Stakes are high for President Obama's busy week in New York

White House prepares for high-level meetings


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 23, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Oh, hello, everyone.


Happy Monday. It's Dana Perino, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob

Beckel, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."


PERINO: All eyes on the U.N. tomorrow as the 68th General Assembly

kicks off. The stakes are very high for President Obama. Iran's nuclear

ambition, Syria's chemical weapons, and Israeli/Palestinian tensions.

Believe it or not, Ed Henry is here in New York with the president.

We're happy to have him in studio.


mess you up there at the beginning.

PERINO: I must be really nervous you're here. Someone from my past

is going to join us.

Before we get started with the substance, I want to be clear, are you

OK with everything that's going to happen to your career from this point



HENRY: You should call it "The Six" just for today.

PERINO: Well --


PERINO: Well, the way I'm going, I probably will call it something

else by the end, as in not good.

HENRY: I'm excited.

PERINO: OK, it's good to have you.

OK. So, can you set up the week for us? Last year, President Obama

didn't have any meetings with any foreign leaders during the election year.

This year, he's got a full dance card.

HENRY: Last year, it was right before the election. They didn't

want, you know, an errant syllable here or there on a foreign policy issue

to blow up and have Romney pick it up.

Now, he has to face the fact that there is a full plate of national

security crises that he has to deal with. He was re-elected. He believed

he had a mandate. On both the domestic and foreign policy front, he's had

one crises after another and hasn't really gotten a lot of what he wanted

to get.

So, here's his chance because we've seen the problems pile up. If he

can get something with Iran, for example that gets him to take a step back

from their third for nuclear weapons, that's a huge if, but if he can get

that, maybe he'll start making some progress on these issues but there's

skeptics everywhere.

PERINO: That's a huge "if" on Iran. So, one of the questions is

whether or not President Obama would be willing to meet with them. It

looks like for the first time since 1979, John Kerry, the secretary of

state, is going to meet with the leader of Iran. Do they really think this

is a good idea?

HENRY: What seems possible to me is some sort of like a hallway

Putin-esque kind of thing where they don't have a formal one on one and you

don't confer that power of the presidency on the new Iranian president but

a little hallway encounter where they say there's some openness.

But look, you know, it's similar to what's happening with the Russians

on the Syria deal where, you know, it looks good on paper. But already,

the first deadline was missed. There are cracks in the deal that was

sealed in Geneva.

So, you know, hope springs eternal. But, you know, will the fine

print mean anything? You've already seen Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli

prime minister, saying he's going to take a hard line against this. That's

not a shock. But his problem with it, is that this might be the way it was

with North Korea years ago, where they just bought more time and that give

them the time to actually get nuclear weapons.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Yes, there's a little difference here. Rouhani

has said -- the Iranian president said, without any question, we are not

building nuclear weapons.

HENRY: That's what we said.

BECKEL: That's what he said, but we hadn't heard that before.

Then, he's going into the Nuclear Nonproliferation Committee meeting

where he will repeat that again. If they do do that, it seems to me what

he's doing is coalescing the world around him if he's not telling the


What in the world are people saying is wrong with Obama having a

meeting with this guy, hallway, bathroom, wherever?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Can I respond to that? The reason why there's

an issue with this is because when Iran talks, they also act. So, they'll

negotiate while building centrifuges. They do one thing -- they can

actually multitask. Where all Obama does is he talks, he speaks softly and

carries a big thesaurus.


HENRY: This is something he has to show this week. Is it just

reactive on a lot of these issues? Like, the Syrian issue, there was a

diplomatic opening there. But it was almost accidentally where John Kerry

gets one question, throws it out there, his staff immediately said, no, he

didn't mean to say that. But then the Russians said, well, maybe we'll do

a deal so the White House and State Department said, OK.

PERINO: Brilliant.

HENRY: Very reactive. But will he be able to seize the initiative

with Iran or is it just reacting to the new opening from the new Iranian

president? And not actually looking forward down the field as to action?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Couple of quick points. I can't imagine

they're going to get -- clearly nothing signed.

HENRY: Not this week.

BOLLING: So, what's the point? You go to meeting and you say you've

met with the Iranians. What does that tell the rest of the world?

You're meeting with a terrorist organization, terrorist funding -- the

funding arm of most terrorism around the world. And you're putting the

American people in the room with them and I think you're sending a bad

signal on the terrorists. You're sending certainly a bad single to Israel

and maybe you're sending a bad signal --

HENRY: The counter to that is by not talking to them what is Iran


BOLLING: What --

HENRY: They're getting closer and closer to getting nuclear weapons.


BOLLING: Well, no, no. Well, not --

HENRY: Well, they are.

BOLLING: Yes, but by talking to them, I don't think you make them

further away from getting them.

HENRY: Maybe not, but you can try.

BOLLING: Can I just point one more thing out? You know what this is

going to be the one year anniversary of, when President Obama went to the

podium at the U.N. and said, you know what Benghazi was, Benghazi was all

about that video. I wonder if anyone is going to bring that up and say,

you know, you guys were blatantly, blatantly hiding what you actually knew

was going on a year. I'd love to hear something --

BECKEL: Kim, can I -- do you mind if I ask Kimberly a question?


PERINO: I would love to hear what Kimberly thinks.

BECKEL: The Iranians, I know you don't trust the Iranians. Very few

people do. But after they've said that publicly, for the first time

definitively, by the president of that country, we will not build nuclear

weapons, we're building domestic energy plants. Does it hurt to sit down

after that breakthrough and say, exactly what it you mean?

GUIFOYLE: If you really honestly believe that they're being truthful,

which I don't, but I'm coming from a place of cautious skepticism and with

good historical reason -- you think this is a move forward in the right

direction, and you honestly believe that negotiations or sitting down with

them are going to be fruitful both for the United States and

internationally, from foreign policy perspective, then I guess you would do

it. And perhaps that's their reasoning. I'm more distrustful of it, so I

doubt it.

GUTFELD: But think about all of these scandals. Whether Eric

bringing up Benghazi, you bringing up Syria. They're already in the

rearview mirror, like everything else, a shelf like of an Obama scandal is

less than an open container.

BECKEL: What is the scandal about Syria?

GUTFELD: The way he reacted.

BECKEL: That was a scandal?

GUTFELD: Yes, the way he was embarrassing, he blew it. My point is,

his scandals have less of a shelf life than an open container of mayo. Let

me finish my sentence.

BECKEL: I'm sorry.

GUTFELD: He doesn't throw people under the bus, he just drives right

over them.

BOLLING: You know what, though, he tries to drive over them, realizes

the American people don't want the bus driven that way, then he walks it

back, he pulls the bus back, and goes, you know, we were actually thinking

about doing that anyway. Thankfully --

GUILFOYLE: Is that a red line metaphor?


BOLLING: Bob, what in the world makes you think you can trust

anything Rouhani says? He doesn't run the country. You know who runs the


BECKEL: I don't trust --


BECKEL: That's not the point. The point is you have to sit there and

have a conversation. It doesn't hurt. It may not help. It may end --

GUTFEDL: But you've got to act while you talk. That's what the

Iranians do. They act and they talk while they're negotiating, they're

building things. We just talk. That's the problem.

BECKEL: What difference does it make? If they're building them

anyway --


GUTFELD: The talking allows them to build.

BECKEL: Ed, does the Russian press corps consider Syria a scandal,

the way --

HENRY: No, I hadn't heard it described that way before. You could

describe the way the president's backed into this sort of almost fortunate

diplomatic --

GUTFELD: How about incompetence? Can we call it incompetence


HENRY: That's your word, not mine.

What I would say is that he struggled week to week on this and said

one week, you know, we're not going to go to Congress, we're going to do

this on our own. We were at the edge of military action, then he pulled

back and said, let's go to Congress. They didn't have the votes. They

said, well, no, let's not go to Congress.


HENRY: So, nobody knows really where they are. But, look, if he can

get this breakthrough with the Russians on Syria without ever firing a

shot, that's not necessarily a bad thing. So, I don't think that's the


GUTFELD: When Bush does something, it's buffoonery. When Obama does

it, it's a struggle. He's trying so hard.


PERINO: He's just communicated better.


PERINO: Included in another subject we're going to talk about. You

remember last week, the horrible shooting in Washington, D.C. at the Navy

Yard that resulted in 12 people being killed. Take a look at President

Obama last night in Washington.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I do not accept that we

cannot find a commonsense way to preserve our traditions, including our

basic Second Amendment freedoms and the rights of law-abiding gun owners,

while at the same time reducing the gun violence that unleashes so much

mayhem on a regular basis. And it may not happen tomorrow and it may not

happen next week. It may not happen next month. But it will happen.


PERINO: OK, just practical reality, Ed, how is it going to happen?

HENRY: Well, that's what's significant. He's almost reluctantly

saying, look, I don't know if it's next week, next month, next year, it's

going to happen at some point.

That's a lot different after Newtown when it was a call to action. He

said, we've got to do it. We're going to do it.

This is a president who has hit brick wall after brick wall on these

issues and is confronting a new reality, which is he's almost done with his

first year of his second term with virtually no domestic achievements.

GUILFOYLE: No accomplishment.

HENRY: He didn't get immigration reform, hadn't got gun control,

didn't get a grand bargain budget deal.

These are not attacks. These are facts. So, he's trying to turn it

around as quickly as he can because come next year, he's got no political


BECKEL: While we got you here, immigration -- is the assumption that

immigration is dead through 2014?

HENRY: There's a hope signed the White House after some of these

primary deadlines in early 2014 are done, meaning, you know, a Republican

finds out he or she doesn't have a conservative primary opponent, that

after that closes, they might actually cut a deal on immigration, because

they won't fear, you know, a primary challenge from the right.

But I think that's a little too optimistic. If there's anything --

BECKEL: One more, can I ask a second follow-up question?

HENRY: Sure, please.

BOLLING: Is it on the things we were --

BECKEL: I was curious about the answer to that.

GUILFOYLE: You're like a commercial break question.

BECKEL: Wayne LaPierre went on one of those shows yesterday and said,

gee, if we all had gun, we'd all be fine. But what Obama is calling for

here is an expanded background check. Why do they not think that's

possible to get through? I mean, any cretin would understand the

importance of that.

HENRY: It's important to do, on one hand. On the other hand, the

shooter in this case, there were background checks that were done and they

didn't find a problem. And so, it proves that there's still cracks in the

system, unfortunately. So unless you come up with some fool proof

background check, it's still a hard case on Capitol Hill because of the


BECKEL: Well, because if you had a background check --


HENRY: It doesn't mean you couldn't fight for it.

BECKEL: Anybody who has a gun that goes into a mental institution

should be checked.

BOLLING: You know what this is -- this is Beckel filibustering

because he doesn't want to get to ObamaCare or Lois Lerner.

PERINO: But we are going to get to ObamaCare. We're going to get

ObamaCare right now.

GUTFELD: Can I just comment on guns? I don't know if that was the

right place to talk about guns, because if you -- could have gotten maybe

specific about what you meant. But he pretends to compromise on this issue

-- who is he compromising with? The left and the far left?

There's no other -- there's no one else he's talking to about guns.

If he would, he would talk about mental health. It's not really about

rounding up guns. It's about looking at the people who have guns. I don't


Gun free zones create a fair ground of sitting ducks.

BECKEL: That's the American people, somebody who was at a mental --

in a mental institution, should they have guns? You ask them.

BOLLING: Well, they can't. And we've done this time and time.

GUILFOYLE: The law's in place already, Bob.

BOLLING: If you've been admitted into a mental institution --

BECKEL: He was, he was.

BOLLING: Forcibly admitted against your will, then you cannot get a

gun. He was not, Bob, ever.

BECKEL: I'm saying anybody --


PERINO: That's what happens, it become, a strongman argument where

there's nothing really to fight against. He's not arguing against anybody.

And he's not compromising with anybody on anything, including ObamaCare.

Let's take a look at some of the things President Obama said about

ObamaCare in the past.


OBAMA: We will keep this promise to the American people. If you like

your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period.

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

This is not some government takeover. If you like your doctor, you

can keep seeing your doctor.


PERINO: And then, in "The New York Times" today, on the front page,

it was like a revelation, Greg, that actually, if you want to see your

doctor, you can't necessarily see your doctor.

GUTFELD: I cannot believe you took him out of context like that. And

you took it and you edited it -- you made it look like he was talking about

your doctor when he was talking about Dr. Pepper.

He was arguing in defense of removing Dr. Pepper from schools and you

made it look like he was talking about M.D.s. This is what I hate about

FOX News.

BECKEL: What he didn't do was matching that story said for most

people who are poor in lower, middle class, they were going to get their

monthly premiums were going to go down and the people who are wealthier who

can afford it are going to be able to keep their own doctors.

So, now, we've got ObamaCare proving you can lower your monthly

payments and you will be able to go to --

BOLLING: You just made a comment that is factually inaccurate.

BECKEL: What's that?

BOLLING: No premiums have gone down. In fact, they've gone up.

BECKEL: If you read that story --

BOLLING: They've risen faster than they were rising prior to Obama

coming on.

BECKEL: If you read that story, it says, with ObamaCare, they will go


GUILFOYLE: But they have not gone down yet. So, you're forecasting

the future.

BECKEL: Maybe in 3020.


PERINO: Ed, from the communications perspective when you talk to the

White House, are they concerned that this is -- that ObamaCare continues to

be like lead weights around their ankles? October 1st is when the

exchanges supposedly open. And there's, you know, they've understandably

got what the problem.

HENRY: It's a struggle for them. They haven't been able to

communicate this effectively with the American people. You see polls

turning against the president's health care law. Month to month to month,

it's been getting worse.

What they're hoping inside the White House is they'll get past the

speed bumps with Ted Cruz and others, and in the end they're going to save

the law and then once these benefits start kicking in, it's going to be

harder and harder for Republicans on the Hill to fight it, but they haven't

gotten to that yet.

BECKEL: Ted Cruz is not a speed bump, he's a big hole in the ground.



PERINO: Kimberly, do you want to comment on ObamaCare?


GUILFOYLE: After Bob had his little truth serum sips during the show.

PERINO: You want to talk about ObamaCare, Kimberly, or should we move

on to Lois Lerner?

GUILFOYLE: I think we should move on to Lois Lerner.


GUTFELD: Can I say something? Just a point, saying ObamaCare is

cheaper is like saying a bus fare is cheaper than a plane fare. You can

travel across country but it will take you a week and you'll be sitting

next to Richard Greco. So, the idea --

PERINO: And there's no clean bathroom.

GUTFELD: I'm telling you, this reveals the hypocrisy of the left.

It's only the poor who take the bus, and they're happy with that.

BECKEL: At least they'll get there.



GUTFELD: If they survive. There's only one route.

PERINO: Well, you've got to keep up with the analogies on "The Five".

That is one of our specialties. Lois Lerner, remember her? She was at the


I've got a theory. She announced today she's going to retire. After

I think five or six months of getting paid while on leave, had a great

summer vacation. Now, she's going to retire with no problems whatsoever.

She pled the Fifth. I think this is what we should -- this is my new

theory on this, Ed. I don't need any more investigation. I think we know

exactly what happened.

We know she was a political favorite. She went to the IRS because of

her connections with FEC. She targeted the Tea Party in particular at the

request of the political appointees at the White House. And now, we're

just left with pretty much nothing.

HENRY: There's never been that last piece, though, there's never been

proof that the White House actually directed it.

PERINO: Do you think there ever will be, Kimberly?

HENRY: Once Lois Lerner's gone.

GUILFOYLE: No, because now she's been silenced. They gave her

essentially cement boots in the form of retirement, so we're not going to

hear from her.

That's their play. That's their chess move. They've been able to use

that successfully. Not just here but in other places where they've had

problems or, quote, "scandals" in the administration.

So, it's shameful because the American people deserve the answers.

And she should be forthright, but she hasn't been from the beginning.

HENRY: She wanted to spend more time with her family on a bus.

GUILFOYLE: Right, on the bus.

BOLLING: I think you can call her again.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, you could and they should be.

BOLLING: And she'd probably take the Fifth again.

GUILFOYLE: If they can find her.

BOLLING: I also like -- it's a little bit off topic. General Ham, I

want to talk for five seconds, they're telling us to wrap. But Benghazi,

General Ham again and again, we talked about it, I called five different

phone numbers for this guy.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my gosh, you're stalking him.

BOLLING: Why don't they call -- one of the panelists call General Ham

to testify and tell the American people --

HENRY: I think Darrell Issa and some have tried.

BOLLING: What we need to see --

PERINO: Where is he?

BOLLING: Yes, where is he? We can't find him. Five phone calls,

five different phone numbers.

GUILFOYLE: Where's Ham?

HENRY: He's on a bus.


GUILFOYLE: With Lois Lerner?

BECKEL: A quick comment about ObamaCare since I haven't yet --

PERINO: Yes, you did.

BECKEL: On the IRS scandal.


BECKEL: I don't think it came from the White House. I'm sure glad

somebody thought of it. This is politics. It's a tough business.

BOLLING: Glad someone targeted the Tea Party?

BECKEL: Yes, indeed.

PERINO: This is after you said it was the biggest scandal? Bob, do

you realize we have all these clips for weeks of you saying this was the

biggest problem, that this is wrong?

BECKEL: It's a terrible problem.

PERINO: And you said it was wrong.

GUILFOYLE: Now you're happy?

PERINO: You realize that?

BECKEL: Of course, I realize that.

PERINO: Now it's not wrong?

BECKEL: Of course, it's wrong. It's terrible. It's wrong. They did

it to delay --

PERINO: Now you're saying it's a good idea?

BECKEL: I'm saying if I were sitting there -- if I were sitting

there, I would have done it.

HENRY: Guys, the bus is leaving.

PERINO: OK, the bus has run other me on this Monday.

HENRY: I've got to go.

PERINO: Ed, aren't you glad you came?

HENRY: I'm getting on the bus.

PERINO: Directly ahead on "The Five", over the weekend, Islamic

terrorists massacred at least 60 people in Kenya and attacked a Christian

church in Pakistan. New developments on both those stories with Greg

Gutfeld when we come back.


GUTFELD: The terrorists slaughtering innocents at a Nairobi shopping

center had quizzed the victims on the name of Muhammad's mom as criteria

for being spared. So far, at least 60 have flunked the Islamic pop quiz.

They died at the hands of cowards. The conclusion, convert, at least on


Fact is, it's hazardous to your health to travel while Christian, or

Hindu, or anything else non-Muslim. Maybe travel agents should give us the

cliff notes to Islam in case you come face-to-face with an angry faith.

Having a hijab could save your life.

This doesn't happen in America. We don't kill if you're wearing -- if

you're not wearing plaid pants. Yet, we're the infidels. Perhaps we just

don't believe strongly enough.

I know people are going to ask where are the moderate Muslim

condemning such actions? But CAIR, the Council on American Islamic

Relations did on twitter. It's Michigan executive director rebuked, the

Jews. He mocked those damn money-grubbing Jews who went to the Kenyan mall

to help stop the bloodshed because they have stores there.

The idiot then condemned the attack as an afterthought. But you know

where his heart or mind was.

Worse, our government actually paid this guy to speak abroad about

American backlash against Muslims. Meanwhile in Pakistan, the Taliban

homicide bombed a Christian church, killing 75 people. The worst attack on

the Christian minority there.

The old saying is you attract bees with honey. But I'm not sure the

religion of peace sees it that way at times. I'm more convinced that the

zealots of Islam seek to prove the existence of heaven by creating a hell

here on Earth.

You know, we've been talking about this before the show, Eric. Do you

think -- we haven't had a shopping mall terror attack in the United States.

Are we just lucky?

BOLLING: Well, you know, depends on how you define terror.

Apparently, if you can hold up a gun and shoot 13 people saying Allahu

Akbar, it's not a terror attack.

I'm not -- look, here's the issue -- I think your monologue is

fantastic. You take your life in your hands any time you travel outside of

the United States, especially if you're Christian. An American Christian

at the utmost.

They say Islam is the religion of peace, but they have to start

proving it. They're not proving it anywhere.

BECKEL: They're not the religious of peace. They are the religion of

Islamic -- listen, people who are supposedly peaceful, you moderate Muslims

out there.

Listen, I know I've been on this thing for a long time. But the time

has come for you to stand up and say something. I repeat what I said

before -- no Muslim students coming here with visas. No more mosques being

build here until you stand up and denounce what's happened in the name of

your prophet.

It is not what your prophet meant, as I know. I don't know what his

mother's name, I don't care.

The point is that the time has come for Muslims in this country and

for other people around the world to stand up and be counted. If you

can't, you're cowards.




GUTFELD: All right.

GUILFOYLE: All righty then.

GUTFELD: What do you think about the threat here? I think there were

two attempts here that were stopped before they happened.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I think we've been diligent. We have every reason

to do so. I think the minute we start to cut back, OK, and not be

diligent, we're going to be in trouble.

This is just an example of how easy it is for something like this to

happen. It's shocking. It's horrible. I mean, there was an eight month

pregnant woman who was murdered because she wasn't Muslim, OK. It's heart-


PERINO: And she was there working on malaria project for the Clinton

Global Initiative. She's British.

GUILFOYLE: Nobody's safe. You travel abroad, really, depending on

where you're going, you're really taking your life in your hands, because

the intolerance, the violence, the persecution of non-Muslims hatred is

staggering. And people should be worried. They should be afraid.

BECKEL: Maybe I'm wrong. Has anybody heard from the head of any

Muslim country, any cleric, anybody heard from any --

GUILFOYLE: Have you heard from CAIR?

BOLLING: Have you heard from Rouhani?


BECKEL: He's not my buddy. The point -- the fact of the matter is,

they don't stand up. They won't speak out.

And you're going to continue to get this. You're going to get it from

me. You may not care.

But I'm telling you, unless you stand up and try to give some sense of

responsibility for what your religion stands for and what these fanatical

idiots, what you ought to is ban them from the church, which you won't do

it. You know why? Because you're afraid you're going to get shot.

GUTFELD: Well, actually, you know what's interesting. It is really

about a fear of being killed. Isn't that why people are quiet?

PERINO: And then the idea is to then strike fear into how we live our

daily lives. They hate freedom because freedom is against everything they

believe in, extremists.

This is why it was called the global war on terror. So, we -- I think

that this is the ultimate battle of good versus evil.

I also kept saying -- Jesse waters of the "O'REILLY FACTOR" had a

piece just two weeks ago I think it was where he had gone to this national

Muslim convention here in New York City and all of these young people, they

were people that you would want to -- well, maybe not have a beer with I

guess. Maybe have a sandwich.

They were really nice young kids. And their leaders are doing them a


BOLLING: Throw this out here very quickly, Bob. We buy oil from

Iran. And globally, Iran takes that money and finances terrorism around

the world.

BECKEL: We don't buy it.

BOLLING: Terrorists kill people, innocent people and create terror in

malls. At some point, you don't sit down with Rouhani or the Iranian

people --

BECKEL: You do not buy oil from Iran.

BOLLING: Bob, I will tell you, unequivocally, we buy oil, not

directly from Iran, but we buy oil from people who buy oil from Iran.

There is --


BOLLING: Do me a favor. Don't talk to me about oil. Twenty years in

the oil business, I will tell you there is Iranian oil in our refineries.

BECKEL: You said we buy from Iran.

BOLLING: Bob, you want to talk about --


GUILFOYLE: Bottom line, we have it from them, that's just the fact.

GUTFELD: All right, I'm being yelled at.

Ahead on "The Five": Is North Korea a drug user's paradise? We'll tell

you about the meth epidemic happening inside the communist dictatorship,

coming up. Don't go away.


BOLLING: All right, a couple of stories that are sure to make your

blood boil, if you care about the direction America is heading under

President Obama. A father dares question the curriculum his kids are being

taught in a public school and the federal government spending your tax

dollars to praise Islam's contribution to women's rights. We'll get to

that one in a moment.

But, first, watch Robert small try to ask teachers in a Q&A forum in

Maryland about the Common Core curriculum.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) community knowledge. That's what it

boils down to. (INAUDIBLE)


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let him ask his question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're sitting here like coward. You have

question. They don't want us to do it in public.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Do the research. Do the research.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, they're concerned --


BOLLING: All right. K.G., let me start with you. Here's a dad

trying to ask a question, apparently the way it was supposed to work out is

they have to submit their questions. It's a common concern. He wasn't

thinking he wasn't going to be able to get his question.

GUILFOYLE: He wasn't the popular question. You saw that guy behave

horribly, quote/unquote, "security guard" that pushed him, shoved him

around, and basically, you heard him banged up against the door on the way


That's because you're asking a question about your child's education

and the curriculum in the school, OK, tax dollars? You don't have a right

to ask? What country is this?

BOLLING: All right. Greg?

GUILFOYLE: Manhandled? Awful.

GUTFELD: You know, it's funny, when you see stuff like this, the

media tends to romance all kinds of protests when it involves students, you

know, marching against Israel or mocking Petraeus. That stuff is OK,

because it has no relevance to how you live.

Here's a guy -- his politics are local. It's his kids. So it's

actually a legitimate kind of protest. Maybe he didn't follow the rules.

But it's mocked. It's seen as silly because he's a parent dealing

with his kid. You know, that's funny. But, however, if he was doing a

sit-in or a hungry strike at Columbia, it would be romanticized.

PERINO: I think there are few things you get more passionate about

then your children's education. He might not have a choice but to send his

kids to public school. A lot of people, if they had the mean, might say,

I'll choose to go some place else, Catholic school or some sort of private


But a lot of people don't have that choice. There's not the voucher

system that he might want. When he says you are cowards, you have

questions too and you're not asking them, it could be that he was actually

asking questions for other people as well. It just got -- maybe got caught

up in the moment, but I thought the way he was treated was terrible.

GUILFOYLE: And he was retreating away when --


BECKEL: That board of education -- I've heard them a lot louder than

that. I think the guy had legitimate questions.

But when you open this by saying under Obama, I say, once again, let's

impeach Obama so we don't have local school boards have problems.

BOLLING: You got a lot of positive Twitter reaction you said on


GUILFOYLE: People think you finally figured it out, Bob.

BOLLING: Hold on, next up, the National Park Service is creating

quite controversy over hosting an anti-Muslim Islamophobia video. In it,

young girls talk about the ways America is unfairly treating Muslims and

that Islam is accepting of women. Take a listen.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People think that Islam oppresses women and

there's no equality. But they're wrong. There's equity.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In some case, women had a whole bunch

(INAUDIBLE). Western women acquired later in the 19th and 20th centuries.


BOLLING: Yes, the parks department that posted this video is the same

one who claims to be broke, closing national parks due to sequester.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: Dana --

PERINO: That's my point. We're tracking. We're going to see a lot

of nervousness from the National Parks Service, may have to shut down

because of the sequester, or because of government shutdown, which I don't

-- I'm not advocating for. But it is curious what they are able to spend

their time on and the government's ban on these types of things.

BOLLING: Huge question, Greg, why is the National Park Service

involving itself in Muslim women's issues?

GUTFELD: Tolerance. The whole trend of tolerance infects everywhere.

Sometimes it's legit, other times it's just silly.

My belief is that this was done by an intern. They need to give her

something to do. It's a project. Just do the tolerance video on the

voting rights of Muslim women and how that's superior to American women.

Either that or clean the coffee maker. She chose the video.

BOLLING: I want to bring it around very quickly. One of these young

ladies, very nice young ladies, says, you know, what they don't understand

about Islam, there's so much equality in Islam. In Islam, they talk about

having to wear --

GUILFOYLE: OK, there's so much equality. So, if a woman is raped

under Sharia law, then the woman has, it has to be witnessed by at four

men, otherwise, they'll just stone her to death. I mean, this is honor

killings. All this is well-documented, happening in the name of their


So, this is just completely duplicitous and a waste and inappropriate

use of tax dollars.

BOLLING: Mr. Beckel, you talk about fair and balanced. Where's the

fair and balanced here? I didn't see a Christian video. I didn't see a

Jewish video.

GUTFELD: What about gay rights?

BOLLING: There is one.


BECKEL: -- fair and balanced, whatever that money, I would have taken

it and saved one redwood tree and kept these women off the air.

BOLLING: You are really cranky today, Beckel.

BECKEL: I'm not cranky. Muslim community, it's time for us to start

speaking out about this.

GUILFOYLE: Part of the solution, right, Bob? Versus part of the


BECKEL: They don't have any solutions.

BOLLING: Up next, some surprises and some not so surprising moments

at last night Emmys. What did "The Five" think about the big award show ands

what are some of the must-see shows this fall besides "The Five", of course?


BOLLING: After the break. Don't go away.


GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, it was Hollywood's big night at the 65th Annual

Primetime Emmys Awards last night.

And "Breaking Bad" and "Modern Family" took the top prizes for best

drama and best comedy series. More than 17 million people watched, Bob,

you were glued to the set. Looking at the screen.

What were you doing?

BECKEL: I was flying out there to be there on the red carpet and my

plane was delayed so I couldn't be there.

The only thing I would say is why "House of Cards" did not get more

awards, I do not know. Whoever votes for this -- you vote for "Newsroom"?

That thing -- it's a cheap horrible show compared to "House of Cards." I

mean, so, bah!

GUILFOYLE: OK, that was interesting. You bah humbug that.

OK, Greg. What did you like?

GUTFELD: I agree with Bob. Jeff Daniels winning over Bryan Cranston,

"Newsroom," which is obnoxious, left wing flap doodle, was a sad moment.

But I want to point out, just overall, award shows are basically

funerals for the living. It's amazing that people who get the most

attention in the history of the world, celebrities, need to have a show to

still tell them how important they are. They need stars to tell stars that

they're special. Weird. It's weird.

PERINO: Yes. They all looked really bored too at the beginning.

GUTELD: Well, they're all high.

PERINO: Oh, well, I guess there's a lot of anticipation, you could

probably get a little nervous.

GUTFELD: And meth (ph).


Now, Mr. Bolling, you are my personal TV guide. I just ask you what

should I watch and then you told me "24," but I'd seen that so you have

some other suggestions. Well, before, before.

BOLLING: So, "Dexter" ended last night. Fantastic series,

unbelievable series. After eight seasons.

I was going to talk about "Homeland" because I love that and it's

starting next week. But I have to talk about Stephen Colbert.

My friend Stephen Colbert last night took home for the first time the

best variety show. Beat Jon Stewart out. Wish him a big congratulations.

He was himself when he accepted his award. That was different, he's

out of character. His character is a cross between Bill O'Reilly and Greta

Van Susteren. I think he's a really nice guy and I love to him and

congratulations, Stephen.

PERINO: You may have helped him.


BOLLING: You think?

PERINO: Maybe you were great material.

BECKEL: That's very big of you to say that after he trashed you like


BOLLING: Couple times but --


GUILFOYLE: Listen, as long as Bolling's getting air time attention,

he's like, yes.



GUTFELD: I hope he edits out certain things --


GUILFOYLE: OK, all right. So I love always the fashion. Shocking.

I love the red carpet moments. I actually think that was the

strongest part of the show last night because it was a little bit dull. I

hate to say it. I wasn't in love, besides the dancing, Neil Patrick

Harris, I'm a fan of boogie. But I didn't, I don't know --

BECKEL: You see that woman with the flowered dress?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, did you like it, Bob?

BECKEL: That was disgraceful.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, you wouldn't turn her away.

BECKEL: I wouldn't turn anybody away walking down (INAUDIBLE) but

that dress, ooh.

GUILFOYLE: What else are some good shows? Bolling, you say "Dexter."

"Homeland." What else?

BOLLING: "Walking Dead." Loving "Walking Dead", but that's a little

bit down the road. But "Homeland" starts next week.

A lot of people are upset about the way it's all about terrorism. A

lot of stuff we talk about, politics and terror.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, you and Peter are quite the team.

PERINO: That's right. I loved "House of Card", can't wait for that

to come back. But "Justified" is my favorite. "Downton Abbey" is great.

And for competition show and actually one of the prizes was "The

Voice" on NBC which starts up I think maybe even tonight. Not that I'm

saying you should watch it.

GUILFOYLE: You should only just watch "The Five". You don't want to

pull (ph) your head with anything else, right?

PERINO: Well, Blake Shelton is one of the best judges, it's great.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Bob?

BECKEL: Well, my choice would be to see "The House of Cards", and

also to see the repeat of "The Five" at 2:00 and then see "RED EYE" at 3:00.

Those are my choices.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my goodness. You're so clever, you're able to get in.

BECKEL: Then on Saturday, I would see Eric's show, because Eric's

show is very, very good. I mean, really good.

GUILFOYLE: When you wake up in time to be on it.

BECKEL: I got on it.

GUILFOYLE: One time.

BECKEL: I was a little late once.

GUILFOYLE: Exactly. OK. Command performance as well.

Ahead on "The Five", reports that North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un is

producing massive amounts of the highly addictive drug crystal meth and he

may be looking to export it around the world. Details when we come back.


BECKEL: One of the hottest shows on TV is "Breaking Bad" and won an

Emmy for best drama series last night. It's about a high school chemistry

teacher who turns to the business of making crystal meth.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know all about your operation. My partners are

telling me that you produce a meth that's 70 percent pure, if you're lucky.

What I produce is 99.1 percent pure. So?

So it's grade school t-ball versus the New York Yankees. Yours is

just some tepid off-brand generic koala. What I'm making is classic coke.


BECKEL: All right. Walter White is a fictional character, but in the

real world North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un may be responsible for a meth

epidemic in his own country and other countries around him. Reports say

North Korea is pumping out massive quantities of methamphetamine with up to

50 percent of the people in some parts of the country hooked on the drug.

My experience, crystal meth is the most dangerous drug. It is the

most addictive, and you get to 98 percent and 99 percent, these are

scientists making this.

It's used to suppress appetites. One of the things they are doing,

clearly a country that's starving, and I guess they decided to make all

their people addicts. It's just unbelievable to me that a country could

get away with that.

Eric? Dana?

PERINO: I was going to say plus because there are so many countries

that refuse to do business with North Korea, they don't have enough hard

currency, and so they are looking for ways to export products and goods

that would be lucrative for them. And this is like a slow-moving weapons

of mass destruction. The drug addiction in their own country is going to

be lax but when it's exported to China or even over to the United States,

it could be really bad.

BOLLING: If -- if you're a dictator and your country doesn't have

oil, have you to export something, and it's not going to be terror, it's

going to be drugs and Kim Jong-un's point, I guess it's drugs.

Unfortunately, our kids -- is that hitting our shores though?

BECKEL: Oh, yes, that's the problem. One of the things is the big

meth labs are in Illinois, Missouri, Tennessee. They put out stuff that's

70 percent.

GUILFOYLE: And in southern California.

BECKEL: And, yes, southern California. It is a huge market, and if

they are probably not 98 percent, 99 percent, there are going to be a lot

of dead people.

GUTFELD: I think that 90, that was from the show "Breaking Bad," that

number. I don't know if actually North Korea is doing that. But now we

know why Dennis Rodman --

GUILFOYLE: But they have scientists making it.

GUTFELD: Now we know why Dennis Rodman is so happy and why he keeps

going over there.

By the way, if I leave in North Korea, I'd be doing meth all the time,

too. Can you blame them?

GUILFOYLE: I guess they won't care to get involved about the country

and politics and government and what's really going on there.

GUTFELD: They get killed.

GUILFOYLE: Not hungry, they are like whatever, and they are addicted

so it's like making zombies, robots.

BECKEL: If scientists are making this stuff, and they apparently

dedicated a lot of scientists doing it, it is a very high quality

methamphetamine, and methamphetamine -- I give you an example.

Methamphetamine, they call it a poor man's cocaine. A gram of

methamphetamine will last you three days. A gram of cocaine lasted me

about three minutes, but the -- it is a very, very dangerous drug.

GUILFOYLE: And it's not that difficult to make, and that's why people

are manufacturing, children getting killed because it's very explosive.

BECKEL: But "One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: You know, I like you so much that --


PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing" and because she's been so

well behaved, let's start with Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you very much. I appreciate that, Dana.

So, I just want to give you a little update. Interesting article in

"Rolling Stone" magazine that you might like and enjoy the band Mumford &

Sons. They're going to be taking a much-needed break, not going to be

performing live for a while. They played their last tour date on Friday

night in Bonner Springs, Kansas. Our senior producer loves them as well.

So great band. What?

PERINO: Wow, is that what you say that? Do you like them?

GUILFOYLE: I do like their music, it's good.

PERINO: Oh, wow.


GUILFOYLE: So mean, you're so mean.

PERINO: I'm joining Eric on calling --


GUTFELD: I don't understand what's going on.

GUILFOYLE: (INAUDIBLE) I think he's been traveling to North Korea too

often. But we wish them the best and fans are waiting for them to come

back. But --

PERINO: We will stay on this story.

Bob, you're next.

GUILFOYLE: Hazing from the left side of the table.

BECKEL: President Obama getting heat about his golf game,

particularly from Eric. I like to hear from somebody who had that office

before and what he had to say.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why is golf such a hot button issue?

GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT: You know, I see our president

criticized for playing golf. I don't. I think he ought to play golf.


BUSH: Well, because I know what it's like to be in the bubble. And I

know the pressures of the job and to be able to get outside and play golf

with some of your pals is important for the president. It does give you an


UNIDENTIFEID MALE: It's a good release then?

BUSH: I think it is, and I think it's good for the president to be

out playing golf.


BECKEL: Enough said.

PERINO: So nice.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, you know why, because if he's out playing golf

there's less meddling in U.S. foreign and domestic policy.


BOLLING: I go very quickly, my son yesterday told me "The Five" and

"Grand Theft Auto V" have a lot in common. Number one, everyone -- all his

friends are saying I look like this guy. That's the protagonist, Michael.

But also this. If you play the game, inside there's a cookie you can

open up, and there's this guy, impotent rage. And get this -- he's a

liberal superhero who gobbles Viagra and spews liberal talking points, I

kid you not.

GUILFOYLE: That's Bob?

BOLLING: Impotent rage. You got it, Kimberly.


GUIFOYLE: You have impotent rage? That actually explains a lot.

PERINO: You have to explain cookie, not like a real edible thing.

BOLLING: If you play around in the game, you can actually get to a

television, you can change the channel to find impotent rage.



PERINO: Greg is next.

GUTFELD: Exciting news for Oakland Raider fans, they have -- it's not

a new live mascot, but it's new cartoon mascot from Nickelodeon. I was

thinking, this looks a lot like somebody I know. Well, I guess -- what the



GUFELD: That's the most idiotic -- you people are incompetent.

PERINO: It's Monday, well, that was actually my one more thing.


GUILFOYLE: Is that what happened?

GUTFELD: All right. Well done, people.

PERINO: OK, so that was my one more thing, which is Jasper got to go

to Kennebunkport, Maine. That's Jasper showing you Walker's Point, which

is where George H.W. Bush lives with Barbara Bush for most of the year. He

had to go to the beach. That's him as Jasper Cyrus, and he was on the

beach, and we've had a great Monday, and we are going to be back at it


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