Budget framework deal in the works?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 14, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, David Webb and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."


TANTAROS: Well, it's day 14 of the government shutdown and this week brings yet another deadline, the one over the debt ceiling.

The president is talking about a potential default and he's blaming Republicans.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Not only is it untenable for us to continue this shutdown, this week, if we don't start making some real progress both in the House and the Senate, and if Republicans aren't willing to set aside some of their partisan concerns in order to do what's right for the country, we stand a good chance of defaulting.


TANTAROS: Now, President Obama and Vice President Biden were supposed to meet with the four congressional leaders, Reid, McConnell, Pelosi and Boehner, but that meeting was abruptly postponed.

Now, we're also getting word that Mitch McConnell will present a potential plan to Senate Republicans tomorrow morning.

Ed Henry is following it from Washington. He joins us now from the White House -- Ed.


The bottom line is that that's actually good news, that the meeting here at the White House has delayed. Normally, you would say, wait, is this thing falling apart, is the president not ready to meet with Democratic and Republican leaders. This time, we're hearing White House aides signaled to the Senate leaders, "If you need more type, take it."

It appears they at least have a framework, we're told, from sources in both the Democrat and Republican Party in the Senate to move all this forward. It would basically extend the debt ceiling until February 15th. They would reopen the government until January 15th. And then they would have broader budget talks that would sort of have an expiration date of December 15th, to try to have some other bigger budget deal before the holidays.

The key here, it may be able to get through the Senate but can it get through the House? You have conservatives are saying, look, there's no changes to the president's health care law, there's not substantive spending cuts. The pushback on that is going to be that, look, this will happen in these broader budget talks in late November, early December. But, obviously, we've heard that before with the super committee of a couple years ago that ended up not following through on deficit reduction and whatnot.

So, that conversation is going to continue, as you say, Senator McConnell now will be briefing Senate Republicans early tomorrow, 11 a.m., Eastern Time. But, look, the clock is ticking. We're just three days away from the government not being able to have the power to borrow more money. In the Senate, as you know, it can take three or four days to push all of this through. So, they're going to have to start, you know, they're going to have to get moving quickly and we anticipate if not a late-night meeting today, we'd anticipate a meeting here at the White House tomorrow to try to seal all this, Andrea.

TANTAROS: Thanks, Ed.

By the way, there's some rumors floating around the Internet about you, that you stormed out of the White House briefing on Friday, because allegedly you were mad at Jay Carney. But that's not really true, is it?

HENRY: Not really true. Look, the bottom line is, what I was mad at is I wasn't getting called on and Jay Carney was clearly ignoring me for some 40 minutes. But the real story is that at about 1:00 p.m., he was supposed to be briefing on Friday and he pushed it back several types because, look, the negotiations were going on, that's fine, it happens. But it was not until about 4:00 p.m. that he actually that briefing.

And the reason why I was walking out, see that video, I was walking out, is because after 40 minutes of not being called on, I had people telling me I had to get out of on the North Lawn to do a hit for "The Five".

So, these bloggers who are attacking me actually went and check the video, they would see that a few minutes after I walked out, I came out here to talk to you guys, as a matter of record, and I was also trying to finish my script for 6:00 for Bret Baier. Otherwise, I would have had Bret mad at me, I would have had you guys and Porter Berry, your executive producer, mad at me, and that's the last thing I want.


GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I heard the rumor was, you had to go to the little boy's room and you were embarrassed.


HENRY: Not true.

GUILFOYLE: Don't answer that.

HENRY: Shockingly, Greg, something you just -- something you said is false.

TANTAROS: Ed, it didn't look like you were storming out. That's smart though. You don't want "The Five" at you. We're happy to be your alibi.

HENRY: Jay Carney can be mad at me. I do not want "The Five" mad at me.

TANTAROS: You're darn right. Thanks, Ed.

HENRY: Take care.

TANTAROS: All right. So, Bob, you have been following these behind the scenes negotiations. How close do you think they are at getting a deal?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: I think they've got a deal. I think it's just turning it into legislative language that works. The question now is -- I mean, this thing came off of ObamaCare by the end of last week it and went back under spending, particularly on the sequestration numbers. This deal now is -- in some ways, I mean, framework, but the difference is they've moved the C.R. up and they've moved the debt ceiling back.

I think it makes sense all the way around. The thing that scared everybody last night is the futures market for stock, had fallen something like 300 upon points, scared the hell out of people.

They've got a deal. The real question now, as Ed pointed out, or Ed didn't point out, he should have pointed out --

GUILFOYLE: You were listening.

BECKEL: I Boehner going to be able to do what he's going to have to do, which is take votes from Democrats, combined with 20 Republicans to pass this thing? That for Boehner is a very difficult political call, but I don't think from Boehner's standpoint, I don't think he's got any option.

TANTAROS: So, it does fall on Boehner's shoulders now because it looks like Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid and the White House are cobbling something together, Kimberly. Going back to Boehner again, the man at the center of the storm, a divided conference. He's looking at the poll numbers. He's feeling pressure, though.

What do you see John Boehner does?

GUILFPOYLE: It's official, he's got the worst job in America right now because he's about to get an old-fashioned karate kid leg sweep out from under him because it looks like they're going to put this through. What kind of position does that leave him in? And ultimately, the Republicans, because they made a big point about this, on priority and principle. What they thought was best for the country and what should be done.

And now, it looks like it's been chips away at. They have to get together and think about what's next not only for the country but how they're going to group this together. And also, how are they going to spin this?

From the communications standpoint, so it doesn't look like they took a big hit or loss. And this was, you know, cue the left to stir it up.

TANTAROS: So, Greg, if this deal goes through, it looks like the good news for you and for everyone at this table is we get to talk about it in just a couple of months again.

GUTFELD: Exactly, it never ends. It's like the sequel of "Nightmare on Elm Street," and you know the ending, and it keeps happening.

GUILFOYLE: It's still scary.

GUTFELD: To quote New Kids on the Block, the Republicans have to stand tough. I'm sorry, the whole point for the Democrats is demanding an increase in debt. What is the common sense response for that? Hell no.


GUTFELD: It's over. We're done. Doesn't matter what party is involved. There's always asking for an increase in debt.

If some guy owes you a lot of money and they come back and they come back and they want more money, you have to say screw you, we've had enough.

And the media drives me nuts because they're calling for a middle ground. Their middle ground is between the left and the far left, between maniacal and homicidal. It's the argument between being hit by one boulder and being hit by two. It's pointless.

We're going down this horrible, horrible path. The Democrats want to raise tax because they can't stop spending and we don't stop spending, we don't tell them to stop spending because we're fed these apocalyptic lies, these lies that the world's going to hell in a hand basket when it's not. We can spend the money. We can spend the money without actually raising it. We need long term cuts.

Sorry, I'm done.


TANTAROS: What about that, David?

GUILFOYLE: We shouldn't be in this to begin with.

TANTAROS: I know you have Tea Party ties and Republicans finally are standing up for something. And I think that's what the base has really wanted. They felt that John Boehner caved last December. He conceded too much to the Democrats. They're standing firm.

So as far as the Republican Party is concerned, they're finally standing for something. Are they going to be really ticked off if Boehner caves? Will they perceive it as caving?

DAVID WEBB, CO-HOST: Every American should be ticked off if the Republicans cave. If they do, frankly, then, it's time to call the Republican leadership of the deal makers that have been there for 20, 30, 40 years.

The problem we have is what Greg said. We have a debt ceiling, which is no ceiling. Everybody goes through it over and other. I'm sick of hearing whether Reagan did it this many times or Clinton did it or Bush did it. The problem is you can't do it anymore.

You pay the interest on the debt, you don't default. You do risk a downgrade but also, Moody's, S&P and the rating agencies will look at what you do legislatively when they issue their ratings. So, we've got to think long term.

And, frankly, if the Republicans cave on this, we call that leadership, we get rid of the guys that are making bad deals, because here's the real loser -- the American people.

Here are the worst losers in this -- the Democrats claim to be for the little man, the people on the lower rung of the socioeconomic ladder. They are going to lose the worst of this bunch because of the value of the dollar goes down, as purchase cost, as costs go up, and we look at this, they can't afford food.

So, for everybody that's looking at this that's going, how do I get out of this? Do you want to be able to buy food at low cost? Do you want to be able to feed your family and pay your bills?

BECKEL: David, it's 15 days until Halloween, don't scare everybody now.

GUIFOYLE: Reality can be scary, Bob.

BECKEL: Here's what reality. The reality is, the Republican Party, you talk about the base, most of the Republican Party in this country, represented by Republican governors, all of whom think that the Republicans in the House are crazy, want this thing other with. The base of the Republican Party --

TANTAROS: Wait, wait --

WEBB: Hold on, I'm not talking about --

TANTAROS: No, no, we got to get to this sound because you're talking about the base being crazy. The issue here is that the president's taking a lot of heat for not negotiating.

George Will was on "FOX NEWS SUNDAY", he says he's an ideologue. He doesn't want to negotiate. He doesn't want a grand bargain. That's why Republicans shouldn't trust him.

Take a listen.


GEORGE WILL, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: The fact is, we have a very polarizing president. I'm not criticizing him for this. He's a progressive. He exists to enlarge the power of government as an engine of the redistribution of wealth and opportunity. That's his agenda.

He's not interested in a grand bargain. He's not interested in compromising. He doesn't think he needs to.


GUILFOYLE: So, why, Kimberly, then should Republicans?

GUILFOYLE: I mean, they shouldn't. That's the point. It's what you believed in from the get-go. I take them at their word. They were well- intentioned. This wasn't political posturing. This is what they firmly believed is in the best interest of the country.

Then, you got to hold your position, because otherwise, it's meaningless. You can't just say, oh, in the spirit of compromise, we've got to meet a middle ground. Not if the middle ground is bad. Not if it's bad for the country and for the economy. It's going to hurt the lower and middle class who's going to be shouldering this burden.

This is one thing that the left can't sit there and pawn off on the rich and say, we're going to tax them and make them fix it. It's going to impact everybody.

BECKEL: You know something, most of the economists in the world don't know this -- us defaulting is going to send shockwaves --

WEBB: You don't have to default, Bob --


BECKEL: You try to collect that, we tried that, it didn't work.

WEBB: It's a fact, Bob.

BECKEL: And the fact of the matter is, you're taking a very big risk here over a very small percentage of people in this case --

WEBB: So, Bob, do you go off a ten-foot cliff, which is where you are now, or do you keep kicking this can down the road? The poor can. And then --

TANTAROS: Banned phrase.

WEBB: OK, banned phrase, and end up going off 100-foot cliff. You can survive a 10-foot fall, you might get broken up. You go over 100-foot cliff, you're not going to live.

BECKEL: That's a Tea Party cliff number --


WEBB: No, Obama's driving the car and hurdling to the cliff, time to put the brakes on.

TANTAROS: Greg, do you think by the time 2014 rolls around, do you think that this is going to be remembered? Anybody's going to be blamed for it, both parties?


TANTAROS: Or do you think they'll forget about Republicans and Democrats and be focused on ObamaCare?

GUTFELD: I think it will be -- this is the first quarter of preseason NBA game. Everybody's getting popcorn. The most important thing that the Republicans have to do is they have to stick with ObamaCare. Every time there's a candidate running, you got to have somebody next to you that's been a victim of ObamaCare. That's what you got to run against.

I think this other thing will probably move away.

BECKEL: Well, listen, let me tell you something. My man Teddy Cruz --

GUILFOYLE: Here we go.

BECKEL: -- who you know, I'm a big Teddy Cruz -- he and Sarah Palin from Walesa -- or whatever it's called --


GUILFOYLE: -- make fun of where she's from --

BECKEL: -- because I want to go down there with him next time because I want to be where history is made, and that is to have Cruz and Palin. That's the ticket for the Republicans in 2016. I think it's perfect. And, you know, perfect for you, David, take those people. Teddy is a good candidate.

GUTFELD: Can I point out? You're talking about the fact they were down there at the World War II Memorials where the vets marched and to a collective snicker of the media, who looked at this as whack -- wing nut and right wing cranks, because they managed to find a confederate flag, one Confederate flag, and they said, oh, my God, look at all these whack jobs.

Meanwhile, there were no rapes. There was no defecation. There was no vandalism. It wasn't Occupy Wall Street.

WEBB: No drug arrests.

GUTFELD: No, no.


GUTFELD: But they conveniently -- they conveniently avoid the fringe on the left, and they -- and they seek like mad just one little example of the fringe on the right. There's fringe on the right. There's fringe on the left.

But the media can't bear to look at the fringe on the left because they agree with them.

GUILFOYLE: This should be your monologue for tomorrow.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

TANTAROS: All right. Before we go, be sure to check out our Facebook page at And also our brand-new Web site at You can do it during the commercial break.

But come up, you won't want to miss this, the grand rollout of ObamaCare has been nothing short of a disaster. And now "The New York Times," of all the papers, is saying the administration has been trying to mislead us. That report when we come back.


GUTFELD: So, "The New York Times" says the White House put off issuing major rules regarding ObamaCare until after the last presidential election. The reason: not wanting to give any Republicans firepower. The translation, this administration sucks and if people find out about it, we're going to lose.

So, that's four disasters buried in order to win an election -- Benghazi, the IRS, the DOJ and now this feted (ph) farce called ObamaCare. This is no White House. It's a mausoleum of mistakes where they spend more time stashing skeletons than a medical college. And the media helps with the burying, when they should be digging for the truth.

But while this corrupt strategy got a win in November, Obama looks lost. Now, those scandals refused to die and are now zombified, emerging from the ground, demanding their pound of flesh. ObamaCare is the latest of the undead to break from the tomb, targeting a population who just heard the free part of ObamaCare. Now, it's time to pay and the zombies are hungry.

How hilarious is it that a program meant to enhance your health now requires its own warning label. It's not hilarious actually, because as any-liberal knows, it was never about helping people. The real zombie is the amoral beast of big government marching forward with soulless eyes, seeking nothing but demanding everything. Somewhere, George Romero is laughing his butt off, if it's still there.

Andrea, I love the fact that "The New York Times" was saying there was a problem with the start. Think maybe they might have noticed that before it came out.


GUTFELD: Or were they trying not to notice?

TANTAROS: They were deliberately trying not to notice. I think they were all under their desks crossing their fingers. Let's hope this works out so we don't have to write anything negative about them. Now, they almost have to. I mean, their own credibility's on the line.

It's a shame, though, Greg, that Republicans aren't talking more about ObamaCare because today, big story in "USA Today," hospitals are cutting staff in Connecticut. Doctors are being fired as part of Medicare Advantage.

Everything we said would happen, everything Republicans that said would happen, everything that Mitt Romney said would happen -- they can't really make the point though because they're tied into these D.C. deals.

GUTFELD: You know, it's almost like the Republicans have this huge beautiful meal in their living room and they're eating Twizzlers in the bathroom.

TANTAROS: I love Twizzlers.

GUTFELD: Yes. But you know my point is --


WEBB: Go for the meal.

GUTFELD: Yes, go for the meal.

GUTFELD: David, the other thing, this "New York Times" article, a lot of people quoted in it anonymously because they were worried about getting their -- I don't know, something happening.

WEBB: Because they might have to take ObamaCare. That's why.

Look, "The New York Times" is the -- I don't know, for lack of a better term, nothing. I was trying to think of something nice to say -- but not really. They ran the gamut for the Obama campaign no matter what it is.

Even right now. He's been elected. It's still an Obama campaign.

They sold us this gigantic nightmare as good for people. Now some of them may have to take it. All those folks that were not the bosses at "The Times" building, they might have to take ObamaCare because they owe money to Carlos Slim, a couple hundred million dollars. They're underwater.

What happens? They're going to start cutting costs. And so, they're going to find out they're going to have to eat this meal by the way which has now been there a week, maybe months, and it's rotten and it tastes exactly like ObamaCare, bad.

GUILFOYLE: Bob has indigestion after that description.



GUTFELD: I have no idea what that means.

BECKEL: I don't either but that's --


GUILFOYLE: No, no --

BECKEL: I'm sorry, apparently I don't -- apparently --

WEBB: For our Spanish audience, we apologize for Bob.

BECKEL: Can I just make one point? Do I think they kept this quiet before the election? Yes. For the election? Yes.

Are they the first presidential candidate to do that? No. Republicans have done it. I mean, that's part of campaigns. You don't bring out your bad news.

GUTFELD: But so many, Bob.

BECKEL: Well, there were a few there. But, look, the in end, keep talking about ObamaCare, how the computers crashed and all that. If I were this guy who built that thing, man, I'd be out in the woods somewhere.


BECKEL: -- where the states took responsibility for their health care, like California, it's working fine. The exchanges are working fine - -

WEBB: Whoa, whoa, whoa --

BECKEL: And the states who didn't were all red states, Republicans, who threw it all on the federal government.

WEBB: We covered California, state exchange, claimed 5 million hits, revised it 87 percent, like 600,000 whatever, 642,000. And it still crashed. And nobody signed up.

It worked really great, Bob. By the way, there's --


BECKEL: David, it's really nice to have you here, but get used to it, OK, because it is the law of the land and you're not going to repeal it. Certainly not with Teddy and my pals trying to stop the government.

GUTFELD: You know, Bob, there are many examples of laws that have been repealed. True.

GUILFOYLE: The problem is, Bob just keeping saying, like on autopilot, it's the law of the land, like it or not.


GUILFOYLE: You heard me. OK?

Nobody's signing up for it. You can't pay for it. You need how many millions of people to sign up to even make this thing work and make it economically feasible? And last, Bob, you were talking about, oh, everyone's signing up, all these hits -- no, they're not. This sucks.

TANTAROS: You know what else is happening too?

BECKEL: It's two weeks old.

TANTAROS: You know this, Bob, a number of individuals who have current policies are getting dropped because the policies don't meet the crazy new standards --

GUILFOYLE: The criteria, yes.

TANTAROS: So what are these people doing? They have to go into the exchanges. They're turning over all their privacy information.

And the difference, though, between this and Benghazi, no one has died yet from ObamaCare. But, Greg, this touches every single person. They can't run from this, even if the media never covers it again. People are figuring out when they're getting their premiums. People are figuring out when they're logging --

GUILFOYLE: It's only going to get worse. Very, very quickly.

BECKEL: Why do you keep messing with the government? You're so sure it's going to fall apart, people are going to die. Let it go and be a great campaign --

GUILFOYLE: Because we care about the country.

WEBB: We care about the people.

BECKEL: Oh, yes, you do.

GUTFELD: I'm not -- I will say I don't care about the country.

Now, I want to go to Paul Krugman who works for "The New York Times." You might know.

WEBB: Amazing.

GUTFELD: I think his nickname is captain cuckoo. What he had to say about ObamaCare.



PAUL KRUGMAN, NEW YORK TIMES COLUMNIST: The ObamaCare thing will also be long passed. They messed up software for the federal version of it. But we have the exchanges working just fine in many states which means it's fixable and it will be fixed. California has a well-functioned exchange. If you can do it for 30 million people, you can do it for 300 million.

So, ObamaCare will be working fine.


WEBB: Oh, and roses and unicorns and fairies. By the way, the pixie dust will come down and this will work great.

GUTFELD: Whenever he talks, I just feel like he should be petting a cat. ObamaCare will work. People will die, but we'll all die. And this is my cat.

By the way, can we just show some of the happy faces on the ObamaCare Web site? I love this.

This is my rule, that the happy faces are inversely proportional to the misery this is causing. There's not one person who happy on this Web site. It's only the stock photography.

WEBB: Or have they signed up?

GUILFOYLE: You figured it out.

GUTFELD: Yes, it took me a while.

GUILFOYLE: Those are actors and actresses --

WEBB: Like the doctor --


BECKEL: -- it's going to work, it's going to work fine. It's like everything else.


GUILFOYLE: Bob backing off a little bit --

WEBB: I love how you liberals --

BECKEL: Liberals and warlords is what I want to know --


BECKEL: People are optimistic. I mean, you know, it's like Halloween every day for you people. Everything's horrible. You know what, this is America. Be optimistic.


GUTFELD: I don't know any leftists who are apocalyptic about the world, about global warming and climate change and the oceans rising. You're absolutely right --

BECKEL: No, this is America. If we stop global warming, we're going to continue to be optimistic.


TANTAROS: I cannot believe --

BECKEL: There are 30 million people who are not ensured --

TANTAROS: They're not going to be --

WEBB: And over 270 million now have to worry about their health care.

BECKEL: Are you worried about yours?

WEBB: Yes.

BECKEL: Oh, really?

WEBB: Because if my company decides to drop it --

BECKEL: You need a loan?

WEBB: Are you going to borrow some money or redistribute --


BECKEL: I'll take care of it --

WEBB: All right, get some tax dollars --

BECKEL: If they can start by taking whatever that thing is crawling up inside you that is making you so negative --

GUILFOYLE: Geez, Bob --

WEBB: I drank the tea, Bob, what can I say?

BECKEL: That's for sure, that's for sure.

GUTFELD: All right.

GUILFOYLE: Get out of here.

GUTFELD: Interesting comment by Bob. We will discuss it during the break and try to forget everything we learned.

All right. Still to come, you might have heard NBC's Bob Costas deliver a new rant at halftime last night. I believe that's football. This one on the Redskins name controversy. He's come under fire in the hours since, but he's firing right back when "The Five" returns.


GUILFOYLE: The Washington Redskins played the Dallas Cowboys last night and it was their first game since President Obama said they should consider changing their name. One football fans got a dose of politics during the halftime show with NBC's Bob Costas said this about the controversy.


BOB COSTAS, NBC: Objections to names like Braves, Chiefs, Warriors and the like strike many of us as political correctness run amok. These nicknames honor rather demean. Ask yourself what the equivalent would be if directed towards African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians or other members of any other ethnic groups. When considered that way, Redskins can't possibly honor a heritage or a noble character trait, nor could it be considered a neutral term.

It's an insult, a slur, no matter how benign the present day intent.


GUILFOYLE: Was there any blowback for his comments? You might be wondering. Well, here's Costas this morning.


COSTAS: From what I've been able to determine from NBC people, it's much more muted than the gun thing, and any negative reaction comes from an extreme fringe.


GUILFOYLE: Please. I mean, every time I hear that, it irritates me, Greg. So, the extreme fringe. Actually the majority of Americans think it's perfectly fine to have this name.

GUILFOYLE: You know, I don't really care about his opinions. And he can have them. I'm not that far away from what he believes in. But he's pretending to be daring.

I have a Bob Costas rule. He only makes a stand when it's safe to do so. And his stands are always reflective of the media world that he belongs in. He comes out about gun because everybody in the media feels the same way. Comes out about the Redskins because everybody in the media feels the same way.

But since when did sportscasters become lefty mouthpieces. You have Olbe, you've got the twerp, Mike Lupica, you've got Costas. They don't reflect the people in professional sport. But the medium they're in, they're basically serving their media masters, instead of the athletes they are supposed to cover.

BECKEL: I don't think you should pay attention to the media anymore.

GUILFOYLE: He's just obsessed.

GUTFELD: No, no, that's my only job, Bob.


GUTFELD: If you got away, I have nothing.

GUILFOYLE: Do you have something interesting to say, Bob?

BECKEL: Yes. By --


BECKEL: Let me just say, being from Washington, we've been through this for 30 years. We hear it over and over again every year. It is the right of the owner of the Washington Redskins to call it the Redskins, whether Costas likes it or not. Whether some of my friends on left who think that I've sold out -- I think it's fine.

It just, I mean, I don't -- I don't know why it's such a big deal. It's one football franchise out of 32, I guess, 28 or 32.

WEBB: Something like that.

BECKEL: Something like that. Anyway, somewhere around there.

WEBB: Liberal numbers.

BECKEL: Few Indians here, a few Chiefs here.


TANTAROS: I mean, I heard he made these comments. I just went, oh, figures.

If you're watching the game, you're watching Bob Costas, like why is he weighing in on this, why is he talking about this instead of what's happening on the field? Because fans are probably listening going, shut up, Bob.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, kind of like what they do here, this show.

TANTAROS: That's a very familiar thought.

GUTFELD: If he came back about the concussions. But if he has on that, but he didn't.

WEBB: No, because that affects his bottom line.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

WEBB: By the way, Bob, personally, I'm offended. He brought up African-Americans, and unless you can tell me what tribe you're from, you're black and you're American.

So, what about the Chicago Blackhawks? Shouldn't I be offended? I want the Blackhawks to change their name, Andrea.

TANTAROS: I want the Trojans to change theirs. I'm so offended.

BECKEL: Can I just say one thing --

WEBB: Let's all be offended. I'm outrage.

BECKEL: I think what Greg had to say about Costas, why in the world, in the middle of a football game, do you begin to editorialize about stuff like this? I don't get it.

GUILFOYLE: Trying to steal Alec Baldwin's new show --

BECKEL: Seriously, why in the world -- the people who watch this game did not tune in to listen to Bob Costas give his opinion.

TANTAROS: Greg, he can't help himself. When Bob Costas walks into the cocktail party on Friday night, everybody with their little martinis can go, bravo, Bob, that was so brave of you.

WEBB: Do they really do the bravo thing?

TANTAROS: Yes, they do, with their "New York Times" in their hand.

GUILFOYLE: I love the olives.

All right. When we come back --

BECKEL: Are you done with the segment yet?

GUILFOYLE: I'm trying, you destroyed the beginning of it.

OK. Let's hold on. Do the hosts at this show think the European lifestyle is better than ours? It seems so. We're going to show you what they said.

And later, it's a miracle. Bob Beckel and Rand Paul agree on something. You have to stick around to find out why.


WEBB: We can spend an entire hour -- well, maybe we could, talking about what makes America exceptional, especially when you compare us to Europe. That's what the hosts over at the "Today" show struggled to come up with substantive examples. Check this out.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are Europeans just better at life than Americans are?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think we do have a very good job of cheese here.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some fantastic cheeses.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What else does America do better than the European?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baseball. Sports. Pickup trucks.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was going to say burgers and hot dogs. I wanted to say French fries but they're French.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We create fast food, they copy it. If you go anywhere in Europe, there's a McDonald.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Better action movies.


WEBB: You know, is there a language restriction? Because I can there were palm trees and there American invention. There's five of them and they don't add up to one of us -- Greg.

GUTFELD: I would say that the winning of wars has enabled vast industry and wealth, which allows people like Matt Lauer to make $30 million a year despite look like an overgrown bald eagle chick.

BECKEL: Does that guy make 30 million bucks a year?


WEBB: Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: How about all the innovation and technology that we've developed here. And especially even in the field of medicine that has been life saving throughout the world. Yes, I agree.

WEBB: (INAUDIBLE) in Europe?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, absolutely. So, this is the land of innovation. Three quarters of the world's innovation technology comes from this country. Deal with it, people. It's not just the cheese --

WEBB: All right. Bob, so, are you an exceptional man?

BECKEL: I would say people think so but it's not the case.


BECKEL: Let me just say this is the only form of government that was formed on a Constitution based on people, which is what makes America exceptional. But the other that makes us exception is our women shaved.


TANTAROS: Oh, my goodness.

WEBB: With that note, and no transfer of thought --

GUILFOYLE: Honest to that, that's the best you can come up with?

BECKEL: You've been where I've been, that's best you'd come up with, yes.


TANTAROS: Please, let's do this --

WEBB: Again with no transfer, let me go to Andrea.

TANTAROS: Bob, Constitution and hygiene, those are two very good ones and very true ones.

GUILFOYLE: Look at Greg.

GUTFELD: It's true.

TANTAROS: There wouldn't even really be a Europe without the United States of America. Not only did we help save Europe so everyone's not speaking German, we rebuilt Europe, then started trading with Europe. I mean, there's all these other things. I can't believe they missed -- Internet, the missed aviation, they missed all the inventions.

GUILFOYLE: How about all the --

TANTAROS: Oil wells, movies.


WEBB: Real movies.

GUILFOYLE: And how about hurricanes, natural disasters. Who's the first one in with the cash, with the supply, with the medical help, right? The United States.

WEBB: Here's my three. I'll pick my top three. The Constitution, the First Amendment. Which means the "Today" show can throw anything they want and not get thrown in the Human Rights Council.

Elvis. Rock and roll. We gave the world rock and roll. Give the British a chance of their second revolution via the Beatles.

And bourbon.


WEBB: Some of the world's best (INAUDIBLE) is that Kentucky brown tea. So Europe and all you elitists from "Today" show, whatever it. Suck it.

By the way, our ratings are better.

TANTAROS: I lived in France for a year. When people always say the grass is always greener, I mowed those lawns. It's really not. I wouldn't want to get sick in France. I wouldn't want to get sick in Greece.


WEBB: All right, we got to wrap.

BECKEL: Can you imagine -- the British who hate the French -- they shouldn't have built a tunnel to them. Are you kidding me?

WEBB: Next, Bob is the one who doesn't see eye to eye with Republicans on anything, but he's found some common ground with Senator Rand Paul on a very serious issue. Bob will try to explain when we come back.

GUILFOYLE: Will try?


BECKEL: Here's Johnny.

Here on "The Five", we've told you a lot about radical Muslims attacking and killing Christians around the world. Some people, especially in the media, won't tell you the truth. I think more people need to be honest about the situation.

So, I was happy to see Republican Senator Rand Paul when he said this.


SEN. RAND PAUL (R), KENTUCKY: I want to talk about a war that the mainstream media's ignoring. From Boston to Zanzibar, there's a worldwide war on Christianity. Christians are being attacked around the world but you won't hear much about it on the evening news because the answer's not convenient. It doesn't fit the narrative we've been told about radical Islam. The truth is a worldwide war on Christians is being waged by fanatical element of Islam.


BECKEL: It's exactly right. I -- I've been on this topic for sometime. But the other thing, look forward now to some of these presumably Muslim countries, is that Christians were there before you were, number one. Now, there may be more of you. You may have bred faster.

The fact of the matter is, they have every right to practice their religion. If you don't stop it, if you don't stop it, there are going to be consequences. And I just say this again, fatwa this.

Go ahead.

WEBB: I'm not going to argue on this one, Bob. I tell you what we do need to do, where are the so-called moderate Muslims?

BECKEL: They don't exist.

WEBB: Where are they?

BECKEL: They're hiding.

WEBB: They are hiding in some countries, I get it, because you'll get killed for some saying something in some countries. But here in America, with the exception of a few people, you don't hear a thing from them. They come out, and by the way, where are the liberals, the feminists or the children, on education. So, where are the moderate Muslims, where are the liberals? Not you, Bob, in this case.

BECKEL: We only got short period of time.

Go ahead, Andrea.

TANTAROS: It's the last acceptable form of discrimination in the country, and it is happening all over the world, and we have Christians being killed an persecuted in Syria, and the president who took to his podium to plea to go into Syria never even mentioned the persecution of Christians.

The same goes for Egypt. They are being persecuted in Egypt. It's gotten worse under the Muslim brotherhood. The president says absolute nothing, and it is despicable that they don't call attention to this.

BECKEL: Greg, I couldn't agree more, why Obama has not said anything about this is amazing.

GUTFELD: And, you know, Christians know that they should convert to Islam, and then Obama will be sympathetic.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness.

BECKEL: What do you think about this?

GUILFOYLE: Well, I think that what really bothers me is the crimes committed against the young girls and the women in these countries in the name of religion, and it's horrific. You see it in Egypt, you see it in Pakistan. You see Christian girls that are being raped and sold off to the Muslim men to marry them. It's really atrocious in the number of deaths that has occurred and why is the international community so deafeningly silent.

GUTFELD: It's a real war on women and no feminist around here --

BECKEL: Well, I couldn't agree more. What is it about my side, and why for example now, who I have supported all along, why are you keeping your mouth shut about this is beyond me, and why is that people who believe in liberalism as I do can sit back and be silent in the face of these fanatic, thug, murderer bums who are -- I mean, it's amazing to me. And I will and I will say it again.

I get jumped on this all of the time. Oh, Bob, you could shot say it about the Muslims -- I will about until one has the guts to stand up and say something!

TANTAROS: Bob, it's not even like they're not say anything. They actually go out of their way in the administration to try and conflate Islam with Christianity, talking about a shared history of tolerance. That's a bunch of bull.

BECKEL: When is the last head of a Muslim of state who came out to talk about this? They're all cowards as far as I'm concerned.

"One More Thing" is up next!

GUILFOYLE: I'm really scared.


TANTAROS: It is now time for "One More Thing".


GUTFELD: Well, as you can tell by the glasses that I'm wearing, I lost a valuable friend this weekend, and please roll.


GUILFOYLE: Oh. I'm so sorry.

GUTFELD: These were a gift from Kimberly a couple of years ago over Christmas and now, they are broken. I don't really what to do with them. So, I'm going to say, you guys bid on these, and the winning bid will go to some kind of charity that will be named later.

TANTAROS: Are you going to tell us what happened?

GUTFELD: I sat on them in a bar.

GUILFOYLE: And they should have been on supervised visitation.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's a shame, though. And we shared a lot of great times here, and we saw a lot of stuff.

TANTAROS: Oh, if those glasses could talk.


WEBB: Or a videotape.

GUTFELD: Kill me now.

GUILFOYLE: Kind of sad.

TANTAROS: Roberto?

BECKEL: I have read a lot of political books in my life, but this is by far the single best political book I have ever read. It's the "Kennedy Half Century" by Larry Sabato. This book is as good a history. It is not partisan. It's not liberal or conservative. It's just a great history book.

Any of you who like politics, get this book and read it, because you will learn so much from this. I thought I knew a lot about politics and I read this book, and I will tell you that very few political scientists do I have respect for, I do for Larry Sabato, because he understands politics, he understands campaigns.

"Kennedy Half Century" by Larry Sabato, get this book if you get nothing else, get this book.

GUTFELD: What about my book?


BECKEL: No, I don't. I am telling you that I was spellbound by it.

TANTAROS: Sabato is the bomb, isn't he?

BECKEL: He is. He's unbelievably good.

TANTAROS: Yesterday, I had the opportunity to emcee the cure search pediatric cancer walk in my home town in Lehigh Valley in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. A beautiful day and a lot of people turned out to raise $75,000 to find a cure for pediatric cancer.

I'm pictured with a little boy there. That's Duncan. He is a survivor. He beat the disease, and so it was a great opportunity yesterday to give back. If you want to learn more, you can go the, A really good cause and a fun day.

GUILFOYLE: Well done, very nice.

GUTFELD: Did you go to Yocco's?

TANTAROS: I didn't get a hotdog at Yocco's or a chicken lounge.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness.

Well, that would not be dieting. But speaking of dieting, I've got some good news for you chocolate lovers out there, because studies are showing, and this is coming from the "Daily Mail" reporter, and they are saying that people who go ahead to starve themselves on the diet and they don't want to eat anything, because like chocolate and things like that, you are doing yourself a disservice, and 65 percent of people put on more weight by eating on more and more.

BECKEL: Absolutely.

GUILFOYLE: So have what you like. And there's one study that shows that if you eat chocolate like this, you could actually live longer, so I won't be giving Bob any of, this and he has been trying to eat it.


GUILFOYLE: Thank you. You get that part.

BECKEL: That's all?

WEBB: All right. I get my chocolate for the --

GUIFOYLE: I am saving it for you.

WEBB: Well, as a New York Giants and Mets fan, I have to begrudgingly give love to Boston. First, we have the Patriots. It's a classic real TD. Come on, look at this.


TANTAROS: Tom Brady is awesome.

GUTFELD: And he is good at football.

WEBB: And here is the Red Sox, and look at that, a grand slam. Great day for sports in Boston, and what can I say, good luck to them. And frankly since Bean Town through that that little thing called the Tea Party, I can always call them my second home.

TANTAROS: That is for us here at "The Five", thanks for watching, everybody. We'll see you right back here tomorrow.

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