President goes on ObamaCare offensive

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 3, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five".


TANTAROS: Well, the first ObamaCare enrollment deadline is less than three weeks away and the president is trying to regain control of the debate. Today at the White House, he went on the offensive.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If you've got good ideas, bring them to me. Let's go. But we're not repealing it as long as I'm president. I want everybody to be clear about that.


I'm going to need some help in spreading the word. I'm going to need some help in spreading the word. I need you to spread the word about the law, about its benefits, about its protections, about how folks can sign up. Tell your friends, tell your family. Do not let the initial problems with the Web site discourage you.


TANTAROS: But the president's usual allies may not be getting the message. Here's former Obama Press Secretary Robert Gibbs calling for heads to roll.


ROBERT GIBBS, FORMER WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: It will be inexplicable if somebody involved in the creation of the Web site doesn't get fired or a group of people don't get fired. There aren't really any good excuses for not firing people. The private sector velocity should also include the velocity of moving somebody's framed pictures out of their office and into a new job.


TANTAROS: And Jon Stewart is still having some fun with the failed rollout of


JON STEWART, COMEDY CENTRAL: An update on, the beleaguered ObamaCare Web site, that was supposed to provide an online marketplace for health insurance but instead the Web site records you having sex and emails it to your parents with the title "Christmas surprise." Why does it do that?



TANTAROS: All right. The audience couldn't hear it, but we had a debate during that sound bite over Robert Gibbs' classes.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I like them.

TANTAROS: You like them, Bob doesn't like them. No?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: No, it looks like he's 1954 driving a Chevy Impala.

PERINO: Retro, I think he looks good.

BECKEL: You do?


TANTAROS: Well, I --

BECKEL: Again, you're from -- where?

PERINO: Wyoming.

TANTAROS: Wyoming.

BECKEL: That makes sense.

TANTAROS: All right. The glasses are the least of the White House's worries.

Greg, so, you heard the president today address the nation. So, they're launching this new push.


TANTAROS: Three weeks, it sounded like a new campaign, right?
There's a call to action. There's a political point about not repealing it. He bashed Republicans. It was campaign number two.

GUTFELD: No, he's no longer a president. He's the CEO of a crisis management firm. And this is his disaster, and he's trying to navigate it through. Yet he's asking us to come to him to help him.

But it's true, it is an offensive, because it's offensive. This whole operation has been offensive. The best thing about this is, they can still define it as a success because in government, failure is a success because failure creates more work for those to fix the failure. Therefore, as long as the government's banned, this will always be considered a success.

The worst thing about it, there's absolutely no security on this Web site whatsoever. That's the most important thing when trying to deal with a web transaction. That's like building Disneyland and then forgetting about the fence.

PERINO: Or the seats on the rollercoaster ride.

GUTFELD: Oh, no, that's fun.

PERINO: All right, all right.

TANTAROS: This is a rollercoaster. So, Dana, the next three weeks, the president is going to have his liberal all-star strike team, a strike team. And he wants liberals in Congress to speak every single day about health care reform. And they've launched this new site that looks a lot like Saks Fifth Avenue, apply, shop, buy, right before Christmas?

I mean, could this be a worst time for them to reboot or rebrand or whatever the heck they're trying to do?

PERINO: In a (INAUDIBLE) new poll today, the president is under 40 percent approval on nine out of ten issues. I do not think -- unless he's in more trouble about the left than we know, maybe their internal polling says that they're in such dire straits with the people on the left, he has to do a three-week partisan push at the time when he's at the lowest approval rating.

He says he needs people to help spread the word? We are drowning in words. We have been smothered with words. We need less talkie, more action from the White House.


GUTFELD: More talkie, more action.

PERINO: It's talk all the time.

BECKEL: That said, they have been in trouble.

PERINO: They talk constantly and they're not able to -- one other point before Bob and Eric take it into the deepness of this, he is so exceedingly political that I think that all of those numbers are actually going to continue to go down. I do not think that all of a sudden because he does a youth summit about that his approval ratings are going to go up.

People realize the underpinnings of ObamaCare are the bigger problem.
It's not just the Web site. It's everything else that was promised and taken away from the American people. Within four years of planning that they knew about, they're so political, they're so worried about his candidacy, that he can't even get the policy right.

TANTAROS: Yes, Eric, three weeks to get what they couldn't get right in three years? And I took this speech as just a political speech to the Democrats. I mean, that's who he was speaking to, right?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: How about a couple of facts for the factually challenged liberals Tuesday edition? Two big facts came out today. Number one --

BECKEL: Who you're talking about?

BOLLING: Well, liberals, in general, maybe some at this table.

TANTAROS: The whole left.

BOLLING: Number one, the IRS found out today, the Department of Treasury came out and said -- who oversees the IRS, came out and said, we have no way of knowing if people are going to commit fraud on their 1040 when they say they deserve a tax credit for ObamaCare. So you can go ahead and put it on your 1040 and say I deserve a credit, I'm going to take taxes off right here and they have no way of checking it. Their computers don't do it, number one.

Number two, that they also can't -- once they find out you've done something wrong, they have no teeth to penalize you. They can only say don't do that anymore.

So, that was the first fact that came out today. The other one in "The New York Times" today said that the White House now is offering incentives, additional incentives to the insurance companies, incentives we didn't know about before, but get this, to the tune of $1 trillion.


BOLLING: One trillion dollars of insurance company bailouts are going to go to the insurance companies behind the back, that's taxpayer money.
And, again, here it is again, guys. It's another lie. It's another President Obama "you can keep your insurance company and you can keep your plan," you can't keep your doctor and now no more bailouts.

Remember when he said no more bailouts? This is a massive trillion dollar bailout.

TANTAROS: He also said it wouldn't add a dollar to the deficit. And, you know, look, the insurance companies knew they would get this. Bob, that's why I don't buy when anyone says it's going to collapse on its own weight, there's going to be a death spiral.

No there's not, because they're going to continue to pump money to save it, right? Isn't that the plan?

BECKEL: You know, there was a tragic train wreck in New York over the weekend and the conductor -- the driver lost his insurance because of ObamaCare. And so, I think, frankly, that there's a lot of things happening in America today that the problems with ObamaCare. The weather, I mean, everything, it's going terrible.

Are you kidding me? Look, the fact of the matter is that the thing is starting to work better and better. You're going to -- why is he going to the Democrats with the proposal? Because the Democrats have to run on it, that's why. They know they can't run against it. They voted for the thing.

By the way, this earpiece tweets one more time -- they voted on it.
So that's what they want to do. They can't go up there and try to get around it. So they have to run on it. So, they've got --

BOLLING: What about this bailout? What about the bailout for the insurance companies?

BECKEL: I wouldn't bail the insurance companies out if they were drowning in --

BOLLING: No, no, that was from the White House, White House offered incentives to, quote, "Help offset losses and profits to the insurance companies".

BECKEL: You know, not only that. The insurance get, they're not (ph), they get rid of the public option. That's one of the things they demanded during the negotiations of it.

BOLLING: Yes. But the White House is offering a bailout.

BECKEL: I understand that, which I don't think they should be doing.
I don't think the insurance companies should be bailed out for anything.
They don't pay people's -- when people sue them --

BOLLING: You're trashing the insurance companies, right, along --

BECKEL: I continue to trash them.

BOLLING: But the Obama White House wants to hand over a trillion dollars.

TANTAROS: And you've actually agreed with Robert Gibbs, Bob. Earlier today, you said somebody should be fired for this.

BECKEL: Absolutely.

TANTAROS: So, there's a new Gallup poll. Greg, take a look at this.
It looks like the more people learn about ObamaCare, the more they can't stand it. If they're more familiar with it, yes, they disapprove of it.
Less familiar, 43 percent. So it looks like, I don't know, maybe in an uninformed stupid people like it and ignorance is bliss.

GUTFELD: Now, you know what it is? It's like a lot of things in life, the more you become aware of something, the more you hate it. It's like Martin Bashir and truffle oil. It becomes more pervasive, you go eh.

People aren't dumb. They just didn't need this and they certainly didn't need it from the government. When people want something, the market usually reacts. And this is probably the bigger point if you know the free market is doing something better than the government, yet you still ignore that, that means your ideology is deadly because their stubbornness leads to suffering.

If you look at the Soviet Union, you look at China, millions died before they admitted that their ideology was deadly.

Our country is running in the opposite direction.


BECKEL: I'm sorry.

GUTFELD: No, I'm just saying that why do you continue doing something destructive when you know the private sector can do it better? It's because you think in your hearts that private is evil even though they're superior.

It's like a team sport. It's like when you look at your rival and you hate your rival and you hate them more because they're better. And that's the poison, that's the toxic poison in this whole thing is that people hate something because it's a team sport. They can't admit they're wrong.

BECKEL: Wait one second, both Democrats and Republicans, before ObamaCare came on, everybody agreed that the insurance industry and health care was terrible in this country, the delivery of insurance.


BECKEL: They've all wanted to fix. Everybody wanted to fix it.

BOLLING: That's inaccurate.

BECKEL: What do you mean?

BOLLING: The health care in this country wasn't terrible. It far supersedes --

BECKEL: Not health care, I'm talking about insurance process. I said insurance.

BOLLING: No, you didn't. You said health care.

BECKEL: OK, good, I'm glad you corrected me.

TANTAROS: Premiums were too high.

BECKEL: Premiums were too high. They weren't getting what they thought they'd get out of their insurance plans. The cost of health care was going up and everybody now says, that's the good old days.

BOLLING: Because it's still going up.

GUTFELD: It made it look like the good old days.

BECKEL: Well, yes, that's the problem.

BOLLING: They sold it that ObamaCare was going to fix all those things you just pointed out. But, in fact, ObamaCare hasn't fixed it.

BECKEL: Can I remind you that the mandate was a Republican plan?

BOLLING: Health care costs are still skyrocketing, going up as fast they were ObamaCare, not faster.

BECKEL: Right.

BOLLING: And health insurance rates are going up as well, just as fast as they were before.

BECKEL: Fifty years they've been going up. What to do? What is to do?

The insurance companies have been gouging people from the very beginning.

GUTFELD: Their profit margins remain extremely low.

BECKEL: Oh, no, that's --

GUTFELD: That's true. Take a look.

PERINO: Let me get Dana in here.

Dana, the timeline doesn't add up, right? So, this new push by the White House to rebrand and reboot right around Christmastime is saying that if you apply by December 23rd, you will be good to go come January 1st. I don't see how that works out.

PERINO: Right.

TANTAROS: We hear that the insurance companies aren't getting the data. They're definitely not getting the data that's accurate. There's going to be a lot of mistakes.

How do they figure people will get signed up in seven days between Christmas and New Year's?

PERINO: When everybody's working at their highest productive rate?

TANTAROS: Exactly.

PERINO: They can't. I don't -- I don't actually know what they're going to do. And the president says, please -- you know, don't just criticize, come to me with your ideas. Like, excuse me, you're the one with all the brilliant people on your team. You tell us, Mr. President, what would you recommend?

He has the best and brightest all around him.

GUTFELD: We're just idiots.

PERINO: What do the Republicans say, I'm evil. Don't ask me for my opinion, Mr. President, you tell me. You tell me what you would do in order to make sure that it actually starts to work, not my responsibility.

BOLLING: It's a trap. It's a liberal trap, it's a Democrat trap and it's a President Obama's trap saying give us an idea. You give us an alternative. No, we don't have to. They --

BECKEL: What is the trap about asking the Republicans to upload a plan? They want to do away with it --


BOLLING: Let Obama change a system that -- whether you liked it or not -- was working a lot better than it is working now, going forward.

BECKEL: How do you know that? It's not even replaced yet.

TANTAROS: Here's something you can do.

BOLLING: If you need a hip replacement, you'll get it in the next three or four months in the private world right now. Under ObamaCare, who knows? If you look at England, if you look at something --

BECKEL: Who knows?

PERINO: Here's something.

BECKEL: It is not -- I wish it were, but it's not a single-payer plan. Don't say it is. It is still being run by your free market. It left 40 million uninsured.

PERINO: What if the Republicans came forward and said, I have an idea, Mr. President, why don't you repeal the corporate welfare part of this bill, OK? See what he would say about that. That's actually smart.
Then you put it on him to say, no, I'm not going to repeal the corporate welfare part of this bill, because if they do, then insurance companies can't make a profit, which means that ObamaCare as designed, as we all know, is going to fail.

BECKEL: Well, the problem is --

PERINO: How about that? How about them apples, Bob?

TANTAROS: There's a lot of Republican ideas. The president hasn't taken any of it --

BECKEL: Yes, like vouchers out for Medicare, there's an idea.

TANTAROS: It's about blaming somebody.

GUTFELD: But the bottom line is, it still hasn't signed up. I guess they have no Wi-Fi in the White House.

TANTAROS: He's going to.

BECKEL: He's going to sign up. That's got me worried. He goes to that site to sign up, it damn well better work. Somebody better be under the computer with things go like this and make it work.


TANTAROS: He will not be doing it live. It will be a still shot.
And he still has his own doctor. So, lucky him.

All right. Directly ahead, a couple of outrageous stories. This 11- year-old was told by government officials that she can't sell mistletoe to raise funds for her braces. Instead she's advised to beg for money.
You'll hear directly from this inspirational young girl, up next.

And a Houston school district apologizes after an administrator tells girls to stop dressing like hos. Did she cross the line?

BECKEL: Like what?

TANTAROS: Hos, Bob, ho bags, hos.

All that and more coming up on "The Five". Don't go away.


BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.

American culture is in decline. Free fall. Free fall perhaps. Tough to argue with that especially when you hear these two stories.

First up, little Madison Root, 11 years old, just trying to help her family pay for braces. Listen to what happens next.


MADISON ROOT, 11-YEAR-OLD BANNED FROM SELLING MISTLETOE: I was selling my mistletoe downtown next to Skidmore fountain for my braces.
Then a park patrol officer approached us and he said that we could not sell mistletoe within 250 feet of the park. We asked him about the people next to us begging for money, and he said that that's OK for them to beg.


BOLLING: So, in liberal progressive land, there's not only a war on Christmas, they've extended it to a war on work ethic, too.

Bob, 11-years -- those braces she had on her teeth, she was trying to help her family pay for them. The ranger said, no, you can't sell mistletoe in the park without a permit. She said what about those guys?

BECKEL: Why don't you go to the park and try to sell mistletoe to get breast implants? I mean, what is -- first of all, I think orthodontists are a bunch of scams anyway. Everybody used them. When I was a kid, nobody ever used those damn things, number one.

Number two, anybody could go and sell things in a public place, where is it going to stop? I think they're exactly right to throw her out.
Plus, the facts that she doesn't need the damn things.

TANTAROS: You just equated braces with breast implants?

BECKEL: Close.

TANTAROS: I guess if she has one, she doesn't need the other. I mean, look, if I were her, why doesn't she run around -- then no one will be looking at her teeth.

PERINO: I got it, I got it.

GUTFELD: Where is this going?

BECKEL: That's disgusting.

TANTAROS: What didn't she have the little bag, why didn't she just say the mistletoe is weed? I mean, people are talking about pot. She should say, yes, free marijuana or maybe she put a condom in the bag, then she's a kid who cares. Maybe they like that more in that liberal city.

BECKEL: You get me a little closer to the park.

BOLLING: Before I get to you guys. Can we just hear when she asked about some people begging next to her, she asked the park ranger, listen to what happened.


ROOT: What is it about? It is about people being able to beg but I can't raise money, work hard, have a good work ethic, but they can beg?


BOLLING: Your thoughts?

PERINO: I love her. I love how she's put together, she's got her arguments, she's solid, she's got great instincts. And I hope that -- well, when I heard it, that a lot of donations poured in so she can get her braces. But we can use a lot more young girls like that that willing to do what it takes to help their families out and, you know, it's not easy to go out and sell something, especially when you're 11.

BOLLING: She said I wanted to work for it.

PERINO: She should try to sell like --

BOLLING: I don't want to beg for it, I prefer to work for it.

PERINO: She should try to sell snowy owl.

BECKEL: What's that?

PERINO: An endangered species. See what happens then.

GUTFELD: Can just put her picture up again? What I find amazing about this young girl -- no, the other picture, moron.


GUTFELD: All right. Never mind.

BECKEL: That just crossed us for the people who -- there you go.

GUTFELD: Yes, you guys.

BOLLING: Your thoughts?

GUTFELD: My thoughts are, she should be arrested. Mistletoe leads to kissing, which can lead to sexually transmitted diseases.

TANTAROS: That's why the condom in her bag.

GUTFELD: It's a public health concern. I think she should be arrested. And it disgusts me that --


BECKEL: She's a smart kid.

BOLLING: I got to be honest with you. She's an adorable young lady, very stand-up wonderful person who is just trying to work hard.

GUTFELD: By the way, a great name. A great name. Madison Root is an awesome name.


GUTFELD: That's what I wanted. I wanted to say how large she is compared to the trees, that's all I wanted to say.

TANTAROS: We're joking about this, but isn't this the perfect metaphor for the government putting people out of business? This is what's happening all across America. She's just happens to be one of the younger recipients.

BOLLING: Don't work. Wouldn't it be easier for you just to beg, you don't have a permit.

TANTAROS: Yes, get a check.

BOLLING: All right. American culture in free fall part two to Texas, where Jake Yates High School girls are dressing so provocatively, administrators had to tell them to tone it down, ladies. But this administrator, did she take it too far? School support officer, Dr. Tamika Richardson, suggested that girls stop dressing like, quote, "hos". Some parents weren't happy about that.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is not appropriate to be used in that school (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don't know what kind of homes half of these girls are coming from or any of these kids are coming from. And for you to make a statement like that, you don't know their living conditions and you don't know their parents' financial state. That may be the only thing that they have to wear. And for you to say something like that, that's inconsiderate.


BOLLING: Your thoughts, Ands?

TANTAROS: OK. Maybe the girls were dressed inappropriately, but I don't think the administrator should use the term "hos". She's trying to get girls to dress like ladies, then she should speak like a lady and not use that term.

And she apologized. But dress codes are dress codes. I'm not buying that argument you just heard from that woman saying maybe they don't have enough money to buy, what, a couple more inches on their skirt or the rest of their half baby t-shirts or whatever? I'm not buying that. But she should apologize for using the term "ho."

GUTFELD: Yes, they probably could use a better word. But that's the point. People don't care about meaning anymore. All they care about are the words.

So, in a sense, all words these days are fighting words. The woman meant well, but she's at the mercy of others deciding what the meaning is for what she says.

And it doesn't just happen here, it happens everywhere, it goes back to Alec Baldwin who was not being homophobic, he was screaming at a photographer. But it doesn't matter because you're at the mercy of people deciding what you need and that's scary.


BECKEL: I know what I mean, go ahead.

PERINO: I think that when the woman was saying you don't know what kind of homes they come from, you don't know what their situation at home, I think what the administrator was doing is what you don't necessarily want the teacher to have to be the parent or the schools in order to be the parent. But maybe these girls needed to hear this from somebody in authority to say, you know what? I care about you, I want you to be successful. You won't be successful if you continue to dress like that, you will not make it, you will not get a job.

And so, she used the word "ho". I guess she apologized it. But I think --


BECKEL: Have you driven by a high school lately? They do look like a bunch of hos.

PERINO: Bob, not many people drive by high schools.


PERINO: It's inappropriate.

BECKEL: In cold weather, those girls are going to freeze. There are more belly buttons at these high schools than you see in swimming class.

BOLLING: All right.


BOLLING: Coming up, fast food workers are planning minimum wage strikes across the country this week. Meanwhile, interns at liberal media outlet "Mother Jones" are reportedly being told to sign up for food stamps.
Apparently, "Mother Jones" wants her kids to suck at the government's teat, not hers. That's next on "The Five".

BECKEL: You shouldn't say that.

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PERINO: The battle over the minimum wage is heating up as fast food workers in about 100 cities plan to walk off the job this Thursday in what could be the largest turnout yet in the quest for higher pay. Strike organizers are demanding a $15 an hour wage for employees of McDonald's, Wendy's and other fast food restaurants. Is this fair or could a raise in salaries cause more harm than good?

Eric, let's start with you.

When it comes to low wage menial workers, does a push like this actually help or hurt them in the long run?

BOLLING: Well, there's a great study this year. Walmart who wanted to go into Washington, D.C., into the city of D.C., and they'd never had stores there, they planned up a six stores, a couple of thousand employees.
The city decided they'd tack on a minimum wage for Walmart alone, calling big box retailers only, any other big box retailer.

But it basically put them at a disadvantage to other retailers. So, what happens? Walmart says, you know what, forget it. We're going to scrap the plans for six stores, thousands of employees, they start to pull out and the D.C. City Council to their credit said, hold on, we're not going to do that.

The point being, when you raise a minimum wage, you tell businesses what they have to pay, they may choose to go somewhere else. I find it interesting that Walmart keeps getting the brunt of the people's ire, the leftist ire for, I don't know, taking other small companies out of the game, yet Jeff Bezos at Amazon tells other publishers, smaller publishers, either get leaner, get bigger or get out of the way, but he's held up as a hero.

Bottom line: this is all about the unions. Walmart pushes back at the unions, no one else does, so Walmart gets beat up by the left.


PERINO: Bob, the National Restaurant Association reports that really a small percentage of fast food jobs that pay the minimum wage. And they're not meant to be your lifelong job. Do you think that this is smart or is it an SEIU push in order to get more members?

BECKEL: I think -- well, first of all, I don't think you can live on what they make at McDonald's.

But here's -- everybody I think can agree that the University of Chicago is the leading economic business school in the country. It's very conservative. There, after doing an analysis over two years, their bottom line was that there is no, zero, impact on the increase in minimum wage on job growth. Same with Bloomberg, same with the economists.

People reaching the argument that Eric raises, and all of these people, oh, you increase these jobs and everybody's minimum wage --

PERINO: But would you submit that it actually --

BECKEL: It doesn't cost jobs.

PERINO: Oh, it saves jobs?

BECKEL: It actually turns out in the economist --

BOLLING: What should the minimum wage be?

BECKEL: For me, personally, 15, 20 bucks.

BOLLING: Why not 50 if it doesn't affect job growth, right?


BOLLING: You tell me that raising the minimum raise to 100 bucks an hour --

BECKEL: What's wrong with raising the minimum wage?

BOLLING: I don't know what study your reading.

BECKEL: Oh, I see, Bloomberg economists and the University of Chicago are wrong. And you're correct.

TANTAROS: OK, we'll look at history.

BOLLING: I'm not taking your word for it.


TANTAROS: Congress, the last time they raised the minimum wage they raised it 2.6 percent in 2009 at a time when most people weren't getting wage increases. Subsequently, six months after that, 600,000 teenagers who are disproportionately affected by this, unskilled workers, or low income workers, or teenagers, disappeared. Those jobs were gone in six months.

When you raise the price of anything, Bob, people are going to take less of it. It doesn't come from thin air, the money that they're using to pay for these jobs. There are going to either be a higher price for something, like in the restaurant, they raise the minimum wage, what did my parents do? They increased the price of coffee. People went crazy.

But as you point out, Dana, a lot of these restaurants, most people make more than minimum wage anyway.

PERINO: What do you think about the boycott, Greg, of the fast food workers -- not the boycott, I'm sorry, the strike, that they're going to walk out --


PERINO: Don't you think some liberals are probably glad about that because they don't want us to eat trans fats?

GUTFELD: Perhaps. I'm glad you said strike and not boycott because boycott is sexist.

I have to say this, Eric's right. If you discount any kind of business effects, profits, hiring or any other kind of business cost, there is no essential limit to the minimum wage. You can say minimum wage can be
$1,000 an hour because the left doesn't have any response to that because they choose to ignore the variables that make a business successful.
They've never had to make a business successful because they are bureaucrats.

Look at this very simply as a temporary wrong in life. You got two sisters, one is 20 years old and she works at McDonald's. If you give her a pay hike to 20 bucks an hour, she stays. Her 15-year-old sister doesn't get that job. It's about moving up, getting -- learning skills at a particular rung and moving up.

When you make the lowest rung, a higher wage, they're less likely to move up and learn skills. That's a fact, that's common sense that doesn't equate --

PERINO: That comment says Dr. Ben Carson, one of our favorites here on "The Five", he actually tweeted earlier today, something along those lines. He says, "It's important for those in poverty to work hard even with minimum wages, they gain knowledge and skill that will allow for upward progress," which is really what we should be about.

GUTFELD: And the other thing, too, is what about -- I mean, how can you talk about a minimum wage nationally any way? It's New York City, like Sparks, Nevada, the cost of living is different everywhere, but it's never going to be enough, is it?

TANTAROS: Not to the government, Greg, remember. We all have the same health benefits, right, where it's a one-size-fits-all for health care, for business.

But, Bob, I don't understand it, if you take money, someone's going to have to pay, the business owner or the consumer. Who pays?

BECKEL: It's a reasonable argument that Eric makes, I don't think you should raise it to the point where you do count the profits.

GUTFELD: Who decides?

BECKEL: But if you do have an increase in minimum wage, it says here among other things --

GUTFELD: Who decides then, Bob? Should you be the one who decides in?

BECKEL: No, the legislature should. They did in New Jersey and the business said, oh, we're going to lose our jobs, nobody lost their jobs.

PERINO: But, Eric, last word to you, what you just (INAUDIBLE).

BOLLING: How about the study that Bob cited?

BECKEL: Studies.

BOLLING: Studies. That leading economists agreed by four that the benefits of raising and indexing the minimum wage outweigh the cost. They didn't actually come to the same conclusion.


PERINO: All right. We got to go. Why would this pro-gun ad shut down by the NFL, stopping it from running in the Super Bowl? Greg's got the commercial controversy directly ahead on "The Five".


GUTFELD: So here's an ad you won't be seeing during the upcoming Super Bowl.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My family's safety is my highest priority. I am responsible for their protection. And no one has the right to tell me how to defend it. So I've chosen the most effective tool for the job.


GUTFELD: So, he's using a baby to protect his family? This doesn't make sense.

Actually, that's from Daniel Defense which makes guns. It was rejected because the NFL's policy bans ads featuring firearms. The problem is, in that ad, there are no guns except for one in the logo which the company offered to get rid of.

Still no go, because this is really not about guns at all but the idea of guns. And how distasteful they are, not to you, but to people in the media, the ad execs, TV producers, the well-protected anchors, all who wouldn't know a real gun if it poked them in the butt.

So, while they don't mind football's violence or the booze commercials or the White House trying to propagandize the sport, just the idea of mentioning defense makes them jittery in their snotty intolerance. If the result of one class ruling over the another, the enlightened media over you, which is why it's OK for Bob Costas to lecture you but a gun company can't buy time to talk protection.

So, why does self-defense scare these NFL execs? Well, someone becomes scared of an opposing idea when they know their own perspective is personal, not factual. Statistics even from our own government dispute so many cliches about lawful gun ownership that the science for now favors the gun owner. So, while the media can hate a certain right, what they really hate more is you, for being right.

You know what's brilliant about this whole thing, Andrea? You get great press if your ad gets rejected.


GUTFELD: And you don't pay the money. What's it like, $4 million for
30 seconds? This ad is all over the place because they got rejected.

TANTAROS: He doesn't need the ad to run at the Super Bowl. In fact, if I were a different gun manufacturer, next year, I'd already start making my ad so it can run all over the news network.

OK, the NFL, I understand they're under fire. They've got their guys wearing the pink cleats and they've got the Ravens talking ObamaCare. It's a more feminized, softer NFL.

Why don't they put out the pigskin, Greg, bring out the Nerf ball, play in a bouncy castle, maybe change the name Dallas Cowboys because cowboys use guns, like the tabby cats, and the Patriots use guns, we can
call them the pantlitiers (ph), or something, you know, less violent. I
mean, it's absolutely ridiculous.

But the NFL again, more pressure and they're catering to, as you point out, the elitist, the media, people who don't even really love football.
Their fans, most of whom, probably have guns.

GUTFELD: Bob, a good point, though, I think the Dallas cowgirls, the cheerleaders do a lot of this. Should that stop?


BECKEL: No, but I sat in for Larry King one night and they had the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. I thought the first time I'm going to have a good one, right? What happens, it was the original Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders.

The -- I think, look, you guys keep talking --

GUTFELD: They were your age.

BECKEL: They were.

You talk about the free market, they have the right to do. The NFL has a right to keep these things the off the air. I wouldn't put the thing on.

First of all, it's a lousily produced commercial. And secondly, I mean, I think you're right. You can put your baby out front and it will catch a bullet?

I mean, they have a right to do it, they should do it, and I'm glad they're doing it.

GUTFELD: No, he does have a point, Eric, that it's on FOX, but NFL can choose whatever they want, even if you disagree with it.

BOLLING: And -- right, correct. But cars kill a lot of people, too, and there are car ads and drinking kills a lot of people and there will be a lot of alcohol ads. But you're 100 percent right. It's a free market.
It's a free business, they can pick and choose which advertisers they want to turn down. If they want to turn down 4 million bucks a minute, then knock yourself out, I guess I get it.

I'm just offended. In fact, it's a Second Amendment right.

The commercial is not even about shooting. It's about protecting your family. I guarantee you there will be two or three security companies advertising during the Super Bowl.

GUTFELD: That's a good point. They always have the little alarm, someone's breaking in the house and the only thing that can really stop it because by the time a cop gets to your house, the crime's been committed.
The only thing that stops that perp is a bullet in the head, but Dana always says that during the break.


BECKEL: About you.


Football's pretty violent. Kind of funny that they're against this very calm ad.

PERINO: Well, I would be curious on the NFL's policy regarding movies that glorify guns. Because you know that the big movies and the ones that are coming out in the spring are going to be advertising on the Super Bowl.


PERINO: I also thing that it is not enough, I don't believe, for these people to get their ad talked about on news programs because, even though we are good, like 2 million or 3 million compared to tens of millions of people that paid $100,000 to make the ad. And I would think that if the video games and the movies are going to be able to be advertised on the NFL, that they should rethink this.

BECKEL: Did you hear about the Disney film, all the people watching movies down in Florida and, all of a sudden, they cut out from that and somebody spliced in a -- I won't say it. The producer told me not to use that line.

TANTAROS: A Jets game here in New York and they're playing the Bills, they show people shooting at the buffaloes on the big screen.


TANTAROS: They're inconsistent.

GUTFELD: I throw my pen.

TANTAROS: You're angry.

GUTFELD: I'm angry. Enraged, if you will.

A disturbing new report claims a secret deal was made ahead of the nuclear talks between the U.S. and Iran that left these three Americans who are being held by the mullahs out in the cold, these three Americans.

BOLLING: Those three.

GUTFELD: OK. Bob's outraged to tell you why, next on "The Five".


BECKEL: A new report -- excuse me. All right. Thank you. A new report claims -- Dana and Greg, would you guys like to...

GUTFELD: Dana just took a picture of me bending over picking up my pen.

BECKEL: OK, good. OK, fine.

GUTFELD: And I have plumber's butt on live television.

BECKEL: Now, if we can just get on to this, after Greg's butt, a new report said part of the recent nuke deal between the U.S. and Iran involved the release of an Iranian nuclear scientist who was arrested in California.

Well, what about three Americans, including a Christian pastor and former FBI agent, who are still being held by the mullahs? Why haven't we heard about them, and why were the not in the midst of negotiations?

This is something that's -- I've talked about for some weeks. I just for the life of me cannot understand, for a nuclear scientist why you couldn't get a pastor and a former FBI agent and an elderly person out.
Seems to me that's a pretty good deal, but worse than that, it wasn't raised. Somebody better explain to me why they didn't bring it up -- Dana.

PERINO: Well, diplomacy, as you know, having worked at the State Department, is never easy and is not clear-cut. And there could be -- hopefully, there is information behind the scenes that we don't know about.
They might be -- they might be in danger that we don't know about, so if they talk about it, there could be even more problems.

So I try to give the administration a little pass on that. Although they did say proactively that they did not bring up Pastor Saeed in the discussions in Geneva, which seems preposterous if we are allowing scientists who can actually make a bomb, allowed to go so that he can return to the country.

GUTFELD: That was my nickname in high school. You know, I get the feeling the White House actively avoids doing anything initially suggested by FOX News. Like, if we say something about the pastor they're like, "No, we're not doing it." If we give any kind of suggestion about anything or do a story, they avoid it. So I think we have to trick the White House.
We have to applaud them for not doing something. Like I think it's great that they didn't get the pastor.

PERINO: Leave them there. We'd love that.

TANTAROS: We could do that as an experiment.

GUTFELD: Yes. Reverse psychology. Might work.

BECKEL: The nuclear scientist seems to me that it's worth at least three draft choices.

BOLLING: You may hate me for this. I'm a practicing Catholic Christian who would love to see the release of all -- this pastor.

However, I think that, if you're going to negotiate with terrorists like Iran, you keep it on the issues. You keep the financial pressure on them. Let them come to the bargaining table with concrete options to reduce their nuclear weapons or weapons-grade material and stop playing around with "we're going to release one of your scientists, you give us one of our pastors."

BECKEL: They worship (UNINTELLIGIBLE). But what do you think about this point? I mean, the -- should they have not at least raised the issue?
Every time we go to China we raise human rights. Why not raise this guy's name?

TANTAROS: And it's strange that they didn't. Because when the president called the new leader of Iran, Rouhani, he actually brought up the pastor. And to his credit, Obama brought it up. But the fact that he didn't follow up is mind-boggling.

And if I'm the Iranians I'm like, "Are you really serious about getting him back? I mean, it can't be that big of a deal. You mentioned him on the phone, OK. But you didn't bring him up in negotiations?"

So maybe there is something that we don't know. But the time to really enact change in the Iranians was in 2009 during the Green Revolution. If you really wanted to change the mentality of the Iranians, the time was then. Now too late.

BECKEL: These negotiations have been going on for well over a year.
"One More Thing" is up next.


TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing." Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: OK. So life imitating art. Paul Walker, "Fast and Furious"
fame, died in a fiery car accident. Now art imitating life again. Look what happened last night on "The Wheel of Fortune." Can't make this stuff up.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "The Fast and the Furious."

PAT SAJAK, HOST, "WHEEL OF FORTUNE": You've got it. Yes, sir. Nice going.


SAJAK: Look what you did there.


BOLLING: So in their defense, that aired last night. "The Wheel of Fortune." And Pat Sajak, @patsajak, e-mailed or typed and said, that was sent out weeks ago so they couldn't pull it back.

PERINO: Yes, they taped it a long time ago.

BOLLING: Yes. Taped it a long time ago. But kind of strange.

BECKEL: Harrison Okene, 29 years old, went down with an oil ship off the coast of Nigeria. Went down to 100 feet, and he lived for three days.
Here's a picture of his rescue.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're following, yes?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's alive, he's alive. OK. Keep with me. Keep with me.

All right. Just hold him there.


BECKEL: I'm sorry. I'm still looking at the video.

PERINO: Earth to Bob. Earth to Bob.

BECKEL: That's an amazing thing. As a diver myself, 100 feet down there, and he found an air pocket. Everybody else died. Congratulations.


PERINO: You're a diver yourself?

BOLLING: You're a diver?

BECKEL: I dive, yes. What's wrong with that?

GUTFELD: One of those big, old...

BECKEL: No, to look at the fish at 30 feet. What is with you?

PERINO: You learn something every day. You do.

We talked about our Americans that are being held in Iran. I wanted to mention somebody that we should try to remember on today. His name is Alan Gross. He's a former USAID contractor. He is jailed in Cuba.

Today is the fourth anniversary. He's been held five years in Cuba.
And there is concern that the government has forgotten him. The State Department reassured us today that they have not. His crime? He was trying to provide Internet access to people there. So the government in Cuba was trying to suppress people from getting access to information.

We should all remember Alan Gross on this day.


GUTFELD: I want to wish a happy ninth anniversary to my wife, Elena.
And I hope to God she did not watch today. Because I'm going to be dead when I get home.

TANTAROS: Why? She's already seen your butt crack.

GUTFELD: Yes. But -- yes. But she's going to kill me. I will not be here tomorrow.

BECKEL: Elena, one thing's for certain: you could have done a lot better and he couldn't, OK?

TANTAROS: And in honor of Greg's anniversary check out this video of Tippy the fainting squirrel. Now it's a little perplexing. Watch this guy. Can't stay on his feet. Boom, there he goes. I don't know if we can run that again. It happened very quickly. But Tippy, there he -- just a couple moments later there he goes.

BECKEL: That reminds me of when I was drinking.

TANTAROS: And then boom, down goes tippy.

PERINO: Maybe he had some berries.

TANTAROS: It does look like -- they're saying it may be a toxin or a brain tumor. But let's hope...

PERINO: Let's hope he's just drunk.

BECKEL: Aww. A squirt of Jim Beam is what it is.

TANTAROS: All right. Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you right back here tomorrow.

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