This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," November 21, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: We have to ask, where is the transparency?
FOX News Chief White House correspondent, Ed Henry, grilling Deputy White House Press Secretary, Josh Ernest.
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ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Did you consider turning over some of the emails White House officials HealthCare.gov instead of drip, drip from Republican Darrell Issa? Do you give American people an insight to what the president and his aides knew in the final week leading up to October 1st. Would you consider that?
JOSH ERNEST, DEPUTY WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: It's apparent Mr. Issa has taken that task upon himself --
HENRY: -- full context.
ERNEST: -- and has worked -- and has worked very carefully with the journalists to ensure the Americans have access to those documents. Sometimes he has done that in a way that has left people with a pretty misleading impression what's happening here. That's unfortunate. But, look, Ed, what's that's indicative of is it's indicative of our willingness to cooperate with legitimate oversight.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Former Congressman Allen West joins us.
Nice to see you, sir.
ALLEN WEST, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR/FORMER CONGRESSMAN: Always a pleasure, Greta.
VAN SUSTEREN: Transparency, I don't know how much we are getting because we have got to get these emails drip, drip, drip. Now we get them from one House committee and others yesterday. The White House is not too willing to give them to us.
WEST: It's amazing. This was supposed to be the most transparent administration in the history of this country. I think the thing is if we really knew what was going on, you know, coming from the White House, coming from this administration, and the implementation of this ObamaCare and this HealthCare.gov, we would be absolutely appalled of and slowly the drip, drip that's occurring is eroding, again, the confidence and the belief that there is confidence coming out of this administration.
VAN SUSTEREN: I thought what is was more painful about the documents that was released yesterday, in fact, in part of the emails worried about the impact it would have on the media, media would rev up at them knew that the testing was failing. There wasn't one part that said oh no, what about the American people? What about their health? There was no indication they were worried about covering their own -- not one email that I saw did it show any indication they cared that their product was going to hurt people.
WEST: Well, that comes back to the truth. And if you're telling the American people exactly what your goals and your objectives are, which the left is not going to do then you want to keep the American people kind of in the dark. Think about this whole thing about perception. FOX is reporting all these commentators invited over to the White House today - all about messaging.
VAN SUSTEREN: Juan Williams from FOX was over there. We had one there, too, as well. There is sort of the interesting thing of this whole transparency thing. The president is Teflon on this. He said he had no idea that these problems were existing with the system that he never would have launched. I mean, what's with that?
WEST: Well, again, you know, you continue to hear the president when he talks about IRS I did not know. I found out when everyone else found out. Benghazi, Fast and Furious, what have you. That's not an excuse anymore. If you're the leader, if you are the chief executive officer of the United States of America, you are supposed to be having these cabinet meetings, these staff meetings. You are supposed to get updates. You are supposed to know the questions you should be asking of your cabinet members and your staff tone sure that you are informed. Because, if not, how can you expect the American people to believe in you and you see the trust that the people have in President Obama. It's just declining right now.
VAN SUSTEREN: It's sort of curious. You mentioned Benghazi. It happened on 9/11. And I think on the 25th of September, two weeks later he was at the U.N. still talking about that video. Was he disconnected or was he trying to be slippery? Then you have this situation where on the 14th of November he says he had no idea there was no problem. Is he uninformed? Was he not curious? Did he ask someone in the White House? Hey how is going? If so, if he did ask that, did he lie to them?
WEST: Two things. Either we have a president that is so detached or a president that no one trusts to tell him what is going on. The emperor has no clothes. Kind of like the Timken Village of Catherine the Great where everyone is telling hey, it's fine -- I think there is something intentional. The president does know what is happening. He continues to go out and blame others. He continues to go out and talk about excuses because he believes he has some type of Teflon approach. I think when you are enlisting other members of media sources to come in and give them some talking points, that is his sense of -- you know, that's my get out of jail free card.
VAN SUSTEREN: As I recall during the Bush administration, to be fair on that point or at least from my perspective is that President Bush oftentimes had the conservative radio talk show host come in. I remember a couple videos. I think that's sort of a White House thing that you try to manipulate the press.
WEST: He got beat up from both sides, no matter what.
VAN SUSTEREN: The thing that's curious here is that he just says things that simply aren't. So the question, is he uninformed or is he not telling us the truth? That's the problem.
But let me ask you about one other thing. That's about this "knockout game," which is really a crime.
WEST: It's horrific.
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VAN SUSTEREN: It's not a game. It's a crime. It's even murder.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When we passed each other, he punched me in the face.
UNIDENTIFIED NEWS CORRESPONDENT: It's called the knockout game, unprovoked attacks on strangers for the fun of it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why would we do that to somebody?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's terrible for something like that to come to our neighborhood.
UNIDENTIFIED NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Deaths have been reported in New York and New Jersey.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you want that to happen to your little brother or your little sister or your mom?
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VAN SUSTEREN: ON THE RECORD has been reporting on these violent attacks all week but few community leaders and few in the media are willing to talk about it. As we talk about this spreading crime, take a look of a few of the attacks caught on camera so you know what to look out for.
Congressman West, this horrible game, you know, first of all, it's a group of people -- a gang might not be the right word. And after it's done, everybody laughs at doing it as the victim is lying there suffering. In some instances, even murder. But the question of race. Frankly, so far, it's been African-Americans, as far as I can see, on whites. I don't know if it's completely that way but that's what we have seen.
WEST: That's true. That's exactly what you are seeing. This talks of the state of depravity that is in the black community right now. Again, where are these black leaders that should be talking about this breakdown? Where are the parents? Where are the guardians of the black community to say this is unacceptable behavior?
Now, this is what is going to end up happening. At some point in time, one of the people that's going to be attacked is going to have a concealed weapons license. They are going to draw down and, unfortunately, someone is going to get shot. Then what is going to happen? You will hear all of the rhetoric coming out from the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons that this unarmed black teenager was shot and killed and assaulted, when right now they should be out there stopping this so we don't get to this point.
VAN SUSTEREN: They have been silent. And the president, attorney general also role models in the African-American community, but one --
WEST: This doesn't fit their political narrative.
VAN SUSTEREN: Obviously, the ones who do it, they're criminals, arrest them, process them or whatever. Those who laugh may be aiders and abettors, has encouraging them, deal with them, too.
The thing that concerns me, a lot of these communities have 12 and 13- year-olds who look up to older people in the community. There is always the peer pressure. If we don't stop this now -- sort of immaturity of a 13-year-old -- is a 13-year-old going to follow suit and do something really stupid, have the person die or end up in prison, and no one is speaking out to try to stop this now.
WEST: Well, you have already seen this happen. Think about down in Brunswick, Georgia, where the two black teenagers shot the white baby in the face. And so now that's, again, a life that has been lost because no one intervened and no one tried to get in those communities. You have got a breakdown. It's not just the family. It's the education opportunities, job opportunities. We should not have these roving gangs out there saying, we are going to knock someone out just for fun. They should be studying.
VAN SUSTEREN: One attacker, I should tell you, in Michigan, was shot. So we are seeing a little bit of that already.
What should President Obama do, if anything? I mean, is there anything? Would making a statement or putting this out as public dialogue, would that help?
WEST: It would help. You can't just cherry-pick when you go in to intervene. You can't look at the Skip Gates issue and say the police officers up there --
VAN SUSTEREN: Harvard.
WEST: Absolutely. Acted stupidly. You can't jump in and say Trayvon Martin, or it could have been me or it could have been my son. Then you have these instances where you just complete (INAUDIBLE). I think this is an opportunity for him to show some leadership. But once again, it doesn't fit that political narrative.
VAN SUSTEREN: How about Jesse Jackson and Reverend Sharpton? They can certainly draw attention. They can draw attention toward important issues. Why are they silent?
WEST: There's no profit in it for them. There's no political gain or political advantage for them. So why --
VAN SUSTEREN: How about helping these neighborhoods? This is terrorizing some of the inner-city neighborhoods.
WEST: They don't care. They live off victimization. Therefore, as long as you have black communities that see themselves as victims, that helps to perpetuate their existence. Now, all of the sudden, if you jump in -- why aren't they saying anything in Chicago about the black-on-black crime? They don't have a point in that. It doesn't elevate them whatsoever. That's why these guys should be totally irrelevant and should not be listened to whatsoever.
VAN SUSTEREN: We got to get this dialogue going. We can't do it just from ON THE RECORD here, 7:00 at night, because that's not going to start the dialogue, but we are trying.
Anyway, Congressman, nice to see you.
WEST: Let's you and I go into a black community and --
VAN SUSTEREN: I will go. For 12 years, I represented poor people. I have more experience on the street being a sort of community activists in the inner cities than a lot of other people.
WEST: Let's have a road show.
VAN SUSTEREN: Indeed, we will.
Nice to see you.