Grinchy groups try to dampen the Christmas spirit

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 17, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. This is "The Five."


BOLLING: We are eight days from Christmas and the world is awash in Christmas cheer, Christmas lights illuminating the world's children of all ages, Bob.

But here at home, atheists and the politically correct are hard at work trying to ruin Christmas for the kids.

Two examples, first up a tradition around for 50 years. NORAD has tracked Santa's sleigh using a very powerful radar system. Kids can log on to the website and track the path of Santa's sleigh and leave it to a group of grinchy, kids -- let's call it the grinchy group, campaign for a commercial-free childhood said that since fighter jets are escorting Santa's sleigh, NORAD is promoting violence and militarism.

Now, Bob, I literally brought my first dog's when he was 6 years old.

I brought him downstairs, he went on the website and tracked Santa freedom for the first day.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Yes. I mean, look, this whole thing you know what one of things that drive me crazy about this -- if people don't like Christmas decorations, put your own up. If you are Jewish, do that, the Muslims, you do that. Well, it maybe -- and then but I just think the whole idea is just -- it just infringes on my rights to have -- a way to celebrate a very important day to me. So I think they are all a bunch of Grinches and they should go away.

BECKEL: And see that video we are showing right there, that's the NORAD video. So what, the jet fighters are escorting Santa.

Dana, your thoughts on this one.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, I wonder if the parents who are complaining about this, that their kids, that they don't want fighter jets around Santa's sleigh -- well, first of all, I would say what video games do they think their kids are playing?

BECKEL: Yes, right.

PERINO: Because the video games that the kids are asking for definitely have fighter jets and more involved. And also, NORAD is an amazing place. Every year, they do it just right. They never lose track.

BOLLING: Campaign for a commercial-free childhood.

Greg, I'm against the commercial-free childhood.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yes, I think kids should be bombarded with commercials constantly.

But this is not about Christmas, this is about the military. I would not be surprised if this group is academically decapitated.

BECKEL: Exactly right.

GUTFELD: The fact is, if there was no military, there would be no Christmas or if there was, we would be the reindeer and we'd be pulling a Nazi sleigh. The military has done more for kids than pampers and pacifiers. So, they should be -- they should be a part of Christmas as much as possible.

BOLLING: And so are that pampers and pacifiers are good for parents, too.

GUTFELD: Yes. That's true. I'll use them on occasion.

PERINO: Oh, God.

BOLLING: Not exactly what I meant.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Every time we do one of these stories, it is some group against the military or kids. Like two things, if you could just give yourself a break around the holidays, can you just leave kids and the military alone? Just those two groups.

You know, I looked up this campaign for a commercial-free childhood, they are also the fun police that when they are not busy trying to stop Santa from getting here safely, they want to end the happy meal. They are the group behind getting rid of the happy meal, and the toys in the happy meal. So, they're against toys also.

You know, those bouncy chairs for infants that millions of parents --  


PERINO: Oh, Greg, have one of those in his office.

GUTFELD: I do. It's fantastic.

TANTAROS: Greg, you have one, you love it.


TANTAROS: They want to take your bouncy chair away because it's too much fun.

GUTFELD: They'll have to pry it from my cold bouncy hands.

BOLLING: And butt.



TANTAROS: How else do they think Santa gets here safely? He needs some fighter jets sometimes, right?

BOLLING: Exactly.


BECKEL: Every Christmas, we show pictures of servicemen and women who are overseas who are sending Christmas to their kids back home, you know?

And I think the idea of attacking this thing -- and you are exactly right, those jet fighters and video games shoot down more people, these people are getting Santa Claus here safely.

BOLLING: Exactly. Here's one that Bob is going to like. Next up, check out the Hunter family home in Newton, Mass, where Christmas lights burn bright and cheery. And now, listen to a letter that the crabby neighbors wrote to these people. The neighbors have a problem with the decorations. Hey, neighbors, call in your stockings.



KELLY HUNTER, RECEIVED COMPLAINT ABOUT CHRISTMAS DISPLAY: "Not everybody in the neighborhood is Christian and many people do not wish to see such a flagrant display of your beliefs. You are, of course, free to worship as you believe, free to celebrate as you please, and free to have bad taste. But please have the good sense to do these things in the privacy of your own home, sincerely your neighbors."


BOLLING: All right. Go ahead.

PERINO: If you're actually sincere about something like that, you shouldn't have to read it from a letter, you should be able to say it from your heart.

BOLLING: Right. They didn't want to do that. They sent an anonymous letters from the neighbors.

GUTFELD: Can I confess? I actually wrote that letter, just so we would have a topic at Fox News.

In fact, I've been behind the war on Christmas for the last four years. I've been generating every one of these stories from my underground bunker. None of these things are real.

PERINO: It's all a mirage.

GUTFELD: It's all a mirage.

BOLLING: All right. I'm going to save Bob for last, because he does something like this on himself.

Ands, your thought?

TANTAROS: Maybe they just like lights. Who cares? It's their property. Let them decorate.

And you know what? If you don't like it, don't look at it. How about that? Or move, if you don't like it.

BOLLING: Did we mix Bob's house in there?

PERINO: Bob, do you get complaints?

BECKEL: I get complaints about people driving by the house. But that's beside the point. That's about traffic.

This woman says, she is not in good taste, number one.

BOLLING: Wait, wait, hold on. That was --

PERINO: She's recipient of the letter.

BOLLING: They were the homeowners, the neighbors anonymously sending the letter to her.

BECKEL: OK. The letter was not in good taste. But they said in the letter, if you don't like it, keep it in your own home. They are. It's on their property. They can do what they want with it.

I mean, if we want to -- listen, in this world, where there's so many depressing things, want to have a few lights. You don't like lights?

Then, you are in a dark world. And I've been there, it's an ugly place.

BOLLING: There's no evidence that they do the same thing that you do.

You take your plug and you plug into the neighbors lights.

BECKEL: Yes, that's right. Well, they're gone.

TANTAROS: And, Eric, real quick, that line about good taste, that told me these people are elitist snobs, like they're judging someone who's over the top about Christmas. It's like, oh, they're like, they are those people --

PERINO: They probably work at the university.

TANTAROS: Yes, they probably work at the university.

GUTFELD: You know, it is about -- it's about a leisure culture that has allowed people the time to gripe about things, that perhaps in the 1950s, you just got out of a war. You wouldn't explain about this sort of thing in ironic ways.

It is the military that allowed the freedom to complain about this stuff. We have a very great country that allows us to whine about stuff.


BECKEL: You know, if they did that to me, I have a lot of extra Christmas decorations. I would go right down to their house and decorate it about 3:00 in the morning.

PERINO: That's a great idea.

BECKEL: You know, just to let it see what it's like to have a few lights going on.

BOLLING: How about in the same spirit, the P.C. spirit. Yesterday, we showed you the drunken Santas fighting in the streets. Today, we're going to bring you these brawling broads at the Philly City Hall Christmas lighting. Now, it's in a couple of years old.


BOLLING: It's not brand new video. But, still nonetheless great.

Watch a little of this.


GUTFELD: The music makes it great.

TANTAROS: Yes, exactly.

BOLLING: All right. So, Ands, Philly -- by the way, the two ladies were fighting for a spot closer to the city's Christmas tree lights.

TANTAROS: Philly, why? Why? I'm a Pennsylvania girl, why do you keep doing that? You keep fulfilling that stair row type we're just a violent meat heads that can't get along during the holidays.

BECKEL: That's true. It's -- I mean, there are a lot of meat heads out there. But, you know, it's one thing to fight at football games but to get in the front line for a Santa thing, what do these people thinking about? Where is the good cheer about Christmas?

I understand Greg. He is a Grinch. He's been that way all of his life. But I mean, for most people, people enjoy this season.

GUTFELD: Wait. Why is this season any different? Why are we saying, oh, you know what? It's the Christmas season, we shouldn't be fighting?

No, you should be fighting all of the time.

TANTAROS: That is every day in Philly.

BOLLING: Exactly. Have you been to a Philly game no matter what it is? If it's the Eagles, the Flyers, it doesn't matter. This stuff goes on. These are the same people just with Santa Claus hats on.

PERINO: I think it proves that America is overtired. By the end of year, you are running out of steam. You're trying to get to end of the year. You want to have a good time. You got to get all of the gifts, got all the stuff. And then you go to an event like that and you just lose your head because you're just exhausted.

GUTFELD: Is that what she's done, Dana?

PERINO: Sort of destroy (INAUDIBLE) and lie on the floor and fall asleep, cry myself to sleep.


PERINO: And you know what? Thank you, Wi-Fi people.

BOLLING: We'll talk about that later.

All right. Now, for the hope. An anonymous patron is leaving huge tips for waiters, waitresses and bartenders across the country. Check it out. In Portland, "Tips for Jesus" left a $5,000 tip on a $576 bar tab.

In Ann Arbor, Michigan, a 3 grand tip was left on a $87 tab by "Tips for Jesus".

And in Fairfield, Connecticut, a big tip for waiters at a college town restaurant known for cheap beer, $5,000 on a $112 tab and get this -- all documented on Instagram under the handle @TipsforJesus.

GUTFELD: Jesus has to be totally psyched because if there is a Jesus at every restaurant, he should demand that money.

BECKEL: No, that was Eric traveling to all of those plays. That's what it was, right?

BOLLING: You know what? I think this is the greatest idea ever. I mean, let's say you've either been left money or you want to leave money, or you want to -- this is the best idea I've ever heard. Go out, have a great dinner and then spread some of your wealth around.

This is a fantastic idea, I love this. Rather than having the government tell me what to do with it -- Dana.

PERINO: I would love to have enough money to be able to do something like that. I think that part -- that would be amazing.

GUTFELD: Are you living day-to-day, Dana? Real tough, huh, on this talk show money.


PERINO: Yes. It is so hard.

But I was going to say, a few weeks ago, Robert Reich (ph) came out and he's complaining about philanthropy in America and that there are some people give to the arts and sciences rather than to homeless people, and should there be some sort of better morals -- this was his point, not mine, that he was making and I think there are different ways to give and Tips for Jesus is --

BOLLING: And to that point, there are a lot of charities that give to where maybe 10 cents or 15 cents on the dollar actually get to the people in need. But I got to tell you something, bartenders and waitress and waitresses are people who are in need. I say this is great.

BECKEL: Greg, I mean, that was a terrible thing to say. I lot of people in Park West leave a tip for a check like that.



TANTAROS: Well, if these tips are from Jesus, Jesus never made it into my parents' restaurant. All we got 15 percent to 20 percent of the time.

PERINO: Yes. What if you're the other waiter and it doesn't happen for you.

BECKEL: That's a good point.

TANTAROS: You know what? If you are the busboy, that's great because there's a tip share or if they have to tip --

PERINO: But what if they don't?

TANTAROS: Then, they get to take it home themselves.

BOLLING: And on Instagram by the way, there are waiters and waitresses who are sending their address saying, hey, come visit me, too.

GUTFELD: See, I think this is wrong, because until there are tips to Muhammad, this is bigoted.

TANTAROS: That's the point. There never will be.

BOLLING: That's interesting.

BECKEL: I'll make sure I get to line up.


BOLLING: I wonder if they are tithing their big tip.

All right. There you go.

TANTAROS: They have to tithe to the government.

BOLLING: We do want to do this one, right? Do we have time for the last one?

What? All right. Let's do it.

Too school for school. Rasmussen reports a whopping 75 percent of adults surveyed believe Christmas is cool even in school, even in public school.

I'll bring it around.

Ands, your thoughts.

TANTAROS: Yes, why isn't it? We do these stories of people that getting so angry during the holiday season, I don't -- I don't see what the problem is. We are free and tolerant and supposed to be into tradition.

Anyone who's against Christmas in schools, again, it goes back to the fun police or you are from Philadelphia because you are fighting over the Andrea Bocelli song.

BECKEL: I get back to the point. I saw a Christmas pageant in my schools every year and if you want to have a pageant for another religion, have one.

BOLLING: Seventy-five percent --


PERINO: I'm not surprised at the number but I think that it would probably be just as many that would say learn about Hanukkah, too.

BECKEL: Yes, sure.

PERINO: Sure, why not? Or Kwanza.

GUTFELD: Yes, I don't know.

Christmas to me is depressing and it reflects the consequence of aging. As you spend more time on the planet, you have less time in front of you. So, Christmas keeps coming faster. And for kids it seems like it takes forever to get there. But as an adult, it's like always around the corner, reminding you that you are going to die.

PERINO: Yes, but the baby Jesus comes and says you are going to live.

BECKEL: Greg, did you ever have a merry Christmas?


BOLLING: We'll leave it like that.

All right. Coming up, if there is one thing our government knows how to do very well. It's not health care, nor is it creating full time jobs.

Your government does know however how to spend and blow your money. The

2013 wastebook is out.

We've got the list of useless crap you're paying for. You're going to love it, kind of, when we come back.

PERINO: How is that fun, though (ph)?


PERINO: All right. A bipartisan budget bill cleared a major hurdle in the Senate today, all but assuring its passage. And as early as tonight, it could be voted on.

Another shutdown would be averted, that's the goal of this bill.

But there is plenty of stuff you're still going to be paying for that lawmakers could have cut.

Senator Tom Coburn's annual wastebook is out and here are some of the highlights -- $124,000 for NASA to develop a pizza., that can be printed in 3D, $390,000 for NASA to produce a cartoon series that teaches kids about Greg's favorite subject, global warming, $325,000 on a study that Bob could have told you, that wives would mind marriage much more satisfied if they could calm down faster during arguments with their husband.

And how could we forget the $319 million blown on botched website.

This is always a fun day when the wastebook. Interesting it comes out on the same day they get a budget deal.

Bob, it's a long way from the Defense Department $700 toilet seat and things like that, do you think things have gotten better or are they just as bad as ever?

BECKEL: I think they are probably as bad as ever, but of course we listed these things that grab our viewers' attention, of course, ObamaCare had to be in there. But we don't mention Coburn (INAUDIBLE) defense budget after defense budget after defense budget for systems that nobody wants.

The Defense Department is always the largest number in this issue.

PERINO: OK. However, but is on everybody's mind.

BOLLING: I'm not sure about the last part.

BECKEL: Excuse me.

PERINO: Well, let's not argue the numbers yet. Let's first, let's talk about health care.

And, Eric, $300 million for a website that doesn't work, but do you think we'll ever know how much it costs for the fixes they are trying to make to the website?

BOLLING: I'll bet you it is ten-fold. I bet you it gets into the --

PERINO: Like a billion.

BOLLING: Absolutely. The amount of hours they are spending and if you know anything about I.T., and how much it costs to hire people to handle I.T., this could be multiples if not 10 times what the $300 -- $300 million was what we initially paid that French-Canadian contractor. It's going to be a lot higher than that.

Tom Coburn's wastebook outlines $300 billion, you know what the sad part of that is? That's less than 1 penny on the dollar of government spending. We spent $3.5 trillion a year. If you just cut that out, you'd still spent 99.92 percent of what you are spending anyway. It is really a drop in the bucket. We could probably find $300 billion if we really tried.

PERINO: Do you think that Washington is ignoring the easy stuff, Greg, or is it hard to do the harder stuff. Even in this budget that will pass tonight, they are dealing with military retirees -- people who did not serve a full 20 years but are obligated for a pension.

I'm trying to set up a question for you. But --


GUTFELD: I want to get to the point. All pizza is 3D.

PERINO: But you don't make it on a printer, you make it on an oven.

GUTFELD: That is a printer. Oven is a printer. You take the ingredients and put it in there and it makes a pizza.

Look, listening to these things, listening to these things, it's like what Eric said -- it's fun but it's pointless if there are no consequences.

It is like yelling at your spoiled brat as a kid to stop spending but you never cut up the credit cards. What's the point?

ObamaCare, however, is permanent because it's permanent. It's this big thing that -- it is a lesson to everybody about intrusive government that four decades of libertarianism could ever educate. ObamaCare did to big government what the plague did to rats.

If people learn anything from this year, it's that big government sucks.

PERINO: Andrea, do you think the congressmen feel there are no consequences for these kind of things.

TANTAROS: They feel them when they are in a re-election campaign and their opponent figures out that they're sponsored the bridge to nowhere and then there's campaign ad, then they usually feel the heat.

Now, no, they escape the heat. And Harry Reid, because he changed the procedure and the Senate rules now makes it easier than ever for any senator to slip this kind of thing in. I mean, you didn't mention this one, Dana, but a thousand for pole dancing in Austin --

PERINO: Yes, that's a good one.

TANTAROS: I mean, it seems like we're making this up, but we're not.

PERINO: Study the art of pole dancing.

TANTAROS: The art.

GUTFELD: This is an art.

TANTAROS: Yes, it is. But look back, Dana, over, that when we were debating the sequester, we were debating benefits for military members and that's I think that makes people the angriest, because when it comes to these contentious fights, it's always over military benefits, yet they have no problem wasting money on things like 3D pizza.

BECKEL: You know, you are talking about -- as Eric pointed out, a miniscule amount. Greg is picking on big government. He does it every day. And I know it's part of his mantra.

But let me ask you this, do you not want to pay national debt? Do you not want to pay defense? Do you not want to pay Social Security? Do you not want to pay Medicare?

How about border security? How about people who do air traffic control?

GUTFELD: That's about choices.

BECKEL: OK, but you are down to a small percentage of the government.

GUTFELD: I would rather expand on the benefits than illegal immigrants getting tax credits.

BECKEL: But that's just such a small part of this.

GUTFELD: Let's start there, I guess.

BOLLING: But I'm looking at the numbers here, Social Security, $871 billion; Department of Health and Human Services, $860 billion. I mean, there's got to be fat and fraud and waste and abuse we can cut in there and save some money.

Defense is third. All right. So what?

BECKEL: So -- I'm sure there is --

BOLLING: Should we start at Social Security and Medicare.

BECKEL: What I'm saying is the amount of money that you are talking about cutting here that could be about 15 percent of the budget and I think I could agree with that and find that. But some of the rest of the things you keep saying offhand, we don't need big government -- but you do need big government or you're going to give up on these big programs.

TANTAROS: Bob, every time -- we all agree, though, on keeping Social Security. We agree on keeping health care for seniors. The problem is, no one has the courage to tackle it and every time Republicans to do to save it, not get rid of it, they get ripped apart by Democrats.

PERINO: Not only that, but when Simpson-Bowles, Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles came together, the Simpson-Bowles suggestion of the budget, they worked for a year on it, it was a decent plan, a good compromise and President Obama said we are not going anywhere on it.

BECKEL: I know. That was one of the great lost opportunities of the year.


GUTFELD: I got Simpson-Bowles for Christmas.

BOLLING: If I'm not mistaken, President Obama asked for the Simpson- Bowles commission. Then they went through the whole process. Obama didn't like what he found and he said forget it.

PERINO: Yes, maybe one day we'll find out what kind of words were used by Simpson-Bowles when they put that out that.

GUTFELD: I could never stop talking about Simpson-Bowles.

PERINO: OK. Do you hate me or hate me?


PERINO: Honestly, before we go. A special programming note: set your DVRs now or you can tune live tomorrow. Charles Krauthammer is back with us this time for the entire hour. It will be must-see TV.

GUTFELD: Krauthammer!

PERINO: And ahead, what The Denver Post doesn't want you to know about the Colorado school shooter. Greg has that -- even though he is mean to me -- when we come back.


GUTFELD: Did you know that the Arapahoe shooter was a socialist? It's not your fault if you didn't. In a Denver Post profile on the shooter who killed himself after trying to take over the school, the description of him as, quote, "a very opinionated socialist," was changed later to just "very opinionated."

Now, it's not often you see the media sanitize a killers beliefs, generally they obsess all over it. When a Post editor was asked about the missing word, she said, "We decided not to have another student apply a label to the shooter -- a label the student likely didn't even understand."

I kind of agree. The less you focused on the killer's details as offered by classmates, the better. Inspired by the coverage of previous massacres, potential killers fantasize about their own outcomes. Media can make murder contagious.

However, I'm not sure that's why socialist got cut. After all, would they have been so thoughtful if it were Tea Partier? We know the answer because we've seen such linkage before in the media.

Remember Gabby Giffords and the crosshair, or the Boston bombing happening on Tax Day?

Fact is, reporters sometimes edit to fit a narrative they wish to believe, one that may be wrong, but comforting. So forgive me if I'm cynical about the paper's actions. They also have their targets and socialists aren't as desirable as others.

Andrea, should they have left it in, do you think? Does it matter?

TANTAROS: I think it's pretty unprofessional to edit a direct quote.

I also think if they didn't want to do a story to focus on the details of a shooter, they shouldn't have done called what his classmates said about his politics.


TANTAROS: And then they wouldn't have this problem. It seems straightforward.

Plus, you have other outlets, The Wall Street Journal, CBS, among others, who confirmed that numerous students said that he was a socialist.

But, Greg, we have seen this before. There were reports that the Sandy Hook shooter was a devil worshipper. They left that out.

There were reports in Virginia Tech that the killer was, quote, "sedated", they didn't tell you how, he was sedated by two people who happened to have a gun and live nearby. They don't tell you that.

So, if it fits their narrative, great. They'll put it in, even if it doesn't make any sense or is it verified? This case was the opposite and now they look pretty -- I think -- foolish.

GUTFELD: Yes. Bob, do you think it would be better to just blanket show restraint in reporting these stories to prevent copycats, because the more attention you give to the suspect, the more likely you create a repeat?

BECKEL: I think this ought to be said about that, but let's keep in mind, this guy never described himself as a socialist. He described himself as a Keynesian, number one. And number two, why should we take two students. He is what he is. They probably didn't know what socialist meant, as most people who throw the word socialist around don't understand what it means.

The fact of the matter is that why should a paper take two kids in a class and decide this is what the guy is?

GUTFELD: I agree with you. But I would like to see that done uniformly. If they had called him a Tea Party, I wonder if they would.


BOLLING: I could have sworn I saw somewhere where he did call himself a socialist. But maybe I'm wrong.

TANTAROS: A communist, it was.

BOLLING: Well, I believe socialist. But to make a long story short, the media goes the other way.

You mentioned Tea Party, wasn't it Brian Ross who -- he Googled, the Aurora, Colorado movie theater --

GUTFELD: Got the wrong name.

BOLLING: Got the wrong name, had the Tea Party association to the wrong guy, and went to the air with this guy is a Tea Partier. So, he actually seek out a political affiliation and when it was the one that fit the narrative, he put it out on the TV and it was wrong and he retracted.

In this case, this was there. This wasn't even them reporting. This wasn't even them investigating. They were just reporting what somebody else had already said and they blew it and editorialize there.


Dana, we had this discussion earlier, there is ample evidence of what they call suicide contagion effect when you report on teenage suicide, the more you report it, the more it occurs. So, they made a deal, law enforcement made a deal with the media to seize the romantic language about suicide and move it off the front pages.

Do you think that works here or do you need to have that information out there perhaps to make linkage and find out -- something that might help?

PERINO: So, I understand not romancing it. I don't understand whitewashing it. They did the story that says what the students said.

Very strange to edit somebody's quote. The student said what the student said. If "The Denver Post" decides that the student was wrong, they can add a sentence that says we think the student was wrong, the student doesn't know what she's talking about, whatever it might be.

And I do think it is important to find out what everybody knows, because if you are in law enforcement or a teacher or a parent, wouldn't you want to know what sort of code words or language is being used so you can try to prevent it in the future? Because now we have a young woman who is fighting for her life.

GUTFELD: Claire Davis.

PERINO: And they are whitewashing it in the hometown paper. And I do not believe that "The Denver Post" would have said he's a very opinionated right-wing extremist. They wouldn't have edited out right wing extremist.

That --

BECKEL: Why are you saying whitewashing, because a couple of students who are kids decided to name this guy something?

TANTAROS: You know what? This makes it so angry when I hear people say, oh, now, they are just a bunch of kids. But when they are 15, they can get Plan B. Or, oh, they're kids because they can stay on their parents' healthcare, but they are 18 so they can vote.

Which one is it, are they adults or are they kids? And the kid who said, who actually said he was a socialist, also used the word Keynesian.

So, I guess this kid is a total idiot when it comes to socialism, but understands Keynesian economics.


PERINO: Somebody is doing something right at the Arapahoe High School.

GUTFELD: Yes, I didn't come across that word until I was 44. I don't know. But Claire Davis is still in a coma. She's in critical condition and that is the real downer here and we hope she gets out of it alive and heals.

All right. Ahead on "The Five," a disturbing now report on the Muslim assault on Christians in Egypt. The "60 Minutes" investigation you'll want to know about.


TANTAROS: Well, the Muslim oppression of the Coptic Christians in Egypt is nothing new. Some people hope the recent revolution would improve things but it didn't. In fact, the opposite has been true. Islamists are increasing assaults on Christians and churches. Here is the witness telling 60 minutes about one of the attacks.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They looted everything, from chairs to pews. They stole anything that could be carried. What they couldn't carry they destroyed.

How did they set the church on fire?

They set the whole place on fire with Molotov cocktails and gasoline.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And on their way out, the attackers left behind a calling card - graffiti saying that Egypt is Islamic.


TANTAROS: All right. Greg, before the revolution, when the Muslim Brotherhood took over, Coptic Christians were pretty well protected by the former Egyptian leadership. Now, we see this getting worse. That is just one attack. They have been attacked ever since the Muslim brotherhood has fallen from power and the Egyptian government declared them a terrorist organization. Maybe it is time we do too.

GUTFELD: Yes, I'm beginning to question this whole religion of peace thing. It's only peaceful if you are part of that religion.

But what -- I mean, the question -- I always have to ask is what are you scared of? If your religion is so awesome, why are you threatened by other beliefs? It makes me think they are incredibly insecure about their own beliefs or else they wouldn't be murdering people. They are cowards.

TANTAROS: Dana, President Obama has had many opportunities to address the Coptic Christians and the situation in Egypt when he addressed the nation recently about Syria, but he's done the opposite.

So, when he gave his big Cairo speech, he allowed the Muslim brotherhood to be right there in the first or second row and they were not supposed to be there. Our government has sent those very expensive Abrams tanks over to Egypt when the Brotherhood was in power and this administration has remained very quiet, in fact going out of their way to say that they are actually moderate.

PERINO: Well, unfortunately, I don't think it is just the problem for this administration. It's going back decades that Coptic Christians have been fleeing Egypt. But they do make up 10 percent of the population in Egypt and that's not an insignificant amount of the population.

They have only two people in the senior government, if you can -- they are trying to put together a government. And I would hope that behind the scenes, the Obama administration, through the State Department, is trying to help make that better.

I do wonder about two things, America can't be the world's policeman, I understand that. But who is going to be? And who will stick up for the women and children? There are increasing reports about abductions of women and especially younger Coptic girls who are sexually exploited and forced to convert and someone needs to stand in to protect them. I don't know if he can rely on the government to do that.

TANTAROS: That's the real war on women that they don't talk about.

Eric, virtually every terrorist has passed through some sort of Muslim Brotherhood indoctrination. We have al Qaeda from the Muslim Brotherhood,

that is where they originated.  Mohammed Atta was a member of the


Why does this administration then downplay the Muslim Brotherhood so much and say it's such a great thing when they were going to take over in Egypt?

BOLLING: I'm not sure. Like Dana, I don't want to go there. I don't think it matters.

Here is what matters. Coptic Christians have been persecuted and demonstrated against for decades. It's still going on. We really have to ask, we've done stories like this before and we say where the Muslim community? Where is the outrage? Blah, blah, blah.

But the bottom line is it is great that "60 Minutes" puts this up, it's great that we are talking about it, America needs to understand what is going on over there and maybe at some point -- moderate Muslims, if they are out there, if you are out there, you step up and say stop. It is not happening to Muslims in America, it shouldn't happen to Christians in other countries that we recognize as democracy.

TANTAROS: What do you think, Bob?

BECKEL: I think it is one of the more outrageous, disgraceful, disgusting displays of anti-Christianity I've seen anywhere, go around for a thousand years. The Coptics were there before the Muslims were there.

In fact they called Egypt Copt.

So, and not only that -- it's not just churches. They are doing this to businesses. They're doing this to schools. They're doing it to people on the streets. And this on top of the military saying, oh, we're going to defend the Coptics.

And what happens now? The courts have made decisions where they took some Coptics where a Muslim was killed and they give them life sentences, and yet five Christians were killed, and they gave nothing to anybody.

They didn't try to prosecute it.

It is selective. It is anti-Christian. It is perpetrated by the Muslims. It's perpetrated by radical Muslims, and the Egypt judiciary are cowards. They stand up and they are afraid to hard penalty against the Muslims.

And I'll tell you one thing -- Eric is right, we don't do that here and some people may think they should to do here. But you ought to stop doing it. You are tired of it. Use your sense. They were there before you were.

TANTAROS: Should we declare them a terrorist organization, Bob?

BECKEL: Who? Egyptians? Anybody who participates in that ought to be done what Mohammed said, put their head on a blocking chop.

TANTAROS: The government of Egypt --

BECKEL: I had more to say but I don't have much time.

TANTAROS: I love when you go off like this. The interim government of Egypt considers them a terror organization, why don't we? Why doesn't the United States?

GUTFELD: Well, here's the problem -- America did cut a Coptic Christian in bars. He's the filmmaker who made that anti-Muslim film. So, we're guilty, too.

TANTAROS: That's very true.

Next, the mega million dollar lottery could turn into a billion dollar lottery if nobody wins tonight? So, do you want to know why they're getting so big? It's not an accident. We'll explain why when we come back.


BECKEL: Christmas is coming and won't it be sweet to win the $636 million jackpot tonight? I don't know about you, but I bought a ticket. I hate to say that, but I did. The Mega Millions pot keeps growing, and it could climb to a billion dollars by Christmas if no one wins tonight.

There's a lot of discussion about how this hurts poor people than other people. There is a doctor that -- there's a doctor who gives this -- let's pull this up first. Here's a doctor explaining why this is such a good thing.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The proceeds go to necessary programs that states have that otherwise they would be having taxes for. It's like "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" and the magic of that when you were a child. The idea that anybody, rich or poor, any corner of the earth, if you've got the winning ticket, it's you.


BECKEL: And Eric, what's the chance of you getting that winning ticket?

BOLLING: One in 275 million, I believe now, because they upped the odds, making it more difficult. That's why the jackpot keeps getting bigger.

But if you want to debate the merits of lottery, there aren't very many. You put a dollar in. The state takes at best 50 percent, maybe more sometimes. And half of the other winnings go back to you. It's a bad == it's a losing proposition -- it's basically a tax or you could have some fun with it and say, "Look, if I won, I'd do this with it, and I would tithe and I'd give you guys all some money."

BECKEL: That's very nice of you. How about you, Dana?

PERINO: I've been, because I've been kind of hurting.

BECKEL: That Upper West Side paycheck thing.

PERINO: The thing about this is that I was never allowed to gamble, so I don't know.

BECKEL: Gee, that's not too bright.

PERINO: I never -- I never think I'm going to win so I don't participate, but I probably should buy a ticket tonight, I guess.

Greg, do you buy tickets for this?

GUTFELD: No. I'll tell you why. It's a flaw in human thinking. The idea it could be me who wins. Well, yes, you could also be murdered.

If you wish to beat the odds to win lotto, be aware that the odds of being murdered and hit by lightning are higher. So in a sense, you do not want to root for life's randomness, because your life's randomness is actually deadlier than it is helpful. And if you sit here and you go, "I really hope I win the lottery," you're going to get run over by a bus, because that's more likely to happen. Do not root for life's randomness, because it's against you. Life's randomness is evil and deadly.

BECKEL: Well, they'd close down the whole lottery system, I guess.

GUTFELD: Can afford the lottery.

BECKEL: But what would you do with that if you won all that money?

TANTAROS: I think life's randomness is what allowed five people to be sitting around the table on a hit talk show. We're pretty darn lucky, if you look at the odds of all the people in the United States of America.

GUTFELD: And then there's a plane somewhere with five people who just went into the mountains.

BECKEL: And lightning is going to hit you when you walk out the door.

GUTFELD: Randomness is not a good thing.

TANTAROS: You know when I play? I play when it's not a big Mega Million. Like, I'll just see the little, you know, $12 million, little 12 million. I'll see on the sign. "Oh, you know what? I'm going to go in today, because a lot of people probably aren't playing." That's when I play.

BOLLING: We are very fortunate here. All five of us, six of us here.

GUTFELD: Except for Dana.

BOLLING: We know we are lucky. I have a hunch winning the lottery would actually be worse for any one of us individually.

PERINO: Oh, no, I'd never see you people again. I would be in South Carolina so fast.

BECKEL: I'll tell you, as you well know...

BOLLING: theAre you kidding, you wouldn't be on "The Five"?

GUTFELD: You would get up in the middle of the show. You wouldn't even look back.

PERINO: I'd be out of here!

GUTFELD: You won't even look back.

BECKEL: She would -- she'd wire this whole place to do get Wi-Fi and would stay.

The -- I'm a gambler, as you all know. And I like to gamble on a lot of things think I have a chance at: the horse track, poker, a few other things. I play Kino, which is a lot of fun, but this.

BOLLING: Kino is fun.

BECKEL: But this -- this is the first time I bought a lottery ticket.

PERINO: Would you still work if you won?

BECKEL: Oh, yes, sure.

TANTAROS: I would, too.

PERINO: I would work from my screened-in porch.

GUTFELD: People who do win the lottery, though, their lives go to hell. Nobody ever has a good life.

PERINO: You are so negative. That is so not true.

GUTFELD: You've got to read it.


BECKEL: "One More Thing" is up next, and I hope Greg wins the lotto.


BOLLING: All righty. Time for "One More Thing," and Mr. Robert Beckel, you lead it off.

BECKEL: I'm still outraged. I've got to get to it very quickly.

This was the anniversary of the Wilbur and Orville Wright flight in Kitty Hawk December 17.

But I want to get back to the Coptic things for a second. The next time a Christian child dies in your country, you get no more aid. Zero, none.

And I want to repeat my thing I said before that was so controversial.

Come at me with it. No more student visas for Muslim students until we find those that are missing in this country. And beyond that, if you're going to continue to do this, if your prophet was for this, then let us know about it. Right? The reason you don't speak out about it is because you're cowards, because you're afraid of the Islamists.


PERINO: Hear, hear.

BECKEL: Punks.

BOLLING: And you're up.

TANTAROS: I don't know how I segue from that. But the last year Rush finally was inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame finally, and this year other favorites have been inducted, including Hall and Oates. Yes.

Hall and Oates was inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. And also -- this is a shocker -- KISS.


TANTAROS: It took this long for KISS to be inducted. Linda Ronstadt is another one.

PERINO: Maybe Little KISS will get next year.

TANTAROS: Nirvana.

BOLLING: All right.

TANTAROS: And Peter Gabriel, another surprise.

PERINO: I thought you were going to say Rush Limbaugh. I didn't know he...

TANTAROS: No, the band rush.

PERINO: Got it.

GUTFELD: Oh, Dana.

BOLLING: Very good.

PERINO: I know. Rush isn't much for rock 'n' roll.

BOLLING: D., you're up.

PERINO: OK. I saw this cool thing this morning on BBC News and decided to bring it to you. There's a guy named Simon Beck, and he's making amazing art, geometric art. And he does it all by his skis. He used to be -- he used to orient maps. That was his passion. I don't know if you can see these really well.

But if you're up on a chair lift and you're going to go skiing, you can see some of these amazing things that he does all by himself. He maps them all out and then he does the skiing.

And he has -- he let us know that his feet are in a bad way, but if he keeps off the front of his feet, things aren't too bad, and he's able to do this amazing snow art. So you'll -- if you go on our website, you can see more of Simon Beck's work.

GUTFELD: I bet you see a lot of that snow art on vacation, huh?

PERINO: I don't get vacation.

BOLLING: All right. I'm up. If you saw us the other day, we have -- we picked our secret Santas. I can't say who my secret Santa is, but I want some suggestions. So will you hit me up on Facebook and Twitter?

Here's the address.

Let me know some of your ideas for some of the people on "The Five."

It could be Andrea. It could be Bob, could be Dana, could be Greg or it could be Kimberly. Let me know what you think. Should be semi- (UNINTELLIGIBLE). It's Secret Santa.

PERINO: Is it me?

BOLLING: It might be. I've had you, like, two years ago.

PERINO: I know. And I got my wine, like, eight months later.

BOLLING: Well, you did get it. Right?

PERINO: I got it. 

BECKEL: Greg, did you have...

BOLLING: You're up, Gregory.

GUTFELD; Oh. You know what? I had -- I was going to talk about how vitamins are a waste of time. I love this, because -- a waste of time.

Don't take vitamins. It's expensive urine.

But I want to talk about the fact, when I was talking about the lottery earlier. A guy had just won a Howard Stern contest in which -- he was an 84-year-old grandfather. He won this contest with a date with two

women. He was very excited about it. It was a once in a million thing.  

He choked to death hours before the date on a steak in Harrah's.

BOLLING: And that thereby proves your theory from the B-block, I believe it was or C-block.

GUTFELD: Yes, life -- life...

BECKEL: You know about the vitamins, you think they are a waste of time and you say they are like a urine. Doesn't there a group that drinks urine?


BECKEL: There is?

GUTFELD: Yes, they're called Democrats.

BECKEL: That is funny. Then Republicans do the other.


PERINO: Don't eat the yellow snow.

BOLLING: That's what we've got. Don't forget, set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll be back here tomorrow with Charles Krauthammer, special guest for the entire hour. You're going to see it right here.

"Special Report" on deck. Guess who's going to be on that one?

PERINO: Is there really people?

BOLLING: How did we get there?

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