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New revelations from Robert Gates' memoir

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 15, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."

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TANTAROS: Well, President Obama was telling Americans one thing about our mission in Afghanistan and telling his aides another behind closed doors in 2010. That from the former secretary of defense in his administration who just did a cable news interview with our own Sean Hannity last night.

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ROBERT GATES, FORMER DEFENSE SECRETARY: As late as December of 2010, he was still going out in front of the public and announcing the results of the latest review and saying, you know, we're moving ahead. We're doing a good job. We're accomplishing what we set out to do.

But I think behind the scenes, he was -- he was continually worried that the thing wasn't working and expressed those concerns, in large groups as well as face-to-face.

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TANTAROS: Well, not only was the president unsure about his decision to send 30,000 more troops into harm's way, but Robert Gates also told Sean about his suspicion of the military leaders running the war.

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GATES: I always had the feeling with him, first of all, that he was suspicious of their motives. And, second, that time spent with them was an obligation, rather than something he enjoyed.

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TANTAROS: Unfortunately, the jaw droppers don't stop there.

But, Eric, what do you think about this admission that President Obama is going out there, he's telling the public everything is going great, we're doing a good job, we're getting results, and then behind closed doors, he has this apprehension, he doesn't want to be there? I can see on one hand how he wouldn't want to go out and slam the mission while we have men and women in harm's way, but if he was so against it, why didn't he pull them out?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Again, I'm not sure why he didn't and again,
30,000 more troops, and then Bob Gates tells he wasn't sure of the mission and he didn't trust in the leaders. He said -- Gates tells us President Obama wasn't sure that the leaders were carrying out the mission properly.
He was completely insecure in some of the things he was -- the shot he was calling. And you're going to tell me if you're on the front line right now, forget then, right now, you're wondering whether or not this commander in chief is convinced he's doing the right thing, whether these people on the front line are in fact representing the United States of America.

I've got to tell you, if I'm a parent of a kid over there right now, I'm going, wow, define this mission, either get in, get out, and before you do anything else, you better be sure about what you do, your next move.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: That's just absolutely ridiculous.

BOLLING: Which part?

BECKEL: All of it.

BOLLING: Why?

BECKEL: First of all, let me just say one thing. Who sends in troops in a mission like that and doesn't have second thoughts about it? Doesn't think about it every day? Wonder whether it was the right decision to make. I bet you George Bush did, too.

And the other thing is this is gates saying he had this feeling about Obama and the chiefs. A feeling doesn't sell me on anything.

BOLLING: You think George Bush wasn't sure about his mission --

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BECKEL: I think every day he asked himself a question, I hope I did the right thing?

BOLLING: Of course, everyone asked yourself if you do the right thing.

BECKEL: That's my point.

BOLLING: But you don't stand in front of the secretary of defense and the future -- was she secretary of state at the time? Not sure, Hillary Clinton, and say, you know what, I'm not sure about this. You don't do that. You basically told the world --

BECKEL: I don't think. He said he had concerns about it, and who wouldn't have concerns?

TANTAROS: But, Bob, he did run on Afghanistan being the good war. I mean, that was part of his whole strategy. He went after George Bush for Iraq and argued we should be in Afghanistan.

But is this so explosive, Greg? Before he argued this was the good war, look back to his record. President Obama was never the pro-war guy.
I'm just wondering why do it at all? Why continue with a war if you're not interested in war?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Because a lot of it has to do with the fact that people don't trust you. You have to somehow overcome that trust.

Gates said that President Obama was suspicious of the military. It's a two-way street. Obama has spent his entire life viewing American power as a flaw, not a benefit. So, putting him in charge of such power is like putting PETA in charge of McDonald's. If you look back -- and I know, Bob, you're going to get angry about this, but when your president had a friend who planned to bomb a military officers' dance at Ft. Dix, you sure as hell can't trust him. Essentially, Gates was kept as a chaperone for the most awkward blind date ever. That blind date was between President Obama and our troops.

BECKEL: Who are you talking about? Who's --

GUTFELD: Bill Ayers.

BECKEL: He was going to bomb --

GUTFELD: He planned to bomb a military officers' dance at Ft. Dix.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Right.

GUTFELD: How can you trust somebody who hangs out with that?

GUILFOYLE: Well, you shouldn't because that goes to his core ideology and who he surrounds himself. An old phrase, OK, birds of a feather flock together.

GUTFELD: I have never heard that.

GUILFOYLE: But it's true. Who you associate yourself when, who you agree with, who are you like-minded with? The military would do well at that point to distrust him, and he had distrust of anybody at the command level or higher. That is not a vote of confidence.

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BECKEL: Didn't he get Gates to stay on?

GUILFOYLE: That was a necessary evil, in that sense for him.

BOLLING: You're making a very important here. Not only did he ask Gates to stay on. Remember when President Obama said he was going to do things, like close Gitmo. He's also going to change the way we fight the war on terror. He was going to change the whole intel process once he got in office.

BECKEL: I wish he had.

BOLLING: No, he got in office, he realized, hey, he can't change it.
He better keep the infrastructure that George Bush put into place, or we're going to open ourselves up to huge risks.

GUTFELD: The other issue, too, is --

GUILFOYLE: Necessity.

GUTFELD: -- President Obama really would prefer to spend most of his time remaking the domestic agenda. That's what he wanted to do. So, in a way, the military is kind of like a chore you have to do when you'd rather play football or watch football.

So, this is kind of, oh, that's why you see that kind of like, obligation that he has. But I do agree with Bob. It's OK to worry about these missions. It's when the worry hinders your ability to articulate your goals or galvanize troops. Obama can certainly rally students, but he can't rally soldiers.

TANTAROS: You know, he did ask Gates to stay on, who was in the Bush administration. But Robert Gates also told Sean Hannity, there were some uncomfortable situations in the room when Obama's team began to mock his predecessor. Listen to this.

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GATES: Admiral Mullen and I used to joke, particularly in the first months of the Obama administration, when kind of every meeting in the Situation Room, everybody would trash the Bush administration and everything, about that team.

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: Talked about that a lot, acting (ph) you're not there.

GATES: The Bush team you -- know, what a bunch of bums the Bush team were and everything. And we're sitting there thinking, what, are we invisible? We were integral members of that team.

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TANTAROS: Well, for being a bunch of bums, Bob, the administration continued with a lot of President Bush's procedures and protocol.

BECKEL: Yes, they did and I'm sorry they did, but that's just one voice. But this was not this was inexcusable, to sort of dump on Bush in front of those two. That was -- somebody had a lack of judgment on that.

GUILFOYLE: Well, what about arrogance?

BECKEL: Well, you could call it, but I'm saying, it's just a matter of course. You don't have two people in the room who are an integral part of the last team and dump on them.

GUILFOYLE: No class.

BECKEL: It's insulting in many ways. So, I'm sorry to hear that. I assume, I'll take Gates at his word that that's what happened.

And the other thing about war, I don't know any president who likes war. Who likes war? Every one who has been a war president wished it was over.

TANTAROS: Maybe -- let me rephrase -- maybe needing war as a necessity to get things done instead of sitting back, and I don't know, letting the terrorists rule the world.

Eric, should Gates have spoken up? Should he have said something?

I mean, let me play devil's advocate. He's out here, he but out the book, but as I understand it, he never stopped and spoke up, and said, you know what, I don't want this. He's supposedly offered his resignation, the president asked him to stay. I see a lot of infighting. But in the book, I read it, I don't see of goals or strategies that he laid out on how to win.

BOLLING: You mean Gates himself?

TANTAROS: Yes.

BOLLING: Well, again, I said this yesterday, people were upset with me for saying this, but the guy was like -- he's command -- look, he's secretary of defense. He was the top defender of the country, right?

He acted the way he would probably want everyone up and down the chain of command would act. You don't question your superior, you don't call them out. You wait until you're done.

My question is the timing of it. Could he have waited longer, until President Obama was out of office? I'm not sure.

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BECKEL: To follow on that logic, I'd be like somebody in the military today while the war is going on, a general, saying this was a lousy idea and it was -- I can't stand this other guy. I mean, it doesn't make sense.
I mean, why Gates did this now makes no sense to me.

TANTAROS: Well, to that point, there might not be people in the government saying that, but there's people in the media, Greg, and we talked about this yesterday, talking about war. Specifically a writer at Salon.com going after the movie "Lone Survivor." The lone survivor himself was on the "KELLY FILE" last night.

Here's what he had to say about that.

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MARCUS LUTTRELL, FORMER NAVY SEAL: Someone told me something about pro-war, and I sat and thought about it for a while. And I don't even know if that's -- I mean, is that a real term? Because there's nothing glorious about war. I mean, there's not. There's nothing glorious about holding your friends in your arms and watching them die. There's nothing glorious about having to leave your home for six to eight months while your family is back here and you're away.

Bottom line is that there's bad people everywhere, and every now and again, we're going to have to step to them to make sure that we preserve our way of life. And it's people like my teammates and I that have to do that, and the men and women in the military.

But there's nothing glorious about it. There's nothing pro-war. I mean, nobody wants war.

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TANTAROS: What do you think?

GUTFELD: Well, you know, no one goes to see a movie like "Lone Survivor" and thinks hooray for war. It's like going to see the "Titanic"
and saying, yay, icebergs.

I have never met a troop -- a soldier in my life who was pro-war.
They love their comrades, they love their country, and they usually detest battle. That's why it's called sacrifice.

BOLLING: Can I just point something out? We talked about last night, the left, there are some liberal bloggers who are calling it pro-war propaganda and it's really insulting.

Marcos Luttrell points out, you do your job. They go there -- they don't want to be there. They're doing it because they have a patriotic duty. They're fulfilling that duty, and it really, really is insulting --

GUILFOYLE: Yes, because they love this country.

BOLLING: -- to say that this stuff is pro-war propaganda.

BECKEL: By the way, you all saying this is what we said last night, was that because you missed me? You had to fill me in on what happened yesterday?

TANTAROS: We did. We also want to fill you in on this. We didn't talk about this yesterday.

Kimberly, a Senate intelligence committee released a report completely contradicting what the "New York Times" said about Benghazi.

Listen to these three revelations. One, they said al Qaeda was involved in the Benghazi attacks. Two, they said that these attacks were preventable based on all the warning signs that this administration didn't heed. And three, they pointed out the failure that President Obama has still yet to bring these attackers to justice.

I think this is a pretty big deal.

GUILFOYLE: It's a damning report, and I'm glad it came out. This is, again, what we had been saying from the beginning. Even the doubters at the table now see that these are the facts, the evidence, that it was A.Q.- related and involved.

BECKEL: Excuse me.

GUILFOYLE: And there was an abject failure of leadership by the State Department, and that's going to tie in to Hillary Clinton's problem for 2016.

BECKEL: Excuse me, I was the first to call it a terrorist act, if you remember, right?

GUTFELD: That's true.

BOLLING: You didn't tie it to al Qaeda.

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BECKEL: I don't tie it to al Qaeda. It's a generic al Qaeda.

GUILFOYLE: But the intelligence committee has erroneous information that came out with the report?

BECKEL: Yes, if they call it al Qaeda, it's a generic term.

TANTAROS: Bob, al Qaeda isn't al Qaeda like it used to be a decade ago. Anybody can be radicalized. The cells have morphed.

BECKEL: Anybody can use their name.

TANTAROS: They have spread into Northern Africa, Greg. This is totally different from what not adjust the administration but the "New York Times" has been saying.

GUTFELD: You know, one part of the report that is really interesting is they point to a lack of concern post-attack. That is a direct consequence of the video lie. By pushing the video, you shifted the mission from capture to condemnation. That's the big sin.

BECKEL: Who makes a video? That's what I want to know.

GUTFELD: Who pushed the video?

BECKEL: Who pushed the video?

GUTFELD: Well, obviously, the White House.

BOLLING: We just need to point out, though, that was an extensive "New York Times" piece where everything is refuted now. Just about the whole -- everything they put out on that piece is completely wrong.

TANTAROS: Are you surprised?

BECKEL: You take a bunch of politicians who's trying to cover their asses --

BOLLING: Here's the problem --

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BOLLING: What's that?

BECKEL: Who in that committee is going to say anything but damning al Qaeda?

BOLLING: So, now, the committee knows less than the "New York Times"?

BECKEL: No, I'm saying they probably know as much or more, but they
don't get on the side --

BOLLING: General Ham, who was there, at the heartbeat of all this, went and while it was happening life was the one testifying here. I would take his word more than I would take the word of some writer at the "New York Times."

TANTAROS: That's right. And we said all of these things right here, as well.

All right. We've got a lot more for you ahead on "The Five". Next, a new manifesto from the mastermind of 9/11 makes its way outside of Gitmo.
So, should the media be publishing jihadi propaganda from KSM. That's up next.

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GUILFOYLE: The cold-blooded killer who masterminded the 9/11 attack should never be heard from again. But Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has managed to spew more of his jihad propaganda at his prison cell at Gitmo. Some media outlets have chosen to publish a 36-page manifesto in which Mohammed actually suggests, among other things, that Muslims now shouldn't use violence to spread Islam. But no one should buy his bull, according to Andrew McCarthy, who prosecuted the 1993 World Trade Center bomber.

McCarthy is warning what could happen when messages from terrorists like this one get out.

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ANDREW MCCARTHY, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR: This is a guy who is getting his messages out, who is getting his propaganda out. We had the guy I prosecuted, the blind sheikh. Bin Laden credited him with issuing the fatwa that approved the 9/11 attacks from his American prison cell.
Saeed Nasser (ph), the guy who killed Meyer Khahani (ph) in 1990, plotted the 1993 World Trade Center attack from his prison cell in Attica. And we had the 1993 World Trade Center bombers corresponding with jihadists in Madrid who were implicated in 9/11 and the Madrid attacks there. So, don't start telling me how competent these guys are who are watching what goes out of these institutions.

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GUILFOYLE: He's right, these messages, instructions, things can be sent out. Words of warning to heed?

BOLLING: Yes. So, here's the deal, this is a 36-page document, but part of the problem is one of three documents.

He's going to write two more parts. Part one, he deals with his religious beliefs, why Muslim people should invite people to Islam. I'm thinking 747s into buildings isn't very invitational. Part two, he talks about whether the war on terror was actually self-defense on their part, and part three is going to be -- whether the war on terror, whether there should be a war on terror, the United States fighting with them.

Very dangerous. I lost friends in those buildings. I think this guy should be locked up. The key should be thrown away. There should be no information coming in or out. He should be in seclusion, without being able to talk to other prisoners in Gitmo, let alone writing his 36-page prophecy.

GUILFOYLE: These are opportunities for them to further radicalize, get people involved, then you get out of Gitmo, you go over to Yemen, the Star Wars bar scene, recruit more jihadists, and there you go, another terrorist plot.

Greg?

GUTFELD: You seem to miss the whole point of this. He just got a job as a columnist with "The New York Times".

BOLLING: Nice.

GUTFELD: Terror as a response to American hegemony, that's the word, is, of course, a common belief among most of the European media. So, it's no surprise. I have a great idea, though. Our government should start creating and leaking fake manifestos. They should have gotten ahead of this and released a KSM manifesto which it comes out as gay, and says all terrorists should stop being homophobes and that their religion is really a big waste of time.

TANTAROS: They'd kill him. They would try to kill him.

GUTFELD: Look, if this could go out, why can't we come up with our own? There's no way you can not prove it.

GUILFOYLE: Why don't you start?

GUTFELD: I did.

By the way, rule of thumb, normal people never, ever write manifestoes.

BECKEL: You're the one who told me this was a matter of public record? What's the big deal? It's going to be published. Who are we kidding here?

GUTFELD: Yes, I guess it should be who cares? Why report on a manifesto, which just encourages more crack pot?

BOLLING: Why do we need his 36-page manifesto? Does anyone question whether or not he was the mastermind behind 9/11? How about leaving this locked and sealed, and not bring it into court?

TANTAROS: A couple of questions, why is the media, like "The Huffington Post" and others publishing the manifesto in its entirety. That not exactly responsible.

Look, I mean, he's a newsworthy figure.

GUTFELD: The best columnist, though.

TANTAROS: Yes. And they probably see eye to eye on some things.

Look, they published the entire thing. They could just publish some quotes. They could put it in context. They didn't have to do the service of publishing it.

I -- also, look, I don't like that we do him the service of pushing out all of his mail, but we censor all of the mail. He knows that. He's a smart man, but he's an egomaniac. And my hunch is this administration didn't want to appear like they were censoring his mail. But at the same time, they have no problem censoring that filmmaker and throwing the filmmaker in jail who made this mysterious Benghazi excuse.

BECKEL: Can I get back to the point here? It's not a question of them -- whose side are they on. It was a matter of public record. I mean, it's not something they did. It was a matter of public record, a court filing.

So, what's -- why in the world can you argue with that? And blame the Obama administration for it? If anything, if you don't think that's right, blame the guys in the military not doing a good job.

TANTAROS: When he writes the letter and puts it in the post office box, it gets censored by folks at Gitmo. Andy McCarthy was saying why does he get to send letters out? Why did he get to have a stamp and send these letters so he can radicalize across the world?

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GUILFOYLE: Anybody in the media will tell you that that's a problem.

BECKEL: It's probably not a good idea if it's not a matter of public matter and part of a legal brief. That's the difference here.

BOLLING: So leave it out. Leave it out of the court case. Leave his manifesto.

BECKEL: Tell that to the generals at Gitmo.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Hold on. I want to play this quick because I think it's important. Deborah Burlingame on what the manifesto is. I think it sums it up perfectly. This is with Megyn Kelly last night.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a very smart guy, and what he's doing is he's communicating with his fellow jihadists all over the world. This is a gold mine of propaganda coming from the rock star of 9/11, right out from his jail cell. That's how stupid the infidels are in letting this get out.

And his attorneys, I have to say, shame on you, Major Derrick Poteet (ph), a marine, an active duty marine. You are a disgrace to your uniform for participating in this.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: Who is that woman?

GUIFOYLE: That sums it up, Bob.

Coming up, big night tonight. "Duck Dynasty" returns. The Robertsons are back. And we've got a sneak peek at season five for you. So, stick around.

Plus, new information on the controversy surrounding one of the biggest songs of the year. The "Blurred Lines" low down ahead on "The Five".

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GUTFELD: All right. According to something called the index of economic freedom, after seven years of decline, seven, America has dropped out of the top ten most economically free countries. We're now the dumb kids in class, the fat, stoned, lazy, gum-smacking turd who spends more time texting that thinking.

So, as we lose steam, did higher taxes, regulation and debt, other countries are moving up. The most improved Eastern European stars like Estonia, Lithuania, and the Czech Republic -- Bob loves those places -- and it's no secret why. They're running from something, their past, having endures communist hell. That explains their sprint toward the free market, as we race from it.

It reminds you of the scene from my favorite movie, the original "Poseidon Adventure", when our heroes are seeking one path of escape from the capsized ship as another group confidently heads in the wrong direction and crooks. We're that group, going where they have been, a dead end.

Why isn't the White House worried? It's pretty simple. Our president took the job to manage this decline, as a way to usher in the always elusive utopian dream.

See, where conservatives see room for improvement, the left sees imperfections that must be accelerated. For them, progress requires doom, because after all, their better way is just off in the distance. And you might see it, if you look backward and squint. It's where the bodies are stacked high.

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GUTFELD: I love the sigh after my monologue.

BECKEL: That was just absolutely ridiculous.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

BECKEL: First of all, you're citing a right wing think tank, the American enterprise, the heritage foundation, of all people to be citing as a source. In the back pockets of the Republican Party, right wing, Tea Party people?

GUTFELD: Do you think the list of the top ten in economic freedom is unrealistic?

BECKEL: Absolutely.

GUTFELD: Hong Kong number one, Singapore. It's pretty obvious they are.

BECKEL: Hong Kong is part of a communist country.

GUTFELD: I know, pretty weird, huh? But they're left alone by China.
Then Singapore, Australia.

BECKEL: I had you stumbled on that one, didn't I?

GUTFELD: Yes, almost did. Almost did.

All right, Andrea.

TANTAROS: What's the saying about the blind squirrel? Just kidding.

I do trust this poll. I believe this poll. You know, the countries that you mentioned, also the thing that separates them from us is they actually know their history and they study their history, and they study ours and what we're doing here. And it was also not too long ago that they were suffering at the hands of socialism and communism.

I think the biggest thing that hurts this country is we don't teach history. If you ask most people, they don't know why we left England.
They don't even know why some guy in Boston had his head blown off because he tried to secretly raise the tax on tea. Most people don't know that.

Now, we have all these lawmakers doing whatever they want, nobody checks them, there's no responsibility. If we don't know why we got here, if we don't know why we fought and died, how are we going to fight for it?

GUTFELD: Yes, it's good point.

Eric, you know, the Gallup poll, 21 percent of Americans, that's the largest number identified government as it biggest problem facing the nation. Turns out they're right, because we're falling behind.

BOLLING: Can I stay in the heritage thing for a second? Bob, they took taxes and regulation, specifically regulation, and said where is it most friendly and least friendly to do business on the globe? We used to be -- when President Obama took office in 2009, we were number six. We slid every single year, and now we're number 12.

BECKEL: That's according to them.

BOLLING: According to them.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Just think about this for one second. Do you remember what President Obama just before he was elected? He said, if you want to do business in America, as a coal power plant, we will necessarily bankrupt you. That's about as anti-business as you could possibly get.

GUILFOYLE: Anti-American.

BOLLING: His solution over the next five years, cap and trade. It failed. So, what did he do? He put balls in the eta and is making it an unfriendly business environment.

BECKEL: He said that, if you have a coal fire plant, we're going to bankrupt you?

BOLLING: We're going to necessarily bankrupt you.

BECKEL: Yes, I must have missed that.

GUILFOYLE: If it's not anti-business, anti-American. You're going to try to kill business economy in the U.S. to serve and further your own political goals and green agenda. It's shameful.

That's not the principles the country was founded on. And now, you have seen the poll numbers reflect the growing dissatisfaction at an alarming rate that Americans feel on the direction the country is going in
-- overregulated, overrated, overtaxed, listening in on phone messages, taxes, whatever it is -- it's all government overreach.

And we're not getting more for our money on this. This is something where the economy is actually suffering. Free market is actually being crippled and given a pair of cement boots.

BOLLING: Let me just use a little bit of my -- let me assume for a moment that this right-wing operation is right. That means one in five Americans think government is the problem, or whatever they call that.
That's 21 percent, which is about two points less than the Republicans in the country, which I think their lowest ever at 23 percent or 24 percent.

So, that means some Republicans didn't list government as a problem.

GUTFELD: So, that's actually a good point, Bob.

BECKEL: Thank you.

GUTFELD: Can I just -- I want to throw to this little SOT of President Obama, show you how concerned he is over this? Go ahead.

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TANTAROS: Guns N' Roses "Patience"?

GUTFELD: I think it was. I don't like whistling. It has nothing to do with President Obama.

I don't understand the purpose. Why do you whistle?

TANTAROS: Nerves.

GUTFELD: Whistling is like -- to let people know you're in a room.
Like or you're --

BECKEL: You're looking at women.

GUTFELD: When you're walking down an alley, you want people to know you're there. It's like a safety mechanism.

We got to roll. They're telling me to shut up with my theories.

GUILFOYLE: The whistler over here.

GUTFELD: Coming up, Howard Stern is apparently not the only one watching "The Five". Jon Stewart has his eye on our show as well and we'll tell you what we think about what he did, which was kind of awesome, coming up.

Directly ahead, "Duck Dynasty" and "American Idol" return tonight.
We've got a sneak peek at what the Robertson clan has in store for season five. Can you call them a family? I don't know.

And season 13, a shake-up with the "Idol" crew, next on "The Five".

GUILFOYLE: I love it. J. Lo is back.

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BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.

Big night on TV. Two night, couple of highly anticipated season premieres. On FOX, "American Idol" season lucky 13 kicks off with J. Lo --

GUILFOYLE: Yes!

BOLLING: -- Keith Urban, and newest judge, Harry Connick Jr., and my man Ryan Seacrest hosting, of course. And the big fresh off the biggest TV controversy of 2013, "Duck Dynasty" season five featuring duck dad Phil Robertson at the helm.

Tonight, Willie and Korie welcome the newest cast member to the Robertson dinner table, Rebecca Robertson. Spoiler alert, here's a clip.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rebecca has been in the wrong L.A., you know, Los Angeles.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, it's changed a lot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What's new?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got a new gas station with a drive-thru. John Luke.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And hopefully that hasn't changed her too much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You figured everything out about fashion?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I (INAUDIBLE) -- are you listening?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Apparently, it's harder to travel home with five bags for a two-day visit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Use your legs, son. Use your legs.

UNIDENTIFEID MALE: Something's not adding up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How many bags did you bring?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Good stuff. K.G., your thoughts?

GUILFOYLE: I love them, I think they're fun, great people. We have been lucky enough to have them here at FOX, and New Year's and stuff they were here for us. I'm excited to watch them tonight. It's a good show. I love all the suitcases --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: It's their daughter. What's wrong with you?

GUILFOYLE: It's normal, bob.

BECKEL: It says if we break our old record, I'm sending the whole FIVE a gift.

BOLLING: That's from Willie Robertson.

BECKEL: That's his daughter?

BOLLING: That's his daughter.

BECKEL: Good looking daughter.

BOLLING: "Duck Dynasty"?

TANTAROS: I don't watch the show. It's nothing against "Duck Dynasty." I love Willie. I met him. I just haven't watched the show.

GUILFOYLE: But I think you could do it.

TANTAROS: I love reality television. I love Bravo. I love "Top Chef. I love "The Real Housewives". I'm a sucker, and I love the bachelor. I just haven't gotten my remote to the "Duck Dynasty."

GUILFOYLE: They had good food, minus the beaver in the kitchen sink.
That was a little disturbing. Crazy beaver teeth, too.

BOLLING: You can follow that?

TANTAROS: Greg, you watch "Duck Dynasty"?

GUTFELD: I have to say, I don't watch it. I'm interested in the effect in the entertainment industry these shows have because they eschew all of the liberal bull crap in the other shows and it's nothing relevant to the lives of the people who put the shows out, and it's no longer a novelty. It reflects some values that people hold around the country, and I like the beards. I think the beards are great because they're not ironic beards, the kind you see on waiters in Brooklyn.

BOLLING: Or, Jay Carney.

TANTAROS: Or press secretary.

GUILFOYLE: (INAUDIBLE) at Golden Globe.

BOLLING: Check out "American Idol" judge J. Lo after a year off. J.
Lo, looking great. Gave Jay Leno a preview of the upcoming season.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAY LENO, TV HOST: You left. What made you come back?

JENNIFER LOPEZ, "AMERICAN IDOL" JUDGE: You know, I just love the show. I really did. It wasn't an easy thing for me to come back with everything I have going on. I have a spot in my schedule, and with the kids and everything else, I was like, I don't know if I can take it on.
But to be honest, I just love it.

LENO: So, now, you're with Keith Urban and Harry Connick, who is terrific.

LOPEZ: Yes, they're amazing. You guys are going to love -- you know Keith already on the show, but you're going to love Harry. It's great, the three kind of points of view you get from me and the two of them.

LENO: Plus, he won't be stealing your clothes by Steven Tyler.

LOPEZ: Right.

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: So, Bob, you're going to be watching.

GUILFOYLE: I love it.

BECKEL: Now I am, for sure. What a good looking woman. Isn't she a good looking woman? Amazing, and she's Puerto Rican?

GUILFOYLE: Correct, from another mother.

BOLLING: Harry Connick Jr., a fan?

GUTFELD: I think he's a decent guy. I hate "American Idol" because it encourages singing and convincing people they might have a voice when they don't. There's a lesson. Just because no one has told you you can't sing doesn't mean you can sing. Your friends should tell you that you can't sing.

If no one has told you you can't sing, then you don't have friends.

GUILFOYLE: Then we won't have any funny clips.

BOLLING: That's 100 percent right. The best part of "American Idol"
is the auditions.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: I predict great ratings for this. They have awesome chemistry if you have seen the clips. Fun, I'm in.

TANTAROS: I do catch the beginning and I catch the end of "Idol." I also like "America's Got Talent" and "The Voice." But I have to dime Greg out -- Greg sings every single day at like 10 minutes before 6:00. He sings and he says, what am I going to eat? Maybe Chinese food, I don't know.

BECKEL: By the way, you dumped on "American Idol." Who signs your paycheck?

BOLLING: Not them.

GUTFELD: I don't know, I don't care.

GUILFOYLE: People don't know this, but Andrea can sing. Andrea has a great voice.

TANTAROS: I'm a dancer. I danced for 12 years competitively, I cannot sing, believe me. Cats would cry.

BOLLING: We've got to go. They're yelling at me.

Controversial new show takes us inside the world of extreme youth football. Some parents and even the NFL is expressing concern that coaches may be pushing pee-wee players a little too hard. Watch this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You stop. You stop right here! Don't stop. Go with it!

Put your arms around him, put him on the ground. Do you understand?

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GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

BOLLING: Not laughing at that.

GUILFOYLE: No.

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BECKEL: Why don't they take those Christmas lights down, man?

GUILFOYLE: Bah, humbug.

BECKEL: Welcome back. How extreme is too extreme when comes to pushing and motivating our kids? A controversial new show called "Friday Night Kicks," which is testing those boundaries, and it is only -- not only the parents that are concerned. NFL is, too.

The docuseries takes us inside the Texas Youth Football League for players between the ages of 4 and 13. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can do this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's hard.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know it's hard. But it's going to make you stronger. If you quit, you're not going to get stronger.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You stop! You stop right here! Don't stop, use your weight. Go with it! I don't care how much pain you're in. You don't quit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's go. Hurry up. Let's go!

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BECKEL: That is a disgrace. I don't know who that redneck is who's doing the coaching, but the son-of-a-bitch ought to be put in jail.

BOLLING: You want to go to me first?

BECKEL: Yes.

BOLLING: I don't have a problem with it.

BECKEL: What? Four-year-old kids being treated like this.

BOLLING: Let me tell you...

BECKEL: Only in Texas could something like that happen.

BOLLING: I know I'm going to get them saying, you say, "Oh, would you want your kid treated that way?" Yes, I do. They're not hurting them.
They're not hitting them. They're not doing anything -- they're not stunting...

GUILFOYLE: That's emotionally abusive. That's what that is.

BOLLING: Come on! Can I just tell you something? You want success or you want wussies? The best -- the best football in the country comes out of Texas and Florida. I bet you Florida has something just like that.

GUILFOYLE: They're not all players from Texas, Eric. They recruit from all over the country. Everybody who plays for Texas or one of the schools there isn't from Texas.

BOLLING: Fine, if they're doing it in Iowa, I'm all for it, too.
Fine. Don't hit the kid, but motivate him.

GUILFOYLE: I think it's way out of line. And I thought I would knock his you know what out.

BECKEL: By the way, were you guys just yelling at me for using the word "redneck"? OK. Well, I'm sorry if I used the word "redneck."
Anyway, he is a redneck. Go ahead.

TANTAROS: Now, that wasn't very nice, Bob. I do think this is a little harsh, but I mean, look, the parents have their kids playing football. A lot of these kids love it. What's the message? Don't quit.
There's a lot of terrific messages in football.

I know they're serious about it down in Texas, but football is a tough sport. You've played it. Nick Saban does not sit in the locker rooms and go, "Excuse me, everybody. If you could just score in the next quarter, that would be great, guys. That would be amazing."

It is tough. And it's a team sport, and there's wonderful, wonderful things that come out of football. But there seems to be a war on football in this country.

BECKEL: Nick Saban does this with 20-year-old kids. This is a 4- year-old kid.

GUILFOYLE: A 4-year-old.

TANTAROS: OK.

BOLLING: Look how good they are. Look at the video.

BECKEL: Yes, look how good they are.

TANTAROS: It's a little harsh, OK, but they're not dying.

GUTFELD: You know, I think it's disgraceful. I think they should be enrolled in schools for male modeling. It's far more tasteful.

Look, here's the thing. You've got to consider the alternative. Last week, there was a tape floating around of a 2-year-old kid in diapers sitting amongst gang leaders while a 16-year-old mother was sitting in the other room.

I like the fact that when kids have parents and that parents have an interest in their kids' lives.

This may look rough, but this might be out of context, too. You're showing the -- you're showing the worst parts. You're not showing the joy or the pleasure. That's why I hate these shows, because I often think that they focus on things.

And then putting it on Texas, Bob, there's so many -- the freak in Ohio that killed all those people, that was in Cincinnati. That wasn't in Texas. The guy that aborted all those kids that were alive, that was in Philadelphia. That wasn't in...

TANTAROS: No, no, no.

BECKEL: The reason I'm saying that is I lived in Texas, and I know that they're addicted to Friday night football and youth football.

TANTAROS: A lot of people love their football. They love it in western Pennsylvania, too.

BECKEL: ... but at the age of 4, being yelled at by that mother and being pushed around by that bully (ph)?

TANTAROS: You've never been yelled at by a football coach?

BECKEL: Yes, but I was older. I wasn't 4 years old.

TANTAROS: So what? They're teaching them to be tough.

BECKEL: I would have been a serial killer if they did that to me.

TANTAROS: They're teaching them how to win. And win. What's wrong with winning?

GUILFOYLE: And people are outraged that children, like little girl JonBenet beauty pageants.

BOLLING: It's better, all the kids who are sitting here when their parents are out on the street doing who knows what, and they're sitting in the apartment, unattended?

BECKEL: That's apples and oranges.

GUILFOYLE: I think it's great they're playing a sport. The parents are involved.

BECKEL: This is an organized -- this is an organized football league, which is what's the problem with it. I hope the NFL or somebody does something about it.

"One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you, Bob.

BECKEL: You're welcome.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

TANTAROS: Bob is so disgusting?

GUILFOYLE: He really is.

TANTAROS: It's time for "One More Thing." Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: So gross.

OK. Let's talk about a new story that came up here. Marvin Gaye's children settled with Sony Records over Robin Thicke's song, "Blurred Lines." The allegation is that it was picked off, basically copied, by Robin Thicke, and that he collaborated with T.I. and Pharrell on it. It's up for a ton of awards on the January 26 Grammys.

So they settled, but they're still suing. The family of Marvin Gaye is suing Robin Thicke personally. We'll see where that goes. But they got some cash, so the case was dismissed against Sony.

TANTAROS: A lot of twerking money. Eric.

BOLLING: Yesterday, I told you how Howard Stern said "The Five" was his favorite television show. Last night, apparently he has company. Jon Stewart and -- Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, "The Colbert Report," used "The Five" as part of their monologues, as part of their -- a couple of their blocks. So we want to welcome Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert to "The Five" bandwagon along with Howard Stern. Anyone else want to join on? We have plenty of room for you, too.

BECKEL: Absolutely.

GUILFOYLE: There will be a response. They talk about us a lot.

TANTAROS: Yes.

All right, Greg.

GUTFELD: Speaking of yesterday on "The Daily Show," Dana isn't here, so we're going to do -- I think we'll do a monologue on it tomorrow, because she should be here. She's on jury duty, so she can't enjoy this.

Samantha B., an amazing performer on -- on "The Daily Show," did an unbelievable interpretation of "The Five." Since Dana is not here, let's just show a little piece of it, and there you go.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JON STEWART, HOST, COMEDY CENTRAL'S "THE DAILY SHOW": In 2011, FOX News premiered a novel new show, "The Five." It was a panel show at 5 with five pundits whose opinions ranged from Wall Street conservative to 50- year-old frat boy conservative to George W. Bush conservative to conservative to FOX liberal.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: So basically, he's making -- he's addressing our political ideologies, as if "The Daily Show' has -- is a shining example of political diversity. But still, you've got to stick it -- stick around for tomorrow.
I thought it was amazing.

BOLLING: It's hilarious.

GUTFELD: It's probably the funniest thing I've seen.

TANTAROS: Really, really good. Ripped her heart out.

GUTFELD: Dana sent her flowers.

TANTAROS: That was nice. Robert.

BECKEL: OK, this day in history, 40 years ago on this day, "Happy Days" premiered on television and brought us the Fonz. Take a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(MUSIC)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: You know the amazing thing about this? They did this whole show with one camera. Amazing. OK.

BOLLING: Is that true?

BECKEL: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, I loved that show. I loved the "Love Boat." That's very nice, too.

TANTAROS: And "Three's Company." Let's just go down memory lane of '80s television.

OK. This is a really sweet story. It talks about the bond of sisters.

Listen to this, a Colorado biathlete has given up her spot on the U.S.
Olympic team so that her twin sister can go to Sochi instead. Now Tracy Barnes qualified over the weekend just ahead of her sister, Lanny Barnes, but the team said that Lanny was sick and she was only able to compete in one of the final four qualifying races in Italy.

So she said, "In honor of our friendship, cooperation, and sacrifice, I decline my spot on the team for my sister."

And as a sister, I just -- I loved this story. I think it's so sweet.

BECKEL: It's in Sochi, where there's going to be a lot of -- right near Chernobyl. Sorry.

TANTAROS: Robert, are you going to go to Sochi?

BECKEL: I wouldn't go to Sochi if it was the last place on earth unless it was -- well, maybe.

TANTAROS: All right. Don't forget to set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you right back here tomorrow.

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