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Is the president of the United States a liar?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," November 5, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

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TANTAROS: Well, President Obama's honesty and credibility may now be in question. As we reported, he wasn't shooting straight with the American people when he promised that everyone could keep their doctor and health care plan, period. But now, he is trying to spin his way out of that promise. Here's what he said last night.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If you have or had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law, and you really liked that plan, what we said was you could keep it -- if it hasn't changed since the law's passed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: So, does he really expect us to accept this change in language after being told this multiple times for multiple years?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

OBAMA: Under the reform we seek, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan, period.

If you've got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan.

If Americans like their doctor, they will keep their doctor. If you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you.

If you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.

If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period.

If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

TANTAROS: Well, we've got a simple and perhaps provocative question tonight. Is the president of the United States a liar?

Eric, the president's excuse on this one is not really passing the smell test. He is saying you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law's passed.

It's almost like saying, Andrea, you can keep your hair color if you like it but on January 1st, you're mandated to go blonde. So --

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: You would look cute.

TANTAROS: I would look terrible with the blonde I think.

BOB BECKEL: Yes, you would. You would.

TANTAROS: Thanks, Bob.

BOLLING: You know, liar is a big word. It's a very big word. There are a lot of times --

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Only four letters.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: Or as Joe Biden would say, a three-letter word, liar, L-I-A-R.

But how does he say one thing and stop with "you can keep it if you want it, you can keep it period," and not do the qualifier that he said last night. And then go back last night and say, look, this is what we said. He wasn't a liar back then, I don't think. He may have been told that.

Maybe he honestly was told by his people, his handlers, that you're not going to be thrown off if you wanted, maybe not.

PERINO: Disagree.

BOLLING: But allow me this. Maybe he was. At least give him the benefit of the doubt. Up until he realized what's going on, he may not have lied. But last night, all bets are off, he lied. He looked to this group and said, I said you can keep it if things don't change and if.

So, last night, unequivocally, the president is a liar last night.

GUTFELD: I disagree. He's not lying, Eric. He's footnoting, which is, you know, he's footnoting his comment, you know?

It's like -- he does this at home with Michelle. He says, Michelle, I quit smoking. Cigarettes.

I do it all the time.

Obama loves to campaign, but he's not big on leading. What happens when you campaign a lot is, your words are kind of weightless. In a way, he's like a talk show host who can keep talking and talking and talking and realize that there is never any action committed to what we are doing as the talk show host.

However, he is president. He is not a talk show host. Therefore, his words have consequence. They have action.

He doesn't realize that. He thinks in a way what he is doing right now is kind of beneath him. There is another job that's bigger than president of the United States and it's a job that allows him to lie because it's for the greater good. The greater good means expanding coercive power. That's bigger than being president.

TANTAROS: But do you think, Dana, he thinks he can get away with it? I mean, think about all the things he said before. The media hasn't held him accountable.

I happen to believe the president is supposed to be the smartest guy in the room. So, he can't just believe what his aides tell him if that's what they told him. He should know better.

I think people are looking at what he said and what he promised and it's affecting them personally. And he's -- they're thinking he lied to them.

PERINO: I think we need somebody to pull all the reporting together, which we can do here on "The Five" because we read it over the weekend.

If you look at "The Wall Street Journal" front page on Saturday and "The Washington Post" on Sunday, these are reports about how they decided over and over again to allow the political judgment to trump the policy judgment.

And when they were trying to say we think we have a problem here with the Web site, or when they were doing rule makings, they said, they specifically said, we don't want the Republicans to have ammunition. So, let's not announce that yet for another couple of months. They made political decisions that ended up terribly embarrassing the president of the United States.

But what he said last night were his own words. His credibility is on the line. He didn't say you can keep your insurance if you want it, if you like it -- parenthesis. He didn't say footnote. He didn't say (INAUDIBLE), he didn't say any of those things.

Here is an interesting thing. You know who told us all of this was going to happen in 2008?

GUTFELD: Me.

PERINO: Hillary Clinton.

GUTFELD: Oh.

PERINO: She warned us. She said this is going to be a catastrophic presidency. And that's -- this is what it is. That is what ended up happening. At this moment, I think that they have a serious problem.

The RNC and Senator John Thune at the Republican Conference has been collecting numbers but stories of people as the waves of cancellations start coming through. When you start putting actual people to the numbers, that's when you have even more problems.

And they look like Keystone Kops over at the White House.

TANTAROS: It's ironic Hillary Clinton warned us because Hillarycare looked like ObamaCare when she tried to pass on her own. Now, she gets to distance herself from it.

But, Bob, you know, Linus, he was always waiting for the great pumpkin to come. And, of course, how would you describe Linus? Not a liar, maybe delusional.

BECKEL: Who is Linus?

TANTAROS: From the Peanuts cartoon.

BECKEL: Oh, sorry.

TANTAROS: You have kids, you should know that.

So, is the president a liar? Did he deliberately lie? Or is he Linus? Is he delusional?

BECKEL: First of all, let me just say that Dana is a slacker. I myself was up at 5:00 Saturday morning reading all day long, then Sunday I get up at 4:30.

So, if you are going to really get into this stuff, you got to read more than what you're reading.

GUTFELD: You didn't get up, you were staying up.

BECKEL: But, you know, with all due respect to this statement, this is like Groundhog Day all over again. We could a segment yesterday and run the same damn --

PERINO: He said it last night, Bob.

BOLLING: He said it last night.

PERINO: After the show.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: It's the basis of the segment, is that last night, President Obama walked back everything he said 24, 29 times and lied about saying "I told you that, I said that before" and he never said it. He never added that qualifier.

BECKEL: We could not use the same clip for him --

PERINO: We couldn't have because he gave the speech after our show.

BECKEL: No, no, I understand that. He probably listened carefully and changed his position. But the same thing, you can keep your health care. We've been running this son of a bitch --

PERINO: No, Bob.

BOLLING: But the point is last night he said, I said you can keep your health care with the caveat after, if the insurance companies don't change it, yada, yada, yada, which he didn't say the prior 24 times he said you can keep your health care.

TANTAROS: And the reason they're losing their plan is because these essential benefits, the 10 essential benefits were passed by Kathleen Sebelius, executive order issued out of HHS after the bill was passed. So, he is trying to say, well, I didn't mean it, I meant until the bill took effect. I don't think anyone's buying it.

BECKEL: The truth is that if you had a plan before the bill was passed and they didn't change it, could you or could you not keep it?

TANTAROS: No, but --

BECKEL: Good.

BOLLING: Here's the truth -- President Obama should have just manned up and said, look, things changed. The environment changed. We realize some things had to change in the law, in the bill that became law, and guess what? We missed this one.

But instead of doing that, he said, no, no. Remember I said that? When he never, ever said.

PERINO: And also, because he thinks that because he is so much smarter than all of us, right? That we are supposed to understand what he meant. So, of course -- no, you're not smart enough to understand that obviously I had caveated in parenthesis, and in air quotes for 27 times I said that.

But it's not just President Obama who used that line. It was everybody that was helping him to win reelection.

TANTAROS: But, Dana, isn't -- Greg, haven't other Democrats said that before? We just don't understand ObamaCare, it's our fault, we just don't get?

GUTFELD: I mean, can't you blame him, though? I mean, all of this is borne of a singular belief that at least half the American people aren't paying any attention or are dumb. He's going -- hey, they must have voted for me. I'm inexperienced. I'm a community organizer. How can I -- I can get away with this because America are a bunch of distracted morons stuck to their iPads and their iPhones and nobody cares.

Plus, he's got the media behind him who are always rooting him on. And he gets, they're not -- by the way, he's not mad about the ObamaCare fiasco. He's mad that we are mad. He's mad people aren't giving him the benefit of the doubt. And because of -- for the greater good is the free pass again to expand power and we're not letting him do it.

TANTAROS: Hold on, Bob. This time around, Andy Card says his credibility is really on the line. Hang on. He says, it's not just the United States, it's around the world. It's because of the NSA. It's because of all the statements he made.

Here's Andy Card, former White House chief of staff.

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ANDY CARD, FORMER WHITE HOUSE OF CHIEF OF STAFF: I fault not only the president, I fault the people around the president for allowing him to mislead the American people for so long. His categorical statements were made not as a candidate but as a president of the United States, and words do matter at the White House. President Obama has lost the confidence of telling the truth to the American people. He's done the same thing around the world.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: All right. Bob?

BECKEL: Well, first of all, does anybody believe for a second that the insurance companies did not change those policies?

PERINO: OK, does any believe --

BECKEL: That they didn't change those policies so they can push you into a bigger, more expensive policy?

PERINO: No, I don't. I believe that the regulations and changes that were required in ObamaCare, which was the reason for even doing ObamaCare was so that you would -- that they would cover all these other pre-existing conditions.

BECKEL: But they were not required to grandfather --

TANTAROS: Bob, you can't change the subject.

PERINO: Actually, you ran a business.

BECKEL: Yes.

PERINO: I think it's very insulting to business owners for us to question their business acumen to be able to deal with and manage the government regulations that they have to deal with. I mean, President Obama, he never had to figure out how to pay for employees' insurance, never had to pay for his own. I mean, as a community organizer and then working at the law firm or if he was on Michelle Obama's insurance, he never had to do any of this on his own.

BECKEL: I'll grant you that.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: So, I think that when he says -- then you go to blame the insurance companies. I don't get it.

BOLLING: You're saying it's not his fault because he didn't have business experience, yet he is going to reshape the way we do business --

BECKEL: No, no, I said having business experience would be helpful.

BOLLING: So, here is the segment. The segment was, is President Obama lying, did he lie, is he a liar, is he lying, did he lie last night?

You would have to conclude yes if you have a brain and you can see what he said.

Here's the problem: there is another lie that he has -- that he has to make another lie. With the numbers coming in, they're trickling in that the people enrolling in ObamaCare are substantially older than they thought they were going to be.

GUTFELD: Right.

BOLLING: It's going to cost a lot more money and a lot more people are signing up for Medicaid. So, the numbers -- I'm all about the numbers. The numbers, we said this. I said it here.

It's $1.8 trillion now. Get ready for $3 trillion or $4 trillion because this thing is going --

TANTAROS: And also to get people --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: And he'll have to lie.

TANTAROS: Can I get you to react to one other thing, too, Bob?

BECKEL: Sure.

TANTAROS: It's not just the president now that's lying. It's all Democrats that voted for this thing or having to defend this. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was out there pushing for ObamaCare. Same with Mary Landrieu. Listen to them now lie.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ (D), FLORIDA: There was nothing about what President Obama or did I or any other Democrat supporting the Affordable Care Act said that was not true.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: She said the same thing the president did.

BECKEL: Let me just say, as Eric pointed, for the brainless people out there, I want to represent you as a caucus, I don't believe he lied.

TANTAROS: Can I get a quick response from all you guys?

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: It's red rover, red rover.

TANTAROS: What are the ramifications, Dana -- if the public believes he lied, what are the ramifications?

PERINO: Remember that game? Red rover, red rover, you had to hold really tight so no matter what came through, you have to make sure that they don't breakthrough. That's what the Democrats are doing right now. And I don't think they are going to be able to succeed.

BECKEL: Red rover?

TANTAROS: A Republican Senate in 2014?

BOLLING: Yes, I would hope so. I would -- you know, you look back four years ago, Joe Wilson yelled to President Obama during State of the Union, he said "You lied". He was talking about ObamaCare. Now, it was about immigration, but he also talking about ObamaCare at the time.

And guess what? He got crucified for that. But Joe Wilson was right.

TANTAROS: Greg, his poll numbers, according to Gallup today, had dipped to 39 percent. So, it looks like he does have a credibility issue.

GUTFELD: Yes. Well, you know, it's because no one wants what he's selling. That's why they're older. I mean, it's like selling ObamaCare to young people is like selling life insurance to zombies or Nutrisystem's Kate Smith -- Kate Moss. Kate Smith is dead.

It has to be enforced because nobody wants it. This is the nature of progressive government. They don't care if it's not good for you.

TANTAROS: Yes.

GUTFELD: It's good for them. It's good for them. It wasn't about -- if I like your health care, you can keep it. It's -- if I like your health care, you can keep it. That's the difference.

BECKEL: That woman in Florida they highlighted on NBC, and she said her previous is up 10 times. Today, she said what a blessing this is, I get a much better health care.

GUTFELD: And that other woman that had cancer.

TANTAROS: And other made-up guy they found --

GUTFELD: Democrats have made an art of using antidotes, and now, finally - -

TANTAROS: There are no anecdotes.

BECKEL: That's coming from you?

GUTFELD: The Republicans are finally doing it. So what?

TANTAROS: Well, I think Eric brings up a great point. All these young people are not going to sign up. So, they're going to continue to throw millions of dollars.

The next -- I know it's banned -- but shoe to fall is all the advertising dollars they're going to have to spend to get people to sign up. They raided Medicaid to do it -- or Medicare to do it. Look out, buddy.

PERINO: It's like a centipede, because there's yet another shoe to drop, which is what Eric brought up a couple of weeks ago, that is they're going to have to increase the penalty, $95 is not going to be a big enough penalty. It's not a big enough disincentive for people.

GUTFELD: It's a human centipede. That's what it is.

TANTAROS: I hope these shoes are nice shoes because I like shoes. I just don't like shoes dropping.

GUTFELD: You should check out human centipede. It's a Disney film.

TANTAROS: Next, today is Election Day, and we're going to bring you up to speed on some of the hottest races around the country. Chris Christie made a bold prediction about his re-election bid and had some very interesting comments about the Tea Party. Dana has got both of those when "The Five" returns.

But before we go, make sure to check out our Facebook page at Facebook.com/TheFiveFNC.

Stay right there.

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PERINO: It's Tuesday, November 5th, Election Day. We are keeping close watch on a bunch of big races in New York City, Boston, Detroit and elsewhere.

And then, there are the governor's races. In Virginia, former DNC chair Terry McAuliffe is battling Republican State Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli.

And in New Jersey, Chris Christie is predicting a reelection blowout against Democratic State Senator Barbara Buono with help from voters from her party.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: There's 750,000 more Democrats than Republicans registered in New Jersey. Tomorrow night, I bet you a whole bunch of those Democrats are coming to our side. I had all kinds of folks whispering in my ear today.

(LAUGHTER)

CHRISTIE: I'm a Democratic but I'm voting for you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: One voting bloc that he is not depending on is the Tea Party.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHRISTIE: I think what you're going to find is that with tomorrow night's results, that you don't have to worry about that. We appeal to everybody. And we'll get huge Republican support 94 percent, 95 percent tomorrow night. So, it hasn't affected us here at all and I don't think it will affect me or this kind of politics anywhere in the country because people want things to get done. And that's the message here, is they want government to work for them.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: OK. Let's start with our New Jersey resident Eric Bolling.

Are you ready for this governor's race to be over? And do you think that it is the preview to 2016?

BOLLING: I think so. I watched an interview with him about 40 minutes ago. He had a different take on the Tea Party at the time. He must have changed his tune a little bit.

But he also said he wanted to win -- he wanted a 50 percent number, 51 percent would be a record. He was looking for that. And he also said he is doing in New Jersey what if they did that in Washington, he'd be a hero, but they gave him a hard time.

He is right, though. The far right does have a problem with him, going back to -- you know, what went on with President Obama, the big bear hug during Hurricane Sandy.

But, that said, he's a very, very popular Republican in a blue state.

PERINO: Does that make him, Greg, the frontrunner -- the Republican front- runner at this moment?

GUTFELD: I've been looking at the numbers and the polling numbers and --

PERINO: Yes, that's why I went to you.

GUTFELD: I'm lying. I don't look at anything.

People like positive people. And that's -- I think that Christy is a likable guy and he speaks like most Americans. He is funny and interesting.

I consider myself far right. I consider myself libertarian. A lot of people disagree.

I like Christie because I believe that he wants to win first and then the wants to fight. And I think that's more important than fighting before you win, which is what you're seeing right now in the Republican Party?

What is the plan for the Republican Party? Last year's primary looked like a cross between the bachelor and off-track betting. It was like -- and the rose was a gig on TV. It seemed to me that half the people that were running for president under the Republicans were running for a job on television.

And I think that's the problem. And I think we should have candidates, the Republicans should have candidates that are actually running for office. And I think Christie runs for office.

BOLLING: Can I qualify that? I guess if he ran against a real libertarian he would have a hard time. There are a lot of things that wouldn't be considered libertarian in his platform. Guns for one.

BECKEL: He will win this race 60-40, maybe 61-39. In Virginia, it's for the first time up ballot and down ballot. It's quite possible that the Tea Party by having a convention and nominating all these right wing people lose every statewide race. And for the first time since 1950, Democrats will hold everything from governor to two senators.

So, that's the price you pay for the Tea Party. And that's what you got. I mean, it's -- in New York City, who cares?

PERINO: Well, I care. I live here. It's also important.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: I take Christie any day over what we've got tomorrow.

TANTAROS: You know, I have defended Christie. I think he's done a lot of good for New Jersey. He stood up to a Democratic legislature. I've criticized Republicans for going after him because I don't believe you can be too hard on Republican governors in blue states. You chew them up, we're not going to have any left.

Here's my issue, though -- I don't like when he goes after other Republicans. It made me uncomfortable when he went after Rand Paul. I don't like how he went after the Tea Party.

In fact, I racked my brain and I thought, have I ever heard of a candidate just discount a group of people in their own party like the Tea Party? No. I don't think that's politically wise. I know he may couch his statement. But the arrogance is never a good thing, discounting a group of your own party is never a good thing.

And, look, he needs crossover support to turn in a blue state. But I would say this: these Democrats that are making out with him and in love with him now on other news networks, they will not pull the lever for him in 2016. Be very, very careful. They will turn in two seconds and vote for Hillary Clinton.

BECKEL: Let's remember, he has to go through the Iowa caucuses which are very, very conservative. No Democrats are allowed in. He goes to New Hampshire, very, very conservative. Then, to South Carolina, they are so conservative they are off the map.

PERINO: Yay, I love them, South Carolina.

BECKEL: So, he's got a rough road.

PERINO: He does. But I think that we should allow him to have an election night win before we start talking about 2016.

I want to get Greg's take on something. In Colorado, the voters are weighing tonight -- there is a ballot initiative to approve a 25 percent tax on marijuana. One of the things you talked about and I learned from you about legalization of marijuana is it shouldn't be considered a revenue-raiser. Like you shouldn't legalize it in order to try to raise money.

But a 25 percent tax is what they're looking for in Colorado.

GUTFELD: Yes. By the way, I need my bong back.

PERINO: I'll get that down to you.

GUTFELD: Yes. No, I hate the argument for criminalization or legalization based on taxes. I think you have a sound argument to legalize drugs because a human being has a right to oblivion. He has a right to get out of his mind if he wants to, without hurting anybody else. It's still against the law if you do something stupid. And I think it's about time that we grow up when it comes to this stuff, but saying that, hey, we should legalize it because the government gets more money, that's idiotic.

BECKEL: You don't believe that about heroin, do you?

GUTFELD: I believe heroin could be legalized if done in a delivery system, which makes it more like a cigarette.

TANTAROS: Same thing with gambling, too. When you see people's personal lives falling apart, it shouldn't be away to pay for your bloated budgets in your state. Oh, yes, let's tax gambling. Let's tax this destructive behavior.

I agree with you. If you want to do it, do it. But don't look at it to fix big spending.

GUTFELD: Yes, I hate sin taxes.

BECKEL: I funded about 12 states --

PERINO: Eric, let me get your take on what do you think you can learn tonight from a ballot initiative in Washington state about genetically modified food and labeling.

BOLLING: That's different --

PERINO: And the taxes. There's also a sales tax initiative, education funding initiative in Colorado, which would have tiered the tax sales actually for your income. What can you learn --

BOLLING: They were looking to raise $1 billion.

PERINO: A billion dollars and it would take money from some school districts to send to other school districts. It looks like it will not pass, but I guess we'll have to see.

What could you tell about 2014 elections, if anything, after the results tonight?

BOLLING: I would hope taxes become an issue. I would hope 2014, maybe not '16, but 2014, people realize that everything, everything is going to be taxed. All these municipalities, states are going to try to raise revenue taxing different things. If it moves, we'll tax it. We'll tax it more. Gasoline tax, taxes on miles driven.

All these initiatives, they've got to be shot down to send a message that we want smaller government.

BECKEL: Two words: user fees. That can be taxes.

PERINO: How about, remember what John Roberts says? It's a penalty.

BOLLING: Our John Roberts?

PERINO: Yes. My John Roberts.

All right. Directly ahead, some stunning comments from the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner. Who was that? President Obama. He talks about war.

We're going to tell you what he reportedly said, next.

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GUTFELD: According to a new book, my favorite kind of book, President Obama once said he's really good at killing people and he wasn't referring to ObamaCare. Actually, the Nobel Peace prize winner was talking drones and he's dead right. He's killed tons of terrorists and others. The price you pay for ridding freaks who see your death as an easy path to heaven.

The entire quote from "Double Down": "Turns out I'm really good at killing people," Obama said quietly. "Didn't know that was going to be a strong suit of mine."

Now, the media pretends that's shocking. It's so manufactured. He's not bragging, he's lamenting an odd term of events where a once peaceful young man full of life, pot in poetry, is stopping pulses in Pakistan. He's Dirty Harry with a soul, diehard with heart.

I'm surprise he didn't say all this right before catching a falling orphan from a window.

Obama, he kills bad guys, but he doesn't have to like it. That will be on his movie poster. Only Obama's American detached destruction be seen as cool. That's liberalism. You're never Darth, always Luke, even when you're reigning death.

This would have been McCain directing the killer robots, including a U.S. citizen. Could you imagine the outcry? We have to do CPR on CNN.

It's an example of EOUA, everything's OK under Obama.

But, hey, I'm for drones, too, and I always have been. But you wonder what Obama must do to rile the left. For them, drones are just the price you pay for transforming America, although that transformation might be way worse.

Hmm. Yes, we are about excited about that as I was writing it.

PERINO: No, it was thought provoking.

GUTFELD: No, it wasn't. Don't lie to me. They can't all be winners.

PERINO: I thought it was interesting. Can I defend President Obama?

GUTFELD: Absolutely.

PERINO: On the quote in "Double Down" when he says, "I didn't know that would be a strong suit of mine." I think he has a behind the scenes good sense of humor and he was joking.

GUTFELD: Really?

PERINO: Yes, I do.

TANTAROS: But that's not really funny.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: We're getting droned.

GUTFELD: The punchline ends with him dead.

BECKEL: All these years you've been saying Democrats are wussies and they won't do anything on national security, now, we are doing something and we are bad people.

GUTFELD: No. I said I agree.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Sorry. Your words are too long.

GUTFELD: Where is the left, though, on this?

BOLLING: Quiet.

GUTFELD: They're quiet.

PERINO: Red rover, red rover.

GUTFELD: What crazy lady said.

BECKEL: They're not -- I mean, the left does not going to make a deal out of this. Look, they took a long time to get up in the national security issue for the '70s and '80s. Now, finally got back in the game and are not about to give it up.

GUTFELD: Is that the point, Andrea? It's like if you are on the left, you have to kill more people?

PERINO: Yes.

TANTAROS: Well, it's easier, too. Where is he going to bring them? I mean, he said, I know -- this is our next topic, but he said he is going to close Gitmo. Now, he's making an effort to close Gitmo.

If he wants to do it, he should do it and should have done it the first two years he was in office. Now, he is in a bit of a pickle. Where is he going to put these terrorists? So, just easier to kill them, so you don't have to bring them back here and then you don't have to deal with the political fallout.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: A bit of a pickle?

TANTAROS: A pickle. I know. It doesn't sound like something I'd say.

PERINO: A baseball term.

GUTFELD: It might be my conspiracy in this is that the left in the media are OK with drones because it allows President Obama to get on with his revolutionary agenda here. We don't have to worry about terrorists we can deal with the other stuff.

BOLLING: I think your -- the most valid part of that is even if they are not OK with it, it's OK because it's President Obama doing it. It's interesting that if it were a Republican and they had a kill list and were droning people, it would be the worst thing they ever heard of.

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BECKEL: Bush about doing drones, he had a remarkable good record of that.

BOLLING: It's not even that. President Obama came in and said I'm against all those things that are going on under President Bush. I'm against Gitmo. He said he was going to revamp the intel system.

And what happens within a couple of weeks of him taking office? He said no.

PERINO: It was the first day. It was inauguration day because there was credible threat. As every president says soon as you sit at the desk, it's a very different world.

BOLLING: Can I just point something out? It was the first. Peter baker. We talked about him a bit.

They want me to go. Look it up on "New York Times" magazine, Peter Baker wrote a long piece how President Obama's intel, this whole way of thinking about drones and things like that changed minute one, right before inauguration.

GUTFELD: Once you get in power.

All right. Ahead, someone get this man ObamaCare because Jay Carney is losing it.

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REPORTER: We are all stuck in the same cue because they have to go through the same portal.

JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Jon, I get it.

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GUTFELD: That's so cute.

Dr. Bolling has the prognosis, next.

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BOLLING: You've got to feel for my old pal Jay Carney. He's got a tough job. He's got to face the public, the media and try to explain how President Obama didn't really mean you could keep your doctor and insurance, period. That what the president actually meant was you can keep them if a bunch of things didn't happen, if the plan didn't change, if the doctors didn't run and hide, and if the Red Sox never win another World Series.

Unfortunately, the president lied and Jay's frustrated and taking it out on the media.

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REPORTER: But these memos say at the end of the day we are all stuck in the same cue because they all have to go through the same portal.

CARNEY: Jon, I get it, but the person who calls isn't the one who continues to wait after the paper application is filled.

REPORTER: Your mocking is entertaining, but the president said you can apply in 25 minutes. That was not true.

CARNEY: I think everybody else is looking quizzically because there's a reason to be quizzical here.

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BOLLING: Well, it wasn't just ABC. He's taking shots at CBS and FOX and just about anyone who's dared to ask the question what Obama the heck was thinking.

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CARNEY: John, I'm having a conversation here. I'm sure I'll call I'm sure that you'll represent what the speaker is saying in a minute.

Mara, the way you phrase that question, you know, makes me think you're still working on a typewriter or something. It's available online. The proposal is there. It's not that I say they are on the table, they are on the table.

I would simply say when it comes to, and I know they are creating an exchange here for FOX. I'm mindful of that.

Again, I invite you to read the federal register. That would be a lot to ask.

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BOLLING: Jay, brother, don't take it out on the media, they're just doing their job, finally. Come on, man. You're bigger than that.

Even you, Bob, have to admit, boy, he's feeling frustrated. He's feeling fatigued.

BECKEL: This is what you call a press secretary slightly out of control because he's got a president that isn't giving him the straight answers and he's got to deal with it every day. Dana knows better than most people would.

But I'll tell you -- it's very tough when you're trying to defend a president and you know what you're trying to defend is not accurate.

BOLLING: I want to hang on to Dana's commentary for just a minute. We'll bring it around.

Ands, thoughts?

TANTAROS: I just think he looks like a real jerk. I mean, he stuttered and stammered before when he's trying to explain things. But snark and the arrogant comment about the typewriter to Mara Liasson? That's just rude.

And he's not doing himself a favor. He's not representing President Obama very well. I think humility would do Jay Carney very, very well. I don't think the jokes are suiting him at all.

But he's not used to this. Remember, this is new for him. He doesn't really know how to deal with his own kind.

Remember, he used to work at "Time" magazine. He should understand and feel their pain. He hasn't had to deal with this rapid fire. And the media has woken up finally and now you see how he reacts.

BECKEL: How long has he had this job?

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BOLLING: He reacts. This finger, remember, Jon Karl --

GUTFELD: He's like a crazed proctologist.

He's not out of his depth. The depth is out of him. He's like Obama's dog. When you feed a dog chocolate, he poops everywhere. He's not getting the right information. That's what you're seeing right there.

And also, back to the "Time" magazine thing. It reveals -- that kind of contempt reveals the immutable bias in the media because if that's how he feels, how could that not be separate from his editorial duties when he was back running that magazine, or as Washington bureau chief.

BOLLING: So, Dana, we saved you for last. What's going through his mind?

PERINO: Remember the book by Shel Silverstein, "Where the Sidewalk Ends", and there was a poem "The No Good, Very Bad Terrible Day." As press secretary, you can feel that you have those often. You can have 99 good answers and one day that everyone remembers.

I do think that the best medicine in that briefing room is when you're on your heels is not necessarily aggression.

GUTFELD: Valium?

PERINO: But they want -- everybody on the left, remember, they want you to be more aggressive. When aggression crosses the line into being a jerk, then people get upset.

My suggestion for them, however, he's getting asked all these tiny questions about the detail of how the Web site works -- he should say, guys, I don't do that here. Call HHS. I'm not doing that here. And he needs to push it out of the briefing room so they can focus on President Obama's bigger issues.

BECKEL: Hey, Greg, your assault on the left in the media, why don't the conservatives go to media schools and get themselves jobs?

GUTFELD: Why would they bother?

BECKEL: So, they wouldn't have you picking on them.

BECKEL: Chuck Berry is wrapping, we've got to go.

Coming up, breaking news out of Toronto where Mayor Ford finally admitted to smoking crack. So, will he step down? You're going to hear from him next.

Plus, new bizarre video has emerged of the Miami Dolphin accused of bullying fellow player. It shows Richie Incognito shirtless going bananas in a bar. We got the tape ahead on "The Five".

PERINO: Did you guys ever eat banana peppers?

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REPORTER: Do you smoke crack cocaine?

ROB FORD, TORONTO MAYOR: Exactly. Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine. But no, do I? Am I an addict? No. Have I tried it? Probably in one of my drunken stupors, approximately about a year ago.

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BECKEL: After six months of denial, today, mayor of Toronto finally admitted that rumors were true, he has smoked crack and he insists he's not an addict. A few hours later, Rob Ford held a dramatic news conference to apologize.

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FORD: I know I embarrassed everyone in this city and I will be forever sorry. There is only one person to blame for this and that is myself. I know that admitting my mistake was the right thing to do, and I feel like a thousand pounds have been lifted off my shoulders.

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BECKEL: And probably put in your closet.

I find it hard to believe he only did that once. But here's an interesting thing. In Toronto, there's way to recall the mayor, I mean, he can run again, and he get a 90-day suspension. But that's about it.

GUTFELD: But the good news is, he's now qualified to be the mayor of D.C.

BECKEL: That's true, yes.

BOLLING: Or president -- I don't have to say that. I'll take it back.

TANTAROS: Politician that's not in the country. Although I have to say, you'd have to smoke crack to wear that tie to a national or global press conference. Look at how bad that is.

And, by the way, he hasn't dropped 1,000 pounds from the weight from that - -

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BECKEL: What?

BOLLING: See the tie he was wearing? It's an NFL teams tie.

BECKEL: There you go. That's great.

Dana, why are these guys keep coming up here saying, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, now I've got to go to work"?

PERINO: I do kind of feel for him. So he did drugs, and now he's coming out and saying look, I had a problem. When you're publicly embarrassed and your trust with the public that I can -- I feel for him a little bit.

Although I have to say, I really don't understand why we care about the Toronto mayor. I don't get it. We have a huge mayor's race tomorrow that is about to ruin the city --

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GUTFELD: We will all be smoking crack tomorrow.

PERINO: You want me to read my poem?

BECKEL: Yes, read your poem.

PERINO: OK, I wrote this during the commercial break.

Why do we care about Toronto's mayor? Why do you do that to me? How do you have that power?

GUTFELD: I know.

BECKEL: Is that it?

PERINO: It's really good.

BECKEL: OK, good.

TANTAROS: By the way, if there's one upside, he didn't say he didn't inhale, right? So you have to give him a little credit.

BECKEL: I feel for him too as a former addict, but I'll tell you what you don't go back to your job. What you really have to do is go to rehab.

And all I can say is Dana's poetry is stupendous. If you have a chance to buy some, she has a collection available on various different lists.

PERINO: It might be in a tweet.

GUTFELD: Why do we care about Toronto's mayor, I would rather focus on de Blasio's lair.

BECKEL: Oh, "One More Thing" is up next, folks.

TANTAROS: You're never going to get me.

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TANTAROS: It's now time for "One More Thing".

So if you missed Jimmy Kimmel, he's always very funny. And he did his annual Halloween prank where parents decide to tell their little ones that they ate all their candy.

Here's what happened.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Last night, we ate every bit of your Halloween candy.

KIDS: No!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm so sorry.

KID: I hate you!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was just kidding.

KID: Well, that's not very funny.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you love us?

KID: Yes.

But I don't like Jimmy Kimmel --

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TANTAROS: Great, great video.

All right. Greg?

GUTFELD: That's like child abuse. But fun child abuse.

TANTAROS: You do worse things on this show every single day.

GUTFELD: That is true.

PERINO: Not to mention the house boy.

GUTFELD: Oh, yes. We can't mention them anymore. They've all gone on to better places.

I hate these people!

NYU student fell in a narrow crevice between buildings, all right? He got stuck there for 36 hours. Happily, he's OK. The cops pulled him out. He had been drinking. He tumbled down a fire escape.

I hate people who can't handle their booze because they make drinkers like me look bad. I love the fact that I can go out and have a drink and not fall down and get stuck in the crevice for 36 hours.

BECKEL: That ain't too hard to do.

GUTFELD: I know.

PERINO: Yes, for you.

GUTFELD: You know what?

PERINO: You better be careful out there.

TANTAROS: Good thing we don't have footage from our old Christmas party, Greg.

GUTFELD: Yes, well --

TANTAROS: Dana?

PERINO: All right. Yesterday, at the Freedom Institute in Dallas at the Bush Library, President and Mrs. Bush, it was Mrs. Bush's birthday, they had a special guest, Dr. Charles Krauthammer, who had pretty funny things to say. Here's one of the little sound bites.

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DR. CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: My very best friend. Hmmm, before I give you the answer, I'll remind you what Harry Truman once said. If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog.

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KRAUTHAMMER: The Krauthammers have improved on that. We have two dogs in case one turns on us.

(LAUGHTER)

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PERINO: Always thinking ahead. I love Charles. He's got his new book, "Things that Matter." That's what's out right now.

TANTAROS: Beckel?

BECKEL: Beckel? Oh, that's me.

We've been follow thing story about the Miami Dolphins, Richie Incognito, who was bounced off the team, (INAUDIBLE) suspended, because he was bullying one of the other players. They caught him on a video, and here's good ole Richie.

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BECKEL: Yes, OK, Richie.

TANTAROS: I think it's ironic that his last name is Incognito.

BECKEL: Can you imagine somebody marrying that dude?

TANTAROS: No.

GUTFELD: If Bob said that, you know it's bad.

BOLLING: He actually calls for drug testing for football players. I mean, they're testing baseball players. I mean, it should definitely be doing the mandatory. This guy is clearly on a roid rage right there.

GUTFELD: Or he's just a big jerk. You know, some people can be jerks without drugs.

PERINO: He's incognito and he's masked as a total jackass.

TANTAROS: Maybe he's been hanging out with the Toronto mayor.

Eric, you're up.

BOLLING: We only have 15 seconds.

Very quickly, PPP just put out a poll that has Rand Paul and Chris Christie leading on the Republicans for 2016, with Ted Cruz, 16, 16 and 15.

TANTAROS: Never too early to start talking about 2016. That is it for us here on "The Five".

Thanks for watching, everybody. We'll see you right back here tomorrow.

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