This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 22, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.
It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five".
TANTAROS: Well, tonight, liberals ratchet up their offensive rhetoric against the GOP. Developments on two new cases of extreme intolerance from the far left. The governor of New York actually admitted out loud there's no place for politicians with conservative beliefs in his state of New York.
Reaction from Glenn Beck last night on "THE KELLY FILE".
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GLENN BECK, THE BLAZE FOUNDER AND CHAIRMAN: If we can't live in the same state and work in the same state, what do we have? We have to decide, can we live with people of different points of view? If we can't, we've seen that road in the 20th century over and over again, and it doesn't end well.
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TANTAROS: More from Beck in a moment.
But, first, to the outrage over the NAACP's remarks about the only black U.S. Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina. Now, the head of the group's North Carolina chapter just called Scott a ventriloquist dummy for the GOP.
Here's the senator's response to those offensive comments.
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SEN. TIM SCOTT (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: We're not talking any longer about standing up for the rights of a racial minority. We're now talking about finding a way to have a conversation about philosophical bigotry.
This is a brand spanking new day because there's a major threat from the right, and it's not moving further to the right. It's actually having a conversation where we embrace people who are in need and in trouble and we show people, as I was shown, the path forward using basic commonsense principles that govern the actual economy.
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TANTAROS: Philosophical bigotry, Dana. Tim Scott said we would have to have the conversation about this. It's something that African- Americans, I think, in the Republican Party have dealt with for a very long time.
Is it time to have that conversation, and instead of maybe focusing on the advancements of blacks, which the NAACP doesn't seem interested in doing, talking about how they go after blacks even when they reach the highest of high points in their career and become a U.S. senator, just because they're a conservative?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: It doesn't make sense to me to go after somebody, presumably, the NAACP has fought for the right of the individual and the ability to stand for equal ability for anybody to do whatever they want to be able to do in America, which is what Tim Scott has done.
I don't understand why the NAACP and others continue to get themselves in this position. When asked about Tim Scott, why can't they just say, "Nice guy, but I don't want to comment on his politics", and let Tim Scott be Tim Scott?
What I admire Tim Scott for actually not doing what I would probably do. My instinct would be to say, I'm not going to comment on those remarks. Instead, he's decided to take them head on. And I do think that's probably necessary and good for us.
TANTAROS: And, Greg, he has told Foxnews.com, when he's talking about Martin Luther King, Jr., it's better to emphasize love rather than extremism. Shouldn't he maybe take his own advice?
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: OK, the case of Tim Scott and NAACP, is the puppets calling the marionette black, because if Scott is a dummy, then they're a legion of Punch and Judy's because their strings have been pulled by white liberals for years.
It brings up a point to me -- in this modern era, the most open-minded people happen to be conservatives because they look at flaws and differences as things you can improve upon, which is what Tim Scott was saying. The left refuses flaws and differences, refuses to acknowledge or accept them because they wish to destroy and start over. That's why they wish death on everybody or condemn people, the entire left, Bob.
But that's why when you see people as more forgiving on the right than you do on the left. If the hypocrisy of the self-designated tolerant is that they're only tolerant to people they agree with.
TANTAROS: And, Eric, if you look at some of the things he said also, he said we need to talk about what's right versus what's wrong. He seems to say one thing and then do another and when he's called on the carpet, he doesn't walk it back. I mean, he's really not sorry for what he said to the senator from South Carolina.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: "As you walk through the restaurant, we find people that are trapped, stuck in poverty, because you believe in the conservative positions." He goes on and on.
You know, it's almost getting -- it is s it's getting tiring. We have a black president, we have black senators, we have black heads -- captains of business, companies, we have black entertainment channels.
Where -- is there racism? I don't think there's racism. I think the only people perpetuating racism are people like this gentleman from NAACP, are the Al Sharptons of the world. Let's move on. Let's move on.
I don't think the right is to blame for anything that's -- you know what is to blame? President Obama can be to blame for a lot of the unemployment in the black community. Black unemployment is 16.5 percent.
Black unemployment among young people approaches 40 percent.
Last five years have been President Obama's. He owns it. He could fix it. He hasn't really helped the black community out too well.
TANTAROS: Bob, where are the rest of the black figures in the community to condemn these kind of comments, or do they speak volumes by saying nothing at all?
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, I would like to quote J.C. Watts who was the highest ranking elected black official in the United States Congress who said that the Republican Party has a damn long way to go before they get themselves in a position to attract blacks, and he's right. Republican Party has consistently over the years done nothing in an affirmative way to attract blacks. That's one of the problems they have. Now --
PERINO: Oh, my God. What are you talking about?
BECKEL: I'd like to know what it is.
PERINO: One example is education, and school choice, and No Child Left Behind. In particular, that was precisely for minority-based students because they were the ones that were getting left behind at schools all across America, because of the soft bigotry of low expectations.
BECKEL: I'll give you partially on No Child Left Behind.
But beyond that, I don't see -- I think J.C. Watts was right when he made these comments, that the Republican Party has not been -- now, I would not have called -- these kind of words are inflammatory and not necessary.
My guess is there are probably some politics in South Carolina going down on this deal.
But you know, the NAACP has done more, I think, in terms of alleviating the black condition than any other group in the country, not the least of which is the fund the -- I mean, Kansas versus Board of Education.
I don't -- I don't understand why it is that black conservatives always feel like they're -- you know, they're disenfranchised or nobody likes them.
PERINO: He didn't say anything.
GUTFELD: H didn't say that, though, Bob.
BOLLING: He's being disenfranchised by the NAACP right there.
BECKEL: Why is it that they believe -- maybe I didn't phrase that right. Why is it that black conservatives believe that nobody listens to them, that they have the answers, and that we're constantly doubting them?
TANTAROS: Who said that?
GUTFELD: Can I -- can I -- the scariest two words in a white liberal dictionary is Allen West. If they see him walking down the street, they cross it and get fleeced by Al Sharpton. It's white liberals in every -- whether it's on social networks or on TV, that mock black conservatives.
The way they treat Maya Love, the way they treat Allen West, the way they treat Kim Scott.
It's not an exception. It's the rule.
BECKEL: Wait a second --
TANTAROS: And they do the same -- and you know what, the Democratic Party does the same thing to women.
BECKEL: It was Allen West at a town meeting that said 79 percent to
81 percent of the Democratic caucus in the House were communists. Now, what are you going to -- where are you going to --
GUTFELD: Off by 10 percent.
BECKEL: Well, thank you. You and Allen West deserve to be in the same coral together. When you hear things like that from people like West, what do you expect us to do?
TANTAROS: OK. Did you -- now you just contradicted yourself?
TANTAROS: Can I ask you something, Bob?
GUTFELD: You said that's what they --
BECKEL: Well, when they say things like that, there's a reason to be put out.
TANTAROS: We have to move on. Bob, answer me this. Did the Democratic Party get together this week and say we're just going to say the most inflammatory things about everyone we're threatened by this week, because listen to this -- Andrew Cuomo, governor of New York state comes out and says people who are pro-life and extreme in his view, do not belong in the state of New York.
Now, Glenn Beck was also on "THE KELLY FILE" last night and said these words.
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BECK: I will tell you that Governor Cuomo sounds a little like the governor of Alabama when he was talking about the Freedom Bus and saying that Martin Luther King and those who want to march with Martin Luther King and be on the Freedom Bus should get out of the state. There's no place for those people here.
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BECKEL: That may be the most foolish, ridiculous, disgraceful --
TANTAROS: How, why, why?
BECKEL: No wonder the son of a bitch is off of TV.
BECKEL: Because he equates Andrew Cuomo with one of the most racist governors, who allowed black people to be lynched in his state, who never allowed blacks on the jury, and he, Glenn Beck, is equating him with Mario
-- with Cuomo, with Governor Cuomo. It's ridiculous. He ought to leave the state.
BOLLING: Let's instead talk about what Cuomo did say.
BECKEL: He didn't say conservatives, by the way?
BOLLING: Well, he said right wing, I guess, aren't welcome in the state of New York.
Can I just tell you something? Conservatives and especially the right wing, the Tea Party, are for smaller government, lower taxes. Right now, in New York state, across the state running ads, come to New York, a tax- free zone if you bring your business to New York, which would be exactly what a right-wing extremist conservative principle would probably be. Yet Cuomo is running ads for New York, paying for these ads for people to bring their business there.
So, he maybe should leave New York. By the way, that would make him a right-wing extremist.
BECKEL: I think Cuomo had bad choice of words, but he did not say conservatives. You all are conservatives. I don't think he suggests you should leave the state.
PERINO: Oh, yes.
TANTAROS: He's basically saying, if you don't fall in line and agree with me, Greg, then get out of my state -- a state that a lot of people elected him to, but it's not his state.
GUTFELD: It goes back to the conservatives think liberals are wrong, and liberals think conservatives are evil. That's the inherent flaw.
They refuse to face opposition to their ideas. They would rather have you go away because they're terrified that their ideas will wilt like wet noodles right before your eyes. So, instead, just get out of my sight. Go away.
BECKEL: I don't believe that.
TANTAROS: Or become sheep and agree with what Cuomo believes.
You know what? I think America needs to know what Andrew Cuomo believes, Dana. Andrew Cuomo and his Women's Equality Act believes that at any point in a woman's pregnancy, she can just terminate it, and a majority of Democrats do not agree with that.
He also believes that, hey, gender selection, you're having a girl, you don't want a girl, have a boy? Do that.
He's the most extreme. And only 16 percent of New Yorkers agree with him. So, only 16 percent of people are allowed to stay in the Empire State?
BECKEL: Oh, that's just -- that just drives me crazy.
TANTAROS: That's what he's saying.
PERINO: And aside from those --
BECKEL: That's what conservatives do, they get us crazy.
PERINO: Aside from those issues, basically, New York and New York city in particular has been practicing economic hostage-taking for years.
This is the place where people need to be to do business, if you want to be in media, publishing, now finance, high tech.
This is where you have to be.
But I can't wait for the day that I don't have to be here. I mean, I love this show. I want to be a part of FOX News. But if I didn't have to live in New York City, people are so mean here, I can't believe how people are horrible.
BOLLING: How about we move the show to Dallas?
PERINO: No, I'm for Charleston or Savannah.
BOLLING: Can I point something out? Last night, we talked about this.
BOLLING: This blew up on Twitter when you and I had this discussion, Bob. Outside of New York City, four of the five boroughs of Staten Island, I would say, is very red. New York state, Upstate New York is extremely conservative population. They love America.
Can I say that?
BECKEL: Does that mean that those of us who are not conservatives don't love America?
BOLLING: They like smaller government.
PERINO: Why doesn't Cuomo try to do something other leaders would do like Madison who said you have to protect the rights of the minority? Why not?
BECKEL: He never should have used the words he used. I agree.
PERINO: Right, he doesn't use those -- so then he gets the apology.
Somebody else says something -- he gets the acceptance and the forgiveness.
Republicans say something that's outrageous and they're forever, you-know- what, under the sun from here to kingdom come.
BECKEL: You all are feeling like you're being put upon.
TANTAROS: Because we are.
GUTFELD: What did you just call Glenn Beck?
BECKEL: For comparing the governor of New York with George Wallace?
I mean --
TANTAROS: Bob, the point he was making --
GUTFELD: Comparing the idea of what he was saying, the intolerance of the ideas.
BECKEL: Well --
TANTAROS: And if there's a minority, if there's a minority, in any way, whether it's a racial minority, a minority that believe in life, if it's a minority that believes in whatever, they have rights, too. And that's the problem.
The Democratic Party doesn't seem to understand it. Everyone should have rights.
TANTAROS: Don't they, shouldn't they?
BECKEL: Don't say the Democratic Party as a general statement.
TANTAROS: We're going to move the show to Miami.
Next, you probably remember her. She's the Democrat in Texas who staged an 11-hour filibuster to block abortion restrictions. Now, Wendy Davis is running for governor and she's just been caught fudging facts about her life story. Eric has the details on that.
Plus, new info on the bombshell indictment of former Governor McDonnell of Virginia. That's coming up right after the break.
BOLLING: Welcome back, y'all.
Wendy Davis, some call her abortion Barbie for her 11-hour filibuster on the Texas senate floor on an abortion bill. Now, the Democratic contender for Texas governor is under fire for be less than truthful about her past, much less than truthful, in fact.
You see, Wendy (ph) told "The Dallas Morning News" she put herself through law school and lived in a trailer after her divorce. Turns out, according to anonymous sources, that story is far from accurate, pointing out that Ms. Davis, lived in a mobile home for a, quote, "few months and about that very high-priced Harvard law degree, apparently, it was financed by her very wealthy husband."
Here's Dr. Charles Krauthammer's take.
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CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: Everybody in America tries to create a log cabin story. This is her log cabin story. The problem is, I think it was Larry Sabato who said, if you're going to create a narrative, that's perfectly OK, but make sure it's a real narrative.
And she says her problem is a lack of tightness. It's an odd word.
It's really a lack of truth.
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BOLLING: So what is it with Democrats and the truth? Do their paths ever cross, Bob?
BECKEL: What is it about Democrats?
BOLLING: All right.
BECKEL: Is that what you just asked me?
BOLLING: Wendy Davis clearly made a name for herself when she did a filibuster on the abortion bill on the Texas Senate floor, and not we're finding out her past may be nothing --
BECKEL: Not nothing. She said some things. She exaggerated her situation in a trailer park. I understand that.
BECKEL: Ad part of her education was paid for by a wealthy husband.
Beyond that, and if those are indictments for somebody's entire career, I find that a little bit difficult for me to accept. If that's the case, very few politicians would stand mustard to that. I mean, I don't think -- most of the politicians I had, as Krauthammer called them a log cabin story, is true. I mean, a lot of them create a log cabin, take the best points and leave the worst behind. I don't think that's a disqualifier for her to be governor.
And why is it when you say why is it Democrats, let me throw it back here -- why Republicans, four of them when I was doing politics were anti- gay who turned out to be gay.
BOLLING: So, Greg, Wendy Davis said her account of her past was a little loose.
GUTFELD: Right, yes. Her bio has more holes than a pee-wee golf course, but she's a woman. So, it's already started, the force field that when you criticize President Obama, it's because you're racist. Now it's going to be, if you criticize her, it's because she's a woman and that's going to help her win.
This is what happened with Elizabeth Warren. Elizabeth Warren, the alleged Native American, I think her one toe nail was Cherokee. It didn't matter. At the end, it didn't matter.
She was elected because you come across as sexist if you go after somebody. That's going to help her. I don't know though if her views on abortion are so extreme, I don't know if she is going to win.
BOLLING: Ands, what do you think of this. Is it OK for the kind of change her path a little bit? Is that all right?
TANTAROS: Fake it until you make it, right? So, a lot of people do it, because I guess they don't realize that things exist like Google. And if you're a liberal, you're not going to get called on it.
I mean, really, the press was digging through Sarah Palin's dumpster to find something on her. They couldn't find it, so they made up their own story. Was the kid really hers?
She was attacked for everything even though she had a legitimate lob cabin story.
Here's my issue with the whole woman thing. Wendy Davis is being hailed as a feminist icon, a woman that everyone should look up to, and these are the messages she's putting out there for women. And you know what, you can say I hate women, all you liberals out there, good luck with that.
Fake it until you make it, can't pay for your education, get a man to do it for you. There's a word for that, and then bailing on your children.
Very important piece in the "Washington Examiner" from a woman named Ash Show (ph) that unearthed this detail about Ms. Davis.
This is her character, and everyone needs to know this. She said to her husband at the time, you know what? You'll make a good nurturing father. While I have been a good mother, it's not a good time for me right now.
So, she ditched her 14-year-old daughter, Eric, to put her own aspirations above her daughter's. Fake it until you make it. Let a man pay.
BECKEL: You're basing that on this woman?
TANTAROS: And then finally this, bail on your children, born or unborn. Women do not listen to her.
BECKEL: You're buying into this right-wing rag woman saying this thing? Is that evidence?
BOLLING: Bob, hold on, I want to get Dana here.
Dana, according to this account, Ms. Davis said about Greg Abbott, who she believes planted this story or released this --
PERINO: Her opponent.
BOLLING: Her opponent. She said, he hasn't walked a day in my shoes.
PERINO: Turns out he's in a wheelchair. Yes.
That's probably not the best choice of words. She should tighten her language up so he doesn't have another one of those loose-lipped problems.
Here's my concern, though. The ferocity the right as come after her about the holes in her story plays right into the trap of what Elizabeth Warren did, which she said, then you are against women. So, Republicans go right after her.
Now, there are legitimate things to talk about here, but I think that if we as a people are going to actually have policy debates, I would actually be more concerned, what is she going to do in the state of Texas?
What would she do differently?
The abortion piece is one of them. But also, economically, that state is doing so great. What would she do that would be different? How is she going to improve upon that?
And one thing that you guys might not realize, I actually was born in a log cabin.
BOLLING: On that note, we've got to move on.
BECKEL: Wait a minute.
BOLLING: Very quickly.
BECKEL: All right. Very quickly, when you say women are all protected, all these women, and blacks are protected, now we're at 54 percent, 55 percent of the population. That means the rest of you are in the minority, isn't it?
BOLLING: OK. All right.
BOLLING: You know the other thing about conservatives, we hate corruption. Democrat corruption, Republican corruption, all corruption.
BOLLING: The difference between a conservative and a liberal, conservatives find it and fix it. Democrats hide it and deny it. So, Republican and former governor of Virginia, Bob McDonnell and his wife are under indictment, the 43-page indictment reads like a "Sopranos" episode with demands for shopping sprees, gold watches, and inaugural dresses, all alleged at this point.
Here's the governor in his own words.
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BOB MCDONNELL (R-VA), FORMER GOVERNOR: No other elected official has been successfully prosecuted for such conduct. Yet federal officials in Washington, in their zeal to find a basis for charging Maureen and me, have decided to stretch the law to its breaking point in this case.
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BOLLING: All right, let's take it, Dana, Virginia has pretty lax election laws.
PERINO: Yes, so you might see Terry McAuliffe, the new governor, try to tighten those up in the next legislative session. It's probably a conversation that Virginia needs to have amongst itself.
What is interesting about politicians is that maybe this is true for everybody, but it's very hard to be a celebrity and not be rich, because then you end up being around all these people who have all this money and the temptations get to be so strong for some people, and it's basically destroyed the political career, hopefully not his family life. They are going to go through some really tough times in Virginia, just has a huge black eye after this.
BOLLING: Greg, if you read the indictment, it really sounds terrible.
On the one hand, you have to feel bad. He was broke. He had no money.
BOLLING: But on the other hand, the demands coming from both he and his wife were pretty alarming.
GUTFELD: Yes, and this goes to your point. If you're a Republican, that's corruption. But if you're a Democrat, that's just Detroit.
BOLLING: Yes, right.
BECKEL: Well, last --
GUTFELD: Not New Jersey.
BECKEL: Go ahead.
TANTAROS: You can go.
BECKEL: No, I was going to say, the thing I found amazing about what he said, we're the only politicians who have been indicted for this corruption. I mean, basically, it's the way we should corrupt, it's OK, why are we the first to get it?
The only people I know who are under investigation now for potential corruption are two Republicans, the governor of Virginia, the former governor of Virginia, and the governor of New Jersey.
BOLLING: There's things like Whitewater, Clinton, Jon Corzine, Blagojevich.
BOLLING: Kwame Kilpatrick, I'm sorry, Ands. Go ahead.
TANTAROS: I was going to say, they're in a lot of trouble. The McDonnells are in a lot of trouble. Also in Virginia, there are term limits. So it's an argument, maybe, against term limits.
If you have to run for another campaign, you're going to watch yourself, but they were in, one and done, four years. And so, I think there's temptation. As much as I think we should have term limits, this might be a little too short.
BOLLING: Quick though, your lip is quivering.
BECKEL: I don't know. I think Virginia is the last state with one term, and they really ought to rethink that. Kentucky was the last one before that. When you look at states with one terms, there's more corruption.
PERINO: Agreed. Got to get it all into four years.
BECKEL: That's right.
BOLLING: Can we point out, this is a federal indictment? So it's kind of unusual to come from the feds rather than within the state. So --
BECKEL: Can I say something really quick?
BECKEL: I said (INAUDIBLE) the governor of Kentucky, I said, why is it do you only have four-year terms in the state? He said, son, if you can't make $30 million in four years in this state as a governor, you ought not to be governor.
BOLLING: Was he a Democrat?
Coming up --
BECKEL: He was a Democrat. He's actually was.
BOLLING: The first lady caught on dunk cam photobombing some Miami Heat players at the White House. We'll show the tape.
Plus, our thoughts on the first lady's surprising shout-out to Hanoi Jane. That's coming up on "The Five".
GUTFELD: First Lady Michelle Obama shot a video last week with a Miami Heat, aimed at highlighting eating healthy and drinking water. Two things I'm completely against.
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ERIK SPOELSTRA, MIAMI HEAT: Hi, everyone. I'm Erik Spoelstra of the Miami Heat and a member of the NBA fit team.
I'm here today at the White House to find out why eating healthy can help you perform like a champion.
DWYANE WADE, MIAMI HEAT: I eat fruits and vegetables every day because it gives me energy I need to perform at the top of my game.
SPOELSTRA: Thanks, Dwyane. What about you, Ray?
RAY ALLEN, MIAMI HEAT: I can steak focused and refreshed.
WADE: Eating the right foods can help you become a better athlete.
MICHELLE OBAMA, FIRST LADY: Oh!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: Kind of goofy, but if it helps fat kids, why not? And besides, if you say anything bad about the first lady, you're going to get dunked, which is while I'll say something bad about Jane Fonda instead.
The first lady cited her as inspiration in "People" magazine. She called her beautiful, engaged, politically savvy, sharp woman. The politically savvy and sharp stuff bugs me for it suggests casual amnesia about bad people once they get older.
Somehow, we forget that Fonda was photographed in North Vietnam in
1962 sitting proudly on an anti-aircraft battery. She also called our military leaders war criminals and tortured POWs, hypocrites and liars.
I'm trying hard to find something equally creepy on the right. Maybe Sarah Palin said she admired Mussolini's abs. I don't know, I can't find any. But sadly, in America, once a radical ages, their past becomes part of some grand mosaic labeled cool.
It's as if aiding the enemy was no different than dating a Beatle.
But it is, and Michelle's message seems to be, so what if you're a traitor?
You look great.
So, while it's important to make sound food choices, it's also important to make sound friend choices. So -- or maybe just stick to saying, eat your vegetables.
Andrea, let's go around the table. What did you make of the video?
It was interesting, amateur, fun, perhaps?
TANTAROS: No, it was cute. This is her campaign. She's allowed to pick whatever campaign she wants.
She's done a lot of good with it. The video, it was fun. I mean, I don't think I would watch it beyond the show.
The comments about Jane Fonda, she did say she wants to look like Jane Fonda.
GUTFELD: That is true.
TANTAROS: Which I give her some slack on that. Jane Fonda looks really, really good.
But she also says she wants to live like her. And all you have to do is do a little research on Ms. Jane Fonda who said men dominated her, her entire life. And she didn't feel validated unless she was a man.
Vietnam, everything that she's done, I don't know that she's the best role model.
And I said that Michelle Obama is, I think, a much better role model than Jane Fonda. She's much smarter. She didn't make all the mistakes that Fonda did. Michelle doesn't need to look at her. She has a pretty good resume on her own.
GUTFELD: Good point, Bob?
BECKEL: It's almost amazing to me how first ladies -- who thought about childhood obesity before she got into this issue?
PERINO: No one, no one ever. No one ever, ever thought of fat kids and childhood obesity.
BECKEL: As a discussion point, it really was true. I don't think it was right. I don't think many people thought about AIDS in Africa before Barbara Bush raised it. I don't think people thought the war on drugs until Nancy Regan raised it.
I think first ladies have a position to make an issue, and as far as Jane Fonda is concerned, could you let her live down that bad week in her life? You can't judge her whole life based on that.
GUTFELD: Yes, you can.
BECKEL: If that's the case, you and I are in trouble.
GUTFELD: That's true. Eric, is Bob right that I'm being too harsh on Jane Fonda?
BOLLING: No, I think you're completely right. Don't forget what you did. Her bad week, it happened to be during a war time, and our soldiers were being taken and tortured at the time.
Bad week, we'll live with her forever. Michelle Obama, first lady, lack of good choices, let's call it that way. Calling Jane Fonda politically savvy.
She could go -- if she was interested in other progressive communist actors, maybe, I don't know, Rosie O'Donnell, or even Rachel Maddow --
BECKEL: Yes, yes. They're liberal, they're a commie, no question.
GUTFELD: Dana, you were watching the video and said Michelle Obama should be impeached. I was shocked.
PERINO: That I didn't know she couldn't be impeached?
PERINO: Think about Jane Fonda, you have to do like 1,000 of those dog lifts, exercises leg lifts a day. It takes a lot of time. Only people like Jane Fonda can actually afford the time to do things like that. I'm not going to criticize Michelle Obama.
I think the obesity thing, it could be working. It's not just her influence, but a confluence of efforts, and the preventive care we need to take hold in this country so we can deal with all the problems that come from obesity. I think it is working, and the thing about the video with the PSA. She's breaking the mold a little bit. It's not like the usual first lady things you see, but she's fun.
GUTFELD: All right, I get it. You know who is looking like Jane Fonda? Jon Bon Jovi.
GUTFELD: He's turning into Jane Fonda.
PERINO: He does 1,000 dog leg lifts a day.
BECKEL: What is a dogleg lift? You go up like you're going against a tree?
PERINO: Kind of, like on all fours and you lift your leg up. She made it famous.
GUTFELD: Yes, OK.
PERINO: You had the video.
GUTFELD: I never had the video.
PERINO: Yes, you did.
GUTFELD: Our public punishments for kids really the best way to teach them a lesson? We'll debate the sign shaming trend when "The Five" returns.
PERINO: All right. Should children be publicly ashamed to teach them a lesson when they do something wrong? Bob brought this up in our one more thing the other day and we wanted to talk about it a little more.
In Texas, a 12-year-old boy named Dillon was put on a busy street corner with a sign that said I was suspended from school for cussing out my teacher. And that's just one example of how some kids nationwide are being publicly disciplined by their families.
Here is video of another 12-year-old wearing a sign for swearing at a teacher in Florida, and then there was this sixth grader forced to wear a punishment sign for skipping school. That also happened in Florida.
And, Bob, I want to ask you since you brought this up. You think this is horrible and you wouldn't have done this to your children.
BECKEL: I certainly wouldn't do this to my children. First of all, you put them out in busy streets. That's a little bit dangerous in and of itself.
The other thing is, for a kid to do that, who swear at their kids, maybe you ought to look back at the parenting that's taking place. Maybe this is not all just a product of some -- a great kid, they said he was never trained that way. Well, if he wasn't trained that way, he did it.
I mean, I think there's probably more appropriate ways to deal with it than putting him out on a busy highway with a sign. It's like putting prisoners in striped pajamas and having them walk with a ball behind them.
PERINO: What about letting parents decide the punishment and us not judging them for their decision?
BOLLING: All for it. OK, so you heard the story, I told it many times about getting the paddle in high school, Jesuit high school, paddle across my butt.
I swear to God I never was bad in that class again. You can't do that anymore because it's socially -- the PC police would come down so hard.
This is not a bad thing. Assuming you're not putting the kid in traffic, you're shaming them. So what? So what?
I think this is an effective punishment that will deter that behavior going forward. It doesn't hurt a kid.
PERINO: Whatever happened, Greg, to just being sent to your room?
GUTFELD: That's an excellent point. That's not punishment. You send a kid to his room, you're sending him to the greatest entertainment center ever created.
They've got DVDs. I just aged myself.
They've got Xbox. They've got phones. They've got everything.
PERINO: Tickle me Elmo.
GUTFELD: That's disgusting.
TANTAROS: Greg has Tickle Me Elmo.
GUTFELD: Suspension. Why suspend somebody? You send them home to their room. That's crazy.
I agree with Eric. Shaming is an important part of the human condition. You remember when you were shamed. It never goes away. I think that having parents involved in this, at least it means their parents are there, who care, and I do think there's a rise in idiocy that correlates with a decrease in shame.
PERINO: Maybe we can send kids to the formal living room where no one ever goes except when guests come once a year.
GUTFELD: That's horrible. I think the street is good.
PERINO: Andrea, you said if your parents did that, you would be wearing a lot of sandwich boards around junior high age.
TANTAROS: Yes, I would have lived junior high in a sandwich board, but they knew I was different than my older siblings. They could you know, spanked my sister and it would work. My mom knew for me it was cutting off my communication so I couldn't talk to my friends. That's when I would freak out and be really devastated.
So, maybe these parents tried other things with their kids and nothing was working. I do think swearing at teachers, I never did that. Never.
My dad thought I did it once and I was grounded for a week and I think I got smacked because he thought I said something disrespectful, but I never would.
So I love that the parents did something creative.
BECKEL: You said, if you take away their ability to text. That would kill them.
GUTFELD: You mean cut off their fingers?
BECKEL: No. Cut off their fingers and then take their phone.
GUTFELD: That's pretty harsh, Bob.
PERINO: All right. Next on "The Five" --
BECKEL: I tell you, if they can't text, they can't live.
PERINO: All right. Next on "The Five", Colorado want to keep their drinkers from causing trouble, so they may keep bars open longer and let them keep boozing it up. So, it's going from good to good. I mean, it's great there.
Good idea to do away with `last call"? We're going to debate.
Plus, Bob has a special story about something he did during the snowstorm last night. You're not going to want to miss that.
BECKEL: More time to drink, less time for trouble? That's the idea behind a new bill proposed in Colorado to extend the hours bars stay open from 2 a.m. to 7 a.m. Proponents say there's a bigger risk of bad behavior if all drinkers file out together at closing time at 2 a.m.
Eric, what do you think about that?
BOLLING: Very quickly, I think why stop at 7? Just make it close when you want to close.
BECKEL: Close when you want to close. Dana, how about you? You get out of bars usually at 2.
PERINO: Yes. It's difficult to figure out when I'm doing to drink next. Yes, I really pound it home. That half hour beforehand.
My husband is British. I lived in Britain, and Brit talked to them today. They said in the U.K., they tried this and it hasn't worked. So do we see a pattern here? The national health service doesn't work. We're trying it here. That's not working. This won't work.
TANTAROS: The Brits drink all day long.
BECKEL: All right, Greg, now you have a report tonight on the answer, solution.
GUTFELD: I love how she makes a phone call. That's science.
Look, this is a great idea. You disperse the drinkers. You're staggering the drunks, more of them. Make it -- but the whole point is you make it 24/7. It's got to be around the clock. And that makes it -- that will make it much better for everybody. Why close? Have more employees.
BOLLING: What about 7 is important?
GUTFELD: Exactly, it's so arbitrary. Make it around the clock drunk.
BECKEL: What do you think?
TANTAROS: Well, I've only been up at that hour just a handful of times, but I think this law is genius. And I'll tell you why. Why do most people get in a fight? Over women.
Why are they fighting over women? They say last call and, as Dana points out, as she does, she orders, like, 17 Irish car bombs and everyone is racing to get really drunk.
Guys are like, OK, now I haven't met a girl. And I don't have to tell you guys this. You go. You put your best effort in.
TANTAROS: I think that's how you met your wife, Eric. You go after them with full force. And then it's usually someone else's girl, and that's how the fights break out. I love this idea, because the God's flashlight, the sun, when that comes up...
PERINO: And you give up on anybody good at that point.
GUTFELD: Bob has a theory.
TANTAROS: Bob, you had a very good night last night. You did something very nice in the snowstorm.
BECKEL: Well, it actually relates to this a little bit. I -- I got back home in the snowstorm. It was freezing, and the phone rang. In AA, if you're called out to help people who want to do a meeting, these people were stranded at LaGuardia because of the snow storm, right?
So I got together with three other guys, and we got in a four-wheel drive and drove out to LaGuardia to have a meeting with people who were angry anyway, and a lot of new drunks are pretty angry to begin with. So they're pretty angry anyway.
But here's the thing that got me about it. Is that the bars out at LaGuardia stayed open, because they were feeling badly because everybody was stranded there.
Now, as far as I'm concerned, I mean, maybe that's fine for some people, but to have a bunch of drunks out there who are recovering alcoholics and have the bars open all night until their planes take off is not a good idea. This -- I just don't like the idea of 24 hours or 17, or whatever it is.
And by the way, a 2 at 10 is a 10 at 2. Any woman you can pick up at
2 a.m. in the morning or who can drum looks like a million dollars until the sun comes up.
BOLLING: Can I just do this very quickly? I'm sorry. For all those people who e-mail us and Twitter us and say, you know, "Kick Bob" or "Punch Bob" or something like that, that story right there...
BOLLING: ... proves you are a great guy with a big old conservative heart.
BECKEL: Well, thank you. That's nice of you to say that.
"One More Thing" is up next.
TANTAROS: Time now for "One More Thing."
BOLLING: OK, so I told you I'm on Snap Chat. I've got about 7,500 snap chatters already. I love this, EB2016. So last night, we were leaving the studio, and look who we bump into. K.G. goes, "There's that tan guy. He's even tanner than Eric. It's George Hamilton. So we took the picture. And check out the upper left. Chuck Porter Berry.
PERINO: But did he ask you why? Did George Hamilton ask you why it's EB2016? Because this is a mystery we have to -- why are we waiting to announce?
BOLLING: Nothing. He didn't -- he didn't even mention, didn't even know about.
TANTAROS: I didn't even recognize him.
BOLLING: Anyway, we had a great time, good picture.
BECKEL: Yes, well, you remember the computer -- you probably owned a Macintosh computer, right? This little company that started advertising Macintoshes 30 years ago this day in history today. Let's take a look at their first ad.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We shall prevail.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On January 24th, Apple Computer will introduce Macintosh, and you'll see why 1984 won't be like "1984."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BECKEL: There you go. That's -- that company now is a $500 billion a year company.
BECKEL: Capitalism, that's right. I have a Mac. Finally.
TANTAROS: You have a Big Mac for lunch?
BECKEL: I had an abacus before that.
TANTAROS: Dana, you're up.
PERINO: OK. You've heard of the movie, I hope, it's a pro-fracking movie, called "FrackNation." It was trying to be seen at the Frozen River Film Festival. That's in Minnesota. It actually got pulled.
And the reason it got pulled is because the -- they apparently don't have a film representative to speak at the festival. OK, that's fine, except "Gasland 2," which is an anti-fracking movie, it actually does not have anybody speaking there either or representing them, but it is going forward and it will be seen.
So we called the Frozen River Film Festival today, asked them why the discrepancy. No one ever got back to us. So anyway, if you care about America's future, you should watch "FrackNation."
BOLLING: There you go.
GUTFELD: A little lesson to all you kids at home. If you're going to play hockey and if you're going to be a goalie, you should probably do it when you're sober. We've got some tape here. Very...
PERINO: You fell for this?
GUTFELD: What? What do you mean?
PERINO: Did Josh give you this "One More Thing"?
GUTFELD: Yes, why?
PERINO: Because I turned it down.
GUTFELD: I think it's quite amusing. He's drunk, I believe, or maybe he's just clumsy, or maybe he's narcoleptic.
TANTAROS: Maybe he has problems.
GUTFELD: No. I think he might be narcoleptic. There we go.
That's definitely a last call. All right, thanks for ruining my "One More Thing," Dana.
TANTAROS: OK, or no, actually, Bob just ruined mine with his phone going off. In the meantime, listen to this, the science of the snog.
Researchers at Oxford University say if you want to find the right partner, you have to kiss as many people as humanly possible. They say that it's the best way to figure out. Even if you're attracted to somebody on the outside, if you kiss them, that's how you know if it's right.
BECKEL: Yes. You do.
TANTAROS: And even if you liked them beforehand, sometimes you kiss them and it's the way they kiss or maybe they have bad breath or whatever it is. I totally agree with this. The kiss is everything.
BECKEL: I agree with it, too. I'm all for that. Where is that?
TANTAROS: Anywhere, Bob. The floor. Anywhere but right here.
GUTFELD: Walk down the street, Bob, just kiss anybody you see.
PERINO: It's a whole thing they're doing in New York this week.
PERINO: Just try it as you -- as you walk home.
BECKEL: Hug everybody, now kiss everybody, then what's next?
TANTAROS: You find your partner.
All right. Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you right back here tomorrow.
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