'No regrets' for anti-Muslim filmmaker blamed for Benghazi

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula is still in federal custody


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 6, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Well, he was the only person jailed after terrorists stormed our consulate on 9/11 in Benghazi, despite having nothing to do with the attack. "Innocence of Muslims" filmmaker Nakoula Basseley Nakoula has given a new interview, and he says that he wants the world to see the truth about Islamist extremists. But, first, a reminder of how he was blamed for the terror attack that killed four Americans.


THEN-SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON: We have seen rage and violence direct at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with.

WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY JAY CARNEY: It is in response to a video, a film, that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting.

THEN-U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. SUSAN RICE: Of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside our embassy, sparked by this hateful video.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There's a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world.


TANTAROS: Well, Nakoula is still in federal custody in a halfway house in California. But he's just spoken to The Daily Caller. He says, quote, "I'm not afraid. I want the world to see the truth. I have many Muslim friends. They do not believe in terrorism culture like many others. We have to keep fighting against this culture to protect our future generations and our civilization." He said, "If I could go back, I would do it again."

He is also writing a book dedicated to both the victims of Benghazi and of terrorism around the world.

So, Dana, he has had death threats on him. He actually thanked the U.S. government for keeping him safe through all of this.

The administration has also characterized this video as hate speech, Islamophobic, and all he is trying to educate the world on something that this administration says doesn't exist, that we're not at war with radical Islam. What's wrong with that?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: We're coming up on a year since the Benghazi attacks.

And I remember it was on a Saturday morning, I woke up, I sent an e- mail to Greg and another friend and I said, "I cannot believe that the United States of America, that the government is going to try to blame somebody who made a video for deaths of Americans in Libya. It just can't possibly be happening." And yet, here we are a year later, and he is in jail for unrelated reasons.

He had probation violations and he'd used an alias. It's not that he hasn't done anything wrong, when you've done something wrong you don't go around in America picking up everybody that is on a parole violation and put a towel over their head, and make them go into jail for a year.

And nobody, not the ACLU, nobody from Hollywood has turned out to help this guy.

The other thing you said, Andrea, and I'll stop there, he said this war, meaning the war on terrorism, the war against the United States and Christians, does not use weapons but minds. I am talking about how much the world will suffer because of this culture if we do not stop it as soon as possible.

In the video, the administration watches it from the White House Situation Room and says, my goodness, this is horrible, it's hate speech.

I just find that really hard to believe that it happened and we're a year later, and he is still in jail.

TANTAROS: And he probably has a case, I mean, to counter sue. I mean, they blamed him for this video, then get this news, this is breaking, Greg, that the Justice Department has filed criminal charges against a number of suspects who actually did commit the crime in Benghazi. It wasn't caused by a video. These are the same people that were spotted by numerous media outlets last week sitting around, drinking mango juice, they didn't interrogate them.

Is it coincidental that, all of a sudden, September 11th were coming close on the anniversary, the filmmaker speaks out, and all of a sudden, they finally file charges?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: It could be also that President Obama is going to be on Jay Leno tonight. Who knows?


GUTFELD: The fact that this guy is in a halfway house while terrorists are free, it's like arresting the editors of Runner's World for the marathon bomber, and letting him go free.

I will say this about this filmmaker -- there's no question he is a shady dude. He did break some laws. But he was also a decoy. He was a pawn in a government cover-up.

He is really not the story here. The story is how the White House found him and used him in order to win an election. He was -- let me finish. He was integral in getting Obama elected because they used him to smooth over the idea that there was terrorism.

Obama should pardon Nakoula squared for helping him with the election or at least introduce him to George Clooney, and help him make connections in Hollywood. This guy got Obama reelected.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Let's remember that he has now three Fatwas against him, I believe. And they want to put him in protective custody -- somebody needs to put him in protective custody because these guys are serious players when it comes to that sort of stuff.

But one thing that bothers me about what he said was, I can't find all of these moderate Muslims he keeps talking about who are willing to step forward and say, this is wrong. I keep coming back to this point. Has anybody, anybody of any standing in the Muslim community stood up and denounced any of this? I can't find them.

TANTAROS: And it's actually not about Islam in totality, David. It really is about how they have become radicalized. These videos are kind of silly if you've ever seen.

No offense, Greg, they're worse than your German art films.

GUTFELD: How dare you.

TANTAROS: But, David, he talks about the double standard with Christianity as well. He says, you see mosques all over the place, you don't see churches in Saudi Arabia, he said, this is -- this is a total double standard. He's also a Coptic Christian who -- and they've been persecuted in Egypt recently, and you've heard nothing from this administration.

DAVID WEBB, GUEST CO-HOST: Trying to get Muslims to go against radical Muslims, let's face it, they're going to get killed, they're going to get Fatwas.

How ridiculous is it that he was safer in prison when he shouldn't have been in prison? You know, it's like, I guess we should thank the administration for putting him in jail, because he was safe from the Fatwas, maybe not the others.

The ridiculous part of this is Greg is right. This was used to get to advance a political agenda to keep this off the front pages in the right way, which was a cover-up, so that Obama could get reelected and it works. It was part of the calculus. The sad part, while he is shady, he paid a price he should never have paid, and what's he going to do about it. I don't know, maybe George Clooney --

GUTFELD: Matt Damon --

PERINO: Demi Moore --


GUTFELD: No one is going to make the movie about him. If he had made a movie that was critical of Christians or atheists --

PERINO: Of Romney.

GUTFELD: -- yes, Susan Sarandon, would be championing him, would be at the prison cell right now. It speaks to the cowardice of the so-called Hollywood renegade. There are no Oliver Stones, there were no Sean Penns that showed up there because he was guilty -- he was guilty of not being cool.

He expressed criticism of an intolerant movement, so he became the target. If the film was about American backlash toward Muslims, he'd be winning awards at Sundance and hot tubbing with Robert --


WEBB: He went after the protective class, though.

BECKEL: And Greg said, the reason that these so-called moderate Muslims won't speak up, clerics are afraid to speak up on a Friday sermon because they're worried they're going to get a fatwa on them. It looks to me like 10 percent of a culture is controlling the rest of them by fear.

TANTAROS: That's assuming that only 10 percent believe radical --


BECKEL: Whatever the percentage it is. But I mean, it's a minority.

TANTAROS: He's considered -- I mean, he's a Coptic Christian. But you make a great point, Bob. These Muslim clerics are considered worse if they speak out, because that will be perceived that they're turning on the Muslim faith. They are the apposite, not the infidel.

What I find to be the worst part about this, people aren't going to want to make any videos or educate anybody about the dangers of Islam now because they're afraid they're going to be thrown in jail or they're going to get prosecuted. Look at the cartoon about Muhammad.

WEBB: They're going to get used by the establishment on the left as needed when it's time to use them. And when it's done, they're thrown away. This guy is not going to get a YouTube video. He's not going to get a front page headline. He is going to get a page B-18 --

BECKEL: I have an idea about this. Every time the Muslims take a Coptic church, a Christian church out, we don't allow them to build a mosque here. The next mosque online, no. If you take out a Coptic Christian church, no.

I mean, one for one. If that's the way you want to play the game. But we're allowed to practice our religion whether we're here or in the holy land, which is what you control, a lot of it.

And so, the idea that you go and burn Coptic churches and kill children -- I mean, what is that all about? Is that what the prophet was about? That's probably going to get me a fatwa, but fatwa this.

PERINO: How do you follow that. I was going to mention now we have criminal charges that are going to be filed against somebody who's not even here. OK, we have that.

The other thing, though, is the terrorists who created and continued to populate with content Inspire magazine, this is the one where you learn to make bombs, what the bomber up in Boston was looking about.

I don't understand -- one of the things that they could do anonymously if you are a Muslim that cares, as Nakoula says that there are people out there, I do think there are, especially in governments that don't want instability, why don't they take that Web site down? Why don't they block it?

There ought to be a way to stop the spread of that misinformation rather than focusing on a guy who made a video, who is in jail for a year.

TANTAROS: And everything that you hear him say is truthful about radical Islam. It is something you don't even hear from the administration.

Just eight weeks ago, President Obama stood before the country and said we are not at war with radical Islam, there is no war on terror, Al Qaeda is on the run.

And now, Greg, the Al Qaeda leader Zawahiri is said to have ordered terror attacks. So, if Al Qaeda is on the run, how was he able to be calling and ordering terror attacks? And does this administration owe us a bit of an answer now since they've been telling us we're not at war with Islam?

GUTFELD: I don't know. All I know is there's a solution to all of this, and it rhymes with fracking, you know? It really is. You know, we shouldn't be relying on this part of the world anymore. If just make our own fuel -- goodbye, crazy village.

Good to see -- we have to drive by. It's like that crazy house in the block. You just go see you later, death cult. You know, these are like weeds that grow in neglected places, when they show up around you, pull them.

But the lesson is the United States needs (INAUDIBLE) and we need to have our own fuel to ensure our own safety, then we don't have to deal with it.

BECKEL: Has anybody heard one leader of Muslim country that stood up to the United States in the course of the terror attacks? Can anybody remember?

TANTAROS: There are none.

PERINO: In the wake of 9/11, there were.

BECKEL: There were?

PERINO: I can't think of their names.

GUTFELD: There was Epcot Center in Florida I believe stood up for us.

PERINO: David, is --

WEBB: But look right across the river in Jersey City from 9/11 as the towers were coming down, there were people dancing on rooftops. So, it's not just the Muslim world, it's what happens in this country.

PERINO: David, like there's radicals here, you can find radicals in any movement. There's a lot of them, not enough moderates speak out against them. But I don't -- if every Muslim was a radical, the world would be a real different place.

TANTAROS: I think that's understating us. They have been fighting us since the days of Benjamin Franklin, David. This is bigger than oil. This is bigger than everything else.

They want to kill us. They're not going to stop until everybody in this country is a Muslim or is ruled by Muslims, no matter how nice we are.

And they're radicalizing younger and younger.

BECKEL: Say caliphate.

TANTAROS: They want a caliphate.

WEBB: They want a caliphate, but here's what we have to realize. There have been movements all along the way, going back to '39 when Hitler partnered with the mufti of Jerusalem, and they formed the brigade, the first Muslim brigade.

Does anybody know the salute in Iran looks close to the Nazi salute? Think about how the modern charge started, then you get the Muslim Brotherhood.

This is a militancy and the militancy does not want to stay with borders. They want that caliphate. They have different strategies. They have urban strategy. They have the terrorist strategy. They have political strategy.

They have a Council on American Islamic Relations. They have influence in the White House. They have influence in White Houses along the way. They have a strategy to win.

And by the way, here is a number that should scare you. If only 10 percent of Muslims worldwide are radicalized, it is the largest standing army in the globe's history.

BECKEL: Is that right? Hitler and the -- who? The mufti --

WEBB: The mufti of Jerusalem, 1939, they formed a Muslim brigade.

TANTAROS: A Pew study that polled Americans here in this country and their feelings toward radical Islam and they're more sympathetic than you think.

Dana, can I ask about the White House's reaction to these terror threats? They have come out and they've said now that the core of al Qaeda has been decimated. They have been telling us basically we're not at war with Islam for a really long time.

How do they message this at this point when they had --

PERINO: I think the most important thing for them is to do the right thing whatever it is operationally to get it done, worry about the politics later. They have a political problem.

The thing is, they don't think they do. They don't care. It doesn't matter to them. But the most important thing they can do is not worry about the politics or the PR hopefully. But it is interesting that tonight President Obama will be on the Jay Leno show and low and behold, there's an arrest in Benghazi. That's remarkable.

BECKEL: I know we have to go. Al Qaeda, they all kept off cell phones, remember that, because they were getting knocked off. I think it's a little unusual all of a sudden we're picking up all this traffic.

PERINO: You don't know they were completely off cell phones.

BECKEL: We don't?

WEBB: They're using Obama phones, whatever they were using.

TANTAROS: Former CIA agent said they know how we detect their chatter.


PERINO: Chatter can be in lots of different ways, and that's why the metadata story on the NSA, it's not just about phone numbers, it is lots of different ways to communicate.

BECKEL: I think they're messing with our head.

TANTAROS: Me, too.

WEBB: They're probing us. This is something they do, they morph and they probe us. Our response tells what the next thing is and they don't repeat the strategy.

PERINO: I don't know. I would take it seriously.

BECKEL: You have to take it seriously, but I think they're messing with our heads.

PERINO: That's the point of terrorism.

TANTAROS: You just wear the Jersey. You don't have to be part of a cell.

PERINO: They've made us scared.

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