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'Duck Dynasty' drama ignites free speech debate

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 20, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5:00 in New York City. And this is "The Five."

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GUILFOYLE: The firestorm over "Duck Dynasty's" star Phil Robertson gay comments continue today. A&E may be fine walking away from Phil but the Robertson family made clear they are sticking by him.

In a statement, the family said, quote, "We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right. We can imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of `Duck Dynasty'."

Now, interestingly, the gay community has been split in their reaction. Here is GLAAD reacting last night on "THE KELLY FILE."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not a free speech issue. What the defenders of Phil Robertson are seeking is freedom from consequence. None of us are entitled to that. If right now I were to say something to you completely outlandish, GLAAD would never allow me back on your air again.
If you were to give a press interview with "G.Q.", and we were to say something outlandish, FOX News might have to put you on indefinite hiatus.
We are -- we all have to answer to our employer.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: But openly gay feminist, Professor Camille Paglia, who is a liberal, slammed the backlash, saying the legacy of free speech is all but dead.

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CAMILLE PAGLIA, PROFESSOR: This is the level, OK, of punitive PC, utterly fascist, utterly Stalinist, OK, that my liberal colleagues in the Democratic Party and on college campuses have supported and promoted over the last several decades. This is what -- the whole legacy of the free speech 1960s has been lost by my own party.

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GUILFOYLE: OK. So, Greg, you have been sending e-mails, things about Camille Paglia. You like her. You like her viewpoints.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: She's a renegade thinker.

Can we put -- the interesting thing that GLAAD guy said is we all answer to our employers. What he leaves out is the employer is terrified of GLAAD. It's all about suppressive tolerance. They are scared of what GLAAD might do to them.

You know who's really offended over this? Radical Islam. They look at Robertson, they say, you call that hateful? We kill gays.

But punishing Robertson for a religious belief or a part of a religious belief, which is actually the integral success of the show, is the fact they're very religious, is like grounding a member of "Glee" for singing. It makes no sense.

A&E are -- they're in their rights to do it, but they're hypocritical for doing it, because they know this is part of the success of the show and they're sitting with, what, 30, 40 hours for a marathon of shows that they're going to do. That's millions of dollars in advertising. I don't think they're going to be donating it to AIDS charities, are they?

GUILFOYLE: Eric?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I think what's going to end up happening is that marathon is going to rate through the roof and they're going to go, wow what did we do?

GUTFELD: Exactly.

BOLLING: Also saying, "What did we do?" in a good way, because now everyone's tuning in to A&E, finding out what's going on. Meanwhile, those episode, in fact, going forward, there's some episodes with Phil Robertson that are -- what's called in the can, they're going to continue to air.

Going forward, I have a hunch -- look, again, don't -- I got destroyed on Facebook last night because I said, yes, Phil has a right to say what he said. Yes, A&E has a right to pull Phil off the air, and, yes, you viewers have the right to say, I'm not going to take it, I'm changing the channel.

Well, guess what? That's the free market. That's the Constitution.

I'm as Catholic as they come and as Christian as they come. You don't have a right to tell me I'm not Christian. But I will tell you, everyone, I believe, is in the right, right now and A&E will walk this back before Phil ever misses an episode.

GUILFOYLE: So, was this a complete mishap in term of the communications from A&E how they handled this? Because it doesn't seem like it's going to work out well for them in the end. And I wouldn't be surprised if the family went and walked to another network.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: So, I was without an Internet signal for quite a while yesterday, for hours. And then I --

GUILFOYLE: Cry (ph)?

PERINO: I was going to say out of pocket, but it's hard when Greg is standing here because that's a banned phrase.

BOLLING: He banned, yes.

GUTFELD: Yes, but she literally can be out of a pocket.

PERINO: And in a pocket.

GUILFOYLE: That's what I thought.

PERINO: So, I finally get a signal, I'm looking at my e-mail, start looking at Twitter and I think, wow, America has lost its collective mind.

Here's a question I have about the A&E thing. When you do an interview like this, you have to make a couple of choices. When you are dealing with a conservative and a religious person, it is different than dealing with somebody like Leonardo DiCaprio who's going to be a -- who is a superstar already. You have to think twice before you go and do something with -- an interview with a magazine that -- you don't need to do an interview with them.

A&E had to have done this interview a while ago. Phil Robertson had to do the interview a while ago. A&E knew about this for three months.
And they don't do anything to get ahead of it beforehand.

It makes me wonder if A&E dropped the ball on purpose --

GUTFELD: Exactly.

PERINO: -- in order to get people to watch the marathon that's coming up at the end of the month.

GUTFELD: Right, it's perfect.

PERINO: And I'll tell you another thing, the young PR people that are sitting there monitoring the interview probably on their BlackBerrys or their iPhones, the whole time texting with their friends while their client Phil Robertson is doing the interview probably didn't even notice it.

And so, now, they've created a huge firestorm. Americans are at each other's throats. We should be realizing all the blessings we have in America and let this thing go.

GUILFOYLE: All right, I go to my left, literally.

BOB BECKEL; CO-HOST: Last, literally, yes, right.

I'll tell you what I found most interesting was what the family said.
"We cannot imagine moving forward without our patriarch."

Now, if I'm A&E, I would be scared to death of that language. They say we're in negotiations with A&E. If they're going to stick to what they say and they're not going to go forward without Phil, then I got to assume there's going to be other networks that are going to want to pick them up.

What he said --

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GUILFOYLE: That's what you do, take the (INAUDIBLE) opportunity?

BECKEL: Sure, but what he said was outlandish in the gay community and I understand that and I appreciate it. He should have been more cautious about what he was saying. He wasn't. You're right, the PR people should have picked it up.

But A&E still has the right not to put it on. But A&E I think is going to dig themselves in a hole and they're going to lose a show that is a dynamo show and getting a lot of an audience.

BOLLING: You know, the interesting part is that advertisers are so -- they're so tuned in to "Duck Dynasty." They're not going to leave "Duck Dynasty."

The only way it falls apart for A&E is if the crew decides they don't want to do it anymore. They're probably under contract and either have to do it or not be on TV for a certain period of time. But that's how A&E will lose.

These advertisers are going to go with "Duck Dynasty" no matter where they go or if they stay. So, it may be a really, really smart move on their part, knowing they're not going to lose any advertising revenue because no one's going to go anywhere because advertisers are -- I don't know, they don't want to leave "Duck Dynasty." So smart, though, continue to get the ad revenues.

Question is, will the duck fellas play?

PERINO: The "Duck Dynasty" people, one of the things that's so appealing about their show is their entrepreneurial spirit, and how they took this idea for a duck call and turn it into this mega empire for duck calls and then it turned to a media empire as well.

I do wonder one thing. You know, you heard --

GUILFOYLE: And now, retail --

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PERINO: -- companies that grow too fast and they forget who their customer is and try to sell too much things and there has to be a regrouping. I think that actually happened with the "Duck Dynasty"
dynasty, the media empire, I think they forgot and got a little bit ahead of their skis in doing an interview with "G.Q." What conservative has ever done an interview with "G.Q." and it's turned out well.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: Where? Please show me, when that has happened?

GUILFOYLE: It's like "Vanity Fair." No way. Don't do it.

PERINO: They should have just sent the Q&A to Phil Robertson's people and said, can you send us your five best grooming tips and we want to include it in our December issue. He's not even in the cover. It wasn't supposed to be about him.

GUTFELD: You know, this outrage is based on Robertson's -- some of it was crude who knows? -- saying that gays are sinners. Gays should not feel special over that. If you are friends with religious people, everybody's a sinner. Everybody's a sinner. So I don't think you should be too insulted about being called a sinner.

But the other thing about this, it drives me nuts, is words do not wound. There's no linkage to Robertson's beliefs to violent action.
That's why I brought up radical Islam in the beginning.

They're -- they follow up their words with beheadings. All Robertson did was state his religious belief, but he didn't say I'm going to go out and cut off somebody's head. That's why -- that's why this trend of bullying, about how words hurt is so dangerous, because it's actually going to limit debate and the only way you can find truth, and sides can come and meet, is through debate.

BECKEL: OK, let me try to do one thing, correct a little bit of this religious views and the bible. A lot of what he said was not biblical.
Bestiality was not biblical. The comparison between female parts and male parts was not biblical.

GUTFELD: Yes, I --

BECKEL: And so, for people who have contacted me and others here saying we have lost track of our bible and what the bible says -- a lot of what he said was in the bible, a lot was not. So, let's not hang it all on the bible.

BOLLING: But let's also not -- let's not put too much on Phil. I mean, the guy's -- he's not a priest. He's not a pastor. He's a "Duck Dynasty" guy.

GUILFOYLE: A reality show.

BOLLING: Yes, it's a reality show.

BECKEL: He reads the bible on a regular basis.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: Here's the -- look, OK, so he maybe took things a little too far. His general I guess idea was he adheres to -- he believes in the bible. He follows Christian beliefs. That is something --

BECKEL: But you got to stick to the word. He ought to stick to the
word.

BOLLING: The question, if it was a gay man or woman who was condemning being straight, would A&E pull the plug on that show, too? I would think no.

GUILFOYLE: Well, this is --

BOLLING: The question is do activist groups hold too much power with the media.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I think they hold much sway with the media, with decisions and with thought police and about what's politically correct and what's appropriate. But also comes down to what are your rights.

There's some interesting thoughts from Karl Rove. Take a listen.

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KARL ROVE, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: He doesn't have a right, a First Amendment right, to have a TV show, but he does have a First Amendment right to have opinions. And his view that homosexuality is a sin is a religious tenet of many, many Americans. And we ought to respect people who believe that.

But his language was crude and offensive. And why he allowed himself to be drawn in to an interview by a magazine on this topic is beyond me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: I don't fault Phil Robertson for that, being led into an interview, because there are so many people that are surrounding them that should have more sense. They should hire some better people to be able to manage them, because they've got a wonderful show going.

You know, he gave an apology that possibly is sincere. You know, a lot of people that have personal experience and family and friends have a different viewpoint. It wasn't just that the gay community was offended, a lot of people were. He said he was apologetic for that.

I think that one of the things we can do in America is say, OK, he said it, there's been an apology, A&E has done what they're going to do.
The family said they're sticking by him. A&E doesn't get to choose who's part of the -- who's head of the family and who's not. They can't just cut out a family member that's the head of the whole show.

So, I have a feeling this will, like other outrage, will dissipate over the weekend and we can start fresh and have a good Christmas next week.

GUILFOYLE: So, head off the --

BOLLING: So, Bob said something crazy and the boss will say, Beckel, you're off the show, we're all going to say, no, we're not coming in if Beckel's not here.

PERINO: Yes, we can't have a FIVE without our patriarch.

BECKEL: I was very close once, you remember?

BOLLING: Once?

GUILFOYLE: Once?

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: But, you know, here's the other thing about it -- I mean, "Duck Dynasty" has gotten lots and lots of publicity. Did you really need one more magazine story?

PERINO: No, absolutely.

BECKEL: That's the thing, they stand -- the guy -- there may be second only to that anchor guy, whatever his name is. But they've been everywhere. It seems to me you ought to be a little careful because the more you do, the more interviews you do, the bigger the chances are --

PERINO: The hardest thing to do when you get to this level, the hardest thing for the public relations and publicity people to do is to say no. Say, I'm sorry, I know you really want to talk to him, I know that he's the most popular thing, I know he's going to help sell your magazine, we're going to take a pass on this one. And saying no will actually increase the supply and demand thing and make your client even more attractive.

GUTFELD: But the underlying message behind that is don't say what you think, because you're saying just don't allow options for him to express his beliefs. What you're saying is don't say what you really, really think. Let him watch the TV -- TV will edit out anything you say about gay people. We'll make sure you're completely sterilized.

He finally says what he says. A&E know what he believes. A&E knows.

PERINO: For months.

BECKEL: But, Greg, if you were Phil, you think you'd do this interview over again, if you had to do it over again?

GUTFELD: Yes, I guess. But I don't know -- I don't think he gives a damn.

PERINO: Yes, remember, he's the one who walks away from an interview with Barbara Walters, for "Most Fascinating People" so he can go duck hunting. So, I don't actually think -- I'm not trying to suggest that he shouldn't say what he thinks. I just think they should be smarter about the interviews they decide to do.

BOLLING: I would say there's -- from here going forward, there's a real opportunity. There's an opportunity for the "Duck Dynasty" crew to handle it the right way, where they don't -- by the way, if they go too hard apologizing, they' re going to tick off their whole audience. They're going to say, what are you doing? We're backing you.

So, they have to be careful how they handle an apology or bringing Phil back on. It's going to be very interesting --

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PERINO: They should just be themselves.

BOLLING: -- in the wake of all this.

GUILFOYLE: But he made his apology already. And now, they seem that they're pushing up hard against A&E. So, I think A&E, it's your move now.
Advantage, duck.

Ahead on "The Five", more on the "Duck Dynasty" controversy, of course.
Did the producers want to cut out mention of the word "Jesus" from the show? That's the allegation. You'll hear it.

And later, a very exciting announcement coming up in "One More Thing,"
some big news to report. Don't miss it.

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PERINO: That is a great song, Greg. Thanks for singing along.

All right. The Obama administration made a surprise announcement yesterday, saying that millions of Americans who had their health plans canceled will be exempt from the Obamacare individual mandate. So, this comes right before Monday's deadline to sign up for coverage starting January 1st.

The president was asked about it today at his year end press conference.

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REPORTER: How do you expect Americans to have confidence and certainty in this law if you keep changing it? This one here, this new waiver last night, you could argue you might as well have delayed the mandate.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, no, that's not true, because what we're talking about it is a very specific population that received cancellation notices from insurance companies. The majority of them are either keeping their old plan because the grandfather clause has been extended further. Or they're finding a better deal in the marketplace, with better insurance for cheaper costs.

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PERINO: Greg, at the beginning of that, the president has a little signal like this that he says -- what do you think that means?

GUTFELD: Oh, sorry. Oh, when he does this?

PERINO: Yes.

GUTFELD: After somebody asks a question he doesn't like, this means you will die.

PERINO: Chuck Todd, better look out.

GUILFOYLE: Or be audited.

GUTFELD: You know, whenever -- you know, when there's a road hazard, you know, people company out, they put out these road blocks and detours.
What the government is doing is it's doing that for their friends. It's putting up road blocks and detours for specific people. While everybody else goes head straight into disaster. That what makes me so angry, is that they're watching out for the people that matters --

PERINO: So, what you're talking about is that the Senate Democrats and the House Democrats that are concerned about their re-election were getting ready to ask the president to do this and he did it proactively.

Eric, can you explain -- what exactly did the president just do?
Because I think most of America was not reassured by that.

BOLLING: OK. So, here's -- he came out and said we don't know how many have actually paid so we don't know, there are still another million who signed up for Medicaid which means they're going to be taking out of the system. He forgot to mention the 5 million people who were yanked off their health care. So, the numbers are really, really skewed against them.

But what he did offer -- we have the employer mandate that was delayed a year. Then, we have all these waivers that were added. And now, President Obama says if you're an individual and your insurance is too much, we'll offer cheaper catastrophic insurance as a temporary fix, which, by the way, the employer say, not so fast. We're not sure we want to jump on board.

But the bottom line, when we add it all up, basically, he's backing into, quietly, so it doesn't look like it, backing into a delay of the health care law, which is what Ted Cruz said from the very begin, just delay it.

PERINO: Bob, the beginning of the press conference, I thought President Obama gave excellent spin on the situation. He's had a bad year.
The pull numbers are down. Those are fact.

But what the thing they're talking about, I thought it was pretty good. But do you think there's any risk of looking too disconnected from reality?

BECKEL: I mean, look, you're going to -- sure, there is, but the fact is that this thing is getting better and better, despite what Eric says.
For the 500,000 people who have yet to find their health insurance, who got cut off, means that 9.5 million have.

BOLLING: Huh?

BECKEL: That 9.5 million have. You say 10 million people were given cancellation notices. It says -- unless our research is wrong, 500,000 have not found new policies.

BOLLING: No, I said 5.9 million policies have been canceled. Now President Obama's going to offer maybe a couple hundred thousand these catastrophic plans. That's a drop in the bucket.

BECKEL: There are going to be well other 9 million people who will have plans in effect on January 1st.

PERINO: With the administration's numbers that they gave today, they're still 2.9 million short of their own goals.

BECKEL: Yes.

PERINO: OK. So we only have a few days. Kimberly, what kind of added stress do you think this is providing to a lot of Americans who are wondering --

GUILFOYLE: I'm feeling super-stressed out about it, it I tell you that much. So are the smaller insurance companies who, by the way, are going bankrupt from this whole catastrophic insurance thing.

But this is what this administration does. As soon as they get a bad poll number, they're like, ooh, better do something about it. They have a knee-jerk reaction, not well thought, adding more problems on to already this completely compromised infrastructure, if you can even call it, of Obamacare. That's what he did, oh, we're going to add this on because we want to appease you.

But they've got big Democrats in states that are going to lose their seats and they're under pressure. That's the reality of what's going on.
So, this is more appeasement partisan politics.

BECKEL: Big Democratic states are doing very, very well. California
--

PERINO: They're not the swing states that matter.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: There are a lot of people doing very well out there with this plan.

GUTFELD: You know, before his press conference, the Web site crashed.
And I'm thinking now we can safely say that Obamacare is officially what you would call a thing, remember jumping the shark or drinking the Kool- Aid?

Obamacare is now a thing. It's not just screwing the pooch. You screwed the whole pound.

PERINO: You know what? It's the new new Coke.

GUTFELD: Yes. No, but it's the thing you go, dude, you just Obamacared that.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: How do you guys know this, how do you know it's going to be so bad?

BOLLING: What do you mean how do you know?

BECKEL: You get all your talking points for the newspaper that you're all dumping because it's good news.

GUTFELD: I don't get talking points from anybody.

BOLLING: Give me one single metric that shows me Obamacare's working.

BECKEL: Kentucky, they've signed up 200,000 people who were insured.
California, 500,000 people who were uninsured. Connecticut, 80,000 people
--

BOLLING: Two and a half -- 2.8 million under their own estimations.
They need 7 million by March. More people are off their insurance than before they even started --

BECKEL: You asked me for some metrics. I gave you some metrics.
Mistakes where they took on the exchanges themselves, unlike the Republicans who want to kill health care.

BOLLING: Greg, I used to have a goatee but one thing I never did, I never let the goatee hair grow longer than the hair on my head like Chuck Todd did.

PERINO: Well, maybe you had a choice.

BOLLING: Ooh --

PERINO: I don't know anything about men's hair though.

Coming up, just days before he leaves, Mayor Michael Bloomberg scores another point for his nanny state agenda. I think he Obama-cared it. He's snuffing out e-cigarettes and the reason why city hall has banned them may surprise you.

Greg's got that, next. Don't go away.

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GUTFELD: Oh, little impression of Marcy there from Dana Perino. OK, the New York City Council just voted to ban electronic cigarettes from indoor public spaces. These smokes heat up nicotine and emit a harmless water vapor. It affects no one but the smoker. You ban this. You should ban tea pots and clouds.

So, you want to know the reason for the ban? City Council Speaker Christine Queen said, quote, "Because many of the e-cigarettes are designed to look like cigarettes and can lead to confusion or confrontation."

So let me get this straight, laws are being created based on the cluelessness and confusion of stupid people. A dope's emotional discomfort is now more important than actual medical facts? I say this is nuts, but someone might be allergic.

You realize, you can apply this illogic to any behavior. Talking loudly to your wife? Maybe you're threatening her. Let's regulate voices.
Someone sees you running, maybe you mug someone. No more jogging. A woman's breastfeeding. No, that baby's attacking her. Wrestle it to the ground.

Look, in New York City, we got thugs knocking people out. We have drunks mowing others down. We have psychos pushing women in front of subways and this is what these morons concentrate on, this?

New York, you had a great run, but now it's over. The Big Apple is now run by the worms. Which may be an insult to actual worms. I'm very sorry, worms.

GUILFOYLE: That's true, worms are better than that.

GUTFELD: Worms wouldn't do this.

GUILFOYLE: Are you smoking?

GUTFELD: Yes, I'm smoking.

GUILFOYLE: You're banned.

GUTFELD: This is fantastic. This is an e-cigarette. Look, it looks like a real cigarette. It doesn't bother anybody. This is water vapor.

PERINO: That's what I love about it. The private sector -- these are fabulous -- look at this innovation.

GUTFELD: This is the point.

PERINO: This is not real cigarettes. It's like candy cigarettes.

GUTFELD: So, let me get this straight. Private enterprise creates a solution to a problem, government destroys solutions. That's what it does.

GUILFOYLE: I think Dana wanted those.

GUTFELD: You can have these. You can climb in there and --

PERINO: I used to pretend smoke with the candy cigarettes.

GUTFELD: Those were good times.

PERINO: I loved those.

GUTFELD: I'm angry. Who wants to talk?

GUILFOYLE: Stay angry.

GUTFELD: No, no, even you got to admit, nuts, nanny state, crazy.

BECKEL: I thought Bloomberg and these people have been nuts from the time I moved into this city. The idea that somehow -- I mean, all these people who walk around -- when I smoke my cigar outside, I've had people come up to me and say, what are you smoking for, you ruining my air.

There's lots of air out there, folks. If you don't like it, go some place else.

But the idea you've got something now that doesn't emit this horrible smoke. And then you say no? I mean, I don't get it. This makes no sense to me whatsoever.

They've lost their collective minds. I mean, the New York City Council has got to be -- they ought to be in the Bellevue Psychiatric Ward.

GUTFELD: I agree.

GUTFELD: Eric, this helps people quit.

BOLLING: Is that the only drawback to the e-cigarette, because people might be thinking there's something wrong, not that there's -- by the way, there's no indication, medical indication, that smoke is dangerous to anyone else or you.

GUTFELD: It's water vapor.

I'm taking in nicotine but that's my choice.

BOLLING: Whenever -- the smoke you're blowing out won't affect me health wise, right?

GUTFELD: It's water vapor.

BOLLING: It's water vapor.

Here's the other question: did they also -- did they also address the issue of people retooling those to smoke weed in those? Because that's what's going on too.

GUTFELD: See, that just shows you the brilliance of Americans. They take something and they make it into something else. I think they do.

People are using these devices to probably smoke other things.

BOLLING: Is that part of the issue, that they're actually smoking weed in public?

GUTFELD: No, no, they're doing it --

PERINO: It is just because it looks like you're smoking.

GUTFELD: It's people who get angry when they see other people having a good time. It's the fact that I'm smoking.

GUILFOYLE: Blame it on the haters? Hater legislation.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I mean, look, there doesn't seem to be a reason, a thought process behind this. It seems to be micromanaging that's not really effective and there's other problems they should focus on.

Perhaps we should focus on the fact it's better that people are trying to get off cigarettes and heal themselves? I don't know.

PERINO: Wouldn't it be good for the bars? One of complaints from the bars is the smoking ban drove people out. It might have created new customers as well. But now this, everybody wins. In New York, everybody loses.

GUILFOYLE: Right, Bob cannot take it out. He's got to --

BECKEL: What's the charger for?

BOLLING: To charge your cigarette.

PERINO: Because it's electric.

GUTFELD: You know, the point that Dana's making is correct. When people would leave the bar, that's less drinking in the bar, the bartenders make less money. Then there's people standing outside that get in fights.
They make noise. There are noise complaints.

PERINO: But Christine Queen says this could cause fights, because maybe I come in and I'm concerned about the smoke and I think you're actually smoking and I'm going to get into a big fight with you and I'm going to punch your lights out.

GUTFELD: All right. OK, guys.

GUILFOYLE: Bob is almost passing out from the exertion of trying to put together the e-cigarette.

BECKEL: You've got to charge this thing?

GUTFELD: Inhale, see what happens.

PERINO: I don't think it's charged.

GUILFOYLE: No, Bob, it comes with --

PERINO: Batteries are included.

GUTFELD: All right, they're telling me to tease.

BECKEL: Oh, I know --

GUTFELD: There you go.

BECKEL: That's not bad.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's pretty good. Yes.

BECKEL: Not as good as my cigar. I'm going to continue to smoke my cigar.

GUTFELD: Coming up, the avalanche of reaction continues to pull in over the "Duck Dynasty" scandal. Will A&E regret their decision? Sarah Palin sounds off, next on "The Five".

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BECKEL: What are you --

BOLLING: Welcome back to "The Five".

Sarah Palin thinks A&E may come to regret its decision on "Duck Dynasty." Here's the governor on "HANNITY" last night.

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SARAH PALIN (R), FORMER ALASKA GOVERNOR: A&E has chosen to marginalize and try to stifle the freedom of someone that is filled with faith and the gospel, that being Phil, from "Duck Dynasty," and Americans, we're smart enough to understand what's going on here. We're also smart enough to understand that we do not have to promote and give business to a network like that.

If we, you know, don't believe in the action that they just took. And A&E's going to feel it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right. K.G., so they say vote with your feet. A&E made a business decision to suspend Phil. Good or bad business decision?

GUILFOYLE: I think it's a terrible business decision. If you're in the business to make money, I don't know who they're trying to please, but it's not pleasing the people who watch that show or particularly tune in to that network. So, perhaps it was -- you know, short sighted for sure, because ultimately, they have an obligation, right, to make money.

It's a private sector business. And they should be concerned about ratings and ad sales and all of the above.

I'd be very worried right now if I were them, because A&E walk (ph).
I mean, that guy should walk.

BECKEL: I mean, it's obviously a bad business decision now in retrospect because the family says they're not going to go on without the patriarch. If they're serious about that, they just run with the can, that means they'll have a lot of open space that could have made them a lot of money.

BOLLING: Any thoughts, smoker? Smoking man?

GUTFELD: I just think it's because decision now in retrospect, because I think that's a great word to put out. Yes, happy patriarch's day.

GUILFOYLE: I hope they don't ban it.

GUTFELD: Patriarch knows best.

You know, the fact, it's not a freedom of speech issue, it's a cowardly issue. A&E was scared. They're frightened of what might happen.
The hypocrisy is, this is a program steeped in religion. The guy made a religious point. They're drowning in his money.

BOLLING: Yes. D, your thoughts?

PERINO: That is an interesting point. The decision then to continue to run the marathon means that A&E does understand business. I think that it would be -- I do agree they were scared. I just wish they had been a little bit smarter. Since they knew about this for months, they could have gotten in front of this. Maybe they could create a way to bring some people together.

They could have done --

GUILFOYLE: They did it on purpose.

GUTFELD: They should have a debate with GLAAD and "Duck Dynasty."

BOLLING: That would be --

GUTFELD: I would watch that.

BOLLING: Pay-per-view.

Take a look at Phil Robertson a couple months ago. Listen, how he weighed in -- he kind of preempted this whole conversation. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PHIL ROBERTSON, DUCK DYNASTY: The other thing was, when we prayer, it's in Jesus' name amen. They would have me saying, thank you, Lord, for the food, thank you for loving us, amen.

I said, why would you cut out "in Jesus' name"? They said, well, those editors are doing that, they don't want to offend Muslims or something.

I said, I don't think it hurts. Your calendar's based on him. So, now, they're kind of -- every once in a while, they leave it in there.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: So the point there is that as far back as April, Bob, he knew how Phil Robertson felt about this stuff.

BECKEL: The idea they would have him take "Jesus" out, that I find absolutely -- this is -- this guy is an evangelical Protestant. This is what he believes in. The idea of taking that away, the word "Jesus" away from somebody like this, it's just -- it's like taking a baseball bat out of the hands of Babe Ruth.

PERINO: He believes -- part of his belief is spreading the word. He believes in spreading the gospel. If you're going to do an interview with "G.Q." magazine, yes, you can expect Phil Robertson is going to spread the gospel.

BOLLING: Yes.

PERINO: As (INAUDIBLE) that he -- I'm not saying it's how everybody believes. But they knew what -- they knew what they were doing. You got to -- if you're going to have him there, let Phil be Phil if that's what you want to do.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: And again, maybe they knew exactly. Maybe they knew exactly what they're doing right now.

GUTFELD: This the most press "G.Q." has gotten since they did a foldout on how to could a bow tie.

PERINO: Very useful.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Are you still smoking?

GUTFELD: Yes, right here.

Come after me, Christine, I'm here.

BOLLING: Way to go.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: All right. We're out of here then. Coming up, parents are not staying silent about this one. A school cuts "Jesus Christ" out of "Christmas carol," "Silent Night," and we've got the tape to prove it.

And later, a big announcement, coming up in "One More Thing". You definitely got to stick around for that. Ahead on "The Five".

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BECKEL: I'm in the dog House. Talk about taking the "Christ" out of Christmas, one school changed the lyrics to "Silent Night" and purposely left out religious references, because they didn't want to offend other religions.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(MUSIC: "SILENT NIGHT")

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: Fifth graders at the Ralph J. Osgood Intermediate School on Long Island, New York, never sang the lyrics "holy infant" and "Christ the savior is born." Some parents are obviously upset.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's "Silent Night." It's offensive. If you're going to remove words to not offend other religions, what about the religion that that song belongs to, which is Christianity?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: The school board eventually apologized, perhaps a little too late.

Let me just jump in here right away and say I agree with that guy completely. This song is about the baby Jesus. And why in the world they would take that out of there. If people are offended by it, leave. Don't sing it. But don't take it away from people who believe. I mean, it's just outrageous. I mean, I'm just fed up with it. Go ahead.

BOLLING: I think it's awful. I think it's terrible. By the way, these are 10-year-old kids. If my son was at a school and they pulled those words out, I'd pull him out of that school for sure.

PERINO: You would?

BOLLING: The way they explain it, superintendent Susan Arguso says that the principal, Rudy Massimo and the chorus director had pulled the lines out so they -- because they didn't want to offend those of other faiths.

Let me just tell you something: you offended Christians, which occupy a vast majority of Americans and the globe right now. You're out of your mind. This is a big mistake. Walk it back, take it back, put "Christ"
back in "Christmas" and that song.

PERINO: You notice that no one ever takes "mas" out of Christmas?
Why do they always have to take "Christ" out?

Do you know everyone never takes "mass" out of Christmas, it is always "Christ" and I wonder if there is an industry that you can hire that will tell you, if you take out these lines, you will get outrage in the community and you can get on TV.

BECKEL: Greg, what do you think?

GUTFELD: I'm editing. I don't like children singing, so I'm all for shortening the songs any way they can.

BECKEL: Kimberly, from Grinch to you.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I know. I felt that.

This is about the birth of baby Jesus. How offensive that they did this to the song and they would subject children to their political maneuvering. I think it's just wrong. And I would pull my little kid out of there, even if he didn't know...

BECKEL: I wish I had kids that little. I'd pull them out, too. I mean, what are they worried about? I mean, they said there's a bunch of Muslim students in there. They don't have to sit in there. They can leave. They don't have to be in the chorus. They don't have to sing it.

PERINO: Why would they be -- If they're offended, why would they go to the Christmas concert any way if they're going to be offended?

BECKEL: That's exactly right. And then they could have their own concert, if they want. I mean, I don't know what the Muslims are saying, but whatever they do.

GUTFELD: So instead let's say we'll offend 83 percent of the population.

BECKEL: You all have got to stop this. It's just -- it's just too much. All right.

GUILFOYLE: Be nice.

"One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: It is time now for "One More Thing." We have some fantastic news to share with viewers today about the New Year's Eve show.
Bob and I, who knows what's going to happen that night, I have to tell you.
New Year's Eve I'm ringing it in with big Bobbie, and we're going to start off the show at 9 p.m. Eastern time. So put it right here on the FOX News Channel. We have an outstanding show for you.

GUTFELD: You're hosting the first hour.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, we're hosting 9 to 10 and were staying there all night. So we're going to stay with you for the whole night.

Also on the show we have Bill O'Reilly, "Duck Dynasty." We have Will and Corey that are going to be joining us. And we have a bunch of fantastic FOX News Channel hosts like Ainsley Earhardt. And we have Rick Leventhal and Griff Jenkins. And then, of course, Bill Hemmer and Elisabeth Hasselbeck will be hosting from 10 p.m. until 12:30. We're pretty excited about that.

BECKEL: Yes. We're excited about that. But listen, the thing is, don't get too close to kind of tickle me or anything. Because you tend to have a tendency to do that. But I promise I won't yell at you during any of that. It's going to be a lot of fun, and we'll have a good time with all these people coming in. I didn't know we had all of those people. How did you find that out?

GUILFOYLE: Because I was prepared.

BECKEL: That's why they're going to let you take the lead most of the time, which I can understand.

Now, I know a lot of conservatives are probably going to be watching this, but don't turn it off just because I'm on because I'm going to give you some really good stuff that ain't liberal. OK?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, well, you know what? You've got to ring -- they've got to ring in the new year with you, with some of your commentary, your wild antics. No one ever knows what you're going to say.

PERINO: Bob loves a party.

BECKEL: I do. Yes. And I've -- you know, I haven't been to a New Year's Eve party since I got sober. So this is going to be great. I've never been to Times Square. Greg was there and got run over, which is understandable.

GUTFELD: The last time I will ever do it.

BECKEL: Yes. Well, we're looking forward to it. It will be a lot of
fun. I'm looking forward to it. I'm just hoping the weather is not too cold.

GUILFOYLE: You know what I wanted to do it with you, right?

BECKEL: So you could snuggle up next to me.

GUILFOYLE: Correct. Body heat. Years past when I did it...

BECKEL: A lot of body heat.

GUILFOYLE: And foot warmers. And let me tell you something: I'll do just about anything -- anything to stay warm.

BECKEL: OK. That means you'll cuddle with me.

GUILFOYLE: What about that reveal? We have a reveal. Dana Perino is next. Take it away.

BECKEL: Yes, sir.

PERINO: OK, can you play this sound bite real quick, please?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: You're not going to believe it. Because you can make these calendars now...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my gosh. Look at how cute is he.

PERINO: So this is Jasper. What do you mean -- It's like a whole calendar, like from when he went swimming and we went to the beach.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm dying right now. I was not prepared for that.

BECKEL: That's really good.

GUTFELD: What's wrong with you? Oh, my God.

PERINO: Are you happy? I made it for you.

GUTFELD: Very happy. I'll put this in, like, some special place.

PERINO: If I come to your office, I hope it is hanging up.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: It's very -- it's actually very nice.

PERINO: So this is the big reveal: 2014 Jasper calendar available for my co-hosts. And if you go to "The Five" Facebook page, Sean (ph), our producer, figured out a way that you can download it and you can at it yourself.

GUTFELD: Can I make a note? I'm sacrificing my "One More Thing,"
because we're not going to get anyway. But I've got to find something out about this calendar. Generally when you do a calendar that has pictures, it's one picture per month, but Dana can't decide so there's four pictures.
Four pictures per month so it's actually not 12.

PERINO; So you get, like, four times the worth.

GUTFELD: Because she couldn't -- because she couldn't decide what picture was better.

PERINO: No, well, in the program you can put four pictures.

GUILFOYLE: I like to think it's value-added. This calendar, you get your money's worth. And that time...

BECKEL: Did you see this, with the hats?

GUILFOYLE: ... on eBay.

BECKEL: Is that cute or what? The hat.

GUILFOYLE: "Five" hats, too.

PERINO: I like the hats.

BOLLING: Well, I'm a big fan of this thing.

GUILFOYLE: I think it's cute.

BECKEL: Mine will -- mine will be available on Ebay.

GUILFOYLE: These are a little different, Dana, from the pictures you send me.

PERINO: Well check the cover one.

GUILFOYLE: OK, I got these more. Jasper junk. Woo-hoo!

PERINO: All right. That's all I have.

GUTFELD: Dog porn.

PERINO: I worked all year on that.

BOLLING: You guys made him draw in the sand with his paw like that?

GUILFOYLE: He's very talented.

High I.Q. He was my other choice for a co-host but he was unavailable. He was booked. All right.

BOLLING: Bob, you -- you were chosen because Jasper was unavailable.

Very quickly, tomorrow morning, "Cashing In." The show has been extremely hot. Tomorrow morning we're going to talk about the big "Duck Dynasty" issue, especially, you know, "Cashing In," free market, capitalist, libertarian, we're going at it from all directions. We'll let you know what we think.

BECKEL: She actually put in another dog in with Jasper.

GUILFOYLE: I know.

PERINO; That was Grady.

GUILFOYLE: I like the pool float. Hey, you still have time,
Greg. Greg. Are we boring you?

GUTFELD: Yes. You know, this is now the second day in a row that I've been the last person and I didn't have any time.

GUILFOYLE: You have 30 seconds. Don't you have any books to sell?
This is your moment.

BECKEL: Don't -- he's got one coming out in six months.

GUTFELD: Yes, order "Not Cool."

GUILFOYLE: All right. Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five."

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