This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 24, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and she eats nothing but lady bugs, it's Dana Perino.
It's 5:00 in New York City, but what else is new?
GUTFELD: The Islamist terrorist threat is a cancer on the globe. I think I just insulted cancer. Iran, Pakistan, Kenya, America, it's everywhere. The argument to absolve terror is historical. Islamists and their Western apologists say there's nothing unique about Islamic terror, that every religion has had aggressors. True, during the Spanish Inquisition.
But now, in this point of history, it's all Islam. What do Somalians, Arabs, white British females, adorable Chechens and Americans all have in common during acts of terror? It's their radical Islam.
Congrats, monsters. You own the title.
Now, what if that mall attack happened here in the United States? It would be on. But few freak out now because it's only Africa. Poor Kenya, one of the few African nations that works, but they're running in a -- they're in a running battle with Muslim nuts.
And Africa has enough problems. Islamists in North Africa conducted a slave trade, raiding non-Islamic villages for women and kids and selling them as slaves in Sudan. Religion of peace? My ass.
Like Bob said, the first thing you have to do is admit there's a problem. The administration won't.
Meanwhile, yesterday, a White House roundtable discussion was held in honor of bisexual visibility day. Now, there's a problem the Obama administration tackles, a lack of bisexual visibility. But why close doors? Kind of hampers the whole visibility thing.
The one visibility problem we don't have, sadly, is with terror. We see it. Obama sees it. He just won't speak its name.
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: I'm reading that today for some reason.
GUTFELD: I got a little stuck on a few words there, Bob.
BECKEL: Yes, you did.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Historic or historical?
GUTFELD: Historical? Is it edit the monologue day?
ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: I think you said it right.
GUTFELD: I think I did say it right because --
BOLLING: Can we defer to Dana on this one?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I wasn't paying attention because I had a good --
GUTFELD: I'm out of here. See you guys later. I'm going to do my "RED EYE" show.
PERINO: I had a really good line.
PERINO: Well, I just thought that when you were listing the places where they've been recent terror attacks, you forgot two places.
PERINO: Ft. Hood and Boston.
GUTFELD: I did say America at the end.
BOLLING: The green movement, they're eco terrorists.
GUTFELD: Yes. The guys that used to put bolts in trees.
BOLLING: Yes, Solyndra, and all the people who thought that we would be better off with green energy.
GUTFELD: I don't put them as terrorists, Eric.
TANTAROS: I was going to say. I don't know if you can make that comparison between green terrorists and actual Islamic radical terrorists. One has been killing us for 1,400 years since the days of Thomas Jefferson. One is commanded to continue to kill, because the day of jihad is better than a month of peace, and if you cannot take them by the carrot, you take them by the sword. And that's exactly what you saw in Kenya.
They were quizzing people. Do you know the name of Muhammad's mother? They were quizzing them. If they didn't know it, boom, gone.
And they will continue to do it until we're all Muslims or we're all ruled by Muslims. It's been historical and it is prophecy and that's what they believe, and I wouldn't compare them to green terrorists.
BECKEL: Well, as I suggested, I don't know the name of his mother and I don't care.
I did hear, though, finally, just finally, somebody in the Muslim world stood up and said this was a bad thing. And that is some cleric in Saudi Arabia. I applaud him. Now, where are the other 100 million of you?
BOLLING: Hundred million? How about like 1.3 billion?
BECKEL: One-point-three billion -- I mean 100 million who are terrorists. It's 10 percent, right?
BOLLING: I don't know. Yes, less than 10 percent.
Dana, what do you make of the root cause argument that they always make for terror? That if you just go far enough, you can justify almost any evil, right?
PERINO: And they prey on hopeless societies.
PERINO: If you don't have any hope or prayer of getting a good job and having a good life, then you turn to terrorism. That is -- that's definitely true all around the world.
The thing that I wonder about the Nairobi incident, when they were in the mall, why didn't some brave Muslim yell the name of Muhammad's mother so that everybody had the answer if that was happening? That would have been a brave and smart thing to do.
BOLLING: You would have been shot on the spot.
PERINO: You know what, that would have been --
TANTAROS: They had to follow-up question, which was quote something from the Koran. I think they would have continued to try to trap people in to quoting things from the Koran. It would have been radical Islamic trivia.
PERINO: Weird thing about --
GUTFELD: Jeopardy, jihad jeopardy.
PERINO: -- how, the imams that don't say anything. We know that they know how to get a crowd. Remember the Danish cartoonist when he did the cartoon and they were offended and they said that Muhammad was disrespected? There were crowds there.
PERINO: They all spoke out in one and in unison and protests. It's not that they're incapable of doing this, but they're not willing to do it.
BECKEL: The interesting thing about the quoting the Koran, the Koran says you're not supposed to kill innocents not in combat with you particularly women and children, which is exactly what they did. So, I assume that they're going against their own religion and if that's the case, why don't you kick them all out? Here's a thought.
By the way, I heard plenty of you Muslims yesterday. I'll repeat the point. Never mind. I won't bother with you.
GUTFELD: Let's go to the U.N. Obama was speaking today and then you I go to you, Eric. He was talking about how the world is now more stable.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: The world is more stable than it was five years ago. But even a glance at today's headlines indicates the dangers remain. In Kenya, we've seen terrorists target innocent civilians in the crowded shopping mall. In Pakistan, nearly 100 people were recently killed by suicide bombers outside of church. In Iraq, killings and car bombs continue to be a terrible part of life. Al Qaeda has splintered into regional networks and militias.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: So, Eric, he talks about how it's been more stable and he unleashes a litany of examples --
BOLLING: Car bombs.
Interesting to note that today's the 365th day since the President Obama stood at that exact same podium and blamed the video for the violence -- for the terror attack in Benghazi. I thought it's very interesting. He went through a lot of things, didn't really mention that. Didn't hit on that.
Also, he may have been watching "The Five" because I think yesterday, we were pretty harsh on him for wanting to sit down with the Iranians, with Rouhani, who allegedly is going to be speaking or speaking right now. But I think that meeting is going to break up. That's going to dissolve. That's actually not going to happen.
Thankfully, hopefully, came from our side and not their side, saying they don't want to meet with us, because we should not be sitting around those terrorists.
GUTFELD: Yes. By the way, if that's his real name is speaking right now, I believe. We have a picture of him. There he is.
Andrea, interesting thing. Apparently we offered -- United States offered to have an encounter with him. Where I come from, encounter means something totally different. But they said it was too complicated.
Did they just slap us down or was it a legitimate, "Hey, we're really busy and let's do this again, Starbucks in my neighborhood"?
TANTAROS: I think that the Iranians see an opening with this president that they can drag things out.
TANTAROS: If you're Rouhani, you want time on your side, right?
TANTAROS: All they have to do is delay, they can drag their feet. They know that they can manipulate this president. I think that's exactly what he's doing. That's why I think that he said it's complicated. Let's drag it out. That's all they need is time on their side to get that nuclear weapon that Rouhani already said I'm planning on getting. That's what I'm working on.
PERINO: Right. So, negotiations buy you time while the machines continue to work at home to try to produce a nuclear weapon.
GUTFELD: Exactly. Like I said, the Iranians do two things at once.
GUTFELD: They'll talk to you, but they'll be building the centrifuges.
Bob, what are you giggling about?
BECKEL: I'm sorry, man. The first thought that came to my mind, shouldn't you take your hat off at the U.N.?
BOLLING: And you've been laughing about your own --
TANTAROS: Very in at the U.N., Bob.
PERINO: I think Bob cracks himself up.
BECKEL: I'm sorry. I didn't mean that to get to the Muslims. I understand you wear those things.
BOLLING: Can I say don't go after --
PERINO: Don't go after the atheists.
BOLLING: What in the world -- what are they doing here? What's the purpose of the U.N.? What's the purpose of the General Assembly here? Every year to sit here and have people who freaking hate us come here and have a podium, eat in our restaurants, sleep with all the women they can, double park. Can't they end this and do it somewhere else?
BECKEL: A lot of good things --
GUTFELD: Prostitutes in New York need the money.
BECKEL: Well, I tell you what. Not many of them around, when they're around in the session. I have heard that.
PERINO: They could move it to every other year, at least.
BECKEL: Listen. The fact is --
TANTAROS: Middle of nowhere, please.
BECKEL: I still go there, OK? I won't go there.
The fact is that the U.N. does a lot of very good things and just UNICEF alone is something worth having.
The fact that they come together one time, they put the U.N. here. What else are you going to do?
BOLLING: Somewhere else. It's a disaster.
I can -- I know New Yorkers don't want it. I'm pretty sure America doesn't really want it here. Put it somewhere, I don't know, put it in Syria.
GUTFELD: They could put it where there's more parking, because they tend to never pay for the parking tickets when they're here and then hitting people. Their drivers are busted for DUIs, which happened this morning and basically -- you know what it is? People from the other countries live in miserable places. This is the best time.
BOLLING: Of course.
GUTFELD: This is the best time. Let's come to New York. We go to the strip clubs. We eat strip steaks. We -- the weather (ph).
BOLLING: I have one more suggestion and then I'll shut up. If it has to be in New York, let's put it at the top of the Freedom Tower. The new World Trade Center Tower. Let's put right at the top. So, if any of you Muslim terrorist Islamic jihadist want to think about hitting that tower, you're going to take down the U.N.
PERINO: The whole Bush administration, every time you came to the U.N., you know what they wanted to talk about, the number one front page story was global warming.
PERINO: And then all of a sudden, when President Obama's there, then there's more Arctic ice than 15 years. Nobody wants to talk about global warming anymore.
TANTAROS: You know, it's pretty disappointing that his base doesn't hold him accountable, especially the women's groups, and the visible bisexual groups. Try being a visible bisexual in Riyadh.
GUTFELD: I tried.
TANTAROS: You know, Greg, and you lived to tell the tale.
TANTAROS: But many people would not live to tell the tale. So, I think it is. I mean, I have said this before. It's one issue where the right and left can come together on the treatment of women, but instead the president used that opportunity in Cairo to talk about a shared history of tolerance between Islam and the United States of America.
BECKEL: Wait, wait, wait --
PERINO: What about adoption? They could talk about international adoption.
BECKEL: This administration and particularly Hillary Clinton when she was a secretary of state in China, against the Chinese wishes, addressed women's rights there, in Saudi Arabia --
TANTAROS: With a whisper.
BECKEL: -- every place that she went.
TANTAROS: With a whisper.
BECKEL: A whisper.
TANTAROS: With a whisper, Bob. They were not as hard as they could have been on these countries, especially China and the human rights offenses.
BECKEL: That's --
TANTAROS: President Obama's the one that's got to say it.
BECKEL: You name another person who spoke out --
TANTAROS: Instead, he actually conflates Islam with --
BECKEL: In China, in China.
BECKEL: OK, there's two.
PERINO: No, I said George W. Bush, Laura Bush and --
BECKEL: What did George Bush say in China?
PERINO: In China, he talked about women's rights everywhere he went. And especially, you know where else he did it, in Saudi Arabia, in Egypt --
BECKEL: OK. Good.
PERINO: -- in Afghanistan and in Iraq.
BECKEL: I stand corrected. Then, that's fine. That gives us four.
GUTFELD: No, you've got a whole generation of conservatives who pointed out the forced abortion laws in China which affect women because they abort tons more girls than boys.
BOLLING: When Hillary Clinton talked about women's rights in some of the Muslim countries, did she hear an hijab?
BECKEL: I have no idea. Are you going to wear a hijab when you go to speak?
BOLLING: But that's the point. I mean, women are treated differently in these countries and to go there and pretend that they're not --
TANTAROS: The fact we send one in to broker deals, normally I get heat for this, but the fact that the United States of America says we're going to send a woman in to sit down with these men at a table that do not respect her shows that we do not -- we do not understand their culture at all.
GUTFELD: Or we're doing that on purpose. We're saying you're going to have to do this.
PERINO: But I love that. I like that about America, that our government officials put women in positions to say you have to sit here with her whether you like it or not. And I love that about us. There's some things I don't like.
Another thing they don't talk about here, I mentioned international adoption and the problem with that. But also, there's no free trade agreement. There's no talk about the things that could actually help improve poverty, eradicate poverty in the world. There's nothing.
BECKEL: You know, I'm not been the softest coming to Muslims but I will say this. Their culture is their culture. Women wear scarves in their head, because that's their culture. I mean, i don't see why we should get in the middle of that. They don't tell you to do not tan --
GUTFELD: Their culture is -- no, no --
BOLLING: That's funny.
GUTFELD: You're comparing wearing a hijab to his tan. Interesting comparison.
BOLLING: Funniest thing you said in a long time.
GUTFELD: You can use culture to explain away everything to female circumcision. I mean, that's part of a culture.
GUTFELD: No, people, it's under the guise of culture. Culture. Some cultures suck and we're afraid to say that. In fact, America's culture is superior to most culture around the world. We are afraid to say that.
BECKEL: What are you talking about? You dump on American culture all the time, on Hollywood people and all that.
GUTFELD: That is a good point.
PERINO: Good point, Bob. Wow, you are on fire today, Bob.
BOLLING: Wheaties this morning.
BECKEL: Used to.
BECKEL: Wait until the next segment.
GUTFELD: All right. Ahead on "The Five," we're just one week away from Obamacare. Dana has some more scary news about the health care law, you're going to want to know about. Stay tuned for that.
Oh, yes. All right.
PERINO: You are never going to make it in any talent show.
PERINO: Let's just be clear about that.
All right. This is what we're going to talk about now. I'm really excited, because Bob has something planned in this block, but he won't tell us what it is. So, you have to stay with us.
We're going to talk about health care. We are now just a week away from the rollout of ObamaCare and at this hour, former President Bill Clinton and current President Barack Obama, you heard him (ph), they are together in an event here in New York City. They're promoting a kickoff. It's a big shindig.
But on Capitol Hill right now, there's somebody getting a lot more attention, and that's the effort to defund the ObamaCare law. Senator Ted Cruz from Texas took the floor at 2:41 Eastern Time and he vowed he's going to stay there until he's no longer to able to stand and he only has until noon tomorrow for his talkathon, though, because there's a vote that the Senate scheduled. That will end debate, that will bring the defund effort to the floor. And people at that point, Andrea, are going to have to vote.
Fifty-five percent, this is ABC/Washington News poll disapprove of the way President Obama is handling the implementation of the law. They've got a week to go. Not very good numbers.
TANTAROS: Not good numbers and if you go and try and register for the exchanges, it says information will be available October 1. I just did an experiment today.
So, if anyone's trying to sign up, I'm sure they're looking at this going, how does this even work? I think the biggest issue, though, Dana, and Republicans should be talking about it every single day is what is happening on Capitol Hill and not about Ted Cruz but the carve-outs for congressional members and their staffers. This is absolutely egregious.
So, if you're a staff director on the Hill and you're making $170,000 a year, you can go and you can apply and get Obamacare subsidies.
But what if you have a similar salary outside of the government? You're not eligible. President Obama waved your eligibility for salary. It's just a, I guess, word of mouth and a trust but verify. Here you go, here's my salary.
So the taxpayers don't get the benefits but the government officials do.
TANTAROS: This is, I think, the biggest bomb to hit ObamaCare yet.
PERINO: There was about two months ago, that's when the Office of Personnel Management through President Obama offered those subsidies. And I have said -- I have defended the staffers because I thought it made a lot of sense, but looking through this from a political lens, I think that this is the best place for the Republicans to go.
Bob, you're holding your fire there. And I see how patient you're being. Let's go to Eric next because you've been following this and the effects of the economy. This whole discussion that we have been having on defund from a macro level is really about there are business owners, employers who are saying this is actually hurting the economy. We want to do something about it before it's too late.
BOLLING: We can do the numbers all you want. The costs are going up. The insurance premiums are going up and not working.
But the important to note is, you know, Content and Programming Copyright 2013 Fox News Network, LLC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Copyright 2013 CQ-Roll Call, Inc. All materials herein are protected by United States copyright law and may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, displayed, published or broadcast without the prior written permission of CQ-Roll Call. You may not alter or remove any trademark, copyright or other notice from copies of the content. doesn't really address the real issue which is health care costs. It addresses health care insurance, but not the actual cost. It doesn't bend the cost curve down. It plays around with the insurance premiums. People with money put into the system and they finance people with less money or people who need more health care.
But insurance costs continue -- health care costs continue to go up. It doesn't address it. It's a big problem. I think it's interesting what you said about people on Capitol Hill having to have ObamaCare of having to use it, or getting subsidy, Rand Paul had the greatest line yesterday and suggested that Chief Justice John Roberts who is deciding vote to make ObamaCare a law, if he loves it so much, he should have to be on ObamaCare and --
PERINO: But, see, he is married to a very successful lawyer who is at a law firm who probably keep the benefits. So, it wouldn't matter necessarily.
BOLLING: Don't blow my line.
PERINO: What do you think of this? You have had rapt attention on the procedural happenings in Washington, D.C.
GUTFELD: You know who I feel really bad for? The late Jack Kevorkian, because it's too bad he never saw the government expansion of his death ban. The only people for ObamaCare ware those -- who like it -- are those who are exempt from it.
Essentially, it's a public toilet that nobody wants to use but assumes it's necessary for everybody else. And it's a disgusting place that no one wants -- maybe I'll run in and use it. That's ObamaCare.
PERINO: Even the union today, Bob, you said you wanted to go last.
BOLLING: We're out of time.
PERINO: But they didn't even want to get in to the defund thing because they're really mad. Now, hit us with whatever you got planned.
BECKEL: ObamaCare. We shall overcome --
GUTFELD: This is it?
BECKEL: We shall overcome, we shall overcome some day --
GUTFELD: Are you going to take us out?
BECKEL: That's it.
TANTAROS: That's what you say when you have no other --
BECKEL: That's the peace here, me and Gandhi.
PERINO: OK. Interesting thing, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, who is the DNC chair, said they shouldn't consider ObamaCare to be sacred, and I think because they realize there are some things they're going to have to fix. The unions are coming down on them.
Plus, USA Today reported on a family glitch today, Andrea, that in the details, if you're a family and you realize that you all of a sudden only applies the employee, not to the family, your children could be without insurance.
TANTAROIS: A complete drafting error. It never supposed to be that way. They weren't going to deny these kids this health care, Bob. We shall overcome.
But the legislative council made a drafting error. This is what happens, Dana, when it's drafted in the middle of the night, there aren't any hearings, and it looks like the White House strategy on this, they know there's a lot of drafting errors, and so, they're just going to have to do it by executive fiat and by the way, Mr. Gandhi, is illegal.
BECKEL: By the way, you and I both worked at Capitol Hill, when's the last time anybody wrote anything in the day? They always draft these bills in the middle of the night so they can say we made a mistake.
TANTAROS: OK. Well, then don't sing "We shall overcome" when the bill is a piece of crap.
BECKEL: We are going to be -- ain't no share (ph) going to turn this around, turn this around --
GUTFELD: In 90 seconds. We shall come over.
PERINO: You might get on a talent show before Bob.
GUTFELD: Yes. That's hard to believe.
PERINO: Think about that.
TANTAROS: But not for singing.
GUTFELD: That's true.
PERINO: Talk about the talent show?
PERINO: Quite a transition here.
Next on "The Five," actor Michael Douglas gave one of the most talked about speeches at the Emmys on Sunday, but his remarks to reporters after the show is what's making news now. His son is in prison for a drug crime and he doesn't think it's fair. He's going to explain why when we come back.
Maybe he should just have to sit here and listen to Bob's singing. That would be punishment enough.
BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.
Remember when Michael Douglas's son Cameron was hauled off to prison for drug offenses? Since then, Michael Douglas is outspoken on the issue of drug offenders and incarceration.
GUTFELD: Of course.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MICHAEL DOUGLAS, ACTOR: If you happen to have a slip, this is for a prisoner who's nonviolent, has about half a million of our drug addicted prisoners are, they punish you. So in my son's case, he spent -- has spent almost two years in solitary confinement. And right now, I'm being told that I cannot see him for two years. It's over a year now. And I'm questioning the system.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Now, Cameron Douglas is in prison he was distributing large quantities of meth and cocaine like 20 kilos large.
But the facts aren't so clear cut when it comes to low level drug users and incarcerations. It turns out, there are hundreds of thousands of nonviolent drug users behind bars clogging our prisons and draining state coffers of much-needed tax dollars.
The Obama administration recently announced they will review penalties for low-level crimes.
Now, this may surprise, but I'm going to say, I'm stand with them on this. I know I'm going to hear it from this side because in the past, I haven't been this way.
PERINO: No, you have. That's consistent what you have said before.
BOLLING: But the numbers are staggering, Dana.
PERINO: That's right.
BOLLING: Millions upon millions of people are arrested and all they've done is possessed small amounts of certain drugs, nonviolent especially.
PERINO: I think that's been your position, though. If somebody asked me on the street your position, I would have said what you just said.
BECKEL: The fact is this is probably not the right example when you -- I don't know about 20 kilos. That's an awful lot of cocaine.
BOLLING: That's what he got busted.
BECKEL: But he was selling in prison and he went to solitary confinement. That makes some sense.
But the massive level of prisoners at the state level particularly, but even in the federal prisons, because if you buy cocaine in New York and cross in to New Jersey to use it, you are considered a federal criminal. You're indicted. It is just -- what you are doing is taking these people, putting them in an environment where they're going to come out and only thing to do is deal drugs. That's the danger of it.
GUTFELD: OK. I'm for getting -- I agree with everybody. Not violent potheads shouldn't be in jail, as long as you replace them with violent fiends, like the guy that punched Jeffrey Babbitt to death in Union Square. He's in and out of jail dozens of times. He should have been in jail for life.
So people always talk about overcrowding. Build more prisons for the violent people. Cameron Douglas, however, should not be the poster boy for this movement, because he is a scale, he is a low-down, dirty meth dealer.
Also, he wouldn't lift a finger for anybody on this planet. He was a spoiled rich kid, beneficiary of Hollywood welfare, which means he got away with everything he got in his life and he couldn't even act, a member of an acting family that can't act but all he did was sell drugs.
I don't care about him but I care about the other people that aren't famous.
BOLLING: Ands, what about the difference between people who are busted for selling, distributing, dealers and then people busted for possession?
TANTAROS: I think --
BOLLING: Do you care?
TANTAROS: I do. I think it's two different things.
I also think a lot of these criminals in federal prisons are the ones busted for dealing or else the prosecutor probably wouldn't take the case.
But I agree with you on this. I'm little bit torn. I am sympathetic to a lot of civil rights leaders who are calling for this, because when the drug laws came out, they treated crack worse than they treated cocaine. So, if you have a small amount of cocaine, you get a slap on the wrist, if you were found with crack, you get 10 years.
So, I can see that point but I do think this is an effort by the administration to try to solve a cultural issue but making the drug laws a little more lax and it's an issue that Eric Holder doesn't want to talk about, and that's the breakdown of the family and what's happening with these repeat-offending, drug-dealing kids, specifically in African-American communities.
BOLLING: Can I ask you -- we have a minute or so. What about mixing nonviolent offenders with violent offenders? That's what's going on in state prisons.
BOLLING: They're coming out of prison violent.
BECKEL: Well, not only that, but what they're also learning how to do is cook meth or crank or cat or whatever you want to call it. It is a process that you can do. You know what it is made of? It's made of a farm chemical. It's made of Sudafed, which is why that's behind the counters at drugstores. It's made with a little bit of marijuana and then it's with D batteries. Cut them in half and book it all up.
They learn how to do that in prison, they come out and you wonder why there's so many of them around.
Now, that's not the best meth that you find. Not that anything is good about it, but yes, they're learning how to be bad, worse than when they went in.
BOLLING: My only concern is you take nonviolent criminals -- nonviolent perps and you miss them in the general population with people who are dealing, murderers, rapists, whatnot. They learn the trade.
GUTFELD: No. Not so worried about -- get these nonviolent -- like potheads, they don't try to bash your head in on the street. Those are -- put the violent people in there. Get them off the street. Get these other people out. Let them get high in their basements.
BOLLING: Very quickly, they're telling us to tease. But what about people who went away for a long time on three strikes and you're out?
Remember there was a guy, I can't remember his name, he's a rapper. He went away, 55 years for possession of marijuana, because it was a third strike. Do we let them out?
PERINO: I don't know. Like, I'm tough on crime but I don't know about crime or drugs. I don't.
BECKEL: The three strikes --
PERINO: I don't know.
BECKEL: The three strikes you're out laws have got to be changed because judges ask for it themselves because they have no discrepancy -- they're not discretionary for them. If you got it, you got it, you go away. By the way, overwhelming number of these prisoners and these tough gangs are gangs Crips and Bloods.
GUTFELD: Can I just point out? Three strikes is based on a sports metaphor, which is hilarious that you would do law based on sports, because what if they chose bowling? You have like 10 strikes. You would have 27 strikes, I guess. I don't know.
TANTAROS: We could sit here and debate it -- we could debate, which we do, tweaking all of these drug laws a little bit here and a little bit there, the three strikes and you're out, I still think it goes to a bigger cultural issue that this administration does not want to address.
BOLLING: All right. We've got to leave it there. They're telling me wrap.
So, still to come, what age do most people give up caring about what they look like? How's my hair look?
GUTFELD: It's there.
BOLLING: Do you ever stop caring?
BOLLING: Plus, when the going gests tough for America, President Obama goes golfing but President Bush is defending (AUDIO GAP) sticking up for 44, just ahead.
TANTAROS: Well, unless you're someone that wakes up looking like George Clooney or Angelina Jolie, it takes a lot of effort to stay looking good.
Now, according to a new study, most men give up trying by the age of 46. Not surprisingly, the survey shows women care about appearance an average of 13 years longer until about 59. And two thirds of married folks report giving up on their looks about two years into their relationship.
I want to hit on the guy angle, because, Greg Gutfeld, as a former editor of Men's Health, is this true? Is this really about the age guys give up or does it have to do with the relationships?
GUTFELD: It has to do with their relationships. We realized at Men's Health that single guys, they will always like work on their bodies and especially -- and once they're married, you know, it's like why bother? Which is kind of sad.
But it's better -- here's my theory. Better to give up your appearance than rework your face like a renovated beach house.
We are losing grandmothers. Everybody had grandmothers. They're all cute. Now, they look like scary ladies with lion faces, like this lady.
All of this lioness plastic surgery is turning like your little -- the little granny you hugged as a kid into creatures from the black lagoon.
TANTAROS: See, Dana, I think guys give up earlier. Or sooner I should say than --
PERINO: Than women?
PERINO: Than 46?
TANTAROS: Than 46.
PERINO: I don't know. You know, like whatever happened to the beer belly? Guys had beer bellies. They really don't anymore. Where did the fat go?
GUTFELD: It's good point.
TANTAROS: I know.
BECKEL: I have one right here.
PERINO: But women -- I think women have to keep up their appearances than they have to try harder for a few reasons. One of them is personal pride.
And another is the workforce. You have to work harder.
And the third one is to keep your man.
TANTAROS: And there's more options now.
GUTFELD: Poor women, Dana. How homophobic. And we're in bisexual awareness week!
TANTAROS: Eric, you take very good care of yourself. I don't know if I would say you're metrosexual but that's a compliment, because you're in shape, right? You have a tan.
Now, is that -- have you always been this way or does your wife influence you to keep looking good or what?
BOLLING: Have you seen my way? She is gorgeous.
TANTAROS: That's why I'm asking if she's a influence in your --
BOLLING: No, no. Look. I take pride in -- I work -- I run four days a week. I love it. I feel great about it. But, boy, if I were to not do that and walk into a restaurant and I have Beckel hitting on her like he does just about every other time she comes into town, might take someone up on the offer.
PERINO: Are you worried about that?
BECKEL: She almost bought into it, too. And I have a beer belly.
TANTAROS: Shocking America but Bob does not care about --
BECKEL: When I turn 46, I'm going to start thinking about that.
Listen. I think it's all a bunch of -- look. I mean, look at Eric. He spends money on his clothes. Poor kid. The reason he probably looks like this because he grew up dirt poor, he wants to look like he's got -- this watch right here is like 40,000 bucks and stuff like that.
I could have given a crap one way or another. I had a Mickey Mouse watch which I got lost it. I got drunk one night.
TANTAROS: But don't you think that you're either one way or you're the other, like, do you not care about your look, or you're just someone who just doesn't care?
BECKEL: I think, listen, honest, I think this is going to sound a little bit -- but I really think from your heart and soul than it does about how you look. I don't just get people who walk -- people who walk around looking in mirrors all the time? That drives me crazy, you know?
GUTFELD: You use mirrors for other things.
BECKEL: That's correct.
PERINO: An interesting dynamic is pressure a spouse will put on the other, so whether it's man or woman. But if you look at the whole weird cougar thing going on, men --
BECKEL: Cougar? How do you know about cougars?
PERINO: I saw it on TV.
TANTAROS: But don't you think if a woman starts to lose weight, then the husband wants to or vice versa? Greg said if the guy's working out too much, women beware.
TANTAROS: If your spouse becomes incredibly interested in how he looks, he is cheating.
You know what? As a kid, remember when you were a kid, you thought old people were always old. There was no transformation from being a child. They were just old.
That misconception is now alive later in people in their 20s and 30s have no idea that you actually will turn into us. So, don't get the tattoos because you're going to look like a crumpled up road map when you're 50.
BECKEL: We got to go?
TANTAROS: We got to go.
BECKEL: (INAUDIBLE) I gave up a speech out in California, in the desert, and all these people have plastic surgery, and it looked like "The Night of the Living Dead".
TANTAROS: Directly ahead, a lot of people get teed off when President Obama goes golfing during times of crisis. President Bush isn't one of them. In fact, he thinks it's a good idea. You'll hear from GW, next.
BECKEL: Are you kidding me?
For a long time, I said it's not fair to take cheap shots at President Obama for playing golf. And as I mentioned yesterday, I'm proud to report that President George W. Bush agrees with me.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why is golf such a hot button issue?
GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT: You know, I see our president criticized for playing golf. I don't. I think he ought to play golf.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why is that?
BUSH: Because I know what it's like to be in the bubble and I know the pressures of the job and to be able to get outside and play golf with some of your pals is important, for the president. It does give you an outlet.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a good release then?
BUSH: I think it is and I think it's good for the president to be out playing golf.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BECKEL: Well, good for you, George W.
What do you think, Eric? You seem to jumping on him all the time about playing golf.
BOLLING: Well, I'm not so -- well, OK, yes. So I do. He plays a lot of golf.
BOLLING: I heard all about it.
But my (INAUDIBLE) is, he plays golf at some of the most inopportune times. He said we're going to go attack Syria and then ran from that announcement to the golf course. I think he's tone deaf on the choice of when to play.
BECKEL: There's a crisis all the time going on with the presidents. No matter where you are, what time, there's always a problem.
PERINO: But the less -- Michael Moore did a movie based on one golf swing of President Bush.
BECKEL: Well, I'm sorry to hear that.
PERINO: They're just not very gracious on the left.
BECKEL: I don't think that is --
PERINO: One of the -- a columnist of The New York Post yesterday complimented President Bush, as well, for how he's been in the post-presidency and how nice he's been to President Obama. But, of course, just to ensure that the cocktail circuit invitations keep flowing, he has to start the piece like this: "George W. Bush left a lot to be desired policy-wise as a president" and then went on to compliment President Bush.
Why can't you just pay a compliment? Pay a compliment.
BOLLING: You just read it like it was yours.
BECKEL: I don't know how to read these things. I still don't know what SOT is like. I thought it was something you did with your nose.
GUTFELD: For Obama, it's not a tee time, it's a flee time. It's how he get as way. Poor Obama making jokes about golf.
That's why Obama is a failure because he is being coddled by a pliant media who indulges him like a pot-smoking offspring of Michael Douglas.
Bush received more cheap shots in one day than a hockey player in his lifetime. So, I don't care if people are upset about his golf, make fun about Obama about everything, everything. Make fun of him constantly.
BECKEL: My, my, he's the president.
GUTFELD: No, no, no, he's had a free ride for 5 1/2 years. Rip him.
BOLLING: Kind of throws like a girl. He wears the mom jeans. We give him -- rides the -- the picture of him riding the bike with the bike helmet while Putin has his shirt off.
PERINO: You have to get Andrea in.
BECKEL: Excuse me, I want to get Andrea in here, because I thought she's going to support President Obama.
TANTAROS: Of course, of course.
I really don't care that he plays golf. But I do think that would he ever do what George W. Bush did and say, I'm going to a break from golf because of the families of the fallen? He would never do that.
There was a bombing on Christmas Day and he stayed in Hawaii. It's bigger than golf. It's how he --
TANTAROS: -- how he handles crises that are happening. I know there is a crisis every day but, Bob, there's been serious issues and the president has been completely out to lunch and Benghazi is one of them. Where was he that night?
BECKEL: I don't know. And I want to still want to know who did that tape.
OK, "One More Thing" is up next.
GUTFELD: Yee-ha. Time for "One More Thing".
BECKEL: OK. So, a FOX contributor wrote a hit piece on me this morning, Bernie Goldberg called me, quote, "one of those true blue conservatives" like being a conservative was a bad thing. But he writes "Ted Cruz is the rookie U.S. senator from Texas who if he worked at FOX would be Eric Bolling. Like Bolling, Cruz is on a mission. He wants Republicans to stand up for their conservative principles."
Yes. And Goldberg and his ilk trashed us for being too conservative like they're putting a scarlet "C" on our lapels, our aprons, our work boots, and our Kevlar vests, but, Bernie, you and that dying breed of old school Republicans should take note, there's a new breed of conservatives and we're the voice of the future.
We stand up for smaller government, lower taxes and we demand our leaders respect our Constitution. So, go ahead, write your hit pieces on true blue conservative, we wear them like badges of honor because of American political landscape is on the move and you and your nearly extinct herd of old school politicians can't do a damn thing about it.
So, say good night, Bernie. Have the establishment hit the lights on your way out.
BECKEL: You know, you wrote that in the teleprompter.
BOLLING: I wrote it.
GUTFELD: I thought it was a compliment.
GUTFELD: What he said.
BOLLING: No, no, no. Read the piece, and then read the comments.
GUTFELD: All right. Bobby.
BECKEL: Oh, is it my turn? OK, I hate to do this to him because I've had this problem once or twice, but, you know, Dick Cheney had a little problem with guns, if you remember. He turned around and shot one of his fellow quail hunters in the face. Which was OK, the guy lived.
And then Dick was out with two of his buddies for a big-time champion one-time elk national championship and his two partners both got their bucks with a rifles and dick got his lined up, pulled the trigger and it didn't go off because he had bad ammunition.
So, Dick, it's happened to me before and a lot of people but for you -- probably wasn't a good idea. You know, because people remember those things.
TANTAROS: I know what you're thinking. I know what you're thinking.
GUTFELD: Yes, yours was a metaphor for something else.
TANTAROS: I was going to say it. Your smile said it all.
PERINO: Dick Cheney has a book coming out next week.
BECKEL: Yes, be sure to get it online.
PERINO: If you had an extra 10 grand to spare, what would you spend it on?
GUTFELD: I don't know, an anti-Dana Perino force field.
PERINO: You might be able to get one, but you could get this. This is an actual gold iPhone and on eBay, believe it or not, it went for $10,000. Like this is proof that people have a little bit too much money to throw around.
TANTAROS: I wouldn't spend it on a phone.
BECKEL: It's a regular phone?
TANTAROS: It's an iPhone, it's gold plated.
BECKEL: Don't tell Eric about that. He'll start looking for it.
PERINO: Yes, Joshua, what's the ante on the OMT.
GUTFELD: That was a terrible OMT.
TANTAROS: I think I'd throw a really big party if someone just gave 10,000.
Speaking of really big parties, Willy and Carol Fowler (ph) are from Georgia. And when their only daughter decided to cancel her wedding, they decided rather than lose out on the deposit, they would bus in 200 homeless people and their children to enjoy the food and have fun at the reception.
They held the reception. This was the Hosea Feed the Hungry Charity they helped out. One their daughter volunteered for when she was younger. I just thought that was such a cool thing to do and they're probably quite relieved that she didn't marry an idiot, too. So, that's good.
GUTFELD: That's a good one more thing, Dana.
PERINO: I know. I have OMT envy.
BECKEL: You know something? You're up next so you better be careful.
GUTFELD: Look, I'm mailing it in, with this banned phrase --
BECKEL: Oh, I know the banned --
GUTFELD: Charm offensive. A contradiction in terms, but the real meaning of charm offensive is to lie. To come out and pretend you're something you're not. Just say I'm a lying tyrant from a foreign country.
PERINO: I don't think that's better.
BOLLING: And my name is Rouhani and Bob thinks I'm legit.
BECKEL: Where did that come from?
BOLLING: Well, he's on the charm --
BECKEL: That wasn't a charm offensive on your part.
GUTFELD: But, you know what you are? You are charmingly offensive, Bob.
BECKEL: I know that.
GUTFELD: Sometimes without the charmingly.
TANTAROS: Just offensive.
BECKEL: You sit at this table and you become a very (INAUDIBLE).
PERINO: Or offended.
BECKEL: Or offended. Yes.
GUTFELD: All right.
PERINO: That was very clever.
BECKEL: You know, you're supposed to be out of here.
GUTFELD: I know.
All right, see you tomorrow. You know what's next? Something we like to call "Special Report." You might want to watch it. It's pretty good.
BECKEL: We shall over --
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