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President criticized for actions at Mandela memorial service

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 10, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."

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BOLLING: Welcome, everybody.

We have some big robust political stories in the news today. ObamaCare from the mind of Larry the Cable Guy in a minute.

But, first, President Obama is taking heat from right wingers like me for doing things with world leaders that we find, well, let's just say questionable. The famous bows to the Saudis, the handshake with dictator Hugo Chavez, and now, this morning, at the Mandela memorial service, our commander-in-chief decided to shake hands with communist Cuban dictator Raul Castro.

Mr. Bob Beckel, President O. sure seems cozy with the commies.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: You know, Eric, I can't believe that you led with that. But since you did, here you are celebrating the death of a guy who has made his mark in the world by talking about reconciliation and peace. And the guy shakes hands with all the leaders who were there, one of them has to be Raul Castro -- you're making that news? I mean, that's bull.

BOLLING: Well, I'm not making news. It happens to be news.

BECKEL: For right wingers, it's news.

BOLLING: No, no, it was all over the news. It's on CNN.

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BOLLING: There are other people who are making commentary about this. But look, when you are going down a line of dignitaries and you see a communist leader, four guys down, don't you say I'm going to say hello or pass over that?

BECKEL: What do you think, he's going to catch communism by shaking hands with him?

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BOLLING: No, no, I think I will guarantee you, in Cuba right now, there's pictures of that handshake all over Cuban TV.

BECKEL: Yes.

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts on that.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Same is true like for Vladimir Putin, for example, out in the world stage. The president met with him. This is slightly different from a couple of reasons. One is I don't think that President Obama -- he didn't seek out this opportunity. I think that it was there.

Now, I remember in 2005 when President Bush went to Argentina for an APEC meeting and the Secret Service did everything they could for getting to the camera shot because they knew Hugo Chavez wanted that picture, so then he could use it for propaganda, to show his people, look how big I am, I got a picture with President Bush. I think the big concern is there is this question about what America's foreign policy is going to be towards Cuba going forward. We know in America, you can look at this and say, he is walking down the line, he's trying to be polite. He shook the hand, he moved on.

People who ask, well, why didn't he bring up Alan Gross? The American prison being held there. If you watch it, it happens too quickly. I guess the president could have told his team to make sure that he wasn't in a position to have to say hello to him, but it looks like it was difficult to do so.

BOLLING: You know, I believe the White House made a statement saying just that, that he didn't plan it and didn't expect to see Castro. But, you know, that's what we heard about the bow, that's what we heard about the Hugo Chavez handshake when -- remember when Hugo Chavez brought his book to President Obama and he shook his hand?

Eventually, Ands, you've got to stop making excuses for the president. You want to shake the hand or you don't want to do it.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Why put yourself in those positions? I remember traveling overseas with a group of congresswomen and there was a foreign leader there that was running for Congress and we didn't know that he happened to have some terror ties, rumored terror ties. He did everything he could to get a picture, so as Dana points out, he could put it on the front page of the newspaper the next day, and look like he had an endorsement from the United States of America.

So, I just wonder, Eric, why don't they anticipate these things and better plan? I think it is because they don't care all that much.

BOLLING: OK. Greg, your thoughts. By the way, Bob, just have an e- mail from Jay Carney --

BECKEL: No, it was from the May 5th committee, the communists --

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BOLLING: Greg?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Passing the commie germs through the handshake is working. I'm with Bob on this one.

You know, this is a memorial service for Nelson Mandela. I think you look kind of small if this is the story you do. If you're quibbling on crap like this, when it's actually a larger story -- and also, President Obama would make it about himself if he chose not to shake the hand. That takes away from -- he could just move through and shake the hand and move on.

If he doesn't do that, then that becomes the story and that's not the story that should be reported. The story should be here's the memorial service, these world leaders, whether you like them or not, there they are. But I just think -- I think it's a petty -- this is a petty story to me.

BOLLING: All right. Well -- go ahead.

BECKEL: I was going to say, to follow up on what Dana said. I think the real issue here is what happens with Cuba. It was going to become a huge economic zone for the United States once Raul and Fidel are gone and it will become a quasi-democratic country --

GUTFELD: We keep hearing that, Bob, though.

BECKEL: Huh?

GUTFELD: We keep hearing that thing.

BECKEL: Well, that's because they still live. I mean, Castro is living forever.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: Well, I think the human rights violations against the people of Cuba also Mugabe is in the picture from Zimbabwe.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: I mean, if you go to a funeral like that --look President Abbas got cheered at the event. George W. Bush got booed at the event. I mean, lots of strange things happening there.

The celebration of the life of Mandela was the point. But I do think that the reason people are curious about the Cuba piece is because we don't know what the policy is going to be moving forward. If there's going to be a move to lift the embargo and you're going to have bipartisan members of Congress, like Senator Menendez and Senator Rubio come together and say, that's absolutely not going to happen.

BOLLING: And Senator Rubio, by the way, said he was against that handshake.

TANTAROS: Isn't there a broader question about what our foreign policy is as a whole? I mean, I know these stories seem petty, but they do shift the dialogue our policy back to what is our foreign policy. Is it leading from behind? What are we doing in the world?

I mean, I don't think --

PERINO: We're making friends.

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GUTFELD: But I guess my point is, until you have that conversation tomorrow --

BOLLING: Well, you know what, though, Greg --

GUTFELD: I mean, do we have to use the funeral to have a conversation about foreign policy? No, you don't.

BOLLING: I think and I listened to President Obama's speech, I think he made the speech more about President Obama than about Nelson Mandela.

BECKEL: Oh, no, he didn't.

BOLLING: Well, Bob, there were a lot of references how, what an inspiration Nelson Mandela was to him, and how became a world leader. It really felt to me like a narcissistic speech at the memorable.

GUTFELD: I'm surprised that you think that way.

BOLLING: Call me crazy.

Anyway, how about this one? Dignified, honorable, respectful, all qualities you want to see in your president, not the qualities you'd say the president, displayed when he choose to snap this selfie at Nelson Mandela's memorial service today.

Dana, again, I may be petty about this, but were this is a solemn event. It's a memorial service. Are we snapping selfies?

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: What if Bush do that?

PERINO: Well, there was a photograph of President Bush with Bono, who are friends. And I think what this funeral did is bring a lot of different people together who have worked together for the benefit of Africa.

OK. Let me defend President Obama here, it's not his phone.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: OK, she brings it out. And when I pulled out my phone right now, and said hey, look, take a picture. You know, it would be awkward for President Obama to say, I'm not taking a photograph because then AFP would have snapped the photograph of him dissing the Danes, I think she's from Denmark. I think that Mrs. Obama says it all, OK? She's looking of a way saying, guys, can we have a little decorum around here? So, I think she represented everybody.

TANTAROS: You know what I think. She's looking like, can you not take the selfie?

First of all, have you seen the leader of Denmark? She is hot. That is one hot woman. So, I don't think many men would decline.

BECKEL: What are you suggesting?

TANTAROS: Well, look, she's a good-looking woman. She offered to take a picture with him. I don't know, Michelle Obama doesn't look very happy about it.

That was my take on it. That was my read from the photo. A photo says a million words.

BECKEL: You know, can I say one thing, this must be the slowest damn news day if this is what we got.

BOLLING: Come on, Bob, you have to admit, if you are at a funeral, you will pull out a camera and do a selfie?

BECKEL: Yes, to shake -- handshake with the communist.

BOLLING: Greg, thoughts?

GUTFELD: I think President Obama should be impeached. I think this is a horrible picture. Not for the picture, but the fact that when he has the picture taken, he is doing this. He is biting his lip.

I find that to be very, very offensive to me as an American and him being a Kenyan born interloper. Look, this is not his fault. This is not just a solemn affair, it is a happy affair and people are there and it's like Dana said, what do you do when someone puts up a phone like that, you have to take the picture.

BOLLING: He's really leaning into that. Michelle --

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GUTFELD: But you know what's great, though. Why do you take that, to show it to people later? So, it's like, you can go -- you are at a bar and you go, check this out.

PERINO: This is what happens when world leaders get Twitter accounts, they want an Instagram and then you do that --

BECKEL: What do you send a selfie on? Is that a Twitter thing?

GUTFELD: I think, in general, it's not a good idea to do it overall. Probably.

TANTAROS: I bet if any of you guys at this table had that leggy blond Danish woman asked you for a photo, you would have done it.

PERINO: I would have done it for sure.

BECKEL: I could have done a lot more than that.

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BOLLING: I find it extremely crass and tacky to do it at a memorial service. Call me petty.

All right. Moving on to ObamaCare.

BECKEL: OK, petty.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: We never hear this level of common sense from the Democrats. Here, our good friend, Larry the Cable Guy tells Sean what the bronze, silver and gold plans really mean.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: Are you following this healthcare thing?

LARRY THE CABLE GUY: Sean, it's a disaster.

HANNITY: It's a dis -- I know.

LARRY THE CABLE GUY: But I have figured a lot of it out.

HANNITY: Yes?

LARRY THE CABLE GUY: I figured out the bronze plan.

HANNITY: You did?

LARRY THE CABLE GUY: The bronze plan is what color your fingers going to look like after you give yourself a prostate exam. That I figured out.

And the gold plan is when you start to miss your wedding ring after you had to pay for the deductible.

HANNITY: Yes.

LARRY THE CABLE GUY: And the silver plan is what color your hair is going to be after you're done signing up for it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Great way to get 'er done.

GUTFELD: Yes, I suppose. Look, I don't have a comment.

PERINO: Even on the self-prostate exam.

TANTAROS: I thought you would have something on that.

(PHONE RINGTONE)

GUTFELD: Thank you, Bob.

BECKEL: You're kidding me. I don't know why it's ringing, man. I put it off.

BOLLING: It's Plouffe calling you, saying, come on, Bob, you have to stick up stronger for us.

Ands, what about this? What about finally somebody calling it what it is?

TANTAROS: It's very, very true. Maybe that's your doctor reminding you about your prostate exam. I didn't think anyone else could be as I guess crass and silly on "HANNITY" last night. You were on, you weren't as bad as Larry the Cable Guy. But that's kind of funny.

I think the story, though, today is in "The Washington Post" that shows that a lot of people who are thinking they are signing up for the plans, Democrats like Bob have said there is no pre-conditions, everyone sign up, insurance companies, Eric, have gone to the administration, they have said, all right, you want us to cover all of these sick patients, now, we have to pay for their medicine. That's going to mean premium hikes. So, I think they struck a deal behind the scenes and I think that's why people are seeing a lot of their drugs aren't getting cover.

BECKEL: I would guarantee you, that story is mostly about AIDS. I guarantee you, this administration has not cut a deal with some of the insurance companies to deny AIDS medicine.

PERINO: Guarantee?

BECKEL: Well, period.

TANTAROS: Yes.

BECKEL: But let me just say that we've got Larry the Cable Guy, have we now done the complete circle on ObamaCare? Is that -- or do we go to, I don't know, Raul Castro and ask him what he thinks?

BOLLING: Do you want to talk deductibles? We can talk deductibles.

BECKEL: No, we -- let's not talk about it at all. Listen, I'm still staggered by the handshake. I just can't handle that.

BOLLING: Only the states -- Dana, help me out here, one of the states, they put out a low expectation.

PERINO: Colorado. And it's going to come in well below their lowest expectation. For enrollment numbers in the state of Colorado said, OK, we have our worse case scenario is what they called it. They are coming in below their worse case scenario. They are trying to get something done before the end of the month.

But in Oregon, Minnesota, it's just not ripe. It is not ready to go. And I really -- Congress is going to leave after next week, so I guess the president -- maybe he will find it in his heart to do some sort of extension for people before he goes off on holiday and then members of Congress leave because they can't change the law between now and the end of the month.

BOLLING: And they need to do it by the 23rd. You have to be signed up by the 23rd and to pay by January 1st.

You have something you wanted to say?

GUTFELD: Well, no, I was just going to say that people keep saying that ObamaCare is a disaster, but it's not a disaster because a disaster implies a recovery effort. ObamaCare is actually going to be maintained. No matter how bad it is, with Hurricane Sandy you cleaned up, but with ObamaCare, you're going to prop up.

That's the scary part. It's like an oil spill in which you keep pouring the oil in it because if you stop pouring the oil in, you admit it's wrong.

BECKEL: Well, you know, if you guys are all right about it, I'd say you only have to live with it for a year because your elected a mass number of Republicans --

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PERINO: I disagree, Bob. Once you've ruined the system, how do you expect Republicans -- I still think they can win elections based on it, but how do you go about fixing it. They wanted to fix it before it gets too late.

BECKEL: I will guarantee you the most, virtually all the people have insurance now will have it by January.

BOLLING: Your math is wrong. You need 20 seats to turn and not 10.

BECKEL: If you take, I'll try to explain this to you in the break here.

BOLLING: No, no, you won't need to.

BECKEL: If you have 55 and 45 and those -- if they flip those seats, right?

BOLLING: Ten seats, it becomes 55-45, the other way, that's not enough.

BECKEL: No, I said it was enough yesterday. We won't be veto-proof.

BOLLING: And you can't get rid of ObamaCare.

TANTAROS: I think a lot of people are wondering and you've said it numerous times on the show. You've screamed at all of us. You've said, people now who are sick --

BECKEL: I've screamed at you over ObamaCare.

TANTAROS: Yes, and getting insurance. You said people can get insurance now. That didn't happen before. People who were sick, now, you have a headline in "The Washington Post" today that people are not getting their expensive drugs. It's basically adverse selection. It's a way the insurance companies can do it. They're not getting the plan. So, they're not getting coverage.

BECKEL: I mean, it's just damn terrible the way it's all falling apart and nobody is going to have insurance and everybody is going to be on the street sick.

GUTFELD: But the bright side of this is President Obama only destroyed one-sixth of the economy.

BECKEL: Yes, that's -- can you tease please? We need to get out of here.

BOLLING: Before we go, can I just pose a question? Let me throw this out. What about the 12 million or 13 million or 15 million undocumented illegal aliens?

BECKEL: What about them?

BOLLING: Do they get ObamaCare?

BECKEL: No, they don't get Obama -- they ought to get put in the --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Just wondering.

Coming up on "The Five", are celebrity and stupidity synonymous? Greg has some thoughts. Today's material provided by Ben Affleck, Katy Perry and Sarah Silverman. That's coming up next.

BECKEL: Here we go. Let me guess --

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GUTFELD: In an interview with "Playboy" magazine, whatever that is, Ben Affleck said that if he knew any Republican actors, he probably wouldn't like them.

Meanwhile, Katy Perry, whoever that is, said she didn't let her parents watch her sing at Obama's inauguration because they're Republicans.

None of this is mind-blowing, just instructive. First, it shows the danger of lockstep, enslaved to the ideology of the group. It creates a barrier to critical thinking and you avoid having to listen to competing thoughts, Bob.

More important, it shows that the high priests of religion of tolerance, i.e., celebrity, are its key violators. That's because only they can be the good guys.

Not voting for Obama? That's not wrong. That's evil. So, you're out. Sorry, mom and dad.

This fits perfectly with the velvet rope of exclusion that celebrities pine for. Once you pine fame, the adoptive liberal politics give you the illusion of intelligence that you crave. And your targets of criticism are never people you actually know. That keeps your beliefs protected and cool.

And that's what it's about, being cool, a concept based on roping the shiny and insecure off from the rubble. Those excluded are anyone not living on the coast, people with boring 9:00 to 5:00 jobs, stay-at-home moms, church types, Southerners, mom and dad, people who go about their lives doing their best without the luxury of nannies, yoga instructors or shrinks. They are America mocked. They're also the same people who buy movie and concert tickets, but not for long.

PERINO: Bravo.

GUTFELD: Thank you, Dana. You weren't even listening.

Hey, let's talk Ben Affleck. He is slightly taller than you.

Isn't what he is saying kind of true about everybody in some way or another, that we like to create a bubble against those people that we disagree with?

PERINO: Yes. Except when you are forced out of your comfort zone --

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: -- and you have to talk to someone you might not agree with, you can be pleasantly surprised. What I wrote down here was one of my great memories of the past couple of years was taking the train back to D.C. with Bob every Friday night when we first started "The Five".

It's like for five months, every Friday night, we go back and we would say, they better understand that we're not moving to New York and we would have -- we would talk about all sorts of things, politics and all the rest, and I thought we would look at each other afterward and say, oh my gosh, how could we both be of the same species and you think so differently than I do, but we ended up being great friends. (AUDIO GAP) from a lot of joy that life can bring of diversity of opinion.

GUTFELD: Well, Bob, the point that she's bringing is an interesting one, which I brought up before, which is the allegiance to teams and what that does. You may never had met or work with Dana if you stuck to your team.

BECKEL: Well, you know, I was a political consultant for 20 years and I would be up against Republicans all of the time. And I got to know them, as we went along, Ed Rollins, Lee Atwater, going down the list.

And they became friends of mind because we're in battle together. I do think it is true that when you cut yourself off, I mean, if I cut myself off from Republicans, I couldn't sit in this air. Except for Eric, I can cut off with that, but outside of that.

BOLLING: Was Lincoln a nice guy?

BECKEL: He was a good guy. And let me tell you something, I covered the second Lincoln inaugural and it was very, very good.

The Gettysburg address was not played as good as it sounds --

BOLLING: Do you write that?

BECKEL: No, no, I didn't. But the Gettysburg address was not nearly as good as it sounds now.

GUTFELD: Do you think, though, Eric, that the right are more forgiving that the left when it comes to like ideologies?

BOLLING: I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe there is the whole spectrum of the right or the far right. But here's the thing -- I think these guys do themselves a disservice, Sean Penn, Ben Affleck, half of the country is red. Half of the country is conservative and when you talk like that, you really alienate your potential audience.

But I'm all for it. It's free speech, knock yourself out, have an opinion. Have your opinion. I don't care if actors have opinion. I don't care if athletes have opinions. Have an opinion, state your opinion. I'd like to know where you stand on stuff.

GUTFELD: Yes.

The interesting thing is, Andrea, is a lot of the opinions, this is not an original thought for me, but it is an adolescent kind of thinking because they weren't involved intellectually in anything except becoming famous and now they feel guilty and they go to crusade on issues and they are kind of I don't know -- a freshman in college.

TANTAROS: Right. They pride themselves on -- well, sophomores, right? Just a little bit of knowledge, they got some things that they're - - that's the definition of sophomoric.

What I don't know understand is this question was posed to Ben Affleck on Republican actors. So, he is looking at people in his own domain, in his own industry and he's saying, I probably won't like them.

Well, OK, I actually think, to answer your question, Eric, I think Republicans are for giving. I mean, I don't think Ben Affleck is that great of an actor. I still have to watch his movies.

Connie Britton, who's a huge raging liberal. We have a picture of her. She's on "Friday Night Live", in Nashville, I love her because she's a great actress.

PERINO: I went to Africa with her.

GUTFELD: Ooh.

TANTAROS: I mean, I don't look at Connie Britton and I don't say, oh, I don't like her, I'm not going to watch that show.

PERINO: That's an interesting about her, because so we went on this one campaign trip to Africa together and we met at JFK and we get on there, I didn't know who she was and she didn't know who I was and --

GUTFELD: Now, you are living together.

PERINO: We had this great conversation and we spent a week together and traveling to different places in Africa. I think she is amazing.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: The one campaign. It was interesting.

But it wasn't until we landed until we landed that I realized who she was and she knew who I was. We didn't talk about politics the whole time.

BECKEL: And can I say one thing, Greg, you are saying that people who voted for Obama are from the coast. Let's remember 60 million voted for him.

GUTFELD: That's true. Good point.

TANTAROS: I think the point I was trying to make, if you look at actors like that, like the Ben Afflecks and the other, I don't look at him and think of his political beliefs. If he is a crappy actor, which is, I kind of do.

PERINO: And also, Connie Britton is the lead start of a major star that crosses, it's not political at all. "Nashville' takes place in the heart of country music.

GUTFELD: And speaking of music, we have to bring this up. Katy Perry, I think this is the worst example of politics over personal, that you will ever hear when you sacrifice your family for your ideology. She looks great there.

But she chose politics over her parents. That -- she's a jerk.

PERINO: She wouldn't be there without her parents.

GUTFELD: That is true.

BOLLING: She's just talking about her parents are going to say I'm not going to watch you perform? Well, didn't she wear the ballot with the vote check on Obama. And how many people voted for Obama?

BECKEL: Sixty million.

BOLLING: So that means 250 million did not?

BECKEL: No, no, no. You know why, Eric, because you can't vote if you are 3 years old.

BOLLING: I know, Bob. I'm having little fun with you.

BECKEL: I know you like to have that right winger.

First of all, I don't know who this woman is. So, I have no thoughts about it. I never heard of her before. Seriously, I never had. Except, she's a good looking babe.

BOLLING: Song "Roar". You hear "Roar"? That's her.

BECKEL: Roar this.

TANTAROS: I like her. I buy her music. I don't care if she's a Republican or Democrat. I do think it is weird that she knows -- everybody knows her parents are Republican. She talks about it like it's a dirty word. Who cares? Let them watch you perform with the president.

She's close minded.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: I thought that was disgusting.

PERINO: And the more I talk to liberals, the more I feel I'm right in my conservative views.

BECKEL: Can we run the pictures of her again so I can decide if I do know. No, the other one. Keep going to a couple of others there. Keep going to a couple of others.

PERINO: The green dress.

BECKEL: There is another one.

TANTAROS: They took the banner down.

GTUTFELD: We're building up Bob's mental bank for later.

BECKEL: Thank you very much.

GUTFELD: All right. Ahead, a snow ball fight leads to the suspension of one college player and other members of his team could be in trouble as well -- all for throwing a little snow. We'll show you the video.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: What does that mean?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

TANTAROS: We've been known to take down some college professors here on "The Five", but not in the way some University of Oregon students did last Friday. Students including many from the highly ranked ducks football program were caught on tape pelting a professor with snow balls.

Now, one of the players, starting tight end, Pharoah Brown was suspended from the team's bowl game after he got caught dumping snow on top of the professor's head. And we have pictures of this. It is a pretty heated snow ball fight. The former professor (INAUDIBLE), Bob, pulls up and they are pelting his car.

BECKEL: You see Greg back there? You see Greg behind the bar?

TANTAROS: Greg Gutfeld instigated this whole entire thing on behalf of all of the right.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

TANTAROS: What do you think, Bob? Do you think that they should suspend this kid? The professor said I probably did this kind of stuff when I was in college.

BECKEL: But there was more than that. The thing escalated into some people getting hurt, cars being stopped, I think at a certain point, you do something like this, you have to stop it and put a marker down and putting this guy off the bowl team, that makes no sense. He set it then.

TANTAROS: What do you think, Eric? Too strict of a punishment for a snow ballgame, or you got to have respect?

BOLLING: So, last night, we talked about the Florida state quarterback that was arrested and then let go because the D.A. decided not to bring charged and I said he should play and get the Heisman. I stand by that. He should get the Heisman.

But this guy, they have (INAUDIBLE) a bucket of snow inside the professor's car -- you sign a code of conduct when you play high school sports and college sports, and you sign away your right to play if you pull shenanigans like that. Now, he's clearly guilty. The other guy could play distinction between, but the other guy did. And this guy is clearly guilty. But there is a difference -- on one hand is rape and the other hand is snow.

TANTAROS: But Jameis Wilson, the guy who you said should get the Heisman, he got in trouble with the law -- not the rape charges, he was doing stuff in fast food restaurants and got slapped on the wrist for shenanigans back at the school. So, I don't know, Dana --

PERINO: I've been afraid of snow ball fights. My grandfather in Newcastle, Wyoming, when he was a young kid, there was a big snowstorm and they were having a fight and a young boy got his eye -- he did, he lost his eye.

GUTFELD: I love the fact that you are afraid of snow ball fights.

PERINO: Well, we were told we couldn't do snow ball fights.

GUTFELD: You are afraid of snow ball fights.

PERINO: Well, it is all fun and games until someone gets their eye hit out.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: And the difference is a football player --

GUTFELD: I think I did snow ball fights when I was 17. I never had snowball fights.

BECKEL: But a lot of things we worry than snowball fights believe to think your eye out --

GUTFELD: You know what the thing is, though, they are basically mocking the idea of global warming, and that's s why they should be suspended and this is revenge for ObamaCare because these students are going to have to foot the bill for that professor's health care.

PERINO: And pension.

BOLLING: It was a global warming professor.

GUTFELD: I'm assuming it is over climate change and ObamaCare.

BECKEL: Every professor in the entire country is a climate change professor.

TANTAROS: So, Bob, listen to this -- so every person who will be attending the Super Bowl is not going to be allowed to tailgate this year. The rule was put out by the MetLife Stadium and the game officials. They are saying, you can't grill, you have to stay within your parking spot, you can't take taxis and limos there. But people are ticked off.

But you can sit in your car and eat a sandwich, if you want.

GUTFELD: That's called Wednesday.

BECKEL: And it doesn't have to have tires on it either. I think all of that grilling, walking through the parking lot with the guys with the flags and their big barbecue grills. How they haul the grills there in the first place, I don't know.

But the worse part of it is a lot of people get drunk before they go there and that causes destruction in the stadium.

TANTAROS: It's pretty to tailgate, anyway, Eric. I think you should be allowed to tailgate. It is part of the history of the game. It probably the best part of the game, hopefully not this time.

What do you mean you can't party outside against -- you are against that why?

BECKEL: Because people get drunk.

BOLLING: Grilling?

BECKEL: No, no, not grilling. I don't care about grilling. Expect that it adds to global warming.

BOLLING: They don't get drink out in the parking lot. But they're going to be drinking inside.

BECKEL: Yes, but not as much as they drink.

TANTAROS: But isn't that the whole purpose to get you inside of the stadium to spend the money.

PERINO: Right, exactly. But I was told not to tailgate either.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: To talk to strangers.

BOLLING: Put your eye out.

PERINO: I was only allowed to sit at home and read.

BECKEL: You got those coals on your feet, you'd burn your feet. It is dangerous.

PERINO: You never know. What if the meat is not fully cooked and you can get sick.

GUTFELD: I once saw a guy throw up on his grill. It was like a Denver omelet.

And the other story, you can't drive to the game so all of the celebrities, you can't take a taxi or a car.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: There is only 16,000 parking spaces. You've got to take mass transit. Can you imagine all of these people taking mass transit?

PERINO: It was a disaster.

GUTFELD: You should have stayed home, Dana.

PERINO: I should have stayed home and read.

TANTAROS: Let me guess. Dana will be not be going to this year's --

BOLLING: And let me guess, there will be tailgating at --

BECKEL: And you have to be careful reading, Dana, because --

TANTAROS: Directly ahead, Dana (INAUDIBLE) posts a pic on Facebook, and crowd goes wild. The story behind the social media explosion that caught Dana by surprise when we comeback.

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PERINO: I think that is great. What do you mean that's pathetic?

GUTFELD: Pathetic.

PERINO: I think that's great. Great choice, Joshua.

GUTFELD: You are fired.

PERINO: So, on Sunday night, I have done something I've never done before because I was never told I couldn't cook. Instead of tweeting out a picture of Jasper, I posted of something that I made. A roast.

GUTFELD: That is Jasper.

PERINO: I made this pot roast in a crock pot and 29,000 people have liked it on Facebook and 6,000 comments. I had no idea posting food photos was so popular and to some people so annoying.

Did you know about this?

GUTFELD: You are such a Lisa Simpson, it is not funny.

BECKEL: Who is Lisa Simpson?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: No, here's the thing. It takes hours for people to make food look good in food magazines, sometimes weeks to get it completely right. Food never looks as good as the way it is. It is like preordained pop.

BECKEL: What is that?

PERINO: An onion.

GUTFELD: It's like taking yourself at the beach. It never looks as good as you think it does.

But at least it's not Jasper.

PERINO: Well, I was so proud, because it actually takes very good, and I couldn't believe I had, I said, I'm frickin' made it.

BECKEL: Twenty-nine thousand people commenting on this?

PERINO: Twenty-nine thousand. I had no idea. Did you know about this?

TANTAROS: I just learned it on Thanksgiving. I never tweeted out pictures of my food. I have Southern friends that do that, and I got a whole bunch of Twitter responses on this Turkey. It's beautiful. My mom made it. And my sister made an apple pie with a pretzel crust. People were going bananas. They wanted the recipe.

BECKEL: Apple pie with pretzel crust?

TANTAROS: But I guess top chef --

BECKEL: When I (INAUDIBLE) it gets 10,000, 15,000 --

PERINO: If you made that (INAUDIBLE), I bet we could get up to 50,000 likes --

BECKEL: The whole social media is just going --

GUTFELD: Did you make that with hobo Carl?

BECKEL: Yes.

BOLLING: Can I point something out? We were trending last night on Twitter a couple of times.

PERINO: I think it was because of Jasper's 20th month birthday.

BOLLING: How about we see if we can get Dana's pot roast to trend on Twitter, #danapotroast.

PERINO: Pot roast. Pot roast.

I really have it for leftovers tonight -- unfortunately, I guess I gave some of -- just part of the meat to Jasper, I don't think you agree (ph) with him later.

There is one other thing we're going to talk about here, Bob.

BECKEL: Not Jasper.

PERINO: Nothing to do with the dog.

So, there is a restaurant pet peeves list and there are 44 pet peeves. We have chosen just a few of them. These were written by people who work in the business. So there is the sad solo diner, somebody who shows up and doesn't have a newspaper or even an iPhone.

You also have the ethnic menu over pronouncer. Do you know that person? Like I'll have the burr-ritto.

OK, what's the third one? Reveal, OK -- oh, the gluten free evangelist. I know there's a lot of gluten-free people. I know it's mostly like really good, but it does get a little obsessive, right? The group dinner free loader.

You know, this is the person when everybody goes out for drinks and you order a cheap beer and they order the expensive martini.

GUTFELD: And they go to the bathroom when the check comes.

PERINO: And then the last one habitual wine returner. Have you ever returned wine?

BOLLING: Never once and you are not supposed to.

PERINO: Somebody who does probably doesn't even know.

BOLLING: If you order a wine that is too bitter or sweet for your liking, you own the wine.

PERINO: You open it and you own it.

GUTFELD: Because you have to taste it. You taste it first any way.

You know what is on this list, the conversationalist. This is the person that talks to the waiter when you want to drink. So you're sitting there and the person keeps talking and talking to the waiter and you're like all I want is a damn drink.

It is like somebody who needs to talk to the waiter.

PERINO: I have no idea what you're talking about.

BECKEL: Is there a list of babies being in the restaurants?

PERINO: Yes, that was on the list.

BECKEL: I went to a restaurant and they had the diaper change, and they brought it right through the restaurant and, man, it just stunk terrible.

TANTAROS: Join the hip couple. That's the one that people that sit on the same side of the booth.

PERINO: Oh, but you know what? You can do that at the 21 Club and that's expected.

BOLLING: We do that.

PERINO: I like it.

BOLLING: Adrienne and I do that.

PERINO: No one on the other side?

BOLLING: No one on the other side.

BECKEL: That's very sweet.

PERINO: It must be love.

Coming up, should America do more to help, free the hero doctor help find Bin Laden. A secret letter by Shakil Afridi, out of his Pakistani prison. Details of what life is like for him behind bars. We're going to tell you what he wrote, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECKEL: That's Crash, right?

OK, he helped us find bin Laden. Dr. Shakil Afridi has been jailed in Pakistan since 2011 after the country found out he helped the CIA with a fake vaccine program that led to bin Laden. He was originally sentenced to 35 years for conspiring against the state, but it was overturned. A new verdict is expected next week.

Afridi has written a letter from prison that was smuggled out last week by one of his supporters. It says he's not being allowed to consult with his lawyers or his family. He also refers to mental torture behind bars.

Andrea, let me ask you: Do we have a responsibility for getting people like this out of jail -- I mean, assuming the diplomatic stuff is done, and they've asked and been turned down, do you think we should go to the extent of actually landing some troops in there and getting the guy out?

TANTAROS: I think that we have a responsibility to this doctor. We also had a responsibility to keep his identity a secret. But Bob, this administration, Leon Panetta, outed this doctor, and then we've left him in the lurch.

Now, he assisted us, and he helped us get Usama bin Laden. And I think, rather than allow him to get a retrial in Pakistan, which we know the decks are going to be stacked against him, we should be pushing very vocally and very regularly for his release, and we haven't done that.

BECKEL: Same question to you, Eric. Do we have a responsibility to a certain level of people who helped to get him out.

BOLLING: Responsibility is a big word. I think we should do our best to try and free the Pakistani -- the doctor from Pakistan. Pakistan is really -- I mean, they claim to be our friends, and yet they'll do something like this. There should be a diplomatic push.

As, you know, we pointed out yesterday, the Pakistani that helped Marcus Luttrell, can't even get a green card to come over. These are the type of people we need to make friends with, not the Iranians who we...

BECKEL: You were going to get that in. Dana and Greg, same question.

PERINO: Well, I...

GUTFELD: He said both of us together.

PERINO: Do you want to do it in unison?

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: Leave...

GUTFELD: Leave...

PERINO: ... no one...

GUTFELD: ...no one...

PERINO: ... on the battlefield.

GUTFELD: ... on the battlefield.

PERINO: OK. So he -- so yes, we should -- I didn't understand why we didn't try to scoop him up.

BECKEL: Scoop him up?

PERINO: Scoop him -- you know, scoop him up and get him out of the country and get him -- put him in a witness protection program.

BECKEL: Well, yes, that's fine....

PERINO: I don't see how President Obama would be able to convince Pakistan...

BECKEL: How do you scoop him up? You mean land...

PERINO: You kidnap him.

BECKEL: OK. You've got to go through a big jail to get to him.

PERINO: No, but he wasn't in a jail before.

BECKEL: Oh, I see.

TANTAROS: He should have been part of the raid, is what she's saying.

GUTFELD: I have one question here.

BECKEL: Yes.

GUTFELD: Why does Pakistan see this as an injustice against Pakistan and, as opposed to an injustice against al Qaeda or Usama bin Laden. Why is he in prison for this? That means they are -- their allegiance is to terrorists.

BECKEL: Don't you remember Pakistan went crazy with the idea that we brought a helicopter in there without their knowledge?

GUTFELD: Then they officially our adversaries, and we have every right to go in there and do it again and take this guy and bring him back. If they believe that they are on the side of the people that we killed, i.e. Usama bin Laden, then we have every option to go...

BECKEL: There are some people, maybe that think that -- that's the right thing to do, although we're probably going to we have to lose soldiers in the process. And we have to ask ourselves that question.

PERINO: There are a lot of interpreters, in particular, in Afghanistan that helped our troops during the mission there, and now that we are leaving, I think it's the right thing to do to allow them to come to the country.

Here is one of the sticking points, is how many family members do you allow in?

BECKEL: Yes, right.

PERINO: Allow him and his family, and there might have to be a tough decision to say immediate family as defined by "X" and then allow them to come in.

BECKEL: You were too young to remember this, but in Vietnam at the end, as we were getting out in the period (ph), all of these Vietnamese who helped us, who ended up getting killed by the Viet Cong, tried to get in the embassy, couldn't get in, and we let them go.

All right. "One More Thing" up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) BOLLING: All right. It's time for "One More Thing." Guess what? Hash tag Dana's pot roast is trending on Twitter.

PERINO: Oh, yes.

BOLLING: All right, Robert. You're up first.

BECKEL: There it is. OK. Last night we talked about Larry the Cable Guy on "Hannity." He had one other thing to say last night on the air that I found kind of interesting we did not put in our package before. So here it is.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LARRY THE CABLE GUY, COMEDIAN: O'Reilly and I have been working on a book.

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: What's it called?

LARRY THE CABLE GUY: "Killing Beckel." And -- actually, I should tell you, I love Beckel. It's more like "Noogie-ing Beckel." It's called "Noogie-ing Beckel."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: He deserves a noogie.

BECKEL: Thank you Larry very much, buddy. That was very nice of you. Right away.

PERINO: You want noogied?

BOLLING: We love Larry the Cable Guy. Dana, you're up.

PERINO: OK. You might remember we've been talking about a reporter of ours at FOX News who covered the story of the Colorado massacre at the movie theater. Her name is Jana Winter, and she was going to be compelled by a court to testify and reveal her resources. But today she is not -- it was revealed she's not going to have to do that. A court decided. Here is our boss, Roger Ailes, on it earlier today.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ROGER AILES, FOX NEWS CHAIRMAN & CEO: Today's ruling is a major win for all journalists. The protection of Jana Winters' confidential sources was necessary to preserve and protect journalism and democracy itself, in my view. So the highest court in New York did the right thing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Indeed. So now Jana Winter will not have to testify.

TANTAROS: That's good.

BOLLING: Fantastic. Great stuff.

And, you're up.

TANTAROS: OK. Well, you just heard our boss. Now you get to hear what his son did on Saturday. Now typically, I don't advertise when I lose a bet, but Zach Ailes bet me that if I lost a game of pool I had to say as my "One More Thing" on "The Five," and if I won, we could stop playing pool. And well, I scratched on the eight-ball, and so here it is, Zach. I'm a woman of my word. You beat me at pool.

PERINO: I like that he wore a tie.

BOLLING: Very good. All right. OK, so...

BECKEL: This is going to be a long one, Greg.

BOLLING: Bob -- Bob, take some blood pressure medicine. OK. Pull up the full screen, please.

These people spoke today at Nelson Mandela's memorial service. We have the -- the vice president of China, communist. We have the president of Cuba, Raul Castro, communist. We have the president of Brazil, a socialist. We have President Obama, the question mark. And then we have the president of India, center left, and the president of Namibia, a socialist. So I'm just saying, they couldn't mix in one free market capitalist?

BECKEL: Didn't Greg go to the thing?

BOLLING: He was there -- he was there in spirit.

BECKEL: He was there in spirit. OK. And so was Ayers, right? Bill Ayers was there?

BOLLING: What are you talking about?

BECKEL: Well, they're all prime ministers. Everybody is a communist. I'm a communist according to you.

BOLLING: You know, I just...

BECKEL: Yes, you're a wing-nut, according to me.

BOLLING: All right. I'll tell you what. Twitter. Hit me up on Twitter and let me know what you think.

Greg, you're up.

GUTFELD: It's time for...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: Greg's preemptive apology.

GUTFELD: I'm sorry.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Being that it is the holiday season and I hate it more than anything, I have been a jerk to everybody. So I made a list of -- I have to apologize to the Web site InTurn, because I denied her the -- I was going to do the resolution, a seven-second thing. I said no.

PERINO: But you'll do it tomorrow?

GUTFELD: I will do it tomorrow. I have to apologize to the vice president on the second floor for complaining about something. And the producer for "The O'Reilly Factor" for kind of yelling at her. And I have to apologize to just about everybody else that I know, because I really hate the holidays.

BOLLING: Group -- group hug. Group apology. We'll see you all, et cetera.

All right. Don't forget to set your DVR. Don't miss an episode of "The Five."

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