This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 11, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle, along with Bob Beckel, Andrea Tantaros, Dana Perino, and Brian Kilmeade.
It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."
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GUILFOYLE: We have a jam-packed show for you tonight.
The one and only Megyn Kelly will be here later this hour to talk about her new prime-time smash hit "The Kelly File" and much more.
But, first, there may have been a breakthrough in Washington today on day 11 of the government shutdown. The president met with Republicans in the Senate earlier today. He just spoke with John Boehner.
Ed Henry has been following it all and joins us now from the White House -- Ed.
ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Kimberly, good to see you.
The bottom line is the White House is saying the talks have progressed further today than they have in several days. You mentioned that phone call happened just about an hour ago between the president and Speaker John Boehner. Jay Carney at the podium just a few moments ago was saying that they both felt the conversation went well, and that all they agreed, though, there's not a deal but what they agreed is that all sides need to keep talking.
What are they talking about? The kind of road block, if you will, right now seems to be that what the president wants is to extend the debt ceiling for a long period. Not just six weeks like Speaker Boehner's been talking about. But also wants to reopen the government without any strings attached. And then says he'll enter broader budget negotiations the Republicans say they want.
The problem here, in terms of the roadblock, is that Speaker Boehner and others in the Senate, Senate Republicans as well, want to add various strings, whether it's changes to the president's health care law, other issues. As you know, the president's position here throughout has been he's not going to negotiate under the threat of a possible default and he's not going to negotiate over reopening the government. But once those two things happen and those threats are gone, then he will have these broader talks.
So, that's ort of the sticking point. Can they have -- because the White House won't call them negotiations but continue to have these talks with Republican, not call them negotiations semantically, and still move the ball forward?
It's looking like maybe early next week they could have a deal as they iron these differences out.
And the final point I make is there's a lot of pressure on both sides. For the president, again, he has been saying all along, he's not going to negotiate. Well, look, everyone's finally talking, and that idea of not negotiating has sort of fallen apart.
And then for Republicans, if you look at this NBC News/"Wall Street Journal" poll today, it suggested they're getting more blame than the Democrats are for this government shutdown and there's a lot of political pressure on them to end all this, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, another episode of semantics gymnastics from the White House.
Dana, so, what's your takeaway from this?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, do we get to ask Ed a question?
GUILFOYLE: No.
PERINO: No?
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BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Just before the show started, we said no questions for Ed.
PERINO: Oh, we did?
BECKEL: Yes.
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PERINO: Just call me Bob Beckel.
ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: No umbrella for Ed, either.
GUILFOYLE: No, we'll call you -- he's rigorous, let me tell you.
PERINO: It was really raining there, is what I recognized.
BECKEL: Can we get on?
PERINO: No, I just want to say, Bob, you were right, you predicted this whole thing.
BECKEL: Thank you.
PERINO: There was a script. This is your world and we're just living in it.
BECKEL: I know it. And I appreciate it, you're welcome, too. Could you answer the question?
PERINO: What --
GUILFOYLE: I want to know what your assessment is and what's the president's next step from a communications perspective?
PERINO: I think he'd just hold. If I were the White House, why would you negotiate? Why -- it sounds to me like they had a good conversation. They'll figure it out next week.
Which is what we all said, when the debt ceiling deadline was coming up which is October 17th, next Thursday, that this would get solved before that.
BECKEL: We all said that, huh?
PERINO: I said that.
BECKEL: You did.
GUILFOYLE: Anything the president can say or do now that is going to move the ball one way or another with this tug-of-war that's going on politically?
TANTAROS: Well, I think what's most important for him is preserving his ego. He says he does not want to operate under the threat of default. But that's exactly what he's doing. That's why he's having him to the White House.
So, I think it's more important for him, Kimberly, to appear as if he's not really negotiating. So, that he gets the government reopened and that we don't default. But the most important thing for Speaker Boehner is to look like he's bringing back something, some kind of concession to the Republican Party.
Now --
GUILFOYLE: Well, his speakership's on the line with this.
TANTAROS: He has a very divided conference. He's got a very stressful situation right now.
Again, if I were him, I would have had a better, I think, more united message on what Republicans really want. They have been all over the map.
I mean, to Bob's point, and I've said this, they should have just let Obama own this. Let the media report on ObamaCare. And let it go.
Now, we're not in that situation. What I don't understand is why they couldn't get around one central negotiating point like stripping the IRS of the ability to enforce the ObamaCare taxes and introduce some taxpayer bill of rights and let the president defend the IRS.
But they've been all over the place with messaging. So we'll see what they get.
GUILFOYLE: Because I think there isn't, you know, unification in terms of positioning of what they really believe should happen. You've got one function having a certain outcome specific they want to achieve, and you've got other group saying, hey, let's be more conciliatory, let's try and reach a compromise. So, there you have it, the schism.
BRIAN KILMEADE, CO-HOST: Today's about the Senate, too. And today is about the Collins deal, where Collins came out, Senator Collins from Maine, joined in with other women. I guess if you want anything solved in this country, clearly by the format of the cast of "The Five" today -- get a woman involved, because you have Senator Collins, Murkowski and Ayotte all together combined, really Collins plan, where they're saying, hey, do me a favor, get rid of the medical device tax and we can lift everything all at once. Also, let's agree there's comprehensive reform down the line and some immediate conferee's names to start talking about getting our deficit under control.
I think that's moving. At the same time, with that Ed Henry report about what the House is saying. But with the card, I need to know if John Boehner still has this. What is going to make the president truly look at tax reform, tax structure, deficit under control -- except for, shake this hand, I will do it later? So do they have to hold back the funding of the government in order to guarantee the president's going to go and negotiate without being against the debt limit?
GULFOYLE: Bob, I'm going to ask you to respond as we play Senator Lindsey Graham and get some insight about what's going on with the negotiation.
BECKEL: Sure, I'll get in here some point. That's fine.
GUILFOYLE: This is going to be all you, Bob. And you've been smiling all week. This is going to be your additional happy moment.
Lindsey Graham first.
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SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: There's a deal to be had to reopen the government, raise the debt ceiling in the next 48 hours that also will relieve some of the pain caused by the Affordable Healthcare Act.
Twenty-four hours ago, I thought the House was locked down and incapable, quite frankly, of producing a product and we had to go first. Now, I'm of the opinion the House is ready to go first. And it would be better for the country if the product came out of the House.
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GUILFOYLE: OK, Bob?
BECKEL: Well, I was -- I was not going to gloat here at all, but your opening about, you know --
GUILFOYLE: Tug of war?
BECKEL: Yes. It isn't. It is one side that has all the rope and the other side has very little. But I think, in fact, Boehner had no other choice but to do this. That they're not going to close the government anymore. That's over.
The polling data, it's not only bad, it's getting worse. And listen to this, ObamaCare has increased in popularity the last week. Now, why do you think that is? Because it's any better? No, because the Republicans are taking that much more heat for using it. Nobody agrees with them. The Republicans are in terrible political shape.
And before this, they were in good political shape. Why they snatched victory -- defeat from the jaws of victory, I don't know.
TANTAROS: The good news --
BECKEL: But here it is, you're going to have a deal, as we predicted what happened. It will happen by Monday or Tuesday. It's going to lift the debt ceiling, probably a little longer than six weeks.
And the way you talk about taxes -- tax reform is something the Democrats desperately need. So, I think you're going to find they want to go into those negotiations.
PERINO: No, that's a huge bill to move. I don't think --
BECKEL: No, no, they'll do it in pieces. I don't think they'll do it all at one time. But the entitlement piece is something that will get done. Everybody's sort of ignored the fact that Obama said to change the formulation for Social Security, which saves hundreds of billions of dollars.
I think if I were the Republicans, I'd grab that one right away, and said, look, you've already said. But let's put it this way -- Obama held firm and it was a good thing he did and politically he came out of this thing in very good shape.
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TANTAROS: I mean, you would concede we're a long way away from 2014, and one of the --
BECKEL: Oh, yes.
TANTAROS: -- arguments I made is, OK, we're in this predicament now, Republicans. I think people have short-term memories. I don't think this is going to matter very much. I mean, you're smiling now, Bob, I don't think you'll be smiling for long.
BECKEL: No, listen, this campaign business, I buy into -- Dana made this point over ands over. The Senate for the Democrats is a terrible, terrible situation because our incumbents are up in red states. Open seats are Republican and are going Republican. In the House, the House will lose some seats only because frankly it's time for some nuts on the right to get beaten and they will get beaten.
KILMEADE: My point is, it's not over. If you remember going up to the Ted Cruz, 21-hour, semi-filibuster --
BECKEL: Teddy, Teddy.
KILMEADE: -- he goes and speaks for that amount of time. If you talk to John Boehner the week before, it was going to get raised without a problem and they got to really battle it on the debt ceiling increase, talking about the C.R. passage. I think they're a long way from being done because this deal is out. It's leaked out it now let's see if there's going to be some pushback. The same thing that brought Ted Cruz to the floor, there's going to be a pushback about the possibility of raising the debt ceiling and not getting enough for it.
BECKEL: But you need to have something, Brian, to push with. You had nothing. It's over. It's done. It's only a question of writing the details.
GUILFOYLE: All right.
KILMEADE: And your feeling is they don't have anything to push because the polls are only moving against Republicans?
BECKEL: It's -- not only that but their own supporters are calling, particularly businesspeople saying, are you kidding me? Let's get over this. Let's get over this.
GUILFOYLE: Well, let's talk about somebody who was in the center of all this, the middle of the discussion, is Ted Cruz. And here's Krauthammer saying, where is Ted Cruz now?
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CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, can Cruz show us how it was a success? What was his end game? What was his -- look, everybody was excited. It was a great filibuster, wonderful speech. What exactly -- how exactly was he going to achieve abolition of ObamaCare? Explain that to me. Has he ever explained it? And where is he now?
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GUILFOYLE: OK. So, what's the fallout for Ted Cruz?
PERINO: Well, one of the things -- one of the places where he was today was at the Value Voter Summit. Senator Ted Cruz was there and he gets heckled by the left. If you're on the right and you're Ted Cruz, you probably think you're not doing enough to raise the ire of people if you're not getting heckled. He handled that very well.
What they will tell you is sometimes the status quo needs to be shaken up. But I -- to Krauthammer's point, to what end, then, is the shake-up? I mean, if you end up winning in 2014, maybe everybody looks back and go, wow, that was brilliant.
GUILFOYLE: That was pivotal moment.
PERINO: But I also think on the polling thing, yes, that poll, the NBC/"Wall Street Journal" poll was really bad for Republicans, but for the last two days, we've been talking about "The A.P." poll that showed President Obama down to 37 percent approval.
TANTAROS: Right.
PERINO: So, I think the polls cut both ways. And we're going to talk in the next block about it.
GUILFOYLE: It's really --
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BECKEL: Can I just say one thing about my new friend, best friend, Teddy Cruz, is that I think he come out of this smelling really well. Again, I want to reiterate my point that he ought to be the Republican nominee for president in 2016. I endorse him personally.
GUILFOYLE: I know, here we go.
BECKEL: And I think that maybe he should put Michele Bachmann on the ticket with him and then the Republicans --
GUILFOYLE: Quit living on fantasy island with Mr. Roark, Bob, it's not happening.
TANTAROS: He did accomplish two very important things.
BECKEL: What?
TANTAROS: I know, Bob, you're gloating. However, ObamaCare is not going away. The president's poll numbers have slid as well. Republicans, I will concede -- here's what he did. He put Republicans on record as being against ObamaCare, officially. That is one good thing.
Number two, for Ted Cruz, personally, he has burnished his credentials as a leader, as someone who's opposing Obama care. If he decides to run in 2016, there will be no question where he stands.
BECKEL: How can you --
GUILFOYLE: Those things change, Bob. At least he showed himself to be a man of substance and character that's not afraid to stand on principle and show some integrity and not just cave because it's politically expedient.
BECKEL: I think. Go ahead.
KILMEADE: Well, I mean, what do I think about this whole thing? I think it is three, four, five months down the line. Let's see what comes out to raise both debt ceilings. And then see what happens four or five months from now.
What I'm amazed at is the short-term memory of most people, because we're in the middle. We're caught up in it. Everywhere we go and people in the halls, people in the bathroom, they're talking about it. For the most part --
GUILFOYLE: What?
PERINO: What?
KILMEADE: I talk to people a lot in the bathroom --
BECKEL: What's his name from Idaho?
KILMEADE: No, I don't have a wide stance.
GUILFOYLE: Not like that.
KILMEADE: Thank you. What I'm trying to say is people have short- term memory. If things can get on track, people will forget who won who lost.
PERINO: I have a point to make and then we've got to wrap. Bob, I'm going to suggest you should come up with a different nickname for Ted Cruz, because there's the great liberal Senator Ted Kennedy is known as Teddy. So, I just get a little friendly advice.
BECKEL: I admire both of them.
PERINO: I think you should have a different nickname for Cruz.
GUILFOYLE: You've got schooled by Dana.
All right. Straight ahead on "The Five", should we get rid of everyone in Washington? Well, a new poll says a lot of Americans like the idea. We're going to break down the numbers.
And a little later, Megyn Kelly is stopping by for some madness here. We've started the week on her show. And she's wrapping up the week on ours. Don't miss it.
BECKEL: And we're going to ask the same question.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it and stick your head out and yell, "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!"
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TANTAROS: Well, that was the famous 1976 movie "Network." And more than 35 years later, not much is changed. Americans are fed up.
Look at this, a new "A.P." poll. President Obama isn't trusted on most major issues. And the anti-D.C. mood doesn't stop there. An NBC/"Wall Street Journal" poll says 60 percent want every member of Congress booted out of there. And 78 percent think the country is headed in the wrong direction.
So what's the root of all this? In a country founded on the idea of liberty and freedom, 88 percent think the government runs the people and only 8 percent think the people run the government.
So, Kimberly, throw all the bums out. I do think there is --
GUILFOYLE: Can I fix the bums?
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TANTAROS: You can fix the bums. I think people aren't following this as closely as -- on his iPad right now --
KILMEADE: I want to make sure you didn't --
BECKEL: Going back to college, online, for politics 101.
GUILFOYLE: So, there's a mood obviously of discontent and distrust. But I also have to say, you know, you elected this president, this administration. So it's a little bit of, what, buyer's remorse? People are upset? You're upset with the whole mix.
So do something about it the next time you have the ability to exercise your vote. That's what I think.
BECKEL: Did you really just say that?
GUILFOYLE: Yes, I did.
TANTAROS: Can I ask you a question on polling? Bob, isn't the issue, even though most people see a problem with Congress and Washington, D.C., they don't apply it to their own personal member of Congress?
BECKEL: No. I was just about to say something. This time, for all the years I've done polling, that's always been the case, where they separate out -- they're mad at Congress but they love their member of Congress.
This time around, not only in this poll, but in individual polls, you see them from around the country, what were safe Democratic seats and safe Republican seats are beginning to erode in the face of all this.
Now, it may be short-term memory and it will fall back in by next year, it's a long time. But I have never in all the years I've done politics, I've never seen numbers like this. It will tell you how bad it is.
But Obama yesterday, Obama's been taking hits for months, but this is about -- but this is about overall the Congress both Democrats and Republicans. I mean, to be down at 9 percent. Hell, the guy who used to break into my house would do better than that.
GUILFOYLE: But this has been coming for a long time, Bob, and most specifically recently, since Obama's been president.
BECKEL: No, not specifically. Since they closed the government down.
GUILFOYLE: I'm just telling you, because there hasn't been ability to work together. There hasn't been a president who's acted like Reagan who would get both sides to agree. Or even Clinton who had his moments of doing that as well.
TANTAROS: So what can the parties do to start winning some curry with the American people?
PERINO: I don't know. One of my favorite statistic from last year's election season was the Gallup Poll showed the fewest number of people identified with either party in the history of the Gallup Poll was like around 40 percent of people, 60 percent of people say that they aren't -- they don't label themselves as with any party. So, Republicans in this 48- hour fight, yes, maybe it looks a little bad.
But for both parties going forward, maybe there are some more undecided voters that are going to be available, especially younger voters. But older voters I think are starting to -- there's going to be a concern that entitlement reform will mean smaller benefits for them and that's when you'll see Democrats probably take up some of those votes.
TANTAROS: Brian Kilmeade, I conducted an internal, informal poll here at the FOX News Channel. You have very high approval ratings.
KILMEADE: Thank you very much.
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BECKEL: You didn't poll me.
GUILFOYLE: Did you pay her?
KILMEADE: No, I want her to finish. Don't interrupt here.
TANTAROS: Can I play a montage of the president? Do you think that maybe the president talking about all these other issues instead of the most important topics of the day, take a listen and the reason why --
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The Cambridge police acted stupidly. I don't know what's in Rush Limbaugh's heart.
The reason I called Ms. Fluke is because I thought about Malia and Sasha.
When Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son.
If I were the owner of the team and I knew that there was a name of my team, even if it had a storied history that was offending a sizable group of people, I'd think -- I'd think about changing it.
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TANTAROS: Yes, we couldn't poll the footage him doing his ESPN brackets.
KILMEADE: He does every year. You had four years to choose from.
TANTAROS: Maybe this is the reason. He wants to talk about pop culture stuff, but not about the real issues?
KILMEADE: First, I think the New York Giants should change their name because tall people are getting upset they're named after the Giants, who are 0-6. But here's the thing about the weighing on the -- point the reference the Washington Redskins --
GUILFOYLE: Right, we got it.
KILMEADE: Here's the thing, the president of the United States weighs in on a lot of things. But the American people have a lot of opinions. They put people in office and they say do exactly what you got elected to do.
And when people don't compromise, we get mad at legislatures. We say, why aren't they compromising? Really?
But you also sent them up there to do exactly what they said they were going to do.
Bob Beckel will never do anything that Ted Cruz wants him to do. So, they're not going to give in next to each other . So, there's no compromise. So, the people who put them in office have no right to be mad at their legislators if they don't budge on anything.
BECKEL: I would sit down --
KILMEADE: But you would never agree with anything.
BECKEL: Can I just make a point here --
GUILFOYLE: You don't listen to our producer, let alone Ted Cruz.
BECKEL: In this poll data here, it used to be, we figured 40 percent in campaigns, 40 percent would be Republican, 40 percent Democrat, 20 percent would be persuadable.
That number now has fallen down into the mid-20s for both Democrats and Republicans. People are Republicans and Democrats, they register that way. But I'll tell you, this country is in more state of flux politically with voters than we've ever seen it before. And nothing but nothing's going to surprise me next time.
TANTAROS: Kimberly, could it be also the stories we heard this week about the government not willing to pay death benefits to military members?
GUILFOYLE: Very disturbing.
TANTAROS: Talking about sending your member of Congress to do what's required. One of the things that's required is take care of our men and women in uniform. A number of us, members of Congress, with calling, TV personality, are calling for Chuck Hagel, the Department of Defense secretary, to resign. Take a listen.
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REP. DUNCAN HUNTER (R), CALIFORNIA: The Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel should have said get this done, we're not going to stand for it. I think Chuck Hagel needs to think about offering his resignation over this.
COL. DAVID HUNT: People, Hagel should be fired, and this needs to be corrected immediately.
BILL O'REILLY, FOX NEWS HOST: Hagel, Carney, all of them, go. You don't want to serve the people, go. You can make a lot of money in the private sector. You know, I'm tired of this.
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TANTAROS: So, you think this is the reason for frustration? Because nobody is held accountable?
GUIFOLYLE: Yes, but, I mean, think about it, for good reason, people are upset. It's one of the most shameful things that come out of this and have this kind of outcome where we're not honoring the military, we're shaming the veterans. It's despicable behavior. It's not something I ever thought I'd see in this country. And that's what I'm trying to say, in terms of the overall viewpoint of American's dissatisfaction with government, with Congress, with the House, with the Senate, with the presidency.
You know, it's systemic. It comes down from the top. I would just like to see some leadership. To say, let me settle this, let me work this out and let me make the decision as commander in chief about what services we're going to provide.
KILMEADE: The lack of leadership, we're showing you a series of clips. Who cares what he thinks about the Redskins. Who cares what he thinks about these domestic cases that should be debated elsewhere.
Number two, I think it's important to realize that you should get elected not being afraid to not get elected. If you get elected and you do what you're supposed to be doing, you don't get elected, go sleep all at night. This is not a $5 trillion job.
BECKEL: With all due respect to Bill O'Reilly, our colleague here, for O'Reilly -- Chuck Hagel's a highly decorated veteran. He knows what he's doing. If O'Reilly wants to put on the uniform and go out and stand watch some place, fine.
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KILMEADE: Because you were a hero and in your 20s, it makes you a great secretary of defense in your 60s? Listen, show some leadership.
BECKEL: Are you telling me --
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BECKEL: I could understand get rid of John Tower because he was a drunk, but this --
KILMEADE: What are you talking about? Just stand up and show some leadership, it's not acceptable.
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TANTAROS: But I think the point is, Dana no heads rolled on anything, from Benghazi to the IRS. No one's held accountable anywhere and people want answers.
PERINO: I think asking for Hagel's resignation was extreme. Nobody should use the military as pawns. There was a mistake that was made. People worked to correct it.
I think that -- Republicans need to stop continuing to ask for things that are never, ever going to happen.
BECKEL: Perino for president.
PERINO: I think asking for his resignation is a little too much. I'm not saying I'm the biggest Chuck Hagel fan but, come on, we've made our point. Let's move on and not use the military as a pawn.
BECKEL: We've got to go.
GUILFOYLE: Bob's in love with you now.
TANTAROS: Bob can be your campaign manager.
BECKEL: Yes, there's an idea.
TANTAROS: Don't go anywhere. When we come back, Megyn Kelly will be right here. Yes, "THE KELLY FILE" debuted on Monday. It has been a great week for her.
She'll tell us all about it. We'll get into some of the news of the day, and then we'll have some fun stuff with Ms. Kelly. So don't miss that. We're coming right back.
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MEGYN KELLY, THE KELLY FILE: Really good.
PERINO: All right. Welcome back to "The Five". We are happy, now we're joined at the hip to a woman everyone is talking about this week. Her hit show "THE KELLY FILE" debuted Monday. She's been crushing her competition.
"The Five" joined her on Monday night. And we are glad she's here with us right now on "The Five".
Welcome. Welcome to "The Five".
KELLY: Good to be here.
PERINO: So, you've had a great week.
KELLY: It's been exciting. It's been fun. I have to say.
And thank you, guys -- not you -- but the rest of you for coming on, helping me on Monday night, on our big launch night.
PERINO: It was great.
Can we get your take on the two things we've been talking about so far, the government shutdown? You had, in particular, on "THE KELLY FILE", the military benefit piece that you broke and it got solved this week. It must feel good.
KELLY: It does feel good. I was talking to somebody this week, saying, look, it's not that we're doing an opinion show at 9:00 p.m. but that one is a no brainer, right? There's no controversy. Democrats and Republicans saying, get it fixed, get it fixed. Stop with your nonsense. There are grieving families who are not going to get to go to Dover. So get off your high horse and cut a check, right?
Nobody wants to hear this nonsense about Congress says, what the DOJ said they didn't cover it. Like, shut up, right?
So that is what we broke on Wednesday night with Duncan Hunter. And he was the guy -- he's done three tours of duty and he's U.S. congressman. He came out and said, this is outrageous. We saw this coming. We tried to fix it. We sent it over to the Pentagon and the Pentagon decides on its own, you didn't.
No one calls up and says, hey, send us something else. They just let it lie. And it wasn't until the press got a hold of it.
BECKEL: In a lot of ways, I think that precipitated this resolution coming into place now. That one story this week was bad enough and these elected members began to think, what else is going to be out there? Let's get it done so there's no more horror stories.
And nobody won on that. Republicans didn't win. Obama certainly didn't win, but it's certainly was something that would seem like a -- isn't it amazing how many things seem like no brainers that happened and then you say, gee, that was a no brainer.
KELLY: Let me ask you this, Bob, because I'm curious about this. You were talking about Hagel. And, you know, I don't know if this is on Hagel or is not on Hagel. Certainly, the Pentagon could have done more than it did.
The thing that really stung me was he went to Dover for the first time in his seven months as secretary of defense on Tuesday. So, that video of him standing there while the bodies are coming in, he'd never been before, and 113 of them have come home during his tenure.
So, he goes for these five in the middle of this?
BECKEL: It's not surprising. Politicians by nature when they make a big mistake this tend to try to fix it really fast. When they're fixed, it's so obviously political, it doesn't work for them.
KELLY: It makes you think, do they think we're stupid?
BECKEL: Yes, sure.
TANTAROS: We just went through polling that shows a dissatisfaction with both parties. You kicked off your show on Monday with Senator Ted Cruz, like him or hate him, he's standing for what he believes in.
How are your viewers taking the shutdown story? Do they blame both parties? What are you hearing?
KELLY: I'm hearing a lot of people are applauding Senator Cruz for standing on principle. I mean, I think I get what you said about how, look, this isn't working out well for the Republicans. I think the facts show that, right? So that's not that controversy to say that.
But I think Senator Cruz and others like him were sent to the Congress to do exactly what he's doing -- to stand on principle, to buck the establishment, to stand against ObamaCare, which -- let's face it, from the time it was passed, has never had the majority support of the American people.
This is something that was rammed down their throats by a vote. Remember, they had the 60 votes in the Senate and then they didn't and they couldn't get it and they changed the procedural rules and forced it through? And it's one-sixth of the economy and a lot of people in this country hate it.
BECKEL: Yes, but it's going to --
KELLY: It's going to help who don't have health care, the question is whether it's going to help people who already do have health care.
BECKEL: One second here --
KILMEADE: The main story, doesn't work. You can't even get it --
BECKEL: Wait a second. When Teddy Cruz began to do that, right, ever since then, ObamaCare has increased in popularity, not just in one poll but four. In the last week, it's gone up and it's fairly closed to those who find it unfavorable.
Now, why is that? Two reasons. One, I don't think they knew anything about it before. They got a little education of this.
And, secondly, the idea of using something like that as a political ploy, as the Tea Party people have done, is just not acceptable.
KELLY: But is it a political ploy or is it they really hate it and they want it gone?
BECKEL: Who's day?
KELLY: Small government conservatives --
BECKEL: Small party conservative, yes, but is it worth shutting down the whole government and putting the whole faith and credibility of the United States --
GUILFOYLE: Bob, you're acting like they're just doing it --
BECKEL: I think those people are absolute wing nuts --
GUILFOYLE: But is there support, right, and that's what they're standing on principle from their constituents that do not like it, that do not want it, don't think that we can afford, that it is deeply flawed, it passed, people didn't read it and know what the impact was going to be, and then they should do their job. They shouldn't get their paycheck if they're not --
BECKEL: We come back to this, it's the law of the land. There are other ways to do it. You got to win elections.
TANTAROS: But don't you think the way they framed it, defunding, taking away, removing money. I think they could have done it differently and again, they were united on it.
KILMEADE: They went from funding to delay and debt and deficit.
TANTAROS: They were all over the map. They didn't have a --
KELLY: I think Senator Cruz is new. I mean, he's a neophyte legislator. I think he would cop to that.
He spent his life practicing law. He was solicitor general for the state of Texas, which is the top appellate arguer. And the guy was great. I mean, he was very effective. He's arguing before the U.S. Supreme Court.
And he came here saying, you know, it's sort of "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington." I'm not a career politician. I'm just here to tell you what I stand for. Let the chips fall where they may and now they're falling.
KILMEADE: If you go on Wikipedia, Ted Cruz, the break of his career was being your first guest.
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KELLY: Can I tell you something, my first question on my first show to my first guest was, with Ted Cruz, what's it like to be the most hated man in America? Because we started with all these sound bites.
(CROSSTALK)
KELLY: Right. Sorry. People calling him the devil.
Let me just tell you, in the mainstream media, that got picked up like nothing else. Like, you know, she must hate him. Look what she said to him.
It's been really interesting to me how people who have their own agenda want to spin. That was asked in good spirit. It was right after the sound bite. Amazing what the agendas are.
BECKEL: Probably was the last one of his career right there.
PERINO: We've got some breaking news. We're learning there some breaking news, we're going to check in with Shepard Smith at the FOX News.
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KILMEADE: All right, "The Five" is back with Megyn Kelly.
Notice there were five fingers, Bolling to Beckel. She's the host of "THE KELLY FILE", which airs at 9:00 Eastern Time whether you like it or not.
The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded today to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. An organization, that's the group trying to dismantle the chemical weapons that Syria has.
But a lot of people, including the wondering if it was going to this wonderful 16-year-old Malala Yousafzai, she is the 16-year-old who was shot last year by the Taliban for speak out on behalf of little girls. Malala is in the United States right now, telling her story. Listen to her response on what she would do if the Taliban tried to shoot her again.
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MALALA YOUSAFAZAI, ACTIVIST: I used to think that the Taliban would come and he would just kill me. But then I said, if he comes, what would you do, Malala? Then I would reply to myself, Malala, just take a shoe and hit him.
But then I said -- but then I said, if you hit the Taliban with your shoe, then there will be no difference between you and the Taliban. You must not treat others with that cruelty and that much harshly. You must fight other might go to peace and dialogue and communication.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KILMEADE: She was shot in the face last year, woke up six days later, was fixed, was saved in Pakistan, brought to Britain, and now is still fighting, Megyn.
How could she be runner up to any human being?
KELLY: I don't know. But doesn't that clip make you want to be a better person?
GUILFOYLE: Yes, it does. It's really moving.
KELLY: It makes you want to be a better person. Makes you want to try harder and improve the country and improve your relationships and be more like her. And so I don't really give two figs whether she gets this prize or not, I don't think people get two figs. I mean, you know, it's got sort of a -- there's been an interesting list of people who have gotten it, all right?
She inspired people around the world in a way that the recipient organization hasn't. I'm not saying their efforts are not worthy. But her -- her message and her strength are what matters. And she's made her point.
BECKEL: You know, Brian, I've been in Afghanistan three types I guess over the years. And I had -- the idea of standing up to the Taliban, the courage that takes.
KILMEADE: After getting shot.
BECKEL: Yes, after getting shot. The way they treat girls and women in Afghanistan is outrageous, and yet to be willing to stand up to that. And then say, I'd be willing to forgive.
KILMEADE: I want everyone to weigh on this. Kimberly?
GUILFOYLE: What she's accomplished I think is so great compared to what, you know, most people accomplish in a lifetime. The message and the way she delivers it. It reminds you of leaders like MLK or Gandhi. Really motivates people.
TANTAROS: When you see D.C. so divided on these issues of government funding and you look at the issue of radical Islam, both parties share a common enemy and it's upsetting they can't come together on the prosecution of women that radical Islam does and all these other groups that the Democrats and Republicans should be united on and united on how awful and intolerant radical Islam is instead of making apologies for it.
KILMEADE: Dana?
PERINO: Pattern of big organizations like "Time" magazine, remember, they can't name a person, they have to name the protester. The Nobel Peace Prize is going to the chemical weapons watchdog office. Rather than something aspirational like President Obama's win of the --
KILMEADE: And every kid in the world would be forced to read about this. She would have gotten more publicity --
KELLY: She's going to get a lot of publicity.
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KELLY: On that front, Diane Sawyer had an exclusive interview with her and that's going to air -- Diane Sawyer's coming on our show tonight to preview it. The clips, I mean, you'll get chips. You will get chills.
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BECKEL: Brian, we'll try to get out of here on time. You know what I mean.
KILMEADE: You know, I watched your show.
Quick break now, Megyn is not going anywhere. Would women rather spend time with their girlfriends or their husbands or their boyfriends? We have the surprising results by a great organization. Patty Power.
GUILFOYLE: I love Patty Power.
KILMEADE: We'll see what the ladies think about that, when "The Five" comes. Also, we'll try to weigh in if we can get a word in it.
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BECKEL: Once again, I have no idea what that music is.
Welcome back to "The Five".
A new study says women would spend more time with their girlfriends over their own husbands. Big deal.
A third say it's easier to talk about serious issues with their friends. A quarter think their friends are the ones who know them really well, as opposed to their husbands and boyfriends.
Kimberly, let me start -- let the four women here start and then we'll bring up the droppings.
GUILFOYLE: That's it?
KILMEADE: Do you believe it?
GUILFOYLE: I think so. I think so. Because, you know, for me I get along very well with my girlfriends. I find very easy to speak to.
They give very good advice. They're trustworthy. You can't go wrong.
Men, they don't understand. Then they say the wrong thing. Then you get irritated and you're like, why did I even try to talk to you to begin with.
KILMEADE: Do you have somebody in mind?
GUILFOYLE: Lots.
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BECKEL: Her five husbands.
KELLY: Ooh.
BECKEL: You. Do you think that's true?
TANTAROS: I think it can be true. I don't necessarily find it true. I enjoy the time with my beau, but I also enjoy -- I think there's nothing better when you get with your best girlfriend or sister and you have a drink and you're bonding. I do think that's magical.
And sometimes guys really don't want to talk about shoes and gossip and that kind of stuff.
KILMEADE: Are you kidding?
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BECKEL: We're running out of time for Megyn.
KELLY: I don't want to be with your husband and don't talk to him, you married the wrong guy. I marry the right guy and I love him. He's first -- first opinion I want, first feedback I want.
But there is something different when you have a drink with your girlfriends and go to a different place, there's a different energy to it. So I understand what they're saying.
By the way, number one favorite woman, Judge Judy who's coming on my show tonight, God bless her. I'm so excited.
GUILFOYLE: She gives you shivers.
KELLY: I can't wait to be her friend.
PERINO: I don't think I have any girlfriends in New York.
GUILFOYLE: What are we? Hello!
KELLY: We have socialized many times.
GUILFOYLE: Why do you say that?
PERINO: With our husbands.
KILMEADE: This is not --
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PERINO: I don't have any friends.
GUILFOYLE: Dana, remember when you said we were friends?
BECKEL: Do you want to say something?
KILMEADE: Yes. I want to say something.
BECKEL: Yes.
KILMEADE: I want to say something. There's also a part of this study that says women would rather be alone than anybody else. So you are to pick girlfriends to being alone to being with a guy. According to Patty Power, the number one polling place in all the world.
BECKEL: I got to get out of here. There's work cost of shoes under this table right now with the exception of Brian and mine.
GUILFOYLE: We can solve the deficit.
BECKEL: Thanks to Megyn for joining us. Please come back again. Make sure you watch Megyn tonight on "THE KELLY FILE", 9:00 p.m. Eastern.
"One More Thing" is up next.
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GUILFOYLE: All right. It's time for "One More Thing". It's going to be a quickie.
First off I have a video and it's called --
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GUILFOYLE: I'm going. Just play the video. Is it real or fake?
KILMEADE: Who is she talking about?
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GUILFOYLE: This viral sensation.
All right. So you see this as he's catching the knives but now it's a big deal as to whether or not it's fake. Take a look and decide for yourself. People are dissecting it frame by frame and you see the look on her face.
PERINO: They try to sell this one more thing to me and I didn't take it.
GUILFOYLE: Well, you know, I'm an easy sell.
All right. Andrea, you're up. Andrea's squinting.
KILMEADE: A quickie --
BECKEL: Let's go!
TANTAROS: All right.
Frank Caliendo, comedian, was on "FOX & FRIENDS" this morning. Very funny. Check it out.
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FRANK CALIENDO, COMEDIAN: Ask a question to someone who doesn't want to answer, they just say stuff that doesn't relatify to what you're talking about. I was one of those guys. I'm a former president, man. What I would do is create a law. No stalemates.
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CALIENDO: That's a good one, man.
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PERINO: I miss him so much.
(CROSSTALK)
BECKEL: Go ahead.
PERINO: I am next? OK. So I usually don't have anything to promote and I have no friends. Tonight, I'm promoting this. Gutfeld is not here because he's hosting "O'REILLY". I predict something hilarious is going to happen. You're not going to want to miss it.
I'm on "Fox & Friends" tomorrow morning. And then a dream come true. On Sunday, I'm going to be on Chris Wallace's show with somebody --
BECKEL: Promote some more.
PERINO: -- with George Will who I used to plan my Sunday church around so I could see him on TV. And I might faint.
GUILFOYLE: Maybe he'll be your friend.
BECKEL: Make it quick, Brian. Make it quick. Let's go.
KILMEADE: Lance Armstrong and Sheryl Crow used to date, at which time according to this book, that Sheryl Crow witnessed him doping and shooting up and doing all this stuff.
GUILFOYLE: And didn't say anything.
KILMEADE: But now she evidently gave it up to the feds. And goes to show you if you're going to date someone famous, don't break up with them.
BECKEL: Real fast, first of all, let me say I don't have anything to promote. A British scientist -- this is actually serious -- come up with, they think beginning for a cure for Alzheimer's, one of the most devastating diseases we have in this world. So, having said that, it's been a pleasure.
Brian, nice having you here, buddy.
KILMEADE: Thanks for having me.
GUILFOYLE: That's it for us "Five." Thanks for watching. We'll see you on Monday. Have a great weekend everybody.
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