October brings dueling apocalypses; Beckel and Krauthammer finally agree on something

As government slims down, ObamaCare opens


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 1, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling and she once kicked a baby panda for making eye contact -- it's Dana Perino. She's back.

It's 5 o'clock, New York City, as if that matters.


GUTFELD: Welcome to the world of dueling apocalypses. With the government shutdown and arrival of ObamaCare, it's like forcing your eyes to watch two different disaster movies at once. One, though, is just a commotion, the other is a calamity.

What's the goal of the shutdown? To force Obama to cop to two things, you granted delays to the powerful, not to the weak, putting off the employer mandate but not the individual. It's like telling passengers to board a boat but the crew is taking a sturdier craft. It's a little creepy.

And weren't our leaders supposed to receive the same health care as the rest of us? Not anymore. That provision got stripped out.

So, go ahead and blame the right all you want. But with Obama, the law has been changed more times than a baby with Montezuma's revenge.

But the real disaster is ObamaCare. The president dismisses it all as just glitches but a glitch is just a problem that happens to someone else.

It's what a customer service rep says when it's your service that goes out during the Super Bowl, not theirs. A glitch is your problem.

Right now, signing up for ObamaCare is so glitch-ridden, success is met with surprise. Registering for it is like buying a ticket for the Hindenburg as the fiery egg tilts downward.

But Obama is lucky the focus is on the shutdown and not this sham, for he created an industry now that exists above and beyond the confines of competition. To paraphrase an astronaut, ObamaCare isn't just one small step for socialism. It's a giant leap for misery.

So, Bob, you must be excited. This is the first day of a new entitlement, a new program, a new arm of bureaucracy. You should be out on the streets marching perhaps half-naked.


BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: You wouldn't want that. And also, first of all, ObamaCare, I need it.

The first thing I would say is that if you wanted to step on your messenger, you couldn't figure out a better way to do it than have the government shut down the day you have ObamaCare. But the reports are in, and although you have (INAUDIBLE) a little bit here, a little bit there, much more -- many more people signed up, there were very few glitches.

They had over a million people in California. They had over 34,000 in Kentucky that signed up. Poor people are still in line to get ObamaCare.

GUTFELD: Hmm, what do you think, A.T.?

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Well, the good news for Republicans is that there's going to be plenty more negative ObamaCare headlines going forward, from now until this goes away, which will be likely never.

So I think Bob is downplaying some of these glitches. I think you're going to see when people start to sign up that this really isn't a good deal. People are not getting what they think they're going to, which is free health care.

So I do think Republicans have one job to do going forward, and that is they need to make sure that with every negative headline, they are the ones that can say, we tried to stop this at some point. I wasn't for a government shutdown, but I think there's only one option that they have going forward, and that is to say -- well, we tried to shut down the government to change this law, when people get really angry and disgusted and we turn into a third world country, they can go on record and say, we tried to slow it town and stop it. It's the only way they can message, I think, the shutdown.

GUTFELD: What do you think, E.B.?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: You know -- OK, so, I think Ted Cruz was smart and the Tea Party was smart. They fought ObamaCare, they fought it all the way to the point where the government shutdown because of them.

But he -- let's -- but I've always been someone who says put your money where your mouth is. And it's time now for Republicans, including the Tea Party, to put your money where your mouth is. You did your thing.

Now, before you blow it for 2014, let the -- the figure some way to get the government back open again, even if it means letting ObamaCare go through. Let them own it. Let the Dems own it. Call it demo care, do whatever you want. But don't lose 2014, don't lose sight of the goal.

Get some real change in D.C., and that means getting the government back open and let them take the heat.

What do I mean by put your money where your mouth is? If it's so bad, if ObamaCare is so bad as all of us have predicted, it will. It will fall in upon itself. It will be bad for the average person.

GUTFELD: That's what we're saying for the last two weeks, Eric.

BOLLING: Right. You had to fight it, Greg. You had to put up a fight. You had to shut the government down. You had --

BECKEL: No, you did not.

BOLLING: Yes, you did. Yes, you did. You call -- now you own -- now you let them own it. You said, we did our best, we tried. We tried to -- we warned you. Now, it's yours.

GUTFELD: Let me -- let's get Dana in on this, because you were -- you've been gone for quite some time.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: It was a few days, yes.

GUTFELD: Yes, it was.

PERINO: True, I missed you all terribly.

GUTFELD: Yes. And the surgery went well.


GUTFELD: I'm joking. I don't know why I said that.

Where is this going?

PERINO: Oh, my God.

OK, ObamaCare continues, but we already knew that. We've known that from the beginning.

So, here's the thing about putting your money where your mouth is. I think it's a great point because guess what, the Democrats had their best fund-raising day ever yesterday. Yesterday.

So, when you talk about 2014 and winning elections, we're already in the hole. So, the echo chamber of the defund folks, it was loud. I admired a lot of it and I liked the focus.

But this is what I want to know. Where are we going? I'll follow. I just want to know, OK, what is the end-game?

I think if the House were to pass a continuing resolution with one attachment that all it would have to say is, hereby, the government must adhere to whatever else the public has to adhere to, then I think they would pass it. Why are you looking at me like that? I didn't --

BECKEL: If they had done that yesterday, it would have made sense.

But it's going to look like a loss now.

Can I just make one point? They actually have a conference -- that was one of the gambits of the Tea Party people. On March 21st, 2013, the House adopted the GOP's fiscal 2014 budget. The House adopted the Republican budget. And then on March 23rd, the Senate Democrats passed their budget.

For 17 times and 166 days the Democrats have asked the Republicans to go to conference on the budget which would have avoided all this and the Republicans said no. That's all you need to know.

GUTFELD: So, basically, Obama has been the king of compromise through all of this whole thing, Andrea.

TANTAROS: Hold on. Hold on. Yes, he has been -- so involved, too.

So kind to the Republicans.

I don't know if that's exactly true about Republicans and --

BECKEL: Why do you say it's not exactly true?

TANTAROS: Because today -- because today the Democrats said no to actually going to conference.

BECKEL: Well, that was on that ridiculous C.R. I'm talking about the budget of the entire United States. If they would have gone to budget, they would have resolved it.

TANTAROS: Wait a minute, now, the Democrats want a budget? The Democratic Party that took how many years to actually introduce and pass a budget?

BOLLING: Five years.

BECKEL: Excuse me.

TANTAROS: I will say -- I will say that John Boehner I think had a great message last night, which was delaying the individual mandate. If you're going to delay it for businesses, delay it for everybody. But I've argued from day one that the strongest one is the one Dana made. And that is make Congress do what everybody else has to do. Run on those carve- outs. Level the playing field.

The problem is, though, Greg, there's a lot of Republicans that don't want that either.


TANTAROS: There's a Vitter amendment. There's a Ross amendment in the House of Representatives. Even Republicans behind the scenes, they want their special goodies as well. That's the dirty little secret I think a lot of people don't realize.

BECKEL: The Republicans are seething at each other now and they're blaming the Tea Party people. And -- listen, these numbers by the way were from --

BOLLING: But the --

BECKEL: Wait one second. If you can consider this -- you can't make chicken crap out of chicken salad out of this stuff.

You have lost this round. You might as well accept the message and do what the best -- the next best thing you can do is, which is to get this C.R. passed cleanly, get a debt ceiling and let's talk about having a real serious conference which the Democrats have asked for, for 166 days, and the Republicans have refused.

BOLLING: I agree with you if you stop right now and say, this is it!

Well, the Republicans lost.

You're right. They did, they lost this round.

Unless you turn it around and say, OK, we put up the fight, we fought the good fight. Now it's your turn. Take a look and see how this is, let's look at it in a year. And a year from now we're going to be going into the midterm elections. If it's working, you know what, they'll lose any way.

BECKEL: So, why go through this whole hassle of closing down the government?

BOLLING: Because you had to, because here's what's going to end up likely happening, health premiums are going up. Young men, who are really the foundation of ObamaCare, aren't going to sign up, because it will be cheaper for them to take the $95 penalty not to sign up. Premiums are going to explode and the whole system is going to collapse on itself. Then you go into 2014 and go, we told you.

PERINO: Not to mention health care standards basically decline so much that only the very wealthy are able to pay out of pocket for all the great care and surgeries and things like that.

BECKEL: That's pretty true now.

GUTFELD: I just want to throw it to one of my favorite parts about the talk today in the Rose Garden. This was President Obama talking about the glitch and he makes -- glitches, and he makes an interesting comparison.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Just a couple of weeks ago, Apple rolled out a new mobile operating system, and within days, they found a glitch. So they fixed it. I don't remember anybody suggesting Apple should stop selling iPhones or iPads or threatening to shut down the company if they didn't.

That's not how we do things in America. We don't actively root for failure. We get to work. We make things happen. We make them better. We keep going.


GUTFELD: So, just to be clear, he's comparing ObamaCare to a product in which people slept overnight in front, thousands, millions of people wait for this amazing product, they want this product, they're aware of the product.

Nobody is aware of what's going on with ObamaCare. Nobody wants it.

How can he make that comparison?

BECKEL: To compare it to some ridiculous little machine out of Apple, to compare health care for the entire country, is ridiculous.

PERINO: He did that.

BECKEL: I know. That's what I'm saying. Apple is bupkis compared to this.

GUTFELD: No. It's one of the most successful companies of all time.

BECKEL: I don't care. I don't understand those people stand for five days to get it.

BOLLING: Apple is the exact opposite of ObamaCare.


BOLLING: One is a capitalist --

BECKEL: I don't want to scare you with some of these headlines around the country. Obama enrollment is beating expectations. Young men are beating expectations in every state that checked so far.

BOLLING: I will -- Bob --

BECKEL: Let them fail. If socialism is going to fail --


BOLLING: If you're a 28-year-old young healthy man, are you going to take a $95 penalty per year or triple your health insurance costs? What are you going to do?

BECKEL: Young men are signing up from North Carolina to Kentucky to California.

TANTAROS: Or anyone.

BOLLING: We'll see.

TANTAROS: Or anyone. You don't have to be a young man. Why would you pay a -- why would you pay higher premiums than pay the penalty?

That's what happens --


PERINO: But I think the anxiety of not having health insurance actually -- that people are willing to pay. They might be willing to pay more.

What I think is a mistake, is I think it's fun for a day or two to look at the glitches, but the underlying problem of this bill and it is going to do to our economy ,the slowdown of the economic growth is -- that's a much bigger thing. Of course, there were going to be some glitches in anything like this.


TANTAROS: I actually think a lot of people don't have the money to pay these premiums and that's why they would just say, I'm going to risk it when I get sick, I'll sign up and I take the penalty. But a point on Apple, could you imagine if this was an IPO, let's say, today, and let's say that there were funding issues and glitches, right, fraud with it, the cost of this product was through the roof. Could you imagine the media?

Could you imagine the analysts?


TANTAROS: They would be bashing this thing all over the place. And a point about Obama, someone who loves media, someone who loves ObamaCare so much, why didn't he roll out a little computer today, maybe an Apple computer, and sign up himself and his entire family and his children?

Wouldn't that have been a great move for someone who believes in ObamaCare?

BECKEL: This is why I'm so proud of this show. Listen to you talk.

Listen you guys talk. Turning this thing -- trying to turn this thing into something that sounds like it's actually helpful to the Republicans and you've actually done a pretty good job of it.

I want to say congratulations, but you are smoking whatever they sell in Colorado, which by the way signed up 34,000 poor people today.

GUTFELD: It's easy to sign up people, Bob. But if you've noticed, nobody knows how to work the damn thing.

BECKEL: They're still working it. I'll give you credit. They're still working it.

BOLLING: Can I just fact-check President Obama's speech today? He said the last time in 1996, that there was a government shutdown, it hurt the economy. That was categorically wrong. Every indicator one month after the shutdown was higher than it was prior to the shutdown.

Then he said something interesting to me. He said 15 percent of Americans don't have health insurance. Now, what --

PERINO: How many people?

BOLLING: How many people is that? Haven't we been talking about 30 million people needing health insurance?

PERINO: At one point, it was up to 46. Now we're up to almost 50 million people. But the CBO did, their estimates on 30 million people. If you go back and say 46 million or 50 million people need health insurance, at $1.8 trillion is going to be $2.5 trillion or more.


PERINO: You know what we haven't talked about and Andrew Johnson at "National Review" wrote a piece called 100, he chose, 100 unintended consequences of ObamaCare. The number of businesses that have taken a certain number of full-time employees and made them part time employees because of the uncertainty of this law, this is a big deal. That's a bigger deal than a glitch or a problem and it's going -- without more certainty there's -- maybe it will all shake out, Bob. Maybe, eventually, this will be like the greatest thing ever.

But I think that all -- if you are able to read tea leaves, then this to say, all signs point to a slower economy.

BECKEL: I just want to know why the governors conference meet, and the Republicans and Democrat governors unanimously endorsed the idea of moving forward with ObamaCare. Why is that?

PERINO: What are you talking about? One of the problems of ObamaCare


BECKEL: Those of who accepted it.

PERINO: Right. But I know -- but many of the states didn't. So, they didn't -- they were given the option of not expanding and they chose not to. Or not doing an exchange. That's one of the problems with ObamaCare.

BECKEL: Those who accepted ObamaCare, including Republican states, sent the Congress a letter say, please don't try to mess around with ObamaCare on the C.R. bill. That's all. Those are governors living in the real world where the real people are and not people who are funded.

GUTFELD: That goes back to the simple question, if ObamaCare is so awesome, why are you supporters seeking exemption from it, if it's so great?

BECKEL: Well, if it's so bad, you said it before, it will fail and then you'll have all your great wishes to see it fail and people will still be out of insurance.

PERINO: The thing is that, you know what, in America, we're going to continue to take care of people who are sick. We are going to do that.

That's the way our western civilization works. We're a great country because we take care of people for a reason. But our system will not be as good as it could be with competition. We will forever be seen about -- headlines and stories about the wait times getting longer, doctors dropping out.

It will be a substandard system, and it didn't have to be that way, but this way. That's why I think we should focus.

BECKEL: Before ObamaCare, though, the United States medical system --

TANTAROS: It was great.

GUTFELD: It was terrible.

PERINO: No, it wasn't!

BECKEL: Terrible.

GUTFELD: Bob, now you're actually baldly lying. You claim a victory.

BECKEL: That's a pretty strong statement. I'm not --

GUTFELD: You're claiming a victory and then you go ahead and lie.

Our medicine is the best in the world. Now, if you want to talk about the health insurance industry, that might be different. However, if you believe that the government is better at health insurance than people who do it for a living, why stop there?


BECKEL: I wasn't referring to health insurance, number one. Number two, anybody's better than the guys that run these health insurance companies because they're rip-off artists.

PERINO: But the insurance companies --

GUTFELD: They're much smaller than most of the companies you love.

PERINO: And the insurance companies are actually the ones trying to sell on the exchanges, Bob. It's the very companies you say you don't like that are carrying out the thing you say you like.

BECKEL: Some of them are doing a good job. Some of them like Aetna don't have the cojones to go forward.

TANTAROS: But we've had this debate so many times in the green room and on-air. There were other ways to do this. There were other smarter, better ways to do this. It didn't have to be rush.

If the issue was the uninsured in the first place, 18 percent of those

30 million or 46 million are eligible for Medicaid. So why not get them signed up? Why not make that the public option?

They didn't want to do that, though, Bob. They wanted control. They wanted to get people hooked on subsidies. That was the goal. That's the end game.

BECKEL: So, the Republicans used that as an idea?

GUTFELD: We've got to go, guys. Sorry. We'll talk about it after the break.

BECKEL: Let's not talk about it anymore. I'm -- you lost the round.


BECKEL: That's fine. Let's just leave it at that.

GUTFELD: All right. So what's open, what's closed? And bottom line, how is this going to affect you? Dana is going to break it down for us, next. Exciting.



JAY LENO, COMEDIAN: Both sides are blaming each other, Republicans point their fingers at Democrats, Democrats point their fingers to the Republicans, and Americans are pointing the middle finger at both of them.

So, that's pretty much -- that's pretty much --


PERINO: All right. The federal government shut down last night for the first time in 17 years. What exactly does that mean? Well, to start, roughly 800,000 government workers will be sent home without pay, operations will be affected at the Department of Education, the EPA, Department of Labor, Department of Justice, NASA, and others. Now, national parks, 401 of them in all, will be closed coast to coast from the Statue of Liberty in the East, to the Grand Canyon and the West tours will be turned away.

Fortunately, one bipartisan solution was reached during the budget battle, the payment of active duty military was secured, Andrea, in the lead-up to this.

So, it's not a complete government shutdown. It's a partial shutdown.

But for those who are sent home and are worried about their paychecks, it's a serious deal.

TANTAROS: It is a serious deal. And no one likes to see anyone go home without pay. Couple of people tweeted me today. They said, I'm not getting a paycheck. And that is very upsetting.

Look, I have said for a long time I don't think we should have a government shutdown. And I will say this. Bob, you are right as far as losing a certain round.

But I do think that Republicans should not be too dismayed and I'll tell you why. I don't think people are paying as much attention as we think. I don't. I know you quoted that number 800,000 people, but, Dana, most people I talk to are not acutely focused like all of us here. They're not watching this. I do believe they blame both parties.

Historically, when you look at the Gallup numbers from 1995 when the government shut down, a similar thing happened. Republicans took heat, but Democrats took heat, too. I do think as soon as the shutdown ends, people will forget about it and move on, but they will remember ObamaCare. And the one silver lining for the GOP is they are officially on record now opposing that bill. It's the one good thing I can't say about the shutdown.

PERINO: Let me get Eric in here, Bob, because I'm going to date myself a little bit. Seventeen years ago was my first day as a Capitol Hill press secretary, my first day of the first government shutdown. I don't remember what the market did that day, but today the business community seemed to say, no big deal, just shrugged it off.

BOLLING: Yes, not only that, the last -- I believe the last three or four shutdowns, one month after the shutdown the stock market and the economy was better off than it was during the shutdown and even before the shutdown.

Can I just point something out? Bob talks about how those evil health care providers and those evil medical companies, they are doing so badly and poorly. Do you know that on the heels of ObamaCare implementation today, there are six health care companies that quotes they're at record high today. That means that the smart money on Wall Street is betting that ObamaCare is going to do nothing but help these companies.


BECKEL: Why not invest in profit-making companies like that make those huge profits.

BOLLING: But here's the point -- here's the problem. ObamaCare didn't affect the cost of health care. It affects the cost of health care insurance and the availability of health care insurance. If you really want to tackle the health care problem in America, address the cost, the rising cost of health care. And this bill -- this law does nothing to do that.

BECKEL: There was an interesting quote by a small businessman. He said, you know, it was fortunate to have ObamaCare to blame but the insurance companies were giving it us anyway.

But leaving that aside, can we get back to the politics of this? The Republicans had a big advantage, Obama on his heels, they had big story about independence coming towards Republicans in the last couple of weeks.

By five to one independents blame Republicans for the shutdown and they thought that doing ObamaCare was silly, even people who oppose ObamaCare think it was silly. So, your idea that this was a brave --


BECKEL: Freaky looking guy from Texas --

BOLLING: Whatever, that's not nice. One year after this shutdown, no one is going to remember it.


BOLLING: One year from now, the House and the Senate will go either Democrat or Republican based on the merits of ObamaCare, I believe.

PERINO: Let's hope the Republicans get it together. I think

Congress has not been the same since 2006 when the Democrats took over the Senate. That's been the linchpin -- although I'm glad that the Republicans have the House. I am glad.

Greg, you've been worried sick --


PERINO: -- about a government shutdown. How did you do today?

GUTFELD: It was rough. No, but you know what, what the shutdown is doing is it's focusing the pain on the federal worker as opposed to the entire country, which is saddled by ObamaCare, which is kind of a disservice I think because President Obama is the CEO of a bureaucracy of 4 million people. His goal is expanding his company which is in a sense the government.

You talk about the deleterious -- is that a word, deleterious?

PERINO: I'm not sure.

GUTFELD: The bad effects of the insurance industry with slim profit margins. But for the past two or three decades, they've been trying to get socialized medicine into this place forever. Socialism is the left's version of war, except it's waged internally on us.

BECKEL: What are your, say, three or four biggest problems with ObamaCare?

GUTFELD: That it narrows choice, that it limits competition, that it doesn't work, and there's no consequences.

BECKEL: Doesn't work?


PERINO: I mean, the fact is -- if there are no competitive value to it, then it doesn't have to work.

BOLLING: And it's mandated. That's the only reason why anyone really, at least on the right has a problem with it. If it wasn't mandated, if it was an option --

GUTFELD: No one would do it.

BOLLING: Right, and it would go away. But because the government says you have to, you don't have a choice, first time ever a product --

BECKEL: One of the things you have to keep in mind what happens in the government closings is, for example, there are a lot of clinics that are federally funded that help poor people that are closed today.

GUTFELD: I hate poor people, Bob. You got us again. You always say it like if you're opposed to a public bureaucracy we hate poor people.

BECKEL: God, did you not sleep last night?

GUTFELD: No. I want to call you out on this because -- I don't want to call you out on this. But I'm tired of -- could it be that people who believe in private enterprise want to help poor people just as much as you?


GUTFELD: That I want poor people to --


BECKEL: Greg, I never said --

GUTFELD: But you always bring up poor people when you're defending a bureaucracy.

BECKEL: I want to make a point about what happens when it gets closed. I didn't say y'all were putting poor into the --

GUTFELD: You were thinking it.

BECKEL: I was not.

TANTAROS: And if you don't like insurance companies, which I know that you don't, you and I have commiserated about big insurance company together, why wouldn't you have a smaller bill that would have started with where people can buy insurance across state lines for plans that suit them?

Right now, if I decide to it join the exchange in New York, I'm paying almost $900 a month as a healthy young female that barely goes to the doctor because I'm paying for the lot of people without preconditions.

That's not fair. This is not a fair system.

I know the president says fair shot, fair shake, fair share -- it's really not. I do believe the higher rates go, the more chances it will implode. And it will.

BOLLING: One final thought, you know the old line -- there are two sure things in life, death and taxes. Now it's death, taxes and ObamaCare.

That's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

GUTFELD: And one is still a tax and may cause your death.

BECKEL: I want to know what your specific problems are. That's what I like to know. That's all.

GUTFELD: Hey, do we -- can we throw that SOT of Obama talking about the languages?

PERINO: Yes, because -- there's nobody down here to enforce it. Go for it.

GUTFELD: All right.



OBAMA: There is a hotline where you can apply over the phone and get help with the application. Or just get questions that you have answered by real people in 150 different languages. So, let me give you that number.

The number is 800-318-2596.



GUTFELD: A hundred fifty different languages! This is a bureaucracy when you say, we need 150 different languages to answer your questions.

BECKEL: That's how many immigrants we have in this country, Greg.

GUTFELD: A hundred fifty different languages. This is why government



PERINO: I agree. All right. That was a good point. We didn't get speak about the War World II vets --

BECKEL: I lost that one completely.

PERINO: -- that knocked down the barrier at the national park, at World War II Memorial on their honor flight. You can check it out on our Web site and our Facebook page.

Coming up, Eric's been keeping track of how the media's been covering the drama in D.C. He's going to tell us what he found out.

And later, do not miss Bob's heartfelt tribute to Republicans for their role in the shutdown.

"The Five" returns in just a minute.


BOLLING: Welcome back to "The Five" and day one of the government shutdown.

Anarchists, arsonists, blackmailers, kidnappers -- sorry, all terms the left has used to describe the patriots trying to save the republics from ObamaCare.

BECKEL: Sorry.

BOLLING: But it took ABC News to take it one step further. Check out ABC's Capitol Hill reporter John Parkinson go there. Where you ask?

Ladies and gentlemen, ABC News playing the race card. Here's what he said.

In a blog he said, "House Majority Leader Eric Cantor tweeted out this photo of -- get this -- all-while male conferees meeting at an empty table."

So, Greg, we arsonists, anarchists, now ABC is jumping on board, giving a little help.

GUTFELD: I'm surprised that they even mentioned racism, because I assumed that they already thought we were racist for other things. I did some calculations. I figure out the only way to balance the favorable ObamaCare coverage of the last five years is for me to repeat that ObamaCare sucks until 3142 A.D. And that is still, what, barely.

BOLLING: Dana, what about the media rollout of ObamaCare?

PERINO: Well, I think a lot of the reporters did go through the -- I can't believe it was 17 years ago, first shut down. So, they have -- their experiences with it.

Also, most of these people are employees so they have health insurance, and they think that ObamaCare was a good idea and that Republicans are being ridiculous. I guess.

BOLLING: So I opened this segment laughing because in the break Greg pointed out he didn't think there were 150 languages. Bob --

PERINO: But 150 languages don't deserve translation of ObamaCare.

BOLLING: Bob claims he can come up with 150 so he's doing it. I read one of them, it said Irish.

BECKEL: I did not say Irish. You show me where it says Irish.

BOLLING: Anyways --

BECKEL: English. That's the problem with you right-wingers. You think everybody speaks Irish.

GUTFELD: Did you put down Canadian?

BECKEL: I did not, because they have French.

GUTFELD: Sounds good.

BOLLING: Anyway, so, Bob, you have to agree that the media is completely in the tank for Obama, would you not?

BECKEL: I have not finished my languages.

PERINO: Keep going.

BECKEL: I don't think they are at all. What they have done, I think, fairly responsibly -- look, they beat up ObamaCare. "The New York Times"

has been pretty tough on them.

PERINO: Lately.

BECKEL: The fact is that you have a responsibility when you have something like this, like it or not, to try to explain how it works. And I think some of these organizations --

GUTFELD: Or doesn't work.

BOLLING: Calling them arsonists.


BECKEL: I happen to think it's working today.

BOLLING: Using the race card, though, is a bit much. Wouldn't you say, Ands?

TANTAROS: Yes. And when it needed to work, when the media was doing an actual demonstration on live television, on MSNBC, oops, it didn't work.

So I think there have been some publications that have been fair.

Forbes has been fair it. There have been a number that have actually covered the problems. But really to cover it fairly you have to understand the bill, and I don't think a lot of reporters understand -- well, I should say the law. I don't think most of them will be signing up for it.

And I have to say in Robert's defense, have you seen his girlfriend girlfriends? He's dated a lot of women from different countries, so he maybe could complete this list.

BOLLING: Could we roll the SOT of Bob Schieffer over the weekend talking about whether Americans like or dislike ObamaCare? Just take a look at this.


REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN (R), TENNESSEE: There is bipartisan opposition to ObamaCare, not support. There's only partisan support. And you know good and well the Senate Democrats --

BOB SCHIEFFER, CBS HOST: Now, Congresswoman, that's not entirely true. Polls don't suggest that.

BLACKBURN: No. I think --

SCHIFFER: Polls show that most people favor it.

BLACKBURN: No. Most people oppose what is happening with ObamaCare.

I have looked at poll after poll after poll.

SCHIEFFER: Do you agree with that, Congressman?

BLACKBURN: They don't want it.


BOLLING: You saw that little eye, that little eye, that's the CBS eye.

So, let's look at his CBS poll. It turns out 51 percent disapprove, only 39 percent approve of ObamaCare.

So, Dana, thoughts on Bob Schieffer not reading his own poll?

PERINO: Here's what I think -- I think that Representative Marsha Blackburn, who was the original author of the delay piece, which I think would still have been a good deal that Obama should have taken, she comes prepared to interviews and she was right.


GUTFELD: I wouldn't blame Bob Schieffer. He was busy at his second job at middle earth.


BECKEL: That was -- that was important.

TANTAROS: I think they can cover up the headlines as much as they want to or choose not to report them or fudge whatever polls they want.

But, again, I think the American public is so savvy when it comes to health care that even if they never cover ObamaCare again, I think people can see their premiums going up.

BECKEL: Are you kidding me?

TANTAROS: Yes, Bob. Yes.

BECKEL: Do you think the American people understand what this health care bill is about?

TANTAROS: Oh, absolutely. I think they're about to find out.


BOLLING: All right. We're going to leave it there.

PERINO: How many does he have?


PERINO: How many does he have?

BOLLING: I'm going to guess around 60 or so. But we'll be right become.

Next on "The Five", a father driving his SUV with his wife and baby onboard is chased down and beaten by an angry mob of bikers on the streets of New York City. The wild road rage incident was all caught on tape by the suspects themselves, but there's more to the story than first reported.

Stick around. We'll be right back.


TANTAROS: Well, a stunning scene on the streets of New York City this past weekend, an apparent extreme case of road rage and the video has now gone viral. It shows a motorcycle gang chasing after a father out for a drive on his first wedding anniversary.

Now, it's not clear what triggered the chase, but it lasted for miles.

The bikers surrounded the father's SUV with his wife and his 2-year-old aside, eventually pulling him out of the car and beating him in broad daylight.

The suspects fled and the father was taken to the hospital. He received treatment and was released.

Now, the NYPD made the first arrest in this case this morning, but where were the cops when all of this was going on? And that's the biggest question, Greg.

The first thing that comes to mind that I thought when I saw this horrific video was, stop and frisk. The cops are petrified to stop what they would be perceived as criminals typically because in the stories we've covered, they don't want to lose their pensions, they don't want to lose their lives. So, they've stayed away.

GUTFELD: I don't know -- I'm not sure because -- I don't know if these guys had weapons or not. But I also -- I have trouble with the phrase "road rage" because they weren't angry when they did this.

These guys, you see all the time. I live in New York City. I saw these guys on the weekend flying through. And it's intimidating. When you're in a car and they're coming through, biker gangs are gangs because they like to ride bikes in groups and scare the crap out of you. It's -- they've been doing it since World War II and Marlon Brando movies.

But it's bad. It's bad. But it's nothing compared to what's going on elsewhere in New York City. You had a guy punched to death in Union Square, a female student thrown in front of a subway, a man stabbing five people in Riverside Park the other day. The weapons were fists, scissors and a subway.

The problem is with bikers, it's deranged maniacs on the streets in New York City --

BECKEL: The problem with biker gangs, these guys are meth dealers.

You talk about stop and frisk. They were doing the crime. They didn't have to figure out if there was a crime. They were speed, they were beating people up. Every one of them should be sent away for life.


BOLLING: Stop, stop, stop.

BECKEL: The one that got himself paralyzed, let him go to paralyzed prison.

BOLLING: Can I throw a curveball in this?


BOLLING: Do you know the guy in the SUV ran over one of the bikers first?



BECKEL: Sure. Well, that's too bad.

BOLLING: Look, I'm not defending any vigilantism, pulling a guy out of a car and beating the daylights out of him. However, there's more to this -- at first we heard a group of bikers beat up a guy with his family, with his kid. Now, we learned that that the guy ran over a biker, first, took off, hit another biker a second time.

TANTAROS: Wait a minute. That's not how I understood it.


TANTAROS: What happened was the bikers pulled up around the SUV first. The man became petrified because he saw his bikers surrounded.

So, Dana, he started to go. He clipped one of the bikes by accident.

That's when they really swarmed. That's when he ran over one biker and broke both legs.

So, I'm not sure I would have done something different had my car been surrounded with my child in the back.

PERINO: It is domestic terrorism. That's how I would describe it as domestic terrorism. There's a reason why I don't drive here. I haven't driven in three years, scares the crap out of me.

Everything you just said makes me -- I don't know what I want to do.

Move to the moon.

BECKEL: Drop nails in front of these son of bitches. That will get it, their motorcycles.

TANTAROS: But Greg's list is a good one. I think New York is becoming more and more dangerous, and it's a sign. It wasn't always like this.

GUTFELD: What Krauthammer said earlier, the bigger issue for a lot of states is mental illness and dealing with people who are on the streets.

BOLLING: But surely we're not saying because a stop and frisk ruling that hasn't even gotten put into play that these things are happening.

TANTAROS: Why not? Cops in New York say they're petrified. A federal judge has ruled. It's done.

BECKEL: They may be petrified of the gangs.

TANTAROS: If I'm a cop, I don't want to stop anyone for fear of losing my pension or my life.

Coming up --

BOLLING: They're not prohibited from stopping and frisking.

TANTAROS: Bob and Charles Krauthammer, finally agree on something. A government shutdown is a good thing for President Obama, they say.


CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: He's not going to give in because this is going to give him political advantage. This is a lifeline for an administration that's drowning.


TANTAROS: Don't miss Beckel on that, next.


BECKEL: Ain't that the truth. I want to just take a moment here and thank, thank the Republican Party for the great gifts they've given us by closing down this government.

You know, you had Obama on the run. You had us on the defensive.

Independents were all going in your direction. Now, you blew it again.

I'll explain more in a moment.

But, first, here's someone who surprisingly agrees with me, Charles Krauthammer.


KRAUTHAMMER: He's not going to give in because this is going to give him political advantage. This is a lifeline for an administration that's drowning. His numbers are low. The administration is in disarray, humiliated abroad, an economy stuck in the mud at home. He's got nowhere to go.

I think they've been hoping for a shutdown because Obama then gets to go on the stage and to give all that stuff that you showed in your introduction. This is the law of the land.


BECKEL: Well, that's (INAUDIBLE) we don't agree, we weren't hoping for a shutdown, but if the Republican Party had to take a hit on it, so be it.

All right. We got as usual, the producer is very excited about me having this block, five seconds.

PERINO: It was beautiful.

BOLLING: Can I just point out? If they didn't want to shutdown, Harry Reid could have brought the Senate back. He waited until Monday at

2:00 p.m.

BECKEL: For what?

BOLLING: Because he knew the shutdown was going to play in their advantage.


BOLLING: Correct, they didn't have to. You're right.

GUTFELD: The bigger issue here is that winners do not need lifelines and Bob just admitted that ObamaCare is a big loser because it need a lifeline. You just said this saved him. How did he need saving if it wasn't for the fact he was a disaster?

BECKEL: I think it had a lot to do with the economy, with jobs, with the fact he had all these international problems.

GUTFLD: Now, you're finally admitting the economy suck, jobs suck.

BECKEL: This is a problem, Greg. You often take everything that I say to the superlative. I think the economy is getting better but it's not great.

TANTAROS: Your issue is that Obama didn't necessarily -- it was a --


BECKEL: The issue is you've got a Republican Party that's a dinosaur.

They're dying and there will be another party to come up and hopefully with some life and better --

PERINO: You know the whole thing has been like, Bob? It's like -- it's been like watching your girlfriend about to marry a total jerk and you know he's a jerk, but you don't want to say anything because she's so in love with him. But you know in a few years it's going to end really badly in a horrible divorce and then you're going to say, oh, yes, I always wondered about that guy. She's going to say, why didn't you tell me?

TANTAROS: Do we know who you're talking about?

PERINO: I'm talking about the Republicans.

TANTAROS: It sounds very personal.

BECKEL: If it fails and fails miserably, you're right. It's going to self-correct itself and the Republicans will win big in 2014, if you're right.

PERINO: Don't get married.

BECKEL: I don't think you'll be right.

TANTAROS: Don't get married, she says.

BECKEL: Oh, yes, "One More Thing" is up next.

PERINO: I'm actually for marriage.


GUTFELD: Time for "One More Thing".

I want to go to my personal hero, Justin Bieber. This is a picture of him at the Great Wall of China being carried by his assistant up the Great Wall of China. He makes Miley Cyrus look civilized and masculine.


GUTFELD: I mean, seriously. You're a dude. You're a dude. Walk.

You make me sick to my stomach.

All right, Dana.

PERINO: As you pointed out, I was away for a few days. I was in South Carolina. I have a new best friend. Her name is Macy English. She loves "The Five". She loves "One More Thing". All weekend long I teased her whether or not she would be one more thing worthy.

Here's a picture of her with Jasper. See how cute her glasses are?

Jasper, her dog, Grady. But this is my favorite picture. This is how we found Grady on Monday morning at the house in South Carolina, dead asleep on the ding room table with a bottle of wine behind him.

TANTAROS: That's how Greg woke up, too.

GUTFELD: That's true. And with a dog.


GUTFELD: Andrea?

TANTAROS: OK. Bad news for Volkswagen lovers and former hippies like Bob. The VW camper van where Bob spent most of the `60s and `70s is being retired by Volkswagen. The last one rolled out on New Year's Eve only to Brazil which got me thinking of my car which happened to be a VW. It was a

1990 VW Jetta. I think that is my old car. That was my first car.

What was your first car, guys?

GUTFELD: The Bieber bus lot.

Cutlass Supreme.

BECKEL: '56 Ford Victoria.

BOLLING: Buick Skylark.

PERINO: Turismo (ph).

TANTAROS: Awesome.

PERINO: I'm so embarrassed. I'm still embarrassed.

GUTFELD: Turismo, I don't even know what that is.

BOLLING: OK. Here it is. Day one of ObamaCare. By the way, thank you, Dr. Siegel for letting me borrow your doctor's lab coat. You asked for it.

It starts today. I suggest number one, you call it Democare, and number two, get ready -- c

PERINO: Why are you pointing to me?


GUTFELD: Death panel.

BECKEL: OK. Very quickly, FOX News is welcoming George Will, a Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist and commentator. He's leaving ABC, which is a smart move, and coming to FOX, which is a smarter move.

Welcome, George. You're one of my favorite people. I like hearing you though I don't agree with you much.

GUTFELD: I loved him and I loved him in Devo.


GUTFELD: He looks like he's in Devo. One of the greatest writers ever.

PERINO: I don't get the Middle Earth comment.

GUTFELD: That's it for "The Five". See you.

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