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Does President Obama face a credibility crisis?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," November 22, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Brian Kilmeade.

It's 5 o'clock and this is "The Five".

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GUILFOYLE: Today, we are remembering President John F. Kennedy, 50 years after he was assassinated. It's a day that marks his death but today we'll remember his life tonight on "The Five". And we hope you'll stay with us for that.

But first, another day, another ObamaCare delay. This one pushing back the enrollment period until after the 2014 midterm elections. Now, according to one journalist, the unraveling of the health care law is leading some liberals to, quote-unquote, "freak out".

Here's Mark Halperin.

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MARK HALPERIN, JOURNALIST: As I've traveled around the country, I'm meeting liberals who are freaking out over what's going on because their dream of universal health care may be going down at the same time the president's popularity is going down, the same time people trust in him is going down.

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GUILFOYLE: So where does the president go from here?

Well, "National Journal's" Ron Fournier says that if he loses his credibility, he's toast.

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RON FOURNIER, NATIONAL JOURNAL: He got through some tough times because people liked him and trusted him. As soon as the president loses that competency and credibility with the public, which Bush did in 2005 and President Obama is now, they're toast. Especially in their second term, there is really no history of a president in their second term having come down this far ever coming back up.

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GUILFOYLE: OK. The dream, Eric, of ObamaCare going down the toilet faster than the liquid plumber assist. That was for Greg since he's not --

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ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So, this new news that they decided they're going to delay the second year of the ObamaCare signups -- until two weeks after the midterm elections, I would say that's probably sleazy cheap politics as you get. Jay Carney said it wasn't politics but --

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: It's not very subtle.

BOLLING: It's not subtle at all, but sleazy and cheap.

But, you know, they've been saying this isn't about politics. It's about policy. It's about providing health care for 30 million Americans or whatever they're saying.

But then they pull this and you realize that's all they're doing. They're trying to save some face instead of just realizing we made a mistake and we have to start over and we scratch and we'll try again.

GUILFOYLE: No surprise, Dana, this happened. We were predicting it. I mean, as everybody was. They weren't ready to go. They weren't ready to launch at the time.

And now, I mean, this just seems like more and more of a pipe dream and more and more of a pushback.

PERINO: I think it spells out several things. When Mark Halperin says Democrats are freaking out, I think if you look at some of the articles, for example, one of the being that Denis McDonough said in June that he was spending two hours a day on ObamaCare. He's the chief of staff of the White House, who's in charge of everything.

So, two hours a day, he's in charge of information flow at the White House. How could it possibly be if he had to spend that much time on it that President Obama was so surprised that the Web site doesn't work?

GUILFOYLE: Right.

PERINO: The lack of subtlety when it comes to clearly what they've decided, which is that this is not ready for prime time. Companies are telling them, employers are telling them, we need more time. The insurance companies are saying, we can't do this fix that you brought up two weeks ago.

So, every day it's like you pull on that thread and the sweater is unraveling. It's going to leave out so many people in the cold. The poor people that they're worried that are in that gap between doesn't qualify for Medicaid, can't get ObamaCare, can't get the subsidies, the anxiety that these people feel about not being covered but wanting to do the right thing. I think is contributing to the fact that you have coverage like this -- I'll just call for this and I'll stop talking.

The "Economist" magazine, big ObamaCare supporter, big Obama supporter -- this is their cover this week, "The man who used to walk on water." And this is representative of how the media finally is starting to look at the policy bringing down the politics.

BOLLING: And "Time."

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: "Time" has their cover, too.

GUILFOYLE: Brian, your take?

BRIAN KILMEADE, CO-HOST: Disappointed. To me, you lived it -- excuse me to use this example -- I just watched it. But when the occupation in Iraq was going poorly, the president made a decision to get an Iraqi study group together on both sides. That's how bad it was. Hey, I admit it, there's a problem.

PERINO: It took six months.

KILMEADE: It took six months. They got a conclusion. They got a series of answers. He ends up firing his generals, Rumsfeld is gone, and the president ends up choosing the surge. It ends up making military history. He made extremely tough decision, but he got both sides involved.

GUILFOYLE: That showed leadership.

KILMEADE: That's where we're at right now with the ObamaCare. Now, I'm not a health care expert but you don't have to be to see what's going wrong.

This plan is not fixable. It's not workable. It's not implementable.

Why does he not realize that? Why are we worried about poll numbers and semantics and who's -- this is not working. It's a disaster. It's leaking. Why does he not acknowledge it? Why are liberals marching into the White House to get a message down? Why are we having nuclear talks on Thursday about 51 votes?

This is an emergency. And I'm telling you, he would defuse a lot of Republican resistance if he would admit this is the point we're at right now.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Yes, but --

GUILFOYLE: Yes, bob, answer all that, please, in the same order that Brian said.

BECKEL: Let me do all of that in one time.

First of all, for Fournier, let me make a point that he ought to go back to look at his history. There were two presidents who had lower ratings and came way back up, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. So that's the answer to your point. It's recoverable.

In this case, you don't believe it works. Eric, nobody around this table with the exception of me thinks there's probably some hope for it.

Obama believes it works.

BOLLING: Why?

BECKEL: Because he thinks there's a way to get himself through this.

Now, you can argue the policy. You can argue and say it's impossible. And if it is impossible, Obama's presidency is pretty much over.

GUILFOYLE: I don't think he really believed it's going to work. Bob, I think he desperately hopes it's somehow going to get fixed.

BECKEL: No --

GUILFOYLE: But if he's a reasonable man, he should have some serious concern about --

BECKEL: Sure, he's got concerns. How do you not have concern?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. But that's my point.

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BOLLING: Explain the news today that they decided to wait until two weeks after the midterms for the new signup. They literally pushed it back one month. I mean, how stupid do they think the American people are, to say, you know, it was going to be October, end of October, October 30th, 31st, and now it's going to be November 15th?

BECKEL: I can explain it very simply.

BOLLING: Really?

BECKEL: It makes a politically smart decision about 2014 election.

BOLLING: Is that not just admitting --

GUILFOYLE: So conniving.

BOLLING: Is that not just admitting that the Democrats are in trouble in 2014 because of ObamaCare?

BECKEL: Do you not -- I mean, how many times do we need to say it? You're making this point over and over again that it's going to unravel. It's not going to work.

Well, if you're right, it's not worth spending a lot more time on it, is it?

BOLLING: But what's the month about, Bob? What's one month going to do?

BECKEL: It's going to get it through the election.

KILMEADE: Right.

BOLLING: Why didn't they say that?

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BECKEL: They're not going to say. By the way, I don't think the American people get up in the morning and say, oh, my God, what a smart, strategic move that was.

KILMEADE: But, Bob, you think they would agree, look at the size of my premiums and my deductible, and what does that cancellation notice in the mail. So, this hit everybody's kitchen table.

BECKEL: There are 5 million people who got cancellation notices, right. I bet you 4 million of them have insurance policies by January 1.

KILMEADE: And do you know, at least, according to the study, on "Economist", 28 percent of people in corporate who are in businesses between 50 and 500 will have their policies canceled by these companies.

BECKEL: If that's right --

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GUILFOYLE: That's quite a legacy.

PERINO: That is why -- also on the freak-out part, Democrats freaking out. The dream was based on socialized medicine or single payer program. That was the actual goal. Then they tried this hybrid thing trying to create a marketplace and increase competition, and that is what is falling apart.

So, now they're stuck with a program that is unworkable and politics that will never happen for them. And in the meantime, we have all these people that are anxiety about their insurance. Their deductibles, as Eric pointed out yesterday, through the roof. And guess what happens in January, you find out all the doctors that don't get to be included on your plan. For all the things that they promised are not happening

BECKEL: That's why those of us who are for single-payers saying, "We told you so." I mean --

PERINO: That's why the conservatives can say to you that "we told you so" as well.

BECKEL: Well --

PERINO: And then where are we? We're nowhere.

BECKEL: I have -- you know, I have consistently supported single- payer.

GUILFOYLE: More uninsured Americans. (INAUDIBLE) his legacy.

BECKEL: If I have a choice between what the health care system was, insurance system was, before this act was passed into law and after, I would still take for after.

BOLLING: Why? You really would?

BECKEL: Because I think that the system was falling part.

PERINO: Who's more insured?

BECKEL: Every year for 50 years in a row, insurance premiums have gone up, the cost of health care went up.

BOLLING: Can I make another --

BECKEL: Why do you think everybody wanted to change health care, Democrats and Republican both?

BOLLING: Can I make another prediction? You're going to walk back all these comments at some point, midway through next year when realize people --

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BOLLING: All the stuff, that this is a better system than what we had prior to ObamaCare.

One more thought though. You and I talked about this in the hallway earlier today. What's happening is a lot of people are logging on, a lot of people who -- the 5.5 million who don't have insurance right now because they've been canceled are logging on and realizing that they --

BECKEL: No, they do have insurance. They won't have it on January 1.

BOLLING: They won't have it on January 1st. Their insurance is going away. So, they have to replace, right? So, they're looking and they're finding that a lot of them are going to qualify for Medicaid.

So, a lot of people who were paying for insurance are now going to be taking off --

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PERINO: No, they won't --

BECKEL: Oh, substandard plans that they had?

BOLLING: That's substandard care. Medicaid is substandard --

PERINO: Medicaid.

BECKEL: I'll tell you, there's a lot of people on Medicaid who bless the fact that they got it --

KILMEADE: But no doctors want it. They need a doctors fix to pay for it.

PERINO: But what they want -- what Bob is saying was what they really wanted was for everybody to be on some version of Medicaid. Maybe call it something else. That was -- that was the goal.

But that was never going to be -- the American people would never accept that because they thought there was a better way. They tried this hybrid way. They did in a partisan approach.

I don't see the need for Republicans to basically toss them a land line at this point. A lifeline, excuse me.

Can I mention one other thing?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. And I want to --

PERINO: Yesterday, last night, "Politico" ran a story about older congressional staffers who are starting to freak out that their premium prices and deductibles are going up by three to four times what they were paying before and now they want changes.

GUILFOYLE: Well, cue the commercials. Are you better off than you were four years -- I mean, forget about it. This is really an abysmal failure. I don't see how he comes out of this.

PERINO: But people are finding out.

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GUILFOYLE: Let's take a listen to this. I want to take a listen to this. I think this is significant because the question is, is somebody going to call the repo man? Should we repeal this? What do the Republicans do?

Well, George Will, giving voting and what's going on, has an interesting perspective about the GOP's past potentially to repeal ObamaCare.

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GEORGE WILL, WASHINGTON POST: If in the spring in 2017, there is a Republican president, which there could be, the Republicans still hold the House and they have 51 senators, they can repeal ObamaCare with 51 votes. I'm not sure the people who have did this today have thought this through.

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GUILFOYLE: All right. So, he's talking about the nuclear option, the filibuster isn't there. This could be the outcome --

BECKEL: He's flat wrong --

GUILFOYLE: Well, this is what we're going to discuss right now.

So do the Democrats think this through? Because this looks like it could be potential reality. You may disagree as to whether or not it's viable. We can talk about that.

BECKEL: When he talks about the nuclear option that the Democrats passed, it was solely about executive appointees and judges --

PERINO: However, Bob, today at the podium when the White House was asked, would you then hive off -- would you not allow this rule to go towards legislation, and they would not rule it out.

It's not -- why would anybody believe what the White House has to say? They've flip-flopped on every issue on principle.

BECKEL: The White House is going to say what they want about it, but the Senate would never go along with that.

GUILFOYLE: The point is it might not be specifically tailored.

BECKEL: No, it doesn't apply --

GUILFOYLE: Bob, we're talking about this. I'm saying what could happen. It's not for sure a bright line rule so that is something you have to look at as a potential outcome.

BOLLING: I would agree with Bob on this one. I don't think it's even in the world of possibilities right now because let's just say George Will is right and in 2017 there's a Republican, House Senate and president, we'd be foolish to apply it or push it through to apply it to legislative matters. One day it's not going to be Republicans --

GUILFOYLE: But turns against you. That's the point. The Democrats think that through --

BOLLING: For one thing, though, I want the minority to have a voice.

KILMEADE: For one thing, I just know they wanted to change the temperature. They wanted to change the focus on. it's going to last a couple of days. It's almost over now.

But, Eric, if it was Monday, I might have agreed with you, but we've already been in uncharted waters for the past 24 hours.

GUILFOYLE: That's the point.

KILMEADE: They went ahead and made the threat a reality without having that last-minute gang of six. But they talked about doing it with Obama care.

PERINO: But court packing is very serious because all these laws are being passed have to go through the courts. They have the first back stop. And if you can't get it past the court, then you can't effect change. For a long-term investment with the Senate Democrats is probably good for them politically and terrible for the country.

BECKEL: OK. Let me just make one point -- there have been 23 circuit court judges who've been filibustered in the history of this country and 20 of them were under Barack Obama. Now, what does that tell you?

KILMEADE: Because it tells you, why are they doing that now?

BECKEL: Twenty out of 23 in five years.

KILMEADE: I agree with you. I think --

BECKEL: Does that say something about what the Republicans are trying to do here?

KILMEADE: They have. They have a beef. I don't think they should have taken it from where they took it now because look at what the unchartered waters they're in and the embarrassing comments that come back from 2005.

BECKEL: Twenty out of 23.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, Bob, you're cutting in on your JFK segment and I know you don't want to do that. We have to go.

All right. But when we come back, the world pays tribute to JFK exactly a half a century after his assassination, and so will we. We ask you to please stay with us on "The Five".

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BECKEL: That was a service honoring President John F. Kennedy in Dallas today where his life was taken exactly 50 years ago by an assassin's bullet. He was 46 years old.

I remember that day like it was yesterday, and how I felt after watching Walter Cronkite report this.

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WALTER CRONKITE, TV ANCHOR: From Dallas Texas, the flash apparently official, President Kennedy died at 1:00 p.m. Central Standard Time, 2:00 Eastern Standard Time, some 38 minutes agriculture.

Vice President Lyndon Johnson has left the hospital in Dallas. But we do not know to where he has proceeded. Presumably he will be taken the oath of office shortly and become the 36th president of the United States.

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BECKEL: I remember this. I was a young teenager during this. My dad was very heavily involved in the Kennedy campaign. I was in Providence, Rhode Island. It was a heavily Catholic Democratic City, and walked downtown. People were stopping their cars, literally stopping their cars in front of churches and walking into services.

The only people really talking then were priests and ministers.

An entire city -- Providence is not a huge city, but it's a big city, and it was silent. The whole place was silent. And then for three days we sat in front of the television. And there were only three networks then. And they went 24, wall to wall. Some weren't on late and early in the morning.

But -- and for three days we watched this unfold and the thing that struck me about it was how well first of all there's so much about it that I remember. Obviously, Oswald being killed. One thing that struck me during all that was the funeral procession more than anything else.

When Kennedy's casket was taken to Arlington National Cemetery from Capitol Hill and he went by his wife and son and daughter. His son, don't know if we have a picture of that, John John, saluted his father's casket when it went by. There it is.

And Caroline Kennedy who's next to her mother is now just recently sworn in as ambassador to Japan. Amazing how times have changed.

But -- so I lived through that period. The rest of you were not born. I guess Eric was about six months old.

But, Brian, what's your -- what do you think the legacy of Kennedy is today and when you were growing up, did you think much about it?

KILMEADE: One of the first things I saw I remember growing up, we always talked about -- "Time" magazine news of the day, one of the first things I saw was the "Time" magazine book, it was three days and it just talked about all the different scenes from that day. We discussed it all the time.

The other thing that sticks out to me is he was confident. He was rich. He was successful. But he just looked like a guy you wanted to hang out with. There was no arrogance there.

He looks like a guy when you watch him, and I just stared and listened to all these press conferences today, really comfortable in his own skin but also knows he wasn't perfect. As they analyze his presidency and they see how close the election was in which he was victorious and they see how big he was about to win the next election, I go and say, there was a guy in office that got better along the way.

And when he made a mistake like the Bay of Pigs, actually called his dad, in reading "The Patriarch" this year, the great book that was out, and said, what do we do? Him and Bobby on the phone. Admit you're wrong? Don't worry, you get over there. The good news is it happened early. You'll learn from this.

And he did. This was the story of a president that got better. And admitted he was human.

BECKEL: He also had, you know, followed up by the human missile crisis. I remember listening with my mother to the radio when Kennedy came on and explained there were nuclear warheads 90 miles away. It was frightening. I mean, this was at the height of the Cold War.

But, Dana, let me -- Kennedy was famous for his press conferences. There's tapes out about he's very funny. He could get a message out --

KILMEADE: He had 50 --

BECKEL: Huh?

KILMEADE: He had 50.

BECKEL: He had 50, right.

What was it about him as a communicator as you look back at tapes of him now?

PERINO: Well, I think one of the things I'm most impressed by in terms of his political skill, is it's not just what he said, it's how he made people feel. The assassination becomes that much more shocking and hurtful to the people that admired him so much because they made -- he made people feel good about America and feel good about one another. And that is the mark of a really great leader, and pulled people together in tumultuous times, like he was able to do.

And I also say that, always impressed by Jacqueline Kennedy. When I was working at the White House, I got to take some tours of the East Wing. At such a young age, she had a major impression on art and architecture and historical preservation. All across -- certainly fashion of course. Just to be so poised and gracious at such a young age. Then have to go through all of that tragedy -- really impressive.

BECKEL: That was interesting, Kimberly, when Jack Kennedy went to France with Jackie, Jackie spoke French fluently. Kennedy came back and said I was the one who accompanied Jackie Kennedy to France. She did redo the White House. She got a lot of art there.

In comparison with the Eisenhower years, Eisenhower was 70 years old when he got out of office. Here's this young vibrant 43-year-old president.

But what about Jackie? Do you think that --

GUILFOYLE: Really a special human being, certainly a historical iconic figure for American life. So many people admired her, the way she conducted herself in the face of just horrible tragedy and to be there right when your husband is murdered. You can only imagine what that was like and then the other tragedies that she suffered in her life.

I think there's a lot to learn about the human spirit. She was someone that was inspirational to so many Americans. And in fact, she continues to do so. When you think about this, you didn't have cable news, the 24 hour news cycle.

But this was played, all the coverage of it, on network news. We became so close to the family and to the event, that it's a shared memory for so many Americans.

BECKEL: Eric, let me ask you about this. The Kennedy was -- one of his biggest problems when he campaigned (INAUDIBLE), he was the first Roman Catholic -- would have been -- was the first Roman Catholic president. He had to go in fact to Texas to tell a group of ministers, Protestants, that, in fact, the pope would not run the White House.

But it was a serious problem then. And, I mean, religion has played less of a role I think in politics.

BOLLING: Absolutely.

BECKEL: I think we think about it during the following years and all that but back then Catholics were a big group but they were not in the key states of the South.

BOLLING: First Catholic president. I watch this stuff. Like you said, I think I was 8 months old when it happened so I don't remember any of it. But I just watched -- you look at the news reels, and you listen to these announcers and you hear the emotion. You go, what would -- I can't imagine how sad America could have been at that -- those moments.

KILMEADE: The world.

BOLLING: JFK, RFK, the world really.

But also, just sitting here and watching it, the emotion -- it's just an awful time. Thank God it hasn't happened again. Pray to God it will never happen again.

But how much hate must you have in your body to kill a president just for his ideology?

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BECKEL: A lot of us, including myself, held Dallas responsible for that. You know, Kennedy went down to Dallas to patch up rifts in the Democratic Party. He was there -- Lyndon Johnson asked him to go.

And Jackie Kennedy never traveled domestically, very rarely. But she decided to go on this trip. But it was a remarkable time.

PERINO: But you don't blame Dallas now?

BECKEL: Huh?

PERINO: You don't blame Dallas today?

BECKEL: Oh, God, no. Not at all. And I think they -- Dallas had a tribute today that was absolutely sensational.

Coming up, Kmart and Joe Boxer give us a jingle bell peep show. Allen West gives black leaders a piece of his mind. Mike Tyson gives Evander Holyfield a piece of his ear back.

All that and more ahead on "The Five".

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BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.

You're in for another round of one of your favorite segments, three pieces of sound, three provocative moments in the news today.

We've got men in briefs, Colonel West on race, Tyson and Holyfield and a bitten off ear.

First off, Kmart taking heat for airing this ad for men's underwear brand Joe Boxer.

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BOLLING: So what do you think, delightful or distasteful?

Dana, what are your thoughts on this one?

PERINO: Well, I have to say that my mom first brought this to my attention three nights ago, in a text after the show. She said, have you seen this Kmart ad about Joe Boxer?

I said, I don't know what you're talking about. She said, maybe it would be a good thing for your show. I don't know if she thought it was delightful or distasteful. I just know that my mom finally got a --

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BOLLING: What do you think?

PERINO: I think look, it might get me into Kmart to by something. I know where there's a Kmart, down in midtown. I might go.

BOLLING: Ladies first.

GUILFOYLE: I absolutely love it.

I'm just wondering, what if I made an ad like that with bells and, you know, what would they say?

PERINO: Oh, the visual.

GUILFOYLE: If it was women.

BECKEL: They would be -- it would be --

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GUILFOYLE: If it was women doing that, what would people say?

Thank you, Bob.

BECKEL: I tell you, I think it's kind of funny. Whoever got that through marketing and got that on television, I cannot believe they did that.

BOLLING: Quick thought on this one?

KILMEADE: I think it works because we're talking about, it's boxers not briefs. I'm not comfortable in briefs.

GUILFOYLE: Wait. What?

BOLLING: Brian, everyone wants to know right now, boxers or briefs? You?

KILMEADE: I'm boxer.

BOLLING: All right. Boxer and brief, we got to move on.

PERINO: What about you, Bob?

GUILFOYLE: What about you, Bob?

BECKEL: Nothing.

BOLLING: No!

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GUILFOYLE: Oh! Why did I ask that?

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KILMEADE: You need a follow-up question?

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: Oh, it's so close to me.

BOLLING: All right, next up.

Colonel Allen West was asked about the knockout game --

KILMEADE: TV Newsers got a headline.

BOLLING: Knockout game and specifically why the so-called black leaders in America have gone silent on the side.

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GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: How about Jesse Jackson and Reverend Sharpton, why are they silent, Allen?

ALLEN WEST (R-FL), FORMER CONGRESSMAN: There's no profit for them. There's no political gain, no political advantage for them.

They don't care because they live off of the victimization. So, therefore, as long as you have black communities that see themselves as victims, that helps to perpetuate their existence. Now, all of a sudden, if you jump in -- why don't they say anything in Chicago about the black on black crime? Because they don't have a point in that. It doesn't elevate them.

That's why these guys should be totally irrelevant and should not be listened to, whatsoever.

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BOLLING: So, what do you think, honestly overlooked or cowardly ignored?

I'll start with you on this one, Bob.

BECKEL: I think -- I don't agree with that this is their business but I do say this, I've said this before, this is where I will agree with West, that is, why they are not speaking out about this. I don't get.

BOLLING: Quick thought?

KILMEADE: My quick thought is I get worried. I think people are getting an idea, they just go out and try this and do this. I really get worried about it. My thing is, I don't expect them to. To me, it's clearly not a black or white issue.

GUILFOYLE: OK, I disagree. Where is the Justice Department on this? If it was reversed the other way around --

BECKEL: Well, the state prosecutors.

GUILFOYLE: -- you'd be seeing a lot of uproar, and you'd be seeing the Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons, et cetera, out there --

KILMEADE: You know what they say the reason, they're bored. That's why they're doing it. Why don't they get a job?

BECKEL: It doesn't answer why state prosecutors aren't prosecuting this case?

BOLLING: OK, we need to move on.

GUILFOYE: By the way, we contacted Al Sharpton and tried to get a hold of Jesse Jackson. I believe he's out of the country. Al Sharpton got back to us and said, listen, I'm going to address it. I asked him, can I call him? He said he's too busy.

But he said there was going to be a violinist who was going to denounce it tonight, whatever that means.

GUILFOYLE: What does that mean?

BOLLING: I kid you not.

PERINO: That's OK. We've got to move on.

BOLLING: We've got to move on. The last one. The Foot Locker ad. Quite the rage. It features Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, an ear and Dennis Rodman. Watch.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my goodness.

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MIKE TYSON: I'm sorry, Evander. It's your ear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello, Mr. Rodman, round trip to North Korea?

DENNIS RODMAN: One way.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One way? Whoo!

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BOLLING: So, the Foot Locker ad, what do you think, funny or flop?

K.G.?

GUILFOYLE: You know, I like it -- but I like Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson. They're actually really good friends now. They've made up over everything. And I liked Tyson's "Undisputed Truth".

PERINO: Ugh!

GUILFOYLE: What? I'm a boxing fan.

BOLLING: We'll bring it around. Bob?

BECKEL: I didn't like it at all. I watched that fight and it was disgusting. To make it sort of a play for a Christmas ad, it doesn't make any sense.

PERINO: Also, we recently learned that he was on cocaine during most of his fights. I think this is outrageous and it gives money and glorified behavior, then we talk about why isn't the black community coming out and denouncing that behavior. And then these guys get to do disgusting things, stupid things, like going to North Korea, screwing up our diplomacy, making an embarrassment of the United States around the world, and he gets money to do an ad like that. It makes me sick.

KILMEADE: Could I answer before Dana? I had something -- I feel bad saying this. I like it.

I mean, it shows that we advanced. We're past it. Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson were bitter enemies. Like he's giving an ear back --

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: But also, Mike Tyson's cleaned up his act. He talks about his sobriety. He confessed to everything.

BOLLING: Here's what I think. I think the ad was effective. It did what it was supposed to do, created attention, brought eyeballs to Foot Locker.

At the end of the day, that's all they wanted.

PERINO: Wouldn't they want to bring feet to Foot Locker?

BOLLING: Got you.

PERINO: Not ear?

BOLLING: Check this out, what's more annoying than sitting on a plane waiting to take off and someone next to you -- let's say his name is Bob -- won't stop talking on his cell phone. All you want to do is take off. But now the FCC says they may let Bob chatter away the whole darn flight.

Get ready for fights in the lighted aisles, folks, coming up next.

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PERINO: All right. Joshua, interesting choice.

OK. So, you know, I travel a bit and it drive also me nuts when people are constantly talking on their cell phone, especially when it's on speaker. We've all witnessed that annoying caller.

And this spoof sums it up.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(PHONE RINGING)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello! No, I'm on the train!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Airplanes have long been cell phone free zones, but that may change. The FCC is considering lifting its ban on phones in flight.

So, is that a good idea or the worse idea you have ever heard?

Let's start with commando Bob. What do you think?

BECKEL: I think it's absolutely the worst idea you could possibly -- I can't stand listening to them on the train. I can't -- then voices are screeching. They talk about stuff that just bothers me. It's just like -- the idea of somebody sitting next to me talking on a cell phone. The only thing I can think to do is take the cell phone and, boom, bust the thing.

PERINO: You know, it kind of drives me crazy is when you hear people on the phone on public transportation like that, like you'd hear on the train going back and forth, child together, people call up somebody and they're like, hey, what's up? Yes, it's good. Yes, I'll be home, regular time. No, nothing going on here. So there's no need to call.

BECKEL: They got earphones on so they're talking like this.

GUILFOYLE: That's what you do.

BOLLING: Exactly. Thank you, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: You used to yell "One More Thing" on my ear all the time.

BECKEL: Ooh.

BOLLING: Forget "One More Thing", we travelled. You know, sometimes, we go to Tampa. We have to go to D.C. once in a while, and all you want to do sometime is sleep, but there's one guy who just wants to talk the whole --

GUILFOYLE: Bob.

BOLLING: Bob.

BECKEL: The reason I talked from Tampa on the way back is you were not exactly in the best shape, if you remember.

BOLLING: Yes, you wouldn't stop talking.

BECKEL: Because I was try to wake you up.

BOLLING: I have a picture of you and A.T. sleeping and Bob is like still talking.

GUILFOYLE: The truth behind that whole story is Andrea was next to you originally. We changed seats. She's like, I just want to sleep.

And then you went and talked to Anderson Cooper's ear off. He was on the plane.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I was just trying to keep him awake in case --

PERINO: Can we get back on topic?

BECKEL: Yes.

PERINO: Because, Brian, if you think government was supposed to be involved in anything, maybe keep the quiet zone on an airplane, isn't that the place where the government --

KILMEADE: Dana, we've been over this, you cannot stop technology. We finally managed a way to be able to use telephones on a plane. We have to give people that opportunity, making calls --

PERINO: Are you kidding?

KILMEADE: (INAUDIBLE) is very expensive.

I'm not looking forward to. Remember, Amtrak has a quiet car. Why don't we have a quiet section of the plane? It costs more money --

BECKEL: Where the hell are you going to find a quiet --

PERINO: I have a theory, I have a theory --

KILMEADE: You put up sound proof areas, the same ones they have in audio booths.

PERINO: No, I have a theory, this is a play for the airlines to make more money. You know how? Because all a sudden you're going to have quiet flights and you're going -- they're going to be X-amount more expensive and you're going to be willing to pay that amount so you don't have to sit next to jackass guy who is making phone calls about -- like yelling at his assistant --

(CROSSTALK)

KILMEADE: Dana Perino.

BECKEL: -- edge of the bathrooms because those bathrooms are only good for two thing, the mile high club and doing cocaine --

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: -- how to use their phone --

BOLLING: I think they're -- it is a ploy to make more money but the way they're going to do it is in order to access, you have to go through the airline and they're going to charge you to do that.

PERINO: Oh, my gosh, if I'm on a flight and someone's on their phone, I will lose my --

GUILFOYLE: All that cell phone talking and still no free peanuts.

BECKEL: Charge to do that?

BOLLING: Absolutely.

PERINO: All right. We've got to go.

KILMEADE: The worst is gum chewing. Talk on the phone, I don't want to hear people chewing gum.

PERINO: How about people in the airport with their earpiece in and talking into their phone like this? Like why can't just put it next to your ear?

BECKEL: Why you're (INAUDIBLE) in the first place --

PERINO: What I should do is I should become a best-selling author by writing about cell phone etiquette. I'm going to work on that over the weekend.

GUILFOYLE: OK! It's going to be a page turner.

PERINO: Thank you. Thank you, everybody.

All right. If JFK were alive today, would he be considered a Democrat or a Republican? We've got tape of him that just might make you wonder as "The Five" continues our tribute to the late president on this day of remembrance, up next.

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KILMEADE: That is two NFL camera. That was quick. Hey, welcome back to ""The Five"" on this 50th anniversary of the 35th president of the United States, John F. Kennedy, on his assassination.

President Kennedy, as you know, was a Democrat, or was he?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOHN F. KENNEDY, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low. And the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KILMEADE: Incredible, right? I spoke to Charles this morning, who's really smart, on "FOX & Friends," and he said he thinks the president would be considered a conservative in today's America.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: JFK in his inaugural address, he pledged we will bear any burden in the defense of liberty. He was a very strong anti-communist like Truman. And that tradition of the Democrats being really tough on the Soviets, strong for national defense, that withered away after the Vietnam War. So he would have been what's called today either Republican or conservative on foreign affairs.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KILMEADE: Bob, you were just 12 but you studied the presidency. What do you think?

BECKEL: I think that it was -- the times were at the height of the Cold War. Let's remember that almost 50 percent of the country voted against Kennedy because they thought he was too liberal. So in the times, does he -- was he -- for then he was jobs Democrat, so I think he was.

KILMEADE: But he cut taxes.

GUILFOYLE: I believe the call of the question was today would he be considered Republican or Democrat?

I believe today he would be considered a conservative one based on his foreign policy being vehemently anti-communist, the first to commit U.S. troops to Vietnam. OK. He, of course, established the Green Berets. He had a very strong position when it came to foreign policy. And I think economically, you know, if there's a lot of similarity in terms of...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But also the Peace Corps, right?

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

KILMEADE: Eric, what do you think?

BOLLING: I think he would be a DINO, Democrat in name only. Because he, as we pointed out -- we talked about this week, he lowered tax rates for individual income taxes. Also, we learned something from Greg yesterday that he was pro-life. I didn't know that. I know a lot of Catholics got mad at me because they said -- I understood he was Catholic, but I didn't realize he was a pro-life Catholic. And they write to me, upset. Sorry. Apologize.

And anti-communist. These are all kind of...

BECKEL: There were very few people who weren't anti-communist then. I mean, it means no...

KILMEADE: It unified the country.

PERINO: But nobody's pro-communist now.

KILMEADE: Look at Ted Kennedy. How did he come out so liberal? He would never be caught, even in the 19- -- in the early 1960s of saying we've got to cut taxes.

PERINO: Ted Kennedy?

KILMEADE: Yes.

PERINO: Think about the -- to me it doesn't matter what party they're from. If they have good policy and are willing to work with the other side.

Ted Kennedy, in the Bush administration, becomes a champion of education reform and works with the president to get that done. So I think that good policy trumps politics.

KILMEADE: What about personal responsibility?

BECKEL: But listen, asking that question is like asking what would Kennedy -- what would Howard Taft have been like, 50 years before Kennedy? What would he have been like 50 years later? I mean, it's apples and oranges.

BOLLING: We're just speculating.

GUILFOYLE: We don't want him to get upset.

BECKEL: He would be a conservative.

KILMEADE: He would be a conservative. And just it's very different...

BECKEL: But he would not be a Republican. He would just not.

BOLLING: Who knows? Fifty years from now, Barack Obama may not seem like a socialist whatsoever.

GUILFOYLE: Gosh, I hope not. I won't be living in that country.

KILMEADE: Here's my question to the experts here. Could anyone get elected by saying, "Don't ask what you can do for your country. Don't ask what you can do" -- you know what I'm saying.

PERINO: It's not just what Kennedy said. It's how he made people feel.

KILMEADE: Right.

PERINO: You can get elected by providing people with a good feeling. If you can replicate that, yes, you can get elected.

KILMEADE: You tell someone personal responsibility, which is what you can do for your country.

BECKEL: I think that was. But also, let's remember on the tax thing, Kennedy also talked about raising revenues, which he did.

KILMEADE: OK. All right.

Meanwhile, eight minutes before the top of the hour...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

KILMEADE: Coming up next, "One More Thing."

GUILFOYLE: "One More Thing."

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing." And we want to start this program off highlighting the tornadoes and the people that have been suffering in the Midwest.

And as many of us get ready to celebrate Thanksgiving next week, let's not forget about the people in the Midwest, the massive tornado damage that they have suffered. There are a few places that you can make donations to help those in need.

In particular, the Red Cross doing a tremendous amount of work. Salvation Army and Friends for Disaster Relief. As you give thanks for the many blessings for you and your family, remember those that are in dire need during this time.

BOLLING: Very good. Very good.

OK. Tomorrow morning, "Cashing In," 11:30 a.m. DVR or pull up a chair, grab a cup of coffee. It's a good one tomorrow. Huge show. We take apart, we dismantle, Obama care, the Affordable Care Act. They call it the affordability -- the Affordable Care Act. We want to know why it's called the Affordable Care Act, when no one can afford the darn thing. So we're going to be looking into it. Conservative, libertarian and wall-to- wall capitalism. "Cashing In."

GUILFOYLE: All right. OK, Dana.

PERINO: All right. Well, I am going to be pulling up a chair with maybe a glass of wine because tomorrow night Kimberly Guilfoyle is part of "FOX Files," and she's interviewing Bethenny Frankel, huge business mogul, reality TV star. And I think we have a clip.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Hi. How are you?

(voice-over): I sat down with Bethenny in the signature red room.

(on camera): First of all, did you ever think your name would be like this in a daytime talk show along with the likes of, you know, Oprah and Ellen? I mean, it's a pretty incredible accomplishment.

BETHENNY FRANKEL, TALK SHOW HOST: It is incredible. I'm not drinking my own Kool-Aid.

GUILFOYLE: So what makes "Bethenny" different in terms of a talk show?

FRANKEL: I think what makes it different is that I'm different and I'm complicated like many women.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: All right. And you can watch that Saturday, tomorrow night. That's 10 p.m. And then on Sunday again at 9 p.m., just in case you missed it.

BOLLING: You were good in those interviews.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you. We had a good time together.

BOLLING: Was she cool?

GUILFOYLE: She sure was. It's an interesting interview, and I think you're going to like it. Fascinating.

KILMEADE: She said she was complicated. Yes.

GUILFOYLE: She's a winner.

Women are complicated.

BECKEL: OK. Back to John Kennedy.

John Kennedy, as you all probably know, challenged the United States to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade in the 1960s. This was after the Soviet Union got in front of the United States, both in launching a satellite, and then the first man in orbit was a Soviet. So let's go to the spot (ph) when Kennedy announced the space program.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KENNEDY: We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things. Not because they are easy but because they are hard.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: You know, I think that encapsulates a lot of John Kennedy. I mean, he -- he -- the hard things, the big things are tough to do. And I think he recognized that and challenged people to do more (ph).

BOLLING: I guess I would say -- I think that's his most almost compelling comment. You know, that one points to the other one, "Ask not what you can do for your country"...

GUILFOYLE: What you can do for your country. Exactly. Not...

BOLLING: That one I like.

KILMEADE: This is the highlight of my week right now. Charles Krauthammer made his way back into our studio again today. He gave us a half hour. And he's holding my book, and I'm holding his. His is No. 1 in the country. It sold over 60,000 last week. And mine is No. 6. And he was kind enough to read it. And you can get, "George Washington, Secret Six," or Charles Krauthammer whenever you can. Pick up both. And, of course, Bill O'Reilly is one or two every single week.

BOLLING: Yours is so popular, it's sold out, and people need to order it now so they can get it for Christmas.

GUILFOYLE: Yes!

BECKEL: Everybody ought to buy it. It's a great read.

GUILFOYLE: Fantastic.

BECKEL: It's a great read.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, don't forget to set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of ""The Five".

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