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Will looming Obamacare showdown lead to government shutdown?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 19, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."

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TANTAROS: Well, it looks like there could be a showdown in Washington, D.C. over ObamaCare and the possibility of shutting down the government. Now, according to the latest polls, ObamaCare is unpopular with the American people. But if you listen to Democrats, you'd think it was just the Republicans that were crazy wants to defund the health care law.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HOUSE MINORITY LEADER NANCY PELOSI, D-CALIF.: This is playing with fire. Legislative arsonists are at work when they start using the debt limit for their own agenda.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: You have never seen in the history of the United States the debt ceiling or threat of not raising the debt ceiling being used to extort a president or a governing party.

SENATE MAJORITY LEADER HARRY REID, D-NEV.: I only hope that the anarchist and House of Representatives come to their senses before it's too late.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

TANTAROS: Hmm! Greg, aren't these members of Congress elected to do what the American people want? And overwhelmingly, they don't like the bill.

Two of the things they mentioned: extortionists and arsony are crimes. So, what's with the language? What's the big deal?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Can I just say, I'm getting really tired of these showdowns? Every month, it's high noon. It's never a showdown. It's never a showdown. It ends.

It's like this argument over the debt ceiling. It -- they treat it like it's a sunroof. First, let's take it down. Let's just decide, do you want a debt ceiling or not?

It's like one of those old stinking sweaters you had and you're afraid to throw it away. Just throw it away. Enough of this. I'm so tired of these stupid fake showdowns.

We know it's all going to be settled and we're going to talk about something else.

TANTAROS: It's like a convertible then -- top down and top up.

GUTFELD: Yes, exactly.

TANTAROS: OK. Gotcha.

Dana, there's an editorial in "The Washington Post" that outlined even if Republicans succeed at this P.R. strategy and they defund it. Harry Reid can strip the language from the bill. And even if he couldn't, President Barack Obama could veto it.

So, is this a smart strategy?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Republicans have admitted that it's not going to happen. So --

TANTAROS: They won't. Mitch McConnell is not in favor of this.

PERINO: It's a false negative that they're trying to prove. And interestingly last night, I mean, it's probably as cold in the Republican Caucus right now as it is in the studio.

(LAUGHTER)

TANTAROS: I don't know about that.

PERINO: I'm so cold. Why I am huddling over lukewarm water because it's freezing in here. That's how cold it is on the Republican side.

GUTFELD: American public does not care about your problems, Dana.

PERINO: Yes, they do, they do.

GUTFELD: They do.

PERINO: It's not so much high noon but like 11:47. I think people are pretty tired of it. It just sounds -- it becomes noise. What's interesting on the Republican side, on the defund ObamaCare side, the Senate Republicans, a few of them, not all of them, a few have been pushing this.

Now, the House says finally we're going to have to vote on this. Thirty minutes after the House announced that, then the Senate Republicans came out and said, oh, but actually, we're not going to have to vote on it. And Reid is not going to call it up. And the president would never sign it.

So, we don't have to walk the plank. But you guys charge forward, walk the plank. It's become a little bit of a sparse.

TANTAROS: So, what do you think they're gaining, Eric, if anything?

BOLLING: Well, they're on record and it's the fight --

PERINO: Who's on record?

BOLLING: The people fighting it.

PERINO: Only the House Republicans have to be on record.

BOLLING: Well, they are on record. Well, but you're seeing pay divide too. Some are saying go ahead and defund. We're going to take this to the limit if we have to shut down government. There are some who say, don't shut down government, still try to defund. Some say shut down government.

So, you're seeing where everyone stands. I will tell you, I think, what is it, 57 percent of the American public say not in favor of ObamaCare. So, it's interesting to see who says we're willing to go the distance with it. I think you're seeing people -- you're letting them put their cards in.

GUTFELD: Can I -- before you get to Bob, Obama has been amazingly successful creating the divide among his adversaries. He's like the prank (ph) who comes up behind somebody and punches them in the shoulder and that person thinks it's the other guy behind them, because he's done that, Syria, immigration, NSA. He allows the Republicans to cannibalize themselves like they're doing now -- like they're doing now.

And you know they're not going to win. It's not going to get defunded. So, it's actually fun to watch -- as a Democrat, it's fun to watch them eat themselves.

TANTAROS: I do think there's a risk, Bob, with Republicans doing this. I mean, it's a great PR strategy. It sounds good. In theory, they're standing up to a bill that people don't like.

My fear is this -- one, legislatively, they can't defund it because President Barack Obama will just veto that bill and he can find the funding on his own. My fear is that Republicans will get blamed for this. This is the fight Democrats want.

Why not just let you and your buddies own ObamaCare? The thing so bad and stinky, people will hate it. They can run against it in the midterms, they can win the Senate back and then maybe the White House on it.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, first of all, this shows the difference between reasonable Republicans and whackos in the Tea Party in the House who are holding all this up. Boehner would nothing better than not have this. But he's got to deal with these whackos. And so, he's got to go along with it.

The fact of the matter is, it makes the Republicans look bad. And if they do intend to shut down the government, then they'll take the blame. Remember the last time they did, they took a terrible beating.

Right now, Republicans are divided, and rightfully so. And I think Greg is right. Obama is smart enough to figure out how to do that. And to play with the national debt is like playing with hydrogen bomb. They have no idea what they're doing.

BOLLING: But they do know what they're doing. Honestly, most of the Republicans who you're calling wacko probably realize they're not going to get what they want. But they still have to put up the fight because it's the right fight. It's the right thing to do. It's what the people wanted.

Whackos, Bob? Whackos?

BECKEL: Yes.

BOLLING: Ones that care enough that they're willing to risk a bad, I don't know, re-election campaign, have negative stuff thrown at them. Even from fellow Republicans they're willing to risk because they believe in it, believe in smaller government.

BECEKL: Why do they elect --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: I don't call them whackos, Bob. I call them scrupulous conservatives.

BECKEL: Yes, what you call scrupulous, I call them whackos.

Look, why not just let whackos at that point, you can do away with it. This is the law of the land.

And, by the way, if they refuse to fund it, you could take them to court because it's the law of the land they have to fund the law of the land --

BOLLING: I don't think that anyone at this table who really thinks at the end of the day, that ObamaCare is going to get defunded? We all know President Barack Obama -- look at what he's willing to go to Syria. He was willing to go to Syria with 80 percent of the public against him, half his caucus against him, and all Republicans against him.

I would say this guy is willing to do whatever it takes to make himself look good. He will never sign --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: -- who are against the World War II?

GUTFELD: Bob, you're calling people whackos like Jeffrey Dahmer calling people meat eaters.

BECKEL: Really?

GUTFELD: Yes. But can I make a point? You should fight government at every possible place where you think you can win, wherever government tries to intrude where it shouldn't be. The battle should take place.

But the battle needs to be smart. I think the smart battle will always be to expend your energy -- the Republicans should expend their energy -- on the IRS, which is enforcement arm of the ObamaCare. They're the ones that are going to make this thing happen and they are the ones that targeted their political adversaries illegally earlier this year.

You go after them. You basically castrate them politically and you force them to change. That's the only way you're going to win this battle. Right?

TANTAROS: Dana, right now, President Obama and the Democrats own ObamaCare and it's called ObamaCare.

If Republicans get in the way, and the president has the bully pulpit, which you're very familiar with, he can use that bully pulpit. If Republicans try to slow it down, any problem he can say it's their fault, they did this. And then they own this partially.

Is that a risk with Republicans doing that?

PERINO: I -- it's possible. I think that this particular blip will be forgotten and it will be all just in the soup, which is probably going to be a banned phrase by the end of the show.

The interesting thing is by the end of last week, they had -- Republicans working together on all sides had the delay portion of a possible vote really in their favor, because you had the unions come out. Remember they had the meeting with President Barack Obama last week. They did not get what they wanted.

They were actually on the cusp of being able to get a delay. I don't know if they'll be able to do that. I do have a question about the strategy.

So, you have Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who -- like him or not like him, he's in a tough fight. Any leader at that leader, like Tom Daschle, had a very tough reelection fight. The defund ObamaCare people spent $350,000 in one week in ads in Kentucky against Senator McConnell --

BECKEL: Good.

PERINO: Exactly -- on a vote they knew was not going to happen, on an issue they know the president isn't going to ever have to -- that the president will turn back on them. $350,000 is a lot of money to spend for a state like Kentucky.

BOLLING: But I like this, though. I think, I mean --

PERINO: You think spending that kind of money against a Republican is smart?

BOLLING: No, I think calling out Republicans who are not on board with the program of smaller government and standing up for it --

PERINO: But they're admitting that it's not going to happen. Why spend money --

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: But wait, do you really want people to call them out, Eric?

BOLLING: Yes --

(CROSSTALK)

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: All right. How about Eric Bolling?

BOLLING: What? Go ahead. What do you got?

BECKEL: What are saying? Are you saying that Republicans are more like the Tea Party than they are about like Mitch McConnell or John Boehner?

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: But see, this is a problem with that argument, though.

BOLLING: I need to point this out --

TANTAROS: No, no, you're making a false argument. No. You're saying Republicans don't like --

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: I'd rather hear what Greg has to say.

BOLLING: Yesterday, after the show or in the break, you said do you think it's going to get defunded? I said no. I wish they would move on, but I think the fight needs to be fought.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: I think --

PERINO: That's not what you said.

BOLLING: What did I say?

PERINO: No, you said you thought it was a bad strategy and that they shouldn't do it.

BOLLING: I never said that.

PERINO: Yes, you did. It was right here on the commercial break.

BOLLING: I said I don't think they can win, is what I said.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Which is why you said it was a bad strategy. Then I said I can't believe you and I agree on this. And you said, well, yes, we do. That was in the commercial break.

TANTAROS: All right. Can I defend --

BOLLING: From the very get-go --

TANTAROS: Eric, I'm going to jump in. You tried to clear up conflicting here. I don't think you're going to do that tonight here on the show.

I think Republicans who aren't for the strategy, it doesn't mean that Republicans are in favor of ObamaCare. That's a false argument.

Here's an example. OK, we've got John Boehner, he's talking about negotiations. He makes a great point. President Barack Obama is willing to sit down with Vladimir Putin but not Republicans on this.

Take a listen to Carney.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: He can certainly meet with --

OBAMA: I did discuss this with President Putin. This is something that is not new. I've been discussing this with President Putin for some time now.

CARNEY: We're going to work with the Russians.

JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: Mr. Prime Minister, we serious as you are about engaging in substantive, meaningful negotiations.

OBAMA: Negotiations.

KERRY: We are prepared to negotiate in good faith and mutual respect.

REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: For decades, the White House, the Congress have used the debt limit to find bipartisan solutions on the deficit and the debt.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: Ok. That is a John Boehner video that features Jay Carney saying he talked with the Russians.

But, Bob, why would he talk to Republicans if it's such a popular deal on extending and delaying ObamaCare one year to save everybody from this monster?

BECKEL: He spent hundreds of hours literally talking to Republicans about ObamaCare.

TANTAROS: That's really not true.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: He did. He had them at the White House.

PERINO: No, Bob, before the bill was passed. Do you remember?

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: No, he didn't.

BECKEL: Yes, he did. He met with them over and over and over again. I certainly did. I was in Max Baucus' office when I was --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: No.

BECKEL: Yes.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Remember the time when --

BECKEL: A different planet.

PERINO: I think you're in a different planet.

GUTFELD: Planet Bob. He's on planet Bob.

BECKEL: You're saying he didn't talk to Republicans about health reform?

PERINO: That was kind of the whole point, is that he didn't have to talk to them about it. Remember, he called the big meeting and he -- the big speech -- and he called out Paul Ryan and ridiculed him in front of the nation. That was him talking to Republicans on ObamaCare.

BECKEL: He had endless --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: He did not have endless meeting. It's not true.

BECKEL: Let's see if we have meetings.

PERINO: OK, let's do it.

BECKEL: And we'll go back and we'll check the log, who's right --

TANTAROS: Bob, he outsourced that to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to begin with.

BECKEL: And, by the way, for you to say this is a great PR strategy, this is the worse PR strategy.

TANTAROS: He outsourced ObamaCare to Reid and Pelosi. He had nothing to do with it, Bob. He didn't have to phone the Republicans at all.

GUTFELD: The only time President Barack Obama compromises is when he waves you to play through. He's never compromised on anything, ever.

BECKEL: He's staying up all night coming up with this. Why do you call them?

GUTFELD: No, I just -- while you're talking and talking and talking, I have stuff to say. I zone out.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I'm keeping a second count on everybody talking to see who talks the most on the show.

GUTFELD: You know what you're going to find out?

BECKEL: I'm going to show it to you. Give me the week and I'm going to do it.

PERINO: Wait, which week? Which week are you doing?

BECKEL: Starting next Monday.

PERINO: Oh, you can't tell people beforehand. You're going to do that from before.

BECKEL: No, I'll just wait and see.

TANTAROS: All right. We've got to go. We've got to go.

I just think Republicans should push to delay this all together instead of defunding it. And then, win the House -- I mean, get more seats in the House, more seats in the Senate, and win the White House back, Bob. What do you think?

BECKEL: Oh, another whacko there --

TANTAROS: You've got to win elections to defeat ObamaCare. You've got to win elections.

GUTFELD: It's not going to change anything. The government this year collected more in tax than the history of the government. And they say they cut the deficit in half, it's like a fat buy buying larger clothes and saying, look, I've lost weight. It's never going to change.

TANTAROS: True.

BECKEL: That's what I mean. What do you think of all those things?

TANTAROS: All right. Coming up --

GUTFELD: I was doing it while you were talking.

TANTAROS: The leaders of Syria and Iran are making a PR push here in the United States by doing interviews with American journalists within the last 24 hours. But can they be trusted? We'll show you the interviews so you can decide when we come back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: Had that song in my head all day. Dierks Bentley last night on "America's Got Talent."

But we have to talk now about the fact that Greg was very chivalrous and gave me his jacket in the break. And now, we're going to talk about Iran and Syria.

BECKEL: (INAUDIBLE)

PERINO: Which are two the big problems which are facing America now in the Middle East -- Syria because of chemical weapons, Iran because of their nuclear ambitions.

And in the last 24 hours, we have heard from the leaders of both countries.

Last night, FOX News had an exclusive interview with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, and we're going to get to that in a minute.

But, first, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani makes some surprising claims about his country's so-called nuclear plans.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HASAN ROUHANI, PRESIDENT OF IRAN (through translator): We have never pursued or sought a nuclear bomb and not going to do so. We have, time and again, said that under no circumstances would we seek weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons, nor will we ever.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: "The Wall Street Journal" is reporting today that the White House is considering one-on-one talks between Rouhani and President Obama at the U.N. next week.

Bob, you have been plastered in the commercial break that you're asking who the interview is with. That was an interview with Ann Curry yesterday.

BECKEL: She had to wear that shoal?

PERINO: Yes, when you go over to interview them, then there's an acquiescence, and you respect him. So, he's granting you the interview. So, that's what you have to do.

BECKEL: If you come to my house, you have to take your shoes off.

PERINO: That's disgusting. Do you take --

BECKEL: That's a start --

PERINO: When you come to my house, you have to keep your shoes on. How about that?

You're gross.

GUTFELD: You're an awful man, I think.

PERINO: OK. Let me ask you, Eric. Last year, President Barack Obama at this time during the election year, President Barack Obama held no bilateral meetings with any world at the U.N. General Assembly. And now, there was rumors, even though the White House is being very cautious about it, there are rumors that they're actually open to the idea of a meeting with Iran.

BOLLING: Right. Because Carney said, well, we (INAUDIBLE), we have room in our schedule. Remember when Bibi Netanyahu wanted to meet with them?

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: Remember when some of our allies wanted to meet with him, but he didn't have the time to do it. To say that he will sit down with a known terrorist funding operation group like the Iranians and Rouhani I think is despicable. I mean, this guy -- to sit down with Rouhani is a major mistake.

And you want to talk about sending a signal? There's a signal to the rest of the world that you can be a terrorist organization, you can fund planes flying into the World Trade Center, killing innocent people, and sit down with the president of the United States.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Or you could fund the Syrians and provide them with chemical weapons that they use against their own people.

Bob, why do you keep so infatuated with Rouhani? I mean, is he just another wolf in sheep's clothing?

BECKEL: No, I mean, I think -- his track record was much more moderate than his predecessor, Abdemajacket (ph).

And I think that there's a possibility here there may be a little bit of a chance to break but what's wrong with talking? I mean, I don't get this. OK, so you fund terrorist and we're not going to talk to you. Well, you know, if you talk to him, you actually get some working dealings and they won't fund terrorists.

PERINO: You mean like Arafat?

BECKEL: Yes.

BOLLING: Obama said he didn't have time to sit down with Bibi Netanyahu, and Netanyahu definitely --

BECKEL: There was a reason for that.

BOLLING: You don't think there's a reason not to talk to Rouhani?

BECKEL: No. I don't think there's a reason not to talk to anybody anytime. I don't think he's right about Netanyahu. I don't think he's right about not talking to a lot of people.

TANTAROS: OK, right before Rouhani was elected, he filmed a YouTube video where he said, he said he takes credit for deceiving the West over the regime in Iran, a nuclear program and claims credit for actually expanding it. And he says we wanted to complete all of these, we needed time. Now, his position before he rose to the presidency was Iran's nuclear negotiator. So, he did expand the program and I do think he sees an opportunity because Putin has embarrassed the president.

He says, OK, you're willing to sit down with me, great, I'm going to use the American media, I'm going to manipulate them. I'm going to have you come in and I'm going to do the same thing Vladimir Putin did. I'm going to make a fool out of you.

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: There's no way they're not trying to obtain a nuclear weapon, Bob.

PERINO: Can we talk about the other topic? I want to play a sound bite from Secretary of State John Kerry on Syria. He was probably the strongest he's ever been and exasperated when it comes to Syria and chemical weapons.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KERRY: The surface-to-surface rockets used in this attack contained the nerve agent sarin. We know the Assad regime possesses the sarin and there's not a shred of evidence however that the opposition does.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: OK. Greg, your thoughts on Secretary of State John Kerry.

GUTFELD: This is pretty bizarre to me, because as Bob knows, I was against the Syrian bombing. But the big thing here is that chemical weapons work. They actually work, because originally, it wasn't about stopping chemical weapons. It was about punishing Syria.

Now, there's no punishment. Assad was going to be hung out in a yard. Now, he's got a seat at the table. It works. He got what he wanted. Kerry is angrier now than he ever was. And they have a peaceful solution when they have direct proof that this guy killed his own people and they made a fairly convincing argument and they're saying, you know what, at least we're dealing with this peacefully. That means he won, Assad won.

BECKEL: You know, there's a lot to be said about that. And I think what they ought to do is to get all these weapons, and get them destroyed and them bomb Assad --

GUTFELD: They've got to get rid of Assad basically, because he -- everybody agrees that he's the guy who did this.

BOLLING: Did you hear his proof though? Well, there's no -- we know Assad has sarin and we know those people were bombed with sarin. So, therefore -

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BECKEL: With a certain kind of missile --

BOLLIGN: We know -- that is a leap --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: He set a rocket.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: You have a knife, a guy got murdered on the corner with a knife, therefore --

BECKEL: He said a surface-to-surface missile delivery that Assad has and they don't have.

BOLLING: Are you kidding me? How many people have surface to surface?

BECKEL: I don't know. Do you have one in your backyard?

BOLLING: No. But I'm sure more than just the rebels have that. I'm sure Hezbollah has it, I'm sure Hamas has it, I'm sure there are 10 or 15 terrorist groups that could deliver.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: You're down to less than 1 percent.

BOLLING: That's a huge leap for the American people --

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: The one thing that makes me think he's guilty is that how Syria happily complied to the disposal plan. If you're innocent, you would demand that the rebels who had these missiles comply with you. He hasn't, which means he knows he's the only one that has them. That's logical.

PERINO: So, last night when Dennis Kucinich, FOX News contributor, and Greg Palkot, were interviewing Bashar al-Assad, he basically said, yes, I've got the weapons, please come and get them.

But remember two weeks ago when Assad did the interview with Charlie Rose, which is heralded as a great interview, Assad said, well, if the rebels have chemical weapons, and nobody calls him out for being a liar at that point, why are we expected -- no one called him out at that point.

TANTAROS: I think there's a great point Eric makes about Hezbollah likely having them and al Qaeda and other people having them, and Assad having them as well. Isn't the real moral though, if you really want the United States to be nice to you and sit down and have a meeting with the president, get a nuclear weapon? Isn't that the lesson here? Say you're trying to pursue a nuclear weapon arsenal and you will get President Barack Obama's full attention and a face to face meeting.

BECKEL: You neglect the evidence of the intercept of the communication between --

TANTAROS: There were more than one chemical attack.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Wait a minute, Assad's military generals, with this front line troops saying, put on gas masks, we're about to bomb. And then they bomb.

TANTAROS: That's not the attack that happened in the spring.

BECKEL: Ridiculous.

TANTAROS: No, it's not.

BECKEL: You've got to check your evidence here. I see 99 percent of the people that follow this believe he did it. You don't and so, therefore, it's wrong.

TANTAROS: I'm not saying he didn't do it. I just don't think they're mutually exclusive.

PERINO: Bob, if you don't get out here, you're not going to have time for your segment.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: It's going to be awesome, because it's coming up.

GUTFELD: He's counting your words, Dana.

PERINO: Directly ahead, here's a question, if you could give President Obama a grade, what would it be? Some historians are giving him a B minus. But the reason why might surprise. Greg has the president's report card, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: That's Bob waving.

All right. George Mason University's History News Network asked over 200 American historians to grade Barack Obama's presidency. They gave him a B minus.

Their complaints, Obama was too timid. He went after Bradley Manning. He didn't close Gitmo. He used those evil, evil drones.

They loved Supreme Court appointments, though, saying they were highly respected, i.e., liberal. The conclusion, Obama just wasn't wing enough, which makes you wonder what Obama had to do to get an A from these bozos -- make the entire military a gun-free zone? Classify being a straight, white male as a hate crime? Appoint Susan Sarandon as our peace star (ph), and make Oliver Stone secretary of state? Arrest all FNC employees for sedition?

Anyway, the whole point of this survey was to portray Obama as a moderate by showing disappointed left wing academics. But therein lies the lie, Obama is a left wing academic, which means he agrees with the grade that he got. He like them wishes he had done more.

So, I guess we should be grateful he only earned a B minus, for whatever qualifies as a good grade by a modern academic has to be bad for us. Imagine the state of our lives if he had gotten an A.

But he's got three more years. It's a shame he doesn't major in music appreciation.

PERINO: They had to cancel that event this week.

TANTAROS: I was going to say, he's had many concerts at White House, Greg, with taxpayer money.

GUTFELD: I'm for that. The more fun he has, the less work he does. That's my theory.

Bob, the great of B minus, too high, too low, about right?

BECKEL: Well, first of all, the historian, all the academic institutions -

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GUTFELD: Every time you do that, I provide evidence that proves me to be correct.

BECKEL: This is 200 professors. I think they probably thought he was not liberal enough. I think in some cases, I don't think he was liberal enough. If it were up to me, there wouldn't be ObamaCare. There would be one single payer plan for the United States. So, I don't like that.

And, so, the idea about closing Gitmo, I don't have a problem with leaving Gitmo open. You can't make all liberals the same way on everything. We're not.

GUTFELD: But you are.

BECKEL: No, we're not. You wackos are all the same.

GUTFELD: See, the thing is, I call you a liberal, you cal me a whacko.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: How could we all be the same?

BECKEL: I was about to say I excluded you from that, but I won't say that now, wacko!

PERINO: Wacko bird.

GUTFELD: Eric, fair to say that the more liberal the president, the higher the professors' grade would be.

BOLLING: Yes, he got a B minus, almost a C. But it's kind of interesting where he got his C in transparency and accountability. But then I think wait, this is a liberal survey. So, that means he was transparent.

I'm trying to figure out the reverse. Does that reflective, or does mean he wasn't very transparent? Maybe he wasn't very, so he got a C. But he did get an A in communication ability, we know that, and Supreme Court appointments, and we know that. So, we know where he's strong.

GUTFELD: Dana, you've never gotten lower than an A, right?

PERINO: No, not true.

GUTFELD: Really?

PERINO: But, yes, in your eyes.

GUTFELD: Of course.

They gave him C minus for relationship with Congress but then blamed Republicans.

PERINO: That's not his fault, that's when the professor -- did you have an editor or teacher that had to find something wrong with your paper? So, this is what they can say, is that, well, he didn't have good enough relationship, even though it wasn't his fault. I just think it was interesting they asked 400, or as they said, a few hundred, and only 200 bothered to reply. So, what else are these professors doing?

TANTAROS: They're busy at the climbing walls at campuses or the latte bars at these private universities.

BECKEL: Every one of them, too. Don't forget that.

TANTAROS: Poetry readings and things like that.

You know, he would have gotten straight A's if it wasn't for the pesky things called Congress that he doesn't get along with very well. I wish I had these professors when I was at school.

I mean, if I did as poorly in diplomacy in foreign policy which even the leftist criticized him on -- he got a B on that. I wish I had these professors when I was in school.

PERINO: What drives me crazy, is when you read an article and reporters that they need a quote from some experts in something, and they always quote professors. That drives me crazy.

BECKEL: I think you're right. By the way, anybody that's a conservative professor out there, can you rise and let us know?

GUTFELD: We will get one letter.

TANTAROS: They're scared.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: -- that Greg is not right about everyone out there.

PERINO: We will protect your identity.

GUTFELD: Yes.

Conservative professors are in a witness relocation program. They have to change their names.

PERINO: It's like conservative bureaucrats. They have to very quiet and they'll come up to you at the cocktail party and they'll say, I totally agree with you.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: Have you been to the University of North Dakota?

GUTFELD: No, I haven't.

BECKEL: It's full of right wingers.

PERINO: Really? Are you sure about that?

BECKEL: Well, I gave a speech up there and they all gave me a lot of heat.

GUTFELD: Yes. And you deserved it.

All right. Directly ahead, "Grand Theft Auto 5" is shattering records with huge opening day sales. But are violent video games like this one detrimental to kids? It's always about the kids.

Our culture in decline debate is up next on "The Five". Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Welcome back to "The Five".

Couple of culture stories we want to debate right here on "The Five".

First up, "Grand Theft Auto", the popular videogame series, put up some amazing numbers on its opening night. Worldwide sells topped $800 million. That's one night, easily blowing away all expectations and is now on its way to taking over the world's is highest grossing entertainment vehicle ever -- bigger than movies, sporting events and concerts.

Here's a little look at "GTA5".

(VIDEO CLIP PLAYS, "GRAND THEFT AUTO 5")

BOLLING: So, Bob, they lined up at midnight Tuesday night waiting for the stroke of midnight to buy it. It's $60 a pop. They expect this to sell $2 billion in sales.

BECKEL: You know, I was at the back of the line. They were out when I got there.

PERINO: What line?

BECKEL: Back of the line, right. The thing about this, kids love them because they can shoot people up. I think they're horrible. It's a free country. You can put that crap together if you want.

I want to know how they do it. That's the thing that amazes.

BOLLING: How they do that what?

BECKEL: How they make them look so real.

BOLLING: It's pretty darn real.

GUTFELD: But it's kids -- it's got -- what is it 18-year-olds? Kids probably shouldn't be using in their formative years to be looking at this stuff when they're like six.

But I mean, I can't watch this because I need escapist entertainment. That's too much like my life.

BOLLING: Thoughts?

TANTAROS: It is eerily real, although if it's a sports game like NCAA football, then it's not real, right? Wink.

I don't know how people find the time to sit and play hours worth of video games. I don't understand. Maybe I just don't have enough attention span to sit down hours on end.

But I sit for a little bit and try to play but then I get up and walk away.

BOLLING: What do you think? I mean, opening weekend, highest grossing film I believe was "Iron Man 3", the weekend, only put about $175 million on a weekend. One night at Tuesday, $800 million.

PERINO: Yes, if I stay up until midnight, I would turn into a pumpkin, which almost happened a couple of weeks ago when they do that show live, it's a long way from asteroids and space invaders, two games that I knew how to play. I think that it is a telling thing about Hollywood. Big blockbuster movies continue not to do well, people want different types of entertainment and you can have something so realistic.

I have a question -- when you play that over and over for hour, do scenarios change? How do they do that?

BOLLING: Play literally hours, because they have different levels. They can --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Dana, what time do you get up in the morning when you go to sleep at 8:00 at night?

PERINO: Well, way before you thought about getting up.

BECKEL: I'm sure.

BOLLING: He's still up from the night before.

Listen to this one, have you heard this story. Check out this picture. It's the home of the ex-NFL football star Brian Holloway's home just moments after 300 or so drunken teens trashed the place. Listen to Holloway.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRIAN HOLLOWAY, FORMER NFL STAR: Damage can be replaced. What's stolen can be returned. The thing is what are we going to do about these 300 kids? How did they get this far? How did this make sense? How do we get back on the right track?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: So, Holloway was in Florida with his family when some teens broke in. They used Twitter to attract the mob. Your thoughts about that.

GUTFELD: Two things, (a), don't tell people you're going on vacation on your social networks because that's idiotic. I'll show up at your house and go through you're underwear drawer.

The other thing is the punishment -- force kids to clean up the most disgusting toilets on earth. If you're going to urinate on somebody's private property, you've got to clean it up politically and the worst kind.

BOLLING: So, at point, Holloway, published, there you go, pictures of the teens. Parents after they put $20,000, 30,000 worth of damage to this guy's house, the parents were mad that their pictures were posted.

PERINO: Yes, they're defending their children's behavior because they're probably worried that in the future, this could come back to haunt them, because if you're say if they applied for a job with you, and you do a little Facebook search or Google search, and this thing comes up, you might think twice about hiring them, but you probably should.

BECKEL: I'd shoot sarin gas on them.

GUTFELD: Oh, Bob.

PERINO: Bob --

BECKEL: No, I'm only kidding, listen, I think in situation like this, they get away with this stuff -- I think they ought to be arrested, charged as adults and they ought to have to do a little jail time.

TANTAROS: They should be charged as adults so there's not a copycat group of individuals. You could argue they followed the bling ring, that group of young kids that was breaking into Hollywood stars homes, but they should be brought -- hit with the full force of the law.

I have one question -- Greg, would you go through Bob's underwear drawer?

GUTFELD: That's considered a super fun site. I wouldn't go near it. Or a super fun sight.

BECKEL: That's right.

BOLLING: Or MRSA sight.

Coming up --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: -- got a million dollars on "Wheel of Fortune", but he blew it big time. We'll show what happen, next on "The Five".

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECKEL: Who in the hell is that? Do you know who that is?

GUTFELD: No, I don't.

BECKEL: Good.

Can you imagine going on "Wheel of Fortune", one of the best games on TV, and blowing your way to a million? People were ready to spend their way to a million dollar chance to solve the puzzle. Check out what happened after contest Paul Atkinson that gave the wheel a whirl on Tuesday and --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PAUL ATKINSON: I'm going to solve.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right.

ATKINSON: Corno curo (ph) cabinet.

(BUZZ)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lewis, your turn.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'll solve.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Corner curio cabinet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, that's it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: Pretty big buzz kill right. Just ask Greg.

Atkinson explains what went wrong?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ATKINSON: I was so nervous. I've got, you know, Pat freaking Sajak to my immediate right, I've got lights and cameras in my face. I've never seen the word curio before.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, instead of millions, Paul walks away with 2 grand.

ATKINSON: That was my biggest nightmare. I knew that -- I knew I messed up. I knew that something could have happened. But I totally goofed it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: Yes, as a product of public education, I'm sure you're going to say.

Eric, what's --

BOLLING: No.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I thought he was close enough. Why they didn't get it to them?

BOLLING: He screwed and he didn't play by the rules. I'm sure they're told pronounce the word properly. He kind of screwed up corner as well. It sounds like he said corno curio. He pronounced it but -- he's a very likable young kid.

BECKEL: Yes, so why didn't he give him the million bucks, cheap bastards?

BOLLING: It wasn't for a million. It was for a chance at million.

PERINO: Right. But I like, I watch "Wheel of Fortune" every night, I love it. I didn't think he pronounced it that bad. But there are rules. What I love about him is that he didn't blame anybody else. He was like, OK, my fault. That was pretty impressive.

BECKEL: You watch "Wheel of Fortune" every night?

PERINO: Lifelong watcher.

TANTAROS: She loves Pat freaking Sajak, Bob.

BECKEL: Pat freaking -- what about the woman? She's -- they change her every couple of years?

TANTAROS: No, they don't. She's been there forever.

BECKEL: I tell you, she had great cosmetic surgery. Go ahead.

GUTFELD: I think this is an outrage. "Wheel of Fortune" is about letters. It' not pronunciation. I emailed Pat Sajak before the show, because we're very, very close friends. He did not respond, which is a response in itself. He's running scared from me, Sajak. And I know that.

But I'm going to take the Obama logic on this. By not winning $1 million, he saves $500,000 in taxes.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: You're from a foreign country, I mean, your Greek heritage.

TANTAROS: I was born here, Bob. My father was not.

BECKEL: But the guy has an accent or some of another?

PERINO: He's from Oregon.

BECKEL: Oh, why he's got a foreign accent?

TANTAROS: Are you a product of the public education system?

BECKEL: No, go ahead.

TANTAROS: I felt really badly for him. I have sympathy for people who mispronounce things because I talk four hours a day. Three hours on the radio, one hour here. And sometimes I make a goof and step on a phrase or mess something up. And I tell you, you people tar and feather me on Twitter. You try it.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: You talk the other 19 hours, too, right?

TANTAROS: I feel sorrow for him.

BECKEL: You feel sorry.

Somebody -- some woman who said, used the word swimmin' instead of swimming and she lost $4,000 on another show.

BOLLING: You have to pronounce the words properly.

By the way, Bob Sajak's wife and daughter came on this show.

GUTFELD: Right. They're no longer welcome here. No Sajak in this building.

BECKEL: That's right, (INAUDIBLE), too.

"One More Thing" is up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

TANTAROS: All right. Here's a sticky -- I mean stinky situation. Watch Jonathan Villar slide into second base into Brandon Phillips in a precarious way. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, the head is going to try for it, too. And he is out. Tag him between the leg without even looking, after runner sliding in there. A bad base running mistake.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not only bad base running because you're trying to make something out of nothing but you're sliding into a blind tag.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: Let's hope that Phillips's (INAUDIBLE) run had used Dial.

BECKEL: That's disgusting. The wanted to be a proctologist --

TANTAROS: You've had your nose in more questionable places than that.

BECKEL: Be careful --

GUTFELD: I thought it was romantic you guys. People are so gross.

BOLLING: Can I just tell you how much stuff he's going to get in the locker room for the rest of his life. I mean, he was -- number one, he was out. Number two, wow. That's the worst way to have a put out with your whatever.

TANTAROS: He was out. Let's hope he's not out of facial cleanser. That's disgusting.

BOLLING: He's going to wash --

GUTFELD: I thought it was beautiful. You people make me sick.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I'm sorry what?

TANTAROS: Your turn.

BECKEL: The man to my left here, (INAUDIBLE) around this table as well, constantly gets on the idea that we're paying too much for food stamps and lazy people don't go to work.

Can I look at a little graphic here that shows you that in 2007, 30 percent of food stamp recipients worked. In 1990, fewer than 20 percent worked. The rest of them are old people, children and disabled. So, there you go.

BOLLING: Thirteen million --

BECKEL: Excuse me. You're interrupting my one more thing.

BOLLING: Forty-six million are in food stamps now. More than double than your first number --

BECKEL: Those numbers are accurate. They're accurate numbers. Republicans are trying to defund food stamps.

BOLLING: That means 34 million people don't work that get food stamps.

BECKEL: Yes, elderly, disabled and children.

BOLLING: Wow, that's a lot.

We've got to go.

OK. So, last night, the Comedy Central editing booth must have been very busy. Stephen Colbert, for the second in a week or so was busy editing my comments I made earlier in the week to fit his comedy routine watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STEPHEN COLBERT, COMEDIAN Take the host of FOX's "The Five", Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: Why all of a sudden, it's video games. It's violent. Yes, it's violent, but so are movies, so is television. Who is the jackass who started pointing finger at video games?

COLBERT: Good question. Who is the jackass that blames gun violence on video games?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Well, whatever, and he goes on pulls old clips that were completely misconstrued and taken out of context and whatever.

But the bottom line is I want to say thank you to Stephen, our friend that clearly watches the show every night. Thank you for that. We forgot to congratulate Mark Sanford because he won that Congress seat in South Carolina. So, maybe Colbert --

(CROSSTALK)

TANTAROS: Dana --

PERINO: I've been wanting to do this one more thing all week. I think America needs this right now. A reminder -- look at these otters. They've learned to hold hands when they sleep so they don't float away from one another. Isn't that cute?

TANTAROS: Greg? Greg.

GUTFELD: Why are you looking at me?

PERINO: You're next.

BECKEL: Twenty seconds.

PERINO: That's because I want to hold your hand --

GUTFELD: I have 20 seconds left. Here's what I'm going to do for 20 seconds. I've got 9 seconds. I've got 8 seconds.

TANTAROS: That's it for us on "The Five". Thanks for watching, everyone. We'll see you right back here tomorrow.

"Special Report" is up next.

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