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Can celebrity star power boost ObamaCare enrollment?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 12, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City -- and this is "The Five."

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PERINO: ObamaCare doesn't have much appeal to the American people. The White House is trying to change that by bringing in the so called sexiest man alive. Not Greg Gutfeld, no.

To turn the tide, they went to that's right, Maroon Five singer Adam Levine to kick off you the social media campaign along with other stars to try to get people to enroll. The effort is called "Tell a Friend -- Get Covered." Other celebrities include Wilmer Valderrama, Fran Drescher, and Pitbull.

Here's a video put out for today's launch.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you need that new health care? Sign up because it's hot. Sign up because it's hot. Sign up because it's hot. I'm commander-in-chief plus I've got this health care which has got it going on.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Oh wow. I hadn't seen that.

OK. Greg --

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yes.

PERINO: -- when you hear from Adam Levine --

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: -- who I know you have great tremendous respect for --

GUTFELD: Absolutely.

PERINO: When you -- if he were to tell you to go buy health insurance, would you run or sprint?

GUTFELD: Well, that's a tough -- that's a tough choice. Here's a fun Adam Levine fact people don't know. Only dogs and lonely women respond to the high pitch squeal of his annoying voice. I'm actually happy he's involved in this with the government that means less time to put out crappy music.

But I want to put out a serious point act jerks. They've got to stop calling themselves artists and start calling themselves propagandists. Because now they're modern mouthpiece or they're actually socialist Stooges.

They're exactly what George Orwell warned us against, and they're entertainers. Entertainers are supposed to be rebels. They're supposed to be speaking truth to power. They're tonguing power, they're embarrassing.

PERINO: They're kissing power.

GUTFELD: They're kissing power. I'm glad you edited me.

PERINO: All right. Andrea, it's not a bad idea for young people to get health insurance. That's a lofty goal some conservatives say there's better ways to do that. But do you think President Obama has any chance of changing the law of economics by using celebrities to pitch health care?

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: No, I don't. I mean, young people love music but they love money even more. And they're not stupid.

I mean, these videos I think expect young kids to just follow along. I don't think they will. They're smart enough to know that paying the penalty is much less than paying that premium. It was the same issue in Massachusetts.

What I don't understand is why Adam Levine wants to get involved when there are so many problems. Why his agents doesn't say, why are you doing? Getting involved with a Web site and a policy that could be pretty risky?

And I guarantee this day, Dana, if you ask Adam about Obama care, he probably knows nothing about it.

PERINO: Well, and, Eric, they're never going to have to worry about it. They'll be all -- Adam Levine will always have enough money to take care of himself.

Now, that doesn't mean he doesn't have empathy for others that don't have it. So, I could see where he's trying to -- I guess I see where he's trying to help here. But the point about the penalty, you've been talking about this a few months. You think the penalty being so long this is actually going to be an issue that's forced to the table come January?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yes, I think it has to be. Because the numbers they put out today, 365,000 enrollees -- not enrollees, I'm wrong - - 365,000 have chosen the plan. We don't know if any have paid for insurance yet or are going to be insured January 1st.

To the point of the fees, the tax, it has to go. Number one, it has to go up. And number two, the IRS is going to have to find out a way to collect the tax. Right now, it's just a tax credit. If you are owed a refund, they'll take it off your refund. It's $95 or 1 percent of your AGI, adjusted gross income. That's a joke. No one is going to do it. No one is going to overpay your taxes. You're going to underpay your taxes and not have to deal with that tax.

Can I just point something out about what, here's so Adam Levine is in our intro. The rap video is in our intro. Lady Gaga has pitched this thing. You know, it goes on and on.

If the product were good -- sign up like it's hot? You wouldn't have to do these kind of things. Where's the rap videos for the iPhone? Where's Lady Gaga and Adam Levine selling the iPhone? They're not doing it --

PERINO: They don't have to.

BOLLING: -- because this is a product that sells itself. ObamaCare needs a lot of help.

PERINO: Bob, let me ask you. Do you think that Democrats in general or this White House in particular puts too much faith in Hollywood to try to turn the tide on a policy matter rather than just like the -- I can understand bringing them out for the presidential election and getting people excited. But on the policy matters, can Hollywood make much difference?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: First of all, I don't know who Adam Levine is, except my accountant's name is Adam Levine and --

PERINO: Is your accountant the sexiest man alive?

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BECKEL: I don't know, pit ball (ph) --

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: Pitbull, not ball.

BECKEL: Pitbull.

Look, use anything you can use. I mean, what's the deal? I don't understand why -- then again we had a tremendously high rated show yesterday on a lot less serious than this. But I mean, I -- look, here's the good news, 71 million Americans are benefiting right now as we sit here from ObamaCare.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Prescription drugs, kids who get it on their parent's insurance policy --

BOLLING: No one has it yet, Bob.

BECKEL: Yes, they do.

BOLLING: It doesn't kick in until next year.

BECKEL: It does right now.

BOLLING: In the anticipation of ObamaCare, insurance companies preemptively allowed --

BECKEL: No, they were forced to do it. Don't you remember it?

BOLLING: My point is that's a free market decision. The real mandate kicks in January 1st.

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BECKEL: Yes, but this -- when they first passed -- you guys were all complaining because they put neat stuff up front and all hard stuff was after.

PERINO: Well, two things that they had to announce today was Medicare cuts that are coming that they put through the bill that will be a surprise to a lot of seniors. And the second thing is they actually had to extend the pre-existing condition program because they've only had 365,000 people select a plan. That means they don't have enough people to cover, the pre- existing conditions that were supposed to be funded through the bill. So, they've had to extend that.

Greg, I want to get your take on this. You mentioned it yesterday.

In Oregon --

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: -- they spent over $300 million to sign up 44 people. It's like Solyndra, health care style.

GUTFELD: This is almost an achievement. This is like the Apollo moon shot of incompetence, the eighth wonder of the world is actually Obama's incompetence -- $300 million to sign up 44. That's government math.

That means you can never spend enough for nothing. The only way you can spend more money on less is if you air dropped all that money on a group of meth heads. I don't know how you can do this. It's weird. It's like --

BECKEL: Just as the Defense Department.

GUTFELD: I used to think that President Barack Obama spreads the weather, but he actually burns it. Maybe this was his idea of green energy, is burning American money.

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BECKEL: Are you this articulate about the Defense Department budget and all the --

GUTFELD: You know what the interesting thing is, I do believe that there's overspending in the Defense Department, but it works. It actually works.

TANTAROS: You know who would be absolutely rich? "The Wall Street Journal" had a great editorial today, which I think highlighted some important statistics, right?

So, 4.5 million people have lost their health insurance due to ObamaCare. Now, if you believe the inflated numbers of HHS, 1.2 million have signed up. It's what, 800,000 and 365,000 respectively with those Medicaid enrollees involved, right? You look at this. If that's the anemic rate increasing, I would encourage Republicans to put pressure on Kathleen Sebelius to give us that number.

As of January 1st, I believe more people will have lost their health insurance than actually gained health insurance.

Could you -- could you imagine if the outcome of the bill that was supposed to get everybody covered right -- Adam Levine, the only thing he knows how to get models into bed. He's somebody going to get people into the exchanges.

PERINO: Well, there is that.

TANTAROS: Well, he does know how to do that. That's great. But he's not going to be able to get them into the exchanges. Actually does the opposite of what intended.

BECKEL: I thought it was 10 million you all said about a week.

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TANTAROS: There will be so many more. I'm saying as of now, Bob.

BOLLING: This is how it works. There's 5.48 million people have lost their insurance.

PERINO: Plans.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Plans, 5.48 million plans. So, it could be 10 million people. We don't know how many people.

However, the reason why we know now, Bob, is because there's a certain amount of time insurance companies have to tell people if they're going to throw them off January 1st, they've got to let them know by November, whatever date it is.

Here's the problem, though. They're clearly there won't be as many signed up for ObamaCare, nowhere near the number. A year from now when the employer mandate kicks in, right around November, they sneakily push it back after the election, but right around, the week after the election, we're going to find out how many employees are going to throw their people off, and that number could be 80 million or 90 million plans or more.

BECKEL: Let's wager right now how many people will not have insurance next year.

BOLLING: More than have it now.

TANTAROS: Yes.

BECKEL: Well, sure.

BOLLING: What do you mean sure --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: You think January 1, 10 million people aren't going to have insurance.

BOLLING: My point is it's a mandate. But now, fewer people --

BECKEL: I'm going to buy emergency (ph) care stock if that's the case, because they're going to be lining up outside of emergency room.

BOLLING: Liberal math, liberal math.

BECKEL: Liberal math, my a --

BOLLING: Uh-oh.

TANTAROS: You keep touting this prescription drug benefit. Bob, that is a huge issue you that didn't get a lot of coverage this week. The insurance companies are jacking up cost of prescription drugs so that people who thought they could get coverage for pre-existing conditions are now paying exponential more for drugs. It's an adverse selection, way for insurance companies to not cover high risk people. And Obama is going along with it.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: And Obama is going along with it because he doesn't want the enrollment to go down even further.

BOLLING: Can I jump in here quickly? Our crack producer Austin (ph) just told us that "PolitiFact" just released their lie of the year for 2013. Do you know what it is?

PERINO: Yes! If you want your plan --

BOLLING: If you want to keep your doctor, and keep your plan, you can keep your doctor and your plan.

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BOLLING: "PolitiFact's" Lie of the year.

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BOLLING: Timing is everything.

PERINO: And we could have played a sound bite but we don't have time about -- from David Axelrod's, the president's former advisor and consultant. Now, he said that President Obama has been honest about ObamaCare, he just should not have spoke in absolutes. Can you really have it both ways?

GUTFELD: Bob often does have it both ways.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: ObamaCare has done for government what Henneberg has done for blimps (ph). This is a great opportunity for the Republican Party. They've already got a platform. It should be -- let's start over and pretend this never happened.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: And America would be so happy just say, can we pretend like this is Bobby Ewing in "Dallas". All of a sudden America wakes up and Bobby Ewing is in the shower going did that really happen in ObamaCare? It didn't really happen.

Or it's like a giant take the United States like a giant etch-a- sketch. Just shake it and start over. That should be the Republican platform.

BECKEL: The thing about "Dallas", can I shoot you?

GUTFELD: Yes. It should be with love.

PERINO: What he said earlier about you, if you asked was a shot?

BECKEL: Yes.

PERINO: I thought it was a compliment.

TANTAROS: I did, too.

BOLLING: Really?

BECKEL: What was it?

GUTFELD: I don't remember.

PERINO: We'll move on because I want to bring it back up.

All right. Special programming note, set your DVR for next Wednesday, December 18th. Charles Krauthammer is going to come back to "The Five". He will join us live on the set the for the entire hour. That will be must- see TV. Bob cannot wait.

BECKEL: One of Mondale's great, great --

PERINO: Ah, Bob!

All right. Coming up, the Golden Globe nominations are in. And Eric has the list. One of the hottest shows got snubbed. We're going to tell you which one when we come back.

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BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody. We've got three hot topics for you. Nine minutes of cool commentary.

First up, Golden Globe nominations out today. Pick your movie, pick your actor, pick your TV series, don't pick your nose.

I'll start with what didn't make it. Best show on TV, "Homeland", threw up an air ball. Nothing, nada, zilch. My favorite TV.

Let's bring it around the table.

Andrea, any surprises last night ,or this morning, I think, right?

TANTAROS: I thought a big surprise was that Oprah Winfrey's "The Butler" wasn't nominated. People are talking about that. That it was a snub. It was kind of a weird list of nominations.

But "Breaking Bad", I love that show. They happened to get two nominations.

Cate Blanchett, I think she's the best actress, or one of the best actresses in Hollywood. She got a nomination. But I thought that it was interesting. Netflix received more nominations than ABC, NBC and CBS. Ever since the non-network shows and it's kind of started with "The Shield", and FX, "Nip/Tuck", started with these shows, it's really moved off of network TV. And I think it's going to be hard for network TV to keep up with Netflixes of the world that have so much freedom to really just show what they want and a lot of dough.

BOLLING: A lot of money, a lot green to do it. Yes, they sell those for a ton of bucks.

What about your, Mr. Beckel? Your series, something you like?

BECKEL: First of all, why do we care a bunch of foreigners vote about on Golden Globes? It's a bunch of foreign reporters. I mean, who cares?

Secondly, I went down through this list and not one of them except Dana turned me on to "House of Cards ". The one thing I like in Kevin Spacey, whatever his name is, he was great, by the way, in that movie where he put the head in the --

GUTFELD: "Seven"?

BECKEL: "Seven", that was great.

GUTFELD: Way to ruin. That was the end of the movie, Bob.

BECKEL: But anyway, that's only the rest of them. Honest to God, except for the babe that did the -- the good looking woman, the prostitute who walked down the stairs -- what was that movie?

BOLLING: "Pretty Woman"?

BECKEL: "Pretty Woman", yes.

TANTAROS: "Bob Beckel, the movie".

BECKEL: Except for her and Spacey, I don't know any the rest of these people.

BOLLING: Dana, you also like "House of Cards"?

PERINO: I love "House of Cards". I watch it. That was the binge watching. Remember, that was the word on the Oxford Dictionary. It was one of the new words. I loved it.

Even if you worked in Washington, a lot of people work in Washington said, oh, they don't want to watch because it's not realistic. It's realistic enough. But it's also -- it's great drama. I made Bob watch it, and he loved it.

I'll tell you the show that didn't get a nomination that and should have, it's "Justified ". It starts next week or in January. It's great. If you haven't watched "Justified", you got to go back to the beginning and see Timothy --

BECKEL: That's part of the problem with these series is if you don't go top beginning, you're lost jumping in the second or third season.

GUTFELD: Yes, I was really disappointed. I watched "TV Land" and "Welcome Back Carter", "Happy Days", "Barney Miller", and none of them were on the list.

PERINO: That's amazing.

GUTFELD: It is.

PERINO: They got robbed.

GUTFELD: I'm with Bob though. I think there are too many award shows. I think they're there to remind the rich and famous that they're still special. The job should be enough, don't you think?

BECKEL: Isn't there something called People's Choice?

GUTFELD: Yes, there is.

BECKEL: Yes, good, I'll be waiting for that.

BOLLING: That's the one you want to talk about?

BECKEL: What about the show that was on --

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: "Boardwalk Empire", a great show.

BECKEL: It didn't get nominations?

GUTFELD: Also "Portlandia". Probably -- my favorite show, "Portlandia," it didn't -- I don't think it got anything.

BOLLILNG: You know what's strange, "The Wolf of Wall Street" doesn't come out another for 10 days and it's nominated.

PERINO: Boy, boy, doesn't it sound like a family friendly movie?

GUTFELD: There's a bunch of movies that are out. "Her "got nominated and "American Hustle" got nominated. Nobody has seen it.

BECKEL: But don't they dump them all in December so they don't compete with the --

BOLLING: Well, they try to get in under the window so that they can - -

BECKEL: "Wolf of Wall Street" was great.

GUTFELD: Movies are bad.

BOLLING: Let's see this one. Next up, Hollywood heartthrob George Clooney finally showing some common sense.

TANTAROS: It's not out yet.

BECKEL: That's the book.

BOLLING: Releasing this video in support of a Ukrainian opposition group who want democracy and free trade for the former Soviet republic.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE CLOONEY, ACTOR: Let me just say this to all of you in the square in Kiev, or all around Ukraine -- when you look to West, know that we are looking back at you with great admiration. We wish you a peace and safe mission. We wish you the government that you want and we wish the strength to carry on. Good luck.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right, Bobby, you jump on that?

BECKEL: Yes, I congratulate him for doing this. Why our government is not more publicly doing this.

And the other thing about the Ukraine is, the Soviet Union has been suppressing Ukrainians from the beginning. They took them early because they got huge agricultural lands, all their oil and gas lines go through there.

Putin doesn't want them to be close to the West. The people there want to get close to the West. They want do a trade deal with the West. And Putin is saying no. It's basically a back deal with Soviet Union.

I admire these people for what they're doing. And that punk that runs the country who -- I shouldn't say be assassinated because that's only --

BOLLING: Don't say that. You didn't mean that at all.

But you guys both mentioned this yesterday and it made some very good point. This will be a great opportunity. Where's the U.S. helping the Ukraine?

PERINO: I'm dismayed by it. I loved President Bush's freedom agenda. It's one of the things that attracted me to work in administration.

BECKEL: Did you work in the administration?

PERINO: It's not that I don't think President Barack Obama would like to see democracy flourish, but they've got themselves painted in the corner that they need Putin for so many things. They have not done any hip checks against Putin at all.

So, they have to use all this wizly (ph) language like we're very concerned and we hope they would respect views. Perhaps maybe there's something going on behind the scenes, but I can of doubt it. And in the meantime, you also have a humanitarian disaster happening in Syria. And if president -- I don't see how this the White House doesn't get tagged with responsibility for foreign disasters?

BOLLING: Greg?

GUTFELD: Yes. I mean, where is our Clooney? That's Obama. He's our Clooney.

And Putin cleaned his clock all year, just embarrassed him. Embarrassed him.

PERINO: Yes.

GUTFELD: I mean he embarrassed him with Syria and he embarrassed him with Snowden. This is the perfect opportunity to do the right thing, but also mess with Putin.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Well, maybe if the Muslim Brotherhood or al Qaeda joined the Ukrainian freedom and democracy forces, maybe our president would pick up you and his interest would be piqued to get involved.

Look, there's no foreign policy from this administration. And that's why when we talked about what Assad was doing and how Putin was the crux of everything and now, he wants to build the pipeline up so he can control the oil, and President Obama bungled that thing, that's why this type of thing matters, because again, there probably is something happening.

BOLLING: All right. We've got to get this in. We have to get this in. This is the dessert. Finally, the personal -- my personal favorite, our gaffe-tastic vice president at it again.

Before we roll this, remember the Super Bowl will be played February 2nd. It will be played at MetLife Stadium, and MetLife Stadium is most definitely in New Jersey. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSEPH BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What part of New Jersey you from?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right by Giants stadium, Mr. Vice President.

BIDEN: All right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Home of the Super Bowl.

BIDEN: Home of the Super Bowl, all right. Maybe not this year. We're going to talk about that.

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Bob, any self respected football fan knows, it doesn't matter what teams are in the Super Bowl it's going to be played there.

BECKEL: You know, it's just -- he really is the gift that keeps on giving to you guys, doesn't he?

I mean, it's -- obviously, the guy was talking about -- he thought he was talking about the Giants game. It will be a long time for this.

But I want to know why the hell the Super Bowl got to New Jersey in the middle of the winter?

BOLLING: All right.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Ands?

TANTAROS: Is he a known football fan, though? I mean, he's from Delaware. So, I mean --

BOLLING: He talks about -- I remember him talking about -- didn't he pick the Ravens last year? I remember getting involved a little bit. No?

TANTAROS: I don't think he's known to know football. I'm cutting Joe a little slack.

BOLLING: Is that cutting slack by saying he doesn't know --

GUTFELD: Whatever Joe says interestingly enough sounds great. If he was your doctor and told you, you had three weeks to live. He'd say, hey, have a great day, and he was just walk out. He'd go, you got brain cancer and Alzheimer's. Got to go. Take care. And you'd just go, OK. See you later.

PERINO: I can't think of anything. I had a good point before.

GUTFELD: Say your good point.

BECKEL: You just forget, right?

PERINO: I'll make a Vice President Biden point.

On the diplomacy issue, just going on the Ukrainian piece, the other thing that the United States, if they don't want to get directly involved with Putin, they could work behind the scenes to try to pull together European leaders to stand together to push back against Putin. But we're not everyone doing that.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Great point.

PERINO: It was such a great point at the time. It wasn't after the Super Bowl thing.

BOLLING: We've got to go.

BECKEL: We've got to go? I was going to talk some --

BOLLING: No, we're done.

BECKEL: Yes, we're done. Let's get back to the golden goose.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: The whacky sign language guy, you know, from the Mandela memorial is now blaming his schizophrenic episode for his hand signal gibberish. We're going to hear about that in a just a minute or so.

BECKEL: In just a minute or so?

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GUTFELD: You've got to admit the fake sign language guy at Mandela's memorial might be the funniest thing to happen at a funeral ever. I cannot hear that story enough. Sadly, the people he was signing for couldn't hear at all.

So, yes, he -- except for one little thing, our president could have (INAUDIBLE). You think I'm exaggerating. Look how close the self described schizophrenic is to the leader of the free world. I admit the whole thing is priceless, but it could have been poison.

The guy was hearing voices, hallucinating, and seeing angels, basically no different than your average MSNBC host, but there were a hundred world leaders, plus this mentally unstable guy. No wonder he fit in.

But seriously, how does this happen? Never mind the handshake, the selfies, the booing, this is nuts. You're a major country and you can't even find a legitimate interpreter for the funeral of your most beloved son.

Seriously, South Africa, get yourself together.

Lastly, I know you're all curious as to what the interpreter was actually signing up there. I'll tell you. It was thank God South Africa doesn't have ObamaCare.

I had to work that in, Bob.

BECKEL: I know you did. Every segment we work that in.

GUTFELD: Exactly, exactly.

Bob, funny story but scary don't you think?

BECKEL: It's scary. I mean, I don't understand how -- first of all who hires the guy? I mean, who's responsible --

GUTFELD: The company disappeared.

BECKEL: Most presidents, when they have advanced party will check this stuff, right? We went through this. And they'd say, who is this guy? Secret Service will say, who is this guy? This guy is standing right through -- by the way, I will say this -- I looked at head of Denmark or whoever she was, I would have gotten a selfie with her too.

GUTFELD: Of course, you would, Bob, but that was the story we did yesterday.

PERINO: Instead, you took one with me yesterday.

BECKEL: Yes, I did. That was good.

GUTFELD: Andrea, how do you think this could have happened? Do you have any theories?

TANTAROS: Well, the Secret Service -- I don't know. Did they not vet him? If I were the president I'd be furious about this because this happened before at the White House. Remember those defunct washed up reality stars that crashed the party at the White House?

GUTFELD: Right, the Salahis?

TANTAROS: Yes. So, you'd think they would have learned their lesson, especially because of the seating arrangement. He was so close to the president. But it does sound like nobody did their job to really find out who he was.

OK, he's a schizophrenic, he's manic, he's dangerous. Besides that, he doesn't even know sign language.

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: So, how did he get in to begin with? It would be like hiring me to do it?

BECKEL: Does anybody know what he's saying?

GUTFELD: No. That's the problem I guess.

BOLLING: Do we have Dr. Kimmel (ph)?

GUTFELD: Yes, we do.

BOLLING: He interprets it.

GUTFELD: Kimmel does a fine job at this. Show it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello. Welcome so far.

Well, cigarettes join bringing in different to you. A circle. I would like to pray this offering. Basically this is fun. All of these balls to prove this is good. I'm sorry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does this guy know sign language at all?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, not at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Amazing, he could have been the sign language star for the White House.

BOLLING: Yes, that's --

(LAUGHTER)

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Your point is well-taken. All of your points, that where is heck is the advanced team? That's what they're supposed to do, right? Make sure anyone in close proximity of the president has been vetted.

I mean, I guess it has to go further than making sure he can sign. Did anyone frisk him?

GUTFELD: I think they -- they can't find the company that they hired him from. They have no idea where he is.

BECKEL: To say this for the Secret Service, when you go to countries like this, they have a difficult time getting this, because the host country says we've got that taken care of. They have huge arguments about that.

BOLLING: It's like Healthcare.gov.

BECKEL: The way you describe this guy, wouldn't you say he was psychotic?

TANTAROS: He was a maniac.

BECKEL: That's what I was when I was drinking. It's the same thing.

GUTFELD: That's interesting, Dana.

TANTAROS: I bet you made more sense than he did.

PERINO: I think -- South Africa had to pull this together very quickly. They should have had funeral plans beforehand. They don't have the means and capability to do that, I get that.

They don't have the official interpreter? I was curious.

That also that it took so long for people to realize that -- finally it was somebody in South Africa who is deaf said this doesn't make any sense and blew the lid on it. Unfortunately, this is what you remember about the funeral.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: And if you really want them to learn about Nelson Mandela, the best thing is not watch that but go back and read the speech.

BECKEL: That's exactly. That's the sad part.

GUTFELD: You were going to throw to something cute.

PERINO: Want to see somebody that really knows sign language?

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: Check out 5-year-old Claire Koch who signed for her family during the Christmas concert she was in.

BOLLING: That's good.

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PERINO: That's how you do it. She's adorable.

She is able to speak and hear. Her parents are hearing impaired. The mother posted that video.

BOLLING: But the president, if you were going to visit little school, she would be escorted out and couldn't get close to the president.

PERINO: Why?

BECKEL: Because she'd try to kiss his hand.

GUTFELD: Bringing back to another story, outrage after outrage. A rich teen who killed four people driving drunk gets probation instead of prison after lawyers use the affluenza defense? Family members of his victims are justifiably outrage. You're going to hear from one of them, next.

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TANTAROS: Well, did a judge let a 16-year-old that killed four people walk free because his parents are rich?

On Tuesday, a district judge in Texas sentenced Ethan Couch to a decade of provision. On June 15th, he and somebody's got drunk and got behind the wheel. In the process of their drunken joyride, they killed four people and injured nine.

Now, the defense used the psychologist who diagnosed the teen with affluenza, arguing that because he had come from privilege, he didn't know any better. So, what did the victims think about that? Well, here's Eric Boyles who lost his wife and daughter that night.

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ERIC BOYLES: I was unprepared for the sentence that was delivered. My immediate reaction is I'm back to week one. OK, we have accomplished nothing here. This -- my healing process is out the window.

The primary message has to absolutely be that money and privilege can't buy justice in this country. That it's not OK to drink and drive, and kill four people and severely injured another and not have any consequences to that.

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TANTAROS: I don't know if we can adequately, Greg, convey how outrageous the story is just with words. But he was on valium, he had a bunch of teens in the car with him. Four people dead, some people injured.

Is this -- I mean, is this like the worst failing of a judge you've ever seen?

GUTFELD: It's bizarre. You know, in a weird way, I guess as parents you want to provide for your kid every kind of advantage they can have in life. And then, now, they're saying that could be responsible for a crime, you allowing the certain privileges to take part in this guy's life and make his life better, actually turns him into a murderer.

So, the kid gets off by blaming in a sense the parents. So, then, why aren't the parents going to jail? If there was a punishment to the parents, then they would not have pulled this defense.

So, the punishment -- I mean, it was a brilliant move to get the kid off. It's disgusting.

TANTAROS: Dana, the parents said they'll pay $450,000 a year for him to go to treatment in Newport Beach, California which doesn't sound like a hard time.

PERINO: Yes. And guess what? They never have to deal with him again? They'll never have to see him again. He'll go away. And they can move on with their lives while the victim's families are heartbroken.

And as he said, having to go back to square one of the grieving process is horrific. The question about this I have is, I wonder if the psychiatrist got paid and how much he got paid to come up with something like that.

GUTFELD: If the parents came up with the idea, parents should be on trial, right?

TANTAROS: The attorneys came up with it, right? They paid their expert witnesses.

PERINO: Well, the psychiatrist comes up. Yes, the psychiatrist comes with the made up diagnosis.

TANTAROS: The crazy definition.

Eric, the judicial page for this judge, Jean Boyd, doesn't have a picture. It just has Lady Liberty which seems ironic.

BOLLING: Completely ironic.

So, I don't know how this works but I would guess because it's the sentence of this kid, this 16-year-old Ethan Couch, he's sentenced to probation, I'm assuming the courts finally get around and realize how egregious and how ridiculous affluenza really is, it will come back, he must have been convicted right of something, and the sentence was just too lenient. They may be able to come back.

I guess if you're acquitted, they can't double try you again because of double jeopardy and whatnot. But it seems, it strikes as that someone can come back here and really get a real sentence for this kid.

By the way, if you tell the 16-year-old it's OK to get drunk and mow people down, if you're rich, that's going to happen in Texas. There's going to be a lot more Ethan Couches running around and people slaughtered in the streets. Right.

TANTAROS: Bob, how can the victims not appeal the decision by the judge? I mean, I don't -- I can't recall a case where you take four people's lives and it's a slap on the wrist and he gets off and walks away.

BECKEL: You know, I -- first of all, this jerk judge ought to be impeached and thrown in jail, one. Two, there's no such thing as affluenza. Psychiatrists, these terms for things. I know. I got several of them. But at least they're listed under psychiatric.

This guy makes it up, they probably paid him 50,000 bucks to do it. Some rich kid.

Now I actually ask this question -- if that were a black kid, do you think he would get this? Of course not.

I mean, I can't believe it. It just drives me crazy.

Eric is exactly right. The message here for the rest of these kids who listen to this thing, this punk going to be running around and drive again.

GUTFELD: He didn't seem to care after killing those four people.

BECKEL: No, I'm out of here, when they said, oh, you've got to stick around. No, I'm out of here.

TANTAROS: And what kind of message does it send to the victims, too, that they can't get justice, that the one place they're supposed to be able to not have corruption is the courtroom, right?

BECKEL: Too bad they don't have hanging still in Texas.

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BOLLING: I know they want us to go, but I'm going to push back on one thing, the part about the race. If it was a wealthy black kid, they may come up with the same affluenza defense.

BECKEL: That's if they're wealthy.

TANTAROS: Bob, there's corruption in courts in all cities, in Texas, in New Jersey, in all areas. There's corruption in Atlantic City. I'm sure people say that too. The inverse of your point. We've got to go.

BECKEL: There should (INAUDIBLE) be hanging.

TANTAROS: Coming up, the latest development in the wussification of American sports. Baseball is the latest victim. That's right. No more coalitions at home plates.

So, what's next, touch football in the NFL, pillow fights? That discussion, moments away.

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BECKEL: That's by Clash. It was one of the greatest baseball games of all time. Remember when Reds slugger Pete Rose flattened Indians catcher Ray Fosse to score the winning run of the all-star game in 1970? Hold onto that memory, because you're not going to see the likes of that any time soon. Major League Baseball has announced that it intends to ban collisions at home plate by 2015 in hopes to prevent injuries.

Eric, you played this game for a long time. How are they -- A, are they going to call that? And B, it doesn't

BOLLING: It's absolutely insane. It's absolutely insane. It's the wussification of American men, American sports. Are you kidding me? You can't plow the catcher down if he's holding the ball and you need the base? It's been -- it's been in the game forever.

I played short stop, right, for most of my career. Short stop. A guy comes sliding into second base to break up a double play, comes in high and hard. What's the difference? I've got cleat marks in my leg still to this day. What's the difference between that and somebody getting to home plate? It's absolutely ridiculous. You can't throw to the guy anymore?

BECKEL: I mean, this is just -- Eric is exactly right. I can't believe. This is the whole idea of putting the -- first of all, look where catchers are standing. Look where this guy is standing. The whole idea is block the base. Of course you've got to run over him.

TANTAROS: Pete Rose was asked about this, and he said look at that catcher. Catchers are wearing more armor than Humvees in Afghanistan. Some people will say, all right, Fosse was never the same after that.

But I mean, I agree. What is next? Maybe they -- I know, maybe they should stop them before they go on home plate and tap them on the wrist and go, "Excuse me. Coming in through. Make a little room."

Pillow fights? I don't know, underhanded pitches like the president does? It's ridiculous. I think we're a safety-obsessed nation. Just obsessed. And no more fun, no more actual sports. I've never played the game. But it seems ridiculous.

GUTFELD: Don't try to win. Don't try to work so hard.

TANTAROS: Don't hurt anyone.

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BECKEL: This is the intraviral (ph).

PERINO: I was really worried. We have a clip of when Greg was running to home plate and he ran head on into that mouse. We don't have that. It's a great clip. And it was something that I thought of immediately when I heard about this story. I do think the increase of injury is a real problem.

GUTFELD: Dana, I want you to know I didn't run into the mouse. I accidentally fell on it. That's what I told the emergency room physician.

Look, I think this is great. I think this is great finally. We need to make baseball less exciting. It's too much excitement, three hours. Let's take something else out of it that actually breaks up the monotony.

BECKEL: By the way, did you see this video of the month? Did you see that Westminster Dog Show about 10 years ago where that woman was running the dog around and she fell on him?

GUTFELD: Killed him.

BECKEL: Not funny for the dog.

TANTAROS: Killed the dog?

BECKEL: It was a big heavy lady. And you know, they trot them around like that.

PERINO: Good story, Bob.

BECKEL: It was pretty funny. I thought it was funny. I was just thinking about Greg falling on top of a mouse.

OK. "One More Thing" is up next.

Was that in a movie?

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PERINO: All right. It's time now for "One More Thing." I forgot that I was in charge, and I was just about to say something to Greg. But instead I'm going to start with Andrea.

TANTAROS: OK. So what's the best gift you can give someone for Christmas? How about the gift of life?

One woman, Ellen Gardner (ph), a 68-year-old mother of two, needed a kidney transplant. She got on the list in California. She thought it would take eight to ten years, which is typically does.

Then she realized she could join a Web site called MatchingDonors.com. And luckily, a woman names Lisa McCree (ph), a 46-year-old mother and wife of a railroad employee from Pollock, Louisiana, decided to donate a kidney to her. It was only 134 days after she got on that Web site.

More proof that the private sector and nonprofits do it better. And now her surgery will be tomorrow, Friday the 13th, an actual lucky day for her. So what a great thing to do.

BECKEL: You know she was in England, her surgery wouldn't be for 22 years.

TANTAROS: True, Bob. That's absolutely true.

PERINO: Greg, you're next.

GUTFELD: Yes. I want to first salute the unsung heroes of television, the people who help the hearing impaired. The people who do the closed captioning for all of our wonderful shows. But having said that, I like to fool with them a little bit.

And last night on "Red Eye," Tom Shaloub (ph) came up with this idea where we actually say things that come out of the closed captions person's mouth unintentionally, like this for example, where we had him say, "I am the closed caption guy, and I hate that broad."

So what we do is we say that, and then the guy has no choice but to actually write it. And it looks like he has an opinion.

For example, come back to me. Let's do this for "The Five." I'm going to say, "Closed caption guy thinks Dana isn't as cute as Greg and is actually pretty annoying." So take a screen shot of that and send it to "The Five."

PERINO: I love that idea.

GUTFELD: It's a great idea.

PERINO: Closed caption guy thinks Eric's turn is next.

BOLLING: Very quickly, on Twitter today, WhiteHouse.gov released this picture of the president. Check it out. It says "#getcovered because," and he filled in his own thing. But you have an opportunity to fill in your own thing. So here's what we'll do here. Get covered because.

And I'll read some of these. I want to hear what you have to say. You can hit me up on Facebook and Twitter right there. Let me know what you think.

PERINO: I love that.

All right. Bob, the closed caption guy says you're next.

BECKEL: I still can't figure that out. OK, first of all, I want to congratulate our colleague, Megyn Kelly, who has a new show at 9 p.m. She's got one of the best articles -- I'm watching -- best article in the "Washington Post" I've ever seen. And she's fairly conservative, a conservative network. Congratulations, Megyn, you deserve it.

PERINO: That was not. No, no, no, no, no. That wasn't the point of the article. It's that was not...

TANTAROS: Not on either side of the political spectrum.

PERINO: Way to read it.

BECKEL: I was asked to do it. I like her. She's great.

PERINO: It was a great piece. She deserves it.

BECKEL: OK, look, let's go to more important -- not more important but -- don't ever ask me to do this promo stuff again, man. I can't -- All right! I'm doing it.

There's a 16-year-old kid from Quebec. That's in Canada, which is in New Jersey. And his name is David Thibault. Listen to this guy do an Elvis impersonation.

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DAVID THIBAULT, SINGER (singing): I'll have a blue Christmas without you. I'll be so blue just thinking about you.

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BECKEL: Dana's turn, right?

That's what the closed caption guy says.

PERINO: OK. Closed caption guy says I'm next.

If you love Christmas, if you love gingerbread, don't miss Texas A&M's Traditions Club in Bryant, Texas. They won a Guinness World Record, record for the biggest 39,000 cubic foot gingerbread house. It all goes to charity to benefit the Texas Trauma Center.

GUTFELD: You could live in there.

PERINO: Don't forget set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you back here tomorrow.

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