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Have race relations improved since Martin Luther King Jr.'s historic speech?

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," August 27, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: Tomorrow the nation will pause to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the march on Washington and Martin Luther King Jr.'s iconic "I Have a Dream" speech. But rather than celebrate the fact that we have the first African-American president, more black lawmakers than ever, recent rhetoric from prominent African-Americans is tainting this historic day and overshadowing how far this country has come regarding civil rights.

One of the most outrageous comments comes to us courtesy of civil rights leader Julian Bond. Take a look.

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JULIAN BOND: We march because Trayvon Martin has joined Emmett Hill in the pantheon of young black martyrs. We march because the United States Supreme Court has eviscerated the voting rights act for which we fought and died. We march because every economic indicator shows gaping white/black disparities. We march for freedom from white supremacy.

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HANNITY: Pretty unbelievable. Now before we go through some of the controversial comments, we bring in radio talk show host, Larry Elder and Fox News political analyst, Juan Williams.

Gentlemen, good to see you both. Juan, I'll start with you. You know, a lot of people, there have been numerous high-profile cases that the American people are following. For example, the president spoke out on the Cambridge police acting stupidly, spoke out about Trayvon, but yet has not spoken out publicly -- I know he sent a letter to the family earlier today -- about the Chris Lane case, an 88-year-old World War II veteran beaten, a Florida bus beating, three kids, black kids against one white kid. And some people question why these civil rights leaders, why the president are selective in the instances in which they speak out on?

JUAN WILLIAMS, FOX NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, you can't speak out on every crime in America, Sean, I don't think by the way that the racial cover you would put on those is always the case. Certainly not in Oklahoma where you had one kid who was white and another who's biracial involved in that shooting. I think that there are criminals of all colors and types.

But I think a lot of this is now sort of popular and it worries me that we are inflaming racial tensions by trying to voice this interpretation --

HANNITY: You mean like the Trayvon case? Was there inflaming racial tensions there?

WILLIAMS: Sure, I think that -- I think there are people who tried to exploit it. I happened to think that the verdict was an injustice to Trayvon Martin's family because I think there's a dead child there.

HANNITY: Oh, good grief.

WILLIAMS: But that's my feeling.

HANNITY: All right, Larry, weigh in.

LARRY ELDER, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Well, the so-called black leaders don't like to talk about the fact that when you're talking about black/white violent crimes, most of the time it's a black perpetrator and most of time it's a white victim. It's much easier to talk about the rare instance when a white person does something violently to a black person.

The fact is that the criminal justice system is not a racist criminal justice system. In 1994, the Justice Department examined 75 major metropolitan areas to find out if it's true that blacks got longer sentences for the very same sentences because of racial reasons. They found out nothing like that, this is 1994 under Bill Clinton.

And yet, the mantra continues that race and racism remain major problems in America. It just isn't true, we've elected and re-elected a black president.

We've had back to back black secretaries of state. If black America were a separate country, Sean, it would be the 15th or 16th wealthiest country in the world.

HANNITY: Juan?

WILLIAMS: You know, I love what you're saying, Larry, because I think this is really a positive view of the strength of black Americans, things that black Americans need to be aware of, take advantage of in terms of moving us forward.

ELDER: Absolutely.

WILLIAMS: But let me just say when you look at the incarceration rates in the country and realize that about half of all the incarcerated people in the country are black or Hispanic, you think, hmm, they're not half of the population. And when you look at the reality, day to day, of what goes on, most of the crimes, white crime, black crime, white on white, black on black -- it's a very, very small, I think almost single digits, interracial crime in our country.

ELDER: That's not true. That's not true.

WILLIAMS: It is true.

ELDER: It depends on the category --

WILLIAMS: One last point, Larry. Look, I'm telling you overall -- I don't know about specific categories -- let me say, historically, if you think back to the history of lynching, of assassinations of political leaders, that's white on black crime, Larry.

ELDER: Well, if you look at the category of crime of murder, you're absolutely right, Juan. Almost all murder is same race murder. But if you look at auto theft, break-ins, home invasions, those kinds of things, 40 percent of street crimes are committed by black people and quite often their victims are white people not just black people. So it just isn't true.

WILLIAMS: I thought we were talking about personal assault, murder, that kind of thing. What you're talking about is poor people. Of course, there's a higher poverty rate among minorities.

ELDER: Again, you talk about things like categories of crime. And the fact is, when you look at certain categories of crime, 40 percent or so of the perpetrators are black people. Quite frequently their victims are white. It's not true that almost all crime is same race crime. It depends on the category.

WILLIAMS: I'm not -- I think that what you're doing is you're looking at crimes like if you said, auto theft or somebody who pilfered something. What we're talking about, and I think what Sean wanted to focus on is that example of what happened to that young man in Oklahoma, just a horrific crime.

HANNITY: That's one example. There are about eight now that are high-profile.

WILLIAMS: You have other examples. The kids down in Florida, the kid in Florida, the white kid in Florida said, those guys tried to sell him drugs and he reported, they then viewed him as a snitch and beat him up. It wasn't about race, that's all I'm saying.

HANNITY: Everyone says that race is to say it's not about race, and I don't know if that's necessarily the case.

To what extent, Larry -- and I'll give you the last word tonight. Fifty years later, in terms of self- empowerment and decisions and family breakup and societal pressures and cultural issues, what impact is that having overall in the black community in terms of -- I'm just a believer in individual responsibility, taking charge of your life. I believe that every American that does that can succeed in this day and age, am I wrong?

ELDER: Absolutely. And the number one social problem in this country is children being raised without fathers. In 1960, five percent of children all races were raised without fathers. That number now is 43 percent. There's a direct relationship between not having a dad in the home and crime, unemployment, you name the social problem. That is the bigger problem in this country. Far bigger than the remaining racism that exists in America.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say, on this point I agree with Larry, and I want to reaffirm --

ELDER: Oh, no! Hell just froze over.

WILLIAMS: I wish everybody would pay attention to that, as much as they paid attention to Trayvon or interracial crime. The fathers, lack of fathers, family breakdowns, the critical issue, lack of good schools. The civil rights challenge of this generation.

HANNITY: By the way, that transcends race.

ELDER: Common ground. Common ground here, Sean, common ground.

HANNITY: You guys are ruining the show. We're all getting along, we're all agreeing.

WILLIAMS: I love you, Sean. You know that, buddy. Come on.

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