here for a couple of years, you go into any small business, there are 27 certificates or permits that are up on the wall. The barriers to entry to being able to start a business in New York City is so daunting even to me, I would have the means to be able to maybe think about doing it, but it's so daunting, I wouldn't put my toe in the water.

If you're an immigrant in the country -- not even an immigrant, a young person graduating, you leave college and come back to New York City to be able to start a big thriving business, it's rare that it happens, and Andrea's statistics bear that out.

BECKEL: That's a good point about the regulations. I only wish that Wall Street and the big industrials downtown had the same restrictions and regulations. They wouldn't have tried to scam us the way they did.

PERINO: Too bad the Democrats blocked all those reforms in early 2000s.

BECKEL: We've got Dodd and Frank. And it's very good. I hope it gets stronger than that.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Barney Frank was really great.

BECKEL: I say break up the big banks.

GUTFELD: You know, one last point and we'll move on. This fact always stuck with me. Mara Pennington (ph) at "Forbes" pointed out that Forbes would not publish its 400 list of the richest if it were identical every year, because being rich isn't constant. You can go up, you can go down.

PERINO: That's why it's exciting to see the list coming out.

GUTFELD: Exactly. Is there nothing worse for a man than watching a romantic movie with his wife? Oh, "The Notebook", I love that movie. They both die at the end, by the way. But it could save their marriage, according to new research.

I'm kidding, I have never seen it. We'll tell you why.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

TANTAROS: Romantic movies. Do you love them or do you hate them?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why didn't you write me? Why? It wasn't over for me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I wrote you every day for a year.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You wrote me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. It wasn't over. It still isn't over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I love that you get cold when it's 71 degrees out.
I love that it takes you an hour and a half to order a sandwich. I love that you get a little cringle above your nose when you're looking at me like I'm nuts.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You see? That is just like you, Harry. You say things like that, and you make it impossible for me to hate you.

(SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: Well, guess what, girls? There's now a strong incentive to get your man to watch the chick flicks with you. New research shows that they can help save your relationship. So couples who watch romantic films together and discuss them have significantly reduced divorce rates, this according to a new study, especially if they're newlyweds.

So why do you think that is, Dana? Most guys drag their feet when you put on a chick flick.

PERINO: Well, first of all, all day long, I read topic, can romantic comedies save your relationship marriage? And romantic comedies, I love them. I think any man who says they don't like them, they secretly do.

When you sit down, you watch them, I'm going to put Peter out there.
He does like them. He does. Our marriage is like a romantic comedy.

GUTFELD: Oh, God.

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: It's so fun. We laugh all the time. We have like a big Seinfeld discussion about how he's a compulsive door closer last night. It drives me -- why does he always have to close the bedroom door. It drives me nuts, because nobody else lives in the apartment.

We have so much fun, we watch these movies all the time. I love it.

BECKEL: Gee, that's fun.

TANTAROS: Bob, this list of the movies in the study, a lot are older movies. "Barefoot in the Park," "Days of Wine and Roses", "Funny Girl", "Gone with the Wind" -- do you think it's because movies now don't depict that when men were men and women with women and that old school romance that most women crave?

BECKEL: I think it reflected the time they were made in. People stayed married for a long time, and the movies were made for those people and that's probably the way it is.

But I can't stand romantic comedy or romantic dramas or romantic sic- flicks, it doesn't matter. I just think it's all -- any guy who goes and sits down, maybe your husband secretly likes it, I secretly barf.

TANTAROS: You like sick-flicks. We're talking chick flicks, Greg. I can imagine what happens here. The girl sees the movie and says why don't you ever write me love letters like he does? Or why don't you throw rocks at my door, have the boom box, like they did on "16 Candles"? And the guy goes, oh, shoot, I should probably --

GUTFELD: That's say anything.

TANTAROS: Oh, sorry, say anything.

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: See, you do watch them.

GUTFELD: I have a theory, all right? Romantic comedies are to women what pornography is to men. It creates unrealistic expectations about monogamy.

Romantic comedies focus on the power of infatuation. They never show the relationship years later.

Pornography focuses on men's desire for biological novelty. We always want something different and new. Both can be damaging in different ways but fun if you watch together.

BECKEL: Was that a professional who taught you that?

GUTFELD: No --

TANTAROS: Eric?

BECKEL: I believe 100 percent right.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Go ahead.

TANTAROS: Eric, one of the movies on here, I want to ask you, one of the movies on here is with Robert Redford and Demi Moore, "Indecent Proposal". It does trigger conversations, it's like, would you left sleep with somebody for --

BOLLING: That's not a romantic comedy.

PERINO: Somebody wrote romantic comedy.

BECKEL: It says for a million dollar, whatever the number, $100,000, to Robert Redford.

PERINO: I don't think it's helpful in marriage.

BECKEL: You're the one who calls your wife 15 times from the Super Bowl.

BOLLING: I did that.

PERINO: Andrea, where's the other way, too, because I think women who watch, you realize that you can be unrealistic and harsh on your loved one or your partner and reminds you, back off a little bid, if he doesn't pick up the tissues off the night stand in the morning after he has blown his nose.

TANTAROS: Who could be talking about? I wonder.

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I tell you. There's a strong man right there.

TANTAROS: Or yes, does more romance in the relationship. Well, honey, why don't we take more walks?

PERINO: When he says something about my carnation instant breakfast and has it ready for me in the morning, I love it.

TANTAROS: By the way, it wasn't just romantic comedies, it was romantic movies.

Still ahead on "The Five", another Donald Trump election alert. Bob has got the scoop when we come back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECKEL: I hate to say this, but Donald Trump's been dropping a lot of hints lately that he's going to run for governor of New York. Now he's talking about what his platform might be.

The Donald has confirmed to "The Five" that, if he were governor, he would cut taxes in the state by 50 percent.

Let me start off this -- as much as I just love the thought of having another Trump discussion, this is like a guy, him pledging a 50 percent tax cut is like a kid in eighth grade running for class president saying he's going to cut all homework out. I mean, it's not -- it's a ridiculous, absurd idea. I mean, first of all, can you imagine this guy being governor of anything?

BOLLING: Well, take a step back. He said him offering a 50 percent tax cut is like whatever your analogy was. No, it's not. In fact, there's
-- we talk about this. There's an ad running right now across the country.
If you want to bring your business to New York, we'll give you, like, something like a ten-year window of tax free. You bring your business here, we'll give you a tax -- a tax-free holiday for ten years.

BECKEL: It's a liberal city.

BOLLING: Here's the point. He's only saying something that New York is trying to use -- do under a Democrat governor already. So you may not like Donald, but don't dislike the policy.

BECKEL: I don't dislike Trump. It's hard to dislike the guy. I just dislike him as a politician. How many -- he gets bored and he says, you know, he's going to run for something. Now if there was nothing to run for, he would run for governor of Puerto Rico. I mean, the guy is -- just cannot keep himself out of the limelight when it comes to politics, and he doesn't know politics.

Well, Dana, do you have something to say about that?

PERINO: I do think it would be helpful if more people in the business community put their money where their mouth is and decided to run for office. They have leadership skills. They've built successful companies.
They've managed people. They know how to deal with accountability, and so we could do worse than to have more people from business want to run for office, than coming straight from universities to try to run.

BOLLING: True.

BECKEL: Go ahead, Greg. You want to say something about the Donald?

GUTFELD: The irony -- the irony about this whole election system is, to get a liberal in power, things have to be really, really good. In order to get a conservative in power, things have to get really, really bad.

TANTAROS: Yes, it's really bad here in New York.

BECKEL: I see you don't want to talk about Trump, either. You're all New Yorkers. You're all...

GUTFELD: You're not letting me finish.

BECKEL: Sorry.

GUTFELD: It's like the only way Republicans and conservatives get elected is if they're the adults returning home to clean up the kids'
party.

BECKEL: That's Trump you're talking about. OK. What about you? You like Donald Trump, don't you?

TANTAROS: I do. We live in one of those -- what is it, the most taxed state in the entire union? What's wrong with having a goal of cutting taxes in half? Why is that so bad?

I know Republicans should be specific. Republicans have to be specific with their legislative plans. Democrats can just say change. And everyone just goes along with it.

PERINO: Equality.

BECKEL: I agree.

TANTAROS: If you look around -- hold on.

BECKEL: Sure.

TANTAROS: If you look around New York, and I know you have, you see all these buildings that say "Trump" on them. You can't just get that by being a total dummy. He's very shrewd. He's very smart. He understands foreign business. He understands domestic policy. I think he'd be great.
I don't think he's going to run, but I think he would be good.

BECKEL: He had a daddy that gave him several hundred thousand apartments. But...

TANTAROS: But think about that. You always say this about Donald Trump. His father gave him a small start. OK, he did help him out. But he could have lost that money. Look what he did with it.

BECKEL: I think what they just said about the people who are in business, but this guy gets up to the starting line, and every time he backs off. And I don't understand. If he wants to run, run. If you don't want to run, shut up.

GUTFELD: I'd rather have a community organizer.

TANTAROS: Guess what? You do. The president.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: Time now for "One More Thing," and I have no script so I don't know who to go to first. I'm going to choose Andrea.

TANTAROS: OK. Last week, I had the privilege of seeing TravisTheMovie.com, a story about one of five quadruple amputees. This movie was great. I was invited by our colleague and friend, Jenna Lee, host of "Happening Now." Here's a preview of this incredibly powerful movie.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just had a normal day at work that turned ugly.
Six seconds, I guess, later, and I woke up. A medic came running up to me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need blood, people. Over here. Put on a tourniquet!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'll be out of here in ten months. I kept saying, "Why? You know, what's your big rush?" I said, "Hey, Doc. Look behind you. I have pictures of me and my wife and my daughter. I have a family.
I live in a hospital bed. Get me out of here."

Every day is a challenge. But if it's not a challenge, you can't overcome it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: It will change your life, believe me. Go to TravisTheMovie.com to check it out. And if you know of anyone with a connection to a theater, they're looking to get theaters across the country to screen this film. You won't regret it.

PERINO: Wow. Very good. OMT.

All right, Eric.

BOLLING: Wow. That is really powerful. So I'm a free market capitalism guy. Detroit needs a lot of economic help. You can run the VO right now.

That's why it's interesting that Georgie and her husband started a new cafe, Middle Eastern cafe, but the name is what's really important here.
It's called The Bomb Fast Food. You can't make this stuff up. You know what, though? Look. It's actually -- there's a lot of interest in the place. People are, like, flocking to get to the place. I'm actually all right with this one.

TANTAROS: Like da bomb, or like...

PERINO: I don't know. I don't know.

BECKEL: Are they Muslims?

BOLLING: Syrian.

BECKEL: Syrian?

PERINO: You get a roll of -- you get some Rolaids with every order.

OK, Bob. You're next.

BECKEL: The -- sort of a sad story. Joan Mondale, the wife of my former boss, Fritz Mondale, died yesterday in St. Paul, Minnesota. She was
83 years old. She was one of the nicest and sweetest people I had ever met. Her commitment to the arts was phenomenal. She did -- not just for people who were well-known artists, but she would take people who were new to art and would put their pictures up in the vice president's mansion.

She did an enormous amount of things. She was a wonderful person.
She will be missed, and God bless you for everything you've done for me over the years.

PERINO: Indeed.

All right, Greg.

GUTFELD: From there to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: I hate these people!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Genderists. In the name of equality, we're suspending common sense. I was at the gym this morning. I went into the locker room to take a shower. There was a female health inspector in the showers walking around.

BECKEL: What's wrong with that?

GUTFELD: There's a lot wrong with it. Anyway, so I leave the locker room, I go to the employee in the middle there and I go, "You know that there's a female health inspector in the locker room."

She goes, "Oh, yes, we do."

And I go, "Do you mind if a male health inspector goes into the women's bathroom -- locker room?"

He goes, "Wow, that's a really good question. I don't know." Idiots!

PERINO: That's a really good question.

GUTFELD: Hypocrisy.

PERINO: I don't know what I would do if that happened.

GUTFELD: I know what you'd do.

PERINO: Really?

GUTFELD: I have no idea.

PERINO: OK. I want to talk about a story I saw on the front page of the Wall Street Journal today about a collaboration between ten of the big pharmaceutical drug companies and the NIH, the National Institute of Health.

They are going to be collaborating with money and the best and brightest of their minds to come together to try to find cures for diseases like Alzheimer's and other things, especially, that affect the brain. This was a good example of public-private partnerships and a way for Americans -
- Americans to really put some muscle behind trying to figure out Alzheimer's and other diseases.

Anybody else?

Done, done, done. Going once, going twice. Don't forget to set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We're going to see you back here tomorrow.

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