America's terror fight; time for select committee to investigate Benghazi?

You can't say 'never again' until feelings are trumped by ferocity


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 11, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and I told her to wait in the car, Dana Perino.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City. This is "The Five."


GUTFELD: Today, we hear "never forget" a lot. But it's meaningless if you elect those who minimize the challenge. You don't pay tribute to victims by indulging dopes who make it easier to do it again.

So, what are the challenges? To maintain total vigilance in spite of political correctness? To reject the fear of being called a name for speak up? To defend law enforcement entrusted to do a job no one really wants to do? I mean, do you want to stake out a mosque?

But never mistake a period of calm as a failure by terrorists. You spend 40 years on a career. They spend 40 years trying to kill you.

Terror is their vocation, and they can be bad at it. But one good day, boom.

9/11 should be a remembrance of the dead but also applying memory to the present task, a renewal of the will -- the will to kill creeps with the same disdain shown while crushing a roach. You can't say "never again"

until feelings are trumped by ferocity and soft targets are protected by sturdy spines.

Evil from the outside relies on weakness within. A weakness that stems from a spine-sapping post-modern hate for exceptionalism which says, "Just say yes to our own demise".

Here's a line from the presidential proclamation in honor of 9/11. It goes, "Today, we can honor those we lost by building a nation worthy of their memories."

Building a nation worthy of their memories. Don't we have that already?

My read is this -- the nation's not perfect so we must be bad. But accept the vision of a new America, we become good -- which is why the administration doesn't mind most things. The DOJ, Benghazi, the shelf life of these things only last for so long. But you know what lasts forever?

Social change in government.

Syria distracts from us those big ticket items. And Syria will pass.

But the desire for fundamental change, that will still burn. Never forget that, either.

So, K.G. --

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: That was pretty good.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Chapter one.

GUTFELD: Chapter one?

GUILFOYLE: Chapter one.

GUTFELD: Was that too long for you, Bob?

BECKEL: It was just fine, Greg. I had a chance to take a nap in the middle.

GUTFELD: That's pleasant. How nice of him.

GUILFOYLE: I thought it was good.

GUTFELD: The paradox here, Kimberly, is that the war -- if the war on terror ever ends, then terror starts up again. There is no end.

GUILFOYLE: It's an impossible end. It's, you know, futile to think that it could ever end. And if you think it's going to end, that's when you're getting defeated and you should check your back.

And what I love about this country is we've proved ourselves over time and time again that we have courage, that we stand for principles, that this is a country that is exceptional in every way. And we will prove and continue to do so long after this presidency and the administration is gone.

GUTFELD: Eric, do you think we have a choice at all in this? I mean, the -- we can never dial it back, really.

BOLLING: No, I think we do, you know, Greg. The topic of the

monologue: does America still have the will to fight, to destroy our enemies, Islamic jihadists?


BOLLING: I drove my son to school this morning, 15 years old. And I'm looking at him and I'm going, if this thing -- if we were to continue to get involved in these things in the Middle East, would I want my son to go into that? The answer is unequivocally no.

I don't want him in a fight that we don't belong in. If it's to defend freedom, if it's to defend the republic, our way of life, I would say, then maybe that would be a medicine I could possibly swallow.

But certainly not throwing my son into a civil war between two Muslim groups who frankly both hate us. They both want to kill us. Don't get me wrong, I think both sides would have the end of America if they could.

Maybe Barack Obama and the rest of the old school bombs away crew might think about that. Look at their kids and say would I want my son in that fight or my daughter in that fight? The answer has to be an unequivocal no.

The world's changed. We don't need to flex our military muscle on everything now. Maybe we try flexing our economic muscle. Maybe we work out and get our economic muscles strong.

BECKEL: In Afghanistan and Iraq, you said (INAUDIBLE) would your son like to still go there?

BOLLING: I've got to tell you -- you know, Afghanistan was in response to 3,000 Americans getting killed in 9/11. I watched them.

They'll be my one more thing at the end of today. So, Afghanistan -- defends our freedom and defends our republic.

GUTFELD: What do you say, Bob?

BECKEL: Well, I certainly think that there is no doubt that there are lots and lots of terrorists out there that want to douse in. I think our biggest single enemy is China. I've said this over and over again, much bigger than Islamists because they are waiting. They are patient and they want to take over as the superpower.

But having said that, I think there's a certain point where we've built up such an enormous intelligence organizations, many of them, layer upon layer upon layer upon layer, that I think are redundant and are not necessary. And I certainly don't think it's necessary to put Jersey walls around the Lincoln Memorial. That's what bothers me.

If you talk about winning, they've won by making us alter our way of life. I don't think it's necessary.

GUTFELD: OK, Dana, you want to talk about the speech a little bit?


GUTFELD: Yesterday during the break, you said how similar President Obama's approach to defending an attack on Syria was to Bush's argument for the surge. And Sam Thiessen had a piece today which compared what you tell it, compared the speech.

PERINO: So, it was actually during our 11:00 p.m. show last night, for which I was awake. And I was listening to one of the sound bites from President Obama's speech. And I said out loud, even though you couldn't hear me, I said, oh, that's the same argument that was made for the surge, the one that he argued against -- just sort of an off-hand comment.

And I understand that presidents once they get into the Oval Office, your view changes and everything. But what's interesting is Marc Thiessen a speechwriter for the Bush administration, now is a columnist for "The Washington Post" and writes for American Enterprise Institute, he goes back, because he wrote the surge speech for President Bush. Well, he was a part of a big team that worked on it. And that speech was -- went through many iterations.

And last night's speech that President Obama gave actually takes wholesale paragraphs from that speech that President Obama argued against and actually puts it into Obama's own words. Quite ironic.

GUTFELD: They did that thing everybody does when they're cheating on a book report. They did -- they moved the words around, so it's not -- but it was emblematic of a really good Harvard student. You cheat on the midterms.

It's weird. You can tell that the words -- it was the structure of the speech. But I guess --

BECKEL: You don't have to go to Harvard to cheat.

GUTFELD: That's true, Bob.

GUILFOYLE: Thanks for that contribution, Bob.

GUTFELD: Kimberly, you weren't here last night to talk about this. I want to go to SOT. This is from last night, Obama talking about ending and starting wars.

BECKEL: What's SOT again?

GUTFELD: Sound on tape.



BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I know that after the terrible toll of Iraq and Afghanistan, the idea of any military action, no matter how limited, is not going to be popular. After all, I've spent 4

1/2 years working to end wars, not to start them.


GUTFELD: Shaking your head, KG. That can't be good.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it's not. When I shake my head, that's the look of disapproval.

Because he's actually had his finger in all the little war pies. When you think about it, he's been quite involved in a number of these conflicts. So -- but I think he believes that if he says it isn't so that he is the great peace-making president that people might believe it. Also the fact he was rewarded with a Noble Peace Prize without any accomplishment to substantiate it or that was warranted for also helps him believe this.

I mean, he just feels it he says it, it's in the prompter, then it's fact.

BECKEL: You don't believe the American people are a little war weary after all this -- after the amount of time?

GUILFOYLE: Right. But I'm talking about the credit that he gives himself. Like on one hand, he can say he's incredibly strong and powerful and everybody fears us because of him, which isn't true.

And on the other hand, he can say he's the great peacemaker, that he's tried to clean up the mess of administrations and presidents past who have been the warmongers. It's not Barack Obama.

I'm terribly misunderstood. Will my left-leaning liberals from Hollywood come back to hug me?

BECKEL: I don't think that's what he said at all.

GUILFOYLE: That's why we have this great show.


GUILFOYLE: We can disagree.

BOLLING: Bob, you mentioned something -- you said China wants to be the world's superpower. But you don't hear China getting involved in these things. They're not doing it through a show of strength militarily.


BOLLING: We've dropped to number five in the global economic power list. Number five. We were number one until President Obama took over around 2010, we started to slide. We're number 10 in the economic freedom.

Our education system is in shambles. We're 12th in reading and 25th in math globally.

We have problems at hope that we would be much smarter focusing on rather than focusing on some stupid civil war in the Middle East. Between again, between two groups that frankly would like to see the American way no longer the American way.

BECKEL: We don't pay attention to the Chinese. The Chinese are buying aircraft carriers. They're trying to do --

BOLLING: Do you think they're trying to bomb us? Do you think --

BECKEL: I think the Chinese are going to do everything they can in a short period of time to become (INAUDIBLE) over the Southeast Asia including Japan and South Korea. We're not in a position to deal with it.

GUTFELD: Right now, in the immediate presence time, you have Russia supplying missile systems to Iran. Is this a reset button, Dana?

PERINO: Yes --

GUTFELD: It's more like a delete button.

PERINO: It's the not easy button, that's for sure. I also think that President Obama is going to open itself up to a smaller debate and it will be in legal circles. He said something last night.

Matthew Waxman of the Lawfare blog wrote about this last night, that President Obama said that the war making power in the hands of the president has expanded in the past decade. And that means a lot. Was he trying to signal something? A lot of people, constitutional lawyers, disagree with the constitutional lawyer that is the president on that point. But I think that that might be a thread that some of the -- on Capitol Hill that they try to pull.

BECKEL: Greg, you said something yesterday which I think makes some sense here. I am against -- I'm in favor of doing a punitive strike on -- I mean, on Syria. But I do think we ought to not have to wait for the Iranians to get these weapons. I do think -- with the Israelis we ought to bomb their facilities and slow them down another five or six years.


PERINO: I think that a president, or Israel, if those sites were that easy to bomb I think that would have been done already. Like the Syria one that was bombed, the one that they were making with the North Koreans and Israel bombed it.

BOLLING: How -- I'm sorry.

PERINO: That's OK. That was a target of opportunity that was clear and they were able to do it. The world was silent about it. Even Assad was quiet about it because they knew they'd been caught.

I think in Iran, I don't think it's as clear cut as all of us sitting around here don't have access information to say, we should just bomb them.

BECKEL: Wait a second. The difference was that was presumably a power plant out there easily to be bombed.


BECKEL: The only way we can do bunker busting bombs with B-1 bombers which the Israelis do not have. So, that means we need to supply those bombs.

BOLLING: So, you're trying to say the Israelis don't have the capability to take on Iranian nuclear?


BOLLING: I think you're completely wrong. I think that's the way we should. We should pat the Israelis on the back and say, we got your back, anything you need. But if this is going to happen and by the way, we would condone it happened, go ahead and do it. Why --


BECKEL: Train them to fly B1s and send B1s over there.

GUILFOYLE: But you know what the thing is? Bob is like Obama. He's like, I'm the great peacemaker. I'm against war. Bomb, Bomb Iran, bomb Syria. That's become Bob. Bob becomes Bolling. Bolling becomes Bob.

BECKEL: Are you not worried the Syrians are going to create nuclear weapons?

GUILFOYLE: Of course I'm worried. I want to do more than worry about it. I think we should exhaust all diplomatic means to do so, I think put pressure on Russia, have Russia get them to cooperate and make sure that these weapons are destroyed and have them sign on to the treaties that.

That would be a start.

BOLLING: Can we point something else out Bob on this attack? There's no regime change. This attack was supposed to take out delivery systems, not replace Assad who still be a crazy whacked out dictator --


GUILFOYLE: With hidden weapons.

BOLLING: -- who will have access to biological, chemical and potentially as you point out maybe something nuclear. Who knows? I find it very interesting that we can't open our White House doors because of sequestration. They say it's 17 grand a week is just too damn much, but we'll spend 150 million bucks a week, a week, loading up the Mediterranean and the Mideast with destroyers, aircraft carriers, amphibious vehicles just in -- just off beat chance President Obama decides --

BECKEL: You know, I heard you said that last night. These ships are all at sea. It costs them no matter whether they're in the Mediterranean or they're Atlantic or Pacific. It costs money to run those ships.

BOLLING: It costs more to put them at high alert. And also if they're there there's somewhere else they probably could be might be needed somewhere elsewhere there is an American threat -- where there is a threat to America.

GUTFELD: What do you think, Dana?

PERINO: I was going to mention, the other thing Assad has right now, it could be one of the ways to get at him, if he has money.


PERINO: So from the financial standpoint, what can we do to be able to cut off his supply of money? Because without money, you can't buy these type of things. Unfortunately, if Putin is going to be in charge, and Assad is his puppet, then the money flow is not going to end.

BECKEL: His money has been cut off by the world community. They've frozen Syrian bank accounts.

PERINO: Is that why his wife is on fabulous shopping trips in London?

BECKEL: No. I think it's because the Russians continue to supply them with money.

PERINO: That's what I mean. Now, we have put our trust and we're supposed to believe that President Putin is acting in our best interests?


BECKEL: I think he's acting in his own best interests.

PERINO: Then why did the president put us on the line and give all that power over to Putin?


BECKEL: I'm not sure he gave all that power -- you're talking about getting a resolution.

PERINO: He says from his oval -- he says from the East Room, we'll see if Putin agrees with it. That is a remarkable turn of events in a couple of years.

BECKEL: They want to get a U.N. resolution that everybody can agree on, and the Russians will veto it if we don't get one they can agree on.

GUILFOYLE: Russia and China. That's interesting.

GUTFELD: All right. Let's take a break, shall we?

GUILFOYLE: Let's do it.

GUTFELD: Scintillating.

Ahead on "The Five": family members of Americans killed in Benghazi one year ago today want answers from the administration and justice for they loved ones. You'll hear from them, next.


PERINO: All right. Welcome back.

As you know, today is 9/11. And a year ago, Ambassador Chris Stevens, Ty Wood, Glen Doherty and Sean Smith were killed by Islamic terrorists in Benghazi. The victims' families are still searching for answers and justice.

Sean Smith's mother and uncle are unhappy with how the administration has handled the situation and they spoke earlier.


PATRICIA SMITH, MOTHER OF BENGHAZI VICTIM SEAN SMITH: He promised me face-to-face at the casket ceremony he would give me answers. He did not.

I don't know what you want me to say. I did not get any answers yet.

There is nobody in Washington giving me any answers, other than the media.

MICHAEL INGMIRE, UNCLE OF BENGHAZI VICTIM SEAN SMITH: In some ways it's a little too late. I want justice. But I also want truth and accountability. And that's been missing in action for the past year. The Obama administration has been dragging its heels.


PERINO: So those are grieving people that are asking for answers.

And it seems, Kimberly, that the government doesn't seem to have -- they don't feel an obligation to get answers for them. I think that they are hoping that this story just goes away. But here we are a year later and, of course, still talking about it.

GUILFOYLE: It's so embarrassing. It's so shameful.

I feel horrible as an American that this is what has happened to these family members that have kindly asked for some answers, that were promised that face-to-face and still no justice, no answers. And how about the recognition for those heroes that fought so valiantly waiting for backup that never came because a stand down order was given?

To me, it's just -- it's shameful. Something should be done about this. Benghazi should never be forgotten. As Americans, we shouldn't allow it. It's an injustice that we allow to prevail that should have never happened to begin with.

PERINO: Well, something -- there was a development today and Steve Hayes of FOX News and "The Weekly Standard" got a scoop yesterday about a letter that John Brennan sent to the House Intel chairman, Mike Rogers, who's been asking for an opportunity to talk to some of the survivors.

And this is Steve earlier today with that announcement.


STEVE HAYES, WEEKLY STANDARD: "The Weekly Standard", we got a letter that John Brennan sent to House Intel Committee Chairman Mike Rogers answering some specific questions about claims that, you know, some of these Benghazi survivors had been forced to sign nondisclosure agreements or forced to take polygraphs. Brennan denies those allegations. And then in the most interesting part of the letter at the very end, Brennan says, in effect, I will help put you in touch with all of the survivors.


PERINO: What do you think brought that about, Eric, this development?

BOLLING: I don't know. I'm trying to -- so we understand, so these survivors that everyone's been looking for and wanting to speak to for a year now have had to sign disclosures that they will not disclose what they know, what they don't know. And they were pretty harsh. If I remember right, they were getting leaned on pretty heavily not to say a word about what's going on, they would be held in contempt and things like that. So they laid off.

I'm trying to figure out why they're going to let it happen now.

Very interestingly, too, Denis McDonough, chief of staff of the White House, tells Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday," you don't know what's going on. You don't know how much we really know and we're about to get these guys.

Well, it's a year. How about you tell us? How about you let us know how close you are, what you have.

BECKEL: Why should they let you know?

BOLLING: Because, Bob, you're ready to go kill someone in Syria on one hand without all the information, but we're a year into this and allegedly a year into an investigation, you have a lot going on behind the scenes and nothing's happening in Benghazi.

BECKEL: You Benghazi conspirators theorists -- first of all, we don't know what's going on. You can't call it an injustice when you don't know what the heck exactly they're doing.

GUILFOYLE: I know we don't have the answers we should have, that it's taken way too long and they've been disrespectful to the dead.

BECKEL: Wait a minute. Most conspiracy theorists said these people had to take polygraph tests, they did this -- they didn't have to. And now they're going be sent to Capitol Hill where they'll be under oath. If they lie about not taking a polygraph, then they're subject to be indicted.

So, the fact is that they weren't polygraphs. They were not doing all these horrible things that the right wing said they were doing.

GUILFOYLE: Why shouldn't they talk to begin? Why the delay?


GUILFOYLE: Why a delay?

BECKEL: Because they're trying to put together a case, that's why.

GUILFOYLE: No, that doesn't make any sense.

PERINO: Greg, Bob says that there are conspiracy theorists when it comes to Benghazi. I have a theory.


PERINO: That the White House has done some polling. They've figured out internally that the only people that care about this are on the right.

And so, we can just weather this storm and wait until it goes away.

GUTFELD: I think that's a good theory, Dana. I'm quite surprised you came up with this.

What it is, is FNC cooties (ph).


GUTFEL: No, it's a victim of the media that refuses to do a story in which FNC, and, you know, a guy like Eli Lake, I think it's "Daily Beast", who are covering this constantly. And they're stubborn. It's a personal matter to them.

I'm not doing that story if the conservative media is doing it. I mean, seriously, nobody's asking where Hillary Clinton is in all of this.

She's Waldo in a pants suit. She has more baggage on this than Louis Vuitton. I don't know how she's going to get the nomination unless the media again does her the favor of not talk about it.

BECKEL: You don't think she'll get the nomination because of Benghazi?

GUTFELD: No, I actually -- a little convoluted there. If the media actually followed the story she wouldn't get the nomination. But they're not going to follow it so she probably will.

BECKEL: But why is that? To find out what?

GUILFOYLE: Because it's Hillary Clinton in 2016. If you don't think that's everything this has to do with protecting her and the Clintons.


PERINO: The denial of the request for security by the ambassador.

Look, Bret Baier will report tonight on "SPECIAL REPORT" I believe that they have indication that went up to the high levels. Now, highest, the highest? I don't know. But there's that part.

And the second part is the blaming of the video which turns out to be a farce. And she --

GUILFOYLE: A knowing farce.

PERINO: And tells the family members in Delaware at Dover when the bodies were flown back, we got -- we're going to get the guy who made this video. It was a made-up story from the beginning.

BECKEL: But I think they finally owned up to that.

PERINO: They did not.


GUILFOYLE: It was viewed as being spontaneous uprising based on a video not something that was a plan in the works.


BECKEL: I think they've testified that that was not the case and they accept that. But this was plane and simple a way to get through the election. That's why they kept it quiet.

GUTFELD: I agree. And they kept it quiet.

PERINO: That's why the conspiracy theory.


GUILFOYLE: That's the reality.

BOLLING: You know what not conspiracy theory, Bob -- what is a reality is that someone had to give the stand down order. Now, whether you like it or not, that stand down order, when we find out who gave it, changed the -- that's military people. That's the one thing that bothers them most about Benghazi isn't about the other stuff, the video, it's that someone gave a stand down order. It changed the way we do military that -- the way we've done military for 237 years. In Benghazi, someone in the administration changed things. They left four people attacked.

PERINO: We have to go --

BECKEL: Tell me why Issa, with 22 hearings, has not been able to figure that out yet?

PERINO: Because they haven't been able to provide them. That's why this is a significant thing in the Hayes reports that now they are going to be able to do so. And there will be a hearing next week that Darrell Issa chairs.

And I love how a team works together because I had three things then I had one of those moments where you forgot the third thing. You remembered it. It was the stand down order.

GUILFOYLE: Good job.

PERINO: Those three things, 1, 2, 3.

GUTFELD: Good for you. You can count, too.

PERINO: All right. I can count as well.

All right. Coming up, a big win for Second Amendment advocates in Colorado. Two politicians recalled from office after pushing gun control.

The political ramifications extend well beyond Colorado and we're going to talk about it next on "The Five".


BOLLING: Bad news for anti-gun activists. Two Democrat lawmakers in Colorado, including the president of the state Senate, were recalled Tuesday in elections brought about by the support for tougher gun control laws.

John Morse and Angela Giron were both defeated in special elections.

And get this -- these Democrats held seats in very blue districts. One district President Obama held by almost 20 percent in last year's presidential election. Colorado voters on both sides of the aisle have spoken and they seem to be saying, long live the Second Amendment.

That translates, Bob, into viva la NRA.

What do you say?

BECKEL: Well, let me just say as a former campaign person, when you have a turnout of less than 15 percent in one district and less than 10 percent in another, you're going to get the people who are organized, NRA, put a lot of money into this thing. The gun nuts were organized and they came out and voted.

But you're talking about such a few percentage of the people. The normal voting in an average congressional district is 300,000, right?

PERINO: But the anti-gun nuts, Bloomberg, put in like $350,000 and they couldn't gin up support.

BECKEL: You're right. Colorado's not exactly a state you want to test your --

BOLLING: Bob, Colorado 3, which is Angela Giron's district, President Obama held by almost 20 percent in the presidential election.

PERINO: That's Pueblo, Colorado.

BECKEL: Look at the turnout of that thing.

BOLLING: Whatever. She lost by 13 percent -- 12 percent. She got smoked.

BECKEL: I'm just saying when you get very small turnouts you can change things very quickly.

BOLLING: Yes, numbers. Yes. They lost.

GUILFOYLE: They're done with the watering down?

BOLLING: Anyone else want to jump in here?


GUTFELD: I like this. Because some people vote with their pocketbooks and these people voted with their pistols. Mass shootings are horrible but they are rare. Gang violence is horrible but common.

So, why the focus on Colorado and places like that and not Chicago?

Not Atlanta? Not Detroit? Not D.C.? There are places where actions could save lives, but because of political correctness, you can't go there. So focus on rifle crimes which are rare, not gang bangers.

GUILFOYLE: They're totally missing the point. Because of that, public safety and communities suffer, because they're not getting it.

They're thinking about what's politically correct. They're not even equipping themselves with the facts.

And in the meantime, they're becoming so ill-informed and out of touch with the voters and their constituents that they are going to get yanked out of office.


BECKEL: Congressional district in Maine.

BOLLING: Hold your thought, Bob. I want to get Kimberly in here.

2014, what does that say for people running -- Democrats running?

PERINO: We're thinking a lot alike today. I was just writing down that what I heard from Pueblo, Colorado, I still have a couple of friends there. They said she, Angela Giron, the state senator, her whole campaign was totally surprised by this, taken unaware.

What does that mean in other places? New gun laws that were going to be the hallmark of this year failed in Congress after the Biden push? You remember that?

And now, they're going to try in the states. That didn't work for them. So, where do you go? We were talking last night, I think it might have been in the commercial break, Bob, saying that probably immigration is not going to happen in an election year, 2014. So, I actually don't know if you are running for Congress as a Democrat in 2014 in that mid-term, what your platform is.

BOLLING: Hang in there. Bob, I'm sorry twice. Don't be mad.

Watch this sound bite. This is great. This is good. Watch.



JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: We have seen a substantial change in the views of the American people on common sense measures to reduce gun violence.

JOSEPH BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If there's one thing I know, the public has changed. The nation has changed. And whether it's tomorrow or the next month or next year, we are eventually going to reflect the view of the American public and the laws that we pass.

OBAMA: Right now, 90 percent of Americans, 90 percent, support background checks that will keep criminals and people who have been found to be a danger to themselves or others from buying a gun.


BOLLING: Ninety percent, 90 percent.



BECKEL: I have nothing to say.

BOLLING: You've got nothing to say?


GUTFELD: It shows the Gulf between the coastal elites and the rest of America. Coastal elites look at guns and see them as these independent forces that are inherently evil. The rest of America sees them as, I don't know, slightly louder hammers. They're things that you have in your house that you keep under lock and key that are valuable.

BECKEL: Let me give you some coastal states. Let me see if you agree with this -- Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia?

GUTFELD: I'm talking about New York and California.

BECKEL: OK, you might have to say, as opposed to the West Coast and East Coast.

GUTFELD: I added elites, I added elites.

PERINO: Don't forget Boston.

GUTFELD: And Boston.


GUTFELD: All politics is local, Bob.


BECKEL: The one thing I did want to point out before I was rudely interrupted --

BOLLING: Second Amendment, baby.

We've got to leave it there.

Ahead of "The Five": 2 million biker rally rolls and roars into our nation's capitol on the anniversary --

GUTFELD: Are we going to talk about that?

BOLLING: Yes, we are. We're talking about it live in the anniversary of 9/11 without a permit but with a whole lot of patriotism. I'm glad to announce the million Muslim march wait for it barely gets a turnout.

Stay tuned. We have pictures.


GUILFOYLE: Let me ask a question. For all the parents out there, do you give your kids an allowance?

Well, my son Ronan is 6 and he gets $5 a week. But there's some debate about whether children should get allowance at all. Some studies finding that free dough could negatively impact kids in the long run.

That's why nothing is free in life. You have to tell your little munchkins that they have to work for it. Long hours, hard hours taking out the garbage, cleaning up their toys, cleaning their rooms.


GUTFELD: With my --

GUILFOYLE: Sparkles, Captain Sparkles --

GUTFELD: With my Captain Sparkle, my ferret, he gets an allowance.

He has to do some grooming, my grooming.

You get something for nothing, you create a zero. Kids need to understand value, things cost something. Out of the womb, you give them a broom.

GUILFOYLE: Wow, that was interesting. Did you prepare that all day?

BECKEL: Out of the womb, you give them a broom?


GUILFOYLE: Yes, as soon as they're born, you teach them the value of hard work, work ethnic, the American way.

BECKEL: OK. What about the idea that these kids ought to be doing this stuff anyway because they're part of the family? I mean, why pay them to do things they should be doing anyway?


GUILFOYLE: You tell them you're going to give the money, when they're little, they don't even remember if they got it or not.

BECKEL: Well, I think the idea that that they learn how to manage money is a good part of this -- I mean, I never got a dime for when I was a kid. I had to work for it.

So -- but I spoil my kids. I'm like an ATM machine. They don't say hello, they don't say nothing. Hey, dad -- they get money.

GUILFOYLE: I give them tooth fairy money. He's losing a lot of teeth, so he gets a lot of money.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh, really?

GUTFELD: I'm sorry.

GUILFOYLE: Dios mio.

BECKEL: Oh, man --

GUILFOYLE: Yes, batter up.


BOLLING: OK. So again, it may have something to do with our upbringing. Grew up absolutely dead poor broke and worked for everything I got.

And I think I'm failing. I'll be honest with you. I'm failing as a parent to my son because I give him just about everything he wants. I hold

-- I do reward him when he brings home good grades. I give him extra stuff.

GUILFOYLE: He's an honor student, though, and a athlete.

BOLLING: Yes. But you know what, K.G.? He doesn't work. He doesn't have a job. He doesn't have any jobs around the house.

PERINO: Don't you have a chart on the refrigerator for the chores.

And you can put a little star on it?

BOLLING: I should and I fail.

BECKEL: The maid.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling, who takes out the --


GUTFELD: I have some work around my apartment I need if he's available.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, wow. Don't send him there.

PERINO: I'll tell you one thing, if Greg Gutfeld keeps kicking this table, we're going to be like flat out on the floor.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

PERINO: Why do you keep kicking the table like this like nervous energy or something?

BECKEL: Uh-oh, that's a challenge right there, buddy.

GUTFELD: I was kicking the table?

BECKEL: Listen, the one thing about kids, though, kids do not know how to manage money. When you give them this money, no such thing as a budget, my kid I tried to get my kid to write a check out. He couldn't figure out how to write a check.

PERINO: But they're not going to need to write checks, right?

They're just going to need to figure out how to do it on their phone.

GUTFELD: How can you write a check now? I cannot write in handwriting. I try. I can't remember how to do it when you have to write out like $300 --

PERINO: How do you spell that number?

GUTFELD: It is hard to spell numbers.


GUILFOYLE: What about paying for success? Meaning if your kid brings home an A, some parents like, OK, I'll give you $50 for an A, $5 for a D.

I would have been rich.

BOLLING: Now, I'm going through. He's 15. So he's looking at cars now and that's --

BECKEL: Are you going to buy him a car?

BOLLING: "I want that kind of car. It looks good, Dad." I'm like, "That will be four As, that will be six As, eight As." I mean, bigger boys, bigger toys.

GUILFOYLE: A car for grades?

BECKEL: This is my signature --


GUILFOYLE: Yes, but my dad got me a Dodge Dart for $1,500.

BECKEL: I want to see your signature.


BECKEL: Same thing I do. Same thing.

GUTFELD: It's a mess.

PERINO: Mine is actually very neat.

GUTFELD: Some people put little circles or hearts over their I's?

Dana does that with every letter in the alphabet. Make E into a little animal.


BECKEL: The whole show without mentioning the dog.

GUILFOYLE: She's America's little thumb pull puppet. So cute.


GUILFOYLE: Dana, not you.

BOLLING: This is big.

GUILFOYLE: Next -- you don't even note back story on this.

All right. Two million bikers take Washington by storm to drown out the noise from the million Muslim march planned to distract attention away from the victims of 9/11. Don't miss it. It's straight ahead on "The Five."


BECKEL: Could you stop talking in the middle of my opening here?

You've been talking for the whole time.

They didn't have a permit, but a sea of bikers today rolled into Washington, D.C. to pay tribute to the victims of 9/11, and also to counter the so-called million Muslim march planned there today. The Muslim march actually shaped up to be more like a few hundred.

The 2 million biker rally however had a huge turnout, despite the fact that organizers weren't granted permission for the ride.

Here was national coordinator Belinda Bee on Fox News earlier.


BELINDA BEE, CO-ORGANIZER, 2 MILLION BIKERS TO DC: We have a right to ride those streets. We are tax-paying Americans. They can't deny us riding the streets. Had they issued the permit, and had we had the police escort and assistance, we would have been done with this ride in less than, I'd say, three hours. Now it's going to take us six, seven hours.


BECKEL: Well, I suppose. But the only thing I will say in defense of the parks service, they didn't know how many Muslims were going to show up.

What they were trying to do was avoid a great clash between these two crowds.

And so, you can't really blame them. The Muslim march was in there early and they got their permit. If I were the parks service I'd be worried about that, too.

What do you think, Eric?

BOLLING: I think they could have made an exception on this date to honor the 9/11 -- the people we lost on 9/11. I think -- I don't think it's a bad thing.

BECKEL: What do you think what about 100 Muslims walking past these bikers? Think they'd have made it down the block?

PERINO: Probably, probably.

BECKEL: But that's not what the basis of the permit should or shouldn't be, whether or not someone is going to -- whether there's going to be a clash. You have a right to demonstrate. You have a right to show up.

They have a right. They said it was going to put the city of D.C. out too much, right, because it would take a couple hours to get the bikes to the city. I say on this day, don't do it on a regular Saturday or Sunday but on this day, maybe you make an exception.

GUTFELD: Can I -- here -- two issues here. I think it's great that they're doing this, that the bikers are doing this. However, you're not going to get a permit for a nonstop ride in rush hour in a large city because you're going to have so many people that are going to be angry at you. If that happened in New York, if you had let's say count to 2,000 and sit at a stop sign, you're going to have a lot of people ticked off at you, just for 2,000 bikers. They're calling it 2 million.

Are you 2 million? If you're 2 million, you're not getting a permit because that will take you three months to get through 6th Avenue.

The other thing, too, is I admire what they're doing, but, you know, they should worry more or think more about the day and less about getting press, because I'm tired of getting 150 tweets saying you better cover this. We were planning on covering it to begin with, but it comes off as, though, you're more interested in making a point than observing a solemn occasion. And that's probably just a small minority of people, but you can stop now.



BECKEL: What do you think?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Look, I admire their heart, their patriotism. I think it was in the right place. That's what I love about this country, when you have that spontaneous showing of faith and patriotic beliefs, I'm all for it. I've got nothing but love for the bikers.

GUIFOYLE: Really? Nothing but love.

BECKEL: I bet you they have nothing but love for you, too.

GUILFOYLE: We shall see.

BECKEL: Well, I think we should talk about one thing. "One More Thing"!


BECKEL: Dana, I'm sorry.

GUTFELD: Dana, what's a biker?


GUTFELD: All right. It's "One More Thing".

I'm going to kick it off. This is some video that will make your blood boil. It's of former CIA director, David Petraeus, being chased down in the New York City streets by student activists calling him a number of names. The activists were from City University of New York. He was on his way to teach his first class.

And here it is --




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why you seized the opportunity? What do you have to say?




GUTFELD: These people have no idea what fascism is and that this guy has fought for their freedoms to act like D-bags that they are. You know, he agreed to that, I guess, the speech for a dollar.

PERINO: He's teaching the entire class for a dollar because some of the faculty complained that he was going to go teach the class and they didn't want to spend the money, so he said, I'll do it for a dollar. He's coming here, putting himself out. I can't stand those students.

GUILFOYLE: No, they're bullies.

PERINO: I don't understand why he's there by himself.

BECKEL: Every university in the country is like that, every one of them.

PERINO: I think the NYPD, somebody should walk with him.

GUTFELD: I think he can take care of himself, but it took a lot of self-control not to deck one of them.

PERINO: That's true.

GUTFELD: Dana, you're next. You can have an opinion on the biker's march if you like.

PERINO: I'm going to pass because I thought you did a great job, and, Bob, too, and everybody -- everybody here was great. Just great.

I keep in touch with some west point grads, they're there in Afghanistan, can't tell you where, can't tell you their name, but they wanted to send this today. Since I have a little time to reclaim from earlier, just wanted to read one of the things he said.

I was only 12 on September 11th, but that represents everything for me. The loss of innocence that comes with the realization that there's true evil in the world. May we never forget that lesson. Thanks again for your support. America is too great a place and liberty too sweet a prize to give up without a fight.

He always signs his e-mails, life is beautiful.

What a difference those young people are compared to the students who were heckling --

GUILFOYLE: Perfect juxtaposition.

GUTFELD: For once, an excellent point from Dana Perino. It took us

53 minutes.


BOLLING: OK. So, I think I brought this out last year as well, but it's always good to remember. I was given this by the 9/11 Memorial Museum because I was in the building in 1993 when they bombed the building and I was at the World Trade Center in 2001 when that building came down and killed 3,000 people.

Take a look at this picture. These are the friends I lost on 9/11.

Here's the names on the wall of the trading floor that I used to trade on.

There's 32 more names of some of my closest friends, I worked side by side with those people for the better part of 18 years. At the time, probably the better part of 13 years or so.

Just a sad loss and just to remember -- 9/11 Museum will open in the spring of 2014. Just bring your kids. Let them see what's that all about.

PERINO: Can I ask -- since we have a little time, can I ask you how -

- a lot of those people, a lot of your friends that have had children and how in general are the families doing now?

BECKEL: Again, they go through the year and they deal with it and then this day is just very, very difficult for the wives and especially the kids.

GUILFOYLE: Then, you know think, you know, people who complain like those students who acted so poorly and disgracefully -- I mean, they don't understand sacrifice.

BECKEL: They're like that at every university in America.

GUTFELD: I'm glad Bob's coming around.

GUILFOYLE: So, on a positive note, let's say this. I think and Dana, you came up with this idea, which is for people to be able to remember 9/11 in a positive way, teach your family members, your young children, those kids, mine weren't alive at the time, to know about the sacrifice and the loss of this country suffered at the hands of terrorists.

Make a trip to the memorial, OK? Go to New York City or go to the Pentagon or Shanksville, Pennsylvania, and show them the history of this country and what we stand for.

PERINO: Good idea.

BECKEL: It's a good idea.

Well, I'm going to end this one more thing with I think a really interesting story. The Afghan national soccer team --


BECKEL: -- won their very first international soccer event, Southeast Asian Football Federation and I wish you wouldn't use the football, that's our name, OK? But I think given all the hardest they've been through and apparently, it brought the country together and they were very excited about it. So, I give them a lot of cheers of that. And also, they beat India, which of course --

GUTFELD: That's a big rivalry.

BECKEL: -- my favorite places.


BECKEL: Well, it's got --


BOLLING: We're almost there.

GUTFELD: Why it's my fault?

PERINO: So, happy pre-birthday everybody send a picture of your dog to Greg on Twitter for his birthday tomorrow, he'll love it.

BOLLING: Happy birthday, brother.

GUTFELD: Thanks.

GUILFOYLE: Are you going to be happy tomorrow?

GUTFELD: No. I'm old.

That's it for "The Five". "Special Report" is up next.

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